The Megyn Kelly Show - Exclusive Reaction From Rob O’Neill on Viral Bin Laden Letter, and Gayle King’s “Grossly Inappropriate” CBS Interview, with Dave Rubin

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.280 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.600 My first guest is the man everyone wants to hear from today, former Navy SEAL Rob O'Neill,

00:00:22.460 the man who shot and killed Osama bin Laden. He is here with his first reaction to the slew

00:00:27.060 of young Americans suddenly declaring themselves apparently big fans of the evil terrorist

00:00:32.360 behind the September 11th terror attacks. Rob's team says they have been inundated with interview

00:00:38.860 requests since this story made headlines around the world Wednesday after journalist Yashar Ali

00:00:44.040 first broke it. Rob is here with our audience first, which we really appreciate. My in-depth

00:00:50.880 interview with Rob way back in episode 109 on this show. We ran it over the Memorial Day weekend

00:00:58.040 in 2021 on the secret operation to take out bin Laden is my favorite interview ever. And that's

00:01:05.680 saying something. I've been at this for a long, long time. I recommend it to all of you and to

00:01:10.780 your kids if you want to bring them up to speed on the kinds of things that our American heroes do.

00:01:17.240 Before we bring on Rob, though, a refresher, a little refresher on 9-11, because while most of

00:01:23.780 you do not need it, this show is heard on multiple platforms by millions of people. And there is a

00:01:29.280 very real possibility that one of these TikTok influencers will actually hear it and maybe learn

00:01:34.620 something. Tuesday, September 11th, 2001 was a beautiful sunny morning in New York when at 7.59

00:01:42.560 a.m. American Airlines Flight 11 took off from Boston's Logan Airport, bound for Los Angeles.

00:01:48.520 On board 11 crew, 81 passengers, including five hijackers. Shortly after the hijackers took control,

00:01:56.180 terrorist Mohammed Atta was heard by air traffic control reassuring the frightened passengers that

00:02:01.880 if they stayed quiet, they'd be OK, that they were, quote, returning to the airport. In fact,

00:02:07.640 within 20 minutes, they would all be dead. When Flight 11, soaring over the Manhattan skyline,

00:02:14.140 slammed into floors 93 to 99 of the World Trade Center's North Tower.

00:02:19.640 This is class. And I think there's mates that we can't breathe. I don't know. I think we're getting

00:02:26.060 high-packed.

00:02:26.680 wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Something, somebody hit the World Trade Center or the...

00:02:44.940 it's a trade center.

00:02:45.320 Yeah, it's the World Trade Center.

00:02:46.180 called the World Trade Center.

00:02:56.180 reports this morning that a plane has crashed into the World Trade Center. We don't know

00:03:00.900 anything more than that. We don't know if it was a commercial aircraft. We have no idea.

00:03:07.020 Still in the air at that time, United Flight 175, also heading from Boston to L.A., carrying

00:03:14.400 nine crew and 56 passengers, including five hijackers, heading toward the South Tower.

00:03:20.700 Among others on board, the youngest victim of the terror attacks that day. Her name was Christine

00:03:25.960 Lee Hansen. She was two years old. Look at her. She would be 24 today. She was flying with her

00:03:33.480 parents to visit Disneyland. Christine was one of eight children who died in the attacks.

00:03:39.940 Brian Sweeney was another passenger. Brian called his wife, Julie, from the plane

00:03:44.040 with a final message of goodbye.

00:03:47.280 On an airplane, this one hijack. Things don't go well. I'm looking good. I just want you to know,

00:03:52.800 I absolutely love you. I want you to be good. I'm so happy to have your time. Same to my parents

00:03:58.480 and everybody. I just totally love you. And I'll see you next time. Bye, babe. What if I call you?

00:04:09.180 At 9.03 a.m., Flight 175, with Brian and little Christine on board, flew into floors 77 to 85

00:04:17.360 of the South Tower of the World Trade Center, then a symbol of American financial savvy and a beacon

00:04:23.160 of American architectural pride.

00:04:25.860 Imagine what Christine's parents must have been feeling in those final moments.

00:04:51.940 I'm sure they were holding their little girl, and they knew. They knew what she did not,

00:04:59.500 that she was about to die. Inside the towers, it was sheer panic. Emergency services became

00:05:05.760 overwhelmed with 911 calls. One was from 32-year-old Melissa Doy, who was trapped in the South Tower.

00:05:14.080 Melissa knew that she was dying. This is for you, new Bin Laden fans. Take a listen to the

00:05:20.160 desperation in Melissa's voice.

00:05:21.880 Breathe. Okay, stay calm with me, okay? I understand. I think there is fire because it's very hot.

00:05:28.120 Okay. It's very hot everywhere on the floor. Okay. I know you don't see it, and I know, but we

00:05:33.260 I'm going to document what you're saying, okay? It's very hot. I see no fire, but you see smoke, right?

00:05:40.520 It's very hot. I see, I don't see any air anymore. Okay. All I see is smoke. Okay, dear. I'm so sorry.

00:05:47.080 I hope I want to stay calm with me. Stay calm. Please. Listen, listen. The call is in. I'm documented.

00:05:52.660 I'm going to let those. Hold on one second, please. I'm going to die, aren't I? No, no, no, no, no, no.

00:05:57.340 I'm going to die. Ma'am, ma'am, ma'am, say your prayers. I'm going to die. We're going to be positive

00:06:02.220 because you've got to help each other get off the floor. I'm going to die. I know.

00:06:06.320 Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm. You're doing a good job, ma'am. You're doing a good job.

00:06:11.700 It's so hot. I'm burning up. Can you, can you? I already did that, ma'am. May I have a line with you,

00:06:16.680 please? Yes, ma'am. I just want to stay with you. I'm like I'm dying.

00:06:21.440 It took three years for Melissa's remains to be found. During that 911 call, Melissa asked the

00:06:27.120 operator if she could patch her through to her mother so she could say goodbye. The lines were so

00:06:32.160 busy, the operator could not do it. Think about that for a minute. Her last wish on earth was to hear

00:06:38.480 her mom's voice right before her murder. At the hands of the man, you're now cheering over on TikTok.

00:06:48.300 You heard Melissa talk about the intense heat and smoke. That's what caused some 200 innocent

00:06:54.040 Americans to jump to their deaths that day. This is a picture of a man who it's believed had to make

00:07:01.160 that choice. He's never been identified. The photo was widely criticized after it was published.

00:07:07.640 Many thought it was too disturbing. And it is. For years at Fox News, we weren't allowed to show

00:07:14.300 that. But it's images like these that help paint the picture of what those victims endured. The

00:07:22.080 decisions they were forced to make one beautiful Tuesday morning in America. That's how it started

00:07:27.920 before it turned to carnage. Which person to call? How to say goodbye? Whether to jump or be burned

00:07:36.080 alive in temperatures reaching 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit. And now we have a generation that's

00:07:42.080 starting to think maybe they deserved it. That the terrorist behind this act, he had some good

00:07:49.480 points. You should really read up on them. At 9.37 a.m., American Airlines Flight 77, heading from D.C. to L.A.

00:07:58.340 with six crew and 58 passengers, including five hijackers on board, slammed into the Pentagon.

00:08:04.480 In addition to those on board, another 125 were killed on the ground. By 9.45 a.m., the FAA ordered

00:08:12.940 all civil aircraft to land. All air traffic in America was grounded. The country was paralyzed.

00:08:19.400 And then there was United Flight 93. Just the two words Flight 93 have come to symbolize the

00:08:27.440 American spirit of courageous revolt in the face of evil. Headed from Newark to San Francisco,

00:08:34.900 you see all of these planes were gassed up for cross-country flights. The terrorists wanted the

00:08:38.560 biggest bombs possible. It carried seven crew and 37 passengers, including the four hijackers.

00:08:45.120 This plane was brought down over a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. The passengers,

00:08:51.200 knowing they were likely about to die, decided to storm the cockpit, a moment captured by a phone call

00:08:57.060 in which passenger Todd Beamer famously told the others, let's roll. All on board were killed.

00:09:04.960 The terrorists' target in Washington, D.C., believed to be the U.S. Capitol, was spared,

00:09:09.760 thanks to the bravery of those passengers. At 9.59 and 10.28 a.m. respectively, the south and north

00:09:19.140 towers of the World Trade Center came crashing down. It was a moment those of us who lived through it

00:09:24.740 will never forget. New York lost 441 first responders in that moment. Cops and firefighters

00:09:32.100 who were inside the towers, firemen climbing the 110 stairs into the danger, carrying some 100 pounds of

00:09:39.460 gear on them, without a care for their own safety, all dead in an instant, our best and bravest.

00:09:46.360 Their murderer now being cheered on over on TikTok.

00:09:50.880 As the buildings crumbled before our eyes, Americans nationwide cried together. We mourned together.

00:09:56.220 We held together in the face of sheer soul-shattering terror. Nearly 3,000 people were murdered that day.

00:10:04.840 Our fellow Americans, another 6,000 injured. To this day, 40 percent of the victims remain

00:10:10.840 unidentified. Not a fragment left of them to return to their loved ones. It would take nearly 10 years

00:10:17.900 for American intelligence to find the man behind this, Osama bin Laden. The same man now being lionized

00:10:27.160 by these clueless Gen Z know-nothings. We learned the news of bin Laden's death on the night of May 2nd,

00:10:35.680 2011. And when we heard it, Americans across the country cheered. Democrats, Republicans, old,

00:10:44.280 young, didn't matter. Gathering in front of the White House chanting, USA, USA. At ground zero,

00:10:52.500 they said the pledge of allegiance. USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA, USA.

00:11:07.200 We feel really, really vindicated that we finally got him. This is our generation's VE, VJ day. This

00:11:14.140 is our generation's victory and enduring freedom day. That's what today is. I'm proud of our military

00:11:18.900 I'm proud of our presidents, Bush and Obama.

00:11:21.900 You kill innocent American people, you're going to pay the price.

00:11:24.900 It's time to celebrate. It's the epitome of gratification.

00:11:28.900 American, where at least I know I'm free.

00:11:33.900 And I won't forget the man who died.

00:11:36.900 To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands,

00:11:42.900 one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

00:11:49.900 USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

00:12:00.900 In the years after 9-11, there were a few people who said America got what it deserved.

00:12:06.900 Former University of Colorado Boulder, Professor Ward Churchill comes to mind.

00:12:10.900 He wrote an essay calling the hijackers courageous and gallant.

00:12:14.900 He called some of the victims, quote,

00:12:16.900 little Eichmann's, comparing them to a Nazi war criminal.

00:12:20.900 A claim on which I once got the chance to challenge Professor Churchill.

00:12:26.900 What specifically you said about the financial workers who were in the World Trade Center,

00:12:30.900 because when I read your words written on the day of the attack,

00:12:34.900 I mean, while the bodies were still smoldering,

00:12:37.900 it sounded like you had a disdain.

00:12:40.900 You sound like not only do you blame them, but that you dislike them.

00:12:45.900 What I'm saying is for effect, in essence, the message is,

00:12:52.900 this is what it feels like to be treated this way.

00:12:55.900 Do you believe the United States ought to be bombed?

00:12:58.900 I think the United States, by its own rules, is subject to being bombed.

00:13:03.900 You can't answer the question.

00:13:05.900 Yeah, I have answered the question.

00:13:07.900 I think the United States should comply with law.

00:13:10.900 If it does not comply with law, it opens itself up to it.

00:13:14.900 Lord Churchill was widely condemned over his remarks.

00:13:21.900 At the time, he was an outlier with his radical views.

00:13:24.900 But as we know, it's become all too familiar now.

00:13:27.900 Blame America for everything.

00:13:29.900 Still, there is something particularly sick with these new videos.

00:13:33.900 These young people admit all it took was a quick read of Bin Laden's letter to reshape their entire worldview.

00:13:43.900 Everyone should read it.

00:13:45.900 If you haven't read it yet, read it.

00:13:47.900 However, be forewarned that this has left me very disillusioned.

00:13:52.900 And I feel the same exact way I felt when I was deconstructing Christianity.

00:13:57.900 I will never look at life the same.

00:13:59.900 I will never look at this country the same.

00:14:02.900 I will never...

00:14:04.900 Please read it.

00:14:06.900 And if you have read it, let me know if you are also going through an existential crisis in this very moment.

00:14:13.900 Because in the last 20 minutes, my entire viewpoint on the entire life I have believed and I have lived has changed.

00:14:23.900 I need you to stop what you're doing and go read A Letter to America.

00:14:27.900 It is literally the craziest thing I've read in a while.

00:14:30.900 And while I can't say that I'm that surprised, I am pretty shocked.

00:14:34.900 In reading the letter, I could only think of this tweet that I saw the other day.

00:14:37.900 Under settler colonialism, any kind of resistance is branded as terrorist because the only acceptable violence is violence by the occupier.

00:14:45.900 So mind-fucking to me that terrorism has been sold as this idea to the American people and honestly just so many Western inhabitants within certain nations that this group of people, this random group of people just suddenly wakes up one day and just fucking hates you.

00:15:03.900 And once you've gone and this is all because they believe that they're better than us.

00:15:06.900 Like that is the root of terrorism in this letter.

00:15:08.900 It becomes apparent to me that the actions of 9-11 and those acts committed against the USA and its people were all just the buildup of our government failing other nations.

00:15:20.900 This letter was insanely eye-opening.

00:15:22.900 I really urge everybody to Google and read it because I thought that I had quite a lot of media literacy, but this takes it to a whole nother fucking level where I was just like, holy shit, like propaganda is genuinely so deeply embedded into our fucking DNA.

00:15:37.900 The way this letter is going viral right now is giving me the greatest sense of relief.

00:15:41.900 If you're Muslim and you've lived in the U.S. since 9-11, you know more truth than the typical citizen.

00:15:46.900 Now it's all coming to light because of Palestine.

00:15:49.900 How can they be so weak, so uninformed, so pathetic, so hateful toward our own country?

00:16:09.660 How dare they think of those 3,000 dead Americans and conclude bin Laden had a point.

