The Megyn Kelly Show - Disgusting Media Lies About Florida Curriculum, and Harms of Trans Extremism, with Oli London, Charles C.W. Cooke and William Allen

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:41.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.700 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.240 Oh, we have the perfect show today.

00:00:47.180 A mix of breaking political news and an in-depth interview

00:00:50.540 with a fascinating individual

00:00:52.580 and somebody who I love following on Twitter.

00:00:54.860 Later I'm going to meet, and hopefully you will meet,

00:00:58.080 if not for the first time,

00:01:00.000 then for me the first time,

00:01:01.300 Ali London.

00:01:02.420 You hear me say his name often on this show

00:01:04.900 because this guy has been an absolute leader

00:01:07.560 in the fight against the trans-extremist ideology

00:01:10.400 in our culture.

00:01:11.240 And it comes to him honestly

00:01:14.360 because he is somebody who tried to transition

00:01:17.680 into being a trans woman

00:01:20.840 only to realize he'd been sold a bill of goods,

00:01:25.280 that this was nonsense.

00:01:27.020 He found faith.

00:01:28.260 He rejected the surgeries on that front

00:01:30.460 and now has made it his mission

00:01:32.680 to stop others from going down that lane

00:01:34.960 without eyes wide open.

00:01:36.960 It's an interview you don't want to miss.

00:01:38.760 But we begin today with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis,

00:01:41.300 who remains under crazy intense fire right now.

00:01:45.420 My God, can you open up the internet

00:01:47.660 without seeing this controversy?

00:01:49.620 Democrat politicians,

00:01:51.460 even some fellow Republicans,

00:01:53.380 the NAACP,

00:01:55.120 the Teachers Union,

00:01:56.420 Randy Weingarten,

00:01:57.640 Legacy Media,

00:01:58.780 all accusing him of whitewashing history

00:02:01.920 regarding Florida's new curriculum

00:02:04.600 on African-American history

00:02:06.600 and slavery in America.

00:02:08.740 But Dr. William B. Allen

00:02:10.520 calls these accusations categorically false.

00:02:13.920 And he should know

00:02:14.920 since he helped develop it

00:02:16.260 as a member of Florida's

00:02:17.880 African-American History Standards Work Group.

00:02:21.200 Dr. Allen is a former chairman

00:02:22.360 of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights,

00:02:24.220 a professor emeritus

00:02:25.100 at Michigan State University,

00:02:27.100 an editor of the book,

00:02:28.680 The State of Black America.

00:02:31.300 And he joins me now.

00:02:32.320 Dr. Allen, thank you so much for being here.

00:02:34.920 We appreciate it.

00:02:36.420 Let me just ask you first

00:02:37.680 your reaction to the intense backlash

00:02:40.140 you've seen

00:02:41.040 after your 13-person group.

00:02:43.800 I understand it's, I think,

00:02:45.180 six minorities,

00:02:46.540 six whites,

00:02:47.480 one unknown.

00:02:48.460 That's what we were told

00:02:49.220 on the racial makeup.

00:02:50.820 But a diverse group of professionals

00:02:52.820 gets together

00:02:53.640 to come up with this thoughtful curriculum.

00:02:56.500 And it's to the point

00:02:57.840 where you have the vice president

00:02:59.200 of the United States

00:03:00.200 making an emergency trip

00:03:01.600 down to Jacksonville, Florida

00:03:02.960 to condemn it.

00:03:05.140 My reaction was incredulousness.

00:03:08.540 The very idea

00:03:09.800 that the sentence

00:03:11.800 that was being quoted

00:03:13.080 refutes the charge

00:03:14.940 being made against it

00:03:16.180 should make it unnecessary

00:03:17.460 for anyone to have to speak out about it.

00:03:19.820 Grammar,

00:03:20.580 for people of basic literacy,

00:03:22.580 sufficiently refutes the charge.

00:03:24.580 So it was incredulous.

00:03:25.380 I was incredulous.

00:03:26.740 I couldn't believe.

00:03:27.760 But then I came to understand

00:03:29.080 this really had nothing to do

00:03:30.780 with the standards.

00:03:32.280 It has everything to do

00:03:33.720 with the larger agenda,

00:03:35.140 starting with the teachers' union

00:03:36.820 and their allies.

00:03:38.460 And, of course,

00:03:39.220 carrying it to the level

00:03:40.200 of the vice presidency

00:03:41.020 in order to give it heft.

00:03:43.280 So this agenda

00:03:44.640 is to prove,

00:03:46.380 not just to affect

00:03:47.760 the teaching

00:03:48.300 of African-American history,

00:03:50.040 but to continue

00:03:51.500 to impose

00:03:52.680 a mantle

00:03:53.920 on the entire country

00:03:55.940 that accounts

00:03:57.400 for slavery

00:03:58.280 as the soul

00:03:59.460 of America

00:04:00.240 and discounts

00:04:02.040 the accomplishments

00:04:03.240 of America.

00:04:04.340 That's what it's about.

00:04:05.760 So I was incredulous.

00:04:07.820 I spoke up,

00:04:08.880 of course,

00:04:09.200 immediately

00:04:09.720 because,

00:04:10.820 as you rightly cited,

00:04:12.520 it is categorically

00:04:13.900 false to say

00:04:14.940 that we adopted,

00:04:17.260 embraced

00:04:17.900 the positive,

00:04:18.720 good school

00:04:19.160 of slavery.

00:04:20.700 Nothing could be

00:04:21.460 further from the truth.

00:04:22.620 But that was the allegation,

00:04:24.780 as if we were

00:04:25.320 John C. Calhoun

00:04:26.320 and Roger B. Tani.

00:04:28.420 It was absolutely false.

00:04:30.540 And just so we get

00:04:31.820 the audience up to speed,

00:04:33.380 the agenda

00:04:34.720 for students

00:04:36.200 learning history

00:04:37.000 in Florida,

00:04:38.160 including about slavery,

00:04:39.860 mentioned slavery,

00:04:41.280 repeatedly talks,

00:04:42.480 you know,

00:04:43.020 it requires

00:04:43.740 that the horrors

00:04:44.540 of slavery

00:04:45.060 are fully explored

00:04:46.720 and taught.

00:04:47.600 The thing that has caught

00:04:48.960 the attention

00:04:49.520 of the political left

00:04:50.660 is one line

00:04:52.160 I'll read

00:04:53.280 the preceding part

00:04:54.620 and then I'll read

00:04:55.440 what's caused

00:04:56.940 the controversy.

00:04:58.320 It reads,

00:04:59.200 this is SS.68.AA2.3.

00:05:02.640 Examine the various

00:05:03.500 duties and trades

00:05:04.440 performed by slaves,

00:05:06.160 e.g. agricultural work,

00:05:07.600 painting,

00:05:08.020 carpentry,

00:05:08.520 tailoring,

00:05:09.020 domestic service,

00:05:09.800 blacksmithing,

00:05:10.420 transportation.

00:05:11.460 Not controversial.

00:05:13.020 Then what is added

00:05:13.800 as a clarification

00:05:14.460 is instruction includes

00:05:16.160 how slaves develop

00:05:17.600 skills,

00:05:18.580 which in some instances

00:05:19.500 could be applied

00:05:20.540 for their personal benefit.

00:05:21.760 Now that seems

00:05:22.980 a truism.

00:05:24.120 That doesn't seem

00:05:25.260 to me at all

00:05:25.820 controversial.

00:05:27.140 I remember taking

00:05:28.280 a very interesting,

00:05:31.640 it was a book class

00:05:32.740 on like an extracurricular

00:05:35.160 sort of book club

00:05:36.420 at my children's school

00:05:38.080 in New York City,

00:05:39.140 a very woke,

00:05:40.300 private,

00:05:40.880 left-wing school.

00:05:42.600 And we were talking

00:05:44.100 about African-American history

00:05:45.200 and they,

00:05:46.280 the African-American people

00:05:47.320 in the group

00:05:47.940 thought it was very important

00:05:48.920 to make sure

00:05:49.480 that we talked

00:05:50.700 about the accomplishments

00:05:51.560 of black people

00:05:53.240 in America's history,

00:05:54.580 including and especially

00:05:55.620 during the time of slavery

00:05:56.820 as a testament

00:05:57.820 to their spirits,

00:05:58.900 as a testament,

00:05:59.600 right,

00:06:00.000 to their resilience.

00:06:01.180 So when I saw this,

00:06:02.360 I said,

00:06:02.820 I get it.

00:06:03.400 I see exactly

00:06:03.880 what they're doing.

00:06:04.980 And that was the left

00:06:06.180 saying that.

00:06:07.300 But now it's a very

00:06:08.580 different message

00:06:09.200 and just to give people

00:06:10.540 a flavor,

00:06:11.560 here is the vice president

00:06:13.400 of the United States

00:06:14.700 criticizing this line.

00:06:16.740 extremists pass book bans

00:06:21.200 to prevent them

00:06:22.720 from learning

00:06:23.420 our true history.

00:06:24.800 They push forward

00:06:26.420 revisionist history.

00:06:27.960 They decided

00:06:29.100 middle school students

00:06:30.420 will be taught

00:06:31.360 that enslaved people

00:06:32.840 benefited from slavery.

00:06:37.060 They insult us

00:06:38.880 in an attempt

00:06:39.720 to gaslight us

00:06:40.860 and we will not

00:06:41.900 stand for it.

00:06:43.320 They want to replace

00:06:44.840 history with lies.

00:06:46.740 They dare to push

00:06:48.200 propaganda

00:06:49.280 to our children.

00:06:52.280 This is the United States

00:06:53.560 of America.

00:06:54.380 We're not supposed

00:06:55.160 to do that.

00:06:56.500 Let us not be

00:06:57.340 distracted

00:06:58.240 by what they're

00:07:00.440 trying to do,

00:07:01.880 which is to create

00:07:03.200 unnecessary debates

00:07:05.480 to divide

00:07:06.480 our country.

00:07:09.200 How do you respond

00:07:10.400 to the charge

00:07:10.900 you want to replace

00:07:11.680 history with lies?

00:07:14.120 Let me first make

00:07:14.960 an observation

00:07:15.520 that helps us

00:07:16.200 think through this.

00:07:17.520 We know the vice

00:07:18.320 president well

00:07:19.020 and we know

00:07:20.080 that when she speaks

00:07:20.880 spontaneously,

00:07:21.620 she has an

00:07:23.700 unavoidable cackle.

00:07:26.120 But when she's

00:07:27.060 speaking from a script,

00:07:28.540 she's very grave

00:07:29.760 and very serious.

00:07:31.440 So we know

00:07:32.180 she's following

00:07:32.640 a script here.

00:07:33.900 And the script

00:07:35.020 is that she

00:07:36.400 has to reject

00:07:38.060 what is common

00:07:39.280 sense

00:07:39.860 in the name

00:07:41.240 of an ideological

00:07:42.000 agenda.

00:07:42.580 It's as simple

00:07:43.820 as that.

00:07:44.900 So my reaction

00:07:45.860 is straightforward

00:07:47.020 and I think

00:07:47.500 this would be

00:07:47.820 true of anyone

00:07:48.300 who participated

00:07:48.960 in this process,

00:07:50.520 namely,

00:07:51.760 that Booker T.

00:07:52.760 Washington

00:07:53.180 titled his

00:07:54.440 autobiography

00:07:55.220 Up From Slavery.

00:07:57.620 That's his story,

00:07:58.640 not our story.

00:07:59.580 He told it.

00:08:01.180 Frederick Douglass

00:08:02.060 told the story

00:08:02.900 of the mistress

00:08:04.320 of his slave master

00:08:05.400 teaching him to read,

00:08:06.700 beginning that

00:08:07.380 until she was shut

00:08:08.180 down by the slave master.

00:08:09.420 She pulled back

00:08:11.100 the curtain

00:08:11.540 just a bit

00:08:12.500 so a beam

00:08:13.540 of light

00:08:14.080 shone through.

00:08:15.580 And that was enough

00:08:16.440 for him to take

00:08:17.120 that beam

00:08:17.800 and turn it

00:08:19.140 through his own

00:08:19.880 efforts into

00:08:20.620 a flame of illumination

00:08:22.040 that benefited him

00:08:23.040 and his country.

00:08:25.060 And these stories

00:08:26.600 are legends.

00:08:28.100 The people who

00:08:28.740 lived the histories

00:08:29.980 told the stories.

00:08:32.140 The curriculum

00:08:32.900 is about allowing

00:08:33.860 the people who

00:08:34.580 lived the histories

00:08:35.360 to speak

00:08:36.020 in their own names

00:08:37.440 for themselves

00:08:38.720 to tell their

00:08:39.560 own stories.

00:08:41.440 Lying?

00:08:42.080 No.

00:08:42.860 The lie is that

00:08:43.820 we should make up

00:08:44.940 a story about them

00:08:46.260 rather than listening

00:08:47.760 to the stories

00:08:48.480 they told

00:08:49.280 on their own authority.

00:08:52.480 Well said.

00:08:53.840 The reaction,

00:08:55.340 though,

00:08:55.500 is so over the top.

00:08:57.340 I've got to stay

00:08:57.940 on it for a minute.

00:08:59.800 Here is

00:09:00.860 the state's

00:09:02.460 largest teachers

00:09:03.460 union in Florida,

00:09:04.780 the Florida

00:09:05.140 Education Association,

00:09:06.260 calling this a disservice

00:09:07.900 and a big step

00:09:09.200 backward.

00:09:10.600 Evidently,

00:09:11.240 quote,

00:09:11.920 in an attempt

00:09:12.460 to protect students

00:09:13.520 from wokeness,

00:09:14.540 these new standards

00:09:15.380 will make sure

00:09:16.360 that through the

00:09:17.320 fourth grade,

00:09:18.400 elementary school

00:09:19.060 students' knowledge

00:09:19.760 of African-American

00:09:20.460 history does not

00:09:21.880 extend beyond

00:09:22.780 being able to know

00:09:24.040 who a famous

00:09:24.900 African-American

00:09:25.800 is when they

00:09:27.120 see them.

00:09:28.680 That's the

00:09:29.480 teachers union

00:09:30.700 saying you're

00:09:31.940 trying to reduce

00:09:32.940 knowledge

00:09:34.020 history

00:09:35.440 and African-Americans

00:09:36.340 to,

00:09:37.200 oh,

00:09:37.380 there's LeBron James.

00:09:38.280 Cool.

00:09:39.240 This is,

00:09:40.360 of all the dishonest

00:09:41.380 statements,

00:09:41.960 doctor,

00:09:42.280 this has got to be

00:09:43.100 at the top of the list.

00:09:44.800 You know it is

00:09:45.680 because,

00:09:46.300 look,

00:09:46.900 the African-American

00:09:47.980 history work group

00:09:49.100 deliberated in public.

00:09:52.020 The sessions

00:09:52.460 were open

00:09:53.060 to the public.

00:09:54.240 It was widely

00:09:54.960 disseminated.

00:09:56.360 The teachers union

00:09:57.220 was invited

00:09:58.400 to attend,

00:09:59.560 to listen,

00:10:00.260 and to contribute.

00:10:01.460 they remained

00:10:03.840 silent

00:10:04.480 through the

00:10:05.220 entire process,

00:10:06.460 contributed

00:10:06.900 zero,

00:10:08.460 zero,

00:10:10.340 until it was

00:10:10.960 all done

00:10:11.760 and then

00:10:13.040 surfaced

00:10:13.680 like snakes

00:10:14.540 in the grass

00:10:15.320 to take pot shots.

00:10:17.100 Now,

00:10:17.520 tell me that

00:10:18.020 that's not

00:10:18.400 a deliberate

00:10:18.840 design.

00:10:21.060 Oh,

00:10:21.300 my goodness.

00:10:22.160 I didn't know

00:10:22.780 that.

00:10:23.600 Did they bother

00:10:24.220 to show up

00:10:25.060 or did they

00:10:26.160 blow the whole

00:10:27.080 thing off?

00:10:28.040 They blew it

00:10:29.100 off to all

00:10:30.120 practical purposes,

00:10:31.100 one person

00:10:32.040 who had

00:10:32.920 some affiliation

00:10:33.840 attended

00:10:34.480 some of the

00:10:35.440 sessions,

00:10:36.020 but largely

00:10:36.900 the sessions

00:10:37.660 were empty,

00:10:39.040 devoid of

00:10:39.680 any presence

00:10:40.400 from the

00:10:40.720 teachers union,

00:10:41.440 whether online

00:10:42.140 or in person.

