The Megyn Kelly Show - September 28, 2026


Madonna's Vile VMAs Performance, the Tom Brady Lesson, Plus How the GOP Can Avoid a Midterms "Nightmare," with Mark Halperin | Ep. 1407

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00:00:47 Lots of news to get to today, including what in the world happened at the MTV Video Music Awards last night.
00:00:52 literally nobody cares about the MTV Video Music Awards. I realize this, but it made its way into
00:00:57 my feed and therefore we must discuss Madonna's very strange ass, which had lasers shooting out 0.99
00:01:05 of it, as well as her lips and what she's doing. I'm just going to tell you upfront, I have bigger 1.00
00:01:13 goals for myself when eventually in many years I hit age 68. I desperately hope that I have more
00:01:22 self-confidence and am less needy of other people's approval. I've kind of felt like I got
00:01:29 there when I hit my 50s. I'm not sure what's happening there when she's almost in her 70s,
00:01:33 but I have secondhand embarrassment. Also over the weekend, a touching moment. This is the moment
00:01:38 of the week as a baseball legend wraps up a Hall of Fame career. You know, I know nothing about
00:01:44 sports and I certainly don't know anything about baseball and I didn't know who this guy was,
00:01:47 But I do know he's married to Kate Upton, found that out last night.
00:01:51 The, you know, moral, she was from the Carl's Jr. ad and she was, you know, this stunning
00:01:57 model.
00:01:59 And then you kind of didn't hear from her anymore. 0.77
00:02:01 And I think it's because she married a major league baseball player who's probably raking
00:02:05 in the bucks.
00:02:06 She became a mom of two.
00:02:08 And I don't care about any of that.
00:02:10 What I care about is that sweet moment that happened from the pitcher's mound over the
00:02:14 weekend, which I don't care how cold-hearted you may be, like a cynical newswoman is yours truly,
00:02:20 it's going to make you feel something. Now, I'm a new fan of this guy Verlander just as he leaves
00:02:26 MLB. But first, our pal Mark Halpern is here, and he is in the news himself. What did he do?
00:02:33 He offered some hard truths for Republicans in advance of the midterms. And let's be honest,
00:02:40 it was about time someone did it. I mean, I've been hearing nothing, nothing but naysaying 0.99
00:02:46 from all the Republicans I know. And trust me, I know a lot of them. But the co-campaign
00:02:51 chairman of Trump's prior campaign, Chris Lasavita, posted on X that Halpern is, quote, 1.00
00:02:57 full of shit. He did not like the reports where we don't expect Team Trump to like them. 0.99
00:03:04 The question is, did Mark report truthfully?
00:03:07 Well, Mark always does.
00:03:09 He is not somebody known for having TDS at all.
00:03:13 He's done many, many reports that are very, very optimistic for Republicans,
00:03:17 but not right now because that's not what he's hearing from his well-placed Republican sources.
00:03:24 First, he dropped a report in the Daily Mail that Republicans' private polling
00:03:28 is showing the midterms are starting to look like President Trump's, quote,
00:03:32 worst nightmare imaginable.
00:03:34 Well, that piece went completely viral. Halpern later posted on X that 17 additional Republican strategists later confirmed to him that his reporting is accurate and that they were seeing the same thing.
00:03:46 Well, Mark has continued his reporting and he is here to share what exactly he's seeing.
00:03:51 All right. We are 36 days out and might as well know the truth because it's coming.
00:03:56 It's coming for us like freight train just over a month away.
00:03:59 Mark is the host of Next Up with Mark Halperin right here on the MK Media Podcast Network.
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00:04:58 989898. Mark, welcome back. So did you expect to unleash such a torrent of upset with your first
00:05:08 column? I really didn't, because as you said, anyone who's got any sources in Republican
00:05:12 politics knows that this is the state of play right now. It's not a prediction. It's not a
00:05:18 guess. It's not based on looking at public polls, which are mostly junk. People are right to be 0.98
00:05:23 suspicious of them. Ask almost any Republican strategist. Chris LaCivita maybe is an exception.
00:05:29 And they'll tell you right now things are very grim. There are races that they weren't 0.93
00:05:33 thinking would be in play that are now in play. And ever since I wrote it and ever since Chris
00:05:39 posted what he posted, I've said, if you're a Republican strategist and you agree with Chris
00:05:44 La Vida and you disagree with my reporting and you're working on any races, contact me. I'm up
00:05:49 to 45 now. And all 45 have said one of two things. Either my reporting is spot on, Republicans are
00:05:56 facing a tough situation, or about half of those 45 have said, you've actually understated the
00:06:01 case. The problem's bigger than your sources so far have described it. I'm not Christmas. All
00:06:07 right. Give it to us straight. Give it to us straight. How bad is it? Well, look, there's
00:06:11 still republicans have a money advantage they have an operational advantage with james blair
00:06:16 the president's political lieutenant the president could could start driving messages that are
00:06:20 helpful as opposed to unhelpful messages like i love data centers and i love ai if that happens
00:06:26 maybe things will change but right now i'd say democrats would pick up at least 25 house seats
00:06:31 net and at least six senate seats net today based on talking to campaigns could be bigger 0.98
00:06:38 Oh, I mean, that that will get you called full of shit every time by Chris Lasavilla, because those are awful numbers. 0.92
00:06:48 And now you're talking about that's more than a blue wave. That's it. We're tidal wave. 0.99
00:06:53 We're looking at the New Jersey coastline after this three day nor'easter kind of situation.
00:06:58 Yeah. And now, again, there are a lot of races that are close. The good news for Republicans, besides their money advantage, is these Democratic Party brand is crap. Democrats have a lot of inexperienced candidates. They've not played at this level. Republicans have a plan to define them. And the negative ads are just coming out.
00:07:19 But when you're talking about South Carolina and Mississippi as potentially in Kansas as being in play, you know, there's a problem.
00:07:27 And again, for people who want to say, well, he's just going on the fake polls.
00:07:31 I almost never read the public polls because I agree with most of the public that they're mostly not that valuable.
00:07:37 But I'm talking to Republican campaigns, to consultants and candidates involved in contested races.
00:07:42 And they say the worry is any close race, they'll lose because they've lost a lot of support from independents.
00:07:50 And you need to inspire your base, but you need independents.
00:07:53 And right now, independents are just in a mood to send a message to the Republican Party in most places, not every place, that they want to change.
00:08:01 They want the war to end.
00:08:02 They want gas prices to be lower.
00:08:03 They want some consideration given to checking AI and data centers.
00:08:09 Yeah, I'm an independent.
00:08:10 I can relate to those things.
00:08:11 I wouldn't be voting Democrat, but I'm feeling what everyone's feeling, which is like, what happened?
00:08:18 How do we get bogged down in an Iranian war that no one supports?
00:08:23 Why is the White House trying so hard to turn A.I. into a red versus blue issue rather than actually considering whether people have legitimate fears and concerns around it?
00:08:33 You know, like every other week, there's a story about how much money the Trump family is making, but the American people are suffering mightily as a result of this economy and inflation and in particular high gas prices.
00:08:47 And God forbid you come anywhere near needing diesel gasoline, which almost everyone does.
00:08:54 I mean, if you drive a truck, you need diesel gasoline.
00:08:56 If you operate heavy machinery, you need diesel gasoline.
00:09:00 If you fly in a plane, you're you're paying for it.
00:09:02 It's like, it's everywhere, as Doug Brunt, author of The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel,
00:09:07 and now the follow-up, which is The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel, pointed out to us.
00:09:12 But Diesel's everywhere.
00:09:13 Everybody's feeling the punch.
00:09:14 We're at almost $6.50 now per gallon.
00:09:18 So people are sick of it.
00:09:20 Like, they just want their own lives to be improved.
00:09:23 You know, if there is a big blue wave, I think we'll look back and we'll say, duh.
00:09:28 Like, he said he wouldn't get us into a forever war.
00:09:31 We're stuck in a war.
00:09:32 He said he would lower prices, prices of a lot of stuff, including energies he sets up.
00:09:36 And then two other things, one you referenced and one I'll add, the corruption stuff and the
00:09:41 profiteering. It may be all legal. The Trump family can say, oh, look at what Hunter Biden did.
00:09:47 But I hear it from Republicans all the time, all the time, people who voted for Donald Trump three
00:09:52 times. You just say, it's just too much. While American families are struggling, it's just too
00:09:57 much. And then lastly is health care. It's not like Democrats have super ideas on health care
00:10:02 that are foolproof but the failure to address the costs of health care all the normal things
00:10:06 higher premiums higher co-pays higher deductibles it's just it's a big problem and republicans
00:10:13 passed a law that restricted some people's access to health care and that has a lot of people
00:10:19 including in red states just saying again at a time when people are struggling help them with
00:10:23 health care don't hurt them even though they're running against a weak democratic party i want to
00:10:28 reverse. Let's take, let's put it in reverse and go back about four minutes to where you mentioned
00:10:33 two words, two states that stood out. I believe I heard you say South Carolina and Mississippi.
00:10:39 I stopped breathing for a moment after I heard Mississippi, but could you elaborate on why you
00:10:45 are mentioning those as possible problem areas for Republicans? Well, I've been talking about
00:10:51 South Carolina for a while. It's not quite a perfect storm, but you've got a really weak
00:10:55 candidate in senator graham lindsey graham's sister took the seat darlene darlene she's she's
00:11:00 she's not raising money campaigning or debating or advertising on television i'm exaggerating a
00:11:06 little bit but i mean she's just not very visible and the woman she's running against the doctor
00:11:10 who i had on next up annie andrews she's she's a strong candidate i mean she's again she might be 0.86
00:11:16 she's more liberal than the state would normally vote for but she's run a very shrewd campaign 0.96
00:11:20 When I had her on NextUp, one of the nexters emailed me and said, you must have given her 1.00
00:11:25 the questions in advance because her answers were all so good. 1.00
00:11:29 I said, no, she's just a smart, smart candidate.
00:11:31 And there have been now three straight polls that have shown the race virtually tied.
00:11:35 And again, I don't listen to the public polls, but that's part of the mood music that have
00:11:39 caused Democrats to be more optimistic.
00:11:41 And she's raising a lot of money.
00:11:43 Don't know how much, but a lot. 0.98
00:11:44 And then in Mississippi, the Democrats have a decent candidate.
00:11:47 and there's a story in the Wall Street Journal today about how big donors are thinking of going
00:11:51 in there. They may not win those two races. But again, just like with Kansas, the fact that these
00:11:56 places are close. Kansas is another one. And Florida. We have to talk about Kansas and Florida.
00:12:01 The fact that these places are close says something. Kansas, I really don't think the
00:12:04 Republican incumbent, Roger Marshall, is the leader at this point. I think he's going to have
00:12:09 to fight back. And, you know, when J.D. Vance spends a day in Kansas, you know, they're concerned
00:12:15 about it there's no hiding the president the vice president their schedules tell the tale
00:12:19 the president's going to uh going to um alabama the president's alabama president's going to
00:12:26 oklahoma you know that tells you why are you saying words like alabama and mississippi and 0.99
00:12:31 oklahoma stop saying those words this is it'd be like if barack obama was five alarm fire shit 0.99
00:12:36 like if barack obama in the last month was going to vermont right you just say well if he's going 0.99
00:12:41 to vermont obviously there's a huge problem for democrats and and and that's what's happening now
00:12:45 It doesn't mean they're going to lose them all. They're doing what they think they need to do to try to save some of these seats. But I wouldn't be surprised, again, if they lost well more than the number of Senate seats that people have talked about. They could also, you know, hold them all because, again, this is probably the best news for Republicans, Megan.
