The Megyn Kelly Show - September 29, 2026


The Secret to the "Living Diet," Cutting Down "Visceral" Fat, and Why Fermented Food is So Healthy, with Dr. Sean O'Mara | Ep. 1408

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00:01:42 for you today. All right, let me tell you how this came down. So I love RFKJ and I heard that
00:01:54 he was doing this very strange diet. It sounded very strange to me. It was all meats and quote
00:02:00 ferments. And I wasn't even sure what a ferment was. I mean, I knew sauerkraut was fermented,
00:02:06 but honestly, beyond that, I had no idea. Well, there's a whole school of things that are called
00:02:12 ferments or that you can ferment. And it's a vast category of eating that may be available to you
00:02:18 if you are so interested. And this diet he was pursuing is basically meat, preferably grass-fed,
00:02:26 grass-finished red meat with ferments, period, pretty much period, a couple other things.
00:02:33 And then one thing led to another, and I found out J.D. Vance was on this diet, too.
00:02:38 Then eventually the Wall Street Journal did a piece on it and said that Sean Duffy, the transportation secretary, was on this diet.
00:02:43 And then it said Howard Lutnick, the commerce secretary.
00:02:46 I'm like, what is this?
00:02:48 Who is behind this?
00:02:50 And it turns out it's a guy who's a former lawyer, now doctor, and retired U.S. Army colonel named Dr. Sean O'Mara.
00:02:59 Now, he is a physician.
00:03:00 He's an expert in metabolic health, and his big focus is something called visceral fat,
00:03:09 okay, and also human performance optimization.
00:03:13 He believes that you can get better, not just get older, that you do not have to go on a
00:03:19 downward slide as you go into more advanced age, that you actually can get better and
00:03:24 better, that you actually can grow more hair on your head if you want, that you can be
00:03:30 at your strongest. And by the way, the exercise piece of this is totally doable and does not
00:03:36 require you to be at spin soul cycle classes nonstop. All right. It's a meat and microbes
00:03:43 diet. It pairs nutrient dense animal meat with fermented foods, but you got to be okay eating
00:03:50 pretty much just that. And all sorts of other things that will optimize your humanity,
00:03:59 you as a human. It's not about losing weight. It's about losing visceral fat, which is around
00:04:06 your organs. And you can have this even if you look thin on the outside. So I said to my team,
00:04:13 can you book this guy? Let's book this, Dr. Sean. I want to know more about this.
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00:04:49 Well, he was looking for something very different from what the computer was looking for,
00:04:55 and he was looking at visceral fat.
00:04:58 And let's just say I didn't get an A, all right?
00:05:01 And the word toffee was used, thin outside, fat inside.
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00:06:50 Doc, great to see you, Sean. Wonderful to have you.
00:06:52 Yeah, great to be here, Megan. Thank you so much for having me.
00:06:55 We're going to go through it all because you and I went to the store together. I took a picture of
00:07:00 the ingredients we bought. I mean, we've gotten to know each other pretty well over the past few
00:07:03 days. So let's just start with a little background on you because for kicks, I was looking through
00:07:09 your Instagram and back in 2016, you were definitely talking about wellness, but you
00:07:13 weren't yet on this. So how did you get to the point where you're like, I've got it. I know what
00:07:20 I need to do to eliminate this fat. So my background was, I was a former criminal prosecutor.
00:07:27 And then I decided I wanted to go to medical school.
00:07:30 I was disillusioned with the practice of law.
00:07:32 I really didn't feel like I could make the choices that I wanted to make as a professional.
00:07:37 And so I went back to medical school.
00:07:40 I went to school.
00:07:41 I had to actually take a bunch of college courses to be able to get into medical school
00:07:45 just to apply.
00:07:47 And when I became a physician, I got a scholarship through the Army.
00:07:52 I practiced like a typical physician.
00:07:54 I took care of people in emergency rooms.
00:07:57 That was my formal training.
00:08:00 And people fell apart and they came into the ER.
00:08:03 Lots of bad things happened to them.
00:08:05 But those bad things were slowly happening to me.
00:08:08 And I met this young guy in the hospital gym.
00:08:11 And he was in great shape.
00:08:13 And I was just complaining about what most people complain about, getting heavy.
00:08:19 I was fat and I wanted to lose weight.
00:08:21 So he told me, do the paleo diet, eat fermented foods, start sprinting outdoors.
00:08:27 So I did those things and I did lose weight.
00:08:31 Previously, I was drinking skim milk with Hershey's chocolate powder in the emergency room with a gallon of skim milk.
00:08:39 That's what I thought was healthy.
00:08:40 And I was eating apples.
00:08:42 I wasn't losing any weight and I just got sick of skim milk with chocolate and apples, wasn't losing weight.
00:08:49 But when I started eating these fermented foods and when I started to sprint, then I lost weight.
00:08:55 But the other thing was, I didn't, nobody told me this, but I had had high blood pressure.
00:09:02 I had atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease.
00:09:04 I had erectile dysfunction.
00:09:06 I had a enlarged prostate that I would have to wake up five times the night to pee. 0.78
00:09:13 I had to put toilet paper in my underpants.
00:09:17 I mean, this is embarrassing to me.
00:09:18 I was 48, but I was draining liquid at the age of urine, at the age of 48, and it was
00:09:26 humiliating, and I suffered in silence.
00:09:29 The urologist couldn't help me.
00:09:31 I was really desperate, and when I started eating these fermented foods and started to
00:09:36 sprint, I didn't have any expectation that I was going to get any better.
00:09:42 I just thought I was going to lose weight.
00:09:43 The other thing I had was precancerous lesions around my esophagus, so I had a condition
00:09:48 in my esophagus called Barrett's esophagus
00:09:52 that were these precancerous changes
00:09:55 in the cell type lining in my esophagus.
00:09:58 So heartburn, years of suffering heartburn,
00:10:00 taking all this medicine.
00:10:02 It all went away in about one year
00:10:04 from eating these foods.
00:10:07 And I was astounded.
00:10:10 I mean, I was mad.
00:10:11 I was upset that none of my medical training
00:10:14 did anything for me to help me get better.
00:10:16 And so I remember consciously making a decision morally and professionally that I had to investigate for the sake of my own understanding and moreover for patients because I couldn't see anything in the Internet.
00:10:29 There was nothing in my medical training that explained how my erectile dysfunction, how my prostate shrank, how I went from peeing five times a night in the middle of the night to nothing, and how those precancerous lesions went away.
00:10:43 My gastroenterologist couldn't explain it.
00:10:45 He says, you've been cured.
00:10:47 I've never seen this.
00:10:48 And you were like, it's all thanks to Patrick.
00:10:50 Yeah.
00:10:51 Do you know Patrick?
00:10:53 Well, I was attributing it at that time
00:10:56 to this young man who taught me to eat this paleo food.
00:11:00 But lots of people were doing this before I was really,
00:11:07 I think, giving it a try.
00:11:09 This is about 2009.
00:11:11 And so because I changed so much, I became a researcher.