00:10:44.180 Oh,

00:10:44.280 that's stunning,

00:10:45.520 but I guess

00:10:45.920 nothing is.

00:10:47.120 Randy Weingarten

00:10:47.820 weighs in

00:10:48.440 calling this

00:10:49.340 disgusting

00:10:50.220 and calling

00:10:51.700 this a

00:10:52.920 grievously

00:10:53.740 racist

00:10:54.660 notion

00:10:55.380 that you've

00:10:56.420 gotten behind.

00:10:57.340 So that's

00:10:57.780 for those

00:10:59.060 keeping track

00:10:59.620 at home,

00:11:00.100 a white

00:11:00.440 woman

00:11:00.820 calling you

00:11:01.640 a black

00:11:01.980 man,

00:11:02.320 a grievous

00:11:02.740 racist,

00:11:03.740 pushing

00:11:05.040 grievously

00:11:05.560 racist

00:11:06.000 notions

00:11:06.500 about

00:11:06.820 slavery.

00:11:08.500 You know,

00:11:08.900 they're sort

00:11:09.660 of losing

00:11:10.000 touch with

00:11:10.660 reality.

00:11:11.960 Here's a

00:11:12.260 couple of

00:11:12.620 more examples.

00:11:13.740 Politician

00:11:14.280 Representative

00:11:15.040 Eric Swalwell

00:11:15.880 says this

00:11:16.940 proves that

00:11:17.560 Ron DeSantis

00:11:18.320 is pro-slavery.

00:11:20.780 Pro-slavery.

00:11:21.640 And CNN

00:11:25.540 commentator

00:11:26.360 Ashley Allison

00:11:27.320 says,

00:11:28.420 in Florida

00:11:28.900 you have

00:11:29.340 a governor

00:11:29.800 who wants

00:11:30.660 to ban

00:11:31.340 Rosa Parks.

00:11:33.120 I mean,

00:11:33.640 can you

00:11:34.080 believe this?

00:11:36.460 And of

00:11:37.020 course,

00:11:37.260 Rosa Parks

00:11:37.700 is written

00:11:38.100 into the

00:11:38.540 curriculum

00:11:38.840 standards

00:11:39.360 as so

00:11:39.720 many other

00:11:40.080 things are.

00:11:41.060 But here's

00:11:41.460 another way

00:11:41.840 to think

00:11:42.160 about this.

00:11:43.500 This is

00:11:43.940 my story.

00:11:45.440 Not just

00:11:46.200 the story

00:11:46.560 of Booker

00:11:46.940 T.

00:11:47.180 Washington,

00:11:48.120 Ida B.

00:11:49.220 Wells,

00:11:49.940 Frederick

00:11:50.320 Douglas,

00:11:50.840 William Wells

00:11:51.640 Brown,

00:11:52.300 and so

00:11:52.660 many figures

00:11:53.320 whose

00:11:53.680 documented

00:11:54.520 histories

00:11:55.040 we have

00:11:55.720 and we're

00:11:56.120 sharing

00:11:56.440 with students.

00:11:57.420 But it's

00:11:57.760 my story

00:11:58.460 and many

00:11:58.760 other people's

00:11:59.420 story.

00:11:59.660 My great

00:12:00.020 grandfather

00:12:00.640 was lured

00:12:01.720 to this

00:12:02.120 country

00:12:02.380 under

00:12:02.600 fraudulent

00:12:03.200 pretext

00:12:03.920 only to

00:12:04.840 discover

00:12:05.280 towards the

00:12:05.760 end of

00:12:05.940 the 1850s

00:12:06.660 when he

00:12:06.900 arrived

00:12:07.300 that he

00:12:07.800 was another

00:12:08.220 slave.

00:12:09.180 But he

00:12:09.480 had the

00:12:09.800 pluck

00:12:10.140 to seek

00:12:10.900 out

00:12:11.080 opportunity

00:12:11.640 and while

00:12:12.480 being

00:12:12.740 seduced

00:12:13.240 by falsehoods

00:12:14.300 he nevertheless

00:12:14.980 made the

00:12:15.600 commitment

00:12:16.000 to build

00:12:16.800 his family's

00:12:17.540 life in

00:12:17.920 this country.

00:12:19.360 That

00:12:19.840 characteristic

00:12:20.560 that pluck

00:12:21.940 that initiative

00:12:22.780 the resourcefulness

00:12:24.140 was not

00:12:25.480 suffocated

00:12:26.220 by slavery.

00:12:28.220 That's my

00:12:28.880 story.

00:12:29.760 The family

00:12:30.500 that he

00:12:31.000 engendered

00:12:31.760 was a family

00:12:32.460 that indeed

00:12:33.540 became accomplished

00:12:34.740 in many ways

00:12:35.880 and he

00:12:37.160 himself.

00:12:38.480 So that

00:12:38.800 no matter how

00:12:39.960 you look at it

00:12:40.500 whether you're

00:12:40.940 looking at stories

00:12:41.580 large or stories

00:12:43.100 small

00:12:43.740 the reality

00:12:45.080 is the truth

00:12:46.160 is in the stories

00:12:47.480 that the people

00:12:48.040 who live the stories

00:12:49.480 will tell

00:12:50.180 and we

00:12:51.220 have asked

00:12:51.740 that children

00:12:52.440 be taught

00:12:53.900 those stories

00:12:55.380 and not

00:12:56.040 somebody's

00:12:56.600 interpretation

00:12:57.080 of them.

00:12:58.880 And so

00:12:59.120 just to

00:12:59.520 bottom line

00:13:00.020 it for

00:13:00.320 people at

00:13:00.760 home

00:13:01.000 what are

00:13:01.400 you hoping

00:13:01.840 the children

00:13:02.260 take away

00:13:02.940 after having

00:13:03.940 learned of

00:13:04.480 the atrocities

00:13:05.180 of slavery

00:13:05.740 and then

00:13:06.780 this other

00:13:07.260 piece of it

00:13:07.920 the resilience

00:13:08.600 of some

00:13:09.920 of those

00:13:10.340 who were

00:13:10.600 put through

00:13:10.980 it?

00:13:12.640 That's

00:13:13.100 exactly what

00:13:13.700 we want

00:13:14.060 them to

00:13:14.300 take away

00:13:14.760 that they

00:13:15.300 can be

00:13:16.100 proud

00:13:16.720 that they

00:13:18.260 are either

00:13:19.440 themselves

00:13:20.060 as descendants

00:13:21.000 or as

00:13:21.660 fellow citizens

00:13:22.700 heirs to

00:13:24.040 a tradition

00:13:24.620 which was

00:13:25.380 described by

00:13:26.140 Frederick Douglass

00:13:26.860 and Ida B.

00:13:27.460 Wells in

00:13:27.800 1893

00:13:28.620 as representing

00:13:29.960 not only the

00:13:30.880 accomplishments of

00:13:31.720 American blacks

00:13:33.000 post-slavery

00:13:33.860 but the

00:13:34.800 accomplishments of

00:13:35.600 American principles.

00:13:37.380 That's what we

00:13:38.160 want the students

00:13:38.840 to learn.

00:13:39.380 The

00:13:42.220 criticism I

00:13:44.640 must point

00:13:45.040 out did

00:13:45.640 not only

00:13:46.160 come from

00:13:46.720 the left

00:13:47.160 and I

00:13:47.620 agree that's

00:13:48.320 agenda driven

00:13:48.920 some from

00:13:49.920 the right

00:13:50.360 including in

00:13:51.080 particular

00:13:51.500 a Republican

00:13:54.140 candidate for

00:13:55.020 president who

00:13:55.700 is not very

00:13:56.200 well known

00:13:56.720 former congressman

00:13:57.460 named Will

00:13:57.840 Hurd who

00:13:58.680 happens to

00:13:59.060 be black.

00:14:00.020 Now this

00:14:00.280 person too

00:14:00.800 has political

00:14:01.360 reasons to

00:14:01.900 be taking

00:14:02.260 shots at

00:14:03.320 Ron DeSantis

00:14:04.080 but I'll

00:14:04.620 play you a

00:14:05.040 little bit

00:14:05.380 of what he

00:14:06.240 said on

00:14:06.960 CNN

00:14:07.440 another

00:14:08.040 critic of

00:14:08.600 it

00:14:08.760 yesterday.

00:14:10.460 There was

00:14:11.320 no upside

00:14:12.300 to slavery.

00:14:13.720 Slavery

00:14:14.160 was not a

00:14:15.040 jobs program.

00:14:16.180 Ron DeSantis

00:14:17.180 just showed

00:14:17.780 his lack

00:14:18.340 of leadership

00:14:18.920 by acting

00:14:19.960 like it was

00:14:20.480 somebody else's

00:14:21.320 fault.

00:14:21.700 If you're

00:14:22.060 going to

00:14:22.240 talk about

00:14:22.680 how African

00:14:23.920 Americans

00:14:24.460 despite being

00:14:25.580 treated like

00:14:26.540 like property

00:14:27.300 despite having

00:14:28.600 zero freedoms

00:14:29.720 or zero

00:14:30.880 rights that

00:14:31.760 they still

00:14:32.220 had a

00:14:32.700 tremendous

00:14:33.160 impact on

00:14:34.280 our country

00:14:34.760 if you want

00:14:35.120 to talk about

00:14:35.640 that that's

00:14:36.600 great but

00:14:37.280 to imply

00:14:38.100 that there

00:14:38.940 was an

00:14:39.220 upside

00:14:39.720 it is

00:14:40.380 unacceptable

00:14:41.040 and what

00:14:41.860 he should

00:14:42.300 have done

00:14:42.700 is say

00:14:43.720 listen that

00:14:44.580 was worded

00:14:45.620 wrong we're

00:14:46.400 going to

00:14:46.620 fix that

00:14:47.140 there is no

00:14:47.880 upside to

00:14:48.520 slavery a

00:14:49.300 real leader

00:14:49.820 would have

00:14:50.160 solved this

00:14:50.640 problem not

00:14:51.680 letting this

00:14:52.240 continue to

00:14:52.900 fester.

00:14:53.240 what's your

00:14:55.880 reaction to

00:14:56.360 listening to

00:14:56.780 him?

00:14:57.500 it's so

00:14:57.880 easy to

00:14:58.620 react to

00:14:59.420 that I've

00:15:00.660 done it

00:15:00.960 before I

00:15:01.500 mentioned it

00:15:01.960 in my

00:15:02.200 response to

00:15:02.780 the vice

00:15:03.140 president

00:15:03.580 someone who

00:15:04.900 survives an

00:15:05.600 avalanche

00:15:06.320 through resourcefulness

00:15:07.780 and intelligence

00:15:08.860 benefits from

00:15:10.620 resourcefulness and

00:15:11.660 intelligence

00:15:12.320 that person

00:15:13.820 doesn't turn

00:15:14.400 around and say

00:15:14.940 thanks to the

00:15:15.580 avalanche

00:15:16.240 just as

00:15:17.580 someone who

00:15:18.080 gains strength

00:15:19.140 after a long

00:15:20.040 period of

00:15:20.580 grief

00:15:20.980 doesn't turn

00:15:22.540 around and

00:15:23.300 say thanks for

00:15:24.140 the loss

00:15:24.800 but nevertheless

00:15:26.400 recognizes the

00:15:28.740 strength gained

00:15:29.720 recognizes

00:15:31.060 survival in an

00:15:32.860 avalanche

00:15:33.500 recognizes

00:15:34.620 overcoming

00:15:35.900 the people who

00:15:37.520 learn to say

00:15:38.360 we shall

00:15:39.600 overcome

00:15:40.320 may also learn

00:15:41.800 to say

00:15:42.320 we did

00:15:43.500 overcome

00:15:44.160 right it

00:15:46.820 could be a

00:15:47.320 source of

00:15:47.660 inspiration

00:15:48.220 I mean

00:15:49.920 there are

00:15:50.700 books out

00:15:51.180 there from

00:15:51.580 holocaust

00:15:52.140 survivors

00:15:52.580 talking about

00:15:53.380 the love

00:15:54.120 they found

00:15:54.640 in concentration

00:15:55.400 camps

00:15:55.940 I mean

00:15:56.380 you could

00:15:56.740 go down

00:15:57.020 the list

00:15:57.420 or the

00:15:57.900 what they

00:15:58.620 learned about

00:15:59.140 their own

00:15:59.840 courage

00:16:00.320 and strength

00:16:01.460 going through

00:16:01.880 that hideous

00:16:02.420 it's in no

00:16:03.440 way an

00:16:03.800 excuse

00:16:04.260 for the

00:16:05.160 horrific

00:16:05.460 conditions

00:16:06.100 that were

00:16:06.800 imposed upon

00:16:07.400 them

00:16:07.720 precisely

00:16:09.140 that is

00:16:09.900 my sense

00:16:10.500 and I

00:16:10.800 would wish

00:16:11.580 Mr.