00:13:02 There's almost no race that's contested.
00:13:05 Let's say there's now 40 contested House races and a dozen contested Senate races.
00:13:09 There's almost no race where Republicans are behind by more than five.
00:13:12 They're all they're all within the margin of error.
00:13:15 So if they execute on negative ads, if they execute on turn out the vote, if they execute
00:13:19 on presidential visits, you know, and vice presidential visits, they can save a lot of
00:13:25 these seats still.
00:13:27 Does Trump have money and is he spending it on these races?
00:13:30 Yes, and maybe.
00:13:32 he transferred some of it to other entities, which everyone assumed he meant he was going
00:13:37 to spend it. But now there's back to being this suspicion that perhaps he's not going to spend it
00:13:42 because he doesn't want to spend money on people who go who distance themselves from him. And he
00:13:47 doesn't want to spend money on races where he feels they can't win. So that seems to be up in
00:13:53 the air now, as is, you know, the money that Elon Musk said he was going to spend and some of these
00:13:58 other very wealthy supporters of the Republican Party. So they'll have a big money advantage,
00:14:03 but I think it's going to be smaller than it would be if they had some momentum. And that's
00:14:07 part of the reason they don't like my reporting. I'm amazed I'm the only one who's been saying it
00:14:11 so vocally, because everyone I know hears the same thing, but they don't. I've been hearing
00:14:18 the same for months now, for months. And I mean, then you've got open revolt in sections of the
00:14:24 Party, thanks to Iran. And that hasn't gone anywhere. The president kept saying it was going 0.98
00:14:31 to it was going to wrap up and it was going to wrap up. And yeah, no. So it's not just that
00:14:35 people don't like being in what feels like a quagmire or, you know, did not wrap up easily
00:14:41 and was a war of choice. And even the president has said himself, I don't we don't have to worry
00:14:47 about nuclear. We took care of nuclear in the previous June. So it's like we know that's why
00:14:53 many of us thought this was a mistake, what we started on February 28th. We had already done it
00:14:58 the previous June. Why did we even risk this? But in any event, so people have their objections to
00:15:04 the war. But on top of that, it's the gas prices because that really, I mean, it's incredible how
00:15:12 much gas costs now. When you watch that thing just keep going, sitting at the pump. And I feel for
00:15:17 people like I can afford it, but my mom can't afford it without my help. And a lot of people
00:15:22 I know cannot afford these gas prices without help. And by the way, that's to say nothing of
00:15:26 what's happening in the housing market at the grocery store. And as you point out,
00:15:31 when it comes to their health care, these are the things that actually do
00:15:33 drain away somebody's bank account really fast. And all four things you listed are not optional.
00:15:40 You need food, you need gas, you need housing, right? And health care, you know, these are all
00:15:49 things that are essential. And the president is not out there every day explaining what he's done
00:15:58 and what he will do. Instead, people see him talking about the ballroom, the Kennedy Center,
00:16:04 etc. Now, again, his aides say that's going to turn around. And today he's doing an event focused
00:16:09 on jobs in Iowa, building a steel mill in Iowa. That's the kind of thing that people in the
00:16:18 republican party would like to see the president do here in the last 30 days but there's a reason
00:16:21 he's in iowa yeah it's a i was i was one of the most critically endangered states uh the governor's
00:16:29 race the senate race two house races um and and i'll tell you a thing didn't get as much attention
00:16:34 but state house races right state legislative races in a blue wave you're going to see it
00:16:40 so many of the gains that republicans have made undone and so they're trying to staunch that in
00:16:45 a place like Iowa, where there's obviously a lot of legislative dangers as well in the
00:16:50 state level.
00:16:52 Your piece for the Daily Mail that caused all the kerfuffle has the following line,
00:16:57 I have an investment banker friend who once offered this sage advice, sometimes the appropriate
00:17:01 response in a crisis is, in fact, to panic.
00:17:06 And then you point out that while the Trump White House is maintaining a stiff upper lip,
00:17:10 The code of political omerta was broken by veteran Iowa talk show host Steve Dace, who said yesterday, Iowa House Republicans were informed by their own pollsters that if you are in a plus 15 district, you're within the margin for error.
00:17:26 If you are in a plus 10 district, you're underwater and that this might end being an even worse midterm environment than 2006.
00:17:38 That's Iowa.
00:17:40 This, as the the Cook political report you point out, has shifted its outlook for Senate races in multiple races, including in Kansas, where Democrats have not won a Senate seat since 1932.
00:17:55 And yet, Cook is shifting the outlook there to more beneficial. It was likely Republican. Now it's only lean Republican. That doesn't mean it's going to be a Dem pickup, but it's shocking to see it move to the left, raising hopes on Team Blue for the first time in 700, almost 100 years.
00:18:18 not to mention what we just discussed in Alabama, Mississippi, South Carolina, and so on.
00:18:24 Now, let me ask you this.
00:18:28 As I see it, the only silver lining here, well, there's two.
00:18:33 One is it's better to know.
00:18:35 Like, God forbid you have cancer.
00:18:37 It's better to know.
00:18:38 You can do something about it.
00:18:40 You know, like you have it either way.
00:18:43 You know, one, you stay oblivious until you die, which will be soon.
00:18:46 And one, you get very bad news, you get very stressed out, but then ideally you do something about it and you live.
00:18:52 So that's one.
00:18:54 The second silver lining is if the Republicans lose the House and or the Senate, let's say they lose both.
00:19:04 It improves their chances of holding on to the White House two years later.
00:19:08 because never underestimate really either side, but definitely the Democrats ability to alienate
00:19:18 the voters of America. Once they take power, they'll remind us every day who they are.
00:19:24 It'll be investorama into the Trump White House, the Trump family. You know, it'll be Trump
00:19:30 battling the media every day, which will tell lots of lies and overstate the case. Right. And
00:19:37 Republicans and right-leaning independents will be reminded of why we, maybe it's a pox on both
00:19:44 their houses, but we really can't stand that side. You know what I mean? So I don't think
00:19:48 it's all bad news for Republicans if they lose one or both houses of Congress. I do think it
00:19:54 improves J.D. Vance's, Marco Rubio's, whomever's chances of winning the presidency. What do you
00:19:59 think? I agree with you. And I would say that people around Vance and Rubio would agree with
00:20:02 as well um uh on the other hand there's a chance that the democrats could use that power the way
00:20:09 the democrats did in 1990 to lay the groundwork for bill clinton to win but that requires a lot
00:20:14 of skill and this democratic team doesn't appear to have all that much skill uh they're not they're
00:20:21 not winning to this uh they're not poised to do well in the midterms which historically of course
00:20:27 they should what did the democrats do in 1990 to lay the foundation for bill clinton they use the
00:20:31 power to control Congress to create uncomfortable votes for Republicans and to contrast
00:20:37 the President Bush's positions with public opinion. They basically just used it as like a
00:20:44 soundstage to do press conferences and use the legislative process to put him in a tough position.
00:20:50 It took a lot of skill. George Mitchell, who was the Senate leader, Democratic leader, was
00:20:54 super skillful at doing that. And that was their goal. It wasn't to compromise. It wasn't to get
00:20:59 things done for the american people the goal is to lay the groundwork to win i don't think this
00:21:04 team has it you know one of the best illustrations of the fact that the democrats are just stumbling
00:21:08 into this election the republicans are hurting themselves with gas prices in the war rather than
00:21:14 democrats do anything is do you see chuck schumer and hakeem jeffries barnstorming around the
00:21:19 country do you see them having press conferences with their candidates talking about a shared
00:21:23 agenda there's none of that why why aren't they because they're they have a socialist wing and
00:21:28 they don't have any ideas that would lower prices that they think they can sell to the country.
00:21:32 So they're just keeping their heads down.
00:21:36 All right.
00:21:36 Now we've got President Trump, who he's been doing a bunch of things lately.
00:21:40 I think he picked this fight with the media, which I have studiously avoided because I hate this.
00:21:45 It's like covering, you know, will they shut down the government or will they pass a budget?
00:21:51 No, I'm out.
00:21:52 I'm out. 1.00
00:21:52 I'm sick of this shit. 1.00
00:21:54 I agree with you. 1.00
00:21:54 very hard for me at this point in my career to get worked up right for either side i just can't
00:22:01 but okay he picked this fight with cnn ms now and politico to keep them out of the white house
00:22:07 i think because he knows fighting with the media is good for him with his base they like it but
00:22:13 this one really didn't go that way it didn't really seem to rally a bunch of republicans like
00:22:20 Fox News didn't side with him. And some of the Trump faithful got mad at Fox News over that.
00:22:27 I wasn't surprised one bit because when Obama refused to allow Fox to be pool one day during
00:22:34 his term, all the other networks stood up for Fox and said, if they can't be in the pool, we're not
00:22:39 we're not going to be covering the president. And so I knew what Fox would do. There was no way they
00:22:43 were going to turn their back on these news organizations, which even though they loathed
00:22:47 Fox did stand behind it when this was done to them. But in any event, it didn't seem to really
00:22:53 excite right-wing podcasters. And by the way, there was just a report showing that
00:22:58 right-wing podcasters are mentioning Trump at record lows right now, record lows,
00:23:05 which tells you that right-wing viewers have record low appetites for said news,
00:23:11 which is another worrisome sign for the Trump White House and for Republicans.
00:23:16 um but what did you make of the whole fight with the media it just seems like trump's normal go-to's
00:23:22 may not be working the way they have yeah everything he's just said i think he's really
00:23:28 right and and on point to where we are uh on the second point i'll come back to the fight
00:23:33 the fact that trump's name trump the topic of trump is not as as as interesting to maga audiences
00:23:40 as before is a horrible sign for him and um uh you know he's he's thrived on mojo uh for over a
00:23:49 decade now uh because he he has incredible mojo and he has great fingertip feel for what fights
00:23:54 to pick he fought with john mccain he fought with the pope in his first campaign and everybody said
00:23:58 you can't do that he's always fought with the press people say don't don't fight with the press
00:24:02 i think you're right that it hasn't really caught on and i think it hasn't caught on for
00:24:06 three reasons. One is because there has been solidarity, not just with Fox, but from other
00:24:11 conservative media. And that takes the edge off of it. Number two is the reality is it's hard to
00:24:18 explain why he kicked them out. They didn't do anything in this case, except he says, right,
00:24:23 negative stories. But there's no storyline that says, you know, they did this one outrageous
00:24:27 thing and therefore he punished them. And then lastly, you know, when people are paying $6.50
00:24:33 for diesel um it's like you know this is just like a sideshow it's like the kennedy center it's like
00:24:39 this other stuff where people might get excited about trump the fighter under normal circumstances
00:24:43 but these are not normal circumstances this is an opportunity for them to express their anger about
00:24:48 how much things cost and about a forever war and donald trump not liking caitlin collins is you
00:24:53 know is just a sideshow right it's like it's it's not exciting them the way it normally used to
00:25:01 it's not invigorating them i think they're just ignoring it like they they have bigger problems
00:25:05 that's how it feels like they're really hurting and they really wanted a solution and they
00:25:09 aren't getting it and they really want somebody to say okay no actually i'll fix it which by the
00:25:14 way no no one none of the democrats is saying that either the socialist democrats are they
00:25:21 they they have an idea it's a terrible one but at least at least they're articulating
00:25:27 a vision, unlike the other Democrats who are basically like, we're not Trump.