00:11:15 so i made a sacrifice i had five kids we're this catholic family i was sending my kids to
00:11:22 to catholic schools and i cut back to working part-time while i volunteered full-time doing
00:11:29 research for the national science foundation so it was taxpayer money nsf is funded by the taxpayer
00:11:35 and um it was it's one of the great things that goes on in government that they can fund some
00:11:41 really important science. And one of them was my research project that I did with a colleague who
00:11:46 is Dr. C.J. Zeng. And he was the one that taught me first about visceral fat. And so we targeted
00:11:52 visceral fat. He had been doing research for the University of Washington, looking at atherosclerotic
00:11:57 cardiovascular disease. And he knows the people that had the most amount of disease had this white 0.99
00:12:02 stuff. He called it white stuff inside the abdomen. And he's got this thick Chinese accent.
00:12:06 And he said, what is all this white stuff? So I said, what is all this white stuff?
00:12:10 and he investigated and he figured out it was visceral fat and so he and i set up a research
00:12:16 practice we apply for funding through the national science foundation we studied cj and i studied for
00:12:23 seven years full-time visceral fat fat around the heart and then fat within the legs volunteering
00:12:29 cj and i never took a penny we both did this full-time and it was an enormous sacrifice you
00:12:37 know for my family professionally to to to do this but it allowed me to see for seven years 1.00
00:12:44 megan this dangerous fat that nobody else was talking about it wasn't taught in medical schools 1.00
00:12:50 it's not part of the curriculum in medical schools and it's not part of the curriculum of training
00:12:56 for resident physicians when they graduate from medical school you start specializing
00:13:01 either in cardiology or gastroenterology
00:13:04 or in my case, emergency medicine
00:13:06 or some other variant of surgery.
00:13:09 None of those specialties train physicians
00:13:12 to look at this fat.
00:13:14 You never hear it mentioned at your annual physical, et cetera.
00:13:18 No, they talk about cholesterol, other things.
00:13:21 But when we started studying it in 6,000 Americans,
00:13:26 we noticed when we got rid of that fat and told them,
00:13:29 we learned how to get rid of it we had an mri scanner we were scanning people sometimes every
00:13:35 single day we learned how to target that fat and get rid of it we noticed they got better are they
00:13:41 they're all their other chronic disease that they're emitting to arthritis bursitis erectile
00:13:47 dysfunction dermatitis eczema all these conditions in fact every form of chronic disease in those
00:13:55 6,000 Americans. We never found one that didn't get better or go completely away, depending on
00:14:02 how long they were eliminating this visceral fat. It went on for seven years. And so it became my
00:14:10 life mission. I'm like, I'm going to share with America how to get rid of chronic disease because
00:14:17 it not only allowed people to get better and eliminate chronic disease, but they end up
00:14:23 looking better and performing better.
00:14:25 And then I got excited because I thought,
00:14:27 well, you know, corporations are going to find out
00:14:30 about visceral fat because they're going to want
00:14:32 their employees to have a wellness program 1.00
00:14:34 that eliminates visceral fat so they perform better.
00:14:37 Productivity would go up.
00:14:38 You know, they would reduce their healthcare costs
00:14:42 that many corporations are burdened by.
00:14:45 The second highest amount of cost to a corporation
00:14:48 behind salaries and wages is actually healthcare costs
00:14:52 for a self-insured company and so it gives me great hope that america uh will eventually embrace
00:15:00 this even even though it's not taught yet in medical schools the corporations are going to
00:15:05 find out about it and they'll say by golly we're going to pay for visceral fat education and
00:15:11 elimination our employees so that productivity goes up and what a great what a great objective
00:15:17 I mean, think about improving productivity across America.
00:15:21 We in America are to blame for chronic disease because we introduce processed foods and then we spread it all over the globe, leading to disease all over our lifestyles and our diet.
00:15:34 We need to redeem ourselves and share these insights about this dangerous disease, this disease process that for the most part, nobody has any idea that they have inside of them.
00:15:47 Can you tell us about the coroner who called you?
00:15:51 Yes.
00:15:52 So after being on social media and sharing about visceral fat,
00:15:57 a coroner pathologist reached out to me, was doing autopsies
00:16:01 and studying histopathology of tissues under microscopes.
00:16:06 And she goes, before I found you on the internet,
00:16:09 I thought I was the only doctor in the world that had figured out
00:16:13 that all this fat inside of people, visceral fat,
00:16:16 was causing all this disease.
00:16:18 She would do autopsies and she noticed the ones
00:16:20 that died from chronic disease had all this fat inside
00:16:25 and the ones that had beautiful arteries,
00:16:28 beautiful muscle, beautiful tissue,
00:16:31 and were killed tragically in a car wreck,
00:16:34 had none of that.
00:16:35 They didn't have that amount of disease.
00:16:37 So she realized on her own, just her eyes,
00:16:40 she's a great scientist.
00:16:42 And doctors who pay attention to things that develop can see the association of this disease
00:16:49 because it's not taught in medical school.
00:16:51 However, there are over 25,000 published studies on visceral fat showing its association disease.
00:17:01 It is definitely documented and known in the literature, but it's kept out of the lives
00:17:06 of doctors.
00:17:08 And if you don't believe me,
00:17:09 ask all your doctors to tell you about visceral fat,
00:17:13 ask them to show you visceral fat on your MRI scan.
00:17:18 It's the largest thing in your body
00:17:21 and they won't even be able to point to it.
00:17:23 And you don't know how much you have
00:17:26 just based on your outside fat.
00:17:29 Like you can be a toffee where you're thin.
00:17:33 People would say, what do you mean?
00:17:34 and it's not a diet like i'm going to lose weight diet it's a way of life but it it could you could
00:17:41 be covered in it and not know if you haven't had this mri testing and the scary thing megan and
00:17:46 you sharing that is the people that are topies like yourself that have very little fat on the
00:17:52 outside and otherwise look seemingly healthy and attractive and everybody says oh megan you're
00:17:59 greats and and uh so and so you're great but meanwhile they have this disease inside and 0.58
00:18:04 they have a higher level of mortality than the patently heavy obese person why well as it turns
00:18:13 out this fat that's on the outside of your your body is made up of a particular type of fat called
00:18:18 superficial subcutaneous fat and it's abbreviated ssat and this superficial subcutaneous fat
00:18:26 has a molecule in it called adiponectin.
00:18:30 And adiponectin is protective against disease.
00:18:33 So what does society teach us?
00:18:36 This explains so much about my lineage.
00:18:38 My mom, my nana, they're both. 0.98
00:18:40 My nana was always overweight. 1.00
00:18:41 She lived to 101.
00:18:42 My mom, she loves when I tell everybody 1.00
00:18:44 that she's been overweight her whole life.
00:18:46 She's 85.
00:18:47 Yeah, but I'm thin, but I'm toffee.
00:18:51 Keep going.
00:18:52 And so society teaches you that you need to be thin and glamorous and to have a six-pack.
00:18:58 But the reality, I think I'm the only physician except for physicians that train with me and learn about these fat depots and learn that the relationship, as you eliminate that fat on your body and then you proudly display a six-pack, you are accelerating your exposure to disease.
00:19:15 And we see higher amounts of fat around the heart.
00:19:18 We see more visceral fat, more fat in the muscles.
00:19:21 And the bodybuilders, you know, are also championing this.
00:19:26 They die young a lot, the bodybuilders.
