The Megyn Kelly Show - Fraud Week： Megyn Kelly Reveals Personal Story of a Scam in Her Own Life Involving Her Family

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00:00:42.520 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.360 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.740 And the conclusion of Fraud Week.

00:00:48.760 I have a story that I need to share with you.

00:00:51.860 It's one I've never told publicly before.

00:00:53.820 And to do it right, it took virtually my entire family

00:00:58.260 on my husband's side.

00:01:00.000 January 22, 2021.

00:01:02.960 Much of the world is still shut down due to COVID.

00:01:05.900 Our family still living in Manhattan

00:01:07.920 and getting ready to travel south for the weekend

00:01:10.880 for my nephew's wedding.

00:01:12.900 As I pack up that Friday,

00:01:14.300 my husband Doug calls,

00:01:15.760 relaying that he has just heard

00:01:17.520 from his then 84-year-old mother,

00:01:19.800 Jackie, in Philadelphia.

00:01:21.540 She's received a disturbing phone call

00:01:23.800 from her daughter, Diane.

00:01:25.660 Diane and her partner, Brad,

00:01:27.860 are oyster fishermen on Cape Cod.

00:01:32.140 She was hysterical,

00:01:35.480 sobbing and couldn't complete a full sentence.

00:01:39.220 But she said that she was in jail

00:01:42.780 on a drunk driving charge

00:01:45.980 and that I needed to get talked to somebody

00:01:53.580 that she had a telephone number

00:01:57.040 and they were going to talk to me

00:01:59.660 about getting bail.

00:02:01.200 And this was on a Friday,

00:02:04.660 which I don't know.

00:02:08.860 Anyway, I didn't know much of anything,

00:02:11.860 but I kept asking her if she was all right.

00:02:16.900 And I just didn't know what to do.

00:02:23.580 And she just said,

00:02:24.560 I'm so scared.

00:02:26.520 I'm terrified.

00:02:28.660 And I asked her where Brad was.

00:02:34.220 And she said,

00:02:36.400 well, he's in jail too.

00:02:41.140 But she said,

00:02:42.560 I don't really have time.

00:02:44.340 They're not giving me long to talk.

00:02:47.420 You need to call this number.

00:02:50.280 So what did you do next?

00:02:52.460 I called the number.

00:02:55.640 And he told me that

00:02:57.580 the court was closed on Friday

00:03:02.880 and it was COVID.

00:03:04.980 So they had limited times

00:03:07.900 when you could get in.

00:03:10.040 And he told me to call this lawyer.

00:03:16.900 Whose name I can't remember.

00:03:19.420 And he would walk me through

00:03:21.960 getting the bail money.

00:03:25.280 So this was the court

00:03:26.860 that you were talking to,

00:03:29.200 saying you need to talk to a lawyer.

00:03:31.580 Here's a number you can call.

00:03:34.100 Yes.

00:03:35.380 And then did you call the lawyer?

00:03:37.240 I did.

00:03:38.800 I asked him,

00:03:41.920 why is she there

00:03:44.100 on a drunk driving charge

00:03:47.400 when she doesn't drink?

00:03:50.900 And he said,

00:03:53.220 well, she told me

00:03:54.320 she didn't drink

00:03:55.600 and I believed her.

00:03:57.860 So I've sent off

00:03:59.460 a tox screen,

00:04:01.300 or, you know,

00:04:02.220 I've sent off

00:04:03.200 for a blood test.

00:04:05.040 I didn't know

00:04:05.740 why Brad was

00:04:07.120 and that once

00:04:09.040 either the court told me

00:04:10.880 or the lawyer told

00:04:12.480 that Brad was in

00:04:14.580 because he assaulted

00:04:16.080 a policeman

00:04:17.140 at the scene

00:04:18.700 of the accident.

00:04:20.080 The lawyer told Jackie

00:04:21.260 the bail for both of them

00:04:22.900 was 17,000 bucks.

00:04:24.940 I said,

00:04:25.420 well,

00:04:25.720 I just don't have

00:04:27.120 that kind of cash.

00:04:29.140 I don't have that kind

00:04:30.300 of money to give you.

00:04:32.100 I said,

00:04:32.900 I'm going to have,

00:04:33.840 I'm going to call my son.

00:04:36.240 And she did.

00:04:37.220 And that's where her son,

00:04:38.460 my husband,

00:04:39.320 Doug Brunt,

00:04:39.940 comes in.

00:04:40.320 I was in the car

00:04:41.520 and my mom called

00:04:43.220 and she was distressed

00:04:44.380 and agitated

00:04:44.960 and frustrated

00:04:45.700 saying that

00:04:46.440 she had just gotten

00:04:47.360 off the phone with Diane

00:04:48.200 and Diane had been

00:04:49.780 in a car accident.

00:04:51.040 She broke her nose

00:04:51.900 and she was hysterically

00:04:53.200 bawling

00:04:53.860 from basically

00:04:55.700 the holding cell

00:04:56.520 at the jail

00:04:57.240 on Cape Cod

00:04:58.620 and that

00:04:59.480 she had this one phone

00:05:00.780 call to make

00:05:01.240 so she had called my mom

00:05:02.320 but she needed

00:05:03.380 to be bailed out.

00:05:04.320 Both she and Brad

00:05:05.240 had been arrested

00:05:05.780 so I'm asking my mom

00:05:06.680 a bunch of questions.

00:05:07.640 You know,

00:05:07.780 what the heck happened

00:05:08.960 and she was telling me

00:05:10.380 as best she could

00:05:11.200 because it was

00:05:11.580 a short phone call

00:05:12.460 and apparently Diane

00:05:13.360 was, you know,

00:05:14.540 sobbing through her

00:05:15.360 broken nose

00:05:16.140 about what had happened

00:05:17.540 but in short,

00:05:19.080 a car accident,

00:05:20.000 she broke her nose

00:05:20.540 in the car accident.

00:05:22.440 They,

00:05:22.900 the police came,

00:05:24.060 they thought that she

00:05:24.880 had been drinking

00:05:25.940 and driving.

00:05:27.100 The police got aggressive

00:05:28.320 with Diane

00:05:28.900 in response to that.

00:05:30.260 Brad got aggressive

00:05:31.200 with the police

00:05:32.120 to defend Diane

00:05:33.020 and they arrested them both

00:05:34.720 and so they're now

00:05:36.220 in jail

00:05:37.280 in Cape Cod

00:05:38.100 Diane gave my mom

00:05:39.900 this phone number

00:05:40.560 to call

00:05:41.000 who was her

00:05:42.080 court appointed lawyer

00:05:43.160 and my mom

00:05:44.780 had already spoken

00:05:45.560 with this lawyer.

00:05:46.620 She gives me the number

00:05:47.380 saying it's very confusing.

00:05:49.240 You know,

00:05:49.340 all of this was happening

00:05:50.020 during COVID

00:05:50.560 and so he had these

00:05:51.560 reasons why

00:05:52.780 the court was about

00:05:53.400 to close.

00:05:54.060 It was a Friday afternoon.

00:05:55.280 It closes early

00:05:56.000 on Fridays now

00:05:56.720 due to COVID.

00:05:57.740 Nobody's even in there

00:05:58.840 due to COVID

00:05:59.560 and we need to rush

00:06:02.120 $17,000

00:06:03.280 over to the court

00:06:04.840 or else Diane and Brad

00:06:06.460 are going to spend

00:06:06.860 a full weekend in jail.

00:06:08.100 And, you know,

00:06:08.520 everything's going to

00:06:08.980 shut down over the weekend

00:06:09.880 so they're in there

00:06:10.760 unless we can somehow

00:06:11.800 get the money

00:06:12.400 to bail them out

00:06:13.180 and we had something

00:06:14.860 like a two-hour time frame.

00:06:16.280 Right.

00:06:16.680 So I remember

00:06:17.640 you called me.

00:06:19.360 You call me

00:06:20.160 and you say...

00:06:20.800 I'm like,

00:06:21.020 honey,

00:06:21.220 handle this.

00:06:21.940 Yeah,

00:06:22.300 basically.

00:06:23.280 And I was like,

00:06:24.160 where's Abby?

00:06:26.140 Abby,

00:06:26.900 we need you.

00:06:28.080 So we were like,

00:06:29.080 wait,

00:06:29.960 this is impossible

00:06:30.840 first of all

00:06:31.280 because like the audience

00:06:31.980 doesn't know Diane and Brad

00:06:33.320 but they are the nicest,

00:06:36.140 kindest,

00:06:36.780 most upstanding,

00:06:38.180 cool people.

00:06:39.060 Like these are not

00:06:40.000 even potentially

00:06:40.820 drunk driving lunatics

00:06:42.460 who attack the cops.

00:06:43.480 They're not true.

00:06:43.980 I mean,

00:06:44.240 I think if someone

00:06:45.400 got aggressive with Diane,

00:06:46.420 I could see Brad

00:06:47.220 stepping in.

00:06:48.240 That made some sense

00:06:49.460 but otherwise,

00:06:50.460 none of it was in character.

00:06:52.080 The only thing

00:06:53.180 that gave us pause

00:06:54.200 was it was COVID.

00:06:56.980 Things were nuts.

00:06:58.120 Everyone was behaving bizarrely.

00:06:59.940 So there really was a piece

00:07:01.320 that was like,

00:07:02.200 did they have some sort

00:07:03.420 of a meltdown?

00:07:04.360 Did something...

00:07:05.040 It was so bizarre.

00:07:06.800 So mom gave me

00:07:08.020 the phone number.

00:07:08.640 I called the lawyer.

00:07:09.760 He was explaining

00:07:10.720 he needs $17,000 in cash.

00:07:12.980 He reiterates much

00:07:14.340 of what my mom told me

00:07:15.560 which is the window

00:07:16.800 is closing.

00:07:18.300 It's due to COVID protocols.

00:07:20.540 The whole thing shuts down

00:07:21.840 at four o'clock on a Friday

00:07:23.340 and it goes dark

00:07:24.760 for the weekend.

00:07:25.480 So we have only

00:07:25.980 this amount of time

00:07:26.700 to get them out of

00:07:27.660 the holding cell.

00:07:29.720 So can you get $17,000

00:07:31.720 in cash to Cape Cod right now?

00:07:34.740 And I'm thinking

00:07:35.140 I can't get myself

00:07:36.140 to Cape Cod in two hours

00:07:38.020 let alone $17,000 in cash.

00:07:39.920 So you and I start scrambling

00:07:40.960 for ideas to how to deal with this.

00:07:42.720 Right.

00:07:42.940 So we're like...

00:07:43.700 And it's not that easy

00:07:44.840 to get $17,000 cash like that.

00:07:46.840 So I'm trying to figure out

00:07:48.180 how to get the money

00:07:48.920 and you're talking to your mom

00:07:50.660 trying to calm your mom down.

00:07:51.940 You're calling your brothers

00:07:52.660 letting them know

00:07:53.640 what's happening with Di.

00:07:55.560 Everybody's like

00:07:56.020 my God this is a nightmare.

00:07:57.760 And what was the next thing

00:07:59.420 that happened?

00:07:59.940 I'm trying to remember

00:08:00.300 the next step in the chain.

00:08:01.620 We were scrambling around

00:08:02.960 to try to get money.

00:08:04.040 We were talking to the lawyer.

00:08:04.840 We'd ask him questions

00:08:05.460 like you know

00:08:05.780 what is a way we can do this?

00:08:07.700 And we had the idea

00:08:10.480 to call Di and Brad's friend

00:08:12.620 in Cape Cod

00:08:13.940 who has sort of

00:08:14.640 a whale watching business.

00:08:16.980 He has a number

00:08:17.860 of big charter boats

00:08:19.380 where you can go out

00:08:20.320 and watch the whales

00:08:20.940 off Provincetown.

00:08:21.900 Which we've done with him before.

00:08:22.920 Which we've done with him.