00:16:12.060 Hurd would

00:16:12.560 pay due

00:16:13.440 attention to

00:16:14.080 his own

00:16:14.480 remarks

00:16:15.060 and recognize

00:16:16.100 that nobody's

00:16:17.460 attributing to

00:16:18.140 slavery

00:16:18.760 the positive

00:16:20.080 influences

00:16:20.800 they're attributing

00:16:21.500 to the

00:16:21.800 humanity

00:16:22.360 of people

00:16:22.900 enslaved

00:16:23.620 the strength

00:16:24.440 to survive

00:16:25.380 I don't know

00:16:27.100 if you've seen

00:16:27.500 the Tampa Bay

00:16:28.120 Times went

00:16:28.920 a layer

00:16:29.380 deeper

00:16:29.800 and said

00:16:30.880 oh well

00:16:31.440 nearly half

00:16:32.040 of the 16

00:16:32.720 historic figures

00:16:33.520 highlighted by

00:16:34.080 the state

00:16:34.440 were never

00:16:34.800 even enslaved

00:16:35.540 and they

00:16:36.960 cited

00:16:37.380 Georgetown

00:16:38.460 University

00:16:39.120 postdoctoral

00:16:40.340 fellow

00:16:41.180 Joshua

00:16:42.260 Stein

00:16:42.860 to say

00:16:44.600 that James

00:16:45.400 Fortin

00:16:45.940 and Lewis

00:16:46.520 Latimer

00:16:46.980 two of the

00:16:47.480 examples

00:16:47.920 in the

00:16:48.480 curriculum

00:16:48.880 that they

00:16:50.120 were born

00:16:50.880 into slavery

00:16:51.480 one

00:16:51.880 Latimer

00:16:52.420 was born

00:16:52.820 into slavery

00:16:53.400 in 1848

00:16:54.600 and freed

00:16:55.400 four years

00:16:56.040 later

00:16:56.380 so he was

00:16:57.000 four

00:16:57.660 when he

00:16:58.100 was freed

00:16:58.560 and said

00:16:59.580 Fortin

00:16:59.920 was a

00:17:00.220 shoemaker

00:17:00.560 born into

00:17:01.140 slavery

00:17:01.460 in 1766

00:17:02.500 who escaped

00:17:03.980 in 1784

00:17:05.160 and went on

00:17:05.700 to take issue

00:17:06.260 with whether

00:17:06.680 these folks

00:17:07.120 really did

00:17:07.580 learn their

00:17:08.000 skills

00:17:08.340 in slavery

00:17:09.180 or prior

00:17:09.840 to be

00:17:10.220 enslaved

00:17:10.720 or after

00:17:11.640 this

00:17:11.880 slavery

00:17:12.280 I mean

00:17:12.620 what do

00:17:12.900 you make

00:17:13.180 of sort

00:17:13.480 of the

00:17:13.660 piece-by-piece

00:17:14.260 dissection

00:17:14.780 now

00:17:15.160 by the

00:17:15.880 Tampa Bay

00:17:16.300 Times

00:17:16.620 and postdoctoral

00:17:18.100 fellows

00:17:18.620 on the men

00:17:19.580 that you've

00:17:20.120 chosen to

00:17:20.580 highlight

00:17:20.960 how many

00:17:22.040 angels do

00:17:22.760 dance on the

00:17:23.400 head of a

00:17:23.800 pin

00:17:24.060 that's the

00:17:25.380 kind of

00:17:25.740 argument

00:17:26.080 that's being

00:17:26.580 made

00:17:26.920 and anyone

00:17:27.560 should laugh

00:17:28.080 it out

00:17:28.340 of court

00:17:28.820 obviously

00:17:29.860 people who

00:17:30.840 were enslaved

00:17:31.300 brought skills

00:17:32.000 with them

00:17:32.520 developed skills

00:17:34.180 while enslaved

00:17:35.220 developed skills

00:17:36.560 subsequently

00:17:37.200 I like to

00:17:38.100 use the

00:17:38.440 example of

00:17:38.900 Isaac Burns

00:17:39.540 Murphy

00:17:39.940 he was only

00:17:40.900 born in

00:17:41.360 1861

00:17:42.160 and therefore

00:17:42.640 only a slave

00:17:43.380 for four or

00:17:43.880 five years

00:17:44.540 but he

00:17:45.440 became

00:17:46.100 in the years

00:17:47.540 after Liberty

00:17:48.500 a jockey

00:17:49.980 who rode

00:17:51.180 three Kentucky

00:17:51.920 Derby winners

00:17:52.760 and was the

00:17:53.820 first jockey

00:17:54.560 of all

00:17:55.040 jockeys

00:17:55.440 inducted

00:17:56.040 into the

00:17:56.360 National

00:17:56.780 Jockey

00:17:57.420 Hall of

00:17:57.900 Fame

00:17:58.260 one may

00:18:00.060 cite

00:18:00.580 Burns

00:18:01.260 Murphy

00:18:01.740 as an

00:18:02.280 example

00:18:02.720 of

00:18:02.940 accomplishment

00:18:03.540 without

00:18:04.340 regard to

00:18:05.100 the question

00:18:05.660 of whether

00:18:06.480 he were

00:18:06.860 tutored

00:18:07.500 in horse

00:18:08.720 riding

00:18:09.080 by a

00:18:09.740 slave

00:18:10.020 master

00:18:10.500 that is

00:18:11.340 not the

00:18:11.780 point

00:18:12.040 it never

00:18:12.520 was the

00:18:13.140 point

00:18:13.420 the point

00:18:14.520 is

00:18:14.780 people

00:18:15.560 demonstrated

00:18:16.420 their

00:18:16.700 capacities

00:18:17.260 and their

00:18:17.840 accomplishments

00:18:18.420 and that's

00:18:19.520 a story

00:18:19.940 that must

00:18:20.500 be told

00:18:21.200 and we

00:18:21.980 mustn't

00:18:22.300 allow

00:18:22.800 I want

00:18:23.620 to emphasize

00:18:24.060 this

00:18:24.580 we mustn't

00:18:25.620 allow

00:18:26.080 people's

00:18:27.140 stories

00:18:27.520 to be

00:18:27.980 erased

00:18:28.640 by

00:18:29.380 ideological

00:18:30.240 mantras

00:18:31.160 that's

00:18:33.900 what

00:18:34.040 Ron DeSantis

00:18:34.620 has been

00:18:35.080 saying

00:18:35.520 and been

00:18:36.260 fighting

00:18:36.860 in this

00:18:37.920 you know

00:18:38.800 in his

00:18:39.160 position

00:18:39.520 as governor

00:18:39.980 down there

00:18:40.520 and been

00:18:40.940 demonized

00:18:41.480 at every

00:18:41.760 turn

00:18:42.040 for it

00:18:42.520 can I

00:18:43.300 ask you

00:18:43.540 two things

00:18:44.040 one do

00:18:44.720 you believe

00:18:45.060 you have

00:18:45.720 his support

00:18:46.240 in this

00:18:46.720 and two

00:18:47.740 is there

00:18:48.780 any chance

00:18:49.200 you're going

00:18:49.460 to change

00:18:50.240 their curriculum

00:18:50.860 or back

00:18:51.460 down on

00:18:51.940 the wording

00:18:52.340 two things

00:18:54.080 one the

00:18:55.140 african-american

00:18:55.960 history

00:18:56.220 work group

00:18:56.600 was a

00:18:56.900 volunteer

00:18:57.260 group

00:18:57.760 whose task

00:18:58.620 was to

00:18:58.960 deliberate

00:18:59.420 and draft

00:19:00.240 we concluded

00:19:01.660 that at

00:19:02.040 the end

00:19:02.320 of April

00:19:02.760 and turned

00:19:03.900 our product

00:19:04.640 over to

00:19:05.280 the Florida

00:19:05.740 Department

00:19:06.120 of Education

00:19:06.780 we no

00:19:07.820 longer

00:19:08.120 exist

00:19:08.680 we have

00:19:09.460 nothing

00:19:09.720 more to

00:19:10.000 do

00:19:10.140 with it

00:19:10.500 I

00:19:11.240 haven't

00:19:11.500 met

00:19:11.780 governor

00:19:12.140 DeSantis

00:19:12.660 I

00:19:13.460 have had

00:19:13.760 no

00:19:13.900 direct

00:19:14.180 contact

00:19:14.640 with

00:19:15.000 him

00:19:15.180 I'm

00:19:15.840 happy

00:19:16.260 that

00:19:16.720 he

00:19:16.860 leads

00:19:17.140 a

00:19:17.320 stake

00:19:17.540 that

00:19:17.720 will

00:19:17.860 undertake

00:19:18.340 this

00:19:18.660 initiative

00:19:19.080 for

00:19:19.320 the

00:19:19.500 first

00:19:19.780 time

00:19:20.140 to

00:19:20.300 have

00:19:20.480 a

00:19:20.640 standalone

00:19:21.120 strand

00:19:21.740 in

00:19:21.940 African

00:19:22.240 American

00:19:22.700 history

00:19:23.220 but

00:19:24.260 the

00:19:24.620 question

00:19:25.020 of

00:19:25.260 what

00:19:25.440 its

00:19:25.620 fate

00:19:25.840 will

00:19:26.040 be

00:19:26.300 or

00:19:26.540 how

00:19:26.680 he

00:19:26.820 will

00:19:30.240 Florida

00:19:30.520 I

00:19:31.600 grew

00:19:32.000 up

00:19:32.160 a

00:19:32.280 Floridian

00:19:32.680 I'm

00:19:33.000 proud

00:19:33.420 of

00:19:33.820 my

00:19:34.020 past

00:19:34.480 in

00:19:34.700 Florida

00:19:35.040 but

00:19:36.100 I

00:19:36.220 don't

00:19:36.380 live

00:19:36.560 in

00:19:36.720 Florida

00:19:36.940 I

00:19:37.100 live

00:19:37.240 in

00:19:37.380 Maryland

00:19:37.740 and

00:19:38.940 I

00:19:39.220 therefore

00:19:39.520 don't

00:19:39.820 take

00:19:40.040 a

00:19:40.160 direct

00:19:40.460 hand

00:19:40.940 in

00:19:41.440 Florida

00:19:41.720 politics

00:19:42.400 and

00:19:42.800 certainly

00:19:43.120 I'm

00:19:43.340 involved

00:19:43.620 in

00:19:43.780 no

00:19:43.960 one's

00:19:44.280 campaign

00:19:44.800 and

00:19:46.880 you

00:19:47.160 would

00:19:47.760 you

00:19:47.980 want

00:19:48.440 them

00:19:48.700 to

00:19:49.000 change

00:19:49.300 anything

00:19:49.640 would

00:19:49.900 you

00:19:50.040 want

00:19:50.300 them

00:19:50.500 to

00:19:50.660 back

00:19:50.820 down

00:19:51.120 on

00:19:51.360 this

00:19:51.940 I

00:19:53.200 don't

00:19:53.420 think

00:19:53.700 anybody

00:19:54.160 could

00:19:54.660 intellectually

00:19:55.520 or

00:19:56.000 morally

00:19:56.440 justify

00:19:57.100 changing

00:19:57.860 what

00:19:58.340 has

00:19:58.560 been

00:19:58.860 established

00:19:59.540 in

00:19:59.860 this

00:20:00.100 case

00:20:00.500 for

00:20:01.040 the

00:20:01.220 clarity

00:20:01.800 is

00:20:02.700 irresistible

00:20:03.960 as

00:20:04.960 I

00:20:05.100 said

00:20:05.280 before

00:20:05.700 the

00:20:06.460 grammar

00:20:06.980 refutes

00:20:07.960 the

00:20:08.200 argument

00:20:08.700 against

00:20:09.260 it

00:20:09.540 so

00:20:10.080 one

00:20:10.280 doesn't

00:20:10.580 need

00:20:10.820 rhetoric

00:20:11.300 to

00:20:11.700 accomplish

00:20:12.080 that

00:20:12.360 purpose

00:20:12.860 wow

00:20:14.260 Dr.

00:20:15.080 William B.

00:20:15.560 Allen

00:20:15.720 thank you

00:20:16.280 so much

00:20:16.920 for

00:20:17.460 your

00:20:17.900 clarity

00:20:18.340 and for

00:20:19.020 coming on

00:20:19.500 to set

00:20:19.820 the record

00:20:20.260 straight

00:20:21.120 we

00:20:21.580 appreciate

00:20:21.960 it

00:20:22.220 you're

00:20:22.240 very

00:20:22.480 welcome

00:20:22.860 I

00:20:23.120 enjoyed

00:20:23.460 to be

00:20:23.780 with

00:20:24.000 you

00:20:24.240 likewise

00:20:25.460 wow

00:20:26.360 incredible

00:20:28.280 right

00:20:28.640 what a

00:20:29.140 great

00:20:29.380 guest

00:20:29.780 and

00:20:30.440 what

00:20:30.860 a

00:20:31.060 smart

00:20:31.660 thoughtful

00:20:32.480 person

00:20:33.000 I

00:20:33.380 want

00:20:33.920 someone

00:20:34.220 like

00:20:34.460 that

00:20:34.700 thinking

00:20:35.000 about

00:20:35.340 my

00:20:36.060 own

00:20:36.280 children's

00:20:36.760 curriculum

00:20:37.140 and

00:20:37.640 what

00:20:37.940 they

00:20:38.120 should

00:20:38.300 be

00:20:38.440 learning

00:20:38.780 after

00:20:39.840 keeping

00:20:40.460 the

00:20:40.640 doors

00:20:40.860 open

00:20:41.120 to

00:20:41.260 everybody

00:20:41.580 to

00:20:41.780 weigh

00:20:41.960 in

00:20:42.100 on

00:20:42.240 this

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00:21:50.020 vice

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00:21:51.640 nonsense

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00:21:52.840 you

00:21:52.980 hear

00:21:53.240 Dr.

00:21:54.420 I mean

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00:21:55.280 unbelievable

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00:21:57.520 yet

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00:21:58.220 won't

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00:21:59.400 left

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00:22:00.820 lies

00:22:01.180 least

00:22:01.740 of all

00:22:02.200 the

00:22:02.460 sitting

00:22:02.740 vice

00:22:03.040 president

00:22:03.500 I think

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00:22:07.440 that

00:22:08.080 the

00:22:08.840 people

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00:22:26.320 someone

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00:22:27.100 said

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00:22:28.240 governor

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00:22:28.660 Florida

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00:22:29.820 slavery

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00:22:33.760 absurd

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00:22:43.740 go to

00:22:44.340 school

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00:23:01.680 was

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00:23:01.940 monstrous

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00:23:02.800 I

00:23:03.480 think

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00:23:04.200 the

00:23:04.420 right

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00:23:06.120 III

00:23:06.440 did

00:23:06.660 not

00:23:06.840 really

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00:23:07.440 a

00:23:07.600 tyranny

00:23:07.900 I'm

00:23:08.240 glad

00:23:08.380 the

00:23:08.540 revolution

00:23:08.900 happened

00:23:09.280 the

00:23:09.520 tyranny

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00:23:10.060 the

00:23:10.160 United

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00:23:10.780 was

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00:23:11.900 segregation

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00:24:02.460 to

00:24:02.620 the

00:24:02.760 slaves

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00:24:03.340 slaves

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00:24:08.560 abundantly

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00:24:10.080 slavery

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00:24:10.940 a

00:24:11.540 moral

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00:24:14.360 and

00:24:14.980 oppression

00:24:15.520 that

00:24:16.120 slaves

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00:24:16.680 to

00:24:16.840 escape

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00:24:34.640 University

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00:24:43.020 mainstream

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00:24:46.200 reason

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00:24:47.360 Dr.

00:24:47.680 Allen

00:24:47.920 is

00:24:48.220 politics

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00:24:50.360 the

00:24:50.560 messaging

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00:24:54.500 those

00:24:54.760 in

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00:24:54.940 media

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00:24:59.860 them

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00:25:00.220 Florida

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00:25:01.140 this

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00:25:01.720 line

00:25:02.040 take

00:25:02.420 a

00:25:02.520 listen

00:25:02.700 how

00:25:04.220 dare

00:25:04.820 you

00:25:05.060 shame

00:25:05.600 on

00:25:05.880 you

00:25:06.080 people

00:25:06.460 in

00:25:06.700 Florida

00:25:06.980 how

00:25:07.260 dare

00:25:07.720 you

00:25:08.000 try

00:25:08.440 to

00:25:08.640 whitewash

00:25:09.340 slavery

00:25:10.180 this

00:25:10.580 is

00:25:10.720 happening

00:25:11.040 in

00:25:11.280 Florida

00:25:11.560 this

00:25:12.440 is

00:25:12.580 happening

00:25:12.880 in

00:25:13.080 a

00:25:13.200 Florida

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00:25:14.540 a

00:25:14.680 governor

00:25:14.960 who

00:25:15.560 has

00:25:16.100 an

00:25:16.420 anti-woke

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00:25:18.560 don't

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00:25:19.260 bill

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00:25:20.140 wants

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00:25:31.120 sisters

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00:25:45.560 and

00:25:46.140 never

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00:25:50.500 horrors

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00:25:55.000 man

00:25:55.500 Rhonda

00:25:55.900 Sanders

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00:26:00.000 lying

00:26:00.640 and

00:26:00.880 creating

00:26:01.300 culture

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00:26:03.100 going

00:26:03.300 to

00:26:03.460 make

00:26:03.720 him

00:26:03.880 president

00:26:04.280 the

00:26:06.660 dishonesty

00:26:07.220 is

00:26:07.420 stomach

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00:26:10.540 astonishing

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00:26:12.160 problems

00:26:12.720 here

00:26:13.000 the

00:26:13.240 first

00:26:13.540 one

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00:26:14.580 that

00:26:15.040 this

00:26:15.280 line

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00:26:15.740 been

00:26:15.960 extracted

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00:26:21.920 appropriate

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00:26:24.420 second

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00:26:29.780 attitude

00:26:30.280 toward

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00:26:32.560 this

00:26:32.780 sort

00:26:33.020 of

00:26:33.180 history

00:26:33.480 and

00:26:33.780 Dr.