00:19:28 They do.
00:19:29 The latest study came out from sudden cardiac death shows that in just amateur bodybuilders,
00:19:35 their rate of mortality from sudden cardiac death is 10 to 15 times that of an average person.
00:19:42 These are ostensibly healthy people lifting weights.
00:19:45 But if you're a professional bodybuilder, even more aggressive about eliminating that fat, your risk for mortality for sudden cardiac death is 90 to 180 times greater.
00:20:02 So I call it like what it is.
00:20:05 It's the most dangerous sport and profession in the world is bodybuilding at a professional level in terms of what it does to your health. 0.99
00:20:13 But the scary thing is a lot of women are getting involved in that, and there's CrossFit. 0.61
00:20:19 And I see a lot of female clients that come to me and people online have shared how they fell into this body image of having a six-pack like the guys.
00:20:30 And then they confided to me that it gave them a dude face.
00:20:34 They got a masculine-looking face, and their voices became emasculated.
00:20:40 They weren't as attractive.
00:20:42 And if your audience just goes on the internet and starts looking for photographs, Googling or using AI to find photographs of women with six-packs abs, very often their faces are cut off or their faces are blocked.
00:20:57 But if you see their faces, they're not as attractive.
00:21:00 And women have written to me that they've had procedures where they've had tummy tucks and liposuction and they've removed the fat on their abdomen trying to get that sculptured look.
00:21:12 And then they express regret because it changed their face.
00:21:15 They're not telling women that they lose their pretty faces.
00:21:19 And women need to have attractive faces. 1.00
00:21:22 Women influence culture, and they have a role in society, and their face plays a role. 1.00
00:21:29 And so does a man, but it's a little different way.
00:21:31 But all the studies show that attractive people, people who are deemed attractive by whatever your societal standards are, do better in life.
00:21:38 They get more attention.
00:21:39 They get more money.
00:21:40 I don't know.
00:21:41 it's just they do they use that to use that term and i know you don't like influence they're better
00:21:46 influencers and so by that term i mean their ability to help whoever they're dealing with
00:21:54 understand the information that they're trying to convey so for example you are healthy your
00:22:00 level of fat was way lower than most people most average people you do have disease inside of you
00:22:06 But because you have a lower amount and you have the best amount I have actually seen of any social media podcast hosts that I've ever been with and done this before.
00:22:16 So you're at the top.
00:22:18 You definitely have some areas to work with, and we'll work on that area together.
00:22:22 But your ability to influence your audience is predicated on your face and your body.
00:22:28 And the signal that it sends is—
00:22:30 And my brain.
00:22:30 And your brain to be able to articulate those words.
00:22:34 But your appearance says, I hunt well, and I can help you hunt well and live better.
00:22:41 I can get us a bison.
00:22:43 Yes.
00:22:43 Come with me.
00:22:45 Yes.
00:22:45 And people want, biologically, they don't understand, your audience doesn't really understand how wired their brains are to pay attention to the appearance of people and their performance so that they can live better.
00:23:00 And what you're saying is that-
00:23:02 Everyone can get there.
00:23:03 You actually can get more attractive.
00:23:06 A hundred percent.
00:23:07 Like I said, potentially with more hair.
00:23:09 These claims have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.
00:23:13 Consult your own doctor.
00:23:14 But I've seen it.
00:23:16 I've seen it in you.
00:23:16 I've seen it on your Insta.
00:23:17 I've seen it on your phone.
00:23:18 We've talked about numerous cases.
00:23:21 Even thin people can get more shredded.
00:23:24 Like you can see the muscles come out, but not like obnoxiously, but just more ripped.
00:23:29 And the biggest benefit, I think, well, I would argue, on top of just being healthier or you're going to live longer, ideally, is you feel better.
00:23:41 You have been making the case, Kennedy has made the case, you feel much more mentally acute.
00:23:47 So what's happening there?
00:23:49 So as people eliminate disease, the disease process includes better, improved blood flow.
00:23:56 So our arteries are diseased.
00:23:58 I mean, they teach us in medical school and in physician training to feel for pulses.
00:24:03 You should actually see pulses.
00:24:06 Your arteries should be so clear.
00:24:08 You were showing me that.
00:24:09 We were at the store together.
00:24:10 You held out your arm, just sticking your arm out to the side.
00:24:13 And you were showing me, I could see your pulse in the crook of your arm there.
00:24:17 I mean, you just held it up, and there it was.
00:24:19 Every time you did it, I saw it.
00:24:21 Yeah, it's a great marker of health, better perfusion.
00:24:25 So when your blood flow is better, your brain is better.
00:24:28 And so you become more articulate.
00:24:30 You can access information in your brain and do better arguments.
00:24:34 So this is a desirable feature.
00:24:36 So lots of recently senators and congressmen, politicians have been finding out about this.
00:24:43 And so I work with quite a few of them now to help them improve their performance.
00:24:48 You got a lot of work to do.
00:24:50 It's a rich field.
00:24:52 A long haul.
00:24:54 Yes.
00:24:54 All right. So now let's go through it because the number one thing I'm thinking that the audience wants to know, because it was the number one thing I wanted to know when I heard about this was, what about LDL? You eat red meat all day and we'll talk about it, but like some dairy and cheeses and eggs, like actual eggs with yolks.
00:25:16 And, you know, we can all feel our cholesterol going up, which every doctor on Earth, the American Heart Association, do a Google search on this, will all tell you if it's high, it's going to kill you.
00:25:28 That's a bad thing to have go up.
00:25:30 The LDL, the HDL is the good stuff, so the higher numbers there are okay.
00:25:34 It's the LDL that they want us to worry about and they're putting us on statins about.
00:25:37 And, like, every doctor says that.
00:25:39 So what about the LDL?
00:25:40 So LDL is the darling of not just cardiologists, but really mainstream medicine.
00:25:47 Physicians tout it.
00:25:49 And so virtually every conversation you have with your doctor is dominated by discussion of cholesterol and LDL and these markers and metrics associated with it.
00:25:59 However, keep in mind LDL, cholesterol, these are natural molecules that are made in your body.
00:26:10 Your body utilizes cholesterol, needs cholesterol, makes it to create cell membranes, to build hormones.
00:26:18 You can't even have a hormone without cholesterol.
00:26:21 So just from the premise that we're giving medicine to try to lower something that your body is making should give people a little pause and wonder if that's the very best strategy that we ought to be having our conversations with providers dominated by.
00:26:38 But here's my opinion. I really think the discussion about cholesterol and LDL has been hijacked and really engineered socially by the powers to be in the system.
00:26:53 And I don't want to get into conspiratorial kind of discussions, but the system that is behind the largest part of economy, which is health care, it dwarfs oil.
00:27:03 You know, oil is nothing compared to health care.
00:27:07 And by the way, it's increasing at about twice the rate of our GPI.
00:27:13 So basically, if you're smart with numbers, we are medically bankrupt as a nation because
00:27:18 a chronic disease keeps going up.
00:27:20 And meanwhile, the system is profiting from it.
00:27:24 It's a small number.