00:25:32 So I really feel for the people, you know, who are genuinely struggling right now, because
00:25:36 it doesn't seem like relief is coming from either party.
00:25:39 You know, like Trump, when they had that fake midterm convention thing, you know, he was
00:25:44 like, we'll do this and we'll do that and we'll do the other thing.
00:25:49 And it was like, if what?
00:25:51 And the answer is, if you keep us in power, it's like, wait a minute, you're in power
00:25:56 right now.
00:25:56 You're giving the speech of somebody who's out of power.
00:25:59 You control all three bodies, the House, the Senate, and the White House.
00:26:05 So what are you saying?
00:26:07 Because there's zero chance the Republicans add to their majority in the Senate to the point where they get a filibuster-proof majority.
00:26:13 The whole question is, for either party, frankly, can you govern with something less than that?
00:26:18 Because the other side is going to be obstreperous and stop things.
00:26:23 And what we're seeing, at least under this government, is not really.
00:26:27 Everything will be done by executive order.
00:26:29 And now he's promising what?
00:26:31 I guess more executive order.
00:26:32 Like, I don't get it.
00:26:33 Because the things he was like, keep us in power and we'll do all these things.
00:26:36 He's like, wait, but you've been in power now two years.
00:26:38 No, and voters get that, I think.
00:26:41 And that's a problem for any incumbent president during their second midterm.
00:26:46 He's got this new thing that I think is really one of the more outrageous things he's done,
00:26:50 which is using our tax dollars to run political ads the white house denies their political ads
00:26:54 but one of them is literally a political ad that he ran when he was running for re-election
00:26:58 which is a different ending let me show you that i think we is this number three
00:27:02 steve is that the one that's the one he ran before saw three here it is this is the final battle 0.99
00:27:07 with you at my side we will demolish the deep state we will expel the warmongers from our 0.98
00:27:13 government we will drive out the globalists we will cast out the communists marxists and fascists 1.00
00:27:19 We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. 0.99
00:27:24 We will rout the fake news media and we will liberate America from these villains once and for all.
00:27:34 It reads paid for by the U.S. government, which means taxpayer paid for that, taxpayers, Democrats included.
00:27:41 and the claims, well, they may have been palatable
00:27:45 while he was campaigning.
00:27:49 Now he says, we're gonna demolish the deep state.
00:27:51 I don't think anybody thinks he did that
00:27:53 with the Epstein scandal, just as one example. 0.94
00:27:55 We will expel the warmongers from our government. 1.00
00:27:58 Oops. 1.00
00:27:59 That didn't happen. 0.87
00:28:01 They won the warmongers. 0.85
00:28:03 We will drive out the globalists away.
00:28:05 Maybe we've tried, I don't know.
00:28:06 I don't know, he came out with Elon.
00:28:09 And like, I don't know,
00:28:11 I just like literally the red carpet for Xi Jinping will cast out the communists, Marxists and fascists.
00:28:18 Pallowing around with.
00:28:18 I mean, he was just cozying up to Zoran Mamdani, which is like truly, as I think I was saying to you last week on your show, who wanted to see that?
00:28:28 Who on earth wanted to see Trump and Mamdani as BFFs?
00:28:33 No one.
00:28:33 Not the left, not the right, not me.
00:28:36 I didn't want to see it at all.
00:28:37 so it's just it's an odd message for right now um the rest of the rest of it's mostly okay but
00:28:44 but you highlighted the lines it just they cannot land with any any uh any uh you know clarity and
00:28:51 and again our tax dollars shouldn't be paying for that no absolutely not if joe biden did this
00:28:56 we would be ripping him a new one and trump shouldn't be doing it either nobody i know
00:29:01 thinks he should. Speaking of Mamdani, here's Trump with him. Shot seven. I certainly hope he 0.99
00:29:09 will be a great mayor. You have to understand I want what's good for New York. I want what's good
00:29:14 for the country. So if I had a choice of having him be a bad mayor or horrible mayor, I don't
00:29:20 want that. I want him to be a great mayor. And he certainly got potential, got great potential.
00:29:24 Thank you very much. Thank you very much, everybody.
00:29:28 It's a pleasure to be with you.
00:29:29 Okay, so Mark, I think the president is probably thinking, from a PR standpoint,
00:29:38 this could help him because he can get along with anybody.
00:29:42 He can get along with the other side.
00:29:44 He is not some extremist, and he's telegraphing, look at me.
00:29:49 Like, here's a Democrat, you know, a communist, and I can get along with him.
00:29:53 The problem is that everybody in New York State and beyond in the Republican Party is using Momdani as their poster boy for the evils of the DSA and what is likely to come our way if we go DSA in the midterms.
00:30:10 So it's not great to have the arm around him like patting him. This is my buddy and we're going to be friends because we truly pick up the New York Post on any day of the week and he's on the cover being attacked and for good reason.
00:30:25 Yeah, I thought when you and I talked about it last week, I thought you explained it well, like Trump's just attracted to New York things and he's attracted to, you know, other people who are good and popular because he is popular in New York.
00:30:39 I think another factor, somebody mentioned to me yesterday.
00:30:43 And he likes Trump.
00:30:44 Yeah.
00:30:44 That's the other thing. 0.99
00:30:44 He kisses Trump's butt a bit. 0.99
00:30:46 He does, but he also, he's also not afraid of Trump. 0.99
00:30:49 And a lot of powerful people are surrounded all day by people who are afraid of them.
00:30:53 And sometimes they find it refreshing when someone's not afraid of them.
00:30:57 And I think that may be part of it too.
00:31:00 Mm-hmm.
00:31:00 Boy, that's a tricky game with Trump.
00:31:02 You can go just so far and then back you go.
00:31:05 He wants you to be afraid, yeah.
00:31:08 Yeah.
00:31:08 Yeah. Like have your own game. He likes winners. So if you are strong, you know, like take an Elon, but don't kiss ass. You can you can make it in Trump's world. But if you get openly antagonistic, forget about it. You know, I mean, honestly, I can relate to this because I think Trump and I have always, for the most part, gotten along. We've had our downs, as everybody knows. But, you know, then I started criticizing him over the Iran war and he attacked me and, you know, things haven't been the same since. And that's fine. That's the risk you run if you're going to be an honest political commentator.
00:31:36 But I will say, in general, he's fair.
00:31:39 If he thinks you're successful, he likes you.
00:31:42 And if he thinks you don't have Trump derangement syndrome, he will give you another chance.
00:31:46 So I think he doesn't think Mamdani has TDS.
00:31:50 Here's the other thing.
00:31:51 The Iran war.
00:31:53 He keeps talking about it, like when he went to the UN.
00:31:57 And he keeps making the same threats over and over and over.
00:32:00 Here's the latest example of last Tuesday at the United Nations, Sot 6.
00:32:04 But I have a big decision to make. Will a deal be made with Iran that lets them rebuild and create 1.00
00:32:14 a far greater country than it ever was before? Maybe one of the greatest in the Middle East or 0.95
00:32:21 even the world? Or do I annihilate the Islamic Republic and do it quickly, never giving them 1.00
00:32:29 a chance to kill and destroy people and countries again okay so here's my take on that you tell me 1.00
00:32:37 what you think we've gone from him saying that and people being either like yeah do it or being 0.96
00:32:44 horrified at their casual rhetoric about annihilating a people to him saying that and
00:32:50 everybody being like let's just talk he like he's not doing it so like the more neocon people have
00:32:56 been frustrated that he doesn't live up to it. Just fucking do it. That's what they want. 0.99
00:33:00 And then people like me who wish he wouldn't talk quite so casually have been like, he doesn't mean
00:33:06 it. You know, this is Trump. You know, he's making empty threats toward a crazy regime that just is
00:33:12 never going to give him what he wants to now where it's like it doesn't it barely even makes news.
00:33:18 It's like crossed over to, I think, completely meaningless and almost a little sad because he
00:33:25 just keeps saying it, even though no one's really paying. Even the Iranians, I don't think,
00:33:30 feel threatened by that now. I couldn't agree more. And all the time, like just now, Axios
00:33:35 is reporting that a senior administration official say Trump will make a deal and give Iran sanctions
00:33:41 relief and open the strait for progress on nuclear. And I'll get 20 calls about this. Well,
00:33:47 what does it mean? It means nothing. I never thought the words of a president in the context
00:33:53 of a global conflict that affects every corner of the world where nuclear weapons are at issue.
00:34:00 I never thought the words of a president could be so meaningless, but they truly are. They truly
00:34:05 are. He can announce anything from annihilation to they're begging for a deal and we might make
00:34:10 a deal or anything in between. It really doesn't mean anything. And it's embarrassing, I think,
00:34:17 for the presidency. And I think what they must think in Tehran. I mean, you could do
00:34:21 a great comedy about what they must think watching this, because it's just, it's so
00:34:27 undisciplined. It's so unfocused. It's so meaningless. So I hope there's a way to end
00:34:31 this. And, and, uh, uh, and I think, uh, I think it's true that all options are on the table,
00:34:36 but this, this just series of statements, you know, the war's over, the war's not over.
00:34:42 We're going to annihilate them. We're going to make a deal with them. I, I, I find it so 0.93
00:34:46 diminishes the power of the office and the meaning of the words of a president.
00:34:51 I think you should just stop talking about it.
00:34:53 Like we know he's negotiating.
00:34:55 When they were here last week,
00:34:56 there was a backroom negotiation.
00:34:59 That's good.
00:34:59 We actually are getting more than 10 million barrels a day
00:35:03 through the Strait of Hormuz.
00:35:04 It has to be done under the dark of night and so on.
00:35:06 But that's progress.
00:35:08 That's one of the reasons why it's not worse at the pump,
00:35:10 especially when it comes to regular gasoline.
00:35:14 So like, just stop talking about it
00:35:15 because I just don't think people believe him anymore
00:35:18 and it's undermining to him personally,
00:35:20 to the presidency to probably to the negotiations to just just there's no reason and like people
00:35:26 are associating it with their gas prices so like it's just it's there's no upside there's no upside
00:35:32 to talking about the war let other let other people let secretary rubio talk about it let
00:35:38 scott bassin talk about it but just just do other stuff because there's just it literally is is only
00:35:45 negative as best anybody I know can tell. And the stakes are so high. It's not talking about
00:35:51 the ballroom. It's talking about trying to end a conflict, which has huge implications for
00:35:56 American security and economics. It's a mess. It's like between Ukraine, which Vladimir Putin
00:36:02 has been a stubborn mofo and so has Zelensky. Trump genuinely thought he could go in there 0.99
00:36:08 and settle the thing in 10 days, I think he said. Of course, that turned out not to be true because
00:36:13 they're just so dug in on their, well, we know why. And then Israel, you know, Iran, same. So 0.72
00:36:20 it's just, all of this is, I think what's driving down the numbers that like on a gut level of
00:36:25 somebody who remains a Trump supporter, like I really do want Trump to succeed. I feel grateful
00:36:31 that the pieces of the agenda that I was very vocal in supporting and the reasons I stood up
00:36:35 there and endorsed him, he really has delivered on and continues to deliver on, namely closing the 0.93
00:36:42 border and attacking the trans mania, especially when it comes to our children. I mean, just last 1.00
00:36:48 week, there was yet another news item about six more hospitals agreeing to stop performing these
00:36:54 barbaric surgeries on children under threat by Trump that he would find a way to close them if
00:36:59 they didn't. So God bless him for that. But like so much of the agenda has been muddied by these
00:37:04 other things that are contrary in the minds of many of us, not everybody, to what he promised
00:37:10 to do, that it's people don't feel enthusiastic anymore. So I don't know, Mark, what would you
00:37:15 tell him if he calls up Mark Halpern after he gets mad at you for your columns and says, Mark,
00:37:19 you're one of the most astute political observers in America today. What should I do between now
00:37:25 and 35 days from now to help my party? How would you answer? I would say I don't give advice to
00:37:30 politicians, Mr. President. Thank you. Thank you for calling. Why can't I have an interview?
