The Megyn Kelly Show - Young Americans Praise Bin Laden, and Vivek Ramaswamy Takes on CNN, with Bethany Mandel, Karol Markowicz, and More

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.280 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. My God, we've got a jam-packed

00:00:17.020 and important show for you today. Irony on full display in Washington, D.C. last night as pro-Palestinian

00:00:23.240 protesters lash out at the DNC, staging, yes, a violent protest, not mostly peaceful,

00:00:31.060 outside the Democratic headquarters. They went, I was going to use a certain word, I'm not going to

00:00:37.060 use that word, they went crazy. They went crazy out there. They injured six cops. They would not

00:00:43.520 leave. They truly were barbarians inside the gate. It came as a shocking new trend has emerged

00:00:53.220 on TikTok. Yashar Ali, who does great reporting online, he's an independent journalist who's

00:00:59.000 broken a lot of big stories, tweeted this out last night and it's gone completely viral.

00:01:05.400 Young Americans are now expressing support for Osama bin Laden after reading his 2002 letter to

00:01:13.880 America following the 9-11 attacks. And instead of reading this letter and being repulsed by it,

00:01:21.480 their eyes have opened wide to how wise bin Laden was. Joining me now, Bethany Mandel and Carol

00:01:29.960 Markowitz. Bethany is a contributing writer for Deseret News. Carol's a columnist at the New York

00:01:35.360 Post and host of her own podcast, The Carol Markowitz Show. Together, they recently wrote the

00:01:39.480 book, Stolen Youth, how radicals are erasing innocence and indoctrinating a generation. Well,

00:01:45.760 that's on point. Bethany Carol, thank you both so much for being here today. I just, I, but we have

00:01:54.040 to start with the 9-11 thing. It's just too, it's too much for me. I don't, anyone who lived through 9-11

00:01:59.480 is recoiling in horror at what these young people are saying. They've been indoctrinated. Their minds

00:02:08.300 have been twisted. They've been brainwashed. They're weak. They're weak, pathetic souls. And I

00:02:13.960 just posted on Twitter a minute ago to their parents. You failed. You failed them. You failed

00:02:19.480 us. Here's what I'm talking about. Just a sampling of what's been posted. Everyone should read it. If

00:02:26.900 you haven't read it yet, read it. However, be forewarned that this has left me very disillusioned.

00:02:34.340 And I feel the same exact way I felt when I was deconstructing Christianity.

00:02:38.840 I will never look at life the same. I will never look at this country the same. Because in the last

00:02:45.780 20 minutes, my entire viewpoint on the entire life I have believed and I have lived has changed.

00:02:54.840 I need you to stop what you're doing and go read a letter to America. It is literally the craziest

00:03:00.060 thing I've read in a while. And while I can't say that I'm that surprised, I am pretty shocked.

00:03:04.720 In reading the letter, I could only think of this tweet that I saw the other day.

00:03:08.480 Under settler colonialism, any kind of resistance is branded as terrorist because the only acceptable

00:03:13.580 violence is violence by the occupier.

00:03:15.880 This letter, it becomes apparent to me that the actions of 9-11 and those acts committed against the

00:03:22.640 USA and its people were all just the buildup of our government failing other nations.

00:03:28.100 The way this letter is going viral right now is giving me the greatest sense of relief.

00:03:32.340 If you're Muslim and you've lived in the U.S. since 9-11, you know more truth than the

00:03:36.780 typical citizen. Now it's all coming to light because of Palestine.

00:03:39.880 Unbelievable. Just a note to those morons. 3,000 Americans died on 9-11. Four planes were

00:04:02.600 hijacked thanks to bin Laden and his evil plan. Children as young as two and a half were murdered

00:04:08.520 on board the aircraft that took the lives of innocents who just went to work that day.

00:04:13.680 And remember this man, all right? Let's talk about Kevin Cosgrove to all of you assholes now

00:04:20.580 posting your fandom for Osama bin Laden. Kevin Cosgrove was 46 years old. He was in Tower 2.

00:04:28.420 He called 9-1-1 seeking help as the smoke was billowing into his lungs and he knew he was about

00:04:35.620 to die. He had children. He had a wife and he was utterly helpless because of that evil terrorist

00:04:43.200 who you're now praising. Since you don't look at history, I'm bringing it to you.

00:04:49.180 Here's Kevin Cosgrove's 9-1-1 call.

00:04:51.960 Lady, there's two of us in his office. We're not ready to die, but it's getting bad.

00:04:57.540 I am here. We can't get there. We can't get there. We can't get there. We can't get there.

00:05:00.540 We can't get there. We can't get there. We can't get there. We can't get there. I'm trying to let them know where you are.

00:05:04.100 And the fire, sir. And it was smoke, really bad. 105, 2-5. All right. Sit tight. We'll get to you as soon as we can.

00:05:10.760 There's some shame up. There's smoke, really bad, man. That's all we can do.

00:05:15.540 Where are you? What's where are you guys up to?

00:05:17.660 We're getting there. We're getting there. Doesn't feel like it, man. I got young kids.

00:05:21.960 That's, uh, we're on the way.

00:05:23.720 You have everything, sir.

00:05:25.340 I know you do, but it doesn't seem like you've got lots of people up here.

00:05:29.360 I understand.

00:05:30.880 I know you go out in the building, but we're in here.

00:05:32.800 We're in here. We're in here. We're in here. We're in here.

00:05:39.480 I know you have to be in green here. Can't see.

00:05:43.400 It took God to blow your hands on the list.

00:05:45.500 Is anybody else on a child in here?

00:05:54.860 We're young men. We're not ready to die.

00:05:56.840 I'm listening to my right. I called and said I was leaving the building.

00:06:00.220 I was fine. I'm banged.

00:06:04.140 Hello, sir.

00:06:05.020 Hello.

00:06:06.400 How are you?

00:06:06.960 We're looking at all. We're looking at the financial center.

00:06:11.440 Two three of us. Two broken windows.

00:06:13.300 Oh, God!

00:06:34.240 It's upsetting.

00:06:35.340 Kevin died that day, along with 2,977 other Americans.

00:06:42.200 And we have so lost the youth of this country that now, 20 years later, not 70, not 170,

00:06:52.300 they want to look back and rewrite the history of Osama bin Laden because Palestine, because

00:07:01.360 deconstructing, what, colonization, because there's been a mind meld on college campuses

00:07:09.800 that has corrupted and infected and toxified an entire generation.

00:07:15.280 And now your kids and my kids are going to have to deal with these cretins who hate America

00:07:22.780 because we made them, because their parents failed them, their educators failed them,

00:07:28.600 corporate America continues to fail them, the media continues to fail them, and it's the fight

00:07:33.640 for our lives.

00:07:34.780 If you don't think this is coming to a school near you or a community near you, you haven't

00:07:39.020 been paying attention.

00:07:40.640 I'm so angry and I'm so grateful to Yashara Ali for monitoring the lunacy over on that platform,

00:07:47.500 TikTok, because without him, we wouldn't have known this.

00:07:50.820 And we've been seeing it on the streets.

00:07:52.300 We've been seeing it in response to Israel.

00:07:54.100 We've been seeing it last night out in front of the DNC.

00:07:57.540 But this is the most stark example.

00:08:00.000 Their own, their countrymen, 3,000 dead.

00:08:02.680 And they're cheering the man who did it.

00:08:05.480 Instead of reading his letter and realizing, I agree with him, I should reevaluate my views.

00:08:09.780 They read his letter and said, right on, man.

00:08:12.940 America deserved it.

00:08:14.280 I don't even know what to say.

00:08:16.580 Bethany?

00:08:17.860 Yeah, I mean, this is exactly why Carol and I wrote Stolen Youth, because it's not just

00:08:21.960 in college campuses.

00:08:23.320 It's in elementary schools.

00:08:25.020 It's in middle schools.

00:08:25.860 It's in high schools across the country.

00:08:27.800 They want to deconstruct and they want to completely break apart Western civilization.

00:08:32.120 They want children and young adults to believe what those kids believe.

00:08:37.240 They want to believe that America is evil and that Western civilization needs to be destroyed

00:08:41.820 right down to the very foundations that, like, men aren't men and women aren't women and

00:08:45.620 nothing is real.

00:08:47.180 And, you know, it's really scary to see that this is something that is allowed to be said,

00:08:53.740 but it's not surprising at all.

00:08:55.320 Like, we are 40 days past what happened in Israel.

00:08:59.020 And within days, people were starting to question all of the GoPro and all of the telegraph

00:09:04.280 messages that Hamas themselves produced.

00:09:06.540 So if we're going to question what happened on 10-7 when there's ample video evidence,

00:09:13.160 why not question what happened on 9-11 20 years ago?

00:09:16.580 None of them were alive for it.

00:09:17.940 And it's really scary because for, I think, a lot of people of my generation, I'm in my

00:09:23.560 late 30s, 9-11 was a really seminal turning point moment that opened my eyes and changed

00:09:30.700 my entire life.

00:09:32.580 And honestly, in a lot of ways, this is a weird thing to say, and I'm trying not to get

00:09:37.620 canceled, but in a lot of ways for the good, because it made me understand what the world

00:09:43.420 was and that there was good and evil.

00:09:45.120 And as a teenager, I didn't totally understand that.

00:09:47.920 But when you see that take place in front of your eyes, it makes you question everything

00:09:53.080 that's happened, but not in the way that they're questioning it.

00:09:56.640 It made me realize that there is evil in this world, that people will get on a plane and drive

00:10:02.240 it into a building, and they don't care about the innocent lives lost, and that we have to

00:10:06.360 be aware of what makes our country great, and we have to promote that.

00:10:10.220 Because if we don't, we become like them.

00:10:12.860 And they're taking the lesson of 10-7 and twisting it completely in the reverse, that maybe let's

00:10:19.780 see the perspective of the people that raped, violently raped children, that chopped the

00:10:25.580 heads off of babies.

00:10:26.860 There is no perspective there.

00:10:29.060 There is nothing admirable in that point of view.

00:10:32.260 Yeah, there's no context.

00:10:34.000 And if you think that there's something that can be gained from, and I'm using this term

00:10:38.740 very loosely, people like that, then there's something broken inside of you that is perhaps

00:10:44.300 not fixable.

00:10:46.880 It's sick, Carol.

00:10:48.200 I mean, we've been seeing it.

00:10:49.780 It's been right in front of our very eyes now for a long time, but in the past five

00:10:54.760 weeks in particular, the sickness that has spread like the plague across our college campuses

00:11:01.920 and our youth.

00:11:02.800 TikTok is absolutely a part of it.

00:11:05.100 You know, you can't deny that it's an infestation.

00:11:08.260 TikTok is the thing that spreads.

00:11:10.440 It's not the virus itself, but it spreads the virus.

00:11:12.740 And it's, of course, controlled by the Chinese who hate us.

00:11:15.340 They don't allow their kids to have social media from us.

00:11:17.480 They only do this to our children.

00:11:19.640 And I do not let the schools or the parents off the hook.

00:11:23.680 This will not happen to my children.

00:11:25.940 It will.

00:11:26.560 I will go on record and tell you this is not going to happen to my children.

00:11:30.580 We are inoculating them against this shit.

00:11:33.500 Why aren't more parents?

00:11:34.640 Get off your fucking iPhone.

00:11:36.580 Pay attention to your child.

00:11:38.160 Look at your kids' lessons.

00:11:39.900 Get out.

00:11:40.600 Step down from the Women's March, which, by the way, it was totally anti-Semitic and we

00:11:44.580 called it out, as did many at the time.

00:11:47.580 Do some parenting if you're going to bother having a child and stop indoctrinating your

00:11:52.000 own children, to those of you who are on the left, in this pernicious, woke ideology,

00:11:56.460 because this is where it lands.

00:11:58.040 I'm very fired up about it, Carol.

00:11:59.500 I feel like we're totally forgetting.

00:12:00.980 We're forgetting 9-11.

00:12:02.780 And it's, you know what's going to happen?

00:12:04.200 It's going to happen again.

00:12:06.000 Right.

00:12:06.440 I absolutely am with you.

00:12:09.680 I'm fired up about this also.

00:12:11.260 The idea that my children will someday be making excuses for mass murder is one that

00:12:16.000 I just can't abide by.

00:12:17.640 It's such an indictment of our education system that these American kids don't realize that

00:12:22.440 they're born, you know, I don't even think third base.

00:12:25.580 They're basically born on home plate.

00:12:27.300 And they've been led to believe that they live in this terrible country.

00:12:30.100 I was born in the Soviet Union.

00:12:32.480 I write this piece every year on my Americaversary about how grateful I am to be here, about

00:12:38.100 how much I know that my life could have been so different.

00:12:41.340 I make sure that my kids understand that.

00:12:43.340 And I think just the luck that you have to have to be born in the greatest country in

00:12:48.160 world history and think that you're somehow, you know, born in a bad place and these are

00:12:54.120 the colonizers or whatever nonsense, as if these people wouldn't slit your throats, as

00:12:58.840 if these people wouldn't fly you into a building on the airplane.

00:13:02.760 They just found the body of a peace activist that Hamas had murdered.

00:13:07.460 They didn't care that she had stood up for them, that she had tried to make peace with

00:13:11.460 the Palestinians, that she had wanted a better life for all the Palestinians.

00:13:15.300 They didn't care about any of that.

00:13:16.400 They murdered her anyway.

00:13:18.040 So, yeah, you know, one of the things that I would also say is that as we've been traveling

00:13:22.200 around to promote stolen youth, I've heard from so many parents who are like, I lost

00:13:26.900 my child to this ideology.

00:13:29.120 And I'll say to them, like, did you did you talk about it at home?

00:13:32.040 And they're like, not really.

00:13:32.960 I thought, you know, I thought they went to a good school.

00:13:35.060 I thought that they had good friends.

00:13:37.000 I thought we lived in a good society.

00:13:38.800 If you don't say it to your children, if you don't live your values and talk about your

00:13:43.080 values and tell them about your beliefs, somebody else is going to fill in that information.