00:08:23.540 Yeah, so Steve.

00:08:25.120 And so we call Steve

00:08:26.280 who thank God

00:08:27.720 picks up the phone

00:08:28.380 and we get him up to speed

00:08:31.300 on the problem.

00:08:32.100 Here's that friend,

00:08:33.500 Steve from Cape Cod.

00:08:34.620 Apparently this needed

00:08:35.760 to be done locally.

00:08:37.020 So Doug called me

00:08:38.800 because I'm a close friend

00:08:40.440 of both Brad and Diane's.

00:08:43.700 It was a pretty large sum

00:08:45.220 and he said

00:08:45.820 that I'd be reimbursed

00:08:47.560 after we got him out.

00:08:49.640 But because it was a weekend

00:08:51.700 things couldn't be done normally.

00:08:54.500 So then we call back to Laura

00:08:55.400 and say we've got someone

00:08:56.900 on the ground

00:08:57.840 on the Cape

00:08:58.920 with the cash.

00:09:00.460 Where do we go?

00:09:01.540 He says actually

00:09:02.800 I'm not there now

00:09:04.180 so there's no one

00:09:04.720 to receive the cash.

00:09:05.900 So he pivoted to saying

00:09:08.000 you can use cryptocurrency

00:09:09.820 because of, again, COVID.

00:09:12.600 The courts will accept

00:09:13.880 in these extreme circumstances

00:09:15.140 the courts will actually

00:09:16.200 accept cryptocurrency.

00:09:17.940 And he was saying

00:09:18.620 he was going to give us a wire

00:09:19.560 to send it directly

00:09:20.420 to the court.

00:09:21.140 There was a phone to the court.

00:09:22.100 We could call the court

00:09:22.880 and they had, you know,

00:09:23.480 they matched up case numbers.

00:09:25.260 And we did call the court.

00:09:26.900 We called the court.

00:09:28.760 We dialed the number

00:09:29.860 that the lawyer had given us.

00:09:32.640 We had an official person answer.

00:09:34.880 We were put on hold.

00:09:36.260 They asked us for the case number.

00:09:37.780 We gave them the case number.

00:09:38.900 They looked it up.

00:09:39.580 They said Diane and Brad.

00:09:41.340 They had their names.

00:09:42.420 And they verified everything

00:09:43.860 that we had been told thus far.

00:09:45.600 When we come back,

00:09:46.840 what happened to Brad and Diane?

00:09:49.480 Thankfully, Steve was on the case.

00:09:51.980 We are picking up my conversation

00:09:57.040 with Doug about what happened

00:09:59.720 as soon as we got the instructions

00:10:01.460 on how to get the crypto delivered.

00:10:05.320 So I remember you were in Manhattan

00:10:06.880 at the time.

00:10:08.620 So I guess he went online

00:10:09.660 and found locations

00:10:11.160 where they have crypto kiosks

00:10:13.100 where you can basically insert cash

00:10:14.640 and it comes out on the other end

00:10:16.080 as cryptocurrency.

00:10:17.040 So that's our next plan.

00:10:19.360 But at this point,

00:10:20.020 we're like, this is nuts.

00:10:21.640 This is very sketchy.

00:10:22.660 This can't be real.

00:10:23.400 But I still thought,

00:10:25.460 you know, going back to what we know,

00:10:28.540 Diane's still in jail.

00:10:30.200 It was like,

00:10:30.680 maybe there's a sketchy lawyer involved.

00:10:32.040 But really, we were like,

00:10:33.100 Diane and Brad are in trouble.

00:10:34.260 Yeah.

00:10:34.520 And we've got to find a way

00:10:35.640 of helping them.

00:10:36.720 And thank God

00:10:37.740 that you enlisted Steve.

00:10:39.580 Yeah.

00:10:39.820 So when we call Steve,

00:10:40.760 we say,

00:10:41.260 it's got to be crypto now.

00:10:42.360 So stand down

00:10:43.280 on the brown bag of cash.

00:10:45.000 And so Steve's thinking,

00:10:47.100 this is nuts.

00:10:48.560 So he,

00:10:48.960 but he's now fully in it.

00:10:50.240 You know,

00:10:50.440 he thought Diane Brad needed rescuing.

00:10:52.740 So he's still in rescue mode.

00:10:54.540 Steve asks for the lawyer's number

00:10:56.380 so he can arrange this payment directly.

00:10:58.360 And here the lawyer gets something very wrong,

00:11:02.000 as Jackie would later explain to me.

00:11:04.940 The town was Barnstable.

00:11:07.620 And he said Barnstable

00:11:10.040 because it's spelled that way.

00:11:14.400 But up there,

00:11:15.600 they call it Barnstable.

00:11:17.860 You know,

00:11:18.220 no one local

00:11:18.980 that would have known straight off.

00:11:20.800 You know,

00:11:20.960 he didn't speak like he was even here.

00:11:22.880 So,

00:11:23.200 so that was a dead giveaway.

00:11:26.180 That's when Steve decided

00:11:27.700 to drive by Diane and Brad's house

00:11:29.840 and to call the house phone

00:11:31.160 on the way there.

00:11:32.320 Where were Diane and Brad?

00:11:34.140 In our living room.

00:11:37.280 Having a great day.

00:11:38.360 It was a regular perfect day

00:11:41.140 in our lives.

00:11:42.760 Not in jail.

00:11:43.800 Not punching out cubs.

00:11:45.420 Happy at home.

00:11:46.100 It had been a long time

00:11:47.160 since we'd been in jail.

00:11:49.980 I was in my recliner

00:11:51.360 and I was very comfortable.

00:11:54.380 In fact,

00:11:55.160 it's a swivel recliner

00:11:56.460 that,

00:11:57.300 you know,

00:11:57.620 goes back and forth.

00:11:58.600 It goes every direction in the house.

00:12:00.480 I live in it.

00:12:01.780 It's perfect.

00:12:02.880 None of it was real.

00:12:04.040 They had no idea

00:12:05.420 any of this was going on.

00:12:06.680 Right.

00:12:06.840 And we'd been running around

00:12:07.740 for hours at this point.

00:12:09.180 Hysterical.

00:12:10.760 They were totally fine.

00:12:12.700 There had been

00:12:13.220 no incident whatsoever.

00:12:15.500 Yes,

00:12:16.180 Doug and I,

00:12:17.020 with all of our so-called

00:12:18.500 higher education

00:12:20.200 and city sophistication,

00:12:22.860 had almost been had

00:12:23.740 by some con man

00:12:24.720 until Steve,

00:12:26.160 the Cape Cod whale watch guy,

00:12:28.280 shut the whole thing down.

00:12:29.520 I just stopped

00:12:30.820 and took a breath

00:12:34.020 and thought it out

00:12:35.740 a little bit

00:12:36.220 and it just didn't make

00:12:37.440 any sense to me at all.

00:12:39.080 He is so incredibly capable

00:12:41.940 at every aspect of life.

00:12:44.180 Like,

00:12:44.360 he just is just

00:12:45.740 a can-do guy.

00:12:47.040 There's nothing.

00:12:47.900 Like,

00:12:48.060 he's unstoppable,

00:12:49.180 especially in,

00:12:50.040 like,

00:12:50.240 his business.

00:12:51.400 And,

00:12:51.540 you know,

00:12:51.760 dealing with stuff

00:12:52.680 on the water,

00:12:53.400 too,

00:12:53.620 makes you that way

00:12:54.360 because when you're out

00:12:55.620 on a boat or a ship,

00:12:57.040 you can't walk home

00:12:58.340 if there's a problem.

00:12:59.540 So,

00:12:59.800 he has that mentality

00:13:00.980 that wherever he's standing,

00:13:02.940 he can fix the problem.

00:13:04.520 But Steve is also,

00:13:05.560 like,

00:13:05.980 a cool customer.

00:13:07.060 Like,

00:13:07.260 he's not,

00:13:08.000 like,

00:13:08.340 he told us after the fact,

00:13:09.940 yeah,

00:13:10.300 he's like,

00:13:11.660 yeah,

00:13:12.200 I mean,

00:13:12.400 when he,

00:13:13.940 when I answered the phone

00:13:14.800 and it was Steve,

00:13:15.440 he said,

00:13:16.360 oh,

00:13:17.880 good,

00:13:18.300 you're home.

00:13:19.160 I have to call Doug.

00:13:19.900 Like,

00:13:20.140 in that tone of voice.

00:13:20.980 He wasn't like,

00:13:21.760 oh my God,

00:13:22.200 you're safe.

00:13:22.700 You know,

00:13:22.880 he doesn't overreact to anything.

00:13:24.460 He's great in a crisis

00:13:25.640 and he,

00:13:27.040 when we asked him later,

00:13:28.260 he said,

00:13:28.660 I was going to call you.

00:13:30.440 If you didn't answer,

00:13:31.240 I was going to go to your house.

00:13:32.440 If you weren't there,

00:13:33.140 I was going to go to the Wellfleet police,

00:13:34.980 our town.

00:13:35.720 And if they didn't know anything about it,

00:13:38.680 I was going to end there.

00:13:39.920 If they did,

00:13:40.740 I was going to go to Barnstable

00:13:41.760 with the money.

00:13:42.940 So,

00:13:43.400 he was never,

00:13:44.380 he's unflappable.

00:13:45.640 So,

00:13:46.100 Steve figured this whole thing out

00:13:48.840 and Doug and I began asking ourselves,

00:13:51.880 how on earth did we almost fall

00:13:54.380 for this nonsense?

00:13:55.180 Well,

00:13:56.360 it all boiled down to one thing

00:13:58.840 in our defense.

00:14:00.580 We believed that Doug's mom

00:14:02.800 had actually spoken with Diane.

00:14:05.160 That was the key to this whole thing

00:14:06.900 running us out as long as it did

00:14:09.280 because what we thought we had

00:14:10.860 in the category of things we know

00:14:12.540 wasn't right.

00:14:13.620 That was a bad assumption.

00:14:14.580 Right.

00:14:14.880 They had fooled your mom,

00:14:16.240 which is absolutely amazing

00:14:17.300 that they fooled her

00:14:18.740 about her own daughter's voice.

00:14:21.560 Hence,

00:14:21.800 the importance of the broken nose.

00:14:23.320 Yeah.

00:14:23.680 Right.

00:14:24.360 Right.

00:14:24.660 They had so many tricks.

00:14:25.960 And then,

00:14:26.200 of course,

00:14:26.440 COVID was just

00:14:27.220 opened the door

00:14:28.120 to so many of these stupid things

00:14:29.740 because we're all,

00:14:30.780 everything was ridiculous then.

00:14:32.140 Yeah.

00:14:32.700 That's why they didn't,

00:14:34.240 she didn't get it.

00:14:35.120 Your mom heard

00:14:35.740 a hysterical adult woman

00:14:37.700 claiming she had broken her nose,

00:14:39.720 which would explain

00:14:40.200 a differed voice.

00:14:41.640 And she went with it.

00:14:43.600 She believed it.

00:14:44.080 I thought it was Diane

00:14:47.720 and still,

00:14:49.260 if I could hear it again,

00:14:51.860 I would still think it was Diane.

00:14:54.780 You believed it

00:14:56.120 because why?

00:14:57.560 It sounded like her voice

00:15:01.340 and the panic.

00:15:05.260 I mean,

00:15:05.560 I could take the,

00:15:06.860 it just seemed like

00:15:08.220 she was crying and screaming

00:15:10.900 and not screaming.

00:15:11.980 She was just kind of hysterical

00:15:14.900 and it sounded like her.

00:15:19.360 The whole situation

00:15:21.560 did not sound like her,

00:15:24.740 but I really couldn't,

00:15:26.660 you know,

00:15:26.940 at the time,

00:15:29.200 I couldn't really

00:15:30.340 work my way through

00:15:32.780 the car accident.