00:37:35 What have you said? You can say it on the MK show and I'll tune in.
00:37:38 Look, I think the thing you said, stop talking about Iran. Stop talking about Ukraine unless you got something to say that's meaningful. Stop diminishing your words. And then, you know, I'll tell you what most Republicans I talk to say. They say, do stuff like he's doing today. Announce a big new deal for a multibillion dollar investment in a state like Iowa involving steel. Like that's that's what they want to see him doing.
00:38:03 They want to see you want to see him talking about stuff that means something to the real lives of real people, not the ballroom, not Don Jr.'s wedding, not whether Iran's going to be annihilated or not.
00:38:14 That's what every Republican I talk to say the same thing.
00:38:17 Use your ability to persuade people by talking about things that they'll say, well, that's going to make my life better.
00:38:22 Yeah. He told, when did he say, who did he tell this to when he said he's not going to be campaigning that hard for the midterms because he said he's kind of tired of politics and he worked hard enough just to get himself elected, which, frankly, I mean, honestly, yeah, he's not wrong.
00:38:42 But I don't know how much he's going to be doing between now and the midterms.
00:38:46 But I do think he's got skin in the game, even though Trump, you know, I don't think he really identifies with the Republican Party.
00:38:53 Right. I think he he's Trump and like he created MAGA, which isn't exactly synonymous with the Republican Party.
00:39:00 But I think hopefully he's been made to see that his fortunes will be hurt if the Republicans lose his personal political fortunes.
00:39:09 that is, over the next two years, if Republicans lose both houses. He says, I'll be a blocker,
00:39:14 but that's not exciting. The American people need help.
00:39:17 He's such a student of history, which people don't often credit. He knows the history. There
00:39:22 were two extraordinary circumstances, the Clinton impeachment and 9-11, that allowed a president
00:39:27 to not lose seats in the midterms. But he knows those are the exceptions in the modern era. So
00:39:32 he kind of often will feel a slave to history or a prisoner of history. There's nearly nothing he
00:39:38 can do at the same time people say he doesn't care about the midterms he doesn't like to lose
00:39:42 you know he just he just he just all but i don't think he thinks that's him well i i genuinely
00:39:47 believe trump sees a big delta between the party and i agree that that's his general attitude but
00:39:53 i also believe that he knows that he will be tagged he knows again he knows what happened
00:39:58 when barack obama you know talked about a shellacking he knows what happened uh you know
00:40:02 with the Republican Revolution and Newt Gingrich.
00:40:05 Like, he is aware that even though he might be detached emotionally
00:40:10 and intellectually from it, he's aware that he will be blamed for it.
00:40:14 And he'll be particularly blamed because whether there's exit polls or not,
00:40:19 if there's a shellacking, no one's going to doubt the reasons for it.
00:40:24 No one's going to doubt the reasons for it.
00:40:25 As weak as the Democratic Party is, it's because of the war and gas prices
00:40:30 and ethics and health care.
00:40:33 And those are all going to be laid at his feet. 0.97
00:40:35 And he's not stupid. 0.98
00:40:36 He knows that. 0.52
00:40:37 So I agree with you 100% how detached he is from like the heart.
00:40:41 Like he's not a party man.
00:40:42 He didn't care about the Republican Party per se.
00:40:45 But he doesn't want the next two years and the next few months after the election to 0.99
00:40:50 be in the context of Trump's a loser. 0.92
00:40:53 He just he doesn't want that. 0.98
00:40:55 You know what he should be out there touting?
00:40:57 He should be out there touting judges. That always gets Republicans to the polls.
00:41:02 Good point. And they've confirmed a ton of them.
00:41:05 Exactly. So if the Republicans lose control of the Senate, there goes the judges. There go the
00:41:12 judges because that's Republican appointed, but Senate confirmed. He should be hitting the things.
00:41:17 They used to always run on Roe versus Wade. They can't do that anymore. But judges is a real thing
00:41:22 and a major part of legacy. And he should be hitting that, reminding people it's not just
00:41:26 about this senator annoys me. But who are you going to get with a with a Mary Peltola? We talked 0.54
00:41:35 about her the other day. Oh, my God, this is so funny. So this is the one the woman who's got the
00:41:41 potty mouth and who allegedly was calling people retards and the F word for gays and was making her 0.97
00:41:48 staff feed her crickets i mean her chameleon named meatball live crickets and she's doing okay 0.98
00:41:57 she's actually doing all right what state is she in again why am i blanking on her state
00:42:01 alaska thank you well pod save america weighed in on the controversy this is a new york times
00:42:08 piece taking aim at her it's kind of interesting because she's a she's a democrat who's pulling
00:42:13 ahead is ahead in alaska again she's running against this guy dan sullivan who has the
00:42:18 disadvantage of being yes he's a republican but he's got another guy on the ballot named
00:42:22 dan sullivan thanks to dirty tricks by the dems but anyway here is pod save america's john lovett
00:42:28 who is gay responding to the controversy sorry do i think it's great if a boss uh calls an
00:42:36 employee a no but i think the senate's more important but now we're like no the stakes
00:42:40 are too high, and we've just been through too many rounds of this, and the fact that there are people
00:42:46 that would be working for a Democratic member of Congress who may have been rude and mean at the
00:42:51 darkest moment in her life, by the way, like after experiencing incredible tragedy, and then six
00:42:57 weeks before an election to leak that to the Times, like it's not a, it is a privilege to pretend you
00:43:03 don't have to think about the stakes. Everybody has to think about the stakes, and whether or not
00:43:07 Donald Trump can appoint right-wing anti-choice judges for two years, whether or not we have
00:43:13 genuine investigations in the Senate, like these are the stakes in the election. And there's not a
00:43:18 gay guy from Austin to underneath the docks in Provincetown who wouldn't be happily called a 1.00
00:43:24 guzzling to have a democratic Senate, just a, just a mincing, butt-munching ass pirate. 0.99
00:43:33 and if we have to get mary peltola honestly we could knight her go to find the gayest 1.00
00:43:40 fucking person you can find in this in the state of texas in the state of alaska 1.00
00:43:45 have her kneel and have a sword go to both sides and say you may call us wherever the 1.00
00:43:50 fuck you want mary peltola if you win this seat honestly that should be put on loop by the white 0.99
00:43:57 house to help every republican good use of the word they remind us who they are that he used the 1.00
00:44:03 c word and then guzzling after it casually in conversation and butt munching that's what that's
00:44:10 what his party reminds us is totally fine and passes for normal talk and then it's like i'm
00:44:18 fine trump can say whatever the hell he wants about the negotiations with iran and i'm back
00:44:23 That's how it goes.
00:44:24 I've always liked the word guzzling, like guzzling a beer, guzzling some lemonade.
00:44:28 But I am not going to be using the word guzzling anytime soon.
00:44:31 No, no, I mean, I don't consider myself a prude, but that was a lot to take it.
00:44:36 That guy is a comedian.
00:44:38 I mean, he's a political commentator, but he's also a comedian.
00:44:40 So I think he partly meant it to be a little bit of an overstatement and a joke.
00:44:44 But but that is the attitude of the Democrats.
00:44:47 You know, think of any of them stuck with Graham Plattner until it became just absolutely untenable.
00:44:53 Um, you know, Nazi tattoo guzzling doesn't matter anything to win. And that that's that's an 0.64
00:45:00 empowering thing for a party which has these big divides. You know, the woke wing of the party
00:45:04 is is going to swallow a lot here with some of these candidates in order to say swallow. I know
00:45:10 I did it on purpose. It was innocent. You can bleep it out on a different version.
00:45:15 And what did we hear him say? I mean, I hadn't actually heard the full soundbite until just now.
00:45:21 What did he mention?
00:45:22 He mentioned the two things that you and I have been discussing.
00:45:23 He said anti-choice judges and investigations.
00:45:27 That's what's important to him.
00:45:29 That's why he thinks Democrats need to get to the polls.
00:45:32 The Republicans should listen.
00:45:34 Yes, run that as your ad. 0.89
00:45:37 Show them how disgusting these people are, first and foremost, these far leftists who 0.93
00:45:42 would talk so casually about something. 0.99
00:45:44 By the way, it's not that Republicans are anti-gay.
00:45:47 They're not at all.
00:45:48 But I think they'd prefer not to hear it discussed in those terms.
00:45:50 so casually like it's funny and secondly the promising that they're going to be appointing
00:45:56 pro-choice meaning pro-abortion judges left and right if they gain power or at least stopping
00:46:02 the uh pro-life judges and investigation rama so like it's not that hard why am i saying it like
00:46:09 honestly mark like you know they need to start doing it we're a month out well you're going to
00:46:14 see more negative ads and maybe maybe john levitt will make us into some of them you know you asked
00:46:19 what the Democrats did in 90 to 92 to help Bill Clinton. One thing was they highlighted ethical
00:46:25 challenges to the Bush administration. I think if the Democrats have either chamber or both,
00:46:31 there will be investigations. And I think from a 2028 point of view, how skillfully are they done?
00:46:37 The Democrats have not been particularly skillful in doing hearings, although some people think that
00:46:41 January 6th hearings were well produced. Mostly they haven't been when they've had the ability
00:46:46 to do it. And I think that that could be the biggest issue for 2028 is how do they do
00:46:52 investigations that the country says stop wasting our time? Or do they do investigations that put a
00:46:57 real target on not just President Trump, but his would be successor?
00:47:03 I just think January 6, no one cared. We'd already had an impeachment. We'd had nonstop
00:47:09 media coverage of it. By the time they got to their little, you know, pony show, it was like,
00:47:14 we know what you're doing, fuck off. 1.00
00:47:16 But this other stuff, like investigating 1.00
00:47:18 how much have the pockets been lined
00:47:21 and to what extent and how,
00:47:22 I do think people won't, that might resonate.
00:47:26 Like if they hit on some of the things
00:47:27 you and I have been discussing,
00:47:28 it won't be great for Trump or the Republicans.
00:47:30 They gotta do them well though.
00:47:31 But wait, two final things.
00:47:34 One, I wanted to say,
00:47:35 the Greenland deal actually is very good.
00:47:37 That is very good.
00:47:38 And that's another thing.
00:47:39 No one cares about Greenland exactly,
00:47:40 but we do care about North American security.
00:47:43 when it comes to the rest of the world, and that should be, I think, touted.
00:47:48 Unfortunately, the loss of Latinos is another big thing that's in the negative column that 0.67
00:47:53 we haven't discussed, and it's one of the reasons why you've got this Maria Salazar,
00:48:00 this House member down in Texas who's openly declared war, basically, on Trump.
00:48:05 Why?
00:48:06 Why?
00:48:06 Like, is it that bad?
00:48:08 Why are the Latinos so drastically against Republicans now?
00:48:12 Well, mostly for the reasons that independents are and young people, including young men, are they they're not happy with the nature of the government.
00:48:19 They're not happy with the war. Some aren't happy with the way Epstein was handled.
00:48:23 And in the case of Hispanics, some of them have not liked the ICE and border border enforcement, you know, in Minnesota and elsewhere where the president has waffled on.