00:13:47.320 And it might be somebody saying, hey, 9-11 wasn't that bad.

00:13:52.200 And we're not going to repeat the contents of the Bin Laden letter here, but suffice it

00:13:55.540 to say, it's all about how terrible America is and Israel and Palestine, like he was in

00:14:01.840 common cause with the Palestinians.

00:14:03.820 And then it went on.

00:14:05.400 I guess they missed the part about how we're doing.

00:14:08.340 We're living lives of debauchery over here in America.

00:14:11.600 It didn't much like the fact that we had female waitresses.

00:14:14.500 I mean, like, this is a madman.

00:14:17.100 You're a bunch of dumbasses.

00:14:18.760 You're either ignorant or you're crazy.

00:14:20.500 I don't really care.

00:14:22.060 I just don't want you to have any power.

00:14:23.740 And I really don't want your voices circulated over and over and over again.

00:14:26.760 Now, apparently, TikTok is saying, OK, we're going to remove this content because it violates

00:14:30.580 our our policy.

00:14:31.840 OK, sure.

00:14:32.620 After you've gotten the message everywhere.

00:14:34.460 And they've been they've been the propaganda kings during the whole aftermath of Israel.

00:14:38.880 TikTok is what's helping poison the minds of half these young people who are out on the

00:14:43.320 streets right now, thinking that they're somehow avenging the innocents who killed all of those

00:14:50.160 evil Israelis on 10-7, Bethany.

00:14:53.200 I mean, that's really what we're seeing is the messaging that you see on TikTok over and

00:14:56.740 over gets repeated on these campuses.

00:14:59.120 Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

00:15:00.160 I mean, what I don't understand is why we're not having a conversation that is imminent about

00:15:05.380 banning TikTok.

00:15:06.080 This is a mind control apparatus that the Chinese Communist Party is operating on our

00:15:11.560 children, and they're very successful.

00:15:14.280 They're they're achieving their their stated goal.

00:15:17.160 And we're just sort of like allowing this to happen as if we don't know what's what the

00:15:22.560 game is here.

00:15:23.300 And a lot of it is because you touched about it.

00:15:25.960 You touched on it a second ago.

00:15:27.240 They're like, put your iPhone down and actually parent your kids.

00:15:30.240 People aren't parenting as a verb anymore.

00:15:33.120 No one is actively parenting.

00:15:34.720 And it's the same with the United States government.

00:15:38.020 They don't want to actively parent and take TikTok away because they know that people are

00:15:42.920 going to be mad.

00:15:44.320 And Democrats are like, well, you know, the youth vote is so much so much at the core of

00:15:49.280 of how we win.

00:15:50.700 We don't want to take those people off.

00:15:51.960 I'm like, I'm sorry.

00:15:53.000 Sometimes you have to do things that you have to do, even when you're the bad guy, even

00:15:57.780 when, you know, my kids all have a stomach virus right now and they all want to eat candy

00:16:02.600 right now, which is usually what I do in exchange for a Megyn Kelly hit.

00:16:05.980 And they're not getting it today because sorry, y'all, it's not good for you.

00:16:10.500 Sometimes you have to be the bad guy.

00:16:13.240 Right.

00:16:13.860 Social media is very dangerous.

00:16:16.560 The younger you introduce it, the worse it is.

00:16:18.760 And then you don't monitor it, monitor it.

00:16:20.960 Right.

00:16:21.200 We talk about like the wine moms put down the wine, step away from the Chardonnay, pick

00:16:26.320 up your child's phone and throw it in the toilet.

00:16:29.320 If you have a particularly young child, that young kids should not be on social media, period.

00:16:34.420 They should not be on social media.

00:16:36.560 Pay attention.

00:16:37.300 You need to get junior a phone because you've got to pick them up after soccer and you have

00:16:40.920 to coordinate.

00:16:41.980 Fine.

00:16:42.440 Do it.

00:16:43.000 Okay.

00:16:43.440 But a lot of parents do that.

00:16:44.740 You don't need social media.

00:16:46.100 That's what all the experts have been saying.

00:16:47.500 It isn't the phone that's causing the damage.

00:16:49.780 It's the social media.

00:16:51.240 Keep your kid off of it.

00:16:52.860 You're the other kids will figure out how to text junior in order to get him to the party.

00:16:58.140 If they if you cultivate a child who's interesting, who's kind, who's fun to be with, they will

00:17:02.980 find a way they'll remember the magic of texting and reach out to your boy or your girl.

00:17:08.340 He doesn't have to be on TikTok or Snapchat, which has all these backdoors to bullying.

00:17:13.680 It's led directly to tales of suicide that I've witnessed firsthand myself with activists

00:17:19.600 and moms who have lost children.

00:17:21.580 Just stop.

00:17:22.500 It's not worth it.

00:17:23.240 I had I had a woman come up to me a couple of years ago who shall remain nameless and

00:17:27.660 say, you know, my daughter, she seems like she's in a great mood.

00:17:30.960 And then, Carol, she's like she goes on the phone.

00:17:33.620 This is this at this time.

00:17:34.920 This girl was 10 or 11.

00:17:36.100 She goes on the phone and she emerges in a terrible mood.

00:17:39.840 She's angry.

00:17:40.920 And she the mom said to me, I don't know what to do about it.

00:17:45.540 You don't really let me help you.

00:17:48.780 Right.

00:17:49.680 Yeah.

00:17:50.240 The idea of people keep using the the analogy that these phones or these apps are similar

00:17:56.100 to heroin or crack or something.

00:17:58.580 Well, you wouldn't pay for your kids, heroin or crack.

00:18:01.780 And yet here you are paying for their phone, letting them have this addiction, letting them

00:18:07.040 have this bad stuff go on in their lives.

00:18:09.720 I think that the oversight is really the whole thing here.

00:18:13.420 It's you know, even if you allow your kids to be on these apps, which is a bad idea for

00:18:18.400 most ages.

00:18:19.320 I think that the idea that you have to oversee is one that parents just can't let go of.

00:18:24.620 You know, I'm not a wine mom.

00:18:25.880 I like whiskey, but I make sure that I know every single thing that my kids are doing on

00:18:29.940 the Internet.

00:18:30.720 There's no universe where I'm not aware of every single thing that they look at or pay

00:18:35.120 attention to or, you know, which Mr. Beast video they're particularly into.

00:18:39.460 I know all of it.

00:18:40.560 And that's the way you have to be.

00:18:41.740 And it's hard, but it's necessary.

00:18:44.740 Yes.

00:18:45.460 So.

00:18:46.940 It's deeply upsetting to me.

00:18:48.860 I'm I thank God for women like you.

00:18:52.160 Thank God.

00:18:52.540 How many what child are you on now, Bethany?

00:18:54.620 Six final answer, six.

00:18:58.100 Thank God.

00:18:59.120 They'll finally answer.

00:19:00.120 Thank God we need that.

00:19:01.640 We need more sane people reproducing because our kids are in for the battle of their lives.

00:19:07.620 We need more normies.

00:19:09.120 That's what we need.

00:19:09.640 Just normies people.

00:19:11.020 It's fine.

00:19:11.420 You can support Palestine.

00:19:12.660 You don't like Israel.

00:19:13.640 You know, OK, that's fine.

00:19:15.060 That's a position you can hold.

00:19:16.440 I don't agree with you, but whatever.

00:19:19.400 This is next level lunacy.

00:19:21.080 There's something wrong with you.

00:19:22.060 You your parents failed, your system failed and you're a failure.

00:19:25.440 And now our kids are going to have to do cleanup because of you.

00:19:27.800 They're going to have to work harder.

00:19:28.760 They're going to have to distract themselves from their lovely lives of hard work and family

00:19:32.840 and growth and creativity to deal with your issues, which they'll do because our kids will

00:19:38.240 be strong enough to handle you.

00:19:39.400 But I wish it weren't so I wish we were all in it together like America used to be.

00:19:44.500 Let's get to what happened outside of the DNC.

00:19:47.700 So actually, before I show this video again, let's just spend a moment on what happened

00:19:51.340 in D.C. at the DNC, but in D.C.

00:19:54.780 two days ago at the the March for Israel, which was extraordinary.

00:19:59.500 And the numbers range from one hundred and fifty thousand to, you know, up.

00:20:03.960 But there were thousands and thousands and thousands of people out there supporting Israel.

00:20:09.440 It was calm.

00:20:10.880 It was beautiful.

00:20:12.500 They were singing songs.

00:20:14.160 They were embracing their.

00:20:16.180 It wasn't covered in hateful signs.

00:20:18.980 People weren't wearing masks to to mask what they were doing.

00:20:22.480 This is in the beginning when when the one particular area and then people just started

00:20:27.680 coming in by the droves.

00:20:30.700 They were just making a point about love and life and support for Israel.

00:20:34.840 And then there were there was bipartisan support amongst people who were there.

00:20:38.800 I know.

00:20:39.300 I think you went, Bethany.

00:20:40.520 You were there.

00:20:40.900 Yes.

00:20:41.760 Yeah, I was with all six.

00:20:44.480 Oh, wow.

00:20:45.000 Good for you.

00:20:45.960 So why don't you describe it in your own words?

00:20:48.480 Yeah, it was beautiful.

00:20:49.200 I mean, the crowd estimates were close to three hundred thousand people and it was the security

00:20:56.200 wasn't great.

00:20:57.220 I wish it were better.

00:20:58.860 It's sad that that's sort of like the top priority for a Jewish gathering, that the security

00:21:03.580 has to be top notch.

00:21:05.360 But thank God, like there were this.

00:21:07.760 The fear was of people coming from the outside, but none of them showed up, which was luck.

00:21:13.600 Everyone there, we didn't need security because it was a bunch of singing, a bunch of

00:21:19.200 high school kids and college kids and so, so, so many families.

00:21:23.080 And I mean, my kids, they range in age from 10 to one.

00:21:26.920 And they were playing with all the kids around us and singing songs and running around and,

00:21:33.040 you know, singing the Israeli national anthem and chanting USA, USA.

00:21:38.540 That's my daughter and her friend.

00:21:40.120 Yeah.

00:21:40.860 And it was beautiful.

00:21:42.020 It was really it was such a wonderful display because there were probably an equal number

00:21:46.340 of American flags and Israeli flags and they were, they were proud and they were happy

00:21:52.980 and they were so grateful for the American support.

00:21:57.060 Because everyone there, a lot of them were not Jewish.

00:22:01.120 And I think that that's like really an undercover part of the rally.

00:22:04.640 There were a lot of Christians there and they understood that, you know, what we are doing

00:22:10.480 in what we are doing in Israel is look at that to the direct benefit of the Western world.

00:22:16.200 This is not just Israel's fight.

00:22:18.240 And we're seeing that.

00:22:19.420 I mean, in the next segment, we're talking about what's happening outside of the DNC.

00:22:22.940 Like that is Hamas sympathizers.

00:22:25.300 And if Israel doesn't handle the Hamas problem there, it will come here and it will get worse.

00:22:31.840 And that's something that everyone there understood that this is not just an Israeli problem.

00:22:36.860 This is a Western world infection and we have to, we have to eradicate it.

00:22:44.020 So you, you see the approach that Israel supporters, many people who were Israeli there, American,

00:22:50.500 of course, Christian, non-Christian, Jewish, whatever, all there in solidarity and a peaceful

00:22:55.340 show support for Israel, our closest ally in the Middle East.

00:22:58.440 And then you see these lunatics go out in front of the DNC.

00:23:02.240 They're mad at the DNC.

00:23:03.340 This is the Democratic National Committee headquarters because they're not demanding a ceasefire

00:23:08.120 because they feel they're too pro-Israel.

00:23:11.360 And of course, a ceasefire means giving up.

00:23:13.520 A ceasefire means Hamas regroups and attacks Israel again.

00:23:16.220 That's why people don't want a ceasefire.

00:23:17.940 People say, oh, it's because you want dead children.

00:23:19.740 No, it's because they want, they want fewer dead children.

00:23:22.080 And the only way to stop the dead children is to stop Hamas.

00:23:24.680 So they go outside of the DNC.

00:23:28.140 And honestly, like this behavior was so bad.

00:23:31.020 I can't believe there weren't mass arrests.

00:23:33.400 Cops got hurt.

00:23:34.460 I think only a couple of people got arrested.

00:23:36.920 There was no tear gas either, which was confusing to me.

00:23:40.520 One, one person got arrested.

00:23:42.300 Six cops got hurt.

00:23:44.040 The reports were that they were actually, the protesters were pepper spraying the cops.

00:23:49.000 Then they denied that, said it was the other way around.

00:23:51.060 The cops stand by this story.

00:23:52.660 Watch, look, look at, look at the videos.

00:24:02.080 For the listening audience, these are cops pulling with all their might to try to get

00:24:07.100 these protesters in locked arms away.

00:24:09.780 We're outside the Democratic Party headquarters because this party claims to be on the side

00:24:13.240 of life and peace and equality.

00:24:16.000 And we're saying that we want them to live up to their values and oppose this horrific

00:24:19.600 war and call for a ceasefire now.

00:24:22.220 Protesters fighting police.

00:24:30.480 Not complying.

00:24:32.660 Get back now!

00:24:34.980 Get back!

00:24:35.600 Get back!

00:24:37.040 Fuck you!

00:24:37.720 Fuck you!

00:24:38.500 Fuck you!

00:24:39.040 That was a woman.

00:24:43.340 It was a black woman in the face of a white cop saying, fuck you.

00:24:46.960 Fuck you, bitch.

00:24:48.480 As he was trying to keep her back from storming the doors.

00:24:53.380 They were there in droves.

00:24:54.520 All the cops were trying to do was push him back.

00:24:56.200 Get away from the doors.

00:24:57.100 There were people inside.

00:24:58.240 There were lawmakers inside.

00:24:59.700 Get away from the doors.

00:25:01.220 Let them leave.

00:25:02.040 Stop it.

00:25:02.700 They were undermanned.

00:25:03.880 This is a trend now in D.C.