00:27:25 I'd like to figure out where all that pots of money are going that is leveraging and
00:27:31 profiting from the disease of not just Americans, but our entire species. And this is a phenomena
00:27:38 that goes all over the country. So cholesterol is the wrong thing to pay attention to. There
00:27:42 are 8 billion people. Name one person. If anybody in this show listening today can find the one
00:27:48 person that ever optimized their level of cholesterol or the LDL and enjoyed any health
00:27:55 benefit it's a new it's a change in a number but it doesn't eradicate disease it doesn't really
00:28:02 have any strong benefit the president of the american uh college of cardiology dropped to the
00:28:08 the ground on on a stage in san francisco san francisco i think it was like three years ago
00:28:14 when they had their meeting uh of cardiologists and i had a heart attack oh no i mean really
00:28:21 the president of the college of cardiology okay has a heart attack and by the way the average
00:28:29 person that has a heart attack has normal levels of cholesterol so why are we spending so much time
00:28:36 money effort on cholesterol well here's here's my opinion because if the something more useful came
00:28:42 out like disease ld on cholesterol is not disease visceral fat is disease it's structural disease
00:28:50 you can measure it. It doesn't change in a few seconds or minutes. It's reflective of your
00:28:56 lifestyle. So your report card really goes to how much of this fat do you have inside this disease?
00:29:02 So let's not just call it fat. The better way is to be scientific and educated about this.
00:29:08 Not all fat is the same. There's unbelievably dangerous fat, disease fat, like visceral fat
00:29:15 and heart fat and fat in your muscles.
00:29:17 And there's unbelievably beneficial fat,
00:29:20 like superficial subcutaneous fat.
00:29:23 And by golly, Sean O'Meara wants the people to know
00:29:28 that there is a big difference.
00:29:29 And to understand those two differences,
00:29:32 that's your report card.
00:29:34 I'm a health optimizing physician.
00:29:36 That's my specialty.
00:29:37 I've left working in emergency medicine.
00:29:40 I work with people that wanna look better
00:29:42 and perform better and function better.
00:29:44 And I could follow any metric in the world, but I don't follow LDI and cholesterol.
00:29:50 I follow these disease processes because nothing in my seven years of research and since I've been doing it now for 13 years have I found that's more valuable for a human being to work on, to improve how they look, how they perform, how they live, than getting rid of this disease.
00:30:09 And so it's high time that it gets added back or gets added into the curriculums of medical schools.
00:30:16 And by the way, the curriculums of medical schools in America are followed around the world.
00:30:23 I mean, we have carried this concealment of this disease process to all the medical schools around the country.
00:30:32 You know, the country, it's not like you go to, you know, physicians in India or Bangladesh or Qatar, know anything about this.
00:30:40 They don't.
00:30:41 It's like I'm having that thought again.
00:30:44 Somebody wake me up from this nightmare.
00:30:46 Nobody knows about this unless they actually are researchers and start studying it.
00:30:51 And the big difference is we didn't just research it.
00:30:54 We didn't just see how bad it was.
00:30:57 We figured out how to get rid of it.
00:30:59 And then it was like the surprise of my life.
00:31:01 people got really good looking and they performed better i just thought they would get healthy
00:31:06 how naive i was i just thought they you know would lose you're making america hot again
00:31:11 yes i mean i even went to a modeling agency and they said you know i said you know if your your
00:31:18 models find out about visceral fat though their careers will last longer and it's terrible they
00:31:24 held up a stack of resumes this thing and said well when they don't look good we got all these 1.00
00:31:29 new girls that are coming in to replace it. I was so sad. I'm looking forward to watching
00:31:34 Bobby Kennedy and JD Vance and Howard Lutnick get hotter. Yeah. And you know, they, they are
00:31:41 becoming healthier looking and, and because they're becoming healthier looking, they're
00:31:46 becoming more, um, better performing and better influencers. So, so I'll say this. I, so I, you
00:31:52 and I have talked about this. My audience knows my dad died of a heart attack at age 45 in 1985.
00:31:58 85. So I've lived my whole life since age 15, worried about having a heart attack young.
00:32:04 And it's scary to me to do anything that's going to jack up my LDL just because of the
00:32:10 conventional wisdom I've been raised on. All the doctors say the one thing, but now more and more
00:32:15 functional medicine doctors are saying we have put way too much emphasis on that number of LDL.
00:32:20 And there's even a split. I know Peter Atiyah worries about LDL, but like my hormones doctor
00:32:25 doesn't worry about it at all. She's much more worried about protecting my brain with my hormones
00:32:29 and cholesterol protects your brains and so on. So it's just, there's a split. So you and I talked
00:32:35 about my own comfort level is to try it. I actually, I am in the midst of trying it and
00:32:41 plan to continue. And then some measure of months in, maybe three months we said, possibly I'll go
00:32:47 back to my cardiologist who I see every year for a stress test and a scan of my arteries.
00:32:52 so he can see what the fatty buildup is on the walls
00:32:55 and I will see where it is.
00:32:57 So I like, for me, that's good
00:32:59 because then I'll be able to look inside.
00:33:01 We'll do the MRI again
00:33:02 and we'll see if the visceral fat has gone down.
00:33:04 But I'll also take a peek inside with a cardiologist
00:33:06 just to make sure nothing catastrophic is happening
00:33:10 and people should consider that if they wanna try this
00:33:12 because both measurements would be good to have.
00:33:16 Absolutely.
00:33:16 So maybe it would be good to actually show a picture
00:33:19 this this heart fat for people to actually see so maybe i can put it in the camera get a better view
00:33:25 but this image and i think uh your editors will put these images in show three different hearts
00:33:32 and you can see that the top image is from a 28 year old that died from a motor vehicle accident
00:33:38 okay good and uh and then the middle image shows a picture of somebody who's uh i think 38 who um
00:33:46 died from a heart attack.
00:33:48 And you can see half their heart is covered with fat.
00:33:51 The image on the top is barely has any fat around it at all.
00:33:55 Where's the fat on the second heart there?
00:33:57 In the yellow.
00:33:58 So all that yellow is fat around versus the top image.
00:34:02 They have just a little bit of fat around the arteries.
00:34:05 Oh, for the listening audience,
00:34:06 the entire front of the heart is in yellow.
00:34:09 Yes.
00:34:10 It's covered in fat.
00:34:11 Yes.
00:34:12 And the bottom image-
00:34:13 Oh, what's the bottom image?
00:34:14 There's not a single area on the heart.
00:34:16 The bottom image looks like a beef wellington fat in the heart.
00:34:20 And the scary thing is, Megan, I haven't had a single 50-year-old or older ever come to me that didn't have an image like the bottom one.
00:34:30 And nobody knows this is going on.
00:34:32 So how do you think your heart can function with all that inflammatory fat surrounding it?
00:34:37 So what I do is I image that fat and I show people.
00:34:41 Losing fat on your body through a diet or exercise
00:34:45 does not mean the reduction of visceral fat?
00:34:48 No, so you said it best in the beginning.
00:34:51 It's, we're not talking about,
00:34:52 I don't promote just losing weight.
00:34:55 I promote losing visceral fat
00:34:57 or what I like to say, lose disease.
00:34:59 You don't wanna lose weight.
00:35:00 Yeah, I don't need to lose weight.
00:35:01 You wanna lose disease.
00:35:03 Yeah.