00:16:13.840 In the two military campaigns that followed 9-11, nearly 7,000 U.S. military personnel were killed.

00:16:20.840 Millions more were deployed to fight abroad so that these kids now cheering bin Laden could be safe at home in their cradles.

00:16:28.840 Then they grew up and instead of gratitude for the freedom so many fought to ensure, they're siding with the terrorists.

00:16:36.840 Robert O'Neill is a U.S. Navy SEAL combat veteran.

00:16:41.840 He's also the host of the podcast, The Operator.

00:16:44.840 That's the name of his 2017 book as well, which we highly recommend buying and reading.

00:16:49.840 Rob, thank you for being here today.

00:16:52.840 Thank you for your service, and it's an honor to have you on this day of all days.

00:16:56.840 I can't believe my eyes and ears.

00:16:59.840 I can't believe my eyes and ears.

00:17:02.840 What's your reaction to all of this?

00:17:04.840 Well, thank you, first of all, for having me, Megan.

00:17:06.840 I appreciate it.

00:17:07.840 There's a lot of thoughts in there.

00:17:09.840 I mean, they obviously got scrambled just now listening again to the voices of the people saying goodbye to their loved ones when the only thing that mattered to them was love,

00:17:18.840 were their family and their tight circle that they have.

00:17:20.840 And none of the other stuff mattered anymore because it's all about to end.

00:17:23.840 The realization that it's all over.

00:17:25.840 Everything that you thought mattered no longer matters.

00:17:27.840 Your credit card debt doesn't matter.

00:17:28.840 The mortgage doesn't matter.

00:17:29.840 It just matters that someone knows that your mom knows that you love her, that you can hear her voice and things like that.

00:17:34.840 And then I think about how a lot of people the age of the tick tockers, they they're acting surprised that they just read this letter and they're almost acting insulted like nobody showed me this.

00:17:47.840 It's it's that's proof right there that you are not learning history, a recent history.

00:17:52.840 Not in 2001 is not that long ago.

00:17:54.840 That means they're not teaching you history.

00:17:56.840 They're doing what they can to erase history because so many people have been taught to hate their history and that we're the oppressors.

00:18:02.840 And we just discovered something by Bin Laden and wow.

00:18:05.840 And they love existential existence and all the things like that.

00:18:08.840 And that it's the occupiers that are wrong because they saw how they were responding to the Palestinian Israel conflict.

00:18:15.840 And they knew they could use the exact same thing with the exact same victimhood argument.

00:18:19.840 And a lot of these people, not only were they not raised to learn history and hopefully not repeat it, they're taught the entire time they're victims the way that the that Mao Zedong did it in China by dividing by class.

00:18:32.840 They're dividing by race.

00:18:33.840 And that's all they want to do.

00:18:34.840 And they say the bad ones are the only ones who aren't on the big LTG BQ or whatever it is flag.

00:18:40.840 They're learning victimhood.

00:18:41.840 They're learning that they're trying to be taught through propaganda on TikTok that Bin Laden was was a victim himself.

00:18:48.840 And so are these conquered lands that they call them where we have our bases and that American taxpayers by paying taxes are also legit military targets, because that's the only thing we understand is that.

00:18:59.840 And I mean, this is precisely the reason that I've said they should before the Pledge of Allegiance in public schools in this country that are funded by federal taxpayers.

00:19:07.840 They should be forced to watch 10 minutes of 9-11, hopefully not forced, because that sounds authoritarian.

00:19:12.840 But the way that they're pumping this propaganda into that's forced right there.

00:19:15.840 And these people have no idea what they're talking about.

00:19:18.840 They have no idea.

00:19:20.840 They they look at Bin Laden as just this Palestine sympathizer who was trying to stand up for the little guy, Rob.

00:19:28.840 I mean, that's what these videos espouse like.

00:19:31.840 Oh, poor Bin Laden.

00:19:33.840 He was a champion of the brown skin, oppressed Palestinians.

00:19:38.840 What bullshit?

00:19:39.840 If you go on even the letter that they're now touting, if they would keep reading, they get to the part where he's very critical of the way Americans treat their women as equal citizens and allow them to wear what they want and work and be in the public service industry.

00:19:55.840 He was really pissed off about those things.

00:19:58.840 They think, you know, if only we hadn't supported Israel, this wouldn't have happened to us if we hadn't been.

00:20:03.840 What did they say?

00:20:04.840 The the settler colonializers that, you know, this wouldn't have happened.

00:20:08.840 We brought it upon ourselves.

00:20:09.840 They say it right there.

00:20:10.840 9-11 is now clear.

00:20:12.840 All the buildup of our own government failing others.

00:20:15.840 The propaganda we've been fed.

00:20:17.840 She means about how bad Bin Laden was.

00:20:20.840 It's now in our DNA and now she sees the truth.

00:20:23.840 But yeah, that's that's unbelievable, too.

00:20:26.840 And if you do a quick rewind, you can find maybe some of these videos.

00:20:30.840 The first people to cheer for all the dead Americans in lower Manhattan and Pennsylvania and in Washington, D.C., the first people cheering were Palestinians.

00:20:38.840 And I mean, that that tells you something right there with their mindset towards us.

00:20:41.840 It's not like the day before they were on our team or anything like that.

00:20:45.840 They also what Bin Laden mentions in the letter is he sort of says, you know, we all kind of just want to live in peace.

00:20:51.840 And then pretty much in parentheses under Sharia law that you need to be required that and not just not just that his version of Wahhabist Sunni Islam.

00:21:02.840 There are videos, too, of ISIS rolling through Syria pulling over before anyone really knew they were there pulling over truck drivers.

00:21:10.840 And they got them out and said, you need to recite this prayer.

00:21:12.840 And they would recite the prayer.

00:21:13.840 But it wasn't exactly the way they wanted.

00:21:15.840 They were executed right away.

00:21:17.840 And you talk about the I mean, the Sharia law, you can have up to four wives.

00:21:21.840 I don't think a lot of progressive women in this country would like that.

00:21:24.840 You're not allowed to work.

00:21:25.840 You're certainly not allowed to vote in a lot of places under strict Sharia.

00:21:28.840 You're not allowed to leave the house.

00:21:30.840 That doesn't sound like something that women should be cheering for.

00:21:32.840 And it just it goes to show you how up is down, down is up.

00:21:35.840 And I don't think any of this is by accident.

00:21:37.840 If you go back even to the early 70s, guys like John Kerry were misquoting Genghis Khan, as he said it, talking about atrocities that Americans have committed in Vietnam.

00:21:47.840 And then that's right when, you know, it's before I was born, right when Joe Biden's getting into office.

00:21:51.840 A lot of the same names in there with the same rhetoric, with the same plans to bring chaos to this country.

00:21:56.840 A lot of reasons, you know, I don't want to get into that right now, but a lot of it's for their personal power.

00:21:59.840 But we're still hearing from John Kerry. He's the climate guru or whatever the hell he is.

00:22:03.840 And they're still there. Same people, same names.

00:22:06.840 America bad.

00:22:07.840 And, you know, do as I say, not as I do.

00:22:09.840 I fly to Davos in my private jet to eat steak.

00:22:11.840 I want you to eat bugs and walk everywhere.

00:22:13.840 Mm hmm.

00:22:14.840 It's a good point about Sharia law.

00:22:16.840 This generation was still like 10, 11 when we were dealing with like the overwhelming reports, not the not just the ongoing terrorism that they were trying to unleash in America, but the reports about what they did to women under Sharia law and how they wanted to bring it here.

00:22:32.840 And how I mean, not from from like getting killed, if you draw the Prophet Muhammad to getting these so-called honor killings for women who decided to look more Western just because they were in a family of radical Islamists.

00:22:45.840 And they decided to show a knee or wear a skirt or, God forbid, stray on their partner in a relationship.

00:22:52.840 It's considered honorable to kill them.

00:22:54.840 You're allowed to do it.

00:22:55.840 And let's just say it, genital mutilation.

00:22:59.840 They mutilate the genitals of their young girls coming of age so that they can never achieve sexual gratification.

00:23:06.840 Don't believe me.

00:23:08.840 Just ask Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who was born into a group that effectively was the mother Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists did that to her.

00:23:17.840 She's got a few things to say about it.

00:23:19.840 So this is what they're cheering, right?

00:23:21.840 This is the guy.

00:23:22.840 This poor guy.

00:23:23.840 He's just a champion of the underdog, Rob.

00:23:25.840 You know, their eyes have been opened.

00:23:28.840 Yeah, that's unbelievable.

00:23:30.840 I think their eyes are open.

00:23:31.840 I mean, they're very, very astute on the Internet.

00:23:34.840 So I recommend that they go look at videos and just find out the difference between getting stoned here and getting stoned in Pakistan.

00:23:41.840 Not very cool.

00:23:42.840 And that's simply because maybe they saw a woman's ankle.

00:23:44.840 And that's when they, you know, bury them in a hole, keep their head out.

00:23:47.840 And the men of the town throw rocks at their head until they kill them.

00:23:50.840 And that's normal.

00:23:51.840 There's been honor killings here in the United States because the dishonor that a young girl for not dating someone in their strict sect of Islam is not doing.

00:24:00.840 And the genital mutilation, they're making sure women cannot enjoy sex because they're not supposed to.

00:24:05.840 They are there simply to pump out babies, period.

00:24:08.840 That's it.

00:24:09.840 And Sharia, I mean, I've seen it.

00:24:11.840 It's not a pretty sight.

00:24:12.840 And it seems like everywhere the radicals go, they never want to assimilate with the society.

00:24:17.840 They want to bring it to them and they're going to conquer the world.

00:24:19.840 We've had people like Muammar Gaddafi from Libya, who was killed in the Arab Spring, say that we are going to we, meaning the Muslim world, are going to conquer the West and we won't need to fire a shot because they know that they're going to move to places they're going to infiltrate.

00:24:31.840 And they know that we're so weak as a society because of political correctness.

00:24:35.840 Like, look at the attacks on October 7th.

00:24:38.840 Pretty soon the White House is saying, well, we've got to watch out for Islamophobia.

00:24:41.840 I mean, we should also watch out for a little bit of the anti-Israel, anti-Semitic stuff where there are people over there that were so desensitized because of movies and video games in Hollywood.

00:24:51.840 You've got to realize these people crossed the border.

00:24:54.060 It wasn't just Hamas.

00:24:55.000 It was innocent Palestinian civilians crossing through and performing what would be your worst nightmare.

00:25:01.880 Stuff I can't even think about because of just the stuff that I've already seen.

00:25:05.960 I've seen stuff, nothing close to this.

00:25:08.460 And these people lived it because that's a version of the Sharia law.

00:25:11.560 And you'll notice with the ceasefire, Hamasis are calling it for a ceasefire because they love death.

00:25:17.320 We have – Colombia here is calling for ceasefire or a pause.

00:25:22.460 What do you think is going to happen when they have a ceasefire?

00:25:24.200 They're going to rebuild – it's like when we were bombing Germany to get to the Nazis and wipe them out.

00:25:30.480 We weren't going to take a ceasefire.

00:25:32.360 We never said, well, what about all the good things that Hitler – those great ideas that maybe he had.

00:25:37.340 Stuff like that.

00:25:37.740 It doesn't happen that way.

00:25:38.620 When you wipe someone out, you need to wipe them out.

00:25:40.320 And we've just become soft because we've had it so good.

00:25:43.180 And they don't even – these students don't realize living in a country this great is the reason they have it so good to say ridiculous stuff like this being taught by teachers, professors who don't really know anything either.

00:25:53.520 Yeah.

00:25:54.160 I think about you.

00:25:55.360 I think about you.

00:25:56.260 We've talked about it.

00:25:57.160 I mentioned the episode 109 to go back and listen to the whole thing, which you absolutely should.

00:26:01.500 I consider it like required listening.

00:26:03.740 Next time you take a two-hour trip, you put it on in your car and you just listen to it.

00:26:07.020 It was amazing, not because of me, but because of Rob O'Neill.

00:26:09.320 And you'll get chills.

00:26:11.060 You'll get chills many times.

00:26:12.300 You'll probably cry.

00:26:13.260 You'll want to stand on your feet and cheer.

00:26:15.400 It's just it had all the elements of it.

00:26:16.980 But I think about you.

00:26:17.880 I think about you at that compound in Abbottabad, risking your life, all the guys around you risking their lives.

00:26:23.840 Put a bullet between that man's eyes.

00:26:25.320 And as I said in the intro, these kids are in their cradles back at home safe because of you.

00:26:30.620 And now they come out and cheer for him.

00:26:33.300 Now they read his words in a two-page letter on TikTok and say, my whole worldview has changed.

00:26:41.880 It's all America's fault.

00:26:44.060 I mean, the insult to you and your guys.

00:26:46.300 Well, the human aspect, the humanity of the people, the sacrifices the people who went on that mission made, from the Navy SEALs to the explosive ordnance guys, obviously the pilots.

00:26:58.120 But think about the air crew, the guys on the helicopters making sure they could fly, making sure the doors could open.

00:27:03.280 Each one of us had families that would miss us.

00:27:05.140 Each one of us would be just as dead if we got hit with a missile.

00:27:07.220 And we all said goodbye to our kids, looking them in the eyes.

00:27:10.540 You know, this is going to be it.

00:27:12.000 This is the last time I see you and you're seven years old.

00:27:14.320 But we're going to do it.

00:27:15.160 Think about the woman who found bin Laden.

00:27:17.100 She gave up her life to find him.

00:27:18.760 No husband, no kids, nothing like that.

00:27:20.980 She did everything seven days a week, pretty much 20 hours a day because she knew what an asshole this guy was and how bad we needed to catch him.

00:27:27.440 Simply to kill him, get rid of what he was running to try to hurt everybody, but most importantly, to prove that we could, to prove that we have patriots in this country.

00:27:35.640 And that's what I think we're we're losing right now.

00:27:38.460 I mean, we have the state of California turning California into even a more communist state just because the biggest communist in the world is coming here and they're kissing his ass.