00:25:05.680 They don't know how to do crowd control anymore.

00:25:08.400 They were undermanned.

00:25:10.000 And the hospital, I mean, can you imagine, truly, can you imagine going out there to

00:25:13.560 protest, which is wonderful.

00:25:15.500 God bless America.

00:25:16.460 You can do that.

00:25:17.200 I do love that about our country.

00:25:18.880 It's crazy when you read these things in France, like they're not allowed to protest,

00:25:21.980 so it's particularly brave for them to be out there.

00:25:23.800 What?

00:25:24.480 What?

00:25:25.720 You forget our core rights and how important they are.

00:25:28.440 But this isn't protest.

00:25:29.580 This is riotous behavior.

00:25:30.800 This is unlawful behavior.

00:25:32.260 This is false imprisonment of the people who are inside.

00:25:34.440 When you ban across the door and don't let them out, they should all be arrested.

00:25:37.500 They should be in prison right now.

00:25:39.000 But they're not in prison.

00:25:40.700 They're probably going to be back again tonight in some other location.

00:25:44.960 And that's their anger just at the D.N.C.

00:25:47.340 I'd hate to think if you guys were there, you know, openly representing that you're Jewish

00:25:53.060 and waving Israeli flags, what they would have done to you.

00:25:57.040 It's lawlessness.

00:25:59.360 I mean, it's true chaos right on the streets of Washington with lawmakers having to evacuate

00:26:03.380 the Capitol, members of Congress having to be evacuated from that building.

00:26:08.340 And there will be no punishment, ladies.

00:26:10.260 Will there?

00:26:10.560 I mean, am I am I underestimating our D.C. authorities?

00:26:14.220 No, I mean, if there was going to be a punishment, they would have been arrested last night.

00:26:17.680 They should have been tear gassed.

00:26:18.600 I mean, if you want to rewind to January 6th, a woman was shot when she was trying to

00:26:23.040 enter the Capitol.

00:26:24.360 And by the way, I think she should have been.

00:26:27.360 If you're if you're violent and you're climbing through a window towards lawmakers, you lose

00:26:33.060 the right to any expectation of like gentleness.

00:26:38.280 And all of those folks like it should have started with tear gas and it should have ended

00:26:43.120 with we are going to open fire.

00:26:45.200 If you are trying to enter that building like game is over.

00:26:48.940 And this is, again, the lack of parenting, but on the part of the police, no one wants

00:26:55.220 to stand up and say it's time to stop now or there will be consequences.

00:27:00.560 They had no issue offering that advice to all the folks on January 6th.

00:27:06.820 There were consequences and there are continued consequences.

00:27:09.920 I think it was like last week someone was finally submitted himself for prison time for what

00:27:15.080 he did on January 6th.

00:27:16.780 I don't really care.

00:27:18.420 I'm not sympathetic.

00:27:19.540 If you went into the Capitol building unlawfully, I like you.

00:27:24.280 You've surrendered your right to to freedom.

00:27:27.920 Same same thing applies here.

00:27:30.000 But they should.

00:27:30.780 So I I don't know about that because there were some people there were some absolute criminals

00:27:34.620 on January 6th who belong in prison.

00:27:36.240 The ones who fought with the cops, they can F right off.

00:27:38.780 But there were others who were waved in, like didn't actually did not realize that they

00:27:42.220 were not allowed to be there, who are being treated like they're hardcore criminals.

00:27:45.460 And I don't think that the that the shooting of Ashley Babbitt was OK.

00:27:48.640 I really don't.

00:27:49.200 I don't.

00:27:49.460 I did not see deadly force coming from her or a deadly threat to that cop.

00:27:54.080 But, you know, should she have been manhandled?

00:27:57.080 Should she have been, you know, pushed back?

00:27:58.640 Should like a rubber bullet or tear gas?

00:28:01.040 I would have been OK with that.

00:28:01.980 And I would have been fine with tear gas or a rubber bullet here.

00:28:04.680 Get out.

00:28:05.500 You're breaking the law and you're endangering people.

00:28:08.380 But they don't like the problem is, Carol, they don't man these things appropriately.

00:28:11.700 They continue to underestimate the violence of these crowds.

00:28:14.960 And then they sort of act like, oh, gee, I guess.

00:28:17.500 And then no arrests, just like we're seeing coast to coast in this country.

00:28:21.480 So you know what that breeds?

00:28:22.440 A whole lot more of it.

00:28:24.400 Yeah.

00:28:24.960 Part of why I think it was so important to see this march for Israel, you know, 300,000

00:28:29.420 people almost, you know, meeting together and marching peacefully, no fires, no assaults,

00:28:34.780 no tearing, tearing down American flags, just singing and praying and being together

00:28:39.160 is that I think Americans forgot that protests don't have to be violent.

00:28:43.880 They don't have to have fires.

00:28:45.160 I mean, when CNN reported that it was a mostly peaceful protest that had, you know, fires

00:28:49.320 in the background, I think they changed the conversation to what protest is really like.

00:28:53.480 I think that we've collectively and maybe not, you know, the three of us here, but a lot

00:28:57.160 of people just believe that that's, oh, that's how protests go now.

00:29:00.020 They get violent.

00:29:00.780 They get into cop spaces.

00:29:01.960 They break things and they smash things and nothing is done about it.

00:29:07.280 I think the fact that the police often stand down in these situations is a testament to

00:29:12.960 where the police are forced to do, what they're forced to do.

00:29:16.320 I don't think that they want to stand down.

00:29:18.040 I think that they're kind of ordered to.

00:29:20.180 And I think that what we've got right now is so little policing going on and so little

00:29:25.220 security going on.

00:29:26.300 It's partly why Americans are so worried about their physical safety and just generally

00:29:31.000 about the country's direction, because they feel that nobody is there to protect them.

00:29:35.760 And I think that it would go a long way to see better security at these protests, better

00:29:41.180 policing, better all of this to make us feel like a normal country again, where these kinds

00:29:46.760 of things, we don't stand for them.

00:29:48.220 And unfortunately, it's not just D.C.

00:29:49.840 It's happening all over the country.

00:29:51.340 It's happening in places like London, where, you know, where are the police when there's thousands

00:29:55.620 and thousands of people breaking stuff and tearing stuff down, and they're just nowhere

00:29:59.120 to be found there.

00:30:02.120 Imagine yourself going to a protest and locking arm in arm with your fellow protesters so that

00:30:07.880 you can falsely imprison the people inside the building behind you.

00:30:10.960 And then when the cops come and tell you to disperse, you won't.

00:30:14.540 And then you fight them.

00:30:16.120 They're trying to pull you off the steps and you fight the cops like the cops don't have

00:30:21.900 enough challenges.

00:30:22.820 They've got to deal with your lazy ass.

00:30:25.680 That's probably contributing absolutely nothing to society other than this moment of being

00:30:30.040 some sort of a rebel rouser.

00:30:31.940 And you fight.

00:30:32.880 And you know what?

00:30:33.560 What do you think is going to happen to you?

00:30:35.100 What do you think is going to happen to you?

00:30:36.480 But the cops won't take it next level because all we're seeing in New York, in D.C., in other

00:30:43.160 cities is payouts to the protesters after the protest.

00:30:47.640 If cops actually do what they need to do to disperse the crowd, they wind up saying, oh,

00:30:52.580 I was battered.

00:30:53.660 I know you're into this also, but we're not supposed to name these protesters so that we

00:30:57.560 don't make the mistake of hiring them.

00:30:59.060 I don't want to hire somebody that does this to police officers.

00:31:01.820 I don't want to hire somebody who blocks the door to keep people from inside.

00:31:05.420 I think that the idea that this is free speech or that they should be protected for some of

00:31:10.380 their speech is ridiculous.

00:31:12.260 It's not about speech anymore.

00:31:13.620 These are riots.

00:31:14.420 I don't want to hire rioters.

00:31:15.700 I'm sure lots of other people don't either, partly why I think these people need to be

00:31:19.460 named and openly, you know, we know we know who they are and and we don't want to have

00:31:24.560 them working for us.

00:31:25.420 And I think that that's a very sane and normal thing to think right now.

00:31:29.060 That's absolutely right.

00:31:30.200 This is like who who would want to hire one of these lunatics and they can say they can

00:31:34.480 say everything they want.

00:31:35.280 You know what?

00:31:35.660 I'm sure that they can they can get hired by the U.N.

00:31:39.180 They can get hired by the the national chapter of Students for Justice in Palestine.

00:31:43.380 I think Candace Owens is hiring these interns right now.

00:31:46.660 They've got a lot of options in front of them.

00:31:49.600 Yeah, no, I mean, I also I want to just make sure that I'm I'm pushing through the point

00:31:54.760 that I don't blame the cops here.

00:31:56.640 They understand that they're they they don't have they're not their backs are not being

00:32:01.280 held by anyone.

00:32:02.360 This is why it's so hard to find people who will sign up, because when you think about

00:32:06.760 the job description, like who would be interested, we would like you to put your life on the

00:32:11.920 line.

00:32:12.460 But if you misstep at all, you will be publicly shamed.

00:32:16.980 You will be eviscerated.

00:32:18.660 And like no one in your county, no one in your state, no one maybe even in your precinct

00:32:24.580 will stand up for you.

00:32:25.840 And so when they see all of these things happening, the only leverage they really have

00:32:30.760 is, you know, sort of standing there on ground.

00:32:33.420 But why would they why would they push back with any resembling lethal force when they

00:32:38.760 know that if they do so, they do it at their own personal peril?

00:32:42.240 Well, and lethal, we don't want lethal is a bridge too far.

00:32:45.200 Lethal would have been some of these BLM protests, those those BLM riots where they were burning

00:32:49.860 shit down and people were actually dying.

00:32:52.080 Like this, no, you don't have lethal, but you do know, but in response to that, it's

00:32:56.680 lethal.

00:32:57.400 If you're burning buildings down with people inside them, that's when you use lethal force.

00:33:03.040 Of course.

00:33:03.420 But you're saying here, which this did not warrant lethal force, but this warrants show

00:33:07.740 force.

00:33:08.320 Yeah.

00:33:08.560 And the cops just outpired.

00:33:09.600 A good time to say that Bethany and I do not agree on everything.

00:33:14.520 We do have a lot of, you know, crossover, but sometimes we just veer into our own directions.

00:33:19.820 But if you're lighting buildings on fire, we're all on the same page, right?

00:33:24.880 That's lethal force.

00:33:27.120 Yeah.

00:33:27.600 I mean, obviously, but yes, if you are caught in the act of setting the building on fire,

00:33:31.640 sure.

00:33:32.120 Yes.

00:33:32.440 I mean, you can use it.

00:33:33.620 Basically, the law says, you know, lethal, like if you, if you are causing a lethality,

00:33:39.140 the police can respond to you appropriately with lethal force.

00:33:41.940 That's basically, it has to match, you know?

00:33:43.600 So if you're not posing an actual threat to somebody's life, they can't shoot you.

00:33:47.180 They can't take you out.

00:33:47.820 That's why if you try to carjack somebody and then you run away, they can't shoot you

00:33:52.300 in the back.

00:33:52.900 But if you're running with a machine gun and you've just shot somebody, then they can shoot

00:33:56.800 you.

00:33:57.640 Yeah.

00:33:58.140 Same page.

00:33:59.200 Okay.

00:33:59.940 All right.

00:34:00.460 There we go.

00:34:01.100 You mentioned the peace, mostly peaceful lie.

00:34:04.320 We saw the ABC, ABC News chief White House correspondent calling some of these protests

00:34:08.340 passionate when they looked like this about two weeks ago.

00:34:12.420 And that brings me to Staten Island, where you guys know Julio Rosas.

00:34:17.440 He's been doing a lot of great reporting.

00:34:18.720 He's been on the show.

00:34:19.640 He documented a lot of the Antifa stuff and so on.

00:34:22.300 And now he's gotten some, his sub stack is called mostly peaceful because he's been living

00:34:27.660 in the middle of these things for years now, putting the lie to it.

00:34:29.900 And here's what he found at a pro-Palestine protest out in Staten Island.

00:34:33.420 We don't want no Tuesday.

00:34:36.960 We don't want no Tuesday.

00:34:39.000 We want 48.

00:34:41.200 We want 48.

00:34:42.980 From New York to Gaza.

00:34:45.180 From New York to Gaza.

00:34:47.480 Globalize the Antifa.

00:34:49.580 Globalize the Antifa.

00:34:51.680 They said they were going to line up this building blue for Israel.

00:34:55.100 Look at these disgusting lights behind.

00:34:56.680 Oh!

00:34:56.860 Volumous elected officials that went out with one-sided statements in support of genocide.

00:35:06.060 We will not forget them.

00:35:07.740 We will go to them in restaurants.

00:35:10.060 We will go to them in front of their homes.

00:35:12.180 You can't!

00:35:14.140 You can't!

00:35:15.720 You can't!

00:35:18.220 Starting to sound a lot like Maxine Waters, right?

00:35:21.980 Get in their face.

00:35:23.000 We will go to them.

00:35:23.980 And maybe you could shed some light on we don't want no Tuesday.

00:35:29.080 We want 48 for the listening audience that didn't get what that means.

00:35:33.360 There's this idea that the Palestinians just want their own state, that Hamas is really just,

00:35:40.140 you know, murdering babies and raping women and kidnapping grandmas just because they don't

00:35:46.400 have their own state and they really, really want one.

00:35:49.080 That's just not the case.

00:35:50.760 They do not want their own state.

00:35:52.520 They've turned down their own state a number of times.

00:35:55.560 What they want is for Israel not to exist and for Jews not to have any place to live in the

00:36:01.620 Middle East at all because at the moment, Jews don't live in any of the countries surrounding

00:36:06.180 Israel except Israel.

00:36:08.060 And that's, you know, the way that they want this to go.

00:36:11.020 I think that a lot of people, I remember AOC came out for the two-state solution at one

00:36:15.900 point or early in her career and she said, you know, she supports a two-state solution

00:36:20.820 and then she had to walk it back the next day because that is no longer what the left

00:36:25.000 believes.