00:26:34.180 Allen

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00:26:37.480 at

00:26:37.620 Oxford

00:26:37.920 studying

00:26:38.520 history

00:26:39.020 I

00:26:39.720 had

00:26:40.040 a

00:26:40.520 professor

00:26:40.940 who

00:26:41.500 was

00:26:41.760 a

00:26:42.280 progressive

00:26:42.660 probably

00:26:43.180 more

00:26:43.660 Marxist

00:26:44.400 you might

00:26:44.720 even

00:26:44.940 say

00:26:45.160 he

00:26:45.380 was

00:26:45.500 an

00:26:45.620 open

00:26:45.840 minded

00:26:46.080 guy

00:26:46.380 I

00:26:46.560 liked

00:26:46.800 him

00:26:46.900 a

00:26:47.020 great

00:26:47.180 deal

00:26:47.400 and

00:26:47.540 one

00:26:47.680 of

00:26:47.760 the

00:26:47.860 things

00:26:48.080 he

00:26:48.300 used

00:26:48.480 to

00:26:48.600 say

00:26:48.780 to

00:26:48.940 me

00:26:49.140 was

00:26:49.820 Abraham

00:26:50.300 Lincoln

00:26:50.740 was

00:26:50.980 not

00:26:51.180 the

00:26:51.360 only

00:26:51.600 man

00:26:51.880 with

00:26:52.040 agency

00:26:52.600 you

00:26:53.040 know

00:26:53.280 I

00:26:53.460 can

00:26:53.640 hear

00:26:54.380 him

00:26:54.560 saying

00:26:54.800 it

00:26:54.920 now

00:27:03.480 and

00:27:03.740 under

00:27:04.100 the

00:27:04.720 Holocaust

00:27:05.220 for

00:27:05.640 that

00:27:05.820 matter

00:27:06.160 were

00:27:06.620 of

00:27:06.800 course

00:27:07.020 victims

00:27:07.560 they

00:27:08.020 were

00:27:08.160 not

00:27:08.440 only

00:27:08.980 victims

00:27:09.520 that

00:27:10.520 they

00:27:10.660 were

00:27:10.800 also

00:27:11.180 people

00:27:11.700 and

00:27:12.460 that

00:27:12.600 it

00:27:12.700 does

00:27:12.880 a

00:27:13.020 great

00:27:13.260 disservice

00:27:13.800 to

00:27:14.060 treat

00:27:14.340 them

00:27:14.620 as

00:27:14.940 some

00:27:15.340 inhuman

00:27:16.380 undifferentiated

00:27:17.860 mass

00:27:18.440 of

00:27:18.880 widgets

00:27:19.400 that

00:27:20.480 of

00:27:20.820 course

00:27:21.340 this

00:27:22.260 was

00:27:22.480 a

00:27:22.700 massive

00:27:23.280 historical

00:27:23.920 disgrace

00:27:24.740 but

00:27:25.500 that

00:27:25.660 doesn't

00:27:26.240 mean

00:27:26.620 that

00:27:27.120 you

00:27:27.260 don't

00:27:27.580 tell

00:27:27.840 the

00:27:28.060 stories

00:27:28.460 of

00:27:28.640 the

00:27:28.780 people

00:27:29.140 who

00:27:29.980 lived

00:27:30.560 within

00:27:30.960 it

00:27:31.220 it

00:27:31.840 is

00:27:32.080 not

00:27:32.600 in

00:27:33.220 any

00:27:33.660 way

00:27:34.060 to

00:27:34.960 endorse

00:27:35.360 slavery

00:27:35.860 to

00:27:36.240 point

00:27:36.620 out

00:27:37.080 that

00:27:37.860 some

00:27:38.220 slaves

00:27:38.840 developed

00:27:39.360 skills

00:27:39.880 that

00:27:40.260 they

00:27:40.440 subsequently

00:27:40.940 used

00:27:41.460 for

00:27:41.820 their

00:27:42.040 own

00:27:42.220 benefit

00:27:42.540 either

00:27:42.820 to

00:27:43.080 purchase

00:27:43.640 or

00:27:44.500 achieve

00:27:44.820 their

00:27:45.040 manumission

00:27:45.600 or

00:27:46.300 after

00:27:46.700 the

00:27:46.920 civil

00:27:47.160 war

00:27:47.560 when

00:27:48.820 slavery

00:27:49.320 was

00:27:49.880 mercifully

00:27:50.800 ended

00:27:51.820 that

00:27:52.540 is a

00:27:52.860 logical

00:27:53.220 fallacy

00:27:53.800 and

00:27:54.380 in

00:27:54.560 most

00:27:55.120 other

00:27:55.400 contexts

00:27:55.880 it

00:27:56.100 would

00:27:56.220 be

00:27:56.500 self

00:27:56.940 evidently

00:27:57.540 a

00:27:57.900 logical

00:27:58.300 fallacy

00:27:58.900 for

00:27:59.140 example

00:27:59.540 our

00:28:00.300 modern

00:28:00.620 triage

00:28:01.280 procedures

00:28:01.940 that

00:28:02.360 we

00:28:02.480 use

00:28:02.660 in

00:28:02.800 hospitals

00:28:03.320 originated

00:28:04.120 from

00:28:04.520 the

00:28:04.680 crimean

00:28:05.240 war

00:28:05.600 we

00:28:06.560 made

00:28:06.820 massive

00:28:07.420 advancements

00:28:08.140 in

00:28:08.340 medical

00:28:08.780 technology

00:28:10.260 in

00:28:10.880 the

00:28:11.120 first

00:28:11.420 world

00:28:11.720 war

00:28:12.140 is

00:28:13.080 to

00:28:13.300 acknowledge

00:28:13.780 that

00:28:14.220 to

00:28:14.520 propose

00:28:14.940 that

00:28:15.140 those

00:28:15.360 two

00:28:15.580 wars

00:28:15.840 were

00:28:16.000 worthwhile

00:28:16.640 of

00:28:17.120 course

00:28:17.340 it's

00:28:17.540 not

00:28:17.780 there

00:28:17.960 was

00:28:18.040 a

00:28:18.160 piece

00:28:18.340 in

00:28:18.460 the

00:28:18.560 new

00:28:18.660 york

00:28:18.800 post

00:28:19.160 a

00:28:19.800 couple

00:28:19.980 years

00:28:20.280 ago

00:28:20.600 by

00:28:21.280 a

00:28:21.480 couple

00:28:21.780 who

00:28:22.400 met

00:28:23.000 in

00:28:23.260 a

00:28:23.380 concentration

00:28:23.820 camp

00:28:24.460 and

00:28:25.040 had

00:28:25.180 been

00:28:25.360 married

00:28:25.800 ever

00:28:26.280 since

00:28:26.760 do

00:28:28.200 we

00:28:28.480 take

00:28:29.100 from

00:28:29.320 that

00:28:29.600 that

00:28:29.820 they

00:28:29.940 are

00:28:30.080 pleased

00:28:30.500 that

00:28:30.900 they

00:28:31.060 were

00:28:31.180 put

00:28:31.400 in

00:28:31.520 a

00:28:31.640 concentration

00:28:32.100 camp

00:28:32.720 that

00:28:33.400 the

00:28:33.580 holocaust

00:28:34.060 was

00:28:34.260 a

00:28:34.400 good

00:28:34.560 thing

00:28:34.860 this

00:28:35.460 is

00:28:35.640 such

00:28:36.360 silly

00:28:36.840 anti-intellectual

00:28:38.000 demagogic

00:28:38.860 thinking

00:28:39.300 that

00:28:40.040 no one

00:28:40.520 truly

00:28:40.820 believes

00:28:41.220 least

00:28:41.660 of

00:28:41.880 all

00:28:42.080 the

00:28:42.240 people

00:28:42.580 who

00:28:42.840 I

00:28:42.980 think

00:28:43.160 quite

00:28:43.480 rightly

00:28:44.020 have

00:28:44.600 spent

00:28:44.840 a lot

00:28:45.160 of

00:28:45.360 time

00:28:46.100 within

00:28:46.580 the

00:28:47.140 history

00:28:47.580 profession

00:28:48.120 making

00:28:48.900 it

00:28:49.200 clear

00:28:49.500 that

00:28:49.820 we

00:28:50.000 ought

00:28:50.280 to

00:28:50.440 treat

00:28:50.680 humans

00:28:51.060 as

00:28:51.260 humans

00:28:51.680 and

00:28:52.320 to

00:28:52.800 ascribe

00:28:53.520 agency

00:28:54.360 to

00:28:54.740 people

00:28:55.100 even

00:28:55.500 in

00:28:55.820 the

00:28:55.960 most

00:28:56.160 difficult

00:28:56.560 and

00:28:56.720 tyrannical

00:28:57.260 of

00:28:58.100 circumstances

00:28:59.000 so

00:28:59.300 even

00:28:59.720 on

00:29:00.000 its

00:29:00.200 own

00:29:00.460 merits

00:29:01.000 the

00:29:01.480 idea

00:29:01.820 that

00:29:02.020 one

00:29:02.460 line

00:29:02.880 that

00:29:03.080 has

00:29:03.200 been

00:29:03.380 plucked

00:29:03.800 out

00:29:03.980 in

00:29:04.380 some

00:29:04.680 way

00:29:04.840 endorses

00:29:05.480 or

00:29:05.700 whitewashes

00:29:06.440 slavery

00:29:07.340 is

00:29:07.640 absolutely

00:29:08.220 ridiculous

00:29:09.080 Steve

00:29:10.620 Krakauer

00:29:11.080 our

00:29:11.340 executive

00:29:11.700 producer

00:29:12.160 told us

00:29:13.500 that

00:29:13.700 when he

00:29:14.180 was in

00:29:14.440 Hebrew

00:29:14.680 school

00:29:15.060 he

00:29:15.680 was

00:29:16.080 taught

00:29:16.520 in

00:29:16.940 Hebrew

00:29:17.200 school

00:29:17.500 that

00:29:17.740 the

00:29:18.340 Holocaust

00:29:18.700 taught

00:29:19.500 Jews

00:29:19.980 resilience

00:29:20.800 I

00:29:21.380 mean

00:29:21.860 so

00:29:22.660 the

00:29:23.300 horror

00:29:24.000 of

00:29:24.440 Eugene

00:29:24.820 Robinson

00:29:25.280 saying

00:29:25.540 you

00:29:25.660 just

00:29:25.800 never

00:29:26.040 bring

00:29:26.360 you

00:29:26.520 know

00:29:26.640 that

00:29:26.780 you

00:29:26.940 wouldn't

00:29:27.120 ever

00:29:27.420 say

00:29:27.680 something

00:29:27.960 like

00:29:28.160 well

00:29:28.440 yeah

00:29:28.740 you

00:29:29.080 might

00:29:29.580 and

00:29:30.340 these

00:29:31.240 education

00:29:32.180 standards

00:29:32.520 don't

00:29:32.780 violate

00:29:33.120 his

00:29:33.380 rule

00:29:33.840 of

00:29:34.640 comparing

00:29:35.540 slavery

00:29:36.060 to

00:29:36.320 anything

00:29:36.720 it's

00:29:37.600 an

00:29:37.780 honest

00:29:38.180 exploration

00:29:39.080 of

00:29:40.060 slavery

00:29:40.660 by

00:29:41.840 as

00:29:42.280 Dr.