00:35:03 And what we find out is when people lose weight
00:35:06 and they lose disease,
00:35:09 that they actually put on healthier tissues.
00:35:12 So look at this 87-year-old guy.
00:35:15 Maybe the screenshot,
00:35:16 they can take another screenshot of that.
00:35:19 And maybe I have to move the-
00:35:21 We'll improve it on the post-game.
00:35:23 But in the image,
00:35:25 visceral fat shows up as white in the bottom.
00:35:28 And so his atom is pushing up this 87-year-old man.
00:35:32 His belly is bulging, yep.
00:35:35 And then to his right,
00:35:36 you see how flat his atom got?
00:35:37 He lost so much visceral fat.
00:35:39 He no longer had a dad bod laying down on the table when he's going to the MRI.
00:35:44 He now has a flat abdomen.
00:35:46 But the dark structures that are around his side right here are the oblique muscles.
00:35:53 On the side image right there is the oblique muscles.
00:35:57 And so his oblique muscles got bigger, 40%.
00:36:01 He's 87 years old.
00:36:03 Wow.
00:36:03 He didn't take testosterone.
00:36:05 He didn't take peptides.
00:36:06 He didn't take stem cells.
00:36:08 He didn't take any hormones at all.
00:36:10 He built muscle and got rid of disease and he's 87 years old.
00:36:15 So what I like to tell people is our ancestors, you talked about, you're going to lead the
00:36:21 hunt.
00:36:21 You use that expression.
00:36:23 Our ancestors in the past, the oldest women and the oldest men, the very best led the
00:36:29 hunt.
00:36:29 They led the fight.
00:36:30 They led the tribe because they had two things.
00:36:34 Gray hair, which is connoted for wisdom and experience.
00:36:39 Megyn Kelly today knows way more than Megyn Kelly when she was 20.
00:36:44 And so that's why you lead this show and you lead so many Americans because of that experience.
00:36:50 The future of professional sports will be football players in the NFL who are in their 50s and 60s will be the highest paid.
00:37:00 Because we're going to get rid of disease that they don't know about right now, and they'll actually perform better.
00:37:08 So a really cool kind of a story is take a look at this football player who just came to me this past week.
00:37:17 He has a chronic disease that is Parkinson's, and he's very open about his Parkinson's.
00:37:26 Oh, I know who this is.
00:37:27 This is Brett Favre, and he gave me permission to share.
00:37:31 I don't talk about my clients.
00:37:33 Everybody loves Brett.
00:37:35 And Brett is attacking his Parkinson's.
00:37:39 And now he's attacking it by trying out a limiting visceral fact.
00:37:43 All those 6,000 people, I didn't have any Parkinson's.
00:37:46 So I went on the internet a couple weeks ago to my ex-community.
00:37:52 I said, does anybody know Brett Favre?
00:37:54 And all my community reached out.
00:37:56 Some of them knew them and they went to Brett.
00:38:00 And so Brett came to me and he's working on getting rid of his Parkinson's by eliminating
00:38:05 his visceral fat and optimizing his microbiome.
00:38:08 And just so people know, like I was, there's a gal, Jordan Peterson's daughter, Michaela
00:38:13 Peterson.
00:38:13 She has been all over YouTube for the past several years talking about how in her case,
00:38:18 I think she said she had bipolar and she also had an autoimmune disease and some other problems.
00:38:25 and she seems very sensitive to things like molds
00:38:28 and certain foods and so on.
00:38:30 Long story short, she wound up going beef only, beef only.
00:38:35 Just like an elimination diet
00:38:37 and she stayed on it for, I think, eight years.
00:38:40 Now that's not your diet or your way of eating,
00:38:42 but it's like a sister in a way
00:38:44 and she eliminated all of those problems.
00:38:47 Like she got rid of bipolar by eating just meat
00:38:52 and her autoimmune issues by eating just meat.
00:38:56 So it's like, it is pretty remarkable
00:38:58 because some people may be thinking
00:38:59 you can't cure Parkinson's with diet,
00:39:01 but I'm not sure we know that's true.
00:39:05 Yeah, so what it turns out, I think,
00:39:07 and there was a study that just came out this week
00:39:09 supporting that, that microbes
00:39:12 inside our gastrointestinal tract,
00:39:14 which amount to our microbiome,
00:39:17 this collection of species of microbes,
00:39:19 again, not well taught in medical school,
00:39:21 but at least is addressed and it's emerging a lot more.
00:39:25 These microbes have been found
00:39:27 to be associated with Parkinson's.
00:39:29 And moreover, there was a study
00:39:31 that just came out about four months ago
00:39:33 where they were doing fecal microbiota transplants,
00:39:37 where they take some feces from super healthy humans,
00:39:41 transplant it into people that had Parkinson's,
00:39:43 and it was reversing their motor deficits.
00:39:46 That means how they move, how they walk,
00:39:49 their capacity for motor movement of their muscles.
00:39:52 So Parkinson's is a disease that has a very strong impact.
00:39:57 So, but it's not just Parkinson's.
00:40:00 The microbiome is ultimately going to play an enormous role
00:40:04 that we're gonna find out in many areas of chronic disease,
00:40:09 disease that afflicts human beings.
00:40:11 That makes so much sense if you look back
00:40:12 to what we've been doing to ourselves
00:40:14 with the processed food.
00:40:15 Right.
00:40:15 And also the over-prescription of antibiotics
00:40:18 where we just absolutely destroy our microbiome
00:40:21 and then go along our merry way
00:40:22 without thinking much about it,
00:40:23 maybe take a probiotic, that's it.
00:40:25 But we're not actively building up
00:40:27 the variety of good bugs that your diet
00:40:31 with the ferments in particular will provide.
00:40:33 Exactly, so to your point about the carnivore diet, 0.97
00:40:37 which Michaela Peterson promotes and does, 0.97
00:40:40 her version is the lion diet, just eating meat and salt. 0.88
00:40:45 I think she was eating specifically ruminant meat
00:40:47 like land yes yes and so what's ruminant ruminant is means uh animals with rumens and that's really
00:40:55 interesting because they have a special type of uh you can think of a specialized stomach that they
00:41:01 eat vegetation and they ferment it oh so fermenting vegetables unlike like chickens and swine pork
00:41:10 they don't have rumens. So this fermentation takes place, and fermentation is going to be-
00:41:18 You love fermentation.
00:41:19 I do. I mean, I love Secretary Kennedy because he put in our national guidelines. God bless this man.
00:41:27 I don't know of a politician that did something more important than Secretary Kennedy.
00:41:33 Putting in fermented foods, recommending it to Americans, and also to emphasize the microbiome.
00:41:39 These are going to have enormous contributions to our country if Americans adopt this and listen to this great leader.
00:41:49 Wait, I completely agree. Love him. But you are going to make the point. Michaela Peterson is doing the lion diet. So she's with ruminant meat and salt. That's not this diet, though, because you allow more than ruminant.
00:42:02 No. So ruminant meat, this red meat, does help because it's eliminating processed foods.
00:42:10 So you don't eat any processed foods and also vegetables.
00:42:15 So what we're finding out, now hold on, everybody's going to get upset at me, particularly plant-based.
00:42:20 I take care of people that are vegans, okay, and I get them well.