00:48:36 is he only going after the worst, the worst, only going after those who've committed additional
00:48:40 crimes, or is he going after everybody? So there's some specialty reasons, and that's what her thing
00:48:45 was about. Her thing was about the border, but there's some specialty things that Hispanic voters 1.00
00:48:49 are upset about, but I would say if you talk to Hispanic voters who voted Republican but now have
00:48:54 drifted either to Democrat or undecided, it's just the same thing as for everybody else. They don't 0.97
00:49:00 understand why we're in a war, why prices are so high. Yeah, that's what we learned when we went
00:49:05 into 2024 is the the reason they were voting for trump is they hated the economy they hated the
00:49:12 inflation and it was one of those oh latinos they're just just like us they have the same
00:49:17 economic concerns they're going to vote based on the same issues but i do think it's interesting
00:49:21 that you have like republicans running to the immigration thing and criticizing ice and saying
00:49:27 like you know there should be more coordination with locals wasn't that the kansas message that
00:49:31 we just saw like no we need to coordinate more with the locals on this it was like from republican
00:49:35 lawmakers so they must be hearing something unless they're just misreading the latino backlash like
00:49:42 but they're like so many politicians often do and think that they're just all about immigration
00:49:46 i think there's some of that but basically and this is we didn't talk about florida you mentioned
00:49:51 it this is the problem is the president's unpopular in florida and kansas and so for a lot of these
00:49:56 republicans they're just looking for an issue whether it's the war immigration uh diesel a
00:50:01 diesel fuel export embargo. They just want to be on the record as saying, I don't agree with Trump
00:50:06 on everything, even if they don't phrase it that way. Because the president's super unpopular.
00:50:10 Florida would be in play, both Senate race and governor's race, except the Florida Republican
00:50:16 Party has so much organization and money and voter registration advantage. But even Florida,
00:50:20 which has been a citadel for the Republican Party, is a problem right now, primarily because
00:50:27 of the president and the unpopularity of both him and his policies.
00:50:31 Not just Florida, but Ohio, too.
00:50:34 That's another thing that should have been read, established read by now.
00:50:37 But there's been some problems there.
00:50:40 Yeah, it's not good.
00:50:41 Even Byron Donalds, who's running for governor down there, there was a news item last week
00:50:44 about how tight that race is and how he had diminished the Trump endorsement on his website.
00:50:49 So there's trouble afoot.
00:50:51 There's trouble in River City, Mark Halperin.
00:50:53 Thanks for keeping us up to date.
00:50:55 Great to see you, Megan.
00:50:55 Thank you.
00:50:56 Check him out.
00:50:56 Next up, Halperin.com.
00:50:59 He's a truth teller.
00:50:59 We'll be right back.
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00:52:38 We have got to talk about Madonna. Is anyone watching the VMAs anymore? They started in 1984
00:52:47 and as someone who was alive then, I can tell you that VMAs would have been relevant at the time
00:52:53 because there was not a lot of TV to choose from, and MTV was very cool.
00:52:59 It was still relatively new.
00:53:02 It was kind of a neat place to see your music played and get to see your favorite singers and artists.
00:53:07 We didn't have social media, so we didn't get a lot of, you know, time looking at them
00:53:12 or seeing them in their natural environment short of a concert
00:53:15 or their unnatural environment, as the case may be.
00:53:18 Anyway, there was a time.
00:53:21 That time has come and gone.
00:53:23 I mean, honestly, who is tuning in to the VMAs,
00:53:28 like the Video Music Awards, whatever.
00:53:30 Nonetheless, we're going to discuss it because, look,
00:53:34 Madonna is an American icon.
00:53:36 She is.
00:53:37 I would never take that away from her.
00:53:38 She's accomplished a lot over her five decades in the public eye. 1.00
00:53:45 And I don't know, I truly, for one, would love to see her be an example of being a badass bitch at age 68 who, after all the years of nonstop sexual titillation or attempts at it, 1.00
00:54:04 somehow finds the courage and inspiration to lean into a new way of exciting us. 0.92
00:54:14 Because let's be honest, I don't think most men out there are feeling really excited about the 0.73
00:54:22 secret possibility of having sex with a post, post, post menopausal woman like Madonna. 0.99
00:54:29 And I'm only saying that because her whole shtick seems to be, have sex with me. 1.00
00:54:34 look how I might be while I'm having sex because she's on the ground writhing with her legs apart 1.00
00:54:40 with hip thrusts. So clearly she wants you to have that image in your head. 1.00
00:54:44 And I am here to tell her that there comes a time when you really should shift the message.
00:54:52 It doesn't mean you can't be sexy at all. It doesn't mean you have to give up wanting action
00:54:58 in your personal life. But this is the problem for aging sex symbols. Women who have decided to make
00:55:05 that, their sexiness, their calling card, they've got a decision to make. You could go like fully 1.00
00:55:14 the other way, like Pam Anderson, which has been, by the way, a smash success. She, I don't think,
00:55:21 has lost the affection of men. I think men who used to want to sleep with her are looking at her 0.91
00:55:26 now is like, I like her. She's cool. They're probably not thinking I want to take her to bed
00:55:31 the way they did back in the barbed wire days. She doesn't wear any makeup now. She looks far
00:55:37 less barbified and she's fine with that. She likes the face in the mirror matching the one 0.76
00:55:43 she sees on Instagram or so she has said publicly. You don't have to go that far. Like I always wear
00:55:51 makeup when I go out in my down days. I think it's in part because I'm just so used to seeing
00:55:56 my face more heavily made up when I do the show. So like to go completely bare, even to me, it's
00:56:01 like weird looking. It's almost like, oh, wow, I'm almost not used to that person, but okay.
00:56:07 Then you could go the full Pam Anderson. My point is simply to try so desperately to stay
00:56:13 in the Sydney Sweeney lane looks just that desperate. It doesn't look attractive. I don't
00:56:21 think it's having the intended effect. And I do think there's an opportunity for her to do kind
00:56:28 of what Pam Anderson did, which is still have men being like, Madonna's cool. Good for her. She found 1.00
00:56:34 a way to redefine herself. That's what she was famous for back in the 80s and the 90s and the 1.00
00:56:40 early aughts, redefining herself, like a brand new way of shocking us or exciting us or getting 1.00
00:56:47 attention. It was always related, though, to something around sexual titillation. And wouldn't
00:56:54 it be the ultimate hat trick? I guess that's not the right term, right? Because that's a hockey
00:56:58 term that I think means something. In any event, wouldn't it be the ultimate trick to do it yet
00:57:04 again without that shit? Because truly, like, okay, she's 68 now. When she's 78, when she's 88, 1.00
00:57:11 do we still play along? When she's 88, if she's able to, like, gyrate on a stage,
00:57:16 Do I need to look at that and say I feel empowered as a woman? Because that does not make me feel empowered at all. At all. I would love, love for Madonna to find a new way of coming out and showing women this is a lane that's available to you at 68. That is me leaning into my fully empowered badass self. I have fucking more money than God. I'm internationally known, first name only. 0.59
00:57:43 I still have my talent such as it is. I mean, she was never known as like a great singer
00:57:48 or even as a great dancer. She was always known as a great entertainer.
00:57:52 Kind of like Paula Abdul, only a lot more famous and more successful. Paula Abdul was in the news
00:58:00 back when she was at her peak as she wanted to be listed in her IRS tax returns as entertainer.
00:58:05 I think that's what Madonna is. I just, whatever. This, what she's doing here is degrading.
00:58:13 She's degrading herself. And I, look, I'm talking about her. I guess maybe she would consider that 0.93
00:58:22 a win. I don't see this as a win. I really don't. I am feeling kind of sorry for her. Like I,
00:58:28 I feel like she, she looks a little sad to me. The whole situation is a little sad.
00:58:34 And I wish her daughter, Lourdes, would step in and say, Mom, you're too cool for this shit. 0.99
00:58:43 Please be the too cool person that I know you can be, like Tina Turner was. 0.99
00:58:48 Tina is a great example.
00:58:50 Tina was never raunchy. 0.58
00:58:51 She was always the picture of class. 1.00
00:58:53 She had on the shake the tail feathers outfits, and she could shake it like nobody's business while she was a great singing talent.
00:59:00 But as she got older, what did she do? 0.99
00:59:03 She still showed off those million-mile legs and the buff arms, and she had the hair, but she was appropriate. 1.00
00:59:13 She wore, like, the leather number, but, like, she wasn't showing off her ass, like, and her badge and the boobs with the nipples all the time. 0.94
00:59:21 Like, I don't—it's just there's a line, and I think to have class is to know where it is. 0.94
00:59:28 one other thing i was saying to my team like having i'm not against facial work i'm sure i
00:59:37 will get a facelift someday um that's fine but i like i think doing it non-stop like to the point
00:59:46 where it's like really obvious which is what i think madonna has done i think she might be at
00:59:52 these two facelifts in, is just weird. You look weird. You look old with a tight face,
01:00:00 an oddly tight face. And clearly she's had enormous lip injections and filler all over
01:00:07 her face. And what that does is make your face look heavy, not youthful. Look at this.
01:00:12 Look at those lips. She had nice, normal lips. And that picture on the left is with liner, 0.99
01:00:18 for sure, and lipstick. And so she had perfectly full lips. Honestly, those lips look literally 0.97
01:00:24 perfect. And now over on screen, right, we are, we have gone the full Kim Kardashian
01:00:29 and look at how heavy her face looks. That's from filler in my view. These claims have not
01:00:36 been evaluated by a doctor, but I'm just saying it looks like it's weighed down the entire face
01:00:43 with filler in the lips, filler in the cheeks.
01:00:46 And she doesn't need that. 0.99
01:00:48 She doesn't need all that.
01:00:51 You know, whatever.
01:00:52 It's just, it's not working.
01:00:55 You don't look at her and say,
01:00:57 no way, I can't believe she's 68.
01:00:59 I think you say she looks 68
01:01:02 and like she's had a ton of work done.
01:01:04 The trick is to get to 68 and look great
01:01:07 and not look like you've had a ton of work done 1.00
01:01:09 like a few ladies who we've pulled for an example. Michelle Pfeiffer, same age. Sharon Stone, 0.80
01:01:19 same age. And Angela Bassett, speaking of Tina Turner, Angela Bassett played Tina in the movie
01:01:27 What's Love Got to Do With It? And they look totally fabulous. Like they don't, they've got
01:01:34 a couple of lines. They look pulled together. Now, I don't know. Maybe they've had, I don't think
01:01:38 Sharon Stone has had a facelift. She's got like actual lines, but she looks great. 1.00
01:01:43 And Sharon Stone had a very serious brain issue. Something, she had like seizures much, 1.00
01:01:49 right after Basic Instinct, it was actually a shocking story where she had massive seizures
01:01:54 and she had a serious brain injury. And I think it's one of the reasons why she didn't make,
01:01:59 you know, her career was on like an incredible trajectory and it slowed a little. I think most
01:02:05 people know who she is. But my point is simply, she's probably not worried so much about getting
01:02:10 surgeries with general anesthesia that can be avoided and so on. Michelle Pfeiffer, she looks,
01:02:16 I mean, stunning. Like literally most of us would do anything to look like Michelle Pfeiffer.
