The Megyn Kelly Show - September 02, 2026


Jury Intimidation at Lindsay Clancy Trial, and Tyler Robinson's Lawyer LIES About Charlie Kirk Being ＂Hateful＂ ｜ Ep. 1390


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00:00:57.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:01:09.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Wednesday.
00:01:13.000 We are still on verdict watch in the Lindsey Clancy trial. Yesterday, Judge William Sullivan
00:01:19.080 ordering the jury to keep deliberating after they said they were deadlocked, and they are still
00:01:25.220 going as of this moment, though there was some drama in court this morning. We'll bring you the
00:01:31.740 updates, substantive updates, that is, from the jury as we get them. But wait until you hear what
00:01:36.900 happened outside of court yesterday, and then there was a follow-up this morning. At approximately
00:01:41.420 3.40 p.m., as the jury was exiting the courthouse, they asked if they could leave at 3.30 and they
00:01:47.180 were given permission. Massachusetts State Police arrested a 56-year-old retired nurse
00:01:53.820 named Dawn Light for allegedly filming jurors. She was arraigned today for the felony charge
00:02:02.500 of, quote, intimidation of witnesses, jurors, and persons furnishing information in connection
00:02:08.680 with criminal proceedings. We're looking at her now for the listening audience. She's
00:02:11.820 somewhat heavy set. She's got very bleach blonde hair. She looks like she's, well,
00:02:16.860 I think I just said she was late fifties. Um, she looks sort of apathetic here. Like everyone's
00:02:23.180 wasting her time. She's not sure why she's here. She's not, I don't know, on the larger side.
00:02:28.260 Can't tell how tall she is. And, um, the real question is what the hell was this woman doing
00:02:33.660 filming jurors? Well, we know a little bit more. First of all, this charge carries up to 20 years
00:02:40.020 in prison on a case like this where the potential penalty is life in prison. Normally, it's a 10-year
00:02:45.540 potential sentence. Here, it's up to 20. Now, I think that kind of a sentence is reserved for,
00:02:52.880 you know, nice puppy you have here. Shame if anything happened to it if, you know,
00:02:57.840 Mr. Buttafuoco was found guilty in this trial. It's kind of that situation. But filming jurors
00:03:05.180 is no small deal. This is actually very serious what she's accused of doing. Now, her attorney
00:03:11.780 says, oh, it's all just a huge misunderstanding that she was caught just trying to get a picture
00:03:17.880 of Lindsay Clancy. And then Light this morning pleaded not guilty and is due back in court next
00:03:25.320 month. Outside the courthouse, this woman was treated like she's a celebrity and appeared to
00:03:32.420 be loving it. Here's video posted by NewsNation's Brian Enten. Watch.
00:03:43.180 She's giggling. So, so fun to have basically shut the trial down and scared the jurors.
00:03:49.140 Ha ha ha. Laugh riot. They don't have enough pressure on them. Apparently,
00:03:53.920 Miss Light is a big true crime junkie. I mean, I think certainly I am. She'd certainly enjoy
00:03:58.700 our new series, MK Confidential, on the double life of Scott Peterson is doing very well.
00:04:03.660 Oh, my trusty team has actually pulled a clip from last night's episode two. Can I tell you,
00:04:08.880 I'm getting the greatest feedback on this particular series, but MK Confidential in
00:04:13.800 general. I love, love, love hearing from all of you. And there's obviously a lot of true crime,
00:04:18.560 true junkies like me in our audience. Here is the clip we pulled from last night's episode two of
00:04:27.260 our latest series on the double life of scott peterson here he is telling the story of the
00:04:32.020 christmas eve that lacy went missing scott's version and the version that the police say
00:04:38.720 really happened watch and then brokini tells scott what's bothering him an hour into the tape
00:04:45.560 what concerns me the most is the fact that your dog came home with a leash on that bothers me
00:04:52.280 I mean, no question.
00:04:56.060 Yeah.
00:04:57.800 What concerns me most is doing anything I can to further progress.
00:05:02.900 I appreciate that.
00:05:04.160 Burkini asks him where he wants to go.
00:05:07.400 Physically, Scott says, back to my home.
00:05:10.940 The polygraph is scheduled for the next afternoon, Christmas Day,
00:05:15.340 with an agent from the California Department of Justice coming by to assist.
00:05:19.640 At one o'clock, as detectives are waiting for him, they get a phone call.
00:05:25.080 Scott has changed his mind.
00:05:27.680 He says his father, Lee, told him taking a polygraph was not a good idea.
00:05:33.140 Scott Peterson will never take a police polygraph.
00:05:37.560 And we all know why.
00:05:40.480 Delving back into this case, I mean, it's been on my mind.
00:05:44.260 Like, Sarah was overdoing my hair this morning.
00:05:46.320 It was all she and I could talk about.
00:05:47.540 It's just, it's such a crazy case, and it's unbelievable that it's still ongoing.
00:05:53.080 He is still trying to get a new trial.
00:05:55.540 There was just a big ruling in April.
00:05:58.120 Just when you think you're done with this guy, he pops back up.
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00:07:00.400 you know it. Don't wait. Text MK to 989898. So she pleaded not guilty and Light claimed that she was
00:07:09.940 just trying to get a photo of Lindsay Clancy. As I said, here's what happened. People noticed her
00:07:14.400 in the restricted area because the jurors are brought in and brought out through this
00:07:18.760 special door and area, and they're trying to keep them the hell away from people like
00:07:23.680 Dawn Light for their own protection. And we don't have any entitlement to see, speak to,
00:07:31.060 much less harass the jurors. Truly, these people do have it hard enough. They're under a lot of
00:07:35.740 pressure. So she gets arrested, and apparently Dawn Light gave police her phone, and they didn't
00:07:43.200 see pictures of the jurors on there. So that would support her claim of innocence. But then
00:07:48.760 reportedly, they looked at her deleted photos on her phone and they did find a video of the jurors.