00:42:24 But there are certain nutrients and certain elements inside plants that I would describe
00:42:31 as microtoxins, okay?
00:42:33 They're just small little things like lectins and oxalates and phthalates and saponins, and
00:42:39 we're learning more about them all the time.
00:42:40 So there is anecdotally, people that go on the carnivore diet, like you said, are eliminating
00:42:47 autoimmune disorders, not in mass, not everybody does it.
00:42:51 but enough people to create what we call a signal.
00:42:55 A signal is something that has some sort of effect,
00:42:59 either good or bad.
00:43:01 So there is a positive signal we see
00:43:03 when vegetables are cut back and there's more red meat,
00:43:07 but you want to eat the healthiest form
00:43:09 of red meat possible.
00:43:11 But I advocate meat and microbes,
00:43:14 like you talked about in the beginning,
00:43:15 I call it the living diet,
00:43:17 because when you add in fermented foods to your diet,
00:43:21 you're actually eating extraordinarily different
00:43:25 than you've ever eaten in your lifetime.
00:43:28 You're now eating food that's alive with these living microbes.
00:43:32 And I want America to know,
00:43:34 stop thinking that germs are always bad.
00:43:39 The reason you have obesity and you're overweight
00:43:43 is you have an untreated infection inside of you.
00:43:47 You have microbes inside you, ladies and gentlemen,
00:43:52 that is causing you to crave ice cream and cookies. 0.94
00:43:55 That's not you.
00:43:56 You don't lack willpower, you're infected.
00:43:59 And big pharma knows that this works,
00:44:02 but they're not gonna treat the underlying infection
00:44:05 because, you know, a Zempic and GLP meds
00:44:08 are making a ton of money out there.
00:44:10 But as soon as you stop taking it,
00:44:12 Every study shows that obesity returns, weight gain, disease gain, let's call it for what
00:44:18 it is.
00:44:18 It's not just weight.
00:44:19 You're not putting back on muscle.
00:44:21 In fact, you put on disease when you stop those medicines.
00:44:24 You return to a greater level of disease, it looks like, than where you were when you
00:44:29 started.
00:44:29 And so this disease process begins because they never treated the underlying infection.
00:44:35 If you want to get better, start eating fermented foods.
00:44:38 learn about the microbiome like secretary kennedy said and get get oh these fermented foods into
00:44:47 your diet eat them together with the food you eat secretary kennedy goes to meetings and
00:44:52 presentations and talks about co-mastication of fermented foods together with meat but you can
00:44:58 meaning you're chewing chewing them together that's one thing i didn't realize just in reading
00:45:02 up about the diet you're supposed to put this grass-fed and grass grass finished we'll get into
00:45:08 that beef in your mouth at the same time as the ferment and you eat them together. If you look at
00:45:15 Sean's average plate, the way he eats, it's like, and I think the New York Magazine described it as
00:45:21 dropping a steak in the middle of an artist's palate. And I think that's a good description
00:45:25 actually, because you've got the beef in the middle and then all around the beef, you've got
00:45:29 not just one ferment. It's not like a dab of sauerkraut. It's like dab of sauerkraut, dab of
00:45:34 kimchi, a dab of fermented beets, a dab of kefir, kefir, whatever you say that, a dab of yogurt.
00:45:42 And you want us to cut off the beef, a piece of it, and dunk it in several of those.
00:45:49 Correct.
00:45:49 And then eat them together simultaneously, each bite.
00:45:53 When we study the microbiome, one of the attributes and characteristics of a healthy
00:45:58 microbiome, which means the person, the host is healthier, is alpha diversity and beta diversity.
00:46:04 So they have a greater variety of species of microbes inside of them.
00:46:09 And those species of microbes, when they're more diverse, empower the human to have better
00:46:17 resources.
00:46:18 So these microbes improve your immunity.
00:46:21 They help you fight disease.
00:46:22 They create peptides and signals that improve your level of health and your functioning
00:46:28 and your performance.
00:46:29 So really, it's something that the average consumer needs to find out about, but you want to strengthen your diversity of your microbiome by eating a variety.
00:46:39 One of the worst things you can do, it's a very elementary form of approaching the microbiome in fermented foods, is just eat one brand of sauerkraut, one little jar.
00:46:52 You want to eat about – in my refrigerator, I have about 20 to 30 different varieties of fermented foods, and I'm always adding to them.
00:47:02 And when I travel and I go to different areas like I did up here, I get the local ferments in this area because we are maybe professionals.
00:47:13 You're a journalist.
00:47:15 I'm a physician, but biologically, we're all hunter-gatherers.
00:47:20 And so we would roam following migratory patterns of animals.
00:47:24 And when we roamed, we would collect the microbes in that area when we drank the water from the streams, rivers, and lakes 50,000 years ago.
00:47:33 And when we hunted those animals, the microbes from that animal literally were transferred to us in two ways.
00:47:43 We would process that meat, field dressing, and there was no disinfectant, Megan.
00:47:48 We didn't have sterilized USDA-inspected facilities where meat was processed.
00:47:56 The microbes from the fur of the animal and the gut of that animal were transferred to the meat.
00:48:01 We would eat it, and it would empower us.
00:48:05 And our ancestors were so vigilant and so observant, like my coroner friend, Dr. Rosales, who picked up this visceral fat inside people cause disease.
00:48:17 our ancestors picked up that the healthiest bison made us healthier and better performing.
00:48:24 And when you took that skin off that animal and you put it into another human being to wear his
00:48:30 clothing, they got better. But if you hunted like a lame animal, an animal that was like a downer
00:48:37 or something, you know, like predators hunt, whatever's easy, the old and the lame, we have
00:48:41 cortex we we we have higher levels of thinking we can learn patterns so we saw that the most
00:48:48 majestic animals you know in a herd conferred through the skin made humans better or if you
00:48:55 hunted the the lower ones it made you worse our ancestors could pick up on that and that's why
00:49:01 adornment became popular i think and to this day people would pay pay attention to clothes because
00:49:08 biologically we would see this really oppressive animal fur and say, oh my God, she must be a
00:49:18 mighty hunter. Look at that skin, you know, animal fur that she wears on her clothing, or 1.00
00:49:24 she must be very important to somebody who conferred that majestic animal skin to her.
00:49:32 And so we have this legacy of adornment, but today it's very different. You see,
00:49:37 you can go buy that and you could you could be a you know i hate to use this term a loser and you 0.94
00:49:42 could go buy you know fancy clothes and you think you're better made by your clothes in the old days
00:49:48 it literally made you better and it was a sign of accomplishment but today we've lost that but
00:49:54 you so but so you're you started this by saying you go when you travel and you get the ferments
00:49:58 from the local towns because the the more wide and variety you can introduce the better um when
00:50:05 it comes to the ferments, but I, I like, before we get to the specifics of the diet and I got
00:50:11 ahead of us, like, I want to talk about like the bare minimum, because I was reading up on you in
00:50:17 addition to our interviews that are behind the scenes talks. And it seems like the number one
00:50:22 thing, if you want to do like the mini, mini Sean O'Mara, you would eliminate every processed food
00:50:29 from your life. Like I would, that is not negotiable. I would. You're going to do the baby
00:50:33 hey, Sean, you are going to do that. And I'm so glad you asked that question. So if you're
00:50:37 listening today and you're wondering, how do I get started? We'll take a look at this one
00:50:41 particular study we did for the National Science Foundation. So this is the first time in the
00:50:48 history of humanity this was done. And it's the only time in the history of humanity this was
00:50:54 done and see the red it all goes away in 35 weeks substantially and the dark muscles grew
00:51:03 so they lost visceral fat they grew muscle in 35 weeks and are you ready for this the only thing
00:51:11 they did was they cut out processed foods wow they didn't add in anything else they didn't even
00:51:16 add fermented foods it was one man who was he was a 70 year old man who was a ceo of a company
00:51:24 and he did not exercise, ready for this, one minute.