00:36:25.540 They believe in one state called Palestine, no Israel, no Jews.

00:36:29.460 And the idea that from the river to the sea doesn't mean specifically genociding Jews.

00:36:34.300 Everybody knows that it does.

00:36:35.740 So I think that there maybe are some people who say things that they don't understand.

00:36:39.680 I want people to understand that there is no two-state solution that any of these people

00:36:44.500 would be in support of.

00:36:45.620 What they want is for Jews to disappear from the region.

00:36:48.860 And what I'm telling people all the time is if you support Palestinians, if you support

00:36:53.040 a free Palestine, if you support a state for them, then the first step is that they need

00:36:58.040 to understand that Israel is not going anywhere.

00:37:00.820 It's not happening.

00:37:01.820 It's just, it's so off the table.

00:37:03.500 And if you support Palestinians and you want them to have good lives, you'll push them

00:37:08.540 to accept that reality because that really is step one.

00:37:12.560 And so 48 would be at a time when Israel didn't yet have a country, when the Jews did not yet

00:37:16.960 have a country.

00:37:17.540 And that's, they're making very clear.

00:37:18.780 That's what they want to go back to is for all of you people want to pretend these are

00:37:21.660 a bunch of peaceniks because exactly how's that going to happen without the elimination

00:37:25.440 of all those pesky Jews who live there now?

00:37:28.520 Explain that to me, right?

00:37:30.280 All right, let's take a brief pause.

00:37:32.220 We'll squeeze in a commercial break and we'll come back much, much more as Bethany

00:37:35.140 and Carol stay with us.

00:37:40.440 The media, of course, continues to play its expected role in covering what's happening

00:37:44.960 over in Israel.

00:37:46.100 Most recently, we've been talking from the beginning of this whole conflict about how

00:37:49.620 Hamas has been using hospitals in Gaza as their terrorist operations base, bases.

00:37:57.600 And that's certainly the case at Al-Shifa Hospital.

00:38:00.220 And Israel went in to try to take care of that problem and did so, I think, in the most

00:38:06.580 responsible, judicious way you could ever ask someone to go into enemy headquarters and

00:38:14.720 then document it all.

00:38:15.860 I mean, it's great that they document everything.

00:38:17.420 I was just thinking, like, what a pain in the ass for Israel because they know everybody's

00:38:21.600 going to make up lies about them.

00:38:23.040 To have to videotape every single thing they do, right?

00:38:26.500 To show you, look at all the machine guns we found underneath the cardiac resuscitation

00:38:31.320 machine, right?

00:38:32.240 Like, look at, and they did.

00:38:33.760 They put it all out.

00:38:35.160 And yet, and yet, Carol, the international media doesn't seem to care.

00:38:40.680 The World Health Organization called the incursion into this hospital totally unacceptable.

00:38:46.780 Hospitals are not battlegrounds.

00:38:48.760 And then my pal, yeah, except when Hamas makes them so.

00:38:54.040 And then my pal, Alan Dershowitz, he pointed out that Human Rights Watch, which is nothing

00:39:00.700 of the kind, it is not what it sounds like, they're outraged.

00:39:06.140 Their headline on this was unlawful Israeli hospital strikes, worsen health crisis.

00:39:11.800 This was actually on the other hospital nightmare, I think.

00:39:17.860 But in any event, they, of course, paint the Israeli military's behavior terrible.

00:39:22.740 And what they say is, the Israeli military's repeated, apparently unlawful attacks on medical

00:39:27.440 facilities, personnel, and transport are further destroying the Gaza Strip's healthcare system

00:39:32.160 and should be investigated as war crimes.

00:39:35.920 Contrast that with 2017, when it was America battling in Mosul against ISIS.

00:39:45.260 And we had to go in and take out a hospital that ISIS was using as a headquarters.

00:39:50.720 And there, Human Rights Watch could see the, they could see the truth.

00:39:54.320 They said, Islamic State, also known as ISIS fighters, who had occupied a Mosul hospital

00:39:59.160 for two years, put staff and patients at risk of attack.

00:40:02.740 Yes, exactly.

00:40:04.680 But when it's Jews, it's very hard for Human Rights Watch to see the contrast, Carol.

00:40:10.300 They're really struggling to see who's actually the victim and who's the victor.

00:40:15.560 What's interesting is that it wasn't even, you know, an open secret that Al-Shifa hospital

00:40:20.520 was used as a Hamas center.

00:40:21.840 It's been, I didn't even think it was a secret at all.

00:40:24.320 It was something that I think so many people knew.

00:40:26.760 I would not call myself a Mideast expert.

00:40:29.240 I know quite a lot about it, but I, you know, I leave the expert label to other people.

00:40:33.020 And I had heard about the command center under it.

00:40:35.940 There have been comedians over the years who have made jokes about it.

00:40:38.980 It is not a secret at all that this was going on.

00:40:41.640 And so what I don't get is the conspiracy theories around it.

00:40:44.800 Like, oh, no, there isn't.

00:40:46.240 And so why would Israel spend all this time there?

00:40:48.680 Why would they put soldiers on the ground to go inside this hospital

00:40:52.640 if they don't believe that it has weapons,

00:40:55.020 if they don't believe that there's a chance that hostages are being held there,

00:40:57.800 if they don't believe that there's a command center,

00:40:59.480 why would they waste all this time?

00:41:01.180 Who is this benefiting?

00:41:02.240 Make your conspiracy theories make sense is all I'm looking for here.

00:41:06.140 And so, so far, none of them do.

00:41:07.720 And I don't understand the argument that Israel is just what wanted to hurt people

00:41:12.960 who are staying in the hospital.

00:41:14.320 They could have, you know, bombed the hospital if that was the case.

00:41:17.460 Right.

00:41:17.780 And they don't do that.

00:41:19.000 So the fact that Israel does these really careful incursions where they do document everything

00:41:23.960 is a real testament to the idea of and a real testament to the way that Israel conducts itself.

00:41:29.660 Yeah.

00:41:29.940 Even Human Rights Watch, which I just mentioned, look, this is all found in the hospital,

00:41:33.140 admitted in 2007 that Hamas had fired at its Palestinian rival from within this hospital.

00:41:40.320 They knew very well, but they've weirdly forgotten it all now that it's Israel on the other side of it.

00:41:46.860 Here's the BBC trying to report on what happened there.

00:41:51.320 Watch in Sot 10.

00:41:52.880 At this moment, we are hearing from Reuters that is reporting that Israel,

00:41:56.920 it says its forces are carrying out an operation against Hamas in Gaza's El Shifa hospital.

00:42:03.140 And they are targeting people, including medical teams, as well as Arab speakers.

00:42:08.260 Once again, we are hearing from Reuters that Israel says that its forces are carrying out

00:42:13.200 an operation against Hamas in that hospital that we had just heard of.

00:42:17.820 They are targeting Arab speakers, as well as some of the medical staff there.

00:42:23.120 Unbelievable.

00:42:24.280 And now an apology from the BBC.

00:42:26.620 BBC News, as it covered initial reports that Israeli forces has entered Gaza's main hospital.

00:42:32.820 We said that medical teams and Arab speakers were being targeted.

00:42:37.080 This was incorrect and misquoted a Reuters report.

00:42:40.020 We should have said IDF forces included medical teams and Arabic speakers for this operation.

00:42:46.100 So we apologize for this error.

00:42:48.940 Yeah, pretty big one.

00:42:51.060 Pretty big one, Bethany.

00:42:52.360 And by the way, they don't make the anchor who said all the false stuff do the apology,

00:42:56.120 which is how it's supposed to be done.

00:42:58.340 It's weird how the errors always go in one direction.

00:43:01.720 There's never, they never, yeah, it's weird how it always happens.

00:43:05.440 But I mean, if Israel, Israel is being continually accused of genocide.

00:43:10.980 If they were interested in genociding, they're actually very bad at it.

00:43:15.140 It would have been a lot easier if they had just bombed the hospital.

00:43:19.260 And instead, they went in and they documented everything they saw.

00:43:23.500 And what I'm seeing from pro-Palestine and progressive journalists is like mocking what

00:43:30.100 they're finding because somehow they didn't find enough guns.

00:43:33.480 They didn't find enough magazines.

00:43:34.920 They didn't find enough RPGs.

00:43:37.100 As if they didn't have five weeks warning that their headquarters was about to be invaded

00:43:42.860 by the IDF.

00:43:43.720 And so this idea that like, okay, yes, the hospital did have some guns, but not enough

00:43:50.240 to justify Israel coming in.

00:43:51.840 Like, how many guns precisely does it take for this to be considered a military base?

00:43:57.520 Apparently, five weeks of notice before they start clearing out all the good stuff absolves

00:44:04.020 them of the fact that they were using this.

00:44:06.500 And this is, again, like what Carol said, it's not even an open secret.

00:44:09.900 It's just an open thing that is understood within everyone on the ground.

00:44:14.260 People who were working in the NGO world in Gaza understood that ambulances were being

00:44:19.780 used to transport Hamas fighters, that orange vests that are normally worn by paramedics were

00:44:25.540 being worn by Hamas fighters.

00:44:27.360 Like they are using Israeli, they're, I'm sorry, they're using Palestinians as human shields.

00:44:34.080 That's what they do.

00:44:34.980 And one of my favorite clips recently was Al Jazeera was interviewing people in the hospital.

00:44:41.140 I know what you're going to say.

00:44:42.140 Standby.

00:44:42.540 I'm going to run it and then I'll give you the floor.

00:44:44.600 It's not 11.

00:44:46.320 It's not 11.

00:44:47.300 It was not one house that was bombed.

00:44:49.240 An entire compound was erased.

00:44:51.620 Over 15 or 20 houses.

00:44:53.520 Is this a humane act?

00:44:55.560 No, this is a criminal act.

00:44:57.480 As for the resistance, they come and hide among the people.

00:45:00.140 Why are they hiding among the people?

00:45:01.700 They can go to hell and hide there.

00:45:03.260 Okay, so for the listening audience, Al Jazeera, well, Bethany, you can explain what just happened,

00:45:13.660 but it's amazing, the propaganda by Al Jazeera.

00:45:16.140 Go ahead.

00:45:17.400 Al Jazeera interviewed that man who was critical of Hamas for hiding among the people.

00:45:22.300 And what did that Al Jazeera reporter do?

00:45:24.100 Yes.

00:45:24.620 What did that Al Jazeera reporter do?

00:45:26.380 He walked away quickly and tried to find another guest because what he was saying was awfully

00:45:33.260 inconvenient for their narrative.

00:45:35.180 Yes.

00:45:35.500 And then the man, then the Palestinian man kicks the Al Jazeera reporter a couple of times.

00:45:39.160 He's pissed.

00:45:40.080 He wants his mic back.

00:45:41.340 He's speaking truth and Al Jazeera won't let him.

00:45:44.880 Well, I mean, he's risking his life by doing that.

00:45:47.440 At least let him have the floor for 30 seconds.

00:45:49.780 It's yeah, exactly.

00:45:51.980 The media is disgusting.

00:45:54.300 My God, they're so corrupt.

00:45:55.500 If you like, there's so many examples.

00:45:57.220 And that BBC thing, Carol, is really the BBC.

00:46:01.060 Honestly, they need to do better.

00:46:02.540 They have the resources to do better.

00:46:04.280 I think everyone knows to take a Reuters report on anything involving the Mideast with a hefty

00:46:09.140 grain of salt.

00:46:10.160 They should know that.

00:46:11.280 And they would if it weren't for the fact that they share the same bias.

00:46:14.000 I don't I just don't wait for any of these media outlets to ever be fair to, you know,

00:46:20.540 not just Israel, but to conservatives or anybody who doesn't walk the extremely leftist line.

00:46:26.360 I think we have a real problem with our media.

00:46:28.980 Look what happened that they were New York Times and other outlets were using people who

00:46:33.200 were actually embedded with Hamas on October 7th.

00:46:36.300 I think that that's just that step too far.

00:46:39.360 And I think that we've gotten to a place where we expect the worst from the media and they

00:46:43.460 deliver.

00:46:44.080 And the BBC is just, you know, another example of that.

00:46:46.520 They've always been anti-Israel, the pretty anti-America, the pretty anti anything that

00:46:51.200 isn't specifically left liberal.

00:46:53.500 And that's just the way it goes.

00:46:55.740 It's I mean, it's a pretty big mistake to say that the IDF is in that hospital targeting

00:47:00.400 Palestinians, targeting Arabic speakers.

00:47:04.000 And then you find out, oh, wait, it actually they just brought people in with them who could

00:47:09.080 translate and help them communicate what they were about to do and move.

00:47:12.780 That's actually what they were doing.

00:47:14.820 But no, no, they got that a little bit wrong and then didn't have the balls to put the anchor

00:47:20.400 who made the mistake on camera to apologize for her error, which honestly, these errors

00:47:24.440 get people killed.

00:47:25.380 These are big errors.

00:47:26.440 They need to be far more careful.

00:47:28.080 All right, Bethany and Carol, stay with us.

00:47:29.440 We're going to turn to politics next.

00:47:31.700 Did you see Vivek Ramaswamy on CNN?

00:47:36.140 There's so much to go over.

00:47:37.480 It was pretty delicious.

00:47:38.240 We'll take it up next.

00:47:42.620 So there was a fascinating interview, courtesy and credit to mediaite.com, because I don't

00:47:48.540 watch CNN, but they highlighted it between Vivek Ramaswamy and CNN's IDF.

00:47:54.540 She's a relatively new primetime host named Abby Phillips.

00:47:57.960 And they got into it on a number of things.

00:48:01.320 And I have to tell you, you know, when Vivek has said weird things, I've been critical

00:48:05.360 of him.

00:48:05.780 I've also been a big promoter of his on his books and so on for a long, long time.

00:48:10.480 But this was gold.

00:48:11.820 This was pure gold.

00:48:12.880 I was 100% team Vivek here.