00:15:36.800 And I did realize

00:15:38.540 that they,

00:15:40.040 she would have been

00:15:41.260 in a drunk driving

00:15:42.680 accident,

00:15:43.940 which is why

00:15:44.980 I asked the lawyer

00:15:46.380 that.

00:15:48.060 Right,

00:15:48.280 because Diane doesn't drink.

00:15:50.260 No.

00:15:51.580 Right.

00:15:52.180 And that's why he said

00:15:53.440 he believed her

00:15:54.900 when she told him that

00:15:57.900 and that's why

00:15:58.860 he sent off

00:15:59.900 a blood test.

00:16:01.460 When you found out

00:16:02.720 that this was

00:16:03.760 an attempted fraud,

00:16:05.680 what did you think?

00:16:07.120 What was your reaction?

00:16:07.760 I was wondering

00:16:09.760 how I could have been

00:16:10.980 so stupid.

00:16:12.680 Frankly,

00:16:13.440 I mean,

00:16:13.820 I just so thoroughly

00:16:15.380 bought into that

00:16:17.020 and

00:16:18.600 by that time

00:16:20.820 it was

00:16:21.220 out of my hands

00:16:23.060 and I just

00:16:24.440 watch

00:16:25.080 all of you

00:16:26.900 take over

00:16:27.820 and figure it out.

00:16:29.640 We're loved.

00:16:30.660 We're loved.

00:16:31.440 We did come away

00:16:32.220 from that feeling

00:16:32.920 very loved.

00:16:33.860 It was so sophisticated,

00:16:35.020 you know,

00:16:35.940 the woman calling,

00:16:37.600 pretending to be Diane,

00:16:39.500 the lawyer,

00:16:40.780 the court,

00:16:42.300 you know,

00:16:42.540 multiple people involved.

00:16:44.520 Did you ever

00:16:45.340 figure out

00:16:46.400 how

00:16:46.760 you were chosen

00:16:48.380 for this?

00:16:50.260 No.

00:16:51.720 I really

00:16:53.160 didn't

00:16:54.240 know.

00:16:56.160 I have no idea.

00:16:58.060 But then again,

00:16:59.680 with these scams,

00:17:01.080 I can't tell you

00:17:05.000 how many times

00:17:06.160 I've gotten

00:17:06.920 one of these

00:17:08.500 phone calls

00:17:09.400 that says,

00:17:10.660 Grandma,

00:17:12.080 I'm in trouble.

00:17:13.900 I need help.

00:17:15.720 Oh,

00:17:16.160 really?

00:17:17.400 Yes.

00:17:18.680 And it's more fun

00:17:20.200 because

00:17:20.760 now I just say,

00:17:23.080 is your mother

00:17:24.300 proud of what

00:17:25.420 you're doing?

00:17:26.600 And they always

00:17:27.740 hang up on me.

00:17:28.780 So for those

00:17:32.440 out there,

00:17:32.980 it's Barnstable

00:17:33.580 if they try

00:17:34.320 to do it again

00:17:34.880 and it's not

00:17:35.340 Barnstable.

00:17:38.620 So,

00:17:39.520 Di and Brad

00:17:40.120 are safe.

00:17:41.000 No one has

00:17:41.540 handed over

00:17:42.180 any money,

00:17:43.580 thank God.

00:17:44.480 And Steve

00:17:45.200 has saved the day.

00:17:46.560 Now,

00:17:47.460 Doug and I

00:17:47.900 decide to have

00:17:48.860 a little fun

00:17:49.620 with our con man

00:17:50.880 who does not

00:17:51.940 yet know

00:17:52.560 he's been busted.

00:17:54.240 I called him up

00:17:55.380 with Doug

00:17:56.240 taping the conversation.

00:17:57.400 And what happened

00:17:58.780 next was

00:17:59.620 six minutes

00:18:00.360 of gold.

00:18:01.700 That's next.

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00:19:04.120 All right,

00:19:07.220 I want to take you

00:19:08.020 through my phone call

00:19:08.920 with the scammer now,

00:19:10.480 but to help me

00:19:11.240 walk you through it,

00:19:12.720 I brought in

00:19:13.400 my pal,

00:19:13.960 Bill Stanton.

00:19:14.880 He's former

00:19:15.520 NYPD,

00:19:16.480 a private investigator,

00:19:17.460 and a security expert

00:19:18.380 who helps us out

00:19:19.440 sometimes on our own

00:19:20.240 security from time

00:19:20.940 to time.

00:19:21.700 Watch this.

00:19:22.660 So,

00:19:23.380 I'm just going to

00:19:25.120 play the call,

00:19:26.080 okay,

00:19:26.440 that I did

00:19:26.900 with this guy

00:19:27.500 once we were

00:19:28.260 finally on to this,

00:19:29.640 and I would love

00:19:30.680 if we could

00:19:31.060 analyze it

00:19:31.640 as we go.

00:19:32.400 All right,

00:19:32.600 and I can pause it

00:19:33.580 if necessary.

00:19:34.400 Here we go.

00:19:40.140 This is Paul.

00:19:41.260 Paul, hey,

00:19:41.840 it's Megan Kelly.

00:19:42.900 So,

00:19:43.360 I haven't received

00:19:44.080 the Bitcoin

00:19:44.520 verification yet.

00:19:45.860 I was using

00:19:46.400 my real name.

00:19:47.860 He knew

00:19:48.300 who I was,

00:19:49.120 and I had mentioned

00:19:50.340 that I was

00:19:51.320 a public figure.

00:19:52.920 Didn't stop him

00:19:53.840 one bit.

00:19:54.980 Didn't bat an eye.

00:19:55.840 You're not surprised

00:19:56.440 at that,

00:19:56.940 or are you?

00:19:58.020 Well,

00:19:58.720 my guess is

00:20:00.020 he's not

00:20:00.840 from this country.

00:20:01.960 He may be

00:20:02.420 out of the country.

00:20:03.420 What?

00:20:03.640 He sounds American.

00:20:04.460 He does sound American,

00:20:05.660 but I don't know

00:20:06.640 that he fully knew

00:20:07.480 the impact

00:20:08.100 of Megan Kelly

00:20:09.040 or what was coming.

00:20:10.120 Yeah.

00:20:10.660 He was about

00:20:11.300 to be humiliated.

00:20:12.080 Exactly.

00:20:12.780 From Horn's Horse?

00:20:13.880 Yeah.

00:20:14.300 Is that Bitcoin,

00:20:16.040 whatever that is?

00:20:16.740 Is that Bitcoin?

00:20:18.300 Yes.

00:20:18.600 It hasn't,

00:20:19.560 it hasn't come through.

00:20:20.380 Do you have any

00:20:20.940 verification from them

00:20:22.700 at all?

00:20:23.240 No.

00:20:23.680 Is there another way

00:20:24.880 of doing this?

00:20:25.560 Because I'm worried

00:20:26.220 about them sitting

00:20:26.960 there all day.

00:20:29.520 Okay.

00:20:30.140 Well,

00:20:32.040 did you check

00:20:32.560 your text messages?

00:20:33.660 Yeah.

00:20:34.080 Does it still say

00:20:35.440 awaiting review?

00:20:36.380 Yep.

00:20:36.740 There's nothing,

00:20:37.660 another one didn't

00:20:38.600 come in,

00:20:39.360 so that's the last

00:20:39.940 I have.

00:20:40.820 At this point,

00:20:41.380 he's walking me

00:20:42.200 through exactly

00:20:42.760 how to get him

00:20:43.700 the Bitcoin.

00:20:44.600 I mean,

00:20:44.860 he's an expert.

00:20:46.120 As I was listening

00:20:48.280 to this on the way

00:20:49.060 down here,

00:20:50.040 what your listeners

00:20:51.100 are listening to

00:20:51.960 is a master class

00:20:53.920 in three-level chess.

00:20:56.360 It is a mind game

00:20:57.880 that's going on

00:20:58.860 and you handle it

00:21:00.580 phenomenally.

00:21:01.400 Okay,

00:21:01.680 let's go.

00:21:02.200 Here we go.

00:21:03.220 Where are you?

00:21:04.220 Are you located

00:21:05.180 at the machine?

00:21:06.360 I haven't gone

00:21:07.000 down there yet

00:21:07.500 because I don't

00:21:08.400 have the verification.

00:21:10.100 Don't I need

00:21:10.480 the verification

00:21:10.940 before I can

00:21:11.700 send anything?

00:21:12.560 You're going to

00:21:13.160 have to get on

00:21:13.680 the chat

00:21:14.240 and contact them

00:21:16.100 because it could

00:21:16.680 be that maybe

00:21:17.320 the pictures

00:21:18.920 were not legible

00:21:20.820 or something like

00:21:21.800 that,

00:21:22.280 but if you go

00:21:23.480 on the coinsource.net,

00:21:25.180 you can actually

00:21:25.700 get on the chat

00:21:26.380 with them

00:21:26.920 and ask them

00:21:28.320 what's the status

00:21:29.540 of your verification.

00:21:31.580 All right.

00:21:32.660 I'm worried about

00:21:33.640 them sitting there

00:21:34.360 all day.

00:21:34.880 Is there any

00:21:35.860 other way

00:21:36.360 of doing this?

00:21:37.220 I did contact

00:21:38.180 the court

00:21:38.820 and explain

00:21:39.840 to them

00:21:40.280 about the

00:21:41.760 shutdown there

00:21:42.540 and it's

00:21:44.660 unconstitutional

00:21:45.420 to keep them

00:21:46.140 there,

00:21:46.440 so we've got

00:21:48.000 enough time

00:21:48.460 to get them

00:21:48.820 out.

00:21:49.100 We just have

00:21:49.540 to try

00:21:49.840 to pay

00:21:50.160 the bails

00:21:50.640 to get them

00:21:51.280 out.

00:21:52.060 Like,

00:21:53.240 how are they,

00:21:55.220 is there any

00:21:55.660 way of lowering

00:21:56.820 the bail

00:21:57.300 or getting them

00:21:57.860 out just

00:21:58.300 for now?

00:21:59.100 I love what

00:21:59.720 you're doing

00:22:00.160 here because

00:22:01.020 I call it

00:22:01.680 doing the

00:22:02.040 Columbo.

00:22:02.920 You're playing

00:22:03.560 stupid,

00:22:04.900 but you're doing

00:22:05.380 it brilliantly.

00:22:06.400 Because at this

00:22:06.760 point I know.

00:22:07.240 Yeah,

00:22:07.540 yes,

00:22:07.880 yes,

00:22:08.180 and you're

00:22:09.040 just slowly

00:22:09.800 reeling him

00:22:10.420 in and he

00:22:11.080 doesn't realize

00:22:12.000 he thinks

00:22:12.860 he's the

00:22:13.320 predator.

00:22:13.840 Yeah.

00:22:14.260 Meanwhile,

00:22:14.680 you're putting

00:22:15.120 your jaws

00:22:15.620 around him.

00:22:16.520 Like,

00:22:16.760 how serious

00:22:17.220 are these

00:22:17.580 charges?

00:22:19.400 Well,

00:22:19.680 they're very

00:22:20.040 serious.

00:22:20.520 I mean,

00:22:20.720 it's a very

00:22:21.120 serious charge.

00:22:23.560 If there were

00:22:24.980 not for the

00:22:25.860 blood tests,

00:22:27.080 we'd probably,

00:22:28.060 you know,

00:22:28.340 be looking at

00:22:28.980 some jail time.

00:22:30.480 Did she take

00:22:31.340 one already?

00:22:32.880 Yeah,

00:22:33.340 I already

00:22:33.720 requested it.

00:22:34.440 We're just

00:22:34.720 waiting for the

00:22:35.240 result.