00:07:59.500 She pleaded not guilty, but that, I mean, that is not a good fact if they found a video of the
00:08:05.400 jurors on her phone. I mean, that's, this woman's in a shit ton of trouble right now. She's a
00:08:12.180 retired nurse, Connecticut insider. They cover Connecticut, but they've been heavily covering
00:08:18.600 the Clancy trial in Massachusetts, not too far away. They say that Light has insisted she was
00:08:25.400 not trying to intimidate anyone. And yet, and she says, just trying to get Lindsay Clancy as she
00:08:31.540 left the courthouse, quote, that's the long and the short of it. I don't know how I intimidated
00:08:34.700 at anyone. Well, here, I'll tell you, you apparently took video of the jurors as they
00:08:41.540 were exiting the courthouse, and it was found on your phone, and the jurors saw you. The jurors
00:08:49.740 felt intimidated. This is one of the ways we believe that the information got back to the court.
00:08:55.200 And now today, here's what happened. Judge William Sullivan opened court Wednesday by speaking
00:09:01.760 to all 18 jurors, there's 12 plus six alternates, individually. That's a big deal for the judge to
00:09:09.100 decide to sit down individually with each juror and reminding everyone about the order he has
00:09:14.460 written, protecting jurors, witnesses, and attorneys in this case after this woman's arrest.
00:09:21.680 Quote, I just want to remind everybody here and elsewhere that there's been an order that's been
00:09:28.080 issued in regards to the conducting of this case, as well as statutes in the Commonwealth,
00:09:34.140 which relate to jurors, witnesses, attorneys and others in this proceeding. And everybody should
00:09:40.940 be well aware that that order and that statute is being enforced and will be enforced. The 12
00:09:48.480 deliberating jurors and the six alternates then came to the bench one by one to speak to the judge
00:09:53.440 and the attorneys in the case, though the reporters in the room could not hear the actual
00:09:59.380 discussion. I mean, this is the judge trying to make sure no individual juror felt intimidated.
00:10:08.940 And I don't want to put the cart before the horse because we're going to get to this.
00:10:18.500 I'm trying to get my Scott Peterson episodes clear. It's either tomorrow night or Friday.
00:10:23.440 But there was an issue in that case with the foreman of the jury.
00:10:30.260 The foreman of the jury, when they were deliberating, actually went to the judge and said, I don't think I can be fair anymore.
00:10:39.400 I feel pressured and intimidated.
00:10:43.360 And I don't like I hear the chants outside and my fellow jurors are kind of threatening me.
00:10:49.120 and I'm not sure I can make a choice anymore
00:10:51.700 just based on the evidence in front of me.
00:10:53.720 And he was removed.
00:10:55.580 So this is extremely serious.
00:10:58.500 If you have jurors who are already saying
00:11:01.260 that they're hopelessly deadlocked,
00:11:02.580 so there's already a fight underway,
00:11:04.600 and now you have, you know,
00:11:06.600 the pink shirt brigade outside the courthouse,
00:11:10.760 obviously wanting a certain verdict from these jurors
00:11:14.260 when it comes to Lindsay Clancy's
00:11:16.040 alleged postpartum psychosis.
00:11:18.060 They're supporters of hers.
00:11:19.560 And then there's been another contingent supporting a guilty finding wearing white shirts, we were told.
00:11:25.680 Well, that confuses me because half the shirts in the world are white, so I'm not sure exactly how you'd do it.
00:11:30.840 But apparently they're doing it in a way that's identifiable.
00:11:34.760 And then on top of that, the jurors see this woman videotaping them.
00:11:39.260 And I have to tell you, I'm concerned that it appears she may have lied.
00:11:42.760 um why does she have a video of the jury on her phone and then told the judge she was just there
00:11:50.500 to get lindsey clancy by the way we all have video of lindsey clancy we see it every time
00:11:55.940 we take a shot inside of that court it's not hard to get video of lindsey clancy
00:12:00.500 so what was this woman actually doing there i'm not satisfied we're getting the straight skinny
00:12:05.780 you know this reminds me of um i'm not going to say the name because i don't know how the case
00:12:11.580 worked out, but a friend of mine had video. Maybe I've talked about this. I can't remember. In any
00:12:19.060 event, here's what happened. His ex-wife was with her kids at the beach and she saw an older man,
00:12:26.680 you know, he looked maybe 70, videotaping her young children. And I'm pretty sure we did talk
00:12:33.520 about this on the air. I just not a hundred percent. Anyway, she called the cops, got them
00:12:40.080 involved. And then her ex-husband, who we know, showed up at the guy's house. He didn't go on the
00:12:47.060 man's property, but he demanded to see the guy's phone. And the guy was like, oh, I'm deleting all
00:12:52.080 the photos of, you know, your children. It was inadvertent. I was just taking pictures of the
00:12:56.660 beach. Well, really? Then why did the pictures seem to be focused on, you know, children? But
00:13:00.940 he deleted everything. And the real question was, what was in the guy's deleted photo album?
00:13:09.520 Like, that's really where we needed to go, right?
00:13:12.780 And this woman too, like, what was in the deleted photos?
00:13:17.040 And why was she taking pictures of the jurors?
00:13:19.740 If it was inadvertent, why didn't she just say that?
00:13:23.440 And so we have to know more.
00:13:24.940 We have to know more about what her purpose was.
00:13:27.460 And I don't know that she's going to be getting jail time,
00:13:31.120 but I'd be fine with her getting jail time if, in fact,
00:13:35.160 she was there to intimidate any one of those jurors.
00:13:38.720 Okay, I want to keep going, because on this case, we talked yesterday about postpartum
00:13:44.620 depression and how for a lot of women, this has become the central theme of this trial.
00:13:50.560 You know, the medical system's not paying enough attention to it, and the court's not
00:13:53.560 taking it seriously enough, and you know, this damned prosecution that doesn't seem
00:13:59.260 to take it seriously.
00:14:00.580 And we mentioned Brooke Shields.
00:14:04.260 So do you guys remember when Brooke Shields came out publicly and talked about her postpartum?
00:14:09.960 It happened in 2003.
00:14:12.920 And, you know, I read a bunch about Brooke Shields recently because I, over the summer,
00:14:17.260 I read Andre Agassi's Open, and they were married, if you may recall.
00:14:23.880 And she's featured quite a bit in his memoir, which was written by the same guy who wrote
00:14:29.940 Prince Harry's memoir.