00:27:47.160 And I mean, they're making.

00:27:49.100 Yeah, we'll make deals with climate change, blah, blah, blah, buy our stuff.

00:27:52.240 That's all they're doing.

00:27:53.120 And they see the weakness.

00:27:54.460 They see what they've done.

00:27:55.080 This was the plan the entire time.

00:27:56.220 And this is we're sooner than I thought that we are seeing the effects of the infiltration of actual fascists who were, by the way, very good at admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations about that they're blaming other people for the stuff that they're doing.

00:28:09.980 It's all happening at once.

00:28:11.140 I'm surprised about the bin Laden thing.

00:28:12.740 But, hey, he played the victim card.

00:28:14.200 Now the victims are just jumping in the big victim boat with him.

00:28:17.620 Yeah, well, they're loving it.

00:28:18.720 They're like, oh, look at all the good company that I have in here.

00:28:20.880 To the point you were making about the Palestinians, I just saw the first, what I think is the first poll.

00:28:26.500 It was done by the Arab World for Research and Development.

00:28:30.320 So it doesn't seem like this would be a group that would be anti-Palestinian or in any way trying to skew it in a way that would make Arabs look unfairly bad.

00:28:40.380 Here's what they said.

00:28:41.620 How much do you support the military operation?

00:28:43.500 That's what they call it.

00:28:44.500 Carried out by the Palestinian resistance.

00:28:46.460 Again, that's what they call it.

00:28:47.820 Led by Hamas on October 7th.

00:28:49.400 So, obviously, this is a pro-Palestine group.

00:28:52.100 You know what they said?

00:28:52.780 75% support it.

00:28:54.680 75% of the Palestinians, those peaceful Palestinians, support the, quote, military operation that was unleashed on Israel on October 7th.

00:29:05.380 How do you view the role of Hamas?

00:29:07.140 76% positive.

00:29:08.980 Positively.

00:29:10.240 76%.

00:29:10.800 They are pro-Hamas there.

00:29:12.960 Yes, there's some small contingent that's not.

00:29:15.200 But the overwhelming majority in Palestine right now is, like, right on.

00:29:19.800 Israel deserved it.

00:29:20.900 And, by the way, same group.

00:29:22.560 97.6% hate America.

00:29:25.960 Very negative views of America.

00:29:28.120 This is who they're in lot with.

00:29:30.080 Yeah.

00:29:30.940 I mean, think about this.

00:29:32.520 Israel's the little Satan.

00:29:34.240 They're just over there.

00:29:35.300 They're the only democracy in that part of the world that can be attacked easily because they're there.

00:29:38.420 We're the great Satan over here.

00:29:39.580 And don't think they've forgotten about us because they've told us, they've told me to my face, you have the clocks, but we have the time.

00:29:46.420 And I like to keep it simple.

00:29:47.780 I like to try to master the basics.

00:29:49.280 If you can get good at the easy stuff, the big stuff should follow.

00:29:51.940 There are three very, I think, very good points to bring up.

00:29:55.280 Here's how you can tell who the good guys and the bad guys are.

00:29:57.820 If Hamas threw their weapons into the Mediterranean Sea right now, there would be peace.

00:30:03.000 If Israel did, there would be genocide.

00:30:05.080 You think they would stop it where they stopped?

00:30:06.760 No.

00:30:07.120 They wouldn't at all.

00:30:08.040 That's proof right there.

00:30:08.520 Ask these people, who would you rather be captured by, the Israeli Defense Force or Hamas?

00:30:14.700 That should tell you right there who the bad guys are.

00:30:16.400 And this is from a personal, just a personal experience.

00:30:19.880 When I was the first guy into Osama Bin Laden's bedroom, I shot Bin Laden three times.

00:30:24.060 His two-year-old son was right there, as was his wife, Amal.

00:30:27.820 I did put my hands on his young son because I realized as a father, this poor kid has nothing to do with this.

00:30:34.380 And I moved him out of the way because I didn't want him to be in danger.

00:30:37.540 And I moved the wife.

00:30:38.960 As I was doing that for their protection, put Hamas in my shoes.

00:30:42.720 They're thinking about raping her.

00:30:44.580 And they did.

00:30:45.800 That's not what the good guys do.

00:30:47.120 That is what the savages do.

00:30:48.480 That's what they did.

00:30:49.400 And that's whose side these college kids are trying to be a part of.

00:30:52.680 And we talked about this the other day, the barbarity of it.

00:30:55.900 It wasn't even in this warped view of like, well, they deserved it.

00:30:59.280 You know, no one's a civilian in Israel.

00:31:01.540 This is what we've been hearing.

00:31:03.500 They took a woman.

00:31:05.040 They raped her repeatedly.

00:31:06.420 Several men, when she died, after they shot her in the head, they continued raping her.

00:31:12.000 They continued raping her dead body.

00:31:14.280 They cut off her breast and played with it like a ball.

00:31:16.560 My apologies to the audience for such a casual reference of such a terrible thing.

00:31:20.460 But this is who we're dealing with.

00:31:22.140 And these people, these college students, these Gen Zers want to be like, well, you know,

00:31:26.780 they've been oppressed, you know, so that it was like all's fair in love and war.

00:31:30.720 No, these are barbarians who have the overwhelming support of the Palestinians

00:31:35.460 who are protecting and hiding them right now, trying to help exit Hamas

00:31:41.040 out on the injured list as they leave to Egypt.

00:31:45.060 It's all a lie.

00:31:46.120 They're pro-Hamas in Palestine.

00:31:49.920 Yeah, they certainly are, too.

00:31:51.260 And I mean, even getting to the depravity of what these people have been taught about Israel,

00:31:56.220 when they were done cutting off body parts, raping dead people, putting babies into ovens,

00:32:00.760 they did that.

00:32:01.600 Then they called their parents to brag about it.

00:32:03.400 Are you proud of me?

00:32:03.980 Put mom on the phone.

00:32:05.020 Then they sat down as the bodies were still on the ground of the Jewish people

00:32:08.220 and ate the breakfast they had prepared for their families on that day of rest, that holy day.

00:32:13.600 And then more and more innocent Palestinian civilians kept coming across the border,

00:32:17.840 burning stuff down, looting stuff.

00:32:19.080 God forbid they found survivors, but who knows what they did with the dead people.

00:32:21.720 And they're not just raping women.

00:32:23.440 I mean, this is, like I said before, the simplest way to describe this is imagine

00:32:27.920 your worst nightmare.

00:32:30.040 Imagine something so terrifying that happens to you at three in the morning in your house

00:32:33.380 when you're by yourself and you're so scared you don't even want to go look at it.

00:32:36.140 And then all of a sudden it shows up and it's the devil and there's not just one of them.

00:32:39.840 That's what they lived through.

00:32:42.440 You know, a couple of things on this letter and this TikTok thing.

00:32:46.160 As I mentioned, it was broken by Yashar Ali, who he gets these very interesting scoops.

00:32:50.380 He's a he's an intrepid, independent reporter.

00:32:52.880 And he saw this trend on TikTok and sent out a tweet on it, a post on X,

00:32:59.280 and then it caught fire and so on.

00:33:00.720 Well, now the Washington Post running cover for TikTok, very clearly a manipulated piece

00:33:05.840 by TikTok, runs a piece like, well, it's all Yashar Ali's fault.

00:33:09.360 It wasn't really a big trend.

00:33:11.240 It's that, you know, this guy hadn't amplified it.

00:33:13.060 You know, this wouldn't have happened.

00:33:13.960 It's not the Chinese.

00:33:14.980 Like, they didn't do that.

00:33:15.960 It's not TikTok.

00:33:16.860 It's really this one.

00:33:18.100 And yet they only point out there was the one hashtag that wasn't getting as much traction

00:33:22.900 as some of their other trends.

00:33:23.940 It was getting millions.

00:33:25.000 It's been seen two million times.

00:33:26.120 Uh, but there was a hashtag letter to America, which is what he called his letter, uh, Bin

00:33:31.320 Laden.

00:33:31.920 But there were many, many other trends going on TikTok at the same time that just didn't

00:33:35.920 have that hashtag with it.

00:33:37.560 Right.

00:33:37.780 They ignore that.

00:33:38.940 TikTok does.

00:33:39.980 Washington Post does.

00:33:41.060 They don't want any responsibility for this.

00:33:43.100 And to me, Rob, the point is not even that it was, it was amplified or called to our attention.

00:33:47.240 It's how many people glommed onto it.

00:33:48.960 They were like, yes, me too.

00:33:50.540 I'm interested.

00:33:51.420 It's changed my, look, my whole life, my worldview.

00:33:53.580 Yeah, it is with the media too.

00:33:57.340 And, and, you know, there's better than anybody, just the way they can try to change the story

00:34:00.440 where they put it or the headline they give it.

00:34:03.180 When we have all those, uh, uh, peaceful Jewish protesters in DC, it didn't even make the front

00:34:07.140 page of the Washington Post, which is right there.

00:34:08.860 And then they changed the headlines to, uh, they talk about a woman who, who went missing

00:34:13.220 during the Hamas, um, attack, they might've called it.

00:34:16.700 And now she's died.

00:34:17.740 That's kind of, it's not really saying exactly what happened because she was kidnapped, tortured,

00:34:21.340 raped, and murdered.

00:34:22.520 That's what they do.

00:34:23.160 And the, and part of the issue too, when we talk about, uh, the education of people,

00:34:26.680 you got to figure not every local news station can afford to send investigative reporters

00:34:30.540 places.

00:34:30.860 So they have like the associated press or the Washington Post, the New York times who

00:34:34.220 were no longer, I mean, they're, they're, they're just pushing an agenda.

00:34:36.900 They have to put that on the wire.

00:34:38.360 And then local newspapers, like in my hometown of Butte, Montana, they get that crap.

00:34:41.960 And then the, the locals there read it and they're spreading that's actual propaganda

00:34:45.740 right there.

00:34:46.240 And it's certainly not from multiple sources, single source.

00:34:49.240 And I can't even say liberal anymore.

00:34:51.080 It's leftist.

00:34:51.940 It's, it's communist because true liberals are totally against us.

00:34:55.120 I mean, if you, if you listen to guys like my friend, Piers Morgan, who's a liberal, but

00:34:58.320 in the, in the good sense, uh, you know, jabbing at him, if there is such a thing.

00:35:02.300 But yeah, but, uh, now that he's getting the stuff classical though.

00:35:06.120 Yeah.

00:35:06.360 Yeah.

00:35:06.580 And, um, like classical liberals should not agree with this type of Sharia law, but these,

00:35:10.720 these college kids that are on campus, like, uh, pounding on the, the doors of libraries

00:35:17.060 where Jewish kids have locked themselves in the mobs outside.

00:35:19.720 I mean, this is how it starts.

00:35:21.260 And you always say, never forget, but we keep forgetting that part.

00:35:24.460 We keep forgetting to never forget.

00:35:25.880 We'll never do this again.

00:35:26.800 I mean, they're, we're, we're at a point, this is not far away from, uh, the night of

00:35:31.000 broken glass where they're, I mean, we're like, well, they're doing this, but they're

00:35:34.300 not painting stars of David on businesses.

00:35:36.600 Well, they certainly are.

00:35:37.660 There's painting them on houses too.

00:35:38.960 They're tearing down signs of kidnap babies.

00:35:41.020 This is how it starts.

00:35:41.860 They're doing it again.

00:35:42.680 And I, never in a million years did, I think we would forget the Holocaust and nine 11 and

00:35:46.660 nine 11, that that would be wiped out, which is in recent history.

00:35:49.860 So I'll just give you a flavor for the morons who are doing this.

00:35:52.620 There's one woman associated with these videos on Tik TOK.

00:35:55.680 Her name is Lynette Adkins.

00:35:57.780 All right.

00:35:58.160 So here is just a little bit of how she sounded in the Tik TOK video.

00:36:02.260 Watch this.

00:36:03.720 You never want to stop what they're doing right now and go read.

00:36:06.360 It's literally two pages.

00:36:07.720 Go read a letter to America and please come back here and just let me know what you think,

00:36:13.760 because I feel like I'm going through like an existential crisis right now.

00:36:16.620 And a lot of people are, so I just need someone else to be feeling this too.

00:36:21.320 Lynette, you're a moron.

00:36:22.900 Um, I want to tell you a little bit about Lynette.

00:36:26.040 So her video received roughly 800,000 views, over 80,000 likes on Tik TOK like that.

00:36:31.860 By the way, if you're wondering what was in this letter to America that bin Laden wrote,

00:36:34.860 I'm not going to repeat this terrorist words, but it was basically America sucks.

00:36:38.280 Palestine's the best.

00:36:39.720 Uh, America's an oppressor.

00:36:41.000 And also put on some clothing, American ladies.

00:36:45.000 It was like, I mean, that's basically the musings that have changed her life.

00:36:49.920 Um, she had 177,000 followers.

00:36:54.200 Now she's deleted her profile.

00:36:56.140 Good.

00:36:56.700 Means she got some good pushback.

00:36:58.460 She describes herself as an online personality.

00:37:01.380 She's a pro-Palestinian activist.

00:37:03.340 She's 25 years old.

00:37:04.840 She makes $200,000 a year with her fashion tip videos.

00:37:09.120 This is who was, we're having influence the national conversation.

00:37:11.600 And, uh, she's based in LA, 37,000 followers.

00:37:14.820 I said that.

00:37:15.620 And, and you know what she's got all over her Instagram page, Rob?

00:37:18.720 Bunch of bikini shots.

00:37:20.840 Bunch of bikini.

00:37:21.800 Now you tell me how her pal, Osama bin Laden would feel about these photos and Lynette's

00:37:29.220 take on being a Western woman.

00:37:32.220 Yeah, that's, I mean, that's hypocrisy at its finest right there.

00:37:35.240 Cause again, this is, they've never been taught what actually happens.

00:37:38.480 They don't understand history cause it's never been taught to them.

00:37:40.800 They, they frown on, I mean, they've even got the point where in the, the, the most liberal

00:37:44.440 Muslim nations, they have what's called burkinis, which are the same as a burka, but you can

00:37:48.080 just wear them in the water.