00:29:42.660 Allen

00:29:42.820 pointed

00:29:43.100 out

00:29:43.320 someone

00:29:43.680 who

00:29:43.920 has

00:29:44.240 a

00:29:45.020 stake

00:29:45.300 in

00:29:45.500 this

00:29:45.840 who's

00:29:46.440 got

00:29:46.560 a

00:29:46.680 family

00:29:46.900 history

00:29:47.260 connected

00:29:47.640 to

00:29:47.880 it

00:29:48.000 who's

00:29:48.220 got

00:29:48.420 real

00:29:48.760 reason

00:29:49.120 and

00:29:49.280 making

00:29:49.460 sure

00:29:49.680 the

00:29:49.840 truth

00:29:50.080 is

00:29:50.240 taught

00:29:50.660 when

00:29:51.720 my

00:29:52.000 kids

00:29:52.260 were

00:29:52.440 at

00:29:52.720 their

00:29:53.000 again

00:29:53.680 far

00:29:56.360 I

00:29:57.020 complained

00:29:57.660 Charles

00:29:58.140 that

00:29:58.740 my

00:29:59.100 son

00:29:59.680 my

00:30:00.060 eldest

00:30:00.480 but

00:30:01.000 at

00:30:01.360 the

00:30:01.500 time

00:30:01.760 he

00:30:01.900 was

00:30:02.080 in

00:30:02.240 like

00:30:02.440 second

00:30:02.780 or

00:30:02.920 third

00:30:03.020 grade

00:30:03.240 came

00:30:03.520 home

00:30:03.840 they

00:30:04.380 were

00:30:04.500 studying

00:30:04.760 the

00:30:04.920 American

00:30:05.200 revolution

00:30:05.740 and

00:30:06.460 he

00:30:06.620 could

00:30:06.800 tell

00:30:07.040 me

00:30:07.280 12

00:30:07.940 slaves

00:30:08.580 who

00:30:09.060 made

00:30:09.280 a

00:30:09.440 meaningful

00:30:09.840 difference

00:30:10.380 in

00:30:10.600 the

00:30:10.700 American

00:30:10.980 revolution

00:30:11.480 but

00:30:12.060 he

00:30:12.240 didn't

00:30:12.900 they

00:30:13.220 didn't

00:30:13.420 hear

00:30:13.560 anything

00:30:13.840 about

00:30:14.080 General

00:30:14.340 George

00:30:14.600 Washington

00:30:15.020 so

00:30:16.520 they

00:30:17.220 they

00:30:17.560 bent

00:30:17.900 over

00:30:18.120 backwards

00:30:18.680 in

00:30:18.860 these

00:30:19.020 liberal

00:30:19.440 woke

00:30:19.840 schools

00:30:20.400 to

00:30:20.860 tell

00:30:21.060 you

00:30:21.220 all

00:30:21.480 the

00:30:21.620 great

00:30:21.880 things

00:30:22.160 the

00:30:22.320 slaves

00:30:22.640 are

00:30:22.780 managing

00:30:23.080 to

00:30:23.300 doing

00:30:23.580 during

00:30:24.220 slavery

00:30:24.700 but

00:30:25.420 once

00:30:25.900 it

00:30:26.040 comes

00:30:26.300 out

00:30:26.620 of

00:30:26.820 Florida

00:30:27.560 which

00:30:28.160 happens

00:30:28.420 to

00:30:28.580 have

00:30:28.740 Ron

00:30:28.980 DeSantis

00:30:29.440 as

00:30:29.820 its

00:30:30.020 governor

00:30:30.420 all

00:30:31.200 of

00:30:31.360 that

00:30:31.600 is

00:30:31.820 now

00:30:32.200 grievously

00:30:33.900 racist

00:30:34.820 according

00:30:35.300 to

00:30:35.540 Randy

00:30:35.840 Weingarten

00:30:36.800 and look

00:30:39.300 at the

00:30:39.580 Civil War

00:30:40.160 I mean

00:30:41.020 one of

00:30:41.380 the

00:30:41.540 objections

00:30:42.080 that I

00:30:42.980 have

00:30:43.200 heard

00:30:43.500 to the

00:30:43.860 way

00:30:44.160 in

00:30:44.520 which

00:30:44.840 Americans

00:30:45.400 have

00:30:45.600 been

00:30:45.740 taught

00:30:46.020 the

00:30:46.220 Civil

00:30:46.440 War

00:30:46.800 predominantly

00:30:47.660 from

00:30:48.140 the

00:30:48.340 left

00:30:48.660 is

00:30:49.020 that

00:30:49.160 it

00:30:49.300 often

00:30:49.700 treats

00:30:50.920 the

00:30:51.140 slaves

00:30:51.580 as

00:30:52.160 people

00:30:53.320 who

00:30:53.520 needed

00:30:53.740 to

00:30:53.940 be

00:30:54.100 rescued

00:30:54.420 by

00:30:54.660 whites

00:30:55.040 that

00:30:56.340 the

00:30:57.000 Civil

00:30:57.440 War

00:30:57.860 is

00:30:58.560 a

00:30:58.820 white

00:30:59.220 savior

00:30:59.680 narrative

00:31:00.420 of course

00:31:01.060 it is

00:31:01.420 actually

00:31:01.660 predominantly

00:31:02.220 true

00:31:02.620 that

00:31:02.820 the

00:31:02.940 vast

00:31:03.140 majority

00:31:03.500 of

00:31:03.740 people

00:31:03.960 who

00:31:04.240 fought

00:31:05.260 in

00:31:05.440 the

00:31:05.560 Civil

00:31:05.760 War

00:31:06.060 were

00:31:06.600 white

00:31:06.760 but

00:31:06.900 not

00:31:07.080 all

00:31:07.320 of

00:31:07.460 them

00:31:07.660 were

00:31:08.240 white

00:31:08.740 some

00:31:09.380 of

00:31:09.500 them

00:31:09.720 were

00:31:10.220 black

00:31:11.360 and

00:31:11.560 many

00:31:11.780 of

00:31:11.900 them

00:31:11.980 were

00:31:12.120 slaves

00:31:12.600 and

00:31:13.560 those

00:31:14.880 people's

00:31:15.480 contributions

00:31:16.120 quite

00:31:17.180 obviously

00:31:17.920 should

00:31:19.020 be

00:31:19.320 acknowledged

00:31:19.840 and

00:31:20.340 celebrated

00:31:20.860 as

00:31:21.220 I

00:31:21.420 should

00:31:21.600 say

00:31:21.960 the

00:31:22.640 Florida

00:31:23.020 curriculum

00:31:23.480 does

00:31:24.100 there's

00:31:24.400 a whole

00:31:24.720 section

00:31:25.100 on that

00:31:26.300 now

00:31:26.720 are we

00:31:27.360 to assume

00:31:28.060 that anyone

00:31:29.240 in the

00:31:29.560 United

00:31:29.820 States

00:31:30.340 who has

00:31:30.800 said

00:31:31.040 at any

00:31:31.380 point

00:31:31.660 what I

00:31:31.960 just

00:31:32.180 did

00:31:32.500 which

00:31:33.160 was

00:31:33.540 that

00:31:33.680 we

00:31:33.800 should

00:31:33.980 celebrate

00:31:34.580 those

00:31:35.780 slaves

00:31:36.640 who

00:31:36.860 fought

00:31:37.360 alongside

00:31:37.980 and within

00:31:38.760 the

00:31:39.000 Union

00:31:39.240 Army

00:31:39.540 for their

00:31:40.020 own

00:31:40.220 manumission

00:31:40.820 that

00:31:41.800 celebrating

00:31:42.660 them

00:31:43.200 is an

00:31:44.440 endorsement

00:31:44.940 of slavery

00:31:45.440 that you're

00:31:46.000 pleased that

00:31:46.720 slavery

00:31:47.040 happened

00:31:47.520 of course

00:31:48.060 you're

00:31:48.260 not

00:31:48.460 as I

00:31:48.980 say

00:31:49.100 this is

00:31:49.480 a silly

00:31:50.120 logical

00:31:51.180 fallacy

00:31:52.020 that in

00:31:52.420 almost any

00:31:53.120 other

00:31:53.360 circumstance

00:31:53.920 would be

00:31:54.700 immediately

00:31:55.240 recognized

00:31:56.060 as such

00:31:56.760 the

00:31:58.580 politics of

00:32:00.380 it are

00:32:00.560 obvious

00:32:00.940 I played

00:32:01.980 the soundbite

00:32:02.480 from

00:32:02.920 Will Hurd

00:32:03.780 who was

00:32:04.600 attacking

00:32:04.920 Ron DeSantis

00:32:05.560 because he's

00:32:06.520 running for

00:32:06.800 president

00:32:07.160 right so he

00:32:07.780 sees an

00:32:08.100 opportunity

00:32:08.500 and has

00:32:10.140 repeated

00:32:10.560 something I've

00:32:11.080 heard in

00:32:11.300 other corners

00:32:11.700 about DeSantis

00:32:12.340 allegedly failing

00:32:13.400 here saying

00:32:14.620 oh DeSantis

00:32:15.500 showed his

00:32:16.020 lack of

00:32:16.480 leadership

00:32:17.040 by acting

00:32:18.140 like it

00:32:18.540 was somebody

00:32:19.120 else's

00:32:19.680 fault

00:32:20.180 right I

00:32:20.840 played that

00:32:21.640 in part

00:32:22.100 in the

00:32:22.360 soundbite

00:32:22.820 and what

00:32:23.500 he's

00:32:23.720 talking about

00:32:24.360 is yesterday

00:32:24.960 Ron DeSantis

00:32:25.600 was asked

00:32:26.280 about this

00:32:26.920 and in one

00:32:27.820 of his

00:32:28.080 answers he

00:32:28.840 said I

00:32:30.080 didn't do

00:32:30.540 it it

00:32:30.860 wasn't me

00:32:31.500 and now

00:32:32.140 that's getting

00:32:32.480 plucked out

00:32:33.100 by his

00:32:33.440 detractors

00:32:34.020 to say oh

00:32:34.460 he's

00:32:34.740 shirking

00:32:35.060 responsibility

00:32:35.780 oh who

00:32:36.260 me

00:32:36.500 well we

00:32:37.360 pulled the

00:32:38.080 longer

00:32:39.000 exchange

00:32:39.600 including

00:32:39.960 the question

00:32:40.780 that was

00:32:41.100 asked of

00:32:41.680 Ron DeSantis

00:32:42.280 in response

00:32:43.600 to which

00:32:44.060 he said

00:32:44.760 that

00:32:45.200 here it

00:32:45.980 is

00:32:46.320 your

00:32:47.880 clarification

00:32:48.460 on one

00:32:48.960 thing

00:32:49.180 within the

00:32:49.700 policy

00:32:50.060 it says

00:32:50.480 instruction

00:32:51.000 includes

00:32:51.540 how slaves

00:32:52.080 develop

00:32:52.420 skills

00:32:52.860 which in

00:32:53.320 some

00:32:53.540 instances

00:32:53.960 could be

00:32:55.580 applied

00:32:55.920 for their

00:32:56.260 personal

00:32:56.640 benefit

00:32:57.060 could you

00:32:57.400 just explain

00:32:57.960 well you

00:32:58.400 should talk

00:32:58.820 to them

00:32:59.160 about it

00:32:59.480 I mean

00:32:59.560 I didn't

00:32:59.960 do it

00:33:00.360 I wasn't

00:33:00.920 involved

00:33:01.240 in it

00:33:01.660 but I

00:33:02.380 think

00:33:02.680 what they're

00:33:03.780 doing

00:33:04.120 is I

00:33:04.440 think

00:33:04.660 that they're

00:33:05.060 probably

00:33:05.500 going to

00:33:05.860 show

00:33:06.260 some of

00:33:07.800 the folks

00:33:08.380 that

00:33:08.800 eventually

00:33:09.380 parlayed

00:33:10.720 you know

00:33:11.580 being a

00:33:12.180 blacksmith

00:33:12.740 into

00:33:13.460 doing

00:33:14.080 things

00:33:14.440 later

00:33:14.700 in life

00:33:15.540 but the

00:33:16.480 reality

00:33:16.860 is

00:33:17.180 all of

00:33:17.600 that

00:33:17.760 is

00:33:17.920 rooted

00:33:18.240 in

00:33:18.480 whatever

00:33:18.820 is

00:33:19.120 factual

00:33:19.580 these

00:33:20.060 were

00:33:20.260 scholars

00:33:20.800 who put

00:33:21.380 that

00:33:21.560 together

00:33:22.020 was not

00:33:22.780 anything

00:33:23.100 that was

00:33:23.760 done

00:33:24.520 politically

00:33:25.060 so she

00:33:27.240 says to

00:33:27.780 him

00:33:28.040 could you

00:33:28.860 just

00:33:29.160 explain

00:33:29.660 it

00:33:29.920 explain

00:33:30.760 that

00:33:31.080 well he

00:33:31.740 wasn't

00:33:32.100 on the

00:33:32.460 13 person

00:33:33.100 commission

00:33:33.520 he's

00:33:34.320 saying

00:33:34.660 I wasn't

00:33:35.260 there

00:33:35.620 but

00:33:36.460 this is

00:33:36.880 my

00:33:37.040 understanding

00:33:37.560 of it

00:33:38.000 and now

00:33:38.560 you've

00:33:38.740 got his

00:33:39.020 political

00:33:39.380 detractors

00:33:39.940 even on

00:33:40.260 the right

00:33:40.660 trying to

00:33:41.400 say oh

00:33:41.920 lack of

00:33:42.320 leadership

00:33:42.720 oh look

00:33:43.500 at him

00:33:43.700 trying to

00:33:44.040 distance

00:33:44.320 himself

00:33:44.620 he's

00:33:44.820 not

00:33:44.940 trying to

00:33:45.180 distance

00:33:45.440 himself

00:33:45.760 at all

00:33:46.340 so I

00:33:48.360 certainly

00:33:48.600 don't think

00:33:48.920 he's

00:33:49.020 trying to

00:33:49.280 distance

00:33:49.580 himself

00:33:49.920 and

00:33:50.080 everything

00:33:50.300 he said

00:33:50.660 was

00:33:50.820 correct

00:33:51.060 I

00:33:51.320 actually

00:33:51.560 don't

00:33:51.780 think

00:33:51.880 that's

00:33:55.060 just as a

00:34:07.980 political matter I would have liked to have seen the sort of Ron DeSantis answer that we saw during COVID where he set the context and was a master of the detail it is of course true that he didn't contrive this curriculum the curriculum was built by people such as your last guest but Ronald Reagan would have answered that question a lot better

00:34:22.960 I suspect I suspect I suspect I suspect I suspect I suspect I suspect I suspect I suspect he hadn't expected the question or looked into it too deeply but I understand those who say this was not DeSantis' finest moment I'm among them certainly I think Will Hurd's objection is silly and opportunistic and driven by his wanting to be the Republican nominee

00:34:47.880 the fact that the fact that the fact that the fact that the fact that the fact that the fact that the fact that the question was asked at all though shows you the sheer power that the left still has within the press and within academia I have to say and I'm sure this sounds naive I have been somewhat astonished that they have managed to put this into the ether and communicate it as widely as they have overnight I mean this this was contrived out of whole cloth

00:35:16.100 and now it is a major topic of conversation and now it is a major topic of conversation that you and I are discussing and I've written about three times and that all sorts of people who don't follow the news closely are going to believe

00:35:29.940 I mean I have absolutely no time for any of the people that you played in those clips reiterating this they are being indignant for applause and clicks they should have taken the time to look at the curriculum as I did when I first learned about this before they commented on it

00:35:45.720 but there are tens of millions of people out there who follow the news passively maybe they're sitting in a bar and they see a chyron at the bottom maybe they just see a headline maybe someone tells them a third party or a friend and they don't look into this because they trust the media to tell them the truth and in this case the media simply has not told them the truth

00:36:04.280 you see the vice president making the emergency trip to Florida you say oh my god what is it why is she doing that and the the outrage of Anna Navarro you think oh she's really angry what's what did he do and it's on the heels of them saying they're banning books in Florida without telling you it shows you know a young boy getting fellated like we don't need that in our children's you don't want your children going into grade school and seeing that they they and it's not banned you can get it on Amazon if you want that in front of your child

00:36:31.280 you're a sicko if you do but you certainly shouldn't want it in K through 12 education so this is a narrative they're building about him if I were Ron DeSantis I have to tell you Charles I would I would be thrilled this is happening to me it's earned media it's exactly how Trump became president yet another controversy that keeps you in the news no one in the GOP field can get any oxygen past the Trump indictments enter Ron DeSantis with a controversy he didn't even create he should be like he did when he was a little league slugger hitting it out of the park he should be batting the balls

00:37:01.260 at an alarming rate welcoming this fight at every a fight with Kamala Harris the least popular politician in America I mean if his team is not telling him to get out in front of every single microphone and sing from the rafters about how wrong she is and dishonest then they're failing him

00:37:18.780 yes and hopefully next time he talks about this he does so comprehensively and pugnaciously and I think probably with some context I do think it's really important to say when you're discussing this issue look slavery was a great evil in this country and it stained this country's history and that's why we're teaching it properly in Florida

00:37:41.780 as I say I would be really upset if this were true it's one of the reasons that I immediately looked up the whole course and read the entire thing and actually printed out the entire thing at National Review so that people could see it

00:37:54.360 is because this would be a big problem if it were true and I think DeSantis should say that I think his next answer ought to be better

00:38:01.080 that said it's not his fault that Kamala Harris has done this it's not his fault that having been told that she was wrong she flew down to Florida and repeated the lie

00:38:09.900 it's not his fault that the press has picked up on this and broadcast it around the world it's not his fault that Ana Navarro behaves like that that is on the media and it's a disgrace I mean how does this help the country how does this help the country if this were true it would be something to point to but it's not so what are they doing they are once again asked with the lies about book banning and so forth

00:38:36.600 they are once again diminishing the conception of 20 million of their fellow citizens Floridians in the imaginations of the rest of the country

00:38:49.420 they are dividing people by race on the basis of a falsehood and they are subordinating their role which is to convey information to the public to their political preferences in an attempt to get at a presidential candidate

00:39:03.860 and I'm just so sick of it I'm so tired of it I didn't start writing about this because I want to defend Ron DeSantis

00:39:10.600 I started writing about this as I often do because I'm a Floridian and this really annoys me

00:39:15.720 it annoys me when Florida was lied about during COVID and high profile people within the media started saying Floridiots

00:39:23.160 it annoys me when they lied about the so-called don't say gay bill

00:39:26.960 it annoyed me when they've lied about these so-called book bans that are in almost every case nothing of the sort

00:39:33.180 and this annoys me as well because I don't spend my days doing this about people in New York or Michigan

00:39:39.280 or Wyoming right it just seems because you don't need a lie direction you don't need to lie to point out their insanity

00:39:45.500 you don't need to the left will give you plenty of actual examples from which you can work

00:39:49.500 so I agree it's not Ron DeSantis's fault but it is his chance to show us the fighter that many of us fell in love with

00:39:56.620 when he was fighting those battles back during COVID and to set the record straight against again one of the least

00:40:01.900 likable politicians in America Kamala Harris who has made him and Florida school children her target

00:40:08.180 so fair game let's go at it by the way I'm interviewing him this week it airs on Friday you can bet this is going to come up

00:40:15.600 let's shift gears because speaking of dishonesty in in the press there's been a near total blackout of the allegations

00:40:24.400 against Hunter Biden and Joe Biden it's not just Hunter Biden it's also whether Joe Biden was involved

00:40:31.100 possibly took a bribe as the sitting vice president as this FBI forum suggests may have happened we do not

00:40:37.900 do not know whether that's true um but an investigative press would want to get to the bottom of it we don't

00:40:43.700 have an a curious investigative press anymore and yesterday there was a big development in the White House

00:40:50.460 messaging on just how involved Joe may have been in Hunter's business affairs Miranda Devine has been

00:40:56.120 saying it wasn't Joe involved in Hunter's business business affairs it was Joe's business affairs that

00:41:01.760 he used Hunter to execute on an important distinction and a possibility people need to keep in mind

00:41:06.800 um all along from when he was running for president he said I have never talked to my son or anyone in my

00:41:12.720 family about their business dealings and then yesterday a shift a shift in how the White House

00:41:19.580 discussed this issue and it was an important one we've put together a montage of the previous

00:41:25.040 statements the last statement in here will be Karine Jean-Pierre yesterday changing the wording in a way

00:41:30.960 that's going to prove important watch I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else

00:41:38.680 anything having to do with their businesses period I've never spoken with my son about his overseas

00:41:43.620 business do you stand by your statement that you did not discuss any of your son's overseas business

00:41:48.600 yes I stand by that statement I don't discuss business with my son I never discussed a single

00:41:54.260 thing with my son about anything having to do with Ukraine the president had was never in business

00:41:58.920 with his son in business with in business with and that wasn't the question um and she prefaced it

00:42:07.820 Charles with I've answered this a million times the answer is not going to change and then she changed

00:42:13.860 it materially from he's never discussed business with his son to he's never been in business with

00:42:21.500 his son which is an important distinction I believe it's also a lie but the White House won't allow us

00:42:27.360 to actually inquire they won't appoint a special counsel on this and uh the press is only to to overstate it

00:42:34.300 mildly interested in the story I don't think the press is interested in the story at all I have been

00:42:41.920 astonished by the total radio silence that we have seen on this issue and I have grown tired of having

00:42:51.560 to say so I will say once again that I don't know whether this is true or not but there's an awful lot

00:42:57.200 of smoke why is it that I have been given the same answer on this as the smoke has piled up into the sky

00:43:05.060 for months because the press doesn't care it's a slightly different topic but there was an astonishing

00:43:11.280 incident last week when two IRS whistleblowers spoke in congress about Hunter Biden and the press

00:43:22.640 didn't cover it the Washington Post did not report on it at all it wasn't that it was buried at the back

00:43:28.640 it wasn't that they spun the issue they simply refused to report on it meanwhile you see endless

00:43:37.380 stories about a supreme court christmas party with three or four bylines on them the time has come

00:43:45.120 for the institutions in this country that have resources and expertise in investigative reporting

00:43:54.640 to look into this properly to assign four five ten fifteen people to determine whether or not the

00:44:04.960 allegations that we have heard and the evidence that we have seen amount to something serious if I

00:44:11.140 were President Biden I would want that I would want my name to be cleared if this weren't true

00:44:18.960 certainly as a citizen who admittedly does not like President Biden at all I want to know whether there is

00:44:26.440 something to this because it's really odd how many of these little threads when tugged at seem to be

00:44:36.560 connected to something larger it's not looking good is it no it's not and just to expand on that last

00:44:46.220 comment by Corrine Jean-Pierre the question from Fox's Jillian Turner was curious if the White House

00:44:50.880 and President still stand behind his comment that he's never been involved and has never even spoken

00:44:55.760 to his son about his business and she goes on to say I've been asked a million times the answer is not

00:45:01.180 going to change the president was never in business with his son amazingly so many in the media

00:45:07.700 bite they they're too lazy too dumb to actually understand that's a whole new deflection by the White House

00:45:17.300 that it is different from all the ones we've heard before uh mediaite is a website that covers the media