00:14:31.260 Great writer.
00:14:31.820 and I'll just suffice it to say
00:14:36.020 it was a mismatch between Agassi and Brooke Shields
00:14:39.340 even though he grew up obsessing over her
00:14:42.340 like most boys who are Gen Xers
00:14:44.280 and he was one of the most
00:14:46.420 if not the most accomplished tennis player in the world
00:14:48.780 at the time they fell in love
00:14:50.100 so they had extreme success in common
00:14:53.160 I think that's about all they had in common
00:14:55.220 and the way he writes about her in that book
00:14:57.320 he suggests, I don't know whether it's true
00:15:00.360 but he suggests Brooke was materialistic, rather shallow, kind of surface level, and
00:15:07.880 didn't have the heart and the soul of somebody that he could fall madly in love with. I think
00:15:12.960 he married her because she was Brooke Shields. So sorry if that's not right, but that's my takeaway.
00:15:19.100 So they got a divorce. He doesn't write the nicest things about her, although he tries to protect her
00:15:24.040 in some ways. Now he wound up married to Steffi Graff, the greatest female tennis player of all
00:15:28.220 time, and they're happily married and have two beautiful children. So Brooke Shields went on to
00:15:33.420 get married to somebody else, and she had her kids. And look, she's another person who was
00:15:39.280 a Hollywood child star who was totally over-sexualized by a disgusting, toxic industry.
00:15:47.940 Go look at Blue Lagoon, where she starred as this girl who'd been shipwrecked on this island with her cousin, and it's just the two of them.
00:16:02.560 He's a boy.
00:16:04.420 They come of age together, and they wind up having sex together.
00:16:08.160 She's running around without her shirt on the entire—she's only 15 when she's shooting this.
00:16:12.960 She was stunningly gorgeous.
00:16:14.440 I do think she was literally one of the most beautiful people on earth.
00:16:18.920 And of course, people wanted to pay to look at Brooke Shields, which is how she became
00:16:23.040 a successful model and actress.
00:16:24.680 But this level was so inappropriate for a 15-year-old girl and the adult themes of the
00:16:32.620 movie.
00:16:32.980 She was having sex with her cousin.
00:16:35.380 I believe it was the cousin in the movie.
00:16:38.900 They had a baby.
00:16:40.760 Anywho, then there was endless love.
00:16:43.040 I mean, Brooke Shields is completely over-sexualized in her modeling and her acting when she was young.
00:16:49.100 And you don't have to take my word for it.
00:16:50.560 She addresses it in a documentary she made about her life not long ago, which was very interesting.
00:16:56.040 Well, Brooke Shields had postpartum depression after she had her daughter in 2003.
00:17:01.580 And look, I'm not saying that there's no such thing as postpartum depression.
00:17:05.100 I'm just saying there are lots of reasons for Brooke Shields to run headfirst into the wall of depression.
00:17:12.760 She'd been through a lot.
00:17:14.640 All those things I just mentioned, a failed marriage to Andre Agassi, a lifetime of superficial
00:17:20.840 people that she'd been surrounded by in Hollywood, sexual exploitation from a very young and
00:17:27.400 tender age, and a mother who seemed very interested in riding that racehorse to, you know, fame
00:17:32.780 and wealth, in my opinion.
00:17:35.940 So she spoke out about it.
00:17:38.220 She wrote about it in her memoir.
00:17:39.820 And we actually pulled it. We actually pulled the part of the memoir when she describes this moment where she had the urge to drive her car into a wall while she was driving her daughter. Rowan Francis is the daughter's name. She was born in the spring of 2003. Let's take a listen.
00:18:01.620 But I started feeling like I no longer mattered.
00:18:04.660 I became more and more disoriented.
00:18:07.660 Once again, I felt awkward and began panicking.
00:18:10.660 This time, it had nothing to do with Rowan,
00:18:12.620 but instead had everything to do with how I felt about myself.
00:18:17.040 It felt physical, like I was about to get sick or faint.
00:18:21.080 I couldn't understand what was happening.
00:18:23.280 I had been doing so well.
00:18:25.520 My heart began to race, my hearing became muffled,
00:18:28.800 and I had to get out of there immediately.
00:18:32.580 I stood up and looked at my watch.
00:18:35.580 Scooping up the baby, I gathered our things and said quick goodbyes,
00:18:38.780 all the while pretending that I needed to get Rowan home and into bed
00:18:41.640 because it was getting late.
00:18:43.480 Walking quickly to my car, I began to cry.
00:18:46.880 I got the baby in the car seat and left the lot as soon as possible.
00:18:50.760 Then the tears flooded down.
00:18:53.480 I hit traffic on the drive home and started getting the terrible feeling
00:18:57.000 that I was going to ram the car into the wall on the side of the freeway.
00:19:01.840 The baby was in the back, and although I didn't think of hurting her,
00:19:04.940 I wanted to smash violently through the window myself.
00:19:08.980 Thank God the baby was in the car,
00:19:10.560 because this urge was so strong that I feared I would actually do it.
00:19:14.780 How ironic that she was saving me from hurting myself.
00:19:18.720 For a reason I can't explain, I called my mother.
00:19:21.460 Whatever my crazy reason for calling her first, I did,
00:19:24.120 and I scared the daylights out of her.
00:19:27.000 She tried calming me down and told me that these feelings were only temporary.
00:19:31.160 I hung up, leaving her desperately concerned.
00:19:34.840 Rowan and I finally got home.
00:19:36.900 I was shaking.
00:19:39.040 Okay, so Brooke Shields clearly had some issues around postpartum.
00:19:43.840 And she said, she wrote in her book that she took medication.
00:19:50.240 You heard some of it there.
00:19:51.480 She took medication, and then she stopped it, cold turkey, for her postpartum depression, but didn't tell her doctors or her husband.
00:19:59.600 She was on Paxil, and then she went back on Paxil after this incident.
00:20:04.040 So she was very brave to, you know, admit all of that because it did open a conversation about postpartum depression for women back in 2003.
00:20:14.720 And then, famously or infamously, depending on your POV, Tom Cruise went on the Today Show with Matt Lauer, and this happened.
00:20:26.900 Aren't there examples, and might not Brooke Shields be an example of someone who benefited from one of those drugs?
00:20:32.340 All it does is mask the problem, Matt.
00:20:34.980 And if you understand the history of it, it masks the problem.
00:20:38.180 That's what it does.
00:20:39.980 That's all it does.
00:20:41.820 You're not getting to the reason why.
00:20:43.620 There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance in a body.
00:20:47.000 So postpartum depression to you is kind of a little psychological gobbledygook?
00:20:52.420 No, no, I did not say that.
00:20:53.920 I'm just asking, what would you call it?
00:20:55.880 Matt, that is, now you're talking about two different things.
00:20:59.400 But that's what she went on the antidepressant for.
00:21:01.480 But what happens to the antidepressant, all it does is mask the problem.
00:21:04.520 There's ways of vitamins and through exercise and various things.
00:21:07.520 I'm not saying that that isn't real.
00:21:08.960 That's not what I'm saying.
00:21:09.740 That's an alteration of what I'm saying.
00:21:11.900 The thing that I'm saying about Brooke is that there's misinformation, okay?
00:21:16.600 And she doesn't understand the history of psychiatry.
00:21:19.740 She doesn't understand in the same way that you don't understand it, man.
00:21:23.260 But a little bit what you're saying, Tom, is you say you want people to do well,
00:21:26.660 but you want them to do well by taking the road that you approve of,
00:21:30.740 as opposed to a road that may work for them.
00:21:33.040 No.
00:21:34.140 No, I'm not.
00:21:35.400 Well, if antidepressants work for Brooke Shields, why isn't that okay?
00:21:39.660 I disagree with it.
00:21:41.900 And I think that there's a higher and better quality of life.
00:21:44.740 And I think that promoting, for me, personally,
00:21:46.860 see, you're saying what I can't discuss, what I want to discuss.
00:21:49.640 No, you absolutely can't.
00:21:50.900 But, Matt, you're going in and saying that I can't discuss that.
00:21:54.860 I'm only asking, isn't there a possibility,
00:21:56.880 do you examine the possibility that these things do work for some people?
00:22:01.360 That, yes, there are abuses.
00:22:03.060 And, yes, maybe they've gone too far in certain areas.
00:22:05.460 Maybe there are too many kids on Ritalin.
00:22:07.320 Maybe electric shock is...
00:22:08.400 Too many kids on Ritalin, Matt.
00:22:09.520 I'm just saying.
00:22:09.980 But aren't there examples where it works?
00:22:13.440 You don't even, you're glib.
00:22:15.220 You don't even know what Ritalin is.
00:22:19.320 So Tom Cruise got excoriated for that.
00:22:22.980 And I don't know about you, but it looks so different to me now.
00:22:27.480 I mean, we have over-medicated America.
00:22:31.720 You get an itch and they got a pill for that.
00:22:35.580 You know, they're talking about putting GLP-1s in six-year-olds.
00:22:39.980 And yes, ADHD medication can be useful in limited circumstances.
00:22:46.240 You heard Dr. Leonard Sachs talking about that last week, but they give out those pills
00:22:50.780 like they're candy and the mothers are stealing the kids' Ritalin and Adderall as like a mother's
00:22:57.000 little helper drug now.
00:22:59.340 And Dr. Sachs was talking about the long-term effects of those drugs on children.
00:23:03.920 You know, we have gotten so knee-jerk on the prescription pads that it's out of control.
00:23:14.020 And, you know, show me a school shooting that doesn't involve an SSRI.
00:23:20.120 Not saying that they're causing it, but they certainly don't seem to be preventing it.
00:23:23.780 And I do believe in many cases they are aggravating a person's symptoms.
00:23:29.740 I don't reject them as a tool that belongs in a psychiatrist's toolbox.
00:23:34.880 I argue that they are overprescribed and that in many people, they seem to have very adverse
00:23:40.700 consequences.
00:23:41.640 And then we just shrug our shoulders when these people do something horrible and we
00:23:47.980 never really talk about what role the drug may have played.
00:23:52.320 We only look at the mental illness.
00:23:54.180 I mean, this is one of the reasons why people don't want to see Lindsay Clancy convicted of first-degree murder.
00:24:02.580 I'm not one of them, as I've told you.
00:24:04.860 But I understand the people who are like, look at the drugs she was given.
00:24:08.660 Look at the fuller picture.
00:24:10.820 Because there's reason to believe that she wasn't criminally responsible.
00:24:14.700 Now, I believe the argument is she wasn't entirely responsible, that others had a hand in exacerbating her problems.
00:24:21.380 But the criminal law doesn't care about that.
00:24:23.500 You know, if I go to rob a bank and you drive me there, you're going down, too. I don't get excused just because you drove me. You're going down, too. So and there and there are civil suits against the medical care, the people who were purportedly responsible for Lindsay Clancy's medical care.
00:24:42.840 So, in any event, it's very interesting to listen to the argument now, as it's being
00:24:50.980 debated by jurors at this moment, 12.23 p.m. Eastern Time on September 2nd, in a Boston
00:24:57.640 or a Massachusetts jury deliberation room.
00:25:01.300 After the Tom Cruise exchange on the Today Show, a couple of things happened.
00:25:07.900 Brooke Shields wrote an op-ed dated July 1st, 2005 for the New York Times.
00:25:13.000 She said, she writes, I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but after Tom Cruise's interview
00:25:16.540 with Matt Lauer on the NBC show today, I feel compelled to speak, not just for myself, but
00:25:22.760 also for hundreds of thousands of women who have suffered from postpartum depression.
00:25:26.280 While Mr. Cruise says that Mr. Lauer and I do not understand the history of psychiatry,
00:25:31.220 I'm going to take a wild guess and say that Mr. Cruise has never suffered from postpartum
00:25:35.120 depression. It's caused by the hormonal shifts that occur after childbirth, during pregnancy,
00:25:40.500 a level of estrogen, progesterone. She gets into all that. She writes, after the baby was born,
00:25:46.540 I felt completely overwhelmed. This baby was a stranger to me. I didn't know what to do with
00:25:50.480 her. I didn't feel at all joyful. I attributed feelings of doom to simple fatigue and figured
00:25:56.520 that they would eventually go away, but they didn't. In fact, they got worse. I couldn't bear
00:26:01.380 the sound of Rowan crying, and I dreaded the moments my husband would bring her to me.
00:26:06.200 I wanted her to disappear. I wanted to disappear. At my lowest points, I thought of swallowing a
00:26:11.160 bottle of pills or jumping out the window of my apartment. I couldn't believe it when my doctor
00:26:16.100 told me that I was suffering from postpartum depression and gave me a prescription for
00:26:19.620 the antidepressant Paxil. I wasn't thrilled to be taking drugs. In fact, I prematurely stopped
00:26:25.720 taking them and had a relapse that almost led me to drive my car into a wall with Rowan in the
00:26:31.280 backseat. We played you the excerpt from her memoir. But the drugs, along with weekly therapy
00:26:36.380 sessions, are what saved me and my family. She goes on to write, and comments like those made
00:26:44.000 by Tom Cruise are a disservice to mothers everywhere. To suggest that I was wrong to
00:26:49.400 take drugs to deal with my depression and that instead I should have taken vitamins and exercised
00:26:53.980 shows an utter lack of understanding about postpartum depression and childbirth in general.
00:26:58.580 Okay, now I get it. I get why she's writing that. But it is also true that exercise is absolutely
00:27:08.420 a mood enhancer and can be an antidote to depression. Exercise, which gets endorphins
00:27:16.700 flowing, which actually can help mood and a feeling of well-being and actual well-being for
00:27:21.400 that matter. I don't argue it's the only thing that you should avoid an antidepressant at all
00:27:27.480 costs, although that certainly would be my plan if I found myself in this boat. But if you're
00:27:34.760 suffering, I think antidepressants in particular can be helpful if you are suffering an acute
00:27:38.940 psychological crisis. And postpartum depression can be that. It can be that. I mean, I think if
00:27:44.300 you get on them long-term as a mood enhancer, as a serotonin boost, as something that combats
00:27:50.520 depression, what happens is you get acclimated to the drug. They have to raise the prescription
00:27:55.440 and then they just move you to the next one. That's your life. It seems very dark to me.
00:28:02.520 Why must we be so hard on the possibility of exercise and vitamins and actually taking a
00:28:12.200 harder look at hormonal balance? These are some of the things being pushed right now by functional
00:28:16.940 medicine and rejected by more Western medicine. And I think a lot of us may be experiencing this
00:28:23.160 as we become more open-minded to functional medicine and then run it by our more Western
00:28:28.060 doctors, and they recoil in horror at what we're being advised by the functional docs.
00:28:35.920 So like this same debate is going on today, just under a different subject matter,
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00:30:21.760 I do want to point out that just because people like me believe Lindsay Clancy is guilty of murder,
00:30:27.300 first degree murder. That's what I would say if I were in there. Too much ordered thinking,
00:30:31.680 too much planning. She knew right from wrong. She knew what she was doing. I'm sorry that she was
00:30:36.420 mentally unwell and that she didn't get the help she needed. It doesn't excuse it. And let me give
00:30:42.380 you an example of how it doesn't excuse it. It may explain it, but it doesn't excuse it
00:30:48.280 in the eyes of the law. Let's go to Times Square, New York. All right. I mean, I was living in the
00:30:53.840 city for 17 years, up until a few years ago, not far from Times Square. We were on the Upper West
00:30:58.260 Side. And if you've ever been to Times Square and gone to a Broadway show, you've been exactly where
00:31:02.700 this happened, exactly where this happened. It was on, I think, 42nd, 43rd, and 7th or Broadway,
00:31:08.720 which is exactly where the theater district is. This woman who had been struggling with mental
00:31:17.840 health problems. And her brother has now gone on the record saying she had postpartum and bipolar,
00:31:25.640 exactly what we're hearing about Lindsay Clancy. And I'm not convinced he didn't just take that
00:31:29.920 from the Lindsay Clancy news coverage, but whatever, let's say it was real that that's
00:31:34.600 what this woman had suffered years ago, years and years ago. You know, postpartum is not something
00:31:38.740 that you have for years. That's one of the issues in the Lindsay Clancy trial is the prosecution's
00:31:43.840 witnesses were saying that it's something that you have for, for weeks, maybe a couple of months,
00:31:47.100 You don't have it for eight months after your baby's born.
00:31:50.320 There was some dispute about it, but you certainly don't have it for 20 years after like this
00:31:54.260 psycho in Times Square had, allegedly, according to the brother, but was also reportedly bipolar.
00:32:00.780 So another accusation that was made in the Lindsay Clancy claim that was made in her case.
00:32:06.180 So this woman puts a knife in, it looks like a red Target bag, went into the heart of Times
00:32:14.300 square and stabbed two people, a 68-year-old man who's recovering and a 32-year-old new mother
00:32:23.120 who is dead. It's the saddest story. Aaron Piacente is the victim. Look at her. She looks
00:32:34.060 so sweet. She looks so young. Here she is all smiles with her just below shoulder length,
00:32:40.860 auburn hair in her t-shirt and shorts at some sort of a party or event. She had everything
00:32:50.080 going for her. She had just gotten married not too long ago, I think two years ago,
00:32:55.600 and she had just gotten back from maternity leave. It was her first week back on the job,
00:33:03.860 four days before she was stabbed to death. She posted a photo of herself on social media
00:33:10.540 holding her newborn daughter and standing beaming next to her husband.
00:33:16.900 She wrote how grateful she was to have spent the past five months on maternity leave
00:33:21.860 and about how her daughter had recently been baptized.
00:33:27.340 What a waste.
00:33:30.000 What a waste.
00:33:31.080 This girl had everything going for her.
00:33:33.540 She had gone to the University of Pennsylvania, which is a great Ivy League school.
00:33:37.820 She wound up at Fordham Law.
00:33:40.540 And then she took a job at Bank of America.
00:33:44.520 And because she worked at Bank of America, some goons online have been celebrating her murder.
00:33:51.160 It's Luigi Mangione all over again.
00:33:53.900 This is an example of what we found over on Blue Sky, you know, the liberal ex.
00:34:01.360 She's a VP, not some dewy-eyed intern.
00:34:05.140 Her position is motive enough.
00:34:08.480 Another one.
00:34:09.720 Good work.
00:34:10.540 Another one. Finally, some good news. Another one. Excellent. More of this. Stand up against the greedy bottom feeders because she worked at Bank of America. Do you have any idea what she did at Bank of America? Maybe she was in human resources. Maybe she was enforcing your weird woke rules that you authoritarians have tried to force us all to live under for the past six years.
00:34:33.080 You have no idea what like the weird knee jerk instinct to condemn somebody who's working for the machine.
00:34:40.420 Fuck you. You know, these are losers hanging out in their parents' basements with shitty jobs, jealous of anybody who works hard and achieves a modicum of success.
00:34:51.500 The soullessness that you would have to exhibit to say something like that after a new mother whose baby daughter now has no mama is beyond.
00:35:05.100 This is not a person who's salvageable.
00:35:07.140 These people, multiple, we just pulled a couple examples.
00:35:09.940 They are not salvageable.
00:35:10.960 They are not people with whom we can deal or negotiate on the future of our country and political reform.
00:35:18.360 F off is the only appropriate response to them.
00:35:21.500 so this poor woman is now dead her grieving husband suddenly a widower and her baby has
00:35:30.860 no mother and will never know this mother will never know had no time with her had five months
00:35:37.260 with her and these are the types of things that make you question faith you know if you're a
00:35:42.520 faithful person and then we restore it but in the moment you just ask how how how how can a loving
00:35:49.240 God allow that? How can a loving God allow this baby to lose her mommy within five months of
00:35:55.540 birth? How can he take this woman away from her child within five, in such a stupid, pointless
00:36:01.980 way? This isn't somebody who donned a uniform and went and fought for the country. She was just
00:36:07.040 going to do her job. And she got stabbed to death by some freaking psychopath in Times Square who
00:36:13.360 appears to have had no motive other than her deranged mind and thinking. And now we got to
00:36:20.300 listen to the brother. I'm not blaming him, but talk to us about postpartum depression and bipolar.
00:36:26.660 By the way, the stabber's dead too, because then she turned the knife on cops who'd first tried
00:36:31.620 to tase her. It didn't work. There actually is a report in the New York Post this morning
00:36:35.840 suggesting it was her wide girth that made the tasers ineffective. She was a heavy lady
00:36:42.940 with a lot of fat on her body.
00:36:45.000 And the suggestion is that that somehow
00:36:47.180 made the tasers not have an effect.
00:36:51.420 And she was threatening the cops,
00:36:52.960 saying she was going to stab them.
00:36:54.540 And then they shot her and she's dead.
00:36:57.380 So we have two people dead.
00:37:00.440 One recovering, the 68-year-old Rhode Island man
00:37:03.660 is expected to recover.
00:37:05.680 And for what?
00:37:07.400 The history of this woman's mental health issues
00:37:10.820 appears to have been rather considerable. In December 2018, officers found her. Cisneros is
00:37:20.100 her last name. Pamela. Pamela Cisneros was the stabber. She had at least two previous encounters
00:37:27.360 with police. December 2018, officers found her screaming and belligerent on Lexington Avenue at
00:37:32.420 49th in Midtown and determined she was intoxicated, according to an internal police report obtained by
00:37:39.160 the New York Times. The other happened less than four months later on March 6, 2019, when she
00:37:45.080 attempted to jump in front of a southbound E-train on the Kew Gardens Union Turnpike subway station
00:37:52.220 in Queens. So she tried to take her own life and she had another incident where she was publicly
00:38:03.500 intoxicated. Look, we used to have institutions in New York. It used to be a thing that we would
00:38:08.020 we would do. And when you had somebody who you thought was a threat to society, as this woman
00:38:13.880 clearly was, though, you know, not sure how long we would have kept her, but certainly trying to
00:38:20.360 throw yourself instead of in front of a train would have gotten you committed at one point
00:38:25.920 in this country. But we got rid of them. We got rid of institutionalization. We got rid of these
00:38:33.680 facilities. They used to be, you know, like one flew over the cuckoo's nest situation. And some
00:38:38.860 investigative reporter named Nellie Bly back, you know, 100 plus years ago did some expose that led
00:38:44.220 to a lot of them closing. But as we moved into the 20th century, more and more, we started to talk
00:38:49.460 about the rights of the mentally ill, their quote rights, their civil rights, not to be
00:38:56.440 institutionalized. And we began downsizing beds, New York State systematically slashed its
00:39:01.920 its inpatient psychiatric beds by over 90%
00:39:05.640 and wanted to replace them
00:39:07.360 with neighborhood mental health clinics
00:39:09.020 and outpatient support.
00:39:10.720 Guess how that went?
00:39:12.560 We didn't do any of that shit.
00:39:14.620 We just turned people out on the street.
00:39:17.360 And now they're running around killing innocents.
00:39:20.920 I mean, I'm just so sick of hearing
00:39:22.880 about the civil rights of the mentally insane.
00:39:25.760 I really am.
00:39:26.400 Like, what about my civil rights
00:39:28.640 and your civil rights to stay alive?
00:39:31.480 What about the civil rights of this poor Bank of America young mom, Erin Piacente, to go home to her five-month-old daughter?
00:39:41.120 What about that?
00:39:41.800 What about the civil rights of the five-month-old baby?
00:39:44.200 To have her mother come home and tuck her in at night and breastfeed her and take care of her the way God intended?
00:39:51.560 Just sick of this bullshit.
00:39:53.780 There is another case in the news today involving an innocent American injured by leftist policies and the failure to institutionalize is 100 percent a leftist issue.
00:40:12.720 I think most conservatives are beyond ready to see these facilities brought back and to see liberal sentencing of the established mentally ill and dangerous to these facilities.
00:40:29.280 In any event, there was testimony on Capitol Hill yesterday.
00:40:34.460 Maybe you saw the soundbite because it went viral of a father.
00:40:39.380 His daughter is named Delilah.
00:40:41.300 and the father, his name is Marcus Coleman, spoke before the House Judiciary Subcommittee
00:40:49.180 on Immigration Integrity, Security, and Enforcement.
00:40:53.220 And you probably know this case.
00:40:54.980 President Trump mentioned it in the State of the Union, but you may remember the news
00:40:58.900 story when it broke because it was June of 2024.
00:41:01.380 What happened was out in California, an illegal alien from India caused a multi-car pileup
00:41:09.220 while driving a commercial 18-wheeler.
00:41:13.480 He was in the sanctuary state of California.
00:41:16.140 He drove an unsafe speed, according to the authorities,
00:41:20.280 and he failed to stop for traffic and a construction zone.
00:41:24.780 Governor Gavin Newsom's Department of Motor Vehicles
00:41:27.200 had issued him his commercial driver's license,
00:41:30.660 and he caused this wreck.
00:41:34.260 And unfortunately, Delilah was in the car with her dad, Marcus Coleman.
00:41:40.880 He told KBAK that Delilah, who lives in Bakersfield, was on her way to Victorville in California
00:41:47.900 at the time with her stepfather in a Toyota Corolla when the crash happened just after midnight.
00:41:54.840 They say that he failed to stop for traffic in a construction zone.
00:42:00.440 and poor Delilah was catastrophically injured.
00:42:05.000 She was five at the time.
00:42:06.580 Now she's seven.
00:42:07.940 And her dad, Marcus, sat in front of that panel,
00:42:11.720 which included Democrats like Jamie Raskin
00:42:14.480 and Pramila Jayapal
00:42:17.340 and had a very strong message for them.
00:42:21.860 Listen.
00:42:22.820 How are you guys not fighting for this?
00:42:25.260 Right here.
00:42:26.160 How are you guys not fighting for this?
00:42:27.420 i i i reject your guys's sympathy to be honest with you there's no way you guys are sorry not
00:42:35.080 one of you guys have ever called me not one of you guys have ever reached out to me not one of
00:42:39.140 you guys have ever sat there and seen me in the hallways and said hey sorry about your daughter
00:42:42.860 you guys do it right here while you guys are grandstanding on top of your soapbox
00:42:45.940 this is when you guys care right here inside this room is the only time you guys care
00:42:50.360 i've never received anything from anybody over here at all regarding my daughter or my family
00:42:56.400 or anything. Hey, Mr. Coleman,
00:42:58.760 your guys' Delilah law, I want to
00:43:00.740 help you revise this so that we're interested inside
00:43:02.760 of it. Nothing.
00:43:04.780 You guys have no pathway to
00:43:06.720 anything. You guys want to sit there and talk about the pathway
00:43:08.920 to citizenship. There is a pathway. It's
00:43:10.780 not jump the fence and apply. My
00:43:12.680 daughter doesn't deserve this. She
00:43:14.420 didn't ask for any of this. The people that jumped
00:43:16.640 the fence did, though. They knew exactly
00:43:18.720 what they were doing. They still chose to move forward in that direction.
00:43:21.480 And every day something's happening
00:43:22.720 to somebody. And it is your
00:43:24.720 guys' fault. I hold each and every one of you responsible for it, and I always will.
00:43:31.000 This poor man. The crash resulted in Delilah's inability to walk, talk, eat orally, or attend
00:43:38.240 kindergarten as planned. She was in a coma for three weeks, says her dad, and required six months
00:43:43.260 of hospital treatment before her family could bring her home. While in the hospital, she had
00:43:47.200 a craniectomy and was without half of her skull for four months. She experienced a broken femur,
00:43:52.260 skull fractures and has since been diagnosed with cerebral palsy, global developmental delay,
00:43:58.000 and will need lifelong therapy. And you still have people like Senator Ed Markey in Massachusetts
00:44:06.580 winning his GOP prime, or sorry, Democrat primary this week by saying we need to eliminate ICE.
00:44:14.460 We need to eliminate ICE. ICE and President Trump and his administration are the only ones
00:44:22.100 stopping more illegals like the one driving that truck from coming into this country.
00:44:28.680 If the Democrats had their way, that border would be wide open, wide open, still.
00:44:35.340 And Delilah's law does nothing.
00:44:38.240 I mean, it should be non-controversial.
00:44:40.340 It does nothing more than ensure that all commercial driver's license holders understand
00:44:44.180 English, road signs, and law enforcement officers.
00:44:47.000 It will place drivers who fail to meet the law's requirements and safety standards out
00:44:51.140 of service, would require states to verify that they're not issuing these licenses to
00:44:55.700 illegals, would significantly increase penalties for states failing to comply with the law,
00:45:01.640 and would ban shady foreign dispatch services and brokers who have fueled a surge in freight
00:45:07.740 fraud and cargo theft, as well as crack down on commercial driver's license mills to ensure
00:45:14.000 that drivers entering the industry are receiving adequate training.
00:45:17.120 How do you oppose that?
00:45:19.640 Why don't you tell it to Delilah?
00:45:21.140 Ms. Jayapal, Senator Markey. So let's hope that gets passed because what's happened so far is
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00:48:28.000 We have to spend a minute on what happened in the Tyler Robinson preliminary hearing yesterday.
00:48:34.380 We told you that the prosecution and the defense were offering their closing arguments.
00:48:40.840 That's what they were calling them.
00:48:41.800 It's not a closing like in a trial.
00:48:43.440 It was closing to the hearing, which they had a mini trial on for some reason back over the summer, you know, because we took it live in its entirety.
00:48:52.080 Well, the judge, Graff, of course, found that there was probable cause to hold Tyler Robinson over for trial.
00:48:59.260 That's all he said.
00:49:00.480 There should be a trial on this.
00:49:02.140 And he left all the counts against him intact, and he left the death penalty enhancement intact.
00:49:08.480 so he remains eligible for the death penalty because he endangered a crowd of people while
00:49:13.360 shooting at Charlie. He was not persuaded by the defense argument that because only Charlie
00:49:17.780 actually got shot, no one else was endangered, which was an absolutely, forgive me, retarded
00:49:23.380 fucking argument by the defense. Anyway, and now Tyler Robinson will stand trial as he absolutely
00:49:32.960 should. We don't yet have a trial date. But I want to spend a minute on this defense lawyer,
00:49:39.120 Richard Novak, lifelong resident of California, attended UC Berkeley, where he obtained his
00:49:45.120 bachelor's degree with honors, and then UCLA Law School in 1990. He received a prestigious
00:49:51.640 Skadden Fellowship that allowed him to establish a cutting-edge legal services program for homeless
00:49:57.420 youth living on the streets of Los Angeles. So he sounds like a bleeding heart. And he also
00:50:03.040 sounds like an idiot, like an idiot, because this is his take on a man about whom I guarantee you
00:50:12.620 he knows nothing, even though he's representing Tyler Robinson. And that is our friend,
00:50:18.740 Charlie Kirk. Here he is yesterday on HIMSOP 29.
00:50:22.240 There is no evidence of Mr. Robinson having heard or seen anything specific from Mr. Kirk
00:50:29.500 or having expressed anything about Mr. Kirk until the statement which basically says
00:50:39.160 some hatred can't be negotiated out.
00:50:43.040 So what is it?
00:50:45.020 Is it political expression?
00:50:47.140 Which political expression?
00:50:48.180 It is true that Mr. Kirk spoke hatefully of certain groups of people.
00:51:00.860 He spoke hatefully of people who don't have traditional, norm-conforming gender identities.
00:51:11.400 He spoke hatefully of people who are not strictly heterosexual.
00:51:15.640 He spoke hatefully of people who have sexual relationships out of marriage.
00:51:22.380 OK, that's not true.
00:51:25.040 But first and foremost, what are you bringing that up for?
00:51:29.180 Is this what we're going to hear at the trial?
00:51:31.540 You're going to demonize the decedent, the victim?
00:51:36.780 Are we arguing that Tyler Robinson had a point?
00:51:40.260 Is that truly what you're arguing?
00:51:42.200 because he started off by saying, okay, he said, Charlie, that some hate cannot be negotiated out.
00:51:47.860 Well, we don't know what that means. We don't know what about Charlie Kirk, he did or did not
00:51:52.440 find hateful. Then, then he launches into that whole non sequitur about how hateful Charlie was,
00:51:58.340 which by the way, undermines his argument, right? He's trying to say, oh, you know, I really have
00:52:03.660 no idea, but let me give you all these options in ways in which Charlie was hateful. What are you
00:52:08.620 doing? Just trying to poison the judge on the victim? Or is that for the cameras and the leftist
00:52:15.140 media out there because Mr. Novak wants to be a star and beloved? Well, you're wrong. You were
00:52:21.480 morally wrong to raise that in the context in which you did. And you were wrong on the facts.
00:52:26.040 You were factually incorrect. And I'll just give you a couple of examples. Here's Charlie
00:52:30.980 talking to someone who thought she was trans. I'm going to have an opinion that very few people
00:52:37.100 will ever tell you, which is I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system
00:52:41.860 in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your
00:52:49.260 brain first. I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis, just someone that
00:52:54.260 is going to listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else is going on. My prayer for
00:52:59.120 you, and again, very few people will say this, I actually want to see you be comfortable in how
00:53:04.520 you were born. Doesn't sound so hateful to me. As for dealing with gays, you don't know what
00:53:12.500 you're talking about, Mr. Novak. Do your homework. Watch this. Let me ask you a question. Are you a
00:53:18.700 Trump supporter? Yes, sir. So are you a proud Trump supporter? Of course. So are you sickened
00:53:23.040 that he had a gay man speak at his convention? Yes. Then you're not a Trump supporter, my friend.
00:53:27.380 thank you very much
00:53:28.940 I just want to go through the list
00:53:32.140 Guy Benson, no place in the conservative movement
00:53:35.140 Dave Rubin, no place in the conservative movement
00:53:37.680 Peter Thiel, no place in the conservative movement
00:53:40.640 so just to go down the list
00:53:42.620 if they are supporting open homosexuality
00:53:46.020 so I'm going to ask a very respectful question
00:53:48.840 as respectfully as I can
00:53:50.180 what does what they do in their private life
00:53:53.400 concern you so much
00:53:54.900 that you have to go up in front of a crowd
00:53:57.760 It is against God.
00:54:00.040 That is why.
00:54:00.520 So let me ask you a question.
00:54:01.540 Are you a Christian or not?
00:54:02.320 Do we live in a theocracy, yes or no?
00:54:04.900 No, that's a...
00:54:05.460 Do we live in a theocracy?
00:54:06.660 You said you're a Christian.
00:54:07.800 I am a Christian.
00:54:09.100 And do you know what?
00:54:10.000 And guess what?
00:54:11.000 I will say this.
00:54:11.960 Part of being a Christian is appropriately interpreting what the theological says for the individual.
00:54:17.360 But it also means to be long-suffering and patient and loving and kind.
00:54:22.940 Jesus Christ talked to all people.
00:54:25.440 Jesus Christ went and did his ministry through Judea and Samaria,
00:54:29.660 and he had dinner with tax collectors, and he had dinner with prostitutes,
00:54:33.700 and he did his ministry in every part of the Mediterranean.
00:54:37.100 What it means to be a Christian, my friend, is to be open-minded but firm in your beliefs
00:54:41.880 so you can have that belief.
00:54:43.640 But if you say there's something inherently wrong with communicating or associating
00:54:48.020 just because they make different personal decisions than you,
00:54:51.400 then you, sir, are not a conservative.
00:54:53.360 Thanks for being here tonight.
00:54:55.020 Hmm. This time last year, Charlie had eight days left to live.
00:55:04.680 His voice was silenced forever, prosecutors and police say by Tyler Robinson. And we will not
00:55:10.660 allow that man's lawyer or anyone else to bastardize Charlie's views on life, love,
00:55:18.620 or anything else. Tomorrow we have something different, something I've been dying to do
00:55:23.200 since this happened to me this summer.
00:55:25.300 I will be taking on the hit show, The Pit.
00:55:29.700 I think you're going to enjoy this.
00:55:31.140 See you then.
00:55:32.540 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.
00:55:34.300 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.