00:37:48.920 I mean, technically you can wear any burka in the water.

00:37:50.980 That's neither here nor there, but yeah, bin Laden doesn't go for that too.

00:37:53.420 And another thing too, as a, as a, as a leftist in Los Angeles, I know they're big on

00:37:57.400 separation of church and state.

00:37:58.760 You don't need to worry about with the, with Sharia cause there is no state.

00:38:02.160 It's just church.

00:38:03.000 It's just the mosque.

00:38:04.360 And you, if you think going to church once a week is bad, they're doing it five times

00:38:08.200 a day, piping the prayers in there.

00:38:09.480 And you better do that too, because they're not going to treat you well.

00:38:11.880 They're a lot of their punishment is not that good.

00:38:14.020 You steal a loaf of bread because you're so poor because the economy, they cut your hand

00:38:17.360 off and that's getting off light.

00:38:20.120 So what do you, when you look at these, you know, young people, cause it's not just these

00:38:23.200 people on Tik TOK, the same people who are sympathizing with the Hamas terrorists.

00:38:28.180 And here I do draw a distinction between, you know, the Israel Palestinian, Palestinian

00:38:32.840 conflict has gone back a long way.

00:38:34.340 You can have different feelings on it.

00:38:35.840 I don't think you're necessarily antisemitic just because you see this as a complicated

00:38:39.360 situation, but you look at 10 seven and say, well, he's to be contextualized.

00:38:44.140 You have any reaction other than that was terror, inexcusable team Israel in response to that.

00:38:50.940 There's something wrong with you.

00:38:52.400 There's something wrong with you.

00:38:53.420 So it's the same people, all these people who are online right now doing this with Bin

00:38:57.720 Laden are pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas.

00:39:00.720 None of them thinks Israel has any nobility, has done, has tried to do the right thing,

00:39:08.040 which is what history shows us.

00:39:09.800 So what's your message to them, Rob?

00:39:11.500 What, what do you want them to hear from you?

00:39:13.920 Well, I would like them to get educated, understand what's actually going on and that who, I mean,

00:39:19.700 who the actual good guys are too.

00:39:21.440 I mean, bad stuff happens at war.

00:39:22.680 I don't, I've been to war a lot and I, I don't want there to be war ever again.

00:39:25.880 I hate it.

00:39:26.260 And I truly believe that most people are good and they want to get on with their lives.

00:39:29.780 But when you get to the bad eggs, there's some bad people there and they, they're,

00:39:32.900 they're attracting all of this, but they're smart enough to realize that they can get

00:39:36.260 to the head of the uneducated Americans who don't know what they're doing.

00:39:38.820 If they just know that Israel's bad occupier on TikTok, but haven't done any research

00:39:43.100 whatsoever, they're going to be using it against them.

00:39:45.920 I, I really want, I mean, if I could, if I could make it happen, I would want every

00:39:50.280 single American and actually every Westerner to get to lower Manhattan, go through the

00:39:53.720 nine 11 Memorial museum and, and don't plan on doing anything afterwards.

00:39:58.280 And after you do that, go to the Holocaust museum in Washington, DC, again, don't plan

00:40:01.560 on doing anything after, but reflect on what actually happened.

00:40:03.820 And the realization, this is not a movie.

00:40:06.000 This is not a video game.

00:40:07.520 This is, these are real horrors and that's putting it lightly with really, really bad guys

00:40:11.840 again, putting it, putting it lightly and they would do much worse to you.

00:40:16.200 Uh, you're not going to be waving that rainbow flag in anywhere over there.

00:40:20.400 Uh, God forbid you were in the, in the West bank, the way that I put it, if you want the

00:40:24.040 quickest way to go to flight school is to say that you're gay because they'll throw you

00:40:27.420 right off a building.

00:40:29.400 Right.

00:40:30.260 That's exactly it.

00:40:31.460 Rob O'Neill.

00:40:32.580 Love talking to you.

00:40:33.620 Love your points of view.

00:40:34.800 I'm very grateful to you for being on today.

00:40:36.820 All the best to you.

00:40:38.260 Thank you, Megan.

00:40:38.940 Anytime.

00:40:39.460 Appreciate it.

00:40:39.980 Such a special guy.

00:40:42.160 We are so lucky he's on our side and it was willing to do the things he has done,

00:40:46.760 which by the way, go well beyond the raid on Abbottabad and, and, and bin Laden.

00:40:52.020 You've got to go back and listen to that episode.

00:40:53.780 Trust me when I tell you, trust me.

00:40:55.460 I've said before, if you don't like that episode 109 between Rob O'Neill and yours truly,

00:41:00.340 I can't please you.

00:41:01.540 It's the best I can do.

00:41:03.520 Uh, the most interesting person with the most fascinating stories.

00:41:06.940 And again, it goes well beyond nine 11.

00:41:08.960 God bless him and all of those who serve when we come back, Dave Rubin.

00:41:16.140 From the ridiculous tick talkers in our first block to the ridiculous media and their biased

00:41:20.700 coverage of the war in the middle East in our next journey.

00:41:23.360 Now, Dave Rubin host of the Rubin report.

00:41:26.800 Dave, welcome back to the show.

00:41:28.920 What do you make of, uh, these?

00:41:30.920 I do think it's interesting now that the Washington post is running cover for tick

00:41:34.700 talk, just taking the tick tock numbers like, Oh, Hey, you know, they didn't really have

00:41:39.060 anything going there until this evil journalist decided to make something out of it.

00:41:42.940 And honestly, any critical media would say, this is tick tock trying to manipulate me,

00:41:47.440 which is its business as opposed to just being a stenographer for tick tock.

00:41:51.560 Even CNNers now are coming to Yashar Ali's defense saying, yo, this isn't his doing.

00:41:57.480 It's yours.

00:41:58.140 Tick tock.

00:41:58.780 Megan, before I answer the question, and I promise you, I will, I want to make you blush

00:42:02.340 and see if I can make you match your beautiful red background there, because you have been

00:42:06.200 so good over the last six or seven weeks since this October seven thing happened.

00:42:11.040 The previous segment that I watched the whole thing of, but just everywhere on Twitter,

00:42:14.560 everything you're doing on the show every day.

00:42:16.300 I have seen so many people in our space names need not be mentioned right now who are doing

00:42:22.560 half-assed measures related to all of this, or, or very muddled morally, uh, would take

00:42:28.100 very different positions.

00:42:29.200 If the things were just a little bit different, you can all figure out what that might mean.

00:42:33.460 And you have just been so freaking good that dare I say, you've made me a little bit better

00:42:38.280 because when you see bravery, it starts getting replicated.

00:42:41.180 So I hope that I made you blush just a little bit there.

00:42:43.980 And, uh, now I will answer your question, which is of course the Washington post, uh,

00:42:49.300 much like the giant iron maid in space balls, both blows and sucks.

00:42:53.580 That's what they do.

00:42:54.500 They're part of the mainstream media.

00:42:56.180 They get everything wrong.

00:42:57.880 They run cover for the Chinese regime the same way they would run cover for anyone who

00:43:03.560 was trying to fight the woke or get gender stuff out of schools or any of the things.

00:43:08.380 This is one-on-one for Washington post.

00:43:10.780 And you're totally right on the tick-tock front.

00:43:12.460 We have a massive problem here with tick-tock and the nine 11, uh, story is the perfect

00:43:18.480 example of it.

00:43:19.360 You know, I was in New York city, uh, during nine 11.

00:43:21.780 I think you were in New York city city during nine 11.

00:43:23.960 It was one of my most formative moments, obviously, uh, in my entire life and my politics and

00:43:29.100 everything else.

00:43:29.660 Uh, but that they have now the Chinese intentionally pushed this letter onto our young people who,

00:43:36.140 whose minds have already been muddled by our negligent education system and are totally sold

00:43:42.800 out and corrupt mainstream media and everything else.

00:43:44.800 It's fertile ground for all of the worst ideas.

00:43:48.420 So you get bikini girl talking about how much she loves quote unquote Palestine, where I suspect

00:43:54.980 they would be less than enthused to have her in a bikini on the beach.

00:43:59.580 It's so absurd.

00:44:01.760 I mean, you have to laugh because these people are ridiculous, but they're, it's not just a

00:44:05.980 couple of them.

00:44:06.520 I realized the majority of Americans are definitely pro Israel and understand what's happening

00:44:10.660 here.

00:44:10.960 But there's enough up and coming on the other side who are outraged over the fact that Israel's

00:44:16.240 defending itself, that they're now actually running to the arms of bin Laden's ideas.

00:44:21.360 And those of his accolades, I mean, those of his, his accolades, because online right now

00:44:25.700 we're seeing is the spike in terror talk.

00:44:27.720 What we're seeing is, um, a bunch of, uh, Al Qaeda forums saying, Hey, this is great.

00:44:33.520 We should post more and more content.

00:44:35.180 You know, it's really catching on.

00:44:36.440 Look how well we're doing over on Tik TOK.

00:44:37.940 And while Tik TOK was basically forced to stop these trends over on its platform, because

00:44:43.560 it was too much, even for, you know, the Americans who love Tik TOK, um, they're, they're going

00:44:49.800 to do it again.

00:44:50.380 They are pro these kinds of messages because it is being pushed by the Chinese.

00:44:54.340 Well, remember, I mean, we know for a fact that America's version of Tik TOK is very different

00:45:00.600 than Chinese Tik TOK on Chinese Tik TOK.

00:45:03.000 They're quite literally learning about mathematics and physics and science.

00:45:07.940 Actual science and things of that nature.

00:45:09.780 Now I have no doubt they're learning about authoritarian stuff that probably lends itself

00:45:13.700 to being under the foot of the CCP regime, but they're learning actual factually based

00:45:18.620 things.

00:45:18.880 And they're not being, having their brains broken with the gender stuff and the race

00:45:24.360 stuff and everything else.

00:45:25.240 So all of that would be the natural, uh, it would be the natural road that would get

00:45:30.220 you to young people in the United States, which for all her flaws is still the freest place,

00:45:35.020 uh, in certainly on planet earth and really in the history of, of humanity, uh, and that

00:45:41.080 they would be for Hamas or for terrorism.

00:45:44.520 And the thing is that what people need to understand is that what's happening right now,

00:45:48.560 you don't have to be, you don't have to really understand the geopolitics of the Middle East

00:45:53.580 or understand the founding of Israel or that a state known as Palestine for a people known

00:45:59.080 as Palestinians never existed.

00:46:00.380 And I'm happy to do any of the history on that.

00:46:02.480 If you want, um, you don't have to understand any of that, but what you should understand,

00:46:06.800 whether you live in London or Paris or Brussels or El Salvador or literally anywhere on earth

00:46:12.280 is that if you think when they are done with the Jews, that they are just going to wash

00:46:16.960 their hands and be like, all right, let's go home guys.

00:46:19.560 No, that is the beginning.

00:46:21.400 How do you think the, I was in London two weeks ago for Jordan Peterson's art conference.

00:46:25.140 Trust me, there are a lot of native Brits, good British citizens, uh, who are worried

00:46:30.980 about the future of their country right now.

00:46:32.800 And with good reason, and it's not because of those pesky Jews.

00:46:36.300 Well, they've already been overrun.

00:46:38.040 I mean, the number of immigrants into London, not to mention France, uh, who are very pro

00:46:43.460 Hamas is actually downright alarming in some ways.

00:46:46.400 This has been, I mean, it's not a good thing when I'm just saying the after effects, there's

00:46:49.880 some good stuff coming because people are being outed.

00:46:52.640 No, there's some antisemitism is being outed and the groups who support it on Moss are being

00:46:56.800 delegitimized to many of us.

00:46:59.020 I didn't know anything about students for justice in Palestine.

00:47:01.260 I didn't know anything about them.

00:47:02.260 Now I do got it.

00:47:03.600 I'll be looking for that on the resume.

00:47:04.760 When I screen for future hires, some people will actually consider it a plus and actually

00:47:10.400 try to hire those.

00:47:11.300 We're not hiring any of them either.

00:47:12.660 I just told my guys, that's it.

00:47:14.420 All right.

00:47:14.620 So there's so much to go over.

00:47:15.840 They literally gave President Xi a standing ovation out in the tech center in San Fran

00:47:21.940 yesterday with the president of the United States right there.

00:47:24.000 We'll tell you exactly who, who stood and cheered for the guy with a Muslim genocide going on.

00:47:28.660 Okay.

00:47:28.840 We'll get to all of it as Dave Rubin stays with us.

00:47:31.700 Don't go away.

00:47:32.060 We'll be right back.

00:47:36.260 Dave.

00:47:36.840 Okay.

00:47:37.000 So while we're on the topic of media, we've got to get to Gail King.

00:47:41.760 So Gail King is one of the co-hosts of CBS this morning.

00:47:45.320 And I was critical of her yesterday on Twitter, among many other people who are, who are critical

00:47:50.360 of her, but man alive.

00:47:51.860 Let me just say behind the scenes, her team freaked out.

00:47:54.820 They really want me to take back my criticism.

00:47:56.940 It's a no.

00:47:58.140 No, you should not.

00:47:59.600 I retweeted you.

00:48:00.780 No, you should not.

00:48:01.860 Because I'm not taking my routine away.

00:48:03.600 Stand by every word.

00:48:04.700 Every word.

00:48:05.540 So here's what she did while interviewing the father of a hostage eight-year-old girl

00:48:11.380 being held by Hamas.

00:48:14.160 So this man moved to Israel 30 years ago.

00:48:16.840 He's Irish.

00:48:17.500 He raised his daughter there in Israel, and she was one of the little girls taken hostage

00:48:23.460 off of a kibbutz in Israel.

00:48:26.720 She is now in Hamas custody.

00:48:29.120 We do not know whether she's dead or alive.

00:48:30.840 And Gayle King has him on the show and decides this would be a great way to talk to him and

00:48:37.760 great place to go with him.

00:48:39.800 But now this seems to be all about politics.