00:45:22.760 this is their headline KJP Corrine Jean-Pierre definitively states that President Biden quote was never in

00:45:28.700 business with his son hello that's not the headline that's not the significance of what just happened there

00:45:34.380 as any honest reporter would tell you even Peter Baker I must say of the New York Times

00:45:39.200 pointed it out he noticed it and actually tweeted about it so good for him but you have other

00:45:44.880 reporters who will just phone it in and go wherever the little doggy treat leads them you know it's just

00:45:49.320 like my Strudwick you know wherever the doggy treat is that's where he will go he will not pause to

00:45:53.640 think about the fact that he might be going off a cliff um sweet Strudwick I'll make sure that doesn't

00:45:58.300 happen to him uh so you've got now as the smoke starts to get thicker and thicker Kevin McCarthy

00:46:04.920 who is speaker of the house Republican controlled going on Hannity last night and saying I think we

00:46:10.100 have time for it the following sought eight if you're sitting in our position today we would know

00:46:16.660 none of this if Republicans have not taken the majority we've only followed where the information

00:46:21.620 has taken us but Hannity this is rising to the level of impeachment inquiry which provides Congress

00:46:29.460 the strongest power to get the rest of the knowledge and information needed I believe we will follow

00:46:36.620 this all the way to the end and this is going to rise to an impeachment inquiry the way the Constitution

00:46:41.660 tells us to do this and we have to get the answers to these questions you use the i-word what do you make

00:46:49.040 that well you said impeachment inquiry I would caution Republicans from getting ahead of themselves but

00:46:57.000 if the worst version of the allegations here is true then of course the president would have to resign or

00:47:04.160 be impeached it's possible that we've seen nefarious activity or immoral activity that doesn't rise to

00:47:10.760 that level but if indeed this was a pay-for-play scheme and government policy was changed or a position

00:47:17.160 was abused in exchange for money and that that money was funneled through a manner of shell accounts

00:47:21.740 and family members yeah this would be an impeachment level offense so I hope they focus as much on the

00:47:27.020 inquiry as the impeachment bit and make sure that it's in that order yeah because if he actually did

00:47:33.760 take a bribe to change U.S. policy toward Ukraine while the sitting vice president impeachment is the

00:47:39.320 least of his problems he's going to jail he might be in prison

00:47:42.340 China will be worse than Watergate

00:47:44.700 yeah by far right now this is what you got you got the White House doing this for the listening audience

00:47:50.000 my arm is stiff and in front of me um you got the White House doing that you got the press doing that

00:47:54.520 and there's so much smoke that I do have to believe that even the dishonest press the press that wants

00:48:01.920 to run cover for him is going to have to do more about this they're going to have to because they even

00:48:07.780 they must worry what if we don't do it and something comes out closer to the election

00:48:12.380 and we're stuck with her we're stuck with her she will lose to anybody my sweet Strudwick could beat

00:48:19.480 Kamala Harris Charles C.W. Cook thank you for your honesty and your hard work and your commentary great

00:48:25.540 to see you

00:48:26.180 my next guest's twitter account is one of my favorite follows at least used to be called twitter

00:48:35.500 now it's called x uh he chronicles some of the gender madness that has taken over our culture and

00:48:41.240 boy he finds just the best clips that really bring it home I did not know anything about his backstory

00:48:46.320 but it's fascinating from a shy British teenager who was badly bullied to k-pop and Korean culture

00:48:53.760 super fan a singer turned influencer who has had his own battles with identity now he's out with a

00:49:01.360 new book about his life detailing why he's turned into such a vocal critic of transgender ideology and

00:49:06.880 what an effective one he is having lived it firsthand the book is called gender madness one man's

00:49:14.380 devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to protect children it is set for release next

00:49:20.300 month it is available now for pre-order get it to support ollie london who is fighting the good fight

00:49:27.440 against as it's called gender madness ollie welcome to the show great to be here thank you so much for

00:49:33.900 that introduction megan of course so i did i mean like ollie i i tick off a couple of these things from

00:49:41.460 your bio just so people understand the amount that you've been through including recently this is not

00:49:47.600 ancient history and how you got to this place before you found faith which has been a lifesaver

00:49:54.020 for so many um that you were badly bullied you were more feminine as a child eventually realized you

00:50:00.860 were gay but then decided maybe it's non-binary switched to they them then came out as a trans woman

00:50:06.560 started to go through procedures became addicted to plastic surgery 32 plastic surgery procedures

00:50:14.000 um ben declared yourself korean because you developed a fixation with korean culture

00:50:20.420 they called you a cultural appropriator they did not call you a female appropriator that was fine you

00:50:25.860 could cross over into the female lane but you couldn't cross over into the korean lane and right before

00:50:30.720 they were about to do these dramatic irreversible procedures on you surgeries on you to make you

00:50:38.660 quote appear more female you stopped i mean you did the thing nobody does you stopped you went into a

00:50:46.240 church and everything changed so that's just the broad brush overview of what brought you here today

00:50:52.540 um thank you for being so honest about all this because this that's got to be very traumatic just

00:50:57.140 to hear me listing it all like that it is but you know i think it's important to speak about it because

00:51:02.260 you know i i have been through a crazy time and i recognize that you know i acknowledge what

00:51:06.040 i've been through but uh no i think it's more of a microcosm to what we got what's going on in the

00:51:11.840 world right now with so many people questioning their identity and struggling and never feeling

00:51:15.920 good enough and i always had that feeling of never feeling good enough never feeling that i looked good

00:51:20.400 you know always struggling with my sexuality my identity the way i looked and you know i projected

00:51:25.260 that onto the world because we live in a world where people can change their identities all the time and

00:51:30.040 you know at the time i wasn't in a good headspace so i thought this was a totally normal thing to do and i

00:51:34.940 didn't realize i was you know perhaps a bad role model you know projecting these insecurities onto

00:51:39.760 the world because you were having mental health issues and eventually like is happening so often

00:51:47.020 in today's day and age you got sucked into the gender onto the gender train and it was very easy

00:51:53.420 to just blame it all on that and then of course that was about to create more problems for you not less

00:51:58.340 yeah i mean i don't like to blame things on other people you know i take responsibility

00:52:03.040 for myself my own actions but i do think society does push and indoctrinate people into believing

00:52:10.420 that they can just suddenly wake up and change their identity and you know i was heavily using tiktok i

00:52:15.560 was heavily using social media um you know i was surrounded by people you know doctors that would

00:52:20.340 just say yes to me and even the craziest things you know i've had three eye surgeries i've had my jaw

00:52:25.120 bone shaved i've got screws in my face you know i've done some really crazy things and you know

00:52:29.540 all these people around you they affirm your identity they think you know it's great you're

00:52:33.380 unique you're different you're changing yourself but really you know i wish at the time i would have

00:52:37.520 realized you know that this was very unhealthy and damaging to me and you know other people around me

00:52:42.180 you had some issues growing up that were real uh your dad abandoned you and prior to that

00:52:49.040 was very emotionally abusive toward you um made you feel completely less than was not at all

00:52:55.960 accepting of the fact that you were more effeminate and were probably just on your way to becoming

00:53:01.760 a gay man which he didn't want any part of so like we've seen that pattern happen quite a few times in

00:53:08.220 the trans community where if you would just let a little boy be more effeminate and play with barbies

00:53:12.900 and if he wants to put on a dress every once in a while it doesn't mean he's trans it could just

00:53:16.620 mean he's a normal a little bit more effeminate non-gender conforming boy but he tried he didn't

00:53:21.740 want it and that plus the bullying you went through in school really left you in a dark place

00:53:26.500 yeah i mean that was one of the triggers because basically you know he always wants me to be

00:53:31.140 masculine and a boy and you know go out camping hiking mountain climbing and going to forests and

00:53:36.640 stuff and i really rejected that and you know if i didn't go he would shout at me and be mean to me he

00:53:41.840 would scream at me in the car and stuff because i was always feminine i didn't want to do things

00:53:45.980 he wanted to do so but i had a really time uh struggling with that and i think you know to

00:53:50.700 have a functioning family unit is so important and if we look at the cases of many people that

00:53:56.020 you know become non-binary or trans they do have um difficulties within their family unit you know

00:54:01.420 whether that's with the father or the mother and um you know other issues and i think that's a real

00:54:05.760 driving force so you know i think protecting the family unit is a very important thing in this fight

00:54:10.940 to protect kids from gender ideology but also you know when i had a parent like that was just

00:54:16.700 constantly putting me down making me feel worthless you know it made me want to change it made me want

00:54:22.060 to become more like my mother more feminine more like a girl because i didn't want to be reminded of

00:54:26.300 this person no look how sweet you were look at this beautiful these pictures of you as a little boy

00:54:32.780 and you know i understand that when you got into the middle school and high school years

00:54:38.460 you had a condition is it called gynecomastia is that what it is yeah gynecomastia basically male

00:54:45.440 breast tissue okay and this is not all that uncommon um i mean on certain men where you you look like

00:54:52.140 you have sort of breast buds as a man which you know you can get corrected surgically and eventually

00:54:57.520 you did but you know a kid going through that in the middle school high school swim sessions during

00:55:04.080 pe has got to be its own kind of torture kids are mean you write about how you had bad acne i could

00:55:10.640 relate to that 100 people always say oh your skin's so nice you know what it was not always this way

00:55:16.640 and the years where it was really bad were traumatic and i didn't have any of those other issues that you

00:55:21.680 just mentioned so i really my heart goes out to you on that bullying how bad was that

00:55:27.520 i mean it was really horrific and i go into you know very detail big detail in the book because it

00:55:33.600 was something that scarred me for life and i think you know that is really the reason why i was

00:55:39.420 traumatized and underwent all of these procedures and tried to completely erase my identity because i

00:55:44.460 wanted to prove these bullies wrong you know when i'd go to swim class like you said i had gynecomastia

00:55:49.220 which a lot of boys do have its fatty tissue around the chest so it appears like breasts so i would

00:55:54.860 always be called a girl i'd be told i was pregnant because i had you know a chubby stomach and you

00:55:59.940 know people would say i had breasts or i would try to forget my swim kit so i wouldn't have to go to

00:56:03.820 class and then the teachers would find a spare one so i'd still have to do it and be humiliated you

00:56:08.200 know all of those kids laughing at me and calling me a woman or saying that i had man boobs it scarred me

00:56:13.260 for life so you know when i became an adult i completely cut off my chest and i'm left with some very bad scars

00:56:18.920 and cut off all that fat cut off my nipples and you know nearly died during that procedure in

00:56:23.580 armenia um so it was a tough time and you know those things stay with you for life but it's about

00:56:28.200 you know dealing with those issues head on and you know i'm not running from those uh traumas anymore

00:56:33.020 i'm addressing them head on and trying to deal with them to try and become a better person well i i list

00:56:38.800 it and i think you listed it in your book to try to give people a foundation to understand

00:56:42.460 you know these were some of your issues going into the point at which you you were told by the internet

00:56:49.240 and ultimately told yourself that you were actually the real problem was you were a woman trapped in a man's

00:56:55.060 body and it's it's in so many cases we've seen if the person had just gotten an honest therapist who

00:57:01.140 helped them explore their childhood trauma they may have made a different choice than to add on more trauma

00:57:06.180 right with all these devastating procedures i mean that's the real issue i mean if we look at studies

00:57:11.980 about kids with gender dysphoria you know the vast majority of them have uh pre-existing conditions

00:57:16.960 like autism some have bipolar some have severe depression so the doctors aren't treating the

00:57:22.080 real issue they're instead going down this fast track that oh you've got issues it must be because

00:57:26.720 you're trans and you know giving them hormones and it's very profitable for these clinics so you know

00:57:31.060 all of these uh corners are cut and kids aren't really supported and diagnosed you know imagine

00:57:35.980 struggling you know on the spectrum with autism as a teen and it's a very confusing time then you're going

00:57:40.760 through puberty and you might be getting bullied at school and you know if you think there's a way

00:57:44.940 out of that pain and suffering the doctor tells you you can escape this by just taking a few hormones

00:57:50.040 you're going to do it you're going to listen to that personal authority so i think that's the real

00:57:54.260 issue here and you know if i would have just addressed it head on and spoke to a therapist and

00:57:58.540 spoke about my issues you know perhaps i wouldn't have gone down such an extreme route perhaps i would

00:58:02.940 have you know got that mental health support and not mutilated my body and face

00:58:06.920 the the surgeries the plastic surgeries were not all designed toward becoming a woman as i mentioned

00:58:14.100 in the intro there were many many procedures designed to you write in the book erase all

00:58:19.780 resemblance to your father and you know you were trying to scrub his imprint on you out of you in any

00:58:26.260 way you could and then came the fixation just that you had body dysmorphia and so you wanted to change

00:58:31.860 so many things about the way you look to your face and your body uh and then came the korean thing so

00:58:37.000 can we talk about the korean thing because that's a that's an interesting twist that you don't see in

00:58:40.440 you know all these cases yes and i was definitely canceled for that by all these trans activists

00:58:45.960 because you know apparently you can't identify as that um so really what it was i was really trying

00:58:51.260 to erase the person i was i was trying to escape and run away from me you know i didn't want to be

00:58:56.720 reminded myself so when i'd look in the mirror i hated it so i wanted to change myself so irreversibly

00:59:02.620 that i wouldn't recognize myself and other people wouldn't recognize me so that's where the career

00:59:06.900 thing came in because i actually moved to korea in 2013 i did english teaching for a year which is an

00:59:12.220 amazing experience and there's also an experience where i was in this culture which is you know it

00:59:17.620 promotes plastic surgery absolutely everywhere you have on the subway system billboards you have tv

00:59:22.440 adverts all the k-pop stars promoting surgery so you can't escape it so when i saw that i was

00:59:27.220 surrounded by this culture of you know beautiful people that seem so happy and successful i thought

00:59:31.780 no this is the solution just have some surgery and all of my problems will go away and you know as many

00:59:37.220 people do with surgery once you start you don't really stop and it became a snowball effect um which i

00:59:43.120 talk about in the book that it was unstoppable and it became an addiction so i was trying to have this

00:59:47.520 korean k-pop look because i thought that would make me feel beautiful like a korean pop

00:59:52.360 start and then it wasn't enough so then the gender dysphoria came back into my life and i thought

00:59:58.100 that was the solution and it was just you know running from my problems instead of addressing them

01:00:01.720 hmm and was it were you rejected by surgeons you know if you said like i don't know what

01:00:07.920 specifically you were asking them to do maybe you could tell us but did anybody say

01:00:11.980 ollie no this is not we're not i'm not doing that

01:00:15.020 yeah so that's actually why i didn't have any surgery in the uk because they're pretty strict i mean

01:00:20.180 they won't even do revision rhinoplasty which is a second nose job a lot of surgeons won't do that

01:00:24.840 in the uk because they don't want to risk it so they don't take risks so i was willing to take a

01:00:28.940 risk and sacrifice my life you know in this pursuit of vanity um so you know i went to some countries i

01:00:34.500 went to poland which you know really messed up my nose and i still have cartilage coming out of my

01:00:39.020 nose to this day um when i went to armenia for the gynecomastia the male chest reduction

01:00:44.040 i almost died um i was in hospital for days i couldn't even move an inch in the bed the nurses

01:00:50.040 weren't coming in they couldn't speak english i couldn't call them it was a real struggle and

01:00:53.840 then the day when i had my bandages and stitches removed the doctor actually pulled metal drains

01:00:59.220 filled with blood out of my nipples without warning and i wasn't on any medication and i was it was

01:01:04.700 agony it was i literally thought i was going to die and you know it was horrific but you know i did it

01:01:09.820 all in the pursuit of vanity and i was risking you know my life with that

01:01:14.040 did you on the korean transformation i mean did you have like an eye surgery like i i read about

01:01:21.420 the you considered having something done to your genitals because apparently the koreans are known

01:01:28.460 for not having like enormous genitals and you you wanted to actually change yours to be more in line

01:01:34.820 with this ideal um well that was actually because at the time i was so struggling with this gender

01:01:40.940 dysphoria i was you know wasn't sure what gender i was so i was actually considering you know having

01:01:46.000 the surgery to have the vaginoplasty and you know then i was also thinking about having a breast surgery

01:01:51.140 in the future so you know it was really that gender dysphoria and you know i said some crazy things back

01:01:55.400 then and i take accountability for that and you know in regards to eye surgery i did actually have