00:22:36.220 You know,

00:22:36.440 I'm pretty

00:22:36.800 sure it's

00:22:37.160 going to

00:22:37.300 come back

00:22:37.700 below the

00:22:38.100 levels because

00:22:38.520 that's what

00:22:38.980 she,

00:22:39.840 you know,

00:22:40.060 she promised

00:22:40.900 me that she

00:22:41.540 was not

00:22:41.960 drinking.

00:22:42.500 No,

00:22:42.920 there is

00:22:43.300 zero chance

00:22:44.440 that she

00:22:45.000 was drinking.

00:22:46.080 Zero.

00:22:46.660 So this is

00:22:47.100 one of the

00:22:47.480 weird risks

00:22:48.020 he took,

00:22:48.940 where he

00:22:49.680 based this

00:22:50.260 whole alleged

00:22:50.920 crime on

00:22:51.520 Diane,

00:22:52.640 drunk driving.

00:22:53.800 And this is

00:22:54.660 an area in

00:22:55.060 which he

00:22:55.280 didn't do

00:22:55.620 his homework

00:22:56.000 because she

00:22:57.020 and Brad

00:22:57.380 don't drink.

00:22:58.320 They just

00:22:58.620 don't drink.

00:22:59.180 It's not

00:22:59.540 their thing.

00:23:00.640 And he,

00:23:01.500 so he took

00:23:01.820 a shot at

00:23:03.120 it and then

00:23:03.660 everybody from

00:23:04.520 Jackie to

00:23:05.820 Doug to

00:23:06.460 me,

00:23:06.780 we were all

00:23:07.260 like,

00:23:08.000 they don't

00:23:08.400 drink.

00:23:09.280 Right?

00:23:09.780 What do you

00:23:10.000 mean?

00:23:10.280 Like he kind

00:23:10.700 of,

00:23:11.100 but he was

00:23:12.380 like,

00:23:12.720 yeah,

00:23:13.060 you know,

00:23:13.560 I believe

00:23:14.060 her.

00:23:14.400 That's why

00:23:14.760 I'm going

00:23:15.100 to,

00:23:15.200 I'm going

00:23:15.480 to mandate

00:23:15.960 the blood

00:23:16.640 test.

00:23:17.020 Well,

00:23:17.300 this,

00:23:17.540 this character

00:23:18.300 is a

00:23:18.860 combination

00:23:19.440 fortune teller

00:23:20.640 con man

00:23:21.780 and he's

00:23:22.260 reading

00:23:22.620 everything,

00:23:23.440 right?

00:23:23.920 So he

00:23:24.620 has maybe

00:23:25.060 done dozens

00:23:25.880 if not

00:23:26.260 hundreds of

00:23:26.940 these calls

00:23:27.540 before.

00:23:28.240 So just

00:23:28.920 like a fortune

00:23:29.500 teller,

00:23:29.940 he's feeling

00:23:30.580 it out

00:23:31.160 and he

00:23:31.880 needs to

00:23:32.580 make some

00:23:33.080 leaps in

00:23:33.960 order to

00:23:34.400 advance to

00:23:35.120 get to

00:23:35.440 endgame.

00:23:36.100 And like a

00:23:36.700 telemarketer,

00:23:37.920 he has heard

00:23:38.740 so many

00:23:39.580 different responses

00:23:40.520 and he knows

00:23:41.940 where to put

00:23:42.820 like cut and

00:23:43.460 paste what type

00:23:44.260 of answer.

00:23:44.960 Yes,

00:23:45.120 yes.

00:23:45.440 And that's

00:23:45.980 what you're

00:23:46.500 defeating here

00:23:47.780 and we'll

00:23:48.500 listen as

00:23:49.040 we go on

00:23:49.800 as he

00:23:50.580 stumbles

00:23:51.020 like a

00:23:51.500 mental

00:23:51.880 computer

00:23:52.680 glitch.

00:23:53.340 You'll

00:23:53.800 hear it

00:23:54.200 as you

00:23:54.560 get him.

00:23:55.100 He's so

00:23:55.440 clever because

00:23:56.240 he doesn't

00:23:56.740 get thrown

00:23:57.340 at all by

00:23:58.200 she doesn't

00:23:58.800 drink.

00:23:59.160 He's like,

00:23:59.600 I'm on

00:24:00.180 your side.

00:24:00.620 I agree.

00:24:01.100 She wasn't

00:24:01.580 drunk.

00:24:01.880 That's why

00:24:02.200 I'm

00:24:02.380 mandated

00:24:02.660 blood tests.

00:24:03.540 Right.

00:24:03.800 I mean,

00:24:04.020 that's smooth.

00:24:05.240 So once

00:24:05.680 it,

00:24:06.340 once we pay

00:24:06.840 the bail,

00:24:07.560 how long

00:24:08.140 until they

00:24:08.640 can get

00:24:09.060 out?

00:24:10.460 It takes

00:24:10.900 about 45

00:24:11.840 minutes to

00:24:12.580 an hour for

00:24:13.180 them to be

00:24:13.720 released.

00:24:14.840 Okay.

00:24:15.300 And where,

00:24:15.860 like,

00:24:16.300 how do

00:24:16.640 we get

00:24:17.080 them?

00:24:21.260 Are you

00:24:21.800 going to be

00:24:22.120 coming down

00:24:22.540 to pick

00:24:22.860 them up?

00:24:23.500 We're not,

00:24:24.120 but we'll

00:24:24.580 find somebody

00:24:25.080 there.

00:24:25.600 Like,

00:24:25.820 they have a

00:24:26.380 friend there

00:24:26.820 who we

00:24:27.880 looped in

00:24:28.440 and he was

00:24:29.080 going to try

00:24:29.380 to help,

00:24:29.940 but that

00:24:30.260 didn't work.

00:24:31.460 But he's

00:24:31.840 there,

00:24:32.180 so he can

00:24:32.520 get them.

00:24:35.060 Okay.

00:24:36.360 Well,

00:24:37.040 yeah,

00:24:37.340 I mean,

00:24:37.700 once you guys

00:24:38.300 pay the bail,

00:24:38.860 you can have

00:24:39.400 them drive down

00:24:40.740 and they can

00:24:41.420 pick them up.

00:24:42.320 He didn't

00:24:42.700 answer.

00:24:43.560 Right.

00:24:43.960 Well,

00:24:44.180 you see,

00:24:44.880 the longer

00:24:45.340 you're talking,

00:24:45.960 the more

00:24:46.260 it's giving

00:24:46.620 him a chance

00:24:47.320 to formulate

00:24:47.900 some bullshit

00:24:48.740 on what to

00:24:49.860 say back

00:24:50.340 to you.

00:24:50.780 He doesn't

00:24:51.160 know the

00:24:51.480 address of

00:24:51.920 the courthouse.

00:24:53.060 And you

00:24:54.400 are like

00:24:55.140 a cat

00:24:56.300 blocking him

00:24:57.320 off like a

00:24:58.200 mouse trying

00:24:58.800 to get away

00:24:59.400 and you keep

00:25:00.180 putting a paw

00:25:00.740 down and then

00:25:01.260 he runs the

00:25:01.740 other way.

00:25:02.300 Yeah.

00:25:02.520 And then you

00:25:02.920 put a paw

00:25:03.380 down here.

00:25:03.960 He tried to

00:25:04.420 get out of

00:25:04.800 Dodge and

00:25:05.920 I'm like,

00:25:06.320 I need the

00:25:06.780 address of the

00:25:07.560 jail so I

00:25:08.160 can pick them

00:25:08.640 up and he's

00:25:09.400 wondering what

00:25:09.820 to say.

00:25:10.200 Let me give

00:25:10.700 you the

00:25:10.920 address.

00:25:25.660 It's

00:25:26.060 725

00:25:26.720 Bedford.

00:25:28.780 Let me write

00:25:29.620 this down.

00:25:31.580 Wait,

00:25:32.080 what's in

00:25:32.400 what's the

00:25:32.760 city?

00:25:34.540 Bedford.

00:25:34.940 Okay,

00:25:39.640 and what's

00:25:39.960 the city?

00:25:42.940 Stanford.

00:25:45.140 Stanford,

00:25:45.760 Connecticut?

00:25:47.020 Correct.

00:25:49.700 Paul,

00:25:50.320 they're in

00:25:51.080 Cape Cod.

00:25:57.460 You're

00:25:57.940 absolutely

00:25:58.300 right.

00:25:58.660 I'm really

00:25:58.940 sorry.

00:25:59.340 I was

00:25:59.640 confused.

00:26:00.460 I have

00:26:00.740 another case

00:26:01.480 that's in

00:26:02.120 Stanford.

00:26:03.620 It's just

00:26:03.960 been a very

00:26:04.480 long,

00:26:04.880 Dave.

00:26:05.120 That was

00:26:05.520 the mental

00:26:05.920 glitch.

00:26:07.060 And this

00:26:07.440 guy is,

00:26:08.120 as I said,

00:26:08.700 dozens if not

00:26:09.420 hundreds of

00:26:09.980 calls before.

00:26:11.300 And notice

00:26:12.220 how he

00:26:12.960 maintains his

00:26:13.860 calm,

00:26:14.920 right?

00:26:15.280 But there's

00:26:15.760 these big

00:26:16.320 pauses.

00:26:16.520 He doesn't

00:26:16.800 hang up

00:26:17.240 right there.

00:26:17.940 He doesn't

00:26:18.020 hang up

00:26:18.280 because he's

00:26:18.860 invested in

00:26:19.680 you.

00:26:20.300 You are

00:26:20.820 money on

00:26:21.620 the hoof

00:26:22.100 to him,

00:26:22.880 right?

00:26:23.400 Now,

00:26:23.700 he may

00:26:24.060 have 10

00:26:24.720 other calls

00:26:25.360 in process

00:26:26.260 lined up,

00:26:27.160 but right

00:26:27.480 now,

00:26:27.780 all his

00:26:28.160 focus is

00:26:29.040 to get

00:26:29.360 the money

00:26:29.740 out of

00:26:30.080 you.

00:26:30.680 And every

00:26:31.080 second is

00:26:31.600 a cost-benefit

00:26:32.380 analysis.

00:26:32.980 Can I

00:26:34.900 still reel

00:26:35.660 this one

00:26:36.300 into the

00:26:36.860 boat?

00:26:37.020 Yes,

00:26:37.380 right.

00:26:37.660 And I

00:26:38.460 think he

00:26:38.920 was either

00:26:39.240 confused because

00:26:40.040 he had

00:26:40.440 another potential

00:26:41.860 fish in

00:26:42.640 Stanford,

00:26:43.120 Connecticut,

00:26:43.820 or it was

00:26:44.340 because,

00:26:44.940 Stanford,

00:26:45.940 or it was

00:26:46.220 because Doug

00:26:47.560 was in

00:26:48.560 Connecticut that

00:26:49.380 day.

00:26:49.600 That was a

00:26:49.960 year that we

00:26:50.620 were commuting

00:26:51.500 our two

00:26:51.920 boys to

00:26:52.640 Connecticut,

00:26:52.940 and our

00:26:53.580 daughter was

00:26:54.080 still going

00:26:54.480 to school

00:26:54.760 in New

00:26:54.980 York,

00:26:55.160 so we

00:26:55.720 would split

00:26:56.040 up during

00:26:56.380 the days.

00:26:56.900 And when

00:26:58.220 he spoke

00:26:58.540 with Doug,

00:26:59.040 I think Doug

00:26:59.540 said,

00:26:59.960 I'm in

00:27:00.260 Connecticut,

00:27:00.880 so he got

00:27:01.500 confused.

00:27:02.300 There were

00:27:02.540 too many

00:27:02.920 cities,

00:27:03.540 too many

00:27:03.840 places to

00:27:04.440 juggle.

00:27:04.520 Too many

00:27:04.820 balls.

00:27:05.420 Exactly.

00:27:06.500 So where

00:27:07.240 are they?

00:27:09.520 I gave

00:27:09.980 you the

00:27:11.140 address

00:27:11.540 earlier.