00:48:15.100 He gave it to her and it was kind of a thing of beauty.

00:48:17.920 So on two points, there was one answer that I didn't like as much.

00:48:21.120 We can get to that.

00:48:21.660 But I loved, loved, loved these first two exchanges.

00:48:25.020 This what she did to him so encapsulates what the media does on both fronts.

00:48:30.160 OK, we're going to start with the women thing.

00:48:32.400 Nikki Haley weirdly went like pro-identity politics in her interview with the fellas from

00:48:37.380 Ruthless.

00:48:38.180 She started to do like the girl power thing.

00:48:39.960 It's kind of weird.

00:48:41.640 And Vivek called her out on it.

00:48:42.960 But listen to how Abby Phillips, keep in mind, as you hear this clip, she mentions what Vivek

00:48:51.720 did, Nikki Haley does at the debate when it came to Kristen Welker, the moderator, Ronna

00:48:57.900 McDonald, the RNC chair, and then Nikki Haley.

00:49:00.980 That's what he was attacked with.

00:49:03.440 Watch the clip.

00:49:05.560 Here's what your fellow Republican Nikki Haley said about you earlier today.

00:49:09.360 Just listen.

00:49:09.820 What happens, he comes out of the gate, he hits the female chair of the party, he hits

00:49:19.720 the female anchor on the platform, and then he hits me.

00:49:25.640 And I'm not saying anything.

00:49:27.300 I ain't saying, I'm just saying.

00:49:28.540 But he might have a girl problem.

00:49:30.020 I'm just saying he might have a girl problem.

00:49:33.800 OK, so she's laying out three different women that you've attacked.

00:49:37.900 Why is she wrong?

00:49:39.820 Well, she also left off that list.

00:49:43.840 Dick Cheney, Lindsey Graham, Karl Rove, John Bolton.

00:49:47.220 The real issue is there's an old neocon wing of the Republican Party that I've been crystal

00:49:51.740 clear critical of.

00:49:52.860 Speak the truth, and we have to be willing to hold failure accountable.

00:49:56.360 That's Kristen Welker and her lies that she's told about the Trump Russia.

00:49:58.980 Mr. Ramaswamy, I'm going to stop you right there.

00:50:01.400 So I stand by it.

00:50:02.360 There's no reason to bring Kristen Welker into your dispute with Verona McDaniel.

00:50:07.360 You literally paid tape of Nikki Haley talking about Kristen Welker.

00:50:11.360 So I'm responding to the tape that you displayed for your viewers.

00:50:14.280 The question that you were answering was about.

00:50:16.140 So give me a break and stop misleading your viewers.

00:50:19.240 Good for him.

00:50:20.800 She tried to sandbag him and he got her and she deserved it because that was bullshit.

00:50:27.360 She tried to just play the Nikki Haley tape of he's got a girl problem because he went

00:50:31.680 after, among others, Kristen Welker.

00:50:33.320 And then when he tried to say, this is why I went after Kristen Welker.

00:50:36.020 She tried to.

00:50:36.780 Oh, I will protect my fellow female anchor and shut this down.

00:50:40.840 No, you put it out there.

00:50:42.720 Give him the chance to answer it.

00:50:43.940 It's such bullshit.

00:50:45.380 And just because this Abby Phillips has like a nice voice and like a pleasant demeanor doesn't

00:50:51.520 make her any less pernicious.

00:50:53.320 I was disgusted by what she tried to do to him and I was cheering his shutting down of it.

00:50:58.800 What did you think of it, Carol?

00:51:00.960 I'm not a Vivek fan.

00:51:02.400 I find him to be a flip flopper.

00:51:03.920 I think he has a very shallow understanding of a lot of the issues and I don't really

00:51:07.520 think he's a Republican.

00:51:08.220 So it's funny that your fellow Republican Nikki Haley said, but I think he nailed her here.

00:51:14.220 And I think that he was right going after Kristen Welker and going after Rona McDaniels.

00:51:18.840 I think that they're just, you know, those are actually really good targets.

00:51:23.360 And he said the right thing about them.

00:51:25.660 The fact that the media continues to push Russiagate is unacceptable.

00:51:30.620 That's fine for him to comment on that.

00:51:32.500 And the thing is, the Abby's comments on CNN here, it really hurts women like us.

00:51:38.220 We can't be in the conversation and then also like, oh, I'm but a girl.

00:51:41.960 You can't criticize me.

00:51:43.380 Like, yeah, you can.

00:51:44.400 And if we're going to sit at the big boys table, then we have to be able to take that,

00:51:49.140 you know, pressure and comments and be able to handle ourselves in a positive way.

00:51:54.340 You don't have to like Vivek to think that it's correct for him to criticize any of these

00:51:58.760 people.

00:51:59.060 They're on the public stage and they're absolutely fair game.

00:52:03.120 I totally agree with you.

00:52:03.740 They were even on Fox the day after that debate.

00:52:06.520 They were saying that he was a sexist because of his debate performance.

00:52:10.820 I do not see that.

00:52:12.220 I just reject that fully.

00:52:14.620 Women can be attacked.

00:52:15.880 Same as men.

00:52:17.040 They these are all three public figures who Nikki Haley's running for president.

00:52:21.840 Ronna McDaniels are in seat chair.

00:52:23.260 And Kristen Welker is an NBC anchor of Meet the Press, all fair game.

00:52:27.560 And every criticism he raised was not beyond the pale.

00:52:31.060 I mean, the comment on the daughter, I get that that was there's generally a rule.

00:52:34.260 You don't go after people's kids, but that's a grown up.

00:52:37.220 It's a, you know, I understand, but whatever you can like it or not like it.

00:52:40.440 But there's I don't think it's sexist in any way.

00:52:43.380 I thought it was sexist, actually.

00:52:45.600 I don't think that you mentioned the daughter.

00:52:46.920 Yeah, I don't think that he would have gone after a male candidate's parenting in the same way that he went after her parenting.

00:52:54.220 And he said, you know, basically it was it was she was derelict in her role role as a mother.

00:53:00.440 I don't think that a male candidate would have had his kids behave his adult child's behavior.

00:53:05.500 It was Mike Pence.

00:53:06.620 I think he would have gone after Mike Pence in the same way.

00:53:09.360 It's the moralizing that he was going against.

00:53:11.780 Like, you don't like this, but your daughter does it.

00:53:14.000 Like, I just I think it hits certain candidates better than others.

00:53:18.280 And Nikki Haley or Mike Pence would have been perfect targets for that kind of attack.

00:53:22.460 Well, the three inch heels was another thing that people thought was sexist.

00:53:25.440 But honestly, like he's trying.

00:53:26.920 But I didn't think it was it was like that's what she's where she's where actually five inch heels.

00:53:30.140 That's the only thing he's he's basically just trying to say Dick Cheney in a dress.

00:53:33.820 Would that have been sexist?

00:53:35.000 No, he's trying to say, like, you're Dick Cheney, except you look like this.

00:53:38.660 I didn't I have to say I'm fine calling out people's sexist behavior, but did not see it there.

00:53:43.340 And I don't think Nikki Haley should be playing that card.

00:53:46.200 That's it's not it doesn't make it OK just to say it in a cutesy like he's I'm just saying he's got a girl like stick to the issues.

00:53:53.920 I realize these two don't like each other, but just like don't Republicans don't want to see those fights.

00:53:58.400 They do not want to see those fights.

00:53:59.620 All right.

00:54:00.080 They do want to see fights with the media and with media that that is just fine with The New York Times hiring a literal Hitler lover.

00:54:08.540 They're fine with that, but they do get upset when Trump uses the word vermin.

00:54:14.260 OK, so that brings me to the next clip of Vivek and this anchor watch.

00:54:20.480 That language, they live like vermin.

00:54:23.260 Do you believe that that is, as your Republican colleague Chris Christie has said, neo-Nazi rhetoric?

00:54:29.800 This is a classic mainstream media move.

00:54:35.120 Pick some individual phrase of Donald Trump.

00:54:38.380 Focus on literally that word without actually interrogating the substance of what's at issue.

00:54:43.520 The word was chosen for a reason.

00:54:45.200 We are in the middle of a cultural war in this country.

00:54:47.360 The word was chosen for a reason.

00:54:48.680 It's actually describing a series of behaviors.

00:54:50.800 You have Antifa and other related groups that have been burning down cities for the last three years in this country.

00:54:55.360 Would you describe them as vermin?

00:54:56.300 We are constantly violating the rule of law.

00:54:57.620 We have an invasion on our southern border.

00:54:59.740 We have millions of people crossing our southern border.

00:55:01.680 Let's talk about the substance of why we have to recognize that we're not in ordinary times.

00:55:06.580 Would you use that language yourself?

00:55:08.060 The vocabulary of the vermin or not is not what's important.

00:55:10.380 Well, I haven't used that language.

00:55:12.060 So you can look at my track record on the campaign trail.

00:55:14.600 I talk about the issues.

00:55:15.980 We all talk about them differently.

00:55:17.220 But what I'm not going to do is play some game of focusing on some word that somebody else said without ignoring entirely the substance of what we're actually talking about.

00:55:26.700 You know what's vermin?

00:55:27.580 What's running around San Francisco on a given day before Gavin Newsom cleaned it up on a dime to roll out the red carpet for Xi Jinping.

00:55:34.920 If he could do that for Xi Jinping, he could have done it on an ordinary day.

00:55:37.960 Focus on the substance and let's have an actual policy debate rather than talking to a presidential candidate instead of the policy substance of what's actually going on in the country.

00:55:46.900 Picking on some word that Donald Trump said on a certain day and asking me for comment on it.

00:55:50.720 Give me a break.

00:55:55.180 Doing this.

00:55:55.920 That's how it's done.

00:55:58.220 She was so rude.

00:55:59.900 She was an interrupter.

00:56:01.440 What do you mean?

00:56:01.840 Would you use it?

00:56:02.460 Would you use it?

00:56:03.120 Shut up.

00:56:03.720 He didn't use it.

00:56:04.480 This only becomes an issue if he uses it.

00:56:06.700 If Donald Trump's sitting there, go ahead and ask him about it till the cows come home.

00:56:10.280 This he's not Trump.

00:56:11.620 He's he's he's kind of like Trump, but he's not Trump.

00:56:15.060 No one is Trump, but Trump.

00:56:16.780 And would you use it?

00:56:18.020 Would you use it?

00:56:18.960 Would you?

00:56:19.460 Would you like finally he gave her an answer?

00:56:21.000 I haven't used that term, which is as good as you're going to get.

00:56:23.500 But would you?

00:56:24.440 What do you try?

00:56:25.240 Stop it.

00:56:26.260 I loved how we handled that, Bethany.

00:56:29.740 Yeah, I did, too.

00:56:30.440 I mean, it's it's so frustrating for Americans because we see everything that's happening.

00:56:35.800 The total breakdown of society and a CNN anchor.

00:56:39.380 The desperate question she needs answering from an evasive politician is, would you use

00:56:44.860 this word?

00:56:46.000 The word does not matter, Abby.

00:56:48.000 What matters is the southern border.

00:56:50.680 What happens is no one around the world is afraid of us anymore and everything is going

00:56:55.660 up in flames.

00:56:56.820 But yes, let's let's all focus on what's the real issue at hand.

00:57:01.220 The use of the word vermin, which, by the way, like, is not a crazy word to use in some

00:57:07.980 circumstances.

00:57:09.260 And it is bad to dehumanize people, but sometimes those people dehumanize themselves.

00:57:15.460 But that's I mean, you're not you're not allowed to talk about those things anymore.

00:57:19.200 But this is this is why the trust in mainstream media is so, so far gone.

00:57:24.720 And Carol alluded to it in the end of the last block.

00:57:27.820 But, you know, when we found out that there were photographers who were embedded with Hamas

00:57:33.560 on the day of the attack, there wasn't as much shock and dismay as we should have had.

00:57:39.360 And it's because our expectations for the media are maybe not low enough.

00:57:44.640 And that's really saying something.

00:57:47.080 Yeah, well, it's true.

00:57:48.120 I mean, honestly, like you look at some of the behaviors of these people who are migrating

00:57:52.840 into the country illegally with the serial rape of women and young girls.

00:57:57.500 I mean, like rape trees where they're tying up young women and just raping them.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, vermin.

00:58:02.780 Great.

00:58:03.200 I'm fine with it.

00:58:03.900 Go with it.

00:58:04.460 Yes.

00:58:04.820 Yeah.

00:58:05.060 Stand by it.

00:58:05.960 Like she I don't even know.

00:58:07.580 She knows that story.

00:58:08.280 She probably doesn't because they don't give a shit that the borders open at CNN.

00:58:11.540 OK, now I'll get to the clip that I didn't like, because I think this is where Vivek

00:58:17.500 like he could be doing much better in the polls if he would just reel back on the know

00:58:23.560 it all portion.

00:58:25.220 Let me explain it to you because you're too dumb piece of his approach.

00:58:29.500 This is my armchair analysis of his style.

00:58:33.500 Here it is.

00:58:35.120 Once the United States achieves semiconductor independence, do you believe it will be in

00:58:39.640 the United States's national interest to deter China from invading Taiwan?

00:58:44.460 We will evaluate at that point in time.

00:58:49.260 It will not be preferable for China to invade Taiwan even then.

00:58:52.100 That's not an answer to my question.

00:58:52.920 But we will then adopt what is our current.

00:58:54.980 But you are not answering.

00:58:56.340 Because that's in the future, Abby.

00:58:57.800 You're not answering my question.

00:58:59.160 Will it be in the United States's national interest to deter China from invading Taiwan?

00:59:03.460 I think you don't understand.

00:59:03.900 Do you actually know what strategic ambiguity means right now?

00:59:06.140 I'm just asking you a simple question.

00:59:08.160 Do you understand the current posture?

00:59:09.800 The current posture is strategic ambiguity right now, and I have a feeling you don't

00:59:14.920 understand what that is.

00:59:15.600 It's a yes or no answer.