01:01:59.960 three eye surgeries and you know after those surgeries i couldn't even open my eyes for three days

01:02:04.160 you know and it was really tough imagine having your eyes stitched closed um and it was tough but

01:02:09.040 again at the time i didn't care i didn't care if i died i didn't care about my well-being

01:02:12.580 or my health i simply thought in this kind of narrow tunnel vision that this is my only option if i don't

01:02:18.260 do this i'm never going to be happy well the reason i mentioned the the one about you know

01:02:23.160 the manhood surgery is to me that's self-harm i mean that's obvious self-harm you know the other

01:02:29.980 procedures are too but that one's just obvious any any man who wants to take inches out of his

01:02:33.940 penis is you know struggling struggling with something and and you know it didn't happen but

01:02:39.740 thank god i heard you say something recently that really caught my attention which was

01:02:44.820 that it was about self-harm and and that is it's it's almost like a tell like you said you likened

01:02:52.680 the surgeries to like one long exercise in self-harm to like cutting you know and if you were just

01:02:58.420 cutting anybody from the outside would look at you and say oh ali you need help right but instead

01:03:03.340 what you have now is person after person who applauds it or you find doctors maybe not in the

01:03:08.240 uk but elsewhere and met plenty of other countries who will actually do the cutting to you yeah i mean

01:03:14.680 it was self-harm i mean i speak about that in the book as well you know imagine cutting your nose off

01:03:18.620 six times and cutting your eyes up three times and your jaw and your cheeks there's there's no other

01:03:23.240 word for it other than self-harm you know it was was not just about you know i need to fix my nose

01:03:27.520 because it's too big it was a constant addiction and harming myself and i enjoyed that process i

01:03:32.820 enjoyed not being able to open my eyes for three days i enjoyed not being able to eat lying in bed

01:03:36.920 covering with bandages because it made me feel you know i felt worthless and it made me feel better

01:03:41.260 about myself that i'm finally going to be beautiful and i think that's the problem a lot of young people

01:03:45.840 feel they're struggling with other conditions like a severe depression they might be being bullied so

01:03:50.420 they think that you know by changing their body or having body parts cut off that is

01:03:54.500 you know self-harming them to make themselves somehow feel better and it's really not the

01:03:58.360 solution if only you know the young people out there would just focus on their mental health and

01:04:02.660 get help with a therapist rather than going down this self-harm route which i've been through and

01:04:07.520 you know that's why i'm very raw and honest with the book because i want people to know that you know

01:04:12.340 this shouldn't be the solution for young people it shouldn't be the solution to help self-harm and

01:04:16.300 cut yourself and have surgeries the solution should be to try and find support elsewhere and learn to love

01:04:21.520 yourself right and the body dysmorphia that you were undergoing should have been a clue it should

01:04:27.200 have been a clue not something that people just kept addressing the way we wouldn't starve an

01:04:31.120 anorexic they they were feeding right into your mental issues by doing and i by the way i should

01:04:36.500 add a respect for korean men i have no idea what the actual size of korean men is i'm just going they

01:04:41.320 sell me your book on what you said the reasons you said you were contemplating this move um but yeah so

01:04:46.880 no one was helping you no one was helping you so it's a miracle that somehow you helped yourself

01:04:54.020 you despite all that damage and all of these problematic choices that were adding to your

01:05:00.320 troubles how ollie how because i think there are a lot of parents out there struggling with a young

01:05:05.580 child who's in their 18 to 22 year old range thinking i missed the window i have no idea how to

01:05:11.600 help my child now but you are at least one example of the fact that actually maybe there's a window

01:05:18.220 you know there's hope for everyone and i encourage all parents out there you know never give up on

01:05:23.340 your child no matter what struggles they might be going through no matter how difficult your

01:05:26.760 relationship never give up because they are all worth loving they are all worth protecting and you

01:05:31.280 know i got to this stage where i was doing such extremes that i lost the sense of reality and you

01:05:36.040 know i was projecting this online on my tiktoks and youtubes and my music videos and

01:05:39.700 you know i realized at one point that this is unhealthy you know everybody for years you know

01:05:44.760 my family have been telling me this is bad this is unhealthy my mom my sister and you know they

01:05:49.080 were really upset with me and there were times when i wouldn't even speak to my family for weeks on end

01:05:52.920 because they were traumatized by what i was putting them through with the surgery and you know it was

01:05:57.520 selfishness at the time and you know i didn't see it because i was so obsessed with this

01:06:01.400 perfecting my image and my identity and um it was tough but you know never give up on someone and there's

01:06:06.960 always hope and i think you know when you get to such an extreme in life there's always a chance

01:06:11.380 to go back no matter how lost you might be no matter how far you may have gone down the line

01:06:16.140 whether it's being trans or something else you know never give up on yourself because you can turn back

01:06:21.360 and you can get back to the real you and what really helped with me was rediscovering my childhood

01:06:25.920 so you know retracing going back to my old town and you know going to the old church um where i used to go

01:06:31.720 at school and you know retracing your childhood steps remembering things from your past you know

01:06:36.280 because i blocked the old me out of my my life you know 10 plus years i didn't even remember things

01:06:41.520 so it's about rekindling that connection to your childhood you know and and trying to focus on that

01:06:47.200 wow um i guess i should spend before we go right to the robert frost poem in the in the moment for you

01:06:55.020 i should spend a little time talking about your music career because

01:06:58.220 that it seems like actually that was pretty successful um that you got into sort of this k-pop

01:07:04.000 you were into that and made some videos that look pretty good uh there was one um there's one

01:07:10.280 perfection and then there's another one plastic is fantastic we'll play a little bit of both let's

01:07:14.220 play soundbite 12 i mean it's a catchy tune and then here's another offering of you uh in in your

01:07:31.940 singing plastic is fantastic

01:07:33.220 you can do anything you want you can do everything you need

01:07:57.940 oh that's not bad so what happened with the music career and you know is that something was that

01:08:05.500 related to any of what we're discussing yeah it was definitely related i mean you know sorry to

01:08:10.240 um deafen your ears with all that auto tune because i'm not the best singer in the world but

01:08:13.840 you know i i used to make my music videos fun you know i tried to make them fun and you know

01:08:17.860 music is meant to be enjoyable so you know i had comedy in there i'd make some of the videos a

01:08:22.180 little bit crazy and you know i knew i wasn't the best singer but i was taking you know

01:08:26.080 the mick out of myself and just enjoying myself you know making these songs but

01:08:29.760 you know the lyrics if you listen you know perfection plastic is fantastic it's all about

01:08:33.720 looking perfect so you know looking back on that it's pretty meaningless you know it's not a song

01:08:38.160 with substance so no i i don't listen to my old music anymore but you know it's kind of the time when

01:08:43.340 i was struggling with that image and i was obsessed with looking a certain way you know plastic is

01:08:47.860 fantastic perfection and uh i was projecting that onto the world but um yeah i don't think i'd ever go

01:08:53.040 back you know to my music i'm not not the best singer but you're i mean entertaining performer

01:08:58.480 which is i mean half the people out there are not great singers they're just performers who

01:09:01.760 find the auto tune um you did develop this obsession with the korean band bts and in particular with

01:09:08.460 the lead singer and i know i should know his name but please tell me what's his name how could you not

01:09:13.840 know his name megan it's jimin i know i'm so clueless i mean i once thought that the very hit band

01:09:19.480 known as florida was florida i'm like oh i love florida i'm so at it i'm so not hip um so you

01:09:26.640 developed an obsession with him and in particular you wanted to look like him to the point where

01:09:32.020 you know you had surgeries and so on but you actually went on dr phil and talked about this

01:09:37.040 in an extraordinary exchange where dr phil who i love tried to bring home a dose of reality to you on

01:09:43.260 how this isn't really what he looks like either you know you're you're chasing sort of a dream

01:09:48.040 here is sound yes you're wanting to be a um clone or a replica of someone else which is an insult to

01:09:59.140 you no i think it's a tribute to jimin actually you know it's my appreciation for jimin because i'm

01:10:04.880 so in love with him i'm so obsessed so it's my appreciation for jimin so it's i don't think it

01:10:09.960 reflects badly i'm not losing my who i am i'm still the same person underneath well you no you're not

01:10:15.300 you're you're dressed like him right you're wearing silver you're wearing silver this is the new look

01:10:20.600 right this is my new look the blonde hair the plastic surgery and i'm i'm happy like if you look

01:10:25.080 at the pictures of me and jimin it's we're identical now that was just 2021 so that that was not ancient

01:10:33.180 history so where are you on your feelings about jimin and the korean thing well you know at the time

01:10:40.460 on dr phil i wasn't ready to listen to him you know i didn't take any of his advice and i should

01:10:44.300 have at the time because you know after that show i did a lot more surgery a lot more invasive surgery

01:10:49.220 in my face and um you know changed my face multiple times so i wasn't in a position at that time to

01:10:54.820 listen and you know the obsession with jimin was just because you know i lived in korea and i thought

01:10:59.360 you know i want to be like someone that i idolize you know a bit like someone that might idolize

01:11:03.560 someone like angelina jolie um you know i thought i want to idolize this person i want to look like this

01:11:08.100 person i thought you know it was generally possible that's how deluded i was at the time

01:11:12.040 it was generally possible to have surgery to look like another person and you know now i realize it

01:11:16.020 was very creepy and and weird and you know dr phil actually asked jimin to come on the show and they

01:11:20.580 turned it down so i can see why um but you know i just think it was again me projecting my insecurities

01:11:27.540 and i was really trying to raise myself to the point where i wanted to become another person

01:11:31.740 that's very toxic he got into that a little bit here's another soundbite from your appearance

01:11:37.420 in sat 11 i think beneath it all you're a pretty nice guy thank you a pretty decent guy and

01:11:45.860 secondly i think you're really selling yourself short you're not being your own best friend

01:11:54.060 i don't know this it just makes me happy it's like a facade deep down i'm i'm i feel sad about

01:11:59.240 myself like i'm always trying to change myself and i never feel good enough you know when i look in

01:12:03.140 the mirror i never feel beautiful i never feel good and i get so much hate online as well and it

01:12:07.060 just kind of adds to that feeling so i just it just makes me feel better about myself do you realize

01:12:13.960 that you've basically taken over for the bullies what do they quit and you took over for them the

01:12:21.060 bullies bullied you then they went away but you said okay bye i got this i'll bully oliver

01:12:27.160 oh so good is that true well you know he he hit the nail on the head because i was bullying myself

01:12:35.260 because again you know self-harming myself mutilating myself trying to change my identity

01:12:39.680 and going through all these crazy identities it was a form of bullying myself and you know i really had

01:12:44.780 taken over from the bullies and i wasn't ready to listen to his advice at the time but you know i took

01:12:49.420 over from the bullies because i became them you know i started hurting myself i started putting myself

01:12:53.560 down telling myself i'm never good enough i'm not beautiful you know i'm ugly you know all these

01:12:58.660 bullies were right so i really did take over from those bullies so in in august of last year so almost

01:13:05.080 you know it was 11 months ago uh there was an nbc headline that said you apologized for undergoing

01:13:10.960 operations to appear like bts star jimin um saying it was wrong of me to try to do that but then you

01:13:18.160 added that you still do identify as korean adding that's never going to change

01:13:22.920 is that still the case and are you still getting blowback for that right because they won't let

01:13:28.400 you're gonna you can call yourself a woman all day long but if you want to call yourself black or

01:13:32.380 korean when you're actually a white guy from england it's a hard no it's a hard no from those trans

01:13:38.620 lgbt activists you know so inclusive apart from that but um no i'm actually back you know i found

01:13:43.320 myself i'm actually back to just being me and just trying to live my authentic self and rediscover the

01:13:48.080 old me so you know just back to being um me but you know at the time of that nbc article i was

01:13:54.000 starting to realize that my behaviors were harmful um so you know that's the reason i issued that

01:13:59.320 apology because i was reflecting you know over a period of time and thinking you know this is wrong

01:14:03.580 this is bad so that was a first step but i wasn't ready to you know quit my identity at the time you

01:14:08.660 know the korean identity because i still felt you know what if i abandon this identity no who am i i have

01:14:14.320 no identity i'm just you know just ugly old me you know so i thought if i can hold on to that

01:14:19.500 identity for as long as i can it's gonna keep me feeling good about myself keep me feeling beautiful

01:14:23.920 but no several months later i was willing to accept that you know that was uh harmful and you can't

01:14:30.440 change your identity like that and you know it just wasn't good the real you is brilliant the real you

01:14:37.120 is an important public servant i mean honestly i fell in love with you via twitter and your thoughts and

01:14:42.960 what you paid attention to and the quick arguments you would make in response to a clip i'm like who

01:14:46.840 is this person he is brilliant and to learn this backstory was shocking to me like i had no idea that

01:14:54.140 you'd been through any of this so please let me validate that instinct of sticking with the real you

01:15:00.880 you've become such an important voice in these culture wars i don't know what we'd do without you i

01:15:05.960 don't want jim in i don't even know who that was ollie who cares about him now you do

01:15:10.500 yeah go ahead sorry i was just gonna say you know it's all about um you know i was trapped in that woke

01:15:18.620 ideology that woke culture you know it wasn't until i left that you know identity behind the trans

01:15:23.840 identity the korean identity i woke up and realized what is actually going on in the world and the fact

01:15:28.360 that these identities are being used to take away women's rights parental rights and to harm children so

01:15:33.140 it was only after i had that awakening that i saw these things and that's why i've become kind of an

01:15:37.660 activist for that you post these videos and you offer insights on them that you know one could only

01:15:45.700 have from you know having almost crossed over to the other side and had a had a foot in the other camp

01:15:51.380 you know you were on your way toward becoming quote a woman a trans woman and um had this moment and

01:15:57.240 we'll we'll get to actually that that sort of awakening and some of the stuff that you post

01:16:02.240 and your thoughts on it right after this very quick break ollie london stays with us author of

01:16:07.180 the new book gender madness an incredible exposition of this gender ideology and of ollie's own backstory

01:16:15.480 he knows of which he speaks

01:16:17.940 so ollie you're on the path the doctors nobody has any questions at all they're like oh sure you want

01:16:26.560 us to you know chop off your genitals and completely you know quote make you a woman we'll do it um now

01:16:32.660 you point out i was an adult it wasn't like i was a child but still like the it wasn't exactly like

01:16:37.420 they said let's make sure that this is real for you they just were fast tracking you into it

01:16:42.100 and what happened with the church and the robert frost poem well so i've been going through all this

01:16:47.960 surgery i had facial feminization surgery last year which involved 11 procedures in one day so that

01:16:53.520 was an eye surgery jaw neck uh literally every single part of my face even had my forehead bones

01:16:59.100 shaved down to make it look more feminine so that had happened and then about six months down the line

01:17:04.240 after all that surgery i was considering more surgery megan so i was actually considering going

01:17:08.540 to thailand i consulted with doctors about having a breast augmentation so that would be putting

01:17:13.600 silicone implants i wasn't quite ready for the um vaginoplasty but i was ready for the um breast

01:17:19.520 surgery and you know thankfully i got to a point where i was like this is you know this is a really

01:17:23.920 big step do i want to do this and i started to question it then that's when the robert frost poem

01:17:29.140 which i remember reading at university when i studied english and i remember the two you have two roads in

01:17:34.720 the woods and you can choose different paths you can choose the path that you're already going on

01:17:39.180 that's easy you know what's at the end of the path or you can take a risk go down a different path

01:17:44.340 and you know i was at that point where i was so unhappy with myself and i thought you know it's now or

01:17:48.760 never either change now or it's never going to happen so you know i took the path and the road

01:17:53.440 less traveled by and that has made all the difference and that helped me go to church one

01:17:58.300 day and just you know sit there and reflect on my actions and you know consult with the priest and

01:18:03.080 then start going to some of the um congregations you know and just participating in the singing and the

01:18:08.620 choirs and um the hymns and you know it was just an escape from my reality and you know over a period

01:18:14.120 of time going to this church you know it was a lovely community very inclusive very welcoming

01:18:19.000 nobody judged me and you know i just felt like you know maybe i should um reverse course now before

01:18:25.100 it's too late before i do any more harm to myself and you know then i started to really think about

01:18:30.200 my actions and then started to try and think you know i'm actually being a really bad role model for

01:18:34.840 all these kids that follow me on tiktok and youtube and i need to actually be a positive influence for

01:18:40.280 these people were you raised in any particular faith or as a religious person um so when i went