01:02:21 These women are all 68. And look at this. Michelle Pfeiffer looks sexy. She's got a very low cut 0.98
01:02:27 dress on here. It's like not quite down to the navel, but it's well below the breasts. 1.00
01:02:31 but she looks amazing. She looks classy and she hasn't done anything weird to her lips or her
01:02:39 ass. She just looks gorgeous. And I, I think this is, I don't think most like 25 year old men are 0.99
01:02:45 not like, I want to have sex with Michelle Pfeiffer right now. They're probably looking at an old 0.92
01:02:49 tape of her thinking that version. But I think men in general, when you say the word Michelle
01:02:55 Pfeiffer, think beauty, elegance, class, married to David E. Kelly, who is like one of the great
01:03:02 writing talents of our time. And Sharon Stone, same exact analysis. And Angela Bassett, same too.
01:03:11 So anyway, my point is this, is like, I just think this is, you know how like the feminists
01:03:16 are constantly railing about, oh, that's that women back and poor women, this and poor women
01:03:21 that has never appealed to me. But I do think when it comes to female empowerment, the left
01:03:28 continues to praise and celebrate the wrong things. And they are praising and celebrating this,
01:03:35 you know, like, oh, Madonna does it again. She revents the wheel there. They love the
01:03:39 inappropriate sexual behavior on the stage. I don't. I don't. I think it's sending the wrong
01:03:44 message. There needs to be a point in life in 2026 America where women know that the sex appeal 1.00
01:03:55 is not required to be valued. Now, I know for most of us, we enjoy sex appeal and love to see
01:04:06 it in the eyes of our husbands and don't mind it even when a stranger appreciates the way we look
01:04:11 or, you know, whatever. But how long must it be your identifying characteristic, truly? I mean,
01:04:19 Madonna is basically telling us, well into your 60s and beyond. Like, I see that as my value,
01:04:27 even though I probably have a billion dollars, worldwide fame, endless platinum albums, and,
01:04:33 you know, talent that made it all. I just, I object. I wish she would choose something different
01:04:39 in her messaging. So here we get to the problem. She shows up and, um, okay, I guess we'll just
01:04:48 start with the lasers coming out of her and her dancers' asses. Um, there's video of them 1.00
01:04:56 gyrating on the stage, simulating sex acts, you know, with the hips lifting and dropping and
01:05:01 lifting and dropping. And, um, I mean, it's really more of a butt exercise they're simulating if I'm 0.71
01:05:06 being honest, because I don't think most people have sex like, whoa, all over the place with the 0.65
01:05:11 hips to keep them. Don't want a moving target. Someone could get her hurt. Maybe. And in the 0.52
01:05:19 middle of said sex act, then you drop on your lover. I've missed your smile. Astute MK show 0.99
01:05:27 viewers know the reference. And this is how the act went. Okay. With the lasers out the ass.
01:05:36 It's mother. 1.00
01:05:44 Everything will be in the state of consciousness.
01:05:53 So it's all the dancers in like dry ice, dragging each other around, legs out. 0.98
01:06:00 Yeah, I don't know if this is like simulated blowjobs or what. 1.00
01:06:03 But there's lasers coming out of the vag or the ass, and then Madonna also had that. 1.00
01:06:12 And she would later make remarks when she got to the microphone to, like, actually speak, pretending to, like, pull the laser out of her ass and drop it. 1.00
01:06:21 Again, the picture of class. 0.99
01:06:24 Sad.
01:06:25 But that's what she thinks is entertaining.
01:06:27 Then she did—oh, we have that.
01:06:30 Okay, Sat 16.
01:06:31 i'm short but i'm not this short don't make me bow down i've been doing that for too long 0.98
01:06:37 first of all i just want to get this sure sure thing out of my ass just 0.99
01:06:43 it's been in here all night pretending to pull something out of her ass i can party in the park 0.99
01:06:48 i i why are you guys so so far away i'm kind of unclear what this award is for i guess it's 0.98
01:06:56 for this short film.
01:06:57 Wait, hold on.
01:06:58 It's
01:06:59 Confessions to the film.
01:07:01 Okay.
01:07:02 Well,
01:07:02 I feel good
01:07:03 surrounded by people
01:07:05 who like to dance.
01:07:07 I want to thank Torso
01:07:08 for going on this adventure
01:07:11 with me.
01:07:12 Woo!
01:07:14 You guys didn't get my joke,
01:07:15 did you, 1.00
01:07:16 about the laser up my ass? 1.00
01:07:17 Did you get it? 1.00
01:07:18 It was up here all night
01:07:20 and I, yeah,
01:07:21 and then I took it out.
01:07:23 Anyway.
01:07:23 um so she's bombing and she knows she's bombing she has to say you didn't get my joke did you 0.99
01:07:33 i've been bowing down to people for too long what the fuck who you're madonna who have you bowed 1.00
01:07:39 down to give me a break stop trying to act like you're a victim you're not a victim again could 0.99
01:07:45 you could you please try to find a more empowering narrative for age 68 please i'm begging you
01:07:52 then like, I don't think she was drunk. I think she was trying to sound drunk because if you
01:07:58 listen to her, she's hitting her articulation. Like she doesn't in some of the other sots. I 0.98
01:08:03 actually don't think she was wasted. I think she was trying to pretend like she was with the 0.85
01:08:08 you didn't get my joke. I don't even know what I'm getting in the award for.
01:08:15 As my dear, dear friend, Maureen would say, not Callahan, Maureen Walsh from Fox,
01:08:21 my makeup artist. She stinks of desperation. And she does. She stinks of desperation. 1.00
01:08:28 Okay. So then she comes out there to do her thing and actually like sing a song. 1.00
01:08:31 That didn't go so well either because there was no singing. There was only this.
01:08:35 Saten.
01:08:51 Okay. So for the listening audience, first we saw Sabrina Carpenter and then we saw Madonna come out
01:08:58 and Madonna's lyrics kicked in and Madonna wasn't even moving her mouth. So can I say she was
01:09:03 lip syncing? Not really. She wasn't even trying. It was just a fraud upon the audience. I mean,
01:09:09 okay. I guess we're not, no one's shocked. Here's Sat 12. This is her performing
01:09:17 with, I don't know, while Charlie XCX performs. All I know about Charlie XCX is this is the person
01:09:25 who created Brat Summer around Kamala. Of course, Madonna talks about assassinating Trump. We know 0.89
01:09:30 what we're getting here, but take a look. It's not 11. No, 12. It's not 12. 12, 12, 12, 12.
01:09:47 Okay. Donna's in a bathroom stall, grinding aggressively against a guy. Okay, we get it. 1.00
01:09:59 You really want us to picture you having post-menopausal sex. Got it? I guess you do you, 0.99
01:10:06 but see earlier comments. Okay, there's this one, which has been making the rounds everywhere
01:10:14 today. I believe Madonna had butt implants a couple of years ago. She used to have honestly 1.00
01:10:20 like very tight, amazing hamstrings and quads into a very perky, muscular bottom. 1.00
01:10:27 I know because I researched before this show. Then she did something. Now, would you look at 0.99
01:10:34 this before and after? Look at that on the left. She looked great. Her ass looks muscular. So do
01:10:39 her legs. She looks awesome. She looks fit and in shape. I don't know what year this was. Devil 0.61
01:10:43 will tell me. Over here on the right, the legs have lost 2005. The legs have lost the muscle
01:10:49 tone. I mean, I guess that will happen, although I have to say her upper body still looks amazing.
01:10:53 And she's done something to her ass. Now, we saw what I believe were butt implants a couple of 1.00
01:10:59 years ago at a different performance. And then last night, she seems to have added to the situation
01:11:04 by putting actual padding in her pants. Her bloomers was the only word coming to mind. 0.99
01:11:11 you know because they're not like normal underwear it's like the like briefs that 0.99
01:11:17 you'd wear under a cheerleading skirt she was wearing and she was prancing around the stage 0.95
01:11:22 with this. Here it is in SOP 13. Okay. It doesn't look good. She just wants us talking about her,
01:11:43 which I'm complying with, but I just, you know, again, how is this hot, attractive,
01:11:50 sexy. It just telegraphs needy to me. Needy. I got to move on. I've spent enough time on her.
01:11:59 We got to talk about Naomi Watts. Naomi Watts appeared at a fashion award thing over, well, 0.65
01:12:10 it was actually a couple of weeks ago. I think it happened on September 11th. We were all dealing
01:12:13 with other things. And she, oh, was it Milan Fashion Week? Okay. So she went and she brought
01:12:21 her son. And her son is named Kai and he is a gender confused young man because he is masquerading 0.99
01:12:31 as a girl. And this is the picture that's been everywhere this weekend. What you see is a man
01:12:40 pretending to be a woman. He's young. I think he's like maybe 18. He's got the long blonde hair. 0.98
01:12:47 He has eyes that look like what you would put your child in if you wanted them to be a ghost
01:12:53 for Halloween. You might put them in a white sheet and then make the eyes in big circles,
01:12:58 like well below the eye and above it in like black makeup, navy or black makeup.
01:13:05 And that's Kai's look.
01:13:08 So this is a boy pretending to be a girl.
01:13:12 And I have to tell you, I find this so sad. 0.54
01:13:15 They had their son right around the same time we had ours.
01:13:21 You know, my sweet Yates just turned 17 on Friday.
01:13:25 And in New York, I was working at Fox at the time.
01:13:29 I was very, very busy.
01:13:30 and you can hire something called a baby nurse
01:13:33 to help you with your baby when he's very young.
01:13:37 And we had talked to
01:13:39 and had a relationship with for a short time
01:13:43 a baby nurse who knew the family.
01:13:45 And honestly, I had nothing but excitement for them too.
01:13:49 They had a baby boy right around the time
01:13:50 when we had a baby boy.
01:13:52 And I was thrilled for her
01:13:53 and I thought they were an adorable couple.
01:13:54 She's married to, was, Liev Schreiber.
01:13:58 And this is what happened with their boy. It's very sad. Like, it's it's very sad to me that they allowed their son to get caught up in the gender madness that is contagious in New York.
01:14:13 The audience will recall we pulled our children from the New York City schools because they were trying to shove it down the throats of all of our children who had zero gender confusion, but not for lack of trying by the schools.
01:14:25 And this is what can happen if you don't intervene and if when your child, you know, almost invariably persuaded by some forum on Reddit or a teacher gets swept up into this and you are told by the psychiatric community to affirm, affirm, affirm, affirm.
01:14:43 And I'm just going to tell you, Kai Schreiber did not look so happy in those photos.
01:14:49 And I don't think Kai Schreiber is likely to have a happy existence because none of them does.
01:14:58 It's, you know, nine times out of ten, these folks wind up very angry, embittered, confrontational, entitled.
01:15:06 Not everybody.
01:15:08 Caitlyn Jenner seems absolutely lovely.
01:15:10 So there are exceptions to the rule,
01:15:12 but why would you gamble with your child's mental health?
01:15:16 Now, it's possible that they just didn't understand
01:15:18 because I've lived that same parenting arc
01:15:21 where when our kids were very young,
01:15:25 people weren't talking about this issue.
01:15:27 And as you know from even my past coverage
01:15:29 of the trans issue back in, you know, 17, 18,
01:15:34 for most of that time, we were told, just be kind.
01:15:36 You know, they're getting bullied.
01:15:38 There's a very, very small percentage
01:15:39 who are genuinely gender confused, they deserve our support. I was sucked in by that. I didn't 1.00
01:15:45 have a gender confused child, but I'm just saying maybe they fell victim to a society that was 0.95
01:15:53 starting to embrace this without question. And now it's too late, but I feel terribly for them
01:16:00 all. I do. Now they're divorced too, by the way, Naomi and Liev Schreiber. I think she remarried.
01:16:06 Didn't she remarry another famous dude?