00:48:42.180 What do you say about that?

00:48:43.700 You know, you have innocent children and Palestinians who are dying, innocent Israeli children who

00:48:50.220 are dying.

00:48:50.860 And no one seems to be able to say, enough, stop that.

00:48:53.880 I'm not interested in politics at all.

00:49:00.580 My only concern is getting Emily back.

00:49:03.740 Unbelievable.

00:49:07.120 I, to me, it was grossly inappropriate to bring up this moral equivalency between, you know,

00:49:14.360 some Israeli kids were hurt, but some Palestinian kids, they're also, they've also been taken.

00:49:19.000 And now it's just kind of politics.

00:49:20.640 That's not at all what's happening here.

00:49:22.980 This is not about politics.

00:49:24.340 It's about an evil terrorist group that killed 1,400 innocents, including children and women,

00:49:30.780 and has this man's daughter right now.

00:49:33.280 You don't go there with him.

00:49:35.560 It was insensitive.

00:49:36.920 It was wrong.

00:49:38.100 And yes, to those of you at CBS wondering whether I saw the whole interview, I watched the whole

00:49:42.620 thing.

00:49:43.500 That was grossly inappropriate.

00:49:45.320 It's gross, it's evil, it's amoral, and it's, again, consistent with everything that the

00:49:52.900 mainstream media does when it somehow comes to Israel and the Jews.

00:49:57.520 The idea that you would sit down with this man and ask him about the children who are

00:50:02.180 dying in Gaza solely because of Hamas.

00:50:06.440 Everyone knows Israel literally drops leaflets.

00:50:09.480 Please leave this building.

00:50:10.760 We know there are rockets in this kindergarten.

00:50:13.260 They send text messages.

00:50:14.520 They call people.

00:50:16.000 They have a humanitarian corridor.

00:50:18.200 Hamas wants dead Gazans almost as badly, almost as badly as they want dead Israelis.

00:50:25.200 But Gayle King, it's really embarrassing.

00:50:28.020 And I know there's no low that is too low for the people at CBS News or any of these places

00:50:33.660 at this point.

00:50:34.780 But the gall of her to say this, and by the way, when she says, I wrote it down because

00:50:38.780 I want to get it right, she said, no one seems to be able to say enough.

00:50:42.260 It's like, actually, everyone's saying it.

00:50:44.860 Israel has said it since day one.

00:50:46.640 Hamas, right now, release all of the hostages.

00:50:49.760 By the way, there are hostages, not just Israeli hostages.

00:50:53.580 We think there's at least 12 American hostages.

00:50:56.380 We also believe that a woman gave birth just a day or two ago, one of the hostages.

00:51:00.880 So there's actually more hostages now.

00:51:02.640 I mean, it's so psychotic.

00:51:03.940 It sounds like a Saw movie or something, what's going on over there.

00:51:06.680 But there's plenty of people saying enough.

00:51:09.220 And there is a political solution.

00:51:10.700 The political solution is that they give up the hostages and every single member of Hamas

00:51:16.520 turns themselves in.

00:51:18.660 And then we can see what happens on the other side.

00:51:21.120 The same people, the same nonsense coming out of Gayle King is the same nonsense coming

00:51:25.180 out of AOC and Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and the rest of the Hamas caucus, which is that

00:51:29.900 we should suddenly have a ceasefire.

00:51:31.640 And it's like, you know what?

00:51:32.320 We did have a ceasefire on October 6th.

00:51:35.100 There were no Israelis, no Jews living in Gaza.

00:51:37.560 They wanted nothing to do with the place.

00:51:39.520 They left in 2005.

00:51:41.360 They said, take our temples, take our greenhouses, take our infrastructure.

00:51:45.100 There were wealthy Jews in New York who donated millions of dollars to Gaza.

00:51:49.080 We know what Hamas did with the water pipes.

00:51:51.680 They turned them into rockets.

00:51:53.160 They're now exposing all of the weapons that they keep under Shifa Hospital.

00:51:56.740 But Gayle King, she's the same as, say, and Andrea Mitchell over at MSNBC.

00:52:00.060 These people who just want to be pet on the head so that they don't look like they can,

00:52:04.980 you know, that they're somehow in it with the Jews or something to that effect.

00:52:08.220 And yes, you still get beheaded, ladies.

00:52:10.580 That's how it works.

00:52:12.000 Yeah.

00:52:12.280 She's been going with the Hamas numbers.

00:52:15.220 Hamas keeps trying to tell us that, you know, they've got 10,000 dead.

00:52:18.580 How do we know that?

00:52:19.440 How do we know that?

00:52:20.120 Same way we know that Israel was behind that hospital bombing, that it wasn't actually behind,

00:52:23.880 that, you know, killed 500 poor innocent Palestinians, which wasn't true at all.

00:52:28.520 That was from Hamas.

00:52:29.900 So are these numbers of dead.

00:52:31.320 We're not going to know.

00:52:32.320 Honestly, we're not going to know until Israel tells us.

00:52:34.300 Because Israel revises its numbers.

00:52:36.320 Israel actually just downgraded, whatever, however you want to say it,

00:52:40.460 the number of dead in Israel killed by the Hamas attack from 1,400 to 1,200.

00:52:44.840 Because they were saying, you know what, once we actually looked at the dead bodies,

00:52:47.680 we realized that some 200 of them were Palestinian fighters who had gotten killed by the IDF or others.

00:52:53.000 That's what Israel does.

00:52:54.120 Hamas is the one who inflates the numbers.

00:52:55.760 But she's gone with their numbers.

00:52:57.560 Oh, it's so sad, the number that they've killed.

00:53:00.140 And by the way, she's the same person who had Alice Walker on, the one who wrote The Color Purple,

00:53:06.100 who's like a vile anti-Semite, and did a fawning interview with her,

00:53:11.740 didn't raise any of her literally, like, lizard people belief about Jews.

00:53:16.880 In the interview, just puffed her up.

00:53:18.900 That's it, because she's Oprah's fave.

00:53:20.960 So she got a total pass.

00:53:23.560 So this is a pattern of falling down on the job when it comes to the Jews.

00:53:28.580 Go ahead.

00:53:29.520 Well, she also got the job because she's Oprah's fave.

00:53:32.040 There's nobody wandering around that's a Gayle King fan.

00:53:34.120 I mean, that's fairly obvious.

00:53:35.600 But putting that aside for a moment, you know, I think, Megan,

00:53:37.840 the other problem that we're all having here is that there is such a stark discrepancy between these two sides.

00:53:44.560 It's a little easier for all of us to contemplate what a war would look like between warring nations that, you know,

00:53:51.520 kind of have roughly the same armies, that kind of have roughly the same types of people and cultures in them,

00:53:57.040 and they're having some sort of territorial dispute.

00:53:59.180 The problem is this is not a territorial dispute.

00:54:01.780 The Palestinian movement since, and really since before 1948, has always been about exterminating the Jews.

00:54:10.700 Let's not forget, before 1948, when people talk about a 75-year occupation,

00:54:15.900 the people that are saying, oh, Israel has been occupying Palestine since 1948, 75 years,

00:54:21.340 they're calling for a return to the British Empire.

00:54:23.700 I mean, we could also go back 250-plus years, and we could bring back the Ottoman Empire.

00:54:27.720 There has never been a Palestinian state.

00:54:30.860 In 1936, the Peel Commission offered to split the land between two people.

00:54:35.440 They didn't call them Palestinians at the time.

00:54:37.700 They were known as Arabs.

00:54:38.640 It was between Arabs and Jews.

00:54:40.320 The Arabs said no.

00:54:41.300 The Jews said yes.

00:54:42.360 1947 partition plan.

00:54:43.840 The British, they were like, okay, our empire is coming to an end.

00:54:46.560 We're leaving this place.

00:54:47.820 Can we split this thing for you?

00:54:49.240 The Jews said yes.

00:54:50.220 The Arabs said no.

00:54:51.120 Then five Arab armies launched a war.

00:54:53.540 The Jews miraculously won.

00:54:54.820 2000, 2008, at least five times they've been offered a state and said no every time.

00:55:01.840 Even in Bill Clinton's book, he says how the offer that was made in 2000, it was 97% of what

00:55:09.280 any sort of Palestinian mainstream thinker would have wanted.

00:55:12.880 97% of the territory, and they were going to swap another 3%.

00:55:16.980 And Arafat basically said to him, look, if I sign this deal, he knew it was the deal.

00:55:21.820 He said, if I sign this deal, they're going to kill me.

00:55:23.380 So they didn't sign it.

00:55:24.200 So this has nothing to do with territory.

00:55:28.060 There is a tiny little place, smaller than New Jersey, where some Jews live that was

00:55:33.040 nothing but a desert and partly a swamp, that they made the desert bloom, and they have

00:55:37.820 brought Western values into just two generations off the Holocaust.

00:55:42.520 And it's a modern miracle.

00:55:45.820 And the neighbors aren't that happy.

00:55:47.780 But it's baked into the story of the Jews.

00:55:49.980 If you've ever spent, I'm sure you have spent a holiday with some of your Jewish friends.

00:55:53.220 Every holiday is, they tried to kill us.

00:55:56.340 They did kill a whole bunch of us.

00:55:57.900 We survived.

00:55:58.600 Let's eat.

00:55:59.280 And that's what's going to happen.

00:56:00.180 I was going to say, with a lot of great, delicious brisket, and sometimes very nice things that

00:56:04.180 the man says about the woman in the preamble.

00:56:06.120 I lived in an Orthodox building when I was in Manhattan, so I have a lot of dear Jewish friends

00:56:12.200 from that.

00:56:12.600 I mean, in my life, I have a lot of dear Jewish friends, but I'm just saying there, I actually

00:56:15.900 experienced a lot of the customs and the meals and so on.

00:56:19.080 It's absolutely lovely.

00:56:20.580 I was like the resident goy, and they were all absolutely lovely to me.

00:56:24.540 You could always tell it was our apartment because we were the only ones with a Christmas

00:56:26.840 tree.

00:56:28.500 Let's stay on the topic of the media.

00:56:29.840 Wait, and they weren't attacking you for your other religious beliefs?

00:56:33.420 They didn't put blood on your door or anything like that?

00:56:36.520 I can't believe it.

00:56:37.840 What is with the weird stuff on Twitter right now?

00:56:40.400 You've seen the attacks on Ben Shapiro showing him.

00:56:43.620 I think he was giving an interview to Joe Rogan where he's like, the question was, so what

00:56:47.840 do you think happened to, what do you think about Christ or Jesus Christ?

00:56:51.240 He wasn't Christ.

00:56:51.800 He's like, no, just a man, got on the wrong side of the Romans.

00:56:56.540 Okay, they're like, look at this.

00:56:58.720 Hello, we're aware.

00:57:01.420 We as Christians know that that's not what the Jewish people believe, nor do they have

00:57:06.740 to in order for us to enjoy their social commentary, be absolutely dear friends with

00:57:12.660 them, and in some cases, marry across religious lines.

00:57:15.460 Who the hell's trying to stoke fire there?

00:57:17.720 I know, that's a real thing that seems to be bubbling up on the right right now, that

00:57:22.560 I hope we nip it in the bud, and I'm going to do everything that I can to try to do that,

00:57:26.640 because Ben isn't denying that Jesus of Nazareth was a man.

00:57:30.260 He was a Jew and a rabbi, and he's not denying that he was crucified by the Romans.

00:57:36.200 He's saying, according to my theological beliefs, he's Jewish.

00:57:39.580 He believes in the Old Testament that he was a man that this happened to.

00:57:42.980 Then the New Testament picks it up, and Christianity obviously picks it up, and he is the

00:57:47.720 savior of the Christians, right?

00:57:50.000 I was just in Israel.

00:57:51.460 I spent five days in Jerusalem going to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, going to the

00:57:54.620 Western Wall, et cetera, et cetera, talking about the history with experts and all of

00:57:58.140 those things.

00:57:59.020 The Jewish theologians and the historians that work there and give tours there, no one

00:58:05.220 denies that Jesus was a man that lived there, et cetera.

00:58:09.040 By the way, it's sort of hilarious, because Jesus was a Jew who lived in Judea, which we now

00:58:15.460 call the West Bank, where Rashida Tlaib doesn't want any Jews to live.

00:58:19.220 The story of Hanukkah is the story of the Maccabees, the Jews, defending the Judean hills, you're

00:58:24.680 not going to believe who lived in Judea, from the Greek invaders.

00:58:28.360 She doesn't want, she and Ilhan Omar and AOC, et cetera, think that the Jews are somehow

00:58:33.100 occupying the place that Hanukkah took place.

00:58:35.320 I mean, again, it's one of these things, like, I'm not a particularly religious person.

00:58:39.740 I actually, I have become a bit more religious in light of what's going on right now, because

00:58:44.600 I think it pushes people to the limits of their beliefs, or the limits maybe of their

00:58:48.460 secular beliefs.

00:58:50.060 But that's why the Jewish-Christian connection here is so important, because Christianity

00:58:54.360 was born out of Judaism.

00:58:55.860 It doesn't mean that every Jew has to be a Christian, but you should understand the linkage

00:58:59.660 just chronologically, because obviously the Old Testament came first, and then the New

00:59:04.160 Testament.

00:59:04.700 You have to understand that these things are deeply connected.

00:59:06.940 And just one more thing on this real quick, you know, if you go to Jerusalem, I'm sure

00:59:11.420 you've been there, Megan, if you go to Jerusalem, you see that this is a place of coexistence.

00:59:17.020 You can walk the old city and see women, literally in burqas, walking next to ultra-Orthodox Jewish

00:59:23.180 men.

00:59:23.620 Try going to any other place in the Middle East and seeing anything like that.

00:59:27.580 So when they say Israel's an apartheid state, it has the least apartheid.

00:59:31.340 Every freaking road sign in Israel is in Hebrew, English, and Arabic.

00:59:37.980 Makes you wonder.

00:59:39.660 Yeah, I'm sorry to say I have never been there, and it was on my bucket list.