00:51:28 All he did was cut out processed foods.
00:51:29 All he did, cut out processed foods.
00:51:30 And got rid of a ton of visceral fat.
00:51:32 Yes, so right now, millions of people are gonna see this
00:51:35 and there'll be a few people in the processed food industry
00:51:38 that are gonna get so mad that the cat is out of the bag
00:51:42 right now for millions of people to realize
00:51:44 how destructive processed foods are
00:51:47 and just how much you improve
00:51:49 when you eliminate processed foods.
00:51:51 So that's a mini Dr. Sean.
00:51:52 out there and you're saying, I cannot, I cannot eat like this. I can't just do beef and ferments
00:51:57 for the rest of my life. You can, you can get rid of processed food. Just that's the baby Sean
00:52:04 O'Mara. It is. However, there is a question about what is processed food. I mean, I think we all
00:52:09 know that like, you know, not to pick on Nabisco, but like a box of anything from Nabisco would be
00:52:14 a processed food item. But I think there's like some sneaky processed foods. We're going to pick
00:52:19 it up. I'm going to take a quick break. We're going to pick it up there. And we're going to
00:52:22 get into the specifics of how we're eating, how we're exercising, and the other tips for
00:52:27 taking yourself next level. When we come back, more with Dr. Sean right after this. Don't go
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00:54:13 Dr. Sean O'Meara is back with me.
00:54:15 He's the author of Growing Better, Not Older,
00:54:18 How to Biologically Optimize Your Body,
00:54:21 Improve Your Appearance,
00:54:22 and Crush Your Goals by Targeting Visceral Fat.
00:54:27 Okay, so we were talking about what is a processed food?
00:54:30 It's not, they always say just avoid
00:54:31 like the middle of the grocery store
00:54:34 and anything that's in like a box
00:54:36 or that you could, that could live on your counter,
00:54:39 not live, but like stay on your counter for two weeks
00:54:41 without, you know, spoiling, but it's more, there's some sneaky processed foods, I think.
00:54:46 Yeah, there are. And you know, the simplest guidance I give to people is if it has a label,
00:54:51 it's probably going to be processed. When it needs ingredients and ingredientless,
00:54:58 it's very likely that it's been processed a little bit. So sometimes even, you know,
00:55:03 taking meat and changing its form or vegetables exposes it to air and oxidation.
00:55:10 and helps degrade the process and make it more inflammatory.
00:55:14 So the safest thing to eat is chunks of vegetables and chunks of meat.
00:55:18 And so the other thing I tell my clients that work with me
00:55:22 is calories don't matter as much in numbers as much as the quality of the calories.
00:55:29 So a calorie isn't a calorie.
00:55:31 The quality of calories matters more than the quantity of it.
00:55:34 Well, like you said ice cream is processed.
00:55:37 That's considered a processed food?
00:55:39 It is because oftentimes they will add things in like sugars and sometimes they leave them gum.
00:55:47 Yeah.
00:55:48 These fillers and stabilizers, emulsifiers to make them more palatable tasting.
00:55:54 But really, you'd be better off making your own homemade ice cream.
00:55:59 I'm not an advocate for sugar.
00:56:01 You know, sugar, we notice that people eliminate this fat, visceral fat disease in their abdomens around the heart the fastest when they cut out carbohydrates and then just eat fat and protein.
00:56:13 So sugars, carbohydrates attract species of microbes that preferentially put down fat, fatty disease around your heart in your abdomen rather than your subcutaneous skin where you should be storing that.
00:56:28 And I said to you, well, I really like my ice cream.
00:56:31 It's a bad vice.
00:56:32 I have it a lot.
00:56:33 I just have a little bit at a time,
00:56:35 but I have it like every other night.
00:56:37 And my dear friend, Nancy, told me that needs to stop.
00:56:40 And then you came into my life and told me,
00:56:43 I'm not gonna want it.
00:56:45 That's right.
00:56:45 So that's actually comforting.
00:56:47 It's not that I'm gonna be longing for it and missing it.
00:56:51 Never.
00:56:51 The microbiome is gonna change
00:56:53 to where the compulsion is not there.
00:56:56 Yeah, you'll even get a sick feeling.
00:56:58 I mean, I feel so sad and I get nauseated
00:57:01 seeing people eating processed foods and ice cream.
00:57:05 Even when it's pretty ostensibly kind of minimally processed,
00:57:10 my microbiome is geared towards meat,
00:57:13 seafood, and fermented foods.
00:57:15 And now it gives you almost like a sense of revulsion
00:57:18 when you see the foods that are not good for you.
00:57:20 Yes. 1.00
00:57:21 Like when you see the unattractive cave woman. 1.00
00:57:24 Yes. 0.99
00:57:25 You know, she was not. 0.90
00:57:26 She was not picking the healthiest bison.
00:57:29 But the aversion, you know, goes both ways.
00:57:31 So sometimes people will see fermented foods and they'll be repulsed by fermented foods,
00:57:37 but it's the microbes inside of them that are fighting for their survival and tell the
00:57:42 host, don't eat that fermented food.
00:57:45 So it's the sight, the smell, and the taste. 1.00
00:57:48 So these microbes are wired into our central nervous system and you would fight like Katie's.
00:57:54 I always tell people, if I came across that table, put my hands around your neck and started choking, you'd become a wild woman and fight like crazy for your life.
00:58:03 The same thing are these microbes inside of you.
00:58:06 When they see something that is threatening them, like their host is about to eat fermented foods, they make them hate them.
00:58:12 So I tell my clients that have an aversion where they feel, you know, this repulsion to fermented foods, to take a little butter knife, dip it in a little bit of kimchi juice, a little of the juice around the fermented vegetables, put it in a glass of non-chlorinated water, just one little drop.
00:58:30 They won't see it.
00:58:31 They won't taste it.
00:58:32 They won't smell it.
00:58:33 Then they drink that water.
00:58:35 And when they drink it, they just drink millions of these beneficial microbes.
00:58:40 they're going to start living inside them go down and kick the fannies of those bad microbes inside 0.66
00:58:46 the gut of those person that was previously hated she is less unattractive less offensive 0.95
00:58:52 less repulsive and slowly over a period of time like i i rarely tell this story but i remember
00:59:00 my mother taught me to make fudge when i was four years old with a candy thermometer
00:59:04 you know on a stove i don't know how i never was scalded as a four-year-old but my mom liked the
00:59:09 fudge. So I made her fudge and made her coffee. Those were her addictions. And so I ate all this
00:59:14 fudge. But I became really colonized with all these bad pathogenic microbes. And I remember I
00:59:22 was this sweet little kid that would listen to Christmas carols about Jesus and I'd be crying.