01:16:09 Can't remember who, but she did.
01:16:11 Okay, moving on.
01:16:13 Speaking of the trans issue,
01:16:16 Elliot Page, formerly known as Ellen Page, star of Juno,
01:16:21 is gracing the cover of New York Magazine right now
01:16:24 because it's celebrating men's health?
01:16:30 Men's?
01:16:31 Look at this, speaking of sad.
01:16:33 I almost cannot look at this. Honestly, I'm not saying this to be mean. I'm just being honest.
01:16:41 I'm repulsed by what I see there. I am genuinely repulsed by the body mutilation that this
01:16:48 beautiful young woman has done to herself and the masquerading she's doing before the world
01:16:56 and her own mirror. And the fact that New York Magazine wants us to celebrate this as an example
01:17:03 of men's health is abhorrent.
01:17:08 It's deeply offensive. 1.00
01:17:09 This is the opposite of men's anything. 1.00
01:17:12 This is an example of a woman's illness, 1.00
01:17:17 mental illness, to be exact. 0.98
01:17:20 That's why it was in the DSM-IV,
01:17:22 now we're in the V, and so on.
01:17:26 This is not to be celebrated.
01:17:28 And New York Magazine,
01:17:29 you are doing something very dangerous
01:17:30 by putting this person on the cover
01:17:33 in an effort to celebrate what she has done to her body and her breasts,
01:17:38 which will never look male.
01:17:41 And all you need to do is hear Elliot Page speak,
01:17:46 and you will hear what is clearly a manipulated voice,
01:17:51 a voice that's been so testosterone-ed up,
01:17:55 it will never sound female again, but it will never be male either.
01:17:59 It's stuck in some in-between that's only deeply disturbing.
01:18:05 They think they're being woke and tolerant. 1.00
01:18:08 What they're actually being is dangerous, dangerous to other young people who have been swept up or are considering getting swept up in this ideology who now see, oh, look, you get celebrated on the cover of New York Magazine for this shit. 0.99
01:18:25 You don't get shamed. 0.99
01:18:26 You don't get ignored.
01:18:27 You get celebrated as an example.
01:18:29 I find this disgusting. I really, really wish that Elliot Page would get the help he obviously,
01:18:37 she obviously so desperately deserves and needs. I think that ship has sailed.
01:18:45 Okay, let's move on to, well, I think we should talk about Tom and Giselle next,
01:18:50 because Tom Brady and Giselle are in the news today because there's a book that's coming out
01:18:55 about them. It's a book by Lars Anderson titled Brady, an American story and the price of
01:19:01 greatness. Now, I don't know Lars Anderson, but I do find some of these excerpts very interesting
01:19:08 and very telling as reprinted in the Daily Mail. The picture he's painting in this excerpt is of
01:19:17 a woman who desperately wanted more time with her husband and the father of her children and was
01:19:25 repeatedly denied. And I will tell you, based on my own sources, and I do have good ones,
01:19:31 that's exactly right. I've reported this before on this show, that she wanted him to be a husband
01:19:39 and a father. And this is where the reporting splits, because Lars seems to be reporting that,
01:19:47 well, yes, Tom was all football, and I've said that too, but that, and he wouldn't give her the
01:19:53 time with her that she wanted. My own reporting is that he was not all football. He was all football
01:20:00 during the days. But Tom Brady, even when he was married to Giselle, liked to go out and party a
01:20:07 lot. Maybe not while football season was going on or before a big game. But I mean, I know plenty of
01:20:13 people and I know where he was going. And this was one of her objections, I have been told by a
01:20:23 hanging out in clubs and out late carousing with dudes in, you know, bars, etc.
01:20:33 She wanted him to be home with her.
01:20:35 She's a Brazilian. 1.00
01:20:37 These tend to be very traditional women and wives. 1.00
01:20:40 I know a lot of Brazilian women. 0.98
01:20:42 They don't, and honestly, it's a Latina thing, too. 1.00
01:20:45 South American, they love their husbands and they want actual husbands. 1.00
01:20:51 They want actual husbands.
01:20:52 And my information is Tom Brady really wasn't interested, even though Giselle was his wife.
01:20:58 The reporting of Lars Anderson is interesting, though. What Lars is reporting is that she went
01:21:06 to him and begged him, begged him to spend more time with her. So this is what Lars reports.
01:21:13 In 2017, minutes after Tom Brady had just masterminded the greatest comeback in NFL
01:21:18 history to win his sixth Super Bowl, Giselle and their two children ran onto the field to celebrate.
01:21:24 But the first words Giselle said to her husband of eight years had nothing to do with the game
01:21:28 and everything to do with the future. Quote, would now be the perfect time to retire. Brady did not
01:21:34 know what to say. He hugged his wife and acted as if he had not heard the question. Later that night
01:21:40 in Houston, as the team celebrated, Giselle pressed her husband a second time. Brady was
01:21:44 unresponsive. After a third attempt, he finally answered, too bad, babe. I'm having too much fun
01:21:50 right now. Giselle went for a more direct approach the following year in 2018, days after Brady and
01:21:58 the New England Patriots had suffered a gut-wrenching Super Bowl loss to the Eagles. Giselle wrote her
01:22:03 husband a letter, serious, handwritten. I'm reading here. She explained that their marriage was not
01:22:09 working. She needed more of him, more of his time, more of his attention, more of his heart.
01:22:13 She needed him to be present when he was at home,
01:22:15 not responding to text messages
01:22:17 on his constantly buzzing cell phone
01:22:19 or replaying a game in his mind.
01:22:21 She needed more help with the kids. 0.85
01:22:23 She needed the chance to sleep in just a few days a week. 0.95
01:22:26 Presumably this is when their kids were younger. 0.99
01:22:29 She needed more time for her own career.
01:22:32 The couple went to marriage counseling,
01:22:34 but Brady eventually filed the heartfelt letter in a drawer.
01:22:38 In early 2020, the family relocated to Florida
01:22:40 when Brady signed for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
01:22:43 Think about being married to Tom,
01:22:45 said one of his friends, a former NFL player.
01:22:47 The guy gets up at the crack of dawn,
01:22:48 thinks all day about a game that's foreign to his wife,
01:22:50 comes home and is in bed each night by nine.
01:22:54 Again, that's not true.
01:22:56 Maybe before a game, but trust me, no.
01:23:02 Okay, by nine, he can't really eat out
01:23:04 or go out without causing a scene. 1.00
01:23:07 Everything he puts in his mouth tastes like shit. 1.00
01:23:09 That's also not true. 1.00
01:23:10 I know one of their chefs. 1.00
01:23:12 The whole lifestyle had to be getting tiresome for Giselle. 1.00
01:23:16 Worried that enrolling their young children at a new school would be too much change, 0.94
01:23:21 Giselle committed to homeschooling Benny and Vivian in Tampa.
01:23:24 We were only going to stay for a year, she said.
01:23:26 One turned to two.
01:23:28 On February 1st, he announced the verdict.
01:23:30 At the age of 44 and after 22 years in professional football, his NFL career was over.
01:23:34 That decision lasted 40 days.
01:23:38 On March 13th, Brady announced he would return for a 23rd season.
01:23:41 He set his sights on an eighth Super Bowl win.
01:23:43 Quote, I've realized my place is still on the field and not in the stands.
01:23:46 That time will come, but it's not now.
01:23:50 At first, Giselle made the right noises, expressing public support for the decision.
01:23:53 I don't think relationships just happen.
01:23:55 It's never the fairy tale people want it to believe it is, she said that summer.
01:23:59 When you love someone, you don't put them in a jail and say you have to live this life.
01:24:03 You set them free to be who they are.
01:24:06 And they said that July, when he showed up for training camp, he looked gaunt, cadaverous
01:24:12 is the word.
01:24:13 People worried he was ill.
01:24:14 He had lost 20 pounds.
01:24:16 That was a lot of weight to lose off of his frame.
01:24:20 And people knew he was very stressed.
01:24:22 He looked like a cancer patient, said one.
01:24:24 Seemed miserable. 0.93
01:24:26 And they say they believe he was upset about his failing marriage.
01:24:30 In truth, writes Lars, Giselle had been so upset at Brady's U-turn that she had flown
01:24:34 off to Costa Rica.
01:24:36 With just six months left in his football career,
01:24:38 the bond he and Giselle had was flickering out
01:24:40 like a match in a strong gust of wind,
01:24:43 the fragile illusion of forever now fast fading.
01:24:47 The frantic nearly two-week effort to rescue his marriage,
01:24:50 which is another detail, had failed.
01:24:53 Those close to Brady feared the countdown to divorce was on,
01:24:56 but Brady remained utterly captivated by Giselle,
01:24:59 still lost in the enchantment of her.
01:25:01 Tom was an empty shell of who he was when he got back.
01:25:04 There was no joy. Everything was hard work. Tom was FaceTiming with Giselle during the day between
01:25:11 meetings, checking to see if she needed anything. These were normal conversations. She seemed happy.
01:25:16 Then one day, Giselle, who was really into astrology, basically looked into the stars and
01:25:21 told Tom, we are not compatible. And just like that, she was done. Brady and Giselle announced
01:25:27 their divorce on October 28th, 2022, after 13 years of marriage. In February 25, she gave birth
01:25:33 to her third child, her first, with boyfriend Joaquin Valente, her former jiu-jitsu instructor.
01:25:39 According to one of Brady's friends, he was absolutely stung that she'd become pregnant
01:25:42 just two years later after their divorce. Just over a month after the birth, he shared a photo
01:25:47 of himself on Insta. In the color photograph, Brady's right arm is extended and a ball has
01:25:52 spiraled out of his hand. He is silhouetted by the sunset's golden glow. Underneath, Brady wrote,
01:25:58 true love. To those who knew him well, there was no ambiguity. As one friend described it,
01:26:02 that was the softest middle finger. Presumably the true love being football and not his wife.
01:26:10 I mean, you might mention your children there. I mean, unless they're actually not of football for
01:26:19 you. And perhaps they're not. Because when Giselle was asking Tom to stay home with her and their
01:26:27 children, and he was allegedly saying no, if football was too important to him, he was having
01:26:34 too much fun, he was saying no to time with his kids too. He was saying no to helping raise them
01:26:41 in a more active way. I've seen Tom with his kids, and I think he's a loving, good father.
01:26:48 I do. I just think football has been his number one love, as that Instagram post seemed to suggest.
01:26:56 and I think it's really sad that he met this amazing dynamic woman who's by the by the way
01:27:02 like in the beginning I think her money dwarfed his if you're a top supermodel in the world you're
01:27:07 making hundreds of millions of dollars you know question Giselle was she's been the number one
01:27:12 supermodel in the world for a long time I don't know if she is today but she was for a very long
01:27:15 time and not until he got his deal with Fox I think did he start making hundreds of millions
01:27:21 of dollars a year. Though what do I know? Because he had endorsement deals and all that. And I'm
01:27:26 sure the numbers were huge all along. The point is simply what might have been, you know, what
01:27:31 might have been if they could have found a way between his enormous career and hers to actually
01:27:36 raise the kids in a more active, present way. Maybe their marriage could have been saved.
01:27:42 Maybe the kids would have had more access to this superstar that America loves. And then I'm sure
01:27:47 more than his biggest, most diehard fans they wanted access to.
01:27:53 It's sad to me, something to be considered before you get married
01:27:56 and really before you have the children.
01:28:00 And on that front, she's responsible as well.
01:28:02 She knew what she was marrying.
01:28:04 He was not projecting stay-at-home dad vibes.