00:27:12.760 It's in

00:27:13.300 Barnstable.

00:27:14.740 You gave

00:27:15.020 it to your

00:27:15.380 husband.

00:27:16.620 Meanwhile,

00:27:17.740 actual

00:27:18.140 Cape Codders

00:27:18.760 call it

00:27:19.080 Barnstable.

00:27:20.640 And he's

00:27:21.440 claiming that

00:27:22.060 he's from

00:27:22.740 there.

00:27:23.080 Yeah.

00:27:23.460 Right.

00:27:23.880 They don't say

00:27:24.380 Barnstable.

00:27:24.720 he's getting

00:27:25.220 burned on

00:27:26.000 multiple

00:27:26.380 areas.

00:27:27.280 He fell

00:27:27.820 down a

00:27:28.180 little on

00:27:28.480 the job

00:27:28.840 here.

00:27:29.900 Just a

00:27:30.380 second.

00:27:38.640 Let me

00:27:39.180 see if she's

00:27:39.620 still there

00:27:40.000 because it

00:27:40.560 could have

00:27:40.900 been moved.

00:27:42.000 Yeah,

00:27:42.300 it's 3195

00:27:43.520 Main

00:27:43.820 Street.

00:27:45.300 3195

00:27:46.140 Main

00:27:47.660 Street.

00:27:48.980 She's

00:27:49.420 still there.

00:27:50.820 Okay.

00:27:51.580 Main

00:27:51.780 Street.

00:27:53.040 So what's

00:27:53.860 that town?

00:27:55.720 Barnstable.

00:27:57.600 Barnstable.

00:28:00.480 Okay.

00:28:01.240 And where

00:28:01.860 are you?

00:28:04.100 I'm in

00:28:05.280 Barnstable,

00:28:07.320 but I'm

00:28:07.700 not currently

00:28:08.500 here.

00:28:09.000 I'm in

00:28:09.300 Ohio handling

00:28:10.260 some family

00:28:10.960 business,

00:28:11.540 and I'm

00:28:11.760 going to

00:28:11.880 be back

00:28:12.260 here on

00:28:13.380 Monday.

00:28:13.860 So why

00:28:14.600 he has

00:28:15.460 to not

00:28:15.880 be in

00:28:16.280 Barnstable

00:28:16.760 because he

00:28:17.820 can't receive

00:28:18.540 the money

00:28:18.980 in cash

00:28:19.960 by our

00:28:21.040 friend who's

00:28:21.760 ready to

00:28:22.140 deliver cash

00:28:22.960 to his

00:28:23.360 face?

00:28:23.860 Right.

00:28:24.520 He's got

00:28:24.880 to be

00:28:25.080 someplace

00:28:25.380 else so

00:28:26.120 that we

00:28:26.540 have to

00:28:26.880 wire it

00:28:27.560 Bitcoin.

00:28:28.420 Right.

00:28:28.640 And he

00:28:28.880 adds like

00:28:30.020 family

00:28:30.540 business

00:28:31.040 to prey

00:28:32.140 upon,

00:28:32.840 you know,

00:28:33.420 your good

00:28:34.000 will and

00:28:34.960 to humanize

00:28:35.780 him.

00:28:36.380 Right?

00:28:36.880 Like,

00:28:37.200 oh,

00:28:37.340 this guy's

00:28:37.760 a regular

00:28:38.140 guy.

00:28:38.800 It's not a

00:28:39.380 confidence man.

00:28:40.220 This is

00:28:40.620 legit.

00:28:41.500 You can

00:28:41.740 hear him

00:28:42.080 thinking,

00:28:42.480 they can

00:28:42.660 hear the

00:28:42.960 wheels

00:28:43.200 turning.

00:28:43.440 Yes,

00:28:43.880 you can

00:28:44.120 hear it

00:28:44.400 grinding.

00:28:45.380 Right.

00:28:45.620 And you

00:28:46.200 just keep

00:28:46.600 throwing monkey

00:28:47.240 wrench after

00:28:47.760 monkey wrench.

00:28:48.240 It's great

00:28:48.640 to just ask

00:28:49.160 questions.

00:28:49.800 Uh-huh.

00:28:50.420 Right?

00:28:50.640 Like,

00:28:50.760 that can be

00:28:51.140 harder than

00:28:51.660 even,

00:28:51.880 like,

00:28:52.260 confronting

00:28:52.900 with facts.

00:28:53.460 Exactly.

00:28:54.580 Are you

00:28:55.040 a sole

00:28:55.420 practitioner

00:28:55.880 or what

00:28:56.260 are you?

00:28:57.780 I'm a

00:28:58.340 public

00:28:58.600 defendant.

00:28:59.480 I work

00:28:59.880 for the

00:29:00.180 state bar

00:29:00.660 here in

00:29:02.300 Massachusetts.

00:29:02.980 In

00:29:03.100 Massachusetts.

00:29:03.760 Okay.

00:29:04.220 Where'd you

00:29:04.480 go to law

00:29:05.160 school?

00:29:05.480 I'm a lawyer

00:29:05.860 too.

00:29:07.520 I went

00:29:07.900 to school

00:29:08.500 in New

00:29:08.780 York,

00:29:09.160 John J.

00:29:09.600 Law.

00:29:10.720 Oh,

00:29:10.940 really?

00:29:11.340 What year

00:29:13.440 I'm

00:29:16.620 sorry?

00:29:17.520 73.

00:29:19.240 You

00:29:19.600 graduated

00:29:19.940 law school

00:29:20.320 in 73?

00:29:20.840 You don't

00:29:21.020 sound that

00:29:21.400 old.

00:29:24.760 Oh,

00:29:25.200 yeah.

00:29:25.600 I am old.

00:29:26.120 Literally,

00:29:26.560 I graduated

00:29:26.940 law school

00:29:27.240 in 95,

00:29:27.980 so he would

00:29:28.280 be 22

00:29:29.540 years older

00:29:29.960 than I.

00:29:30.600 Yeah,

00:29:30.800 I'm 87

00:29:31.500 and a half

00:29:32.080 years old.

00:29:32.620 Seriously,

00:29:33.120 I mean,

00:29:33.280 at that point,

00:29:33.800 that would

00:29:34.020 have made

00:29:34.220 him in

00:29:34.560 his mid-70s.

00:29:35.720 He does

00:29:36.280 not sound

00:29:36.780 like he's

00:29:37.020 in his

00:29:37.220 mid-70s.

00:29:37.680 And he's

00:29:38.020 a public

00:29:38.340 defender

00:29:38.780 in his

00:29:39.120 mid-70s.

00:29:39.920 So why

00:29:40.280 did he

00:29:40.540 say that?

00:29:41.220 Why

00:29:41.360 did he

00:29:41.600 say he

00:29:42.140 was a

00:29:42.420 73?

00:29:43.440 In my

00:29:44.080 opinion,

00:29:44.520 you have

00:29:44.940 his mind

00:29:45.600 racing so

00:29:46.660 much,

00:29:47.560 right?

00:29:48.260 That was

00:29:48.660 the first

00:29:49.000 number that

00:29:49.460 flew out

00:29:49.980 of his

00:29:50.200 mind.

00:29:50.620 So I

00:29:50.940 think it's

00:29:51.320 because he

00:29:51.860 knew,

00:29:52.360 like,

00:29:52.560 he was

00:29:52.800 worried I

00:29:53.640 might have

00:29:53.920 gone to

00:29:54.240 John Jay.

00:29:55.260 And he

00:29:55.560 was like,

00:29:55.920 I can't

00:29:57.140 pick a year

00:29:57.840 anywhere.

00:29:58.700 I don't

00:29:58.900 know how

00:29:59.240 old she

00:29:59.760 is.

00:30:00.160 Right,

00:30:00.480 right.

00:30:00.840 You know,

00:30:01.100 because these

00:30:01.380 are small

00:30:01.780 law schools.

00:30:02.820 Right.

00:30:03.040 Right?

00:30:03.440 I mean,

00:30:04.140 73,

00:30:04.940 Jesus.

00:30:05.700 Yeah,

00:30:05.860 he went

00:30:06.120 big.

00:30:06.480 He had no

00:30:07.720 idea,

00:30:08.080 though.

00:30:08.240 He didn't

00:30:08.460 know how

00:30:08.760 old I

00:30:09.040 was.

00:30:09.480 That's

00:30:09.780 what I

00:30:10.000 think.

00:30:10.400 So the

00:30:10.700 other thing

00:30:11.240 is,

00:30:12.700 you know,

00:30:13.080 $17,000 is

00:30:15.200 a lot of

00:30:15.620 money.

00:30:16.600 And,

00:30:17.100 like,

00:30:18.180 what if I

00:30:18.480 don't get

00:30:18.760 it back?

00:30:21.460 What do you

00:30:22.000 mean?

00:30:22.800 You're supposed

00:30:23.400 to get it

00:30:23.800 back once the

00:30:24.460 case is

00:30:24.820 closed or

00:30:25.200 dismissed.

00:30:25.480 Once it's

00:30:27.080 closed or

00:30:27.540 dismissed?

00:30:29.240 Correct.

00:30:31.440 I mean,

00:30:32.080 I don't,

00:30:32.480 I gotta,

00:30:32.940 I gotta be

00:30:33.400 honest with

00:30:33.740 you.

00:30:33.880 Like,

00:30:34.260 I'm not

00:30:34.660 that close

00:30:35.080 with Diane.

00:30:35.940 I'm not,

00:30:36.360 I'm not

00:30:37.500 sure.

00:30:39.460 No problem.

00:30:42.380 You know,

00:30:42.980 it's a lot

00:30:43.320 of money.

00:30:46.520 That was

00:30:47.160 it.

00:30:47.800 You know,

00:30:48.300 on to the

00:30:49.200 next call,

00:30:49.980 on to the

00:30:50.440 next victim.

00:30:51.000 You say you

00:30:51.540 don't think I

00:30:51.880 hurt his

00:30:52.120 feelings?

00:30:52.540 You think he

00:30:52.800 was just

00:30:53.040 like,

00:30:53.300 cut my

00:30:53.480 losses by?

00:30:53.860 I cut

00:30:54.200 my,

00:30:54.520 cut my

00:30:54.960 losses by.

00:30:55.240 I kind

00:30:55.480 of hoped

00:30:55.820 I hurt

00:30:56.220 him a

00:30:56.460 little,

00:30:56.700 you know,

00:30:56.860 like,

00:30:57.020 aha,

00:30:57.340 I got

00:30:57.680 you.

00:30:57.940 You

00:30:58.120 didn't

00:30:58.440 even,

00:30:59.340 he didn't

00:31:00.100 miss a

00:31:00.540 step,

00:31:01.340 right?

00:31:01.900 You

00:31:02.300 became too

00:31:03.060 much of

00:31:03.400 an impediment

00:31:04.020 to him

00:31:04.500 and it's

00:31:05.400 on to

00:31:05.880 the easier

00:31:06.340 fish.

00:31:06.680 Think

00:31:06.860 about a

00:31:07.240 predator.

00:31:08.100 Wolves

00:31:08.280 go after

00:31:08.700 the weakest

00:31:09.180 sheep,

00:31:09.640 the slowest,

00:31:10.280 the oldest,

00:31:11.260 the ones

00:31:11.800 most vulnerable.

00:31:13.160 And just

00:31:13.400 to make a

00:31:13.820 point,

00:31:14.200 while we're

00:31:14.620 laughing here,

00:31:15.880 this is done

00:31:16.500 in various

00:31:17.140 machinations

00:31:17.820 every day.

00:31:19.580 Elderly

00:31:20.020 women who

00:31:20.560 are lonely,

00:31:21.700 you know,

00:31:22.040 the lonely

00:31:22.480 hearts club.