00:59:16.380 So I'm happy to educate you if you're interested.

00:59:19.180 Strategic ambiguity will be what we resume.

00:59:21.920 It's the current status quo, and that's what we will resume after we've achieved semiconductor

00:59:26.020 independence.

00:59:26.840 It's that simple.

00:59:27.600 The status quo will be exactly what it obtains after we've achieved semiconductor independence.

00:59:32.040 And in the meantime, we have to be clear something that no party says that we will defend Taiwan.

00:59:36.540 A simple answer to that question would actually be a yes or no.

00:59:39.080 But I do want to turn now to a different topic, to politics.

00:59:42.520 Here's what your fellow Republican—

00:59:45.420 A simple answer is, geopolitics are a little more complicated than you're making out to

00:59:48.640 be, Abby.

00:59:49.000 So I'm happy to explain it to you if you're interested.

00:59:52.200 Mm-mm.

00:59:54.740 No.

00:59:55.580 I'm happy to explain it to you if you're interested.

00:59:57.660 If you would like me to educate you, it's annoying.

01:00:00.540 That's annoying.

01:00:01.500 He's already up against the—you're the know-it-all at the front of the class who's

01:00:04.720 got to prove how smart he is every time.

01:00:06.560 You know that you got your hand up on every question.

01:00:08.560 Everyone wanted to beat that kid down, right?

01:00:10.760 Everyone wanted that kid to get punched out at the playground.

01:00:13.700 Don't be that kid.

01:00:14.840 Don't be that.

01:00:15.260 Just tell her she's wrong.

01:00:16.860 Maintain your composure.

01:00:18.180 Do what you did in the other two clips, but stop.

01:00:20.660 You're going to get the mansplain.

01:00:22.980 But it's not about the sex.

01:00:24.220 It's about just the know-it-all, smug, condescending nature.

01:00:28.640 Even though we don't like media, that one didn't work for me.

01:00:31.320 Carol, what did you think?

01:00:32.760 I thought it was not so bad.

01:00:34.800 I don't think it's as bad as you do.

01:00:36.640 But maybe because, again, I think of him as that guy.

01:00:39.680 I think of him as the guy who's like, I have the explanation that you're looking for, and

01:00:43.820 I will tell you about it.

01:00:44.920 And he's just so, just, I'm not a fan.

01:00:47.640 Again, I find him to be this know-it-all guy who has no business at all running for president.

01:00:54.440 I thought he was interesting before he ran for president.

01:00:57.380 I thought his book was interesting.

01:00:59.080 I don't know that any of that makes him in a position to lead the free world.

01:01:04.080 And him running as this, like, Trump surrogate has been just, I don't get it.

01:01:09.220 And I find him just overall to be this guy that, you know, argued with Abby.

01:01:13.480 I would love to hear him say, like, you know, to the question of, would you use vermin?

01:01:18.880 Well, would you work at a network that had, you know, rehired a guy who had masturbated

01:01:23.500 on Zoom?

01:01:24.180 Because you do.

01:01:25.900 And for some reason, that's okay.

01:01:28.620 So, you know, I'm okay with attacking the media.

01:01:32.100 I just find him to be not that great at it overall because he comes off as pretty slimy.

01:01:38.360 Oh my God, that would have been so good.

01:01:41.480 Three one for you guys for next time.

01:01:44.000 Vivek, you should consider talking to Carol.

01:01:46.820 She's got some good singers.

01:01:48.420 Ladies, it was a pleasure.

01:01:49.840 Thank you both so much for being here.

01:01:51.740 Thank you so much.

01:01:53.120 All right, we'll see you again soon.

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01:01:59.520 She's back and there's a lot to go over.

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01:03:06.620 We've been covering a lot of serious topics this week, but I've been dying to get to some

01:03:10.300 of the hottest stories out of Hollyweird.

01:03:12.720 The world of sports, including Megan Rapinoe's career coming to a glorious end.

01:03:16.760 And we have an abundance of stories involving biological men taking over women's spaces in

01:03:21.600 sports, among them this weekend's Big Miss Universe pageant, where a record two trans people

01:03:28.560 are going to be competing for the title of the world's most beautiful woman.

01:03:33.140 Two guys.

01:03:34.100 Who better to talk to than my next guest?

01:03:36.780 Carrie Prejean Bowler is a former Miss California 2009, a mom and a community activist.

01:03:43.040 Carrie, great to have you back on the show.

01:03:45.200 All right.

01:03:45.480 Thanks for having me, Megan.

01:03:46.380 Here we go.

01:03:48.200 Here we go.

01:03:49.000 You got not one, but two trans contestants.

01:03:52.700 I think one's from Portugal, and I can't remember where the other, oh, the other one

01:03:55.560 from like Norway?

01:03:57.380 Netherlands.

01:03:57.980 There we go.

01:03:58.360 The Netherlands.

01:03:59.980 Competing in the Miss Universe pageant.

01:04:01.560 This has been a possibility since 2012 for the world's basically most beautiful woman.

01:04:06.160 It's gotten to the point where they're actually competing to be the most beautiful among us,

01:04:11.940 because again, the best women are men.

01:04:14.880 Hmm.

01:04:16.920 It's so sad, Megan.

01:04:18.140 You know, when I competed at Miss USA, we had to sign a contract saying that we were

01:04:21.640 naturally born women.

01:04:23.000 And I remember all the ladies getting together and being like, this is so ridiculous.

01:04:26.900 Why would we ever have to sign this?

01:04:28.560 And now fast forward to 2023, you're seeing men wearing woman face competing in Miss Universe.

01:04:34.920 But I'm not surprised because the owner of Miss Universe is a man wearing woman face and

01:04:40.580 pretending to be a woman masquerading as a woman.

01:04:44.100 And I'm not surprised that they just filed bankruptcy.

01:04:47.140 So I don't think anybody's going to be tuning in this weekend to Miss Universe.

01:04:51.400 No, nobody's nobody wants to see that.

01:04:53.840 No one wants to see that.

01:04:55.480 And honestly, even if they managed to fool you, there's something disturbing about that

01:04:59.000 too.

01:04:59.440 Right.

01:04:59.600 I don't want anything to do with it.

01:05:01.880 And I think, yeah, you're absolutely right.

01:05:03.820 Nobody else does either.

01:05:05.060 OK, we've called out woman face.

01:05:07.200 I guess we're going to have to call out man face now because Kim Kardashian is one of the

01:05:11.780 men of the year on the GQ cover, on the GQ cover as man of the year.

01:05:18.560 Why?

01:05:19.000 Because she apparently is expanding her, you know, compression garment scheme.

01:05:24.940 Look at this.

01:05:25.660 It's a horrendous photo of her.

01:05:27.580 She looks absolutely terrible.

01:05:30.020 And she's sucking her thumb because she's just eating Cheetos.

01:05:33.040 She's wearing menswear.

01:05:34.600 She looks, I mean, like she's drenched.

01:05:37.380 I guess this is a thing now.

01:05:38.420 You're supposed to look like, you know, you've been, I don't know, dumped in the pool before

01:05:42.460 your photo shoot.

01:05:43.880 And I, you know, if we're going to call it out for one side, she's not pretending to be

01:05:47.300 trans, but this like they couldn't find a man to be GQ's man of the year.

01:05:51.140 Yeah, there are no longer sacred spaces for men and women.

01:05:55.160 We're seeing men win women of the year.

01:05:58.300 We're seeing women masquerading on GQ as winning man of the year.

01:06:02.880 It makes no sense.

01:06:04.260 And I find that that photo to be very actually quite sexist, because if you look at her,

01:06:10.500 you know, she's sucking her thumb in a very sexual way.

01:06:13.580 And in reality, it's like, where are the feminists?

01:06:15.980 Why are they not outraged by this?

01:06:17.660 Because she's just being objectified.

01:06:19.820 You know, GQ is bought by a bunch of men.

01:06:22.260 And so, you know, any man that looks at that is seeing it as very sexual.

01:06:26.500 And so it backfired on them.

01:06:28.380 You know, they thought they were doing something amazing, having a woman on, you know, GQ as

01:06:32.700 man of the year.

01:06:33.440 But in reality, it only, you know, makes the patriarchy win.

01:06:37.020 It makes no sense whatsoever.

01:06:39.260 And it's like, does she need to be on all these magazine covers?

01:06:43.060 I'm sick of looking at her.

01:06:45.120 I hate everything she stands for, right?

01:06:48.140 She's trying to change your daughters and mine into self-obsessed, selfie-taking, take

01:06:55.180 like enormously manufactured all over their body and the denying it type girls, right?

01:07:01.600 Like, it's all about your looks.

01:07:03.100 It's all about how you look.

01:07:04.360 And she said it to the one sister on one of the episodes.

01:07:06.540 You're not interesting looking enough.

01:07:08.620 You're the least interesting looking of all of us as if this were some sort of a sin.

01:07:13.100 Yeah, I think she's destroyed an entire generation of young women.

01:07:17.960 You know, I have a lot of friends who have girls that are in high school.

01:07:21.060 My daughter's 12, not quite at that age yet.

01:07:24.080 But they have told me that their daughters worshipped the Kardashians, that every day,

01:07:30.040 day in and day out, they were just, you know, flooded with their pictures on social media and

01:07:35.160 and this obsession with body image and, you know, having a little waist and a big butt,

01:07:40.800 which is totally unobtainable.

01:07:43.180 And so I think that the Kardashians have destroyed an entire generation of women.

01:07:47.000 And here we are now as conservative women trying to regain, you know, be role models for these

01:07:54.060 young girls because they really have nobody to look up to.

01:07:56.360 I mean, think about it.

01:07:58.440 The Kardashians have taken over the entire, you know, fashion industry, makeup industry.

01:08:05.280 They are just obsessed with themselves.

01:08:07.780 They're obsessed with making money.

01:08:09.080 And they're a terrible example to our young girls, Megan.

01:08:11.800 And I'm tired of it.

01:08:12.980 I don't follow the Kardashians.

01:08:14.360 I don't like them.

01:08:15.360 I think they're horrible role models.

01:08:17.100 And they send a very bad message to our daughters.

01:08:21.060 Couldn't agree more with every word of that.

01:08:23.540 It's ridiculous.

01:08:24.160 So it's like, I don't know if they, these are the girls who do surrogates.

01:08:28.880 I can't remember.

01:08:29.760 I know Kim Kardashian has given birth to at least some of her own children.

01:08:32.660 And let me tell you, as somebody who's had three kids, you don't have the waist that's

01:08:37.180 like that, like Vivian Lay on Gone with the Wind after you've had three babies.

01:08:42.280 It's not a normal thing, but she doesn't admit to any of it, right?

01:08:45.900 It's like, oh no, I just got a little skinny.

01:08:48.840 Oh, it's just my special, you know, line.

01:08:50.740 No bullshit.

01:08:51.360 You had that stuff surgically removed and put in your ass.

01:08:55.200 It's obvious to all of us, but it's not clear to our little girls who look at it and think,

01:08:59.900 gee, I guess there's a different beauty standard.

01:09:01.600 Even though you and I, as moms are counter-programming against that kind of mind melding, you know,

01:09:07.860 a lot of kids are getting it and thinking that this is something they have to live up to.

01:09:11.640 So on this subject of people we don't like, yeah, Megan Rapinoe, back in the news, once again,

01:09:19.860 feeling sorry for herself.

01:09:21.700 So I thought we just covered her last big soccer match, but I guess that was just the World Cup.

01:09:28.120 Now she played in like the real, real last one.

01:09:30.720 And I guess within the first couple of minutes of the game, she tore her Achilles.

01:09:35.620 And instead of saying, gee, I'm sorry that I couldn't play, I'm sure my team was let down.

01:09:41.240 This is a bummer, but I'll work to get better.

01:09:43.740 She decided to blame the God in whom she does not exist.

01:09:48.500 Here is the soundbite on number 21.

01:09:50.680 I thought about it a little bit.

01:09:53.360 I mean, you know, I'm not a religious person or anything.

01:09:56.440 And if there wasn't God, like, this is proof that there isn't.

01:09:59.560 This is f***ed up.

01:10:02.340 So, yeah, it just, it's just f***ed up.

01:10:05.720 You guys, like, six minutes in, f***ing eat my Achilles.

01:10:09.500 I mean, what the f***.

01:10:12.420 It's proof that there's no God that she had an Achilles injury.

01:10:16.660 What a, what a narcissist.

01:10:18.660 She obviously doesn't know God, but wants to blame God.

01:10:23.760 I would suggest, hey, Megan, if you're listening, why don't you, while you're healing from your Achilles tendon, why don't you open your Bible?

01:10:30.680 Why don't you pray to the God that you don't believe in, that you're blaming for your injury?

01:10:35.180 I think that there's, that that is proof that there is a God.

01:10:38.240 Because he brought you to your knees, Megan.

01:10:40.480 He brought you to your knees when nobody else was around you.

01:10:43.440 So maybe while you're resting, you open your Bible and you repent.

01:10:47.160 You repent of your sins.

01:10:48.660 Because you're a horrible human being, Megan Rapinoe.

01:10:51.220 That's my message to her.

01:10:53.120 It's unbelievable.

01:10:54.160 And listen, at a minimum, how disrespectful to the millions of fans that she does have, who are believers.

01:10:59.720 Like, how disrespectful are you?

01:11:01.020 You're such an asshole.

01:11:02.040 First you say, I don't believe.

01:11:03.760 But this is proof, if he does exist, that he doesn't.

01:11:06.180 That I would get hurt.

01:11:07.460 Who would ever hurt me?

01:11:08.860 Megan Rapinoe.

01:11:09.460 She has no respect for the country, for her fans, for American soccer.

01:11:15.000 And I'm thrilled to see her exit stage left.

01:11:19.260 As we're on the subject of her, though, as you know, one of her parting swan songs was to question whether there really are boys and men in women's sport giving themselves an unfair advantage and taking titles that belong to girls and women.

01:11:34.180 And she doesn't believe it's happening.

01:11:36.140 She thinks it's a made-up lie.