00:59:42.760 And of course now, you know, who knows?

00:59:45.080 You will go once this thing is cleaned up, I have no doubt.

00:59:47.480 You're going to have a lot of invites, I promise you that.

00:59:49.980 Oh, that's nice.

00:59:51.140 I look forward to it.

00:59:52.100 You know, it's funny, because we actually sent our oldest child to Jewish preschool,

00:59:55.460 and we're Catholic.

00:59:56.820 Doug's Presbyterian, which I always mock him.

00:59:58.780 It's like, man, what is that?

01:00:00.480 You don't have to, like, do penance.

01:00:01.960 You don't have to do it.

01:00:02.640 They just give it.

01:00:03.440 Anyway, so we sent Yates to Jewish preschool, because it was a really good preschool, and

01:00:07.300 it was right there.

01:00:08.200 And I remember talking to them, saying, so on the subject of Jesus, what exactly is he

01:00:11.940 going to be learning?

01:00:12.540 And they were like, you know, we don't really get into the specifics at this age.

01:00:16.460 But they were like, but just, you know, our general view is he's just a man.

01:00:19.880 That's it.

01:00:20.300 Not that he didn't, but he's just a man.

01:00:21.400 And it was funny, because that Christmas came, and he came home, and they sent him

01:00:25.960 home with, like, his little school picture, and there was a Star of David, and there was

01:00:29.100 a menorah, and there was, like, I'm like, okay, so I get it.

01:00:32.840 It's real.

01:00:34.160 Probably won't stay here all the way through K through 12, but we got a base in there, so

01:00:38.020 he understands people have different beliefs, and we love them just as we love fellow Catholics

01:00:42.000 or Presbyterians.

01:00:42.760 Megan, I love hearing that, and you know, I think you know how many Jews now are sending

01:00:48.040 their kids actually to Catholic schools, because Catholic schools have become a little more

01:00:52.860 impervious to the woke nonsense, where a lot of Jewish schools, because Judaism in a modern

01:00:57.560 sense has become so connected with liberalism, unfortunately, that the Jewish schools have

01:01:02.620 gone woke, and sane Jews are now, if they're not ultra-Orthodox, are trying to find more

01:01:08.500 traditional places to send their kids.

01:01:10.400 It's really wild how those lines are crossing right now.

01:01:12.220 You know, because they saw this coming.

01:01:14.180 They saw this coming.

01:01:14.980 Don't you think, I don't think it's a coincidence that people like Barry Weiss, you know, who's

01:01:18.980 obviously Jewish, you, like, were anti-woke before a lot of other people were anti-woke

01:01:24.880 on the left, right?

01:01:26.440 Because I feel like Jewish people had a particular window into this pernicious ideology, and Barry

01:01:33.900 said on this show very early on, I think we were still not even on video, Jews don't

01:01:38.680 rate, Jews don't count in this hierarchical system.

01:01:42.140 And it was one of the reasons she could see it coming and thought it was very dangerous.

01:01:47.420 And now, God, it's like, is there a woke Jew in America, other than these weird Jewish

01:01:51.660 voices for peace who are nothing of the kind?

01:01:54.680 Yeah, well, first off, most of them aren't Jewish.

01:01:56.180 I'm pretty sure Randy Weingarten, who is still the teacher's union head, is probably pretty

01:02:00.280 still woke.

01:02:01.000 But no, a lot of Jews, I mean, I have heard from a lot of Jews that I knew in my childhood

01:02:05.980 who probably were not fans of mine for the last, you know, 10 years, who are texting

01:02:09.880 me suddenly, like, Dave, haven't spoken about a decade, but maybe you were right about some

01:02:14.480 of this stuff.

01:02:14.860 But, Megan, I would also say there's a little bit of a danger always making this about Jews,

01:02:19.100 because, again, Jews are just the canary in the coal mine here.

01:02:22.640 They are not going to be thrilled about the Megyn Kellys exercising her free speech on the

01:02:27.300 other side of this thing.

01:02:28.220 They're not going to be thrilled with any of the people of your audience who have any sort

01:02:32.040 of liberal Western values or believe in, say, the founding documents of the United States

01:02:36.900 or anything else.

01:02:37.520 And the interesting thing about the United States right now is that we are still, for

01:02:42.660 many reasons, geographic and culturally and because of our founding documents, we're in

01:02:47.480 a much better place, as screwy as things are, than Western Europe.

01:02:51.260 Again, I was just in London.

01:02:52.660 It is tense, to say the least.

01:02:54.920 And there are hundreds of thousands of these people mobilizing, and they would gladly take

01:03:00.220 down Britain.

01:03:00.760 They're screaming about Israel now, but it starts there.

01:03:03.540 So, again, I always feel like it's a little dangerous.

01:03:06.080 I would prefer people not to talk about the Jews so much, because it's just a little piece

01:03:09.680 of it, and there's a much bigger problem on the horizon.

01:03:13.440 Yeah, there certainly is.

01:03:14.740 All right, so that leads me to this fight that I've been trying to avoid, because it makes

01:03:18.540 me uncomfortable, but we have to get into it, and that's Candace versus Ben.

01:03:22.660 It's all over the internet.

01:03:23.900 It's all over everywhere.

01:03:25.120 So Candace Owens works for Ben Shapiro's Daily Wire.

01:03:27.720 And you could feel it's percolating for weeks, couldn't you?

01:03:31.720 Like, it wasn't particularly surprising.

01:03:33.520 I mean, I think it's been percolating since the Kanye stuff, which was probably over a

01:03:37.460 year ago now.

01:03:38.600 Yes, because she was a big supporter of Kanye, who, without question, made a bunch of anti-Semitic

01:03:42.420 remarks.

01:03:43.240 And Candace was quick to say they're not anti-Semitic.

01:03:45.600 If you're honest.

01:03:46.220 She always has these sweeping judgments as part of her commentary.

01:03:49.120 Like, if you're an honest person, you'll admit that there's no anti-Semitism there.

01:03:52.320 No, I think, I feel like the part about all the evil Jew controllers was like a slightly,

01:03:57.640 maybe just like a little, it was a little, just a tinge, anti-Semitic.

01:04:02.300 Anyway, so he was her friend.

01:04:05.440 So I was like, okay, she's trying to give her friend the benefit of the doubt.

01:04:08.460 But then this happened.

01:04:10.160 And let's just say she hasn't been extremely vocal in condemning Hamas.

01:04:14.620 And Ben, of course, has been like steering the plane.

01:04:19.020 You know, he's been very forceful, very smart on condemning Hamas and giving the proper

01:04:26.020 context and perspective for what's actually happened here.

01:04:30.000 And some of the things you were just pointing about, about the long history of how many times

01:04:33.200 they've been offered a two-state solution.

01:04:34.860 And they don't want it.

01:04:35.680 What they want is Israel gone, dead, Jews dead.

01:04:38.140 That's what they really want.

01:04:38.980 So it culminates in Ben, I don't know where he was, he was speaking at some sort of an

01:04:44.940 event and somebody captured him on an iPhone and then it went viral, criticizing her.

01:04:51.180 Here's what he said.

01:04:53.580 Yes, the question is about Candace Owens.

01:04:56.140 I think her behavior during this is in a stressful.

01:04:58.660 Without attack.

01:05:02.500 I can't, what was that?

01:05:05.480 Yeah, she still works for my company.

01:05:07.000 I think she's been absolutely disgraceful.

01:05:10.020 I think that her faux sophistication on these particular issues has been ridiculous.

01:05:14.900 It's not faux sophistication, it's ridiculous.

01:05:17.140 Everybody can see the moves that she's making and the things that she's saying and I find

01:05:20.040 them just reputable.

01:05:22.620 Okay, so he definitely took a shot at her, no question, as she's been disgraceful and

01:05:28.780 that she has faux sophistication that she's using here that is not well-founded.

01:05:33.460 And then she struck back on Twitter by posting a Bible verse about persecution and how you

01:05:42.160 cannot serve two masters, you cannot serve both God and money.

01:05:48.020 And then Ben responded by saying something to the effect of, if you don't like your job

01:05:53.920 at the Daily Wire, or if you think God requires you to leave your job at the Daily Wire, you

01:05:58.420 can quit.

01:05:59.840 And then she posts on Twitter, Christ is king.

01:06:04.520 So I was like, okay, that's definitely not, as we discussed, what Jewish people like Ben

01:06:09.160 believe.

01:06:10.880 I don't think he was questioning her religious beliefs, right?

01:06:13.720 I think he understood she was claiming to be persecuted and suggesting maybe that Ben had

01:06:19.340 chosen money over God.

01:06:21.820 I don't, I don't know, to be honest, I don't, yeah, well, I think that it's, yeah, I think

01:06:26.420 it's fairly obvious that that's kind of what she was doing here.

01:06:28.820 Listen, I want to be very, but let me just give the end of it.

01:06:31.200 So then she posted that Christ is king.

01:06:32.900 Ben didn't say anything in response.

01:06:34.960 And then she went on with Tucker and he asked her about, I think, I believe he extended the

01:06:41.760 invitation in the midst of all this, you know, to sort of capitalize on the, on the buzz

01:06:45.240 around it.

01:06:46.040 She went on and she commented further and then I'll get to that soundbite in one second.

01:06:50.340 So I'll let you take it now.

01:06:51.520 Go ahead.

01:06:52.460 Well, just to clarify, I'm actually not sure when that Tucker thing had been taped.

01:06:56.880 So I don't know if it was already pre, cause it aired like two hours after these, this Twitter

01:07:00.940 exchange.

01:07:01.620 But he asked her about the controversy.

01:07:04.740 They talked about the controversy.

01:07:06.580 Like she, she had definitely seen Ben's videotape attacking her.

01:07:11.160 Right.

01:07:11.580 So I guess it sort of happened at the same time.

01:07:13.120 It may sort of be a moot point.

01:07:14.560 I just want to say before we talk about this fully, that the same thing that I said on my show

01:07:17.860 yesterday, when I addressed this, look, I can, I am friends with both of these people,

01:07:21.720 or at least have been friends with both of these people.

01:07:23.660 I was at Candace's wedding.

01:07:25.460 I was the one that sort of put her on a big show for the first time when she was known as

01:07:30.220 red pill black.

01:07:31.580 She was a little YouTuber and I put her on my show.

01:07:33.940 I didn't even know her name till she sat in the chair in front of me back in 2017, Ben

01:07:38.460 and I, when I was waking up to a lot of the leftist stuff, Ben, I interviewed in 2016,

01:07:43.200 we've all kind of grown out of this together.

01:07:45.600 We've shared meals.

01:07:46.640 Candace was at my house helping us pick out baby strollers just a year and a half ago.

01:07:50.660 So all of that being said, I think Candace's reaction to October 7th has been very disappointing.

01:07:59.300 She basically said something to the effect of, I'm not an expert in these things.

01:08:04.040 We don't have to comment on everything, except she's in the business of commenting on everything.

01:08:09.020 And she does comment on everything, but she's had a couple moments related to things with

01:08:14.920 Jews where she seems unable to comment.

01:08:17.520 So people can glean into that what they want.

01:08:19.580 I'm really trying to be as measured here as possible.

01:08:21.960 I think the bigger problem that they're having is that Candace wants a glorious exit and nothing

01:08:28.780 would be better than if the Jew fired her so that she can go launch a new media company,

01:08:34.160 maybe with Tucker.

01:08:35.000 I don't know exactly.

01:08:36.340 But Ben sat on this for a long time.

01:08:39.280 Ben's been getting hit from people on his side saying, oh, you let someone who works

01:08:45.040 for you.

01:08:45.440 And I don't know that Ben fully runs operations there anymore, but he's the face of the Daily

01:08:49.320 Wire.

01:08:49.980 You let this person continue to work there after the craziness with Kanye and everything

01:08:54.680 else.

01:08:55.240 So Ben is getting hit on both sides, right?

01:08:57.180 He's getting hit on the Candace side of things.

01:08:59.620 And then he's also getting hit from his base saying, oh, we told you, what did you think

01:09:03.660 was going to happen here?

01:09:04.560 So it's very sad for me personally, because you know what it's like, Megan, you meet all

01:09:09.140 these people in this, you become friends with people, you break bread with people.

01:09:12.580 And this is the last thing the right needs right now.

01:09:15.420 It's the last thing we need spiritually and religiously for the reasons you just said.

01:09:19.100 But it's the last thing we need politically and culturally if we're going to fix what the

01:09:22.840 problem is.

01:09:23.640 There is a much bigger problem related to what the woke have done and what has happened to

01:09:28.480 the Democrat Party and the collapse of our institutions and everything else.

01:09:31.880 Ben and Candace, for all their differences and for whatever their blind spots might be

01:09:36.700 and whatever we can criticize them on, I'm pretty sure that they still want to live in

01:09:40.420 the same country.

01:09:41.480 I'm pretty sure.

01:09:42.400 I can't speak for either one of them.

01:09:43.880 I think I want to live in the same country as people like both of them.

01:09:47.000 And that is going to be the challenge for people like you and I, Megan, because it's

01:09:50.640 like too many of us are about to just dive off either side.

01:09:54.620 And I think for those of us that want to hold this thing together and realize what the real

01:09:58.580 problem is, it's going to be very, very complex.

01:10:03.440 She called him emotionally unhinged.

01:10:07.380 And that for me was, I mean, Ben was in Israel when the terror attack was launched.

01:10:13.960 You know, he had been there and with his family and he has deep connections and ties.

01:10:19.720 I think he owns a home there.

01:10:20.980 Um, obviously he's a very openly orthodox Jewish American who's like kind of the face

01:10:27.500 of Judaism for many people here.

01:10:29.380 He's been under death threat after death threat because of that from the alt-right and from

01:10:35.580 the lunatic left who are anti-Semites as we are very clearly seeing.

01:10:40.260 So I don't think there's been anything even close to emotionally unhinged about Ben's reaction.

01:10:47.440 Nothing.

01:10:48.000 I listened to his show all the time.

01:10:49.820 I was more emotional about what happened on 10-7 on my show.