00:31:23.140 I've had,

00:31:24.920 you know,

00:31:25.140 through friends

00:31:25.600 and family,

00:31:26.240 I'd say

00:31:26.580 about a

00:31:26.940 baker's dozen

00:31:27.600 cases where

00:31:28.740 women in

00:31:29.300 their 60s

00:31:29.900 and 70s

00:31:30.660 have sold

00:31:31.520 their homes,

00:31:32.580 have taken

00:31:33.140 loans,

00:31:34.620 sent that

00:31:35.260 money,

00:31:36.460 knowing them

00:31:36.840 only a

00:31:37.260 week.

00:31:38.500 Loneliness

00:31:38.900 is a

00:31:39.360 son of a

00:31:39.700 bitch.

00:31:40.420 Having an

00:31:40.840 open heart

00:31:41.440 is a

00:31:42.200 son of a

00:31:42.560 bitch

00:31:42.880 in this

00:31:43.380 case.

00:31:44.180 So it's

00:31:44.540 a combination

00:31:44.940 of having

00:31:45.520 street smart

00:31:46.280 and cyber

00:31:47.240 sense.

00:31:48.020 When these

00:31:48.780 things come

00:31:49.260 in,

00:31:49.760 there's a

00:31:50.080 sense of

00:31:50.400 urgency

00:31:50.820 and you

00:31:51.640 want to

00:31:51.960 take care

00:31:52.440 of your

00:31:52.680 loved

00:31:52.980 one and

00:31:53.940 they'll

00:31:54.220 come up

00:31:54.580 with a

00:31:54.840 number and

00:31:55.600 what they

00:31:56.000 look at

00:31:56.500 is your

00:31:57.080 social media.

00:31:58.240 We've all

00:31:58.640 been guilty

00:31:59.140 of it,

00:31:59.580 some more

00:32:00.020 than others

00:32:00.520 where we

00:32:01.300 put everything

00:32:02.500 on the

00:32:03.040 internet.

00:32:04.260 You know,

00:32:04.980 and think

00:32:05.480 about pictures

00:32:06.000 in front of

00:32:06.440 your house.

00:32:07.560 I could spot

00:32:08.120 your address.

00:32:08.800 I'm not saying

00:32:09.100 you do that.

00:32:09.460 I never do

00:32:09.920 that.

00:32:10.260 I know that.

00:32:10.820 But so many

00:32:11.600 of us do.

00:32:12.640 Right?

00:32:13.140 So many

00:32:13.640 tells the

00:32:14.360 type of

00:32:14.740 car.

00:32:15.640 So for

00:32:16.260 the predator,

00:32:17.380 the cyber

00:32:18.040 predator,

00:32:18.940 they're

00:32:19.320 gathering,

00:32:20.000 whether it's

00:32:20.320 one person

00:32:20.980 or a

00:32:21.520 whole network

00:32:22.220 of people,

00:32:22.740 they'll

00:32:23.360 gather that

00:32:24.100 intel and

00:32:25.380 like, well,

00:32:26.100 only my

00:32:26.660 family would

00:32:27.320 know that.

00:32:27.920 Well, let's

00:32:28.580 talk about that

00:32:29.160 in this case

00:32:29.680 because that's

00:32:30.220 one of the

00:32:30.520 weirdnesses.

00:32:31.480 Jackie,

00:32:32.120 Doug's 87

00:32:32.700 year old

00:32:33.040 mother,

00:32:33.580 is not on

00:32:34.060 social media.

00:32:34.740 Right.

00:32:35.100 Nor is

00:32:35.740 Diane,

00:32:36.460 nor is

00:32:37.020 Brad,

00:32:38.020 neither one

00:32:38.540 of them.

00:32:38.860 So this

00:32:39.480 guy knew

00:32:41.060 clearly he

00:32:41.840 was targeting

00:32:42.280 an elderly

00:32:42.680 woman.

00:32:43.120 Right.

00:32:43.740 And he

00:32:44.140 at least

00:32:44.580 knew her

00:32:45.040 daughter's

00:32:45.460 name because

00:32:46.000 he had a

00:32:47.000 woman call

00:32:47.600 pretending to

00:32:48.420 be her and

00:32:48.760 said,

00:32:49.020 mom,

00:32:49.320 it's

00:32:49.460 die.

00:32:50.060 Right.

00:32:50.500 So like

00:32:51.400 how,

00:32:51.840 I don't even

00:32:52.800 know how you

00:32:53.300 figure that

00:32:53.700 out.

00:32:53.960 Could they

00:32:54.220 have flipped

00:32:54.600 it?

00:32:55.540 Could she

00:32:56.080 have touted

00:32:56.800 your sister-in-law,

00:32:58.280 correct?

00:32:58.500 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 Could she

00:32:59.420 have had

00:32:59.940 her mother,

00:33:01.220 you know,

00:33:02.320 online through

00:33:03.760 social media?

00:33:04.720 No.

00:33:05.040 At mom's

00:33:05.560 85th.

00:33:06.000 She's not

00:33:06.420 even out.

00:33:06.940 She's not

00:33:07.300 online at

00:33:07.900 all.

00:33:08.280 No,

00:33:08.460 your sister-in-law

00:33:09.060 isn't.

00:33:09.440 No.

00:33:10.280 Oh,

00:33:10.620 well,

00:33:10.840 you know

00:33:11.220 what?

00:33:11.460 Then it

00:33:11.840 may be

00:33:12.300 closer to

00:33:12.820 home than

00:33:13.240 we know.

00:33:14.220 You know,

00:33:14.600 most crimes,

00:33:16.040 like God

00:33:16.420 forbid,

00:33:17.040 anything would

00:33:17.600 ever happen

00:33:18.320 to this

00:33:18.980 home,

00:33:19.300 like whether

00:33:19.560 it be

00:33:19.840 burglary,

00:33:20.400 vandalism,

00:33:20.880 it's not

00:33:21.400 from someone

00:33:21.860 across the

00:33:22.300 country.

00:33:23.000 It's the

00:33:23.700 landscaper's

00:33:24.300 cousin.

00:33:24.680 It's

00:33:24.840 someone you

00:33:25.360 know one

00:33:26.400 or twice

00:33:26.880 removed.

00:33:28.120 Who are

00:33:28.320 you?

00:33:32.540 I'll bet

00:33:33.060 them,

00:33:33.220 don't

00:33:33.380 worry.

00:33:34.240 I'll bet

00:33:34.720 them.

00:33:35.620 Because that's

00:33:36.360 what's really

00:33:36.780 disturbing,

00:33:37.480 right?

00:33:37.660 They knew

00:33:38.420 some facts

00:33:39.120 about Jackie.

00:33:41.320 Just enough

00:33:41.820 to think it's

00:33:43.280 legit.

00:33:43.600 They knew

00:33:43.800 Diane was

00:33:44.400 in Cape Cod.

00:33:45.460 Right.

00:33:45.740 So,

00:33:46.160 I mean,

00:33:46.360 that's another

00:33:46.780 thing,

00:33:47.140 right?

00:33:47.400 Not online.

00:33:48.400 Right.

00:33:48.760 So it's

00:33:49.060 actually,

00:33:49.560 I have no

00:33:50.060 idea,

00:33:50.500 but you're

00:33:50.780 right.

00:33:51.040 Maybe it's

00:33:51.480 somebody who

00:33:51.900 somehow knew

00:33:52.500 the family.

00:33:53.400 Well,

00:33:53.640 that's the

00:33:53.920 only way.

00:33:54.520 It's either

00:33:55.140 one or two

00:33:56.580 people removed

00:33:57.400 or the

00:33:58.540 internet.

00:33:59.260 It's been

00:33:59.820 my experience

00:34:00.520 or someone

00:34:02.220 may have

00:34:02.640 reached out.

00:34:03.140 You know,

00:34:03.480 we don't

00:34:03.800 know what

00:34:04.100 we don't

00:34:04.420 know.

00:34:04.920 We don't

00:34:05.660 know if

00:34:06.520 your sister-in-law

00:34:07.240 had reached

00:34:07.780 out on some

00:34:08.740 service.

00:34:09.840 Or if they

00:34:10.380 called Jackie

00:34:11.080 earlier under a

00:34:12.420 different pretense

00:34:13.120 to do info

00:34:14.080 gathering.

00:34:14.300 Yes.

00:34:14.720 And they

00:34:15.020 gather it

00:34:15.540 and then

00:34:15.840 it's just

00:34:16.540 in the

00:34:16.940 conveyor belt

00:34:17.580 when their

00:34:18.260 time comes

00:34:18.760 up.

00:34:18.980 Okay,

00:34:19.120 we have

00:34:19.460 all this

00:34:19.760 information.

00:34:20.620 They're good

00:34:20.920 to go.

00:34:21.320 They're in the

00:34:21.680 hopper.

00:34:22.160 Let's go.

00:34:22.840 That's another

00:34:23.580 good warning.

00:34:24.800 Like if

00:34:25.120 somebody calls,

00:34:26.100 and I think

00:34:26.540 most younger

00:34:27.200 people know

00:34:27.740 this,

00:34:28.040 but especially

00:34:28.920 for our

00:34:29.380 older listeners,

00:34:29.960 if somebody

00:34:30.580 calls looking

00:34:31.600 for information,

00:34:32.860 asking personal

00:34:33.700 information about

00:34:34.220 your family

00:34:34.620 members,

00:34:35.460 names,

00:34:36.280 anything that

00:34:37.000 obviously people

00:34:37.860 know,

00:34:38.060 don't give your

00:34:38.440 social security

00:34:39.060 number.

00:34:39.340 They'll ask

00:34:39.840 everything,

00:34:40.560 you know,

00:34:40.740 these surveys.

00:34:41.780 And so like

00:34:42.160 I'll entertain

00:34:43.120 some of these

00:34:43.840 calls just to

00:34:45.000 see like,

00:34:45.580 you know,

00:34:46.020 where's this

00:34:46.620 going to go.

00:34:47.360 And they want

00:34:48.040 everything.

00:34:48.780 I go,

00:34:49.040 yeah,

00:34:49.240 none,

00:34:49.460 yeah,

00:34:50.300 none,

00:34:50.480 yeah,

00:34:50.700 effing business,

00:34:51.560 you know.

00:34:52.060 Called the wrong

00:34:52.520 guy.

00:34:54.220 Well,

00:34:54.820 I guess that's

00:34:56.660 true.

00:34:57.140 He must have

00:34:57.620 gotten it from

00:34:58.200 her or because

00:34:59.540 you said maybe

00:35:00.020 he's out of the

00:35:00.380 country.

00:35:00.960 I just feel like

00:35:01.820 he was an

00:35:02.160 American,

00:35:02.600 but that doesn't

00:35:03.140 mean he wasn't

00:35:03.560 sitting there in

00:35:04.060 India making

00:35:04.540 these calls.

00:35:06.580 I don't know

00:35:07.200 if he was close

00:35:07.740 to them or not,

00:35:08.300 but that I

00:35:08.800 hadn't considered

00:35:09.360 that he had

00:35:09.840 already done

00:35:10.440 research potentially

00:35:11.280 on Jackie because

00:35:12.240 she wasn't that

00:35:13.060 savvy to this prior

00:35:14.180 to this whole

00:35:14.780 event.

00:35:15.860 Yes.

00:35:16.260 All right,

00:35:16.420 let's speak about

00:35:17.220 the how elaborate

00:35:18.660 this was.

00:35:21.100 You know,

00:35:21.620 there was a

00:35:22.220 article,

00:35:22.900 I think it was

00:35:23.220 the Forbes

00:35:23.880 business columnist

00:35:24.860 recently who did

00:35:26.060 this whole article

00:35:27.000 about how she'd

00:35:27.540 been defrauded

00:35:28.020 out of $85,000

00:35:29.560 cash.

00:35:30.300 She put it in

00:35:30.900 a shoebox over

00:35:32.440 just the course

00:35:33.020 of eight hours.

00:35:33.660 This guy convinced

00:35:34.300 her to do it.