01:11:37.880 And, of course, every time we have you on, there's another slew of stories proving that it's real.

01:11:42.680 It's an actual problem.

01:11:43.600 And if she would like to do something good for the world, she would speak out about it like Martina Navarrola has.

01:11:48.820 Right?

01:11:48.980 I don't like Martina's politics, but I love that she's finally found her way to the right place on this.

01:11:54.840 She tried it.

01:11:55.500 She said the right stuff.

01:11:56.300 Then she got browbeaten and she reeled it all back.

01:11:58.420 But now she's landed in the right place on it.

01:12:01.220 And I'll just give you one example.

01:12:03.380 So there's this one runner.

01:12:05.860 We've covered him before.

01:12:07.640 His name is Athena Ryan.

01:12:09.500 He's posing as a girl.

01:12:11.480 And he just, the headline is, Boy Dominates Girls High School Conference in California, where you are.

01:12:17.840 He just finished first in a field of 55 girls at the Coastal Mountain Conference Championships in Santa Rosa, California, this month.

01:12:29.420 Freshman Josie Hill was cheated, reading from Icons Women, was cheated out of her conference title.

01:12:36.840 So this boy not only won, but dominated everyone.

01:12:41.180 And a freshman girl, who apparently is a sensation, would have had the title, would have made national news because she's a freshman.

01:12:49.400 But no, instead, he's making all the news because he stole her spot and the feeling of being first.

01:12:56.760 Yeah, it's really sad, Megan.

01:13:01.060 You know, I was a college athlete.

01:13:02.800 I played sports my entire childhood.

01:13:04.820 And if I had to compete against a boy, I mean, to think about our daughters now, that they are losing out on their trophies, on their awards, on their scholarships.

01:13:18.200 And I have a son who's very athletic, and he could take on my daughter any day of the week in any sport and dominate her just because he's a boy.

01:13:26.560 We have to agree that men have a biological, scientific, you know, advantage over young girls.

01:13:34.640 And the left does not want to admit that.

01:13:36.980 And we're seeing that the last place boy that competes against the top five girls will dominate them.

01:13:43.540 That's just reality.

01:13:45.100 And the feminists are completely silent in this.

01:13:47.980 You know, I spend a lot of time coaching my daughter's sports, softball, basketball, tennis.

01:13:52.900 And it's so sad to me to think, we might as well just hang up our cleats now, Megan.

01:13:57.420 We might as well just stop wasting our time because one day, hopefully not, you know, my daughter's going to lose her scholarship to some dude that's just claiming he's a woman because he knows that he can't make it in the men's division.

01:14:10.620 It's wrong.

01:14:11.040 That's what happened.

01:14:11.720 I want more women to stand up and take a knee and say, I will not compete against the boys and fight back against this.

01:14:18.500 That's when this crap is going to end, Megan.

01:14:20.480 Yes, it's happening more and more.

01:14:22.900 And I'll get to that one second, but just a little bit more on Athena.

01:14:26.200 To your point, he had been running on the boys team for Sonoma Academy through 2021.

01:14:33.360 And then he switched.

01:14:34.900 Then he switched over to the girls team.

01:14:37.240 Back in this past May, he won second place in the Varsity Girls 1600 meter finals of the CIF North Coast section meet of champions.

01:14:46.100 And was so thrilled at how well he did when running against girls.

01:14:51.620 He bragged about how much time he'd cut off of his run.

01:14:55.280 Take a listen.

01:14:55.720 We have this soundbite.

01:14:56.420 I've dropped like 17 seconds on my season best in the past two weeks.

01:15:01.240 So after last weekend, I didn't think I could run low fives again.

01:15:04.940 I would just come here and try to break five and I'm just glad I finished it out.

01:15:07.980 That's crazy.

01:15:09.300 And what goes through you?

01:15:10.280 Like, how do you maintain that confidence?

01:15:11.920 Yeah, I don't know.

01:15:19.900 I just always know I have something in me.

01:15:21.820 There's always a little bit there.

01:15:23.560 I don't think about it until I can pull it out.

01:15:26.000 And then once I do, it's just there.

01:15:29.680 There's always a little something in me.

01:15:31.140 It's called testosterone.

01:15:32.520 That's that's what it is.

01:15:33.860 No woman could shave 17 seconds off of her time in two weeks.

01:15:37.360 It doesn't even occur to him or the interviewer to point out that's because you're a boy.

01:15:41.920 With the respect, sir, it's because you're a boy.

01:15:45.020 That's why you came in second.

01:15:46.420 And that's why you came in first just now.

01:15:48.380 And yet the parents out there, Carrie, they don't want to say anything.

01:15:52.080 They want to offend anybody.

01:15:53.540 And where are his parents?

01:15:55.340 They should be ashamed of themselves.

01:15:56.960 It's cheating.

01:16:00.900 It's cheating is right.

01:16:02.820 It's so wrong.

01:16:03.500 You see, I thought it was interesting.

01:16:05.420 I don't know much about pool, like billiards.

01:16:07.920 Um, but there's like a fierce competition in billiards, uh, in pool and you can make money

01:16:14.000 on this thing.

01:16:14.640 Like if you win.

01:16:16.060 And recently the, a female pool player refused to continue the game.

01:16:22.400 She had made it to the finals.

01:16:23.520 And actually her family has spoken out about this too, saying this is actually a very big

01:16:27.320 deal.

01:16:27.520 It was like a lifelong dream of hers to make it to the finals and in pool.

01:16:30.580 And the women play against the women, you know, like any sport, there are minor differences

01:16:34.200 that may change the way a male performs and a woman performs.

01:16:37.640 And, um, so you'll see here at the beginning, you're going to see her walk over to the ref

01:16:41.940 to leave the game.

01:16:43.660 And then the cheering starts.

01:16:45.360 Watch this.

01:16:47.360 So her name is Lynn Pinches and the trans person she refused to play against was Harriet Haynes.

01:16:55.640 Um, they hit balls to determine who would go first.

01:16:59.180 They shook hands and then Pinches went over to the ref to let him know she would be forfeiting.

01:17:03.720 The fans were applauding her.

01:17:05.740 This is for a Fox news and, and Alcook kick and daily mail reporting.

01:17:09.520 It happened over in Wales, UK, um, Haynes, the trans person can be seen putting their

01:17:14.600 hands out like what's like what's happening.

01:17:16.680 And then later shaking his head and putting his finger to his head, like a gun.

01:17:23.540 Haynes was presented with the trophy after being declared the winner of the ladies tournament

01:17:29.200 of the English pool associations, uh, on, on their official website.

01:17:34.580 And again, now Pinches family is saying they're very proud of her.

01:17:38.840 Her brother was saying, this is huge.

01:17:41.280 Like I completely agree with what she did because it took a lot of courage.

01:17:45.200 This is, uh, the trans person is on the right and, uh, Pinches is on the left.

01:17:50.820 Um, and her son also praised her saying, look, she here, this is Pinches right here.

01:17:58.440 Um, and that's look, this would have been so much meant so much to her for her to actually

01:18:02.900 forfeit the title trophy prize money.

01:18:05.040 Whatever way you want to look at it would not have been easy for her to do.

01:18:08.380 So did she do the right thing by walking away?

01:18:11.500 Absolutely.

01:18:12.260 Bravo, Lynn, you're a hero.

01:18:13.700 And so many of our eyes, um, who would have thought that it took a billiards player, a

01:18:19.260 female player to say, you know what?

01:18:21.000 No, I'm not going to compete against a man.

01:18:23.500 Um, we see it every day in girls, soccer, basketball, baseball, you know, softball.

01:18:28.600 Um, just the other day I went to, I was coaching my daughter in softball and I see this boy and

01:18:34.420 he's competing.

01:18:35.060 Thank God he wasn't competing against my team because none of our girls would have played.

01:18:39.220 I would have taken a knee immediately, but I thought, wow, how palsy.

01:18:43.700 To be competing in mice and my daughter's sport.

01:18:47.140 And it's happening every single day.

01:18:49.160 And so bravo to Lynn to say no.

01:18:51.440 And that was a big, big, big thing for her.

01:18:54.020 That took a lot of courage.

01:18:55.500 And I want to commend her for that because more women need to start doing what Lynn did.

01:19:00.680 Refusing.

01:19:01.420 Well, and so now there's another story on this front from Canada where a female boxer withdrew

01:19:08.120 from the competition after being matched against a male fighter.

01:19:12.680 This is insane.

01:19:14.840 I mean, pool.

01:19:15.680 I'm sure somebody could explain to me that there are sex differences that affect the game

01:19:19.240 boxing.

01:19:20.260 I can get that one.

01:19:21.680 I understand.

01:19:22.520 This is the female who was like, no, I'm not doing this.

01:19:26.560 Um, and then the trans boxer was upset.

01:19:29.500 But that he was outed as a man posing as a woman trying to fight the women.

01:19:35.060 Uh, this interview happened a couple of weeks ago.

01:19:36.720 The competition took place in October.

01:19:38.500 Take a listen.

01:19:39.060 This is the man who wanted to fight the women.

01:19:40.700 My opponent made the decision to withdraw from the tournament based solely on a text message

01:19:47.080 received from another coach.

01:19:48.560 Uh, and rather than asking me or my coach or even boxing for Beth for any further information,

01:19:55.260 uh, she went directly to the media and out of me publicly.

01:19:58.820 Best way to ensure fair competition is not going to be to tighten regulation or require

01:20:05.420 arbitrary and invasive testing, but to trust coaches and athletes to select the most gender

01:20:11.660 appropriate category for their gender.

01:20:14.460 Actions like these put athletes of all kinds of risks of exclusion and personal attack based

01:20:20.640 something is saying, Oh my God, he's very upset.

01:20:25.320 He's not going to be allowed to punch the women.

01:20:27.660 Yeah.

01:20:28.140 Knock her out this.

01:20:30.360 I'm telling you, Megan.

01:20:31.140 And I want to say thank you for exposing this stuff because you don't hear this stuff

01:20:35.060 on the mainstream media.

01:20:36.020 They will not cover this stuff.

01:20:37.240 They don't want people knowing about this stuff.

01:20:38.820 So thank you for bringing it to our attention, but someone is going to get hurt and it's going

01:20:44.120 to be the women.

01:20:45.700 The men aren't going to get hurt.

01:20:47.280 The women are going to get injured.

01:20:49.880 And we see it all the time.

01:20:51.860 You just saw it the other day with, um, I think it was lacrosse where that girl got,

01:20:55.820 I think her, her teeth, not field hockey, field hockey.

01:20:58.940 Thank you.

01:20:59.800 I mean, what is it going to take?

01:21:01.700 Is some girl going to have to die before we say absolutely not no more.

01:21:07.440 It's wrong.

01:21:08.840 And that could happen in the boxing ring.

01:21:10.720 I mean, the nerve of this guy to be playing the it's dangerous to me to have been outed by

01:21:17.940 her, you stay in your own lane and you'll be fine.

01:21:22.240 No one's going to be outing anything about you.

01:21:25.040 If you just damn well boxes, the man you are, you want to come over as a woman, her calling

01:21:31.820 you out on it is not the problem.

01:21:34.160 The absolute entitlement, Carrie.

01:21:37.200 That's what it is.

01:21:37.760 The entitlement of these guys.

01:21:41.820 Yeah.

01:21:42.260 They know that he knows that he would get, he would get demolished competing against men.

01:21:46.580 So what does he do?

01:21:47.500 He joins the women's competition.

01:21:49.760 What a chump.

01:21:51.380 I mean, and, and, and where's the outrage?

01:21:54.520 That's what I want to know.

01:21:55.440 Why, why aren't women marching in the streets over this, Megan?

01:21:58.900 Why aren't women outraged about this?

01:22:00.840 Where are the freaking feminists about this?

01:22:03.680 Cause women's rights are being eliminated.

01:22:06.240 We will no longer have, no longer have our safe spaces in sports and in, in anything.

01:22:12.400 And the feminists are silent.

01:22:14.900 Shame on them.

01:22:16.320 Yeah.

01:22:16.720 I mean, the one thing he said that I agree with is, Hey, the league allowed it, you know,

01:22:21.540 like they, he he's right.

01:22:22.860 That's a problem that that should not have happened.

01:22:25.480 And they were setting this poor girl up to get beaten to within an inch of her life.

01:22:31.400 And so no wonder she walked away.

01:22:32.960 I'm sure it was on principle and out of safety, but you know, we, we covered the story a couple

01:22:37.360 of weeks ago, we're up in Canada where they're absolutely losing their minds on this issue.

01:22:43.140 Carrie, they allowed a 50 year old man to compete against 13 year old girls and 12 year

01:22:51.160 old girls.

01:22:51.380 You have a 12 year old girl.

01:22:52.360 So do I in the swim meet, a 50 year old man who declared that he was a teenage girl.

01:22:59.440 I'm telling you allowed it.

01:23:02.280 This is where this crap is going.

01:23:04.240 Megan, if you can just identify as whatever the hell you want, maybe my, you know, a retired

01:23:10.880 NFL playing husband should just say he identifies as a 10 year old and go compete in my, my son's

01:23:16.300 championship game this weekend.

01:23:17.560 Is that where this is going?

01:23:20.460 I mean, really, is that where this is going?

01:23:24.060 It's how it feels.

01:23:25.220 And it's so wrong.

01:23:27.260 You know, it kind of reminds me of my, my, my brother-in-law told this, this story.

01:23:33.020 He lives in California by you.

01:23:35.980 It's got more than its fair share of odd people.

01:23:38.400 And he was in a Starbucks and somebody came in with their dog and there was a woman in

01:23:45.120 the Starbucks who was like, oh, can I say hi to your dog?

01:23:48.180 And the person's like, sure.

01:23:49.480 And the woman got, she allowed the dog to smell her butt.

01:23:56.820 And then she pretended to smell the dog's rear quarters.

01:24:00.380 No, people are insane, but you know, that's a trend.

01:24:06.940 Like, it's not just the trans thing anymore.