00:59:27 You know, it was this sweet little, adorable little six, seven-year-old. But somebody would
00:59:32 get behind me. I could smell kimchi. And I remember, I'm telling you, for the first time 1.00
00:59:38 my life i felt homicidal rage oh wow i wanted to i was seven years old didn't understand it but i
00:59:44 wanted to kill the man behind me and it would happen over and over again and would be some 0.97
00:59:49 asian or korean with kimchi on their breath and that's how powerful these microbes are 1.00
00:59:54 they're so wired into the host to defend against a threat is this part of the reason why most of us
01:00:01 find organ meats repulsive?
01:00:05 In part because of the nutrient value,
01:00:08 but less so because the microbes,
01:00:11 because typically organ meat
01:00:12 isn't going to have a strong sense
01:00:17 of microbial contribution.
01:00:18 There won't be living microbes.
01:00:19 So those are just genuinely disgusting.
01:00:21 Well, but also the metabolites.
01:00:23 So there are metabolites
01:00:25 that are richer nutrients in that organ meat
01:00:28 that will be fertilizer for beneficial microbes, 0.77
01:00:32 but also, and when the beneficial microbes start growing,
01:00:36 they outsource, they out-compete the bad ones.
01:00:40 So there's a war going on inside of you. 0.93
01:00:42 It's an African safari.
01:00:44 It's a rainforest in your stomach,
01:00:48 but you never think about it.
01:00:50 But the balance of that,
01:00:51 you want as many healthy microbes in there as possible.
01:00:55 Okay, wait, I wanna keep going
01:00:56 because I have so many things I need to talk about.
01:00:58 In the break, we talked about how your face will and actually can change as a result of this diet.
01:01:08 And you talked about the example of your daughter, who's also on the planet.
01:01:13 She's 25 years old.
01:01:14 She works with you.
01:01:15 This is a different example.
01:01:17 Yeah, that's a picture of mine.
01:01:18 That's you.
01:01:19 Yeah, that's how much I changed when I was 48.
01:01:22 That was me when I became the researcher for the National Science Foundation.
01:01:26 Wow.
01:01:26 So my face showed a huge amount.
01:01:30 That's before.
01:01:31 So how inflamed my face?
01:01:33 Sweet and nerdy, but puffy.
01:01:36 But I weighed less there.
01:01:38 I weighed 165 pounds there in that photograph,
01:01:40 but I had more disease and not as much muscle.
01:01:43 Today, I weigh closer to 178.
01:01:46 I have like no visceral fat disease
01:01:48 and my muscles have gotten a lot bigger.
01:01:51 And your features have just become much more defined.
01:01:55 Yes, and I think, this goes back 20,000 years ago, we can't find photographs, but if we
01:02:00 could look at men and women 20,000 years ago, they would have lean faces.
01:02:05 So we were talking in the break about how when you get older, your nose starts to droop
01:02:10 and like, I don't know, it just seemed to me that it was gravity and you were saying
01:02:14 that's not true.
01:02:16 No.
01:02:16 You do not have to surrender to that.
01:02:17 So people think that they literally get heavy, their noses get bigger because they're older.
01:02:24 But here's an example, my own daughter.
01:02:27 So my daughter, Riley, when she was 14 years old,
01:02:32 is her originally right here, her photograph.
01:02:35 And we scanned her and she was filled with visceral fat. 1.00
01:02:39 And she ended up getting polycystic ovarian syndrome. 1.00
01:02:43 And this visceral fat inflamed her face. 1.00
01:02:46 And look how much she improved 1.00
01:02:47 as she got rid of her visceral fat. 1.00
01:02:49 That's not plastic surgery.
01:02:50 The nose is like remarkably thinner. 1.00
01:02:52 steroids her nose got smaller but we consistently see this in clients i tell my female clients if 1.00
01:02:59 you want to be a model and they're older absolutely i'll make you a model because when you get rid of 0.99
01:03:05 health i mean get you lose your health you lose your appearance but nobody in their 50s 60s 70s
01:03:11 are getting better looking unless they're getting rid of this visceral fat disease so speak now and
01:03:15 This is a person in his 40s who we know is on the diet.
01:03:19 His name is J.D. Vance, and he started it for Lent.
01:03:25 He was just going to do it for Lent.
01:03:27 And look at this.
01:03:28 This is from February 28th to March 27th,
01:03:30 the difference in the vice president's face alone.
01:03:34 You can see how much less puffy he is.
01:03:37 Indeed.
01:03:38 I think a lot of women think the puffiness only happens to them, 0.61
01:03:41 but it happens to men too. 0.79
01:03:43 It does.
01:03:44 It does.
01:03:44 And, you know, particularly politicians who have a lot of stress, they build up cortisol, which feeds visceral fat inside of them, and it shrinks the fat on the outside.
01:03:56 So they tend to have lower amounts of the beneficial superficial subcutaneous fat, and they have higher amounts of the fatty disease around their heart and in their abdomen and their muscles.
01:04:07 And this deteriorates their appearance and their ability to influence.
01:04:11 So as you get older, you actually should get more attractive.
01:04:15 Like looking at the examples of other politicians, many of them have gone on this diet and improved their appearance.
01:04:24 As they've gotten rid of visceral fat, their faces improve.
01:04:28 And so because their faces improve, you actually – like the example that happened to Joe Biden and President Trump I like to give.
01:04:38 Now, we don't have the benefit of MRIs to see what happened.
01:04:41 But this is the election at 2020, and this is 2024.
01:04:46 And President Biden looked pretty good.
01:04:48 His face was lean.
01:04:50 He did well on the debate in 2020.
01:04:52 But in 2024, he was abysmal.
01:04:54 But look at the accumulation of cortisol, the inflammation in his face, and look at President Trump.
01:05:00 His face was more inflamed in 2020.
01:05:03 I think one of his sons has gone carnivore and is now eating more healthy and may be influencing his dad.
01:05:09 Wow.
01:05:09 And look how much he improved.
01:05:11 The president's face improved.
01:05:13 And look, it reached voters.
01:05:16 It reaches influencers.
01:05:18 So the future of politicians-
01:05:19 Is that the White House doctor over there?
01:05:20 It is.
01:05:21 I recognize him.
01:05:22 So look at the doctors.
01:05:23 They had different doctors.
01:05:25 So Biden's doctor was this physician
01:05:27 and President Trump's was Admiral Jackson,
01:05:30 Ronnie Jackson's now a congressman.
01:05:32 So, you know, it depends on who's influencing
01:05:35 and helping your diet, you know.
01:05:37 Good point.
01:05:37 Yeah.
01:05:38 Yeah, and so I tell people, you pay attention to your doctor.
01:05:41 When you go to a doctor, and they're so heavy, and they're so diseased,
01:05:45 and they look off, and they talk like this,
01:05:47 and he's like, you've got to lower your cholesterol, we're going to start a statin.
01:05:50 It's like going to a dentist with jacked up, messed up teeth.
01:05:53 Or going to a personal trainer who's morbidly obese.
01:05:56 Yes.
01:