00:35:35.340 And this is a

00:35:35.960 financial columnist.

00:35:37.100 So, you know,

00:35:37.500 relatively sophisticated

00:35:38.840 but gave up the

00:35:39.840 dough.

00:35:40.420 And he too had

00:35:41.660 multiple people

00:35:42.380 working with him

00:35:43.180 on the fraud.

00:35:44.140 This guy, I think,

00:35:45.220 had at least two

00:35:45.760 others.

00:35:46.740 He had a fake

00:35:47.840 courthouse number.

00:35:49.040 He had hold music

00:35:50.240 that he told us.

00:35:51.420 That tells me it's

00:35:52.700 more than a one-man

00:35:53.480 band.

00:35:54.540 Like, let's just,

00:35:55.440 like, as a sort

00:35:57.180 of an example

00:35:57.740 is this show.

00:35:59.980 You're at the top

00:36:00.920 of the masthead,

00:36:01.840 but there's a whole

00:36:02.560 infrastructure behind

00:36:03.840 that beautiful face.

00:36:05.040 What's going on?

00:36:06.400 You bring your game,

00:36:07.380 but you have your

00:36:08.000 people, your producers,

00:36:09.120 your bookers,

00:36:09.640 your everything.

00:36:10.800 And to the viewer,

00:36:11.820 it seems so seamless,

00:36:13.260 but there's a lot

00:36:14.180 to make it happen.

00:36:15.440 Same things with

00:36:16.340 these confidence people.

00:36:17.420 They're gathering

00:36:17.920 information.

00:36:18.580 Instead of producers,

00:36:20.020 they may have

00:36:20.660 researchers gathering

00:36:22.340 backstory.

00:36:23.440 Instead of celebrities

00:36:24.560 or politicians,

00:36:25.700 they're gathering it

00:36:26.720 on everyday people.

00:36:28.260 They could do an easy,

00:36:29.500 you know,

00:36:30.000 journeyman's financial

00:36:32.080 assessment.

00:36:33.540 You know,

00:36:33.820 is that house paid for?

00:36:35.560 Do they, how many,

00:36:36.280 what's the type of

00:36:37.020 cars do they have?

00:36:38.240 Do they have that

00:36:39.180 discretionary cash?

00:36:40.600 Or are they alone?

00:36:41.900 Are they desperate enough?

00:36:43.380 Do they have family?

00:36:44.760 These are all the

00:36:45.780 stress points,

00:36:46.900 if you will,

00:36:47.540 that these confidence men,

00:36:49.240 that these teams

00:36:50.140 will look at

00:36:51.140 and they use psychology.

00:36:53.480 They, listen,

00:36:54.100 it happened to me

00:36:55.200 and I'm in the business.

00:36:56.820 I was on my,

00:36:57.420 in a different form.

00:36:58.300 I'm on my computer.

00:36:59.480 My computer got hacked

00:37:00.860 and I was so desperate.

00:37:02.620 I didn't want them

00:37:03.200 getting my shit.

00:37:04.100 Yeah.

00:37:04.400 So I'm on it.

00:37:05.480 And a little voice,

00:37:07.320 I called up Andy,

00:37:09.000 the guy we use,

00:37:10.340 you know,

00:37:10.640 that's helped you

00:37:11.140 in the past.

00:37:12.020 And Andy's like,

00:37:13.560 discontinue right now.

00:37:14.920 I'm like,

00:37:15.420 but I'm going to lose my,

00:37:16.340 he goes,

00:37:16.880 I'm fucking telling you,

00:37:18.800 get off.

00:37:19.540 And I was that old granny.

00:37:21.400 Yeah.

00:37:21.900 Right about to give away

00:37:22.940 all my shit.

00:37:23.720 Oh, it's terrifying.

00:37:24.420 So there is no socioeconomic

00:37:26.500 intelligence quotient

00:37:28.200 that makes you immune.

00:37:29.960 It's been my experience.

00:37:31.060 Sometimes the smarter you are,

00:37:33.880 you know,

00:37:34.300 you're so confident

00:37:35.300 in who you are.

00:37:36.580 Oh, this would never happen to me.

00:37:37.680 I would be able

00:37:38.300 to disseminate the BS.

00:37:39.640 Yes.

00:37:39.960 And they hit that pay button

00:37:41.140 sooner than

00:37:41.940 someone from the street.

00:37:43.300 Well, we love the piece

00:37:44.240 of the story

00:37:44.760 that ultimately

00:37:45.580 it was the Cape Cod

00:37:47.000 whaling guy

00:37:48.060 who was like,

00:37:49.180 I'm going by their house.

00:37:51.760 I don't know

00:37:52.420 what these people are saying.

00:37:53.960 And he,

00:37:54.580 he figured it out.

00:37:55.560 He's the hero of the story.

00:37:56.980 10 for that.

00:37:57.780 Okay.

00:37:58.200 So what about

00:37:59.020 the targeting of the elderly?

00:38:00.140 Because that does seem

00:38:01.620 to be a theme

00:38:02.240 in a lot of these.

00:38:02.980 Yes.

00:38:03.560 Yes.

00:38:03.860 What they'll do

00:38:04.720 again,

00:38:05.540 they go on

00:38:06.860 people's nature

00:38:08.440 or that they could

00:38:09.520 lose their home.

00:38:10.500 But how do they find out

00:38:11.420 who's elderly

00:38:12.340 and how to call them?

00:38:13.480 Like,

00:38:13.620 do they get a sponsorship

00:38:15.100 from the AARP

00:38:16.240 or one of those magazines

00:38:17.160 not to bash the AARP?

00:38:18.260 But I'm just saying like,

00:38:19.060 is there a way of getting

00:38:20.200 people's numbers

00:38:21.820 who are old?

00:38:23.420 Yeah.

00:38:23.660 Well,

00:38:23.920 you can go,

00:38:25.080 there are services

00:38:27.040 where you can get

00:38:28.220 demographics of people.

00:38:29.820 So like my house

00:38:31.020 was up for sale

00:38:31.800 like you,

00:38:33.060 mass exodus

00:38:33.700 out of New York.

00:38:34.700 And I had

00:38:36.020 all these people

00:38:36.700 like how the F

00:38:37.560 do you know?

00:38:38.240 How do you have

00:38:38.660 my cell number?

00:38:39.380 Number one,

00:38:40.300 right?

00:38:40.600 And how do you know

00:38:41.120 my house is for sale?

00:38:42.540 Oh,

00:38:42.760 we'll pay cash.

00:38:43.920 Oh,

00:38:44.260 can I show your house?

00:38:45.480 Because there are services

00:38:46.640 that you pay into

00:38:47.660 and you get

00:38:48.560 certain demographics.

00:38:50.240 So for me,

00:38:51.220 I'm selling my house.

00:38:52.380 There are elderly groups.

00:38:53.420 If she ever

00:38:54.040 signed on

00:38:55.220 to any

00:38:56.120 AARP

00:38:57.480 or some type

00:38:58.600 of association,

00:39:00.360 those lots

00:39:01.360 of,

00:39:02.600 you know,

00:39:03.320 the intelligence gathering

00:39:04.500 of who you are,

00:39:05.460 what you are,

00:39:06.180 what demographic you are,

00:39:07.720 the same way

00:39:08.200 advertisers buy that.

00:39:09.800 And voters,

00:39:10.340 like the campaigns.

00:39:11.200 Yes.

00:39:11.700 The campaigns are getting

00:39:12.740 all that information

00:39:13.640 right now.

00:39:14.100 The same way,

00:39:14.860 you know,

00:39:15.660 certain demographics

00:39:16.360 want that information

00:39:17.420 for sales,

00:39:18.560 they get it for marks

00:39:19.780 to mark you

00:39:21.040 as a victim.

00:39:21.820 It's amazing how much

00:39:21.900 they can find out

00:39:22.700 about us now.

00:39:23.180 And it's scary

00:39:23.900 and it's the basic psychology.

00:39:26.180 You see,

00:39:26.580 when we're in our home,

00:39:27.520 you're an old elderly lady,

00:39:29.040 you may be widowed,

00:39:30.300 you're all alone

00:39:31.060 and your primary thing

00:39:32.340 is to go to the market

00:39:33.280 to get that sale

00:39:34.260 and come home.

00:39:35.280 You're hit out of the blue.

00:39:36.800 That's Jackie.

00:39:37.140 You're hit out of the blue

00:39:38.380 with a member

00:39:39.260 of your family

00:39:40.000 that's in distress

00:39:41.060 and you could hit

00:39:42.780 that button

00:39:43.380 and you're going

00:39:43.960 to be walked through it

00:39:44.900 to get them

00:39:45.760 out of trouble.

00:39:46.760 That's what you live for

00:39:47.860 and they know that.

00:39:49.600 There are so many people

00:39:50.660 who are in this exact position

00:39:52.000 right now

00:39:52.520 and it's like,

00:39:53.520 I think my audience

00:39:54.620 is in generally,

00:39:55.700 in general,

00:39:56.440 they're a lot younger

00:39:57.040 than 87.

00:39:57.500 So I urge everybody,

00:39:59.340 speak to your parent,

00:40:00.480 speak to your great aunt,

00:40:01.500 speak to anybody

00:40:02.280 who's in this age group

00:40:03.620 and speak to your friends too

00:40:04.640 because it's not just the elderly

00:40:05.800 and let them know

00:40:07.160 that this is out there,

00:40:09.480 this kind of thing.

00:40:10.680 Whether it's this particular one,

00:40:13.120 whether it's

00:40:13.700 they hack into your computer,

00:40:15.580 whether you're on

00:40:16.500 one of those dating sites,

00:40:18.260 they go to the basic emotion

00:40:19.960 and need

00:40:20.620 and insecurity of people

00:40:22.020 and just realize,

00:40:23.940 take that breath,

00:40:25.160 take a step back

00:40:26.140 because nothing is,

00:40:27.860 unless you're in a car crash

00:40:29.040 where you have to hit that brake,

00:40:30.780 you know,

00:40:31.460 hit the brake in your mind,

00:40:33.000 hit that cyber brake,

00:40:34.160 hit that telephone brake

00:40:35.300 and ask questions

00:40:36.780 and say,

00:40:37.720 give me a number,

00:40:38.440 let me get back to you.

00:40:39.620 It can wait 10 minutes

00:40:40.880 and that could save you

00:40:42.200 a whole bunch of money,

00:40:42.960 a whole bunch of money.

00:40:43.420 And I will say

00:40:44.260 in that fraud

00:40:45.100 that I mentioned

00:40:45.740 that the business reporter

00:40:47.240 wrote up about

00:40:47.900 that happened to her

00:40:48.640 and in this attempted fraud

00:40:50.160 of us,

00:40:51.420 one of the things

00:40:53.040 that she didn't do

00:40:54.160 and that we didn't do

00:40:55.640 and should have done

00:40:56.460 was to do

00:40:58.300 an independent Google search

00:40:59.620 of the number

00:41:00.260 of the courthouse

00:41:01.080 or in her case,

00:41:01.900 I don't remember

00:41:02.360 that it was like that.

00:41:03.080 She said,

00:41:03.500 they said she was getting

00:41:04.500 investigated

00:41:05.720 by the federal government,

00:41:06.580 but whoever they say

00:41:08.220 is the third party.

00:41:10.500 Right.

00:41:11.080 Just hang up

00:41:11.900 and do a Google search.

00:41:13.180 Don't call their number.

00:41:14.580 Call,

00:41:14.960 you find out the number.

00:41:16.160 Right.

00:41:16.600 You make an independent call

00:41:17.740 to see if this is real.

00:41:18.980 Now.

00:41:19.340 And get the fraudster's number

00:41:20.380 so you can then call them back.

00:41:21.100 And go one step further

00:41:22.140 because there are apps

00:41:23.380 I can call you

00:41:25.140 and it looks like

00:41:26.300 it's coming from Doug's number.