01:10:54.100 I don't know how the, then he was, I don't know how Ben got through those first few episodes.

01:10:58.740 I don't, I listen, I'm sending him texts.

01:11:01.280 Like I don't get how you're doing it.

01:11:03.560 Um, and that's a reaction we've heard from a few people like, my God, people are so emotional.

01:11:07.760 They're overly emotional about, about 10-7.

01:11:10.740 It's like, yeah, we tend to get emotional when babies get burned in ovens.

01:11:15.200 Like I'm kind of shocked at the loss of like understanding of how depraved this was.

01:11:22.920 Well, it was not only the depravity, but the fact that the Hamas fighters intentionally

01:11:26.860 filmed it and that we have seen videos of people's, we've literally, I mean, everyone's seen them

01:11:31.280 at this point.

01:11:31.740 People's heads being chopped off and now they know they baked babies alive and the, you

01:11:36.280 know, threw grenades into bomb shelters and people's body parts all over the place and

01:11:40.720 everything else.

01:11:41.360 So you might be a bit more sensitive to that, especially if you are Jewish and you have

01:11:46.660 a connection to that place.

01:11:47.680 But again, many Christians and all sorts of people from all walks of life all over the

01:11:51.860 world have a connection to Israel, but it was the sheer barbarity that caused that.

01:11:55.780 But I would also say that, you know, as someone that grew up with Holocaust survivors in my family

01:12:00.460 on both sides and my uncle, Jerry's father, Joe had the, had the numbers on his arm.

01:12:05.640 And I grew up hearing about those stories and all of those things.

01:12:08.220 And I heard the stories of survival and, and start about the people that didn't survive

01:12:12.360 and everything else.

01:12:13.180 Yeah.

01:12:13.320 Jews might be a little sensitive to this sort of thing.

01:12:15.620 Like it might, maybe Jews are a little emotive about this.

01:12:19.100 And I would say that maybe that's something that people should grant a bit, a bit of a

01:12:23.860 leash on, but that I was a little disappointed in the way Tucker phrased the question on that

01:12:27.740 about the overly emotional part.

01:12:29.340 Cause he asked about that and you know, yeah, people, people do get emotional about things.

01:12:35.200 He was sort of comparing it to that people don't get emotional about the border problem

01:12:39.760 here or the fentanyl problem here, but Megan, like you, like you, I cover it.

01:12:43.720 Hold on a second.

01:12:44.320 Hold that thought.

01:12:45.200 It's, it's not 25.

01:12:47.520 I'm an American.

01:12:48.420 I was horrified by what happened on October 7th.

01:12:51.400 I was thinking it was pretty strange.

01:12:52.720 Um, I don't really understand how it happened, but innocence died and that's awful.

01:12:55.820 And I hated watching that.

01:12:57.460 And I feel so sorry for the Israelis, um, who were killed.

01:13:00.640 However, there's an emotional response that is disproportionate, I think on the part of

01:13:08.560 some commentators.

01:13:09.580 I mean, our country is being invaded right now by millions of young men whose identities

01:13:14.540 we don't know, probably don't even like America.

01:13:16.500 And they're now living here over a hundred thousand Americans die every year of fentanyl.

01:13:20.380 I've known a couple.

01:13:21.840 Those are real tragedies.

01:13:23.100 I've never seen anything like the emotion from any commentator around those tragedies.

01:13:28.520 As I'm watching about a foreign tragedy.

01:13:32.480 Go ahead.

01:13:33.060 Megan, it's not a foreign tragedy.

01:13:34.640 How many Americans have died already?

01:13:36.240 There are 12 Americans at least held hostage right now.

01:13:39.060 So I don't know what a proportionate emotional response is.

01:13:42.200 I also don't know.

01:13:42.860 It's very bizarre.

01:13:43.960 And I really don't mean this as an attack on Tucker.

01:13:46.960 He's expressing something that beneath that I think is legitimate, that, that there are problems

01:13:51.600 with our border and there are problems with fentanyl.

01:13:53.840 But as I said on my show yesterday, we have to be able to walk and chew gum at the same

01:13:57.560 time.

01:13:57.900 I cover the border on my show every single day.

01:14:01.540 I talk about the fentanyl crisis every single day.

01:14:04.260 I don't know that anyone has shown more of the urban decay that has happened in San Francisco

01:14:08.740 and Los Angeles on their show than me.

01:14:11.100 I literally fled LA in the most public way because of all of those problems and homelessness

01:14:16.440 and all of that stuff to come to the free state of Florida.

01:14:19.440 But, but those things are happening in sort of slow motion in front of us.

01:14:22.820 And it is more jarring to see body parts blown apart.

01:14:26.680 But again, what would, what would be the proportionate?

01:14:29.480 It's odd.

01:14:29.840 They say Israel responds militarily disproportionately.

01:14:33.120 I guess it would be tough to get a bunch of Israeli soldiers to, you know, rape a thousand Palestinian women.

01:14:38.600 But the Israel, so basically Jewish people have disproportionate emotional responses and

01:14:43.740 the Israelis have a disproportionate military response.

01:14:45.920 No other people on earth would ever be subjected to this.

01:14:49.500 But, but I do want to just make it clear.

01:14:50.740 I would grant Tucker a leash on this.

01:14:52.520 He, underneath that, he is making a point that we have problems here.

01:14:56.880 And the real issue is not, oh, those people are screaming about that too much.

01:15:00.220 It's that we have to be able to deal with several important things at the same time.

01:15:04.280 If we're a serious country, the key is, I guess, if.

01:15:07.400 Yeah.

01:15:07.580 So I have a couple of things on it.

01:15:09.520 Number one, I, I defend the emotional response to what happened over there because it's just

01:15:15.000 that depraved and barbaric.

01:15:16.700 But I, I understand why he said what he said, because if you watch Tucker, like it's, I wouldn't

01:15:23.760 see he he's a single issue voter, but he's close to it.

01:15:27.360 You know, he's been extremely alarmed about what's happening at the Southern border for

01:15:30.680 a long, long time.

01:15:31.380 And he used his platform on Fox and on X to call repeated attention to it.

01:15:35.820 And I think he's frustrated.

01:15:36.840 He's not getting traction.

01:15:38.140 You know, look at our border.

01:15:38.920 Something got worse, not better.

01:15:40.440 And even with Democrats that he's now drowning in illegal immigrants and their schools are

01:15:45.340 overrun, still, they're not doing anything to change it.

01:15:48.060 They're just asking for more federal money so they can bring in more translators, you

01:15:51.480 know?

01:15:52.020 So I think it's a deep frustration of his about people not paying attention to that issue.

01:15:56.600 And which I think a lot of our audience shares, I will say this.

01:15:59.720 That's why I'm addressing that too.

01:16:01.120 People I know and respect reacted to this by saying if they thought Tucker was being

01:16:04.940 anti-Semitic there and they thought Candace was being anti-Semitic.

01:16:08.340 And even though, you know, she and I have had our spat online about what should happen

01:16:12.840 to these lunatics out there pulling down the posters and saying it's all Israel's fault.

01:16:17.660 I don't think that they should get hired and I'm happy to out them.

01:16:21.180 She feels differently.

01:16:22.500 I don't see the anti-Semitism.

01:16:25.120 Maybe I'm wrong in those two, because what I see is people who care about something else

01:16:29.240 more and I don't know about Candace.

01:16:31.600 I haven't really looked at all of her stuff, to be perfectly honest.

01:16:33.500 But I think in Tucker, I believe Tucker does care about the Israelis.

01:16:38.640 I just think he's got another issue that drives most of his commentary and policy recommendations.

01:16:43.540 But maybe I'm wrong.

01:16:44.280 Maybe because I love the guy.

01:16:45.780 So am I too biased?

01:16:46.740 No, look, you're encapsulating sort of what I was saying about Tucker also.

01:16:52.760 I'm willing to grant him that leash.

01:16:54.500 There is something that he cares very deeply about as a pundit and as an American.

01:16:59.420 And he has expressed that over the years and probably paid the price with his job for that.

01:17:05.280 So I definitely do grant that.

01:17:08.060 Maybe he muddled it the way he said it a little bit about the emotions.

01:17:11.340 Like maybe if he thought about it a little.

01:17:12.640 I suspect if Tucker, if Tucker's head slid in a box right here and we discuss this with

01:17:17.680 him the way we're discussing it, maybe he would say, you know, I do get the emotional

01:17:20.900 part.

01:17:21.240 So I think that's just fine.

01:17:22.940 I would say that.

01:17:23.700 He wants equal emotion on the other thing.

01:17:27.140 Right.

01:17:27.540 And that's just fine, by the way.

01:17:28.740 And again, I know you cover the border all the time, too.

01:17:31.300 And also, you have to remember, our media is so bad that so many people are confused as

01:17:37.320 to what the important issues are.

01:17:38.840 Let's not forget that RFK is only within the last like four months even realized that

01:17:44.900 the border was a problem.

01:17:46.000 It was only when he went down there and suddenly saw literally dozens of people walking by

01:17:51.500 him.

01:17:51.660 And he was like, what country are you from?

01:17:52.940 What country are you from?

01:17:53.760 What country are you from?

01:17:54.800 That suddenly he's like, boy, there's a problem here.

01:17:57.000 So smart people don't get it.

01:17:59.260 You know, one of the problems when you're a little ahead of the curve and let's say Tucker

01:18:02.340 has been ahead of the curve on the border thing.

01:18:04.100 When you're ahead of the curve, you start getting frustrated about the people who kind of come a little

01:18:07.820 bit behind you because you're like, I've been screaming about this.

01:18:10.160 I paid the price for this.

01:18:11.580 I got canceled.

01:18:12.520 I got yelled at.

01:18:13.340 I got called a white supremacist.

01:18:15.040 By the way, it's partly why Trump is so angry all the time now because he was right about

01:18:18.520 a lot of stuff.

01:18:19.660 So again, I'm fully willing to grant grace to Tucker on that.

01:18:24.120 The Candace one is a bit more complex because you may have seen the other clip where she was

01:18:29.940 on with a comedian and she talked about how she went to Israel and they had the Muslim

01:18:35.320 quarter and it felt like the segregated South.

01:18:37.560 And it's like, no, in Jerusalem, they have had the Muslim quarter and the Armenian quarter

01:18:41.960 and the Jewish quarter.

01:18:43.360 They have had these things for thousands of years, well before the modern state of Israel.

01:18:48.980 Everyone's allowed to walk through.

01:18:50.380 Although if you're a Jewish person, you really don't want to walk through the Muslim quarter.

01:18:53.140 It's not that safe for you.

01:18:55.120 But imagine if Israel had been like, okay, we're sending Jews and Christians into the Muslim

01:18:59.680 quarter.

01:19:00.700 Like then they would say Israel is occupying the Muslim quarter.

01:19:03.200 So again, I would say that's not, that's not bigotry on her behalf.

01:19:07.160 I would like to see, maybe get a bit more educated on really what is going on there.

01:19:12.160 That, that is the grace that I am willing to offer at this point.

01:19:17.040 Now, the whole thing is like, it's uncomfortable.

01:19:19.520 It's probably going to go, it's not going to end well for her over at the Daily Wire.

01:19:22.800 That's clear.

01:19:23.780 I think you're right.

01:19:24.640 She probably wants to get fired.

01:19:25.080 No, but I kind of think that that's what she wants, right?

01:19:27.060 I don't think they're going to fire her.

01:19:28.380 I don't, they don't operate like that.

01:19:30.000 They, I think if they were going to fire her because they were offended.

01:19:32.700 I didn't say it's what she's going to get.

01:19:34.000 I said, it's what she wants.

01:19:35.700 Yeah.

01:19:36.120 Then they would, I think they would have gotten rid of her after the Kanye West stuff, but

01:19:39.260 they didn't.

01:19:40.100 And the Daily Wire has been pretty good about defending speech or at least allowing speech,

01:19:44.140 even that they don't like over there.

01:19:46.460 But this is getting very personal.

01:19:48.200 And I don't, I think, you know, her calling him emotionally unhinged and him calling her,

01:19:51.620 I like if I'm so sophisticated, I don't know.

01:19:54.620 This is why I remain independent, Dave.

01:19:56.980 You know what I'm saying?

01:19:57.500 We're looking pretty good right now, sister.

01:20:01.000 You know, if Megyn Kelly goes off the deep end tomorrow, nobody can say it's Ruben's

01:20:05.020 fault.

01:20:06.000 That's right.

01:20:06.580 You just, would you please though, dive in and rescue me if you could, if you could be

01:20:09.460 so kind, that'd be great.

01:20:10.620 Although for the record, you're, you are on that.

01:20:12.480 I always tell you, you're on my short list of sane people, but you were on the short list

01:20:15.300 of people like, you want to build a network?

01:20:16.900 Let's talk.

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01:20:25.100 All right.

01:20:25.420 All right, we're going to end the show with some laughs.

01:20:28.080 Do you know comedian JP Sears?

01:20:29.560 This guy got me through COVID.

01:20:31.080 Love him.

01:20:31.860 He's next.

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01:21:33.060 We've discussed a lot of heavy topics today, and it's understandable.

01:21:39.780 The world is a heavy place at the moment, but sometimes you just need a good laugh.

01:21:44.240 That's how we're going to end this week with someone whose job it is to make us laugh.

01:21:48.140 And he does his job so well.

01:21:50.000 I have been looking forward to speaking with him.

01:21:52.160 Joining me now, author of the new children's book, Chomp, Chomp, Chomp,

01:21:56.040 the Snap Fest Challenge, J.P. Sears, a comedian and very popular YouTuber.

01:22:03.460 J.P., my personal thanks to you.

01:22:05.800 I speak on behalf of my sister-in-law and myself when I say you got us through COVID.

01:22:12.660 Your posts over all that insanity, which you were very early to see, and wokeism, all of it,

01:22:20.180 were brilliant and so funny.

01:22:22.380 So thank you from the bottom of my heart.

01:22:23.900 Oh, well, thank you, Megan.

01:22:26.140 That warms my heart, and it's very good for my narcissism.