01:18:48.800 to elementary school i actually went to a church of england school so we did have to go to church

01:18:53.720 every week with the school but i always had very fond memories it was always very pleasant and you know

01:18:58.280 a lovely time and um as a teenager i actually became an atheist you know i just wasn't interested

01:19:03.260 and a lot of teens sadly become like that these days because you know too busy on the phone they're not

01:19:08.720 interested in going to church and connecting with god so you know i kind of lost faith completely

01:19:13.580 until the moment when i really needed some guidance and some light and it was you know

01:19:18.000 at that pivotal moment when these two roads and paths were in front of me that i just decided i need to

01:19:24.040 find another solution to my problems and i need to try and find god again and rediscover that

01:19:28.880 you've talked a lot about tiktok and what a negative influence it is uh when it comes to this gender

01:19:35.300 radicalism can you spend a minute on that because i think there'll be a lot of parents out there

01:19:40.020 wondering what do i need to know ollie what do i need to know to protect my kids

01:19:44.420 so i've got two very in-depth chapters about tiktok and how harmful this is and

01:19:49.780 tiktok came about around the same time as the pandemic you know it's owned by china and if you look

01:19:55.280 at the differences between chinese tiktok which is called do yin all of the videos are patriotic

01:20:00.140 it's promoting skills education teaching languages and other things and when you look at the american

01:20:06.120 westernized tiktok you know it's people sharing their pronouns their identities injecting themselves

01:20:10.840 with testosterone and estrogen and no that's really harmful so it seems very obvious that china has an

01:20:16.440 agenda to corrupt and demoralize western society and break down the family units and you know there's

01:20:21.960 no better way of them achieving that goal than using tiktok and you know targeting these kids and you

01:20:27.360 know kids on on tiktok you know you have 13 year olds on there you have younger kids that are going

01:20:31.780 on there and they're seeing people transitioning and sharing their stories of how easy it is how easy

01:20:37.000 it is to get you know a chest binder how easy it is to get hormones and you know they're falling

01:20:41.720 victim to this because they see these influences that are becoming popular they get likes they get

01:20:46.460 praise you're so stunning you're so brave and those kids that are struggling with themselves

01:20:51.260 they're struggling with their identity they see that as an escape as an opportunity to feel

01:20:55.380 validated and that's what's really harmful this is so problematic the way it gets applauded and held

01:21:02.380 up as like an example the way we used to hold up the marines that's how they're now holding up people

01:21:06.960 who are part of the trans community and i'm sorry it's not to say that they're all you know pedophiles

01:21:11.380 or all the sexual assaulters or criminals but there's an unhealthy proportion in that community that is

01:21:19.320 one of those things i mean just today there's a story in the news absolutely dark and disturbing

01:21:23.380 uh hold on a second it's um i don't know if you saw this oh you yeah you tweeted it you tweeted it

01:21:28.300 um transgender democrats child porn charges draw conservative outrage oh sure that's the highlight

01:21:34.000 that the conservatives are mad that this trans person turned out to be a pedophile

01:21:37.380 this is a democratic lawmaker no longer in office transgender quote woman so it's a man

01:21:43.800 masquerading as a woman facing charges now over allegedly colluding with a daycare center

01:21:48.540 center employee who was his partner to obtain child pornography of the children in the daycare

01:21:54.620 this is as sick as it gets this man goes by the name stacy marie lawton 39 of nashwell new hampshire

01:22:02.620 arrested and charged with the sexual exploitation of children and aiding and abetting um this is a

01:22:08.440 person who was setting policy for those who live in new hampshire when it comes to these and other issues

01:22:13.140 and now we find out that he was secretly colluding with his partner who worked in a daycare

01:22:17.380 to to allegedly take pictures explicit pictures of those poor children between the ages of two and

01:22:23.400 five in the daycare center so the two of them could get off on them i mean it's stomach turning it's so

01:22:28.940 disgusting and this is the kind of story that you've been calling attention to this is the kind of

01:22:35.500 thing that you know we see at every turn let me pause that there because i want to stay on social

01:22:39.620 media tick tock you mentioned youtube's another one and there's no bigger more popular show in all

01:22:46.580 of youtube than that of mr beast my kids watch it i mean millions hundreds of millions watch it around

01:22:53.320 the world his goal is to get a billion subscribers i heard him say that myself and his right-hand man

01:22:59.700 has just declared he's not a man he's a woman the guy's married to a woman they have a baby he's been

01:23:07.200 flirting with it he's obviously been on some sort of hormones because he's starting to look more and

01:23:11.000 more sort of female quote unquote and now he comes out with it explicitly chris tyson who was chris tyson

01:23:19.020 is now chrissy uh tyson with a k and in an interview with podcast host anthony padilla says the following

01:23:27.580 you've had a lot of people speculating on your gender yeah you know just you growing out your hair

01:23:34.840 you i mean today you you showed up fully i did presenting i did as a woman i did because i am a

01:23:41.480 woman oh she heard you've never said that before i've never said that publicly no but i i've been

01:23:49.340 fully like confident in that decision for over a year now okay you are not a woman you're a man

01:23:56.880 who's going through something heart goes out to you but you're not a woman and don't confuse the young

01:24:01.060 children watching mr beast that you're a woman because he's presenting now as a woman on mr beast

01:24:06.640 and these young kids who are just trying to tune in to see mr beast you know like clean up the oceans

01:24:12.100 or have somebody try to he did a funny thing where they're trying to like assassinate me not for real

01:24:18.060 but you know hire a real assassin they want to see the fun antics now have to watch this guy who

01:24:23.320 yesterday was a man masquerade around as a woman and everybody's just pretending nothing weird has

01:24:27.400 happened dolly yeah and it's incredibly harmful because the majority of the audience for mr beast

01:24:32.920 are young kids you know young kids idolize this youtube channel they want to become like mr beast

01:24:37.660 they want to become like chris tyson so when you have millions of kids looking at this person that

01:24:41.740 is openly declaring i am a woman she her and they're also tweeting about taking hormones and how it saved

01:24:47.960 their life and they're encouraging their young audience to try hrt hormone replacement therapy

01:24:53.260 that is incredibly harmful you know it's one thing to be struggling with your identity and to try and

01:24:57.840 deal with that and find happiness but it's another thing to project that onto kids i think that's

01:25:01.960 really harmful and you know i feel for his wife and the baby because i mean if you look at him just a

01:25:06.240 year ago completely different person what has changed in a year that has made him uh feel the need

01:25:11.940 to do this and declare himself as a woman you know i think it's it's going to be harmful if he continues

01:25:16.380 to be in the videos talking about these things that he's a woman and about hormones and things you know

01:25:21.180 it should just be about these fun videos you know that kids love kids enjoy shouldn't be anything to

01:25:26.000 do with trans ideology but sadly i think a lot of kids are going to be you know indoctrinated by this

01:25:30.860 and want to become just like chris or chrissy or whatever he's called now right right and on tiktok

01:25:37.340 it's even worse uh i know you called attention to this video of this surgeon just talking about this

01:25:42.940 sort of cross-gender surgery like you know it's nothing it's super fun here's uh according this is you found

01:25:48.620 it doctor is it sidib gallagher talking about silicone testicles look at this so typically when

01:25:57.960 we're creating the testicles for transmasculine bottom surgery we use implants to do it there's

01:26:04.540 two main types available on the market there's the saline implants which i tend not to use because

01:26:09.720 i find patients don't tolerate them as well and then there's these guys these are squishy

01:26:15.360 silicone implants they feel really natural they're available in different sizes you decide what

01:26:21.480 your doc what the right size is for you and there it is

01:26:24.780 i i that is it's literally nauseating to me that she's just out there like it's so easy look at it

01:26:33.820 so soft and squishy so fun you two could cut up your vagina and have me insert these and as you pretend

01:26:39.720 to have testicles that you will never actually have yeah and she has hundreds of thousands of

01:26:44.680 followers on tiktok and all of her videos are targeting kids and you know a lot of her customers

01:26:49.060 they find her from tiktok and you know she has claimed before that she operates on several

01:26:53.700 under 18s every single month so she's operating on minors cutting off healthy girls breasts every

01:26:59.540 single month she performs around 500 gender surgeries every single year and i just think you know the fact

01:27:06.000 that she's using these dirty marketing tactics to go on tiktok where 30 plus of the audience are under

01:27:12.460 the age of 18 you have you know kids eight-year-old kids on there as well you know nine-year-old kids

01:27:17.380 they're looking at this they think oh this woman she's an expert i've seen her on tiktok let me book

01:27:21.860 this surgery i'm starting to question myself this is what i need to do and it's so wrong i mean people

01:27:26.500 like that should not have a medical license they're abusing kids and you know doing this to a child

01:27:31.660 targeting a child like this is abuse this is why you're so important you're like libs of tiktok

01:27:36.840 you know you're immersed in this place and you find these videos and you can see how controversial

01:27:40.940 they are and you call our attention to them whereas you know most of us we're not on tiktok i'm not and

01:27:45.580 i wouldn't know where to go to find this stuff even if i were but you're using your prior pain and

01:27:50.600 experiences for good um another one was these democrats who walked out of the hearing last week

01:27:58.520 the house republicans are trying to have hearings on the amount of federal funds that are going to

01:28:03.520 help these so-called cross-gender uh medical procedures and when they try to offer real testimony

01:28:10.540 about what's being done to children and by whom and exactly how it is being done the democrats got up

01:28:17.940 and walked out uh let's start with sought 19. for the sake of clarity really i'd like to show

01:28:25.140 um a video a brief interview it was conducted by an expert in uh gender reassignment surgeries

01:28:33.900 uh from oregon's health care system madam chair madam chair i object i move that the committee adjourn

01:28:40.620 this has turned into a circus uh ms kamik madam chair the time she gets her five minutes and then

01:28:46.780 we'll move madam chair on the motion madam chair we don't want to be held hostage by whatever it is

01:28:54.880 that you guys are claiming my committee will come to order so uh ms kamik controls the time ms kamik

01:29:00.720 controls the time as you claim if if we do not understand how this surgeries work i would like

01:29:06.980 to show a video that articulates how these surgeries are conducted committee stands at recess while the

01:29:14.220 minority gets to look at the video we will watch the video okay

01:29:21.120 but no what happened was many democrats got up walked out refused to listen to the testimonial

01:29:29.340 about what they're doing to our children for those of you who didn't see it uh play out on c-span

01:29:34.380 here's a little bit of what the doctor said in the video that representative kat mackick uh kat kamik

01:29:41.100 played she serves florida's third congressional district listen talk 20 as a specialty um those

01:29:47.460 of us that do a fairly high volume of genital gender affirming surgery you know we've maybe done a

01:29:52.020 couple a handful of pubertally suppressed adolescence as a field and no one's published on it yet um

01:29:58.540 ohsu is we're just putting our first series together as we're kind of learning and figuring out what

01:30:04.060 works um but it's really changing things um because you don't have enough tissue to line

01:30:11.860 the vaginal canal so you either have to take a skin graft or take skin from elsewhere or use

01:30:17.960 artificial products how do you spend your days immersed in this ollie and not emerge and like

01:30:26.080 emerge bitter you know sick to your stomach i keep saying that works that's how i feel i how do you

01:30:33.020 how do you do that well it really it really is stomach churning i mean the fact that that guy

01:30:38.380 is talking about performing vaginoplasties on little kids is just absolutely sickening and the

01:30:43.540 fact that the democrats wouldn't even watch this video to see the horrors and this is a typical

01:30:48.260 tactic of particularly democrat politicians and trans activists lgbt activists they do not like to

01:30:53.940 have a discussion about this they'd rather shut you down call you a transphobe and move on so they

01:30:58.220 can continue doing this to kids but it's horrific you know i i research these videos these stories

01:31:02.980 on tiktok on social media and you know it's horrific but if i don't expose it you know

01:31:07.880 people aren't going to know this is happening so that's why i think it's so important that

01:31:11.600 we use our voices and our platforms no matter if you have one follower or a million followers

01:31:16.020 if we can share what's going on and stop turning a blind eye we can help make a difference because

01:31:20.380 just like these democrats they're trying to hide what's going on we need to expose it and keep

01:31:24.800 exposing the truth because we owe it to every single child and every single parent

01:31:29.040 oh they they're not just trying to indoctrinate our children it starts i mean in the cradle

01:31:35.440 in the cradle you called attention to this video of a mother trying to do trying to let her infant

01:31:42.320 signal which gender the infant was it's sat 17. what is riley

01:31:49.820 what are you yeah yeah yeah yeah are you a boy

01:31:58.300 are you a girl yeah are you both both okay that's fine you can be both if you want to oh my god

01:32:12.000 this is a trans parent trying to indoctrinate i don't know if it looks like a i guess it's a

01:32:19.140 mother uh her child for i mean the child can't even form words and where she's trying to pretend

01:32:25.000 that this is some sort of a gender selection ollie this is sick it's sick megan and they do this in

01:32:31.460 schools as well so you now see kindergartens teaching about pronouns about gender and being

01:32:35.860 trans and you know you even have sex books there was a book in australia that went viral recently and

01:32:40.820 this was a book age 11 plus and they were talking about anal sex and fingering and you know this is

01:32:46.540 a celebrated lgbt author and anyone that criticizes her it's called a transphobe so you know it really

01:32:52.420 is sick when they're pushing this on kids and the fact that that parent is pushing this on the kid that

01:32:56.580 kid has no chance by the time they get to 11 they're going to be on puberty blockers and hormones

01:33:01.000 they're going to have no chance to discover who they are on their own and i think that's really

01:33:04.840 really harmful that's this is one of the things that's upsetting to me because you have people even

01:33:09.020 republican ace the hutchinson saying things like this is a matter of parental rights and you know

01:33:13.160 we trust the parents to make good decisions well i don't trust that mother and in fact if you listen

01:33:16.840 to how that mother responded to the criticism that came her way i doubly don't trust her here's thought 18

01:33:22.140 do you hold every single person who posts anything about their child on social media

01:33:31.620 to the same standard or are you holding me to a higher standard because you do not agree with my

01:33:38.980 parenting style or my queerness at the end of the day i make all legal decisions for riley

01:33:45.620 right i'm the parent i'm the one who shit the fucker out i'm the one who takes care of them by

01:33:52.620 myself right and i know that you've done absolutely no research into my parenting style um but with

01:33:59.320 gender creative parenting um people who practice it effectively have chosen as a parenting style as

01:34:06.560 many people choose different parenting styles to not take the extra time to teach their child a false

01:34:13.640 reality to then have to reteach it later the correct way i i mean i want division of child

01:34:20.720 and family services to go in there and rescue that child i this this is why you do need state

01:34:25.780 intervention on certain things like you will not touch that child genitals or anything to sterilize

01:34:31.100 that child before he hits age 18 but the state will stop you how is that push going ollie in the laws

01:34:37.040 well thankfully this year there's been a real push back there's now over 20 states that have

01:34:42.560 banned gender affirming care although you do have some states which are being challenged by

01:34:46.620 judges and federal and state courts uh trying to block these laws so you know tennessee had an

01:34:51.680 issue with that but now it's gone through so you know there is progress but we need every single

01:34:56.380 state and every single country in the world to ban gender affirming care for minors because

01:35:00.980 whatever the argument these people like to use a child cannot consent if a child can't get a tattoo

01:35:06.280 or smoke or drive a car a child certainly can't make the decision to cut off their breasts

01:35:11.260 ollie london you're a gift all my best to you thank you thank you so much for being here

01:35:18.160 thank you the book is gender madness well well worth your time as is the follow on any social

01:35:24.340 media if you're gonna get on there at all follow ollie and you'll learn some horrors that you need

01:35:28.020 to know about before we go i want to tell you quickly tomorrow we have my friend gad sat here

01:35:32.160 later this week as i mentioned i'll be traveling down to florida to interview

01:35:35.820 governor ron de santis we were worried he was a report that he got in a car accident today

01:35:41.240 thank goodness he's okay so the interview's on and more importantly he's well and if you have

01:35:46.880 thoughts on what you would like to hear me ask the governor email me megan m-e-g-y-n

01:35:52.340 at megankelly.com should be fun we'll see you tomorrow

01:35:56.720 thanks for listening to the megan kelly show no bs no agenda and no fear

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 25, 2023

Disgusting Media Lies About Florida Curriculum, and Harms of Trans Extremism, with Oli London, Charles C.W. Cooke and William Allen ｜ Ep. 594

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