00:41:28.420 Yeah.

00:41:28.980 That technology exists out there.

00:41:31.220 That's rudimentary.

00:41:32.180 What?

00:41:32.320 Yes.

00:41:32.680 I can call you right now

00:41:34.360 and it would ring Doug's number

00:41:35.940 and you would answer.

00:41:37.360 Whoa.

00:41:37.880 So there are different levels

00:41:39.300 to this.

00:41:40.360 And,

00:41:40.920 you know,

00:41:41.740 but if I'm dialing out,

00:41:42.860 I mean,

00:41:42.980 like that's,

00:41:43.460 that's the empowerment

00:41:44.240 is if you are dialing out

00:41:46.100 on your phone

00:41:47.420 to the Barnstable courthouse.

00:41:49.180 Right.

00:41:49.700 Right.

00:41:49.860 Like I had Amazon,

00:41:51.200 I had an Amazon scam

00:41:52.820 and it was online.

00:41:54.340 It came over a text.

00:41:55.740 Right.

00:41:56.180 You know,

00:41:56.440 did you charge this on Amazon?

00:41:59.460 Click here.

00:42:01.380 Fuck that.

00:42:02.340 I got on the phone

00:42:03.100 with Amazon direct,

00:42:04.820 you know,

00:42:05.560 and I'm like,

00:42:06.040 is this what you do?

00:42:06.980 They go,

00:42:07.440 absolutely not.

00:42:08.440 Oh,

00:42:08.780 they go,

00:42:09.100 I go,

00:42:09.560 is this a thing?

00:42:10.180 They go,

00:42:10.500 that's a thing.

00:42:11.720 Don't you get,

00:42:12.480 I get attempted frauds

00:42:13.620 at me every day

00:42:14.420 via email.

00:42:15.140 Like on this.

00:42:16.100 It's like,

00:42:16.920 I usually just forward them

00:42:18.340 to Abby

00:42:18.720 and she deals with it.

00:42:19.760 Right.

00:42:19.860 Or like the scams

00:42:20.660 and she puts these

00:42:21.560 major blockers

00:42:22.580 on my phone.

00:42:23.040 Spam it.

00:42:23.740 But it's amazing

00:42:25.180 because most people

00:42:26.020 don't have an Abby

00:42:26.800 and most people

00:42:27.800 haven't had this happen

00:42:28.720 to them

00:42:29.020 and they're not living

00:42:29.680 on guard.

00:42:30.420 They're actually still

00:42:31.060 trusting,

00:42:31.720 loving people.

00:42:32.400 Right.

00:42:32.780 Unlike us cynical bastards.

00:42:35.880 And even as cynical

00:42:36.820 as we are,

00:42:37.340 we always got taken in.

00:42:39.300 Let me tell you,

00:42:40.140 it's,

00:42:40.480 listen,

00:42:41.600 essentially,

00:42:42.900 we're good people.

00:42:43.840 We care about people.

00:42:45.540 But F that.

00:42:46.640 Like I had a lady,

00:42:47.440 I was in Midtown.

00:42:49.060 This was a number

00:42:49.740 of years ago.

00:42:51.120 Middle-aged,

00:42:51.980 well-dressed woman.

00:42:53.120 And she hit me

00:42:53.920 with the gasoline

00:42:54.860 on my car.

00:42:57.180 And I was fascinated

00:42:58.860 that this woman

00:43:00.560 was well-dressed,

00:43:02.320 well-spoken,

00:43:03.040 and she's hitting me up.

00:43:04.680 I said,

00:43:04.880 I'll walk you

00:43:05.300 to your car right now.

00:43:06.720 Oh,

00:43:06.940 I really get,

00:43:07.440 and then she just

00:43:08.040 walked away.

00:43:08.960 So they pray,

00:43:10.360 you know,

00:43:11.060 upon your good nature.

00:43:12.400 And again,

00:43:13.420 you know,

00:43:14.100 many people

00:43:15.260 haven't been raised

00:43:16.380 from the streets,

00:43:17.580 you know,

00:43:17.920 but it's incumbent

00:43:18.680 to have those street smarts.

00:43:20.280 Yeah.

00:43:20.740 And bad guys

00:43:21.800 don't necessarily

00:43:22.840 dress up like

00:43:23.880 in the old Batman

00:43:24.680 bad guy t-shirt.

00:43:26.220 No.

00:43:26.500 Now it's on the internet

00:43:27.960 and the cyber world

00:43:29.220 is a whole other animal.

00:43:30.580 And just remember,

00:43:31.620 always press the brakes

00:43:32.600 and question,

00:43:33.600 question,

00:43:33.960 question.

00:43:34.180 Yes.

00:43:34.540 You're not surprised

00:43:35.120 the cops weren't interested.

00:43:37.140 That's how they get away

00:43:38.140 with it though.

00:43:39.500 It's low level.

00:43:40.920 It's low on their priority list.

00:43:42.820 You know,

00:43:43.460 many police departments

00:43:44.780 aren't sophisticated

00:43:46.020 in tracking this down.

00:43:47.560 It's more an FBI issue.

00:43:49.440 Yeah.

00:43:49.860 Actually.

00:43:50.400 And this crossed state lines.

00:43:51.700 Right.

00:43:52.000 You know,

00:43:52.280 that's why it's more

00:43:53.040 of an FBI issue.

00:43:54.360 And we know,

00:43:55.560 you know,

00:43:55.920 they have their own problems.

00:43:56.940 I had all my evidence.

00:43:58.020 I had his number.

00:43:59.220 I had the court number.

00:44:01.100 Let me tell you something.

00:44:02.520 You are turning out.

00:44:03.660 This is,

00:44:04.160 this was actually

00:44:04.660 your first undercover.

00:44:06.180 We've done another undercover.

00:44:07.460 We've done an undercover since then.

00:44:09.000 You are,

00:44:09.320 you are proving to be quite,

00:44:10.800 you know,

00:44:10.960 I thought my initials were BS.

00:44:12.540 You're getting very good at this,

00:44:14.020 Megan Kelly.

00:44:14.780 You're getting a little bit too good.

00:44:16.440 I do love,

00:44:17.380 I mean,

00:44:17.680 like the elderly,

00:44:18.640 I love my Matlock.

00:44:19.960 I love my Jessica,

00:44:21.300 the murder she wrote.

00:44:22.360 I aspire to great things.

00:44:23.980 Bill Stanton,

00:44:24.480 thank you.

00:44:25.240 10-4.

00:44:25.740 Thank you for having me.

00:44:26.460 Thanks to my family,

00:44:29.780 Doug,

00:44:30.500 Di and Brad,

00:44:31.420 my mother-in-law,

00:44:32.100 Jackie.

00:44:32.540 Thanks to Steve

00:44:33.420 for helping us bring this story to you.

00:44:35.820 I mean,

00:44:36.200 can you believe this?

00:44:37.240 Like,

00:44:37.740 isn't that a nuts story?

00:44:39.420 It's cray-cray.

00:44:41.100 And honestly,

00:44:41.860 Doug and I have had so many conversations about it.

00:44:43.520 I remember we had dinner

00:44:44.480 with all these friends.

00:44:46.260 It was still the COVID lockdowns

00:44:47.500 and we sneaked a dinner,

00:44:49.440 not sorry to tell you,

00:44:50.920 at our apartment

00:44:51.740 because crazy Andrew Cuomo

00:44:52.960 was still trying to tell us

00:44:53.820 we weren't allowed to do that kind of thing.

00:44:54.940 And we told our friends this story that night

00:44:57.380 and everyone was riveted, right?

00:44:59.680 Because no one could believe this crap.

00:45:01.640 And I know what you're thinking.

00:45:03.040 As soon as you hear crypto,

00:45:04.500 you're like,

00:45:05.220 wait a minute.

00:45:06.260 And we too were like,

00:45:07.820 what?

00:45:08.840 But it was just the COVID weirdness,

00:45:11.480 the fact that we had spoken with the court,

00:45:14.220 we thought,

00:45:15.060 ourselves,

00:45:15.940 and the fact that we hadn't yet even thought

00:45:19.940 to question Jackie's telling us

00:45:22.860 that she had spoken with Diane herself

00:45:25.100 and that she was really in trouble.

00:45:27.520 Like that didn't even enter our minds

00:45:29.840 that that piece of the story might not be true.

00:45:32.900 So anyway,

00:45:34.500 words of caution in this story for everyone.

00:45:38.300 And honestly,

00:45:39.020 you need to know this, right?

00:45:40.520 Because what if this happened to your mom or you?

00:45:44.740 And now you'll know.

00:45:46.500 If we hadn't told the story,

00:45:48.280 you might not know.

00:45:49.300 Maybe you would be hoodwinked.

00:45:50.380 I don't know.

00:45:51.280 It can happen.

00:45:52.140 Trust me.

00:45:53.560 So we decided to tell you the story,

00:45:55.080 even though we knew you might mock us a little,

00:45:57.480 because we want to help others.

00:45:59.180 And we learned a lot too ourselves.

00:46:01.080 I think all of us did.

00:46:02.120 Hope all of you learned something from today's show

00:46:04.840 and from Fraud Week all week.

00:46:08.220 Because sadly,

00:46:08.980 there are fraudsters out there

00:46:10.740 working hard every day

00:46:12.480 to steal your money

00:46:13.740 or something precious.

00:46:15.540 And most of these never see the light of day, right?

00:46:17.800 They just happen privately

00:46:18.760 because people are too embarrassed

00:46:19.940 to talk about it or scared.

00:46:21.940 Yeah, they're humiliated.

00:46:23.420 And I get it,

00:46:24.060 but there's no reason to be humiliated.

00:46:25.580 If you get defrauded by one of these losers

00:46:27.820 or almost defrauded in our case,

00:46:29.340 what does it say about you?

00:46:30.220 It says you believe in human nature.

00:46:32.380 You believe in others.

00:46:33.640 You probably have a kind heart.

00:46:35.260 You're probably a trusting soul.

00:46:37.220 Those are not bad things, right?

00:46:39.080 But slightly jaded,

00:46:40.780 trusting soul,

00:46:41.440 but slightly jaded.

00:46:42.520 I think that's what we're going for.

00:46:43.640 So that's why we shared

00:46:45.340 and that's why we hope

00:46:46.660 everybody listens and shares

00:46:48.320 and talks about these kinds of things

00:46:50.200 more and more

00:46:50.880 so we can help each other.

00:46:52.140 All right.

00:46:52.540 I love to hear from all of you.

00:46:53.900 Do you have a fraud story?

00:46:55.380 Have you been inspired or helped

00:46:57.280 by our Fraud Week week?

00:47:00.420 Email me at megan,

00:47:01.720 M-E-G-Y-N

00:47:02.800 at megankelly.com.

00:47:04.980 I'll definitely be reading.

00:47:05.940 We do read the emails.

00:47:07.360 I see them every week

00:47:08.300 and I love going through them.

00:47:09.560 I read them on Mondays.

00:47:10.500 We get them collected

00:47:11.060 from the week before

00:47:11.900 and there's nothing quite like

00:47:13.160 hearing from all of you.

00:47:14.200 So would love for you to email me.

00:47:16.140 For now,

00:47:16.900 my family and I are off next week

00:47:19.280 on a family vacay,

00:47:20.840 but we are back live

00:47:22.660 on June 24th

00:47:24.960 and there's going to be plenty

00:47:25.980 to do that week

00:47:26.880 as there should be

00:47:28.880 the first presidential debate

00:47:31.320 of the 2024 election contest.

00:47:34.720 See you then.

00:47:39.900 Thanks for listening

00:47:40.780 to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:47:41.900 No BS,

00:47:42.880 no agenda,

00:47:43.800 and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - June 14, 2024

Fraud Week： Megyn Kelly Reveals Personal Story of a Scam in Her Own Life Involving Her Family ｜ Ep. 818

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