01:22:29.860 Just makes me feel more significant about myself.

01:22:32.680 It's a condition, so I require it.

01:22:35.120 But, Megan, thank you so much.

01:22:36.700 I mean, you're a living legend, so I'm honored to hear that,

01:22:39.740 and also super stoked to be here talking with you today.

01:22:42.960 Oh, gosh.

01:22:43.760 If you don't mind, I want to give the audience a flavor,

01:22:45.800 just for those who haven't seen your stuff,

01:22:47.540 because they're going to fall in love with you as soon as they do.

01:22:49.540 Then they're going to buy your book, Chomp, Chomp, Chomp.

01:22:51.180 Here's just one.

01:22:52.680 You've been active on the trans stuff and calling attention to the absurdity of these guys

01:22:58.040 swimming in the girls' swimming lanes and so on.

01:23:00.480 And here is a sample of that in SOT45.

01:23:02.880 I've been dreaming of becoming the top female swimmer for one year.

01:23:08.420 I first learned how to swim when I was seven years old at Boy Scout camp.

01:23:12.180 What might surprise you is I was actually a really slow swimmer at first

01:23:15.860 and stayed a really slow swimmer through the first couple years of my collegiate career.

01:23:20.180 Then I turned 23, and all of a sudden, I'm the best swimmer in the women's division

01:23:24.620 because I'm just a late bloomer.

01:23:25.640 Because swimming's been such a big part of my life for so long,

01:23:28.600 it's where my happiness comes from.

01:23:31.180 You can't have happiness without penis.

01:23:34.020 I guess I must have drank a lot of water on that lap.

01:23:36.360 Yeah, some of the other ladies don't feel comfortable being in the same locker room as me.

01:23:41.440 Is this because I identify as black?

01:23:45.220 These racist women around here.

01:23:47.660 Or maybe they're just intimidated by my sensual femininity.

01:23:52.020 I mean, you know how girls can be.

01:23:54.760 Jealous.

01:23:55.160 Now that I'm the top female swimmer, what's next for me?

01:23:58.440 Well, I don't feel like I'm 22 anymore.

01:24:02.080 So I think children's sports is next.

01:24:06.500 Probably peewee football.

01:24:09.160 I'm actually 10 years old now.

01:24:12.160 That's amazing.

01:24:14.920 And prescient, that's prescient.

01:24:17.540 We just talked about there's a guy in Canada, 50 years old.

01:24:19.880 He decided to swim against 12 and 13-year-old girls, and they let him.

01:24:24.560 That, man, I think the only problem with kids' sports, but women's sports, I think we need to completely ban women from women's sports.

01:24:34.640 Because these women are taking opportunities from men who want to compete as women.

01:24:40.640 And I just think it's a crime that we still let any women complete.

01:24:45.120 And then, obviously, children and children's sports, it's pretty hateful, if you ask me.

01:24:51.340 Get those kids out of there.

01:24:52.740 Better yet, let the kids in there and let the 50-year-olds just pummel the crap out of them.

01:24:57.040 Right, right.

01:24:58.400 Who do they think they are, anyway?

01:24:59.640 Taking up all those lanes with all those little limbs.

01:25:02.280 Okay, so let's get a little bit of background on you, JP, because I know you live in Texas now, but you were living in the People's Republic of California for a while.

01:25:11.720 Yeah, I escaped communism back in 2014.

01:25:14.760 I kind of saw it coming.

01:25:16.400 So it's been almost 10 years since I lived in California.

01:25:19.260 But yeah, I was there for a 10-year period, and I love California.

01:25:26.260 I don't think there's anywhere more beautiful than California.

01:25:29.360 Obviously, the way it's governed has become a little bit of a travesty.

01:25:34.940 And when I was there, I certainly, without knowing it, I was infected by a certain degree of liberal propaganda.

01:25:43.640 And I didn't really realize it until the beginning of COVID, when I started to realize, well, this whole pandemic is not about a virus.

01:25:53.540 And then I really started waking up and realizing, like, oh, yeah, I'm kind of infected with some mind virus here.

01:26:00.480 So I've been doing a California mental detox cleanse for a few years now.

01:26:09.260 We've got a little bit of that, too, as JP works it out.

01:26:12.100 But he did a little video on what it's like living in California in Sop 46.

01:26:17.580 Seeing tent cities all over the place, it's basically camping, people enjoying the wilderness.

01:26:24.440 It's good for you.

01:26:25.920 I think we need more of it.

01:26:27.680 And the fact that we allow them to take over our sidewalks, parks, and other public places so the taxpaying public can't use those public places makes us as loving and accepting as a spineless doormat.

01:26:40.020 I, for one, don't want to raise my kids in a place where they don't have to walk across human feces and needles just to get to their front door.

01:26:48.300 How else would they learn about hepatitis C?

01:26:50.520 So now you have a child, and this is personal to you.

01:26:57.880 I mean, what's happening out there, the conditions, the woke-ism, the COVID lockdowns, you know, you're experiencing it firsthand.

01:27:04.620 Yeah, my little boy next month, he turns three.

01:27:09.140 And, man, I was concerned about the world and concerned about the future for children before becoming a father.

01:27:15.840 But since becoming a father, it just magnifies it by a hundredfold.

01:27:20.920 And, you know, whether we like it or not, as parents, we need to realize right now we are authoring what our children's future is going to look like.

01:27:31.260 You know, we're authoring what the landscape is going to look like.

01:27:33.900 Of course, they'll choose how they navigate it.

01:27:36.240 But we, I don't need to tell you, Megan, we have a lot of uphill battle, and I think we've got good momentum, but there's just so much in the way of degenerate forces out there going after children, not only, like, trying to degenerate the world that they will inherit, but they're trying to degenerate the children's minds with all these dangerous ideologies disguised as, you know, virtuous, good, moral things.

01:28:05.280 But it's just like, I think as parents, we need to really recognize the devil masquerades as an angel in disguise, and we need to see through the disguise, see the devil, call it out, and make sure we protect our kids from what's going on in the world, and make sure that we leave nothing, you know, we need to leave it all on the playing field, doing our best to save our country and save our world for our children, because they deserve it.

01:28:32.260 This is why I love talking to comedians, because they, almost to a person, you find out they're incredibly smart, they're very insightful onto our, into our politics, into our culture, and that's what drives your creativity, you know?

01:28:46.880 I mean, I might be insightful in my own way, and that, and then I work it out here at this desk.

01:28:52.280 You guys are so insightful, and you work it out on the stage, or in front of the camera, and you post it on YouTube, and that's why it resonates when people like you really nail it, and then you can translate it in a special way that actually then makes us laugh, too.

01:29:05.880 It's such a gift, JP.

01:29:07.480 So, tell us a little bit about your background.

01:29:09.540 Like, how did you get this gift?

01:29:10.860 Were you always funny, clever?

01:29:13.200 Like, tell us about yourself.

01:29:14.480 Well, again, I'm narcissistic enough, I would say.

01:29:17.960 I've always been funny, and clever, and insightful.

01:29:20.920 But no, you know, I've been a, call it a professional comedian, for about 10 years now.

01:29:26.220 Before that, I was into health coaching, personal training.

01:29:29.880 I loved it.

01:29:31.440 But I never let my sense of humor out in any kind of public way.

01:29:35.920 Yeah, my sense of humor, ever since I was a child, was always pretty strong, developed.

01:29:40.680 I loved making people laugh around me as a way of bringing joy to the world around me and bringing joy to my life.

01:29:47.120 And then about 10 years ago, I just, you know, I just had what I thought was a stupid idea for sharing a perspective through the language of comedy in a video form.

01:29:58.020 And the problem is, I didn't know how to make comedy videos.

01:30:01.240 But I kept, like, I needed to scratch the itch.

01:30:04.060 So, I made what I thought was going to be one comedy video, put it online.

01:30:09.080 And it actually woke up something inside of me.

01:30:12.560 There was this creative satisfaction.

01:30:14.400 And looking a little deeper, you know, in hindsight, I can see, like, oh, I think that was me getting more courageous towards living the plan that God has for me.

01:30:27.940 Because I had my idea of what I was supposed to be doing.

01:30:31.200 And, of course, had my insecurities that I didn't want to touch.

01:30:34.340 But I think I began to kind of really wake up for at least one of the callings that God has for me is I made this comedy video.

01:30:42.480 And then I woke something up inside of me.

01:30:44.480 And then I made a few others.

01:30:46.720 After about a year of making videos once in a while, I realized, oh, I'm like, there's actually something here.

01:30:54.680 Never had a plan where I was going, still don't.

01:30:56.920 But I've just been doing my best to follow my heart and go one step at a time and now feel absolutely blessed to be able to earn a living for my family, making people laugh.

01:31:09.240 But more importantly, hopefully making people think a little bit deeper.

01:31:13.900 For those listening, JP is wearing a T-shirt that reads, my politics, colon, pro-God, pro-God.

01:31:20.480 Good for you for saying it out loud.

01:31:22.100 And you know what?

01:31:22.700 I should also point out one of the other times I saw you publicly was I wasn't there, but they gave me an offer to participate.

01:31:29.660 I don't generally participate in these things, but I was rooting you on at the vaccine rally with RFKJ, right?

01:31:37.260 Back when people were first finding the nerve to say, this is bullshit.

01:31:41.200 We're not going to keep sticking these needles in our arms and you shouldn't be firing people who don't want to do it.

01:31:45.660 So you've you know, you lean into the activism where you really felt it and chomp, chomp, chomp.

01:31:50.680 This is like I mean, I I started pivot from vaccines to chomp, chomp, chomp, but it's about peer pressure.

01:31:56.680 It's something you're worried about for your child and mine.

01:32:00.280 So for the parents out there who want to buy this, what should they expect?

01:32:04.780 Yeah.

01:32:05.320 You know, the one is an entertaining, engaging children's story.

01:32:09.500 It gets their attention.

01:32:10.400 Beautiful illustrations.

01:32:11.420 But the underlying message, it's it's the one message that if I could only share one message is with my son and his father as his father, it would be dear son, do your own thinking, be in touch with your heart and have the courage to follow it.

01:32:28.140 So that's the message embedded in this book and peer pressure.

01:32:32.560 It seems like, well, yeah, we've we've known about that, of course, like peer pressure.

01:32:36.640 We're living in peer pressure 2.0 and we've seen the past three years, almost four years of how many adults in our world didn't get the message about choosing courage over cowardice.

01:32:50.620 When it comes to peer pressure, when it comes to being true to themselves versus falling in line with peer pressure.

01:32:56.300 And in the adult world, we've seen that and we call that obedience and compliance.

01:33:01.820 And I don't think anybody there's no human that's going to have a happy, meaningful life filled with purpose when they just obey, when they just become a slave to peer pressure.

01:33:15.660 But, of course, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

01:33:18.460 So it's a lot of work to unwind that obedient programming in adults.

01:33:24.400 But children have such young, beautiful, innocent, impressionable minds that if we can get the positive message to them in the early stages of their life, it's much easier to take hold.

01:33:36.820 And by the way, most kids out there, I remember when I was a kid, there is nothing that felt better than being courageous.

01:33:44.600 It takes no courage to succumb to peer pressure, but it takes a lot of courage to be true to yourself and be true to God, be true to what you know is right or wrong.

01:33:56.460 So I'm just passionate about getting the message out there because it's the message I want to give to my son and I wanted to make it available to families all around the country as well.

01:34:07.200 Same. You're you're a good dad. And I think I know one of the message messages that you're working on with your son is how not to become toxically masculine.

01:34:17.200 Like far too many American men have become just just turn tune into MSNBC to find out or you can just watch this JP Sears video to see him talk about the issue.

01:34:27.460 Listen here.

01:34:27.840 The great thinkers in our world today who are women with daddy issues and men with mommy issues tell us that the traditional traits of masculinity are toxic and therefore we must redefine masculinity.

01:34:43.120 Strength equals weak masculinity.

01:34:45.860 Long gone are the days when physical strength is part of healthy masculinity.

01:34:50.240 Society tells us that the only reason why men would have the desire to get stronger is so that they can punch harder in their domestic violence endeavors.

01:34:59.160 Couple that with the newfound science that informs us that working out is far right extremism.

01:35:04.380 And you'll realize that having healthy masculinity means you look at opportunities to get stronger and you just say no.

01:35:12.500 No.

01:35:13.680 Amazing feminine queen goddess.

01:35:16.520 Could you carry this water jug for me?

01:35:18.620 Thank you.

01:35:22.860 Thank you for your advocacy.

01:35:24.440 Really appreciate it.

01:35:27.020 Absolutely.

01:35:27.660 It's a joy.

01:35:28.340 And Megan, thank you for being so kind.

01:35:29.920 And thank you for having me on.

01:35:31.920 All right.

01:35:32.460 Wait, you got to tell people where to find the videos because they're all going to want to subscribe now.

01:35:37.060 Yes.

01:35:37.540 If you want to check out the book, you can go to bravebooks.com and all my videos, they're hubbed on my website, links to all the channels at awakenwithjp.com.

01:35:48.620 Awakenwithjp.com.

01:35:51.160 I trust me, you will be so glad you spent some time over there, but just leave some time in your day because it's not going to be a five-minute visit.

01:35:57.480 JP, all the best.

01:35:58.180 Please come back when we have more time.

01:35:59.480 Today was full of hard news, but I would love to talk to you for a longer time.

01:36:03.680 Oh, it'd be a joy.

01:36:04.360 I'm happy to come back any time.

01:36:06.920 Awesome.

01:36:07.420 All the best to you.

01:36:08.400 Okay.

01:36:08.780 And thanks to all of you for listening today and every day.

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01:36:17.080 Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson.

01:36:19.240 And, you know, Eliana and I are co-moderating this debate on NewsNation on 12-6, along with Elizabeth Vargas, who works at NewsNation now.

01:36:28.640 So maybe you'll get some, like, debate tips.

01:36:31.320 Maybe you'll get some insider's info into what we're about to do.

01:36:35.280 Don't miss it and have a great weekend.

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