01:24:09.420 Now it's like, you're a furry.

01:24:11.400 You're not, you don't just love dogs.

01:24:13.180 You are one.

01:24:14.380 You sniff their butts in the Starbucks, I guess, to be inclusive.

01:24:18.280 Yeah.

01:24:19.780 We have lost our minds, Megan.

01:24:22.240 We have absolutely lost our minds and there is no more objective truth.

01:24:25.940 It's all subjective.

01:24:26.880 It's like, oh, well, I feel like a woman.

01:24:28.620 And okay, yes, you're a woman.

01:24:30.400 You can win women of the year.

01:24:32.000 I mean, women are being totally eliminated.

01:24:37.120 That is the reality.

01:24:38.240 And that is the message that I want your viewers to hear.

01:24:41.060 And what are you going to do about it?

01:24:43.120 What are you going to do about it in your own little spaces, in your own little communities?

01:24:47.420 Are you going to show up at the school board meeting and fight to have women's spaces sacred?

01:24:52.080 Or are you too afraid of the backlash?

01:24:55.400 It's time we stand up.

01:24:56.860 I mean, it's going to, it's not going to end.

01:24:59.120 It's not going to end.

01:25:00.520 It's absolutely insane.

01:25:01.600 You've got kids showing up to school with their freaking, you know, tails and their little cat ears having kitty litter boxes.

01:25:07.520 Did they say they're a dog or a cat?

01:25:10.220 And like making animal noises.

01:25:11.640 Like, okay, I want to talk to you about the feminists because they're nowhere to be found.

01:25:17.380 And including, honestly, on this whole Mitty's conflict.

01:25:20.680 It's amazing.

01:25:21.680 The reports of the rape, the torture of women.

01:25:26.680 And I apologize to the audience.

01:25:28.580 These are jarring facts.

01:25:29.820 But there was a report, eyewitness report by multiple people, including verified by Israeli officials, of one woman who was raped repeatedly by these Hamas terrorists and then shot in the head.

01:25:43.240 Forgive me.

01:25:43.740 It's very graphic.

01:25:45.080 They cut off her breast and threw it around, like played like a football with it.

01:25:51.200 And you don't have the feminist groups over here.

01:25:55.940 They don't, they have no mental clarity on it, no moral clarity on it whatsoever.

01:26:00.820 They praise Hamas and these assholes we talked about at the top of the show, praising Bin Laden as though these are some, some sort of a group that we have anything in common with.

01:26:13.660 Do they know what these people do to women?

01:26:15.560 Do they have any idea how many wives Bin Laden had?

01:26:19.040 What was done to them?

01:26:20.340 What they're, oh, they're alleged equal rights, right?

01:26:24.100 They're silent on all of it.

01:26:28.880 Yeah, they are.

01:26:29.900 I don't, I don't even know if the feminists exist any longer.

01:26:33.100 I really don't.

01:26:34.100 All the women who showed up in Washington, D.C., you know, with their, with their little hats that thought they were so cool, you know, standing up for women.

01:26:41.560 Where are you now?

01:26:43.080 Where are you now when women are being raped?

01:26:45.120 Women are being abused.

01:26:46.560 You know, scholarships are being taken away from women.

01:26:48.660 Where are you now?

01:26:50.380 Completely silent.

01:26:52.040 You want to know where they are now?

01:26:53.260 They're in the new LGBTQ mob.

01:26:55.620 That's where they are.

01:26:56.640 They're pushing this crap.

01:26:58.080 And guess what?

01:26:58.620 At the end of the day, the patriarchy wins.

01:27:00.780 That's what they're pushing.

01:27:02.360 They wanted us so equal, so equal that there are no longer differences.

01:27:07.180 They don't care about women.

01:27:08.140 They don't care about babies.

01:27:10.120 They don't care about, about any of us.

01:27:13.300 They care about their agenda.

01:27:14.680 One of the, one of the women who organized those marches, the March for Women's Lives with the pink hats, is a rabid anti-Semite.

01:27:24.380 And so it's like, it all comes together.

01:27:26.540 There's a reason she's not speaking out.

01:27:28.140 She's loving it.

01:27:29.200 She's Team Hamas.

01:27:30.860 Her name is Linda Sarsour.

01:27:32.460 And it came out shortly before the Women's March that she was this rabid anti-Semite.

01:27:36.580 No one cared.

01:27:37.400 These women still showed up as though they had common cause with her.

01:27:40.400 And here she is the other day talking about these lunatics pulling down the hostage posters, which she had some advice for the people doing it.

01:27:48.420 And here's a hint.

01:27:49.200 It wasn't.

01:27:49.820 Please stop that.

01:27:50.580 Listen.

01:27:51.740 And one thing that I will remind all of you good people that are out here, that there are tobacco tours all across the sea.

01:27:59.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:28:00.160 And what they're waiting for you to do is to waste your energy ripping down their little posters so they can record you and try to get you fired from a job.

01:28:11.720 Sisters of Brothers, you are better than that.

01:28:14.420 You are not going to be hoodwinked by opposition and provocateurs to do some stupid shit that's going to get you in trouble and it ain't even helping the people of God.

01:28:24.880 When you go home tonight, they have their little people all around the city.

01:28:29.760 Trust me, I know them.

01:28:30.780 I got a radar for them.

01:28:32.580 You think they're your people.

01:28:33.960 You think they're ordinary people.

01:28:35.640 Trust me when I tell you they are everywhere.

01:28:38.080 They're on your college campus.

01:28:40.040 They're outside the supermarket.

01:28:42.040 They're outside Grand Central Station.

01:28:44.660 So stay focused and do not be distracted by the opposition.

01:28:50.460 So correction, it was don't do it.

01:28:52.780 But don't do it because these annoying little people are going to get you fired and we can't deal with that.

01:28:58.620 But she's totally pro.

01:28:59.780 This is the woman who organized the Women's March.

01:29:02.140 These are the feminists who we're waiting for to swoop in.

01:29:04.880 These are the feminists.

01:29:06.000 What does she have to say about the woman whose breasts were cut off and then handed around to all the men?

01:29:10.660 That's what I want to know.

01:29:11.740 What does she have to say for that woman?

01:29:13.260 Yeah, she's busy pulling the posters down of women just like her who are probably undergoing similar acts on a daily basis.

01:29:23.600 All right, let's let's end on a frivolous note because the conversation is so dark and it's awful, but it's important.

01:29:30.320 But we've got to talk about Lauren Sanchez and Jeff Bezos.

01:29:34.760 Did you see the glossy Vogue spread on this pair?

01:29:42.920 It was I love it when people like just kind of cut right to the chase and reaction to this stuff.

01:29:47.340 And somebody was like, read the room, like like given what's happening right now in the nation, read the room on what's appropriate.

01:29:55.180 Vogue and Lauren and Scott Jeff, I mean, so they're they're pictured all over like he built some I don't know.

01:30:05.380 It's like some on a giant diamond cut underground clock.

01:30:10.380 She's in her like gown down in this giant underground.

01:30:15.780 Diamond cut clock.

01:30:17.780 Who's talk about having it to burn?

01:30:20.340 She uses the word magical a lot.

01:30:24.460 Her favorite recent film was Barbie.

01:30:28.660 And as Maureen Callahan brilliantly puts it in the Daily Mail, this isn't just a fawning profile of Sanchez and fiance Jeff Bezos.

01:30:35.840 It's slobbering, noncritical and as superficial as their mnemonic physiques, pneumatic, pneumatic physiques.

01:30:45.100 Callahan notes that the writer, who's actually the daughter of actress Candice Bergen and the late French film director Louis Molley,

01:30:51.800 takes a cattily elegant dig at Sanchez's somewhat gauche aesthetic.

01:30:59.000 Call her effect exuberant luxury, she writes.

01:31:03.700 A reminder that not every wealthy woman needs swaddle herself in the row.

01:31:07.960 Maureen says that's some prime bitchery right there.

01:31:10.380 It goes on and on about this woman who, let's face it, this relationship began in an extramarital affair.

01:31:17.480 They were both cheating on their spouses.

01:31:18.900 But now they're getting the vogue treatment to where we're supposed to believe it's the grand love affair.

01:31:23.060 And they point out about how out on the yacht, she's wearing her crop top, partying with Leonardo DiCaprio and Prince or Queen Rania of Jordan.

01:31:34.320 And when questioned about how this isn't very green of them to have the yacht everywhere and the private jets,

01:31:42.100 Sanchez is undaunted about her own carbon footprint.

01:31:47.160 I think Jeff and I are really focusing on the long-term commitment to climate.

01:31:52.560 We're extremely optimistic about it.

01:31:54.640 Ten billion is just the beginning.

01:31:56.940 She says they also use green aviation fuel, Carrie, whenever possible,

01:32:01.780 and that their yacht can sail using only wind power.

01:32:05.460 We've done it, and it's magical.

01:32:08.700 I want to puke in my mouth.

01:32:10.900 Me too.

01:32:11.440 I'm like, oh, please.

01:32:12.580 That is, I mean, how tone-deaf can Vogue be?

01:32:17.280 I mean, how tone-deaf can they be with everything going on in the world?

01:32:21.140 That's what they want to put.

01:32:22.860 That's who they want to talk about.

01:32:24.480 That's who they want to highlight.

01:32:26.340 It's disgusting.

01:32:27.880 I don't even want to give them two minutes of my time.

01:32:29.880 They're gross.

01:32:31.220 And that photo of them, oh, she looks like his daughter.

01:32:34.380 It's disgusting.

01:32:37.260 Meanwhile, they're talking about him.

01:32:39.040 Like, he is some sort of, like, I don't know, alpha male.

01:32:44.160 I'm trying to find it.

01:32:45.160 Okay.

01:32:46.140 Bezos emerging from the water like a Mediterranean he-man in palm print swing trunks.

01:32:52.660 His fiancee captures the photo.

01:32:54.740 Is it just me or is it hot outside?

01:32:57.400 I mean, please.

01:32:58.560 Bezos is no one's idea of a he-man.

01:33:02.620 This guy, just a couple of years ago, was like this dweeby little book salesman starting Amazon.

01:33:08.320 I think we've got, look, look, look, look, look.

01:33:11.560 That is Jeff Bezos.

01:33:13.560 Now, because he has, he's the third richest man in the world, this woman who was a news anchor has decided to leave her husband, who was, he's like the head of Endeavor, Ari Emanuel's, like, co-whatever agent business, and marry him.

01:33:30.780 This is the before and after.

01:33:31.780 But look at this guy.

01:33:32.380 And this is what they write in Vogue.

01:33:35.300 Much has been made of his evolution from round-shouldered online bookseller to a Tony Stark titan of industry and the third richest man in the world.

01:33:45.940 Now, she says, once insular and press shy, he formed a tight cocoon around Amazon and his then wife, Mackenzie, and their four children in Seattle.

01:33:55.020 Now, it's as if he's emerged from his chrysalis, a swole monarch, swole, which I actually had to look up.

01:34:04.060 It just means swollen.

01:34:04.940 A swole monarch, no longer Amazon CEO, but an empty nester who's venturing not only into the Adriatic, but into outer space.

01:34:15.180 You know what it is, Carrie?

01:34:16.380 It's magical.

01:34:17.700 It's just magical.

01:34:19.080 I mean, it's just stomach turning is what it is.

01:34:21.900 We've lost all morality.

01:34:23.320 I mean, we're celebrating a man who cheated on his wife and he has four kids, right?

01:34:27.680 Yeah.

01:34:28.700 I mean, and then she cheated on her husband with this guy.

01:34:31.620 I mean, it's so gross and it's, I give it, how many years do you give it?

01:34:37.060 Let's predict.

01:34:37.500 It's not going to make, it's not going to make the seven-year mark.

01:34:39.900 I take the under on seven.

01:34:41.560 Hard no, hard no.

01:34:43.100 Well, that's the thing.

01:34:44.060 So imagine if you're Jeff Bezos and you're cheating on your wife or you're thinking about cheating on your wife.

01:34:48.060 Do you really think that anybody's looking at you because you're, you're good looking and you're great and they really want to hang around?

01:34:55.340 They want you for your money.

01:34:56.880 And let me give you a little warning, Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez.

01:35:00.860 You'll lose them how you get them.

01:35:02.920 Yes.

01:35:03.380 You'll lose them how you get them.

01:35:05.000 Yes.

01:35:06.180 How you get a man is how you're going to lose them.

01:35:08.240 Sorry.

01:35:08.920 Right?

01:35:09.480 So it's like proceed at your own risk.

01:35:11.800 Enjoy your billions of dollars while you can on your green energy yacht.

01:35:18.080 Me, Carrie.

01:35:19.980 I'd rather not have any of those trappings.

01:35:22.680 No.

01:35:23.740 Mo' money, more problems.

01:35:24.860 That's, I'll leave it with that.

01:35:27.360 Yeah, exactly right.

01:35:28.420 Well, great to see you.

01:35:29.280 Thank you so much for being here.

01:35:30.360 As always, love your candor and your fearlessness.

01:35:33.920 Carrie Prejean Bowler.

01:35:35.160 Okay.

01:35:35.620 And thanks to all of you.

01:35:36.720 So I want to tell you something, a special programming note about tomorrow.

01:35:40.580 We're excited to have Dave Rubin, and there's plenty to go over with him.

01:35:44.080 I don't know if you saw this Gayle King soundbite on CBS this morning.

01:35:48.020 We're going to go over it, among other things, with Dave.

01:35:50.340 But special guest back on the show tomorrow to respond to these young people becoming sympathetic

01:35:56.340 to Osama bin Laden, the guy who put a bullet between bin Laden's eyes.

01:36:02.120 Rob O'Neill will be here tomorrow.

01:36:04.520 Don't miss it.

01:36:05.700 Make sure you download the show and check us out.

01:36:12.200 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 16, 2023

Young Americans Praise Bin Laden, and Vivek Ramaswamy Takes on CNN, with Bethany Mandel, Karol Markowicz, and More ｜ Ep. 671

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