01:28:08 And, you know, it was an enormous request to basically ask him to give up his career
01:28:15 because unlike Giselle's career,
01:28:17 NFL football cannot be done part-time.
01:28:20 Cannot.
01:28:21 Modeling can, but NFL football cannot.
01:28:24 And I'm sure the children receive many, many benefits
01:28:27 as a result of their dad being Tom Brady
01:28:29 and being one of the most celebrated athletes in the world.
01:28:33 But all of this is very sad to me
01:28:34 because I just think of a loving wife
01:28:37 who was asking to actually share her life with a husband
01:28:41 and could not get a yes.
01:28:43 And on that front, my reporting has dovetailed with this reporting here, so it was not a surprise to me.
01:28:50 Okay, when we come back, the moment of the weekend, this guy Verlander on the pitcher's mound for Detroit.
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01:32:23 All right. Before we get to the nice moment, I've got to spend one minute on those morons 1.00
01:32:30 over at The View. So during Friday's show, Joy Behar was apparently discussing a clip from some 0.99
01:32:37 podcast in which the host recommended giving your inner critic a man's name so you are less prone to
01:32:45 listen to it. This is how liberals think. Men are the devil, and therefore you name your inner
01:32:51 critic something that's male, and then you'll just disregard it because, you know, all liberal 0.99
01:32:57 women disregard everything men say. I mean, I think most conservative women would say this, 0.55
01:33:03 this won't work on me. I actually love and listen to my husband and he loves and listens to me.
01:33:09 This is why liberal women are so unhappy. That's why they don't, they don't get married. When they 1.00
01:33:13 do get married, they're unhappy. They're not having sex. It's like all the whole thing.
01:33:16 You shouldn't take relationship advice from Joy Behar or the podcast that she follows.
01:33:21 In any event, the table goes around and it comes around to Sonny Hostin.
01:33:28 And would you listen to her answer?
01:33:30 I don't have this sort of negative self-talk going on in my head.
01:33:34 The world already tries to tell me what I can and cannot say and what I can and cannot do.
01:33:39 And as a black woman in the United States, I don't have that sort of thing going on in my mind
01:33:46 because I'm criticized constantly and I have to, my average has to be excellent.
01:33:52 So I don't participate in that.
01:33:57 Wow.
01:33:58 Even that audience could only manage a smattering. 1.00
01:34:02 As a black woman in America, her average has to be excellent because of all the racists. 0.72
01:34:07 Obviously, that is what she's saying. 0.79
01:34:09 This country that she thinks is so racist has made her a multimillionaire.
01:34:13 She lives in one of the nicest homes in Westchester.
01:34:17 Her son went to Harvard, and I think the daughter went to some hoity-toity school as well.
01:34:22 She sent them to a high school, according to her, called Ethical Culture, which is $60,000 or $70,000 a year right now.
01:34:31 It is, Doug and I toured that school when we were looking for, speaking of my children, when we were looking for our eldest.
01:34:38 Because unlike Nicole Hannah-Jones, we actually wanted him to go to a great school.
01:34:42 And in Manhattan, you're rolling the dice.
01:34:45 So we didn't know anything about the schools and we did tour ethical culture.
01:34:48 And when we walked out, I said to Doug, this would be a great school for Rachel Maddow's children.
01:34:55 It was so woke and over the top.
01:34:58 There were about 10,000 posters, gut privilege, check it, on the walls.
01:35:03 It is known for how woke and annoying it is.
01:35:05 And this is the same school that she says she sent her her kids there and that they got treated by a bunch of racists like it was a racist school. 1.00
01:35:16 Bullshit. Zero chance. That's true. 1.00
01:35:18 But my point is simply her kids had the best educations, both at the undergraduate and K through 12 level and allegedly at the college level.
01:35:27 I don't think Harvard's the best place you can go, but a lot of people do.
01:35:31 Then she becomes a federal prosecutor. 0.72
01:35:35 Absolutely no discrimination in that process. 0.97
01:35:38 She becomes, you know, what she wanted to be.
01:35:40 Goes to law school, of course. 1.00
01:35:42 And then parlays that into a television career that makes her millions and gives her this amazing lifestyle. 1.00
01:35:48 And she wants you to know that this is a fucking racist country that she has demanded she'd be perfect, excellent, because she's black. 0.99
01:35:57 So she has to be, oh, this is so tiresome. 1.00
01:36:00 And by the way, she's lamenting that the Internet says nasty things about her. 0.96
01:36:05 She's criticized constantly. 0.80
01:36:07 She says, hello, Sonny, it's called being a public figure in America.
01:36:11 Grow up.
01:36:12 Grow up.
01:36:14 As I always point out, some of us have been on the cover of the National Enquirer as, and I quote, the country's most hated mom.
01:36:23 Okay, that is one teeny tiny drip of the ocean of negativity you could get around my career.
01:36:29 My life is a public figure.
01:36:31 But in a simple Google search, stop bitching about it all the time.
01:36:35 Just stop.
01:36:36 It's part of the job.
01:36:38 Grow up and act like you've been there.
01:36:40 Okay, moving on to the nice story.
01:36:43 Justin Verlander.
01:36:45 He is 43 years old.
01:36:47 I got to read the background because, of course, I know nothing about him.
01:36:50 One of the most accomplished MLB pitchers of his generation.
01:36:52 2005, began his career with the Detroit Tigers.
01:36:55 Three-time Cy Young Award winner.
01:36:57 2011 American League MVP, 10-time All-Star,
01:37:01 two-time World Series champ with the Houston Astros,
01:37:04 where he played for a while.
01:37:06 Per MLB.com, he finished with 3,554 career strikeouts,
01:37:10 the eighth most in MLB history.
01:37:13 That's amazing.
01:37:14 Played for the Tigers, Astros, and the Mets.
01:37:16 How about the Mets and the San Francisco Giants
01:37:19 and was finishing his career off with Detroit again.
01:37:22 In 2012, he met model Kate Upton while filming a commercial connected to MLB.
01:37:31 In 2014, they began dating.
01:37:36 She showed up to a baseball game.
01:37:38 He was playing for Detroit against the Yankees, and this moment was caught on cam.
01:37:45 That is the lovely Kate Upton and Justin Verlander tossing her baseball.
01:37:51 and, oh, it's got to be love.
01:38:02 And a big, big Tiger fan.
01:38:05 She's adorable.
01:38:06 She's very pretty.
01:38:07 She was parlayed into international stardom 0.97
01:38:11 thanks to Carl's Jr.,
01:38:12 which ran an ad with her, which we have.
01:38:17 I got a fever.
01:38:19 Inflammation, that's what I got
01:38:23 Eating the big burger.
01:38:28 And she looks very turned on by it.
01:38:31 And she has on fishnet stocking.
01:38:33 And a very low cut little shirt.
01:38:39 And a garter belt.
01:38:41 And very large breasts, which appear kind of sweaty.
01:38:43 pepper jack cheese and spicy santa fe sauce and now she's lying down unhooking the garter belt 0.96
01:38:50 and taking the stockings down with her burger and now she's bending over the classic just got
01:38:55 a whole lot hotter okay now that worked that ad worked madonna that's you can get away with that
01:39:10 when you're Kate Upton, not 68 years old at the VMAs. But in any event, they got married. So this
01:39:16 guy's got it all. He marries Kate Upton. He's MLB's MVP and winning World Series and 10-time
01:39:24 all-star and all, like, incredible, incredible the number of things that this guy had on his resume.
01:39:30 And then he added to that two children. Daughter Genevieve, born in November of 2018, and seven
01:39:38 years later, they welcomed a second daughter, Bellamy, in June of 2025. Well, he decided this
01:39:44 past July that he was going to retire, writing on X about how he was fully committed when he
01:39:51 re-signed with Detroit, but things were starting to go south on his body, and he realized this
01:39:57 season had to be his last, and wrote, it's fitting that I get to finish where it all started with the
01:40:03 Detroit Tigers. So he goes out to Saturday's game. And the moment came where he was basically,
01:40:13 I think they were pulling him from the mound. And forgive me this part I'm sketchy on, but I think
01:40:18 they sent like his coach out or somebody out to sort of tell him, okay, you know, you're coming
01:40:22 off the mound. And everybody knew this meant it would be his last time on the mound as a professional
01:40:28 MLB player, which was storied and emotional for the obvious reasons. And as that coach
01:40:35 walked out, his daughter, Genevieve, ran to the mound. Let's watch it. 0.99
01:40:43 He's going to get Justin Verlander's daughter, Genevieve.
01:40:58 He's holding her tightly and clearly proud.
01:41:05 He's completely bent over her at the top of her head.
01:41:08 He's shaking.
01:41:10 He's clearly sobbing.
01:41:14 Now he hugs the coach.
01:41:16 His fans are going wild.
01:41:18 All the other players come over.
01:41:21 And Genevieve walks him off the mound, off the field.
01:41:25 of all the pitches he threw
01:41:30 from 60 feet 6 inches
01:41:32 the speed 0.99
01:41:35 at which she ran out
01:41:38 to the mound
01:41:39 might be the most important thing
01:41:42 we've seen today
01:41:44 he's hugging his wife
01:41:50 and their baby too
01:41:51 and Genevieve Zimmer as well
01:41:53 Nailed it.
01:41:59 Well done, sir.
01:42:02 What a beautiful way to end your professional baseball career.
01:42:06 Surrounded by your loved ones, your teammates, your fans who got you started, your coach,
01:42:13 and your babe, your little girl, who actually will have her father around as she grows up,
01:42:22 the majority of her adolescence, whose baby will have her father around for her entire life,
01:42:29 God willing, and your wife, who loves you and supported your career for all these years,
01:42:35 and probably, much like Giselle, will be thrilled to have more of him at home.
01:42:41 That is a life well-led, Justin.
01:42:46 I tip my hat to you.
01:42:47 Clearly, you have the love of your family.
01:42:49 Let's watch quickly Sot 8, him, or what is it, Sot 22 after the game.
01:42:54 Justin, just thinking about your daughter again, she's at a great age because she's
01:42:57 going to remember all of the stuff that's happening, but as she gets older, what do
01:43:02 you want her to understand about why all of this matters to you the way it does?
01:43:08 I mean, you commit your life to something.
01:43:11 I've been a baseball player since I was five years old.
01:43:16 I gave everything for this.
01:43:17 I left home.
01:43:19 She's in school, and I wasn't there.
01:43:30 It's just a level of commitment it takes to be great at something, you know?
01:43:35 And I hope she understands.
01:43:37 She means the world to me.
01:43:38 My family means the world to me.
01:43:41 And I'm just so happy that it's, I mean, I'm happy that I get the opportunity now to make up for lost time.
01:43:50 Good for him.
01:43:52 His little girl's, I think she's seven, about to turn eight.
01:43:55 And he hasn't missed it.
01:43:58 He hasn't missed it.
01:43:59 He can still be there in a very meaningful way.
01:44:02 And she's still in their house.
01:44:04 And I can feel his pain thinking about what he did miss those first seven years.
01:44:08 but good for him for making a smart decision.
01:44:11 Sounds like both for his team
01:44:13 but definitely for his family.
01:44:15 There's no greater commitment
01:44:16 than to the children you bring into this world.
01:44:19 God bless them.
01:44:21 Tomorrow, very excited to bring you Dr. Sean O'Meara,
01:44:24 the man behind RFKJ's diet and J.D. Vance's.
01:44:28 We'll see him tomorrow.
01:44:30 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.
01:44:31 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.
01:44:38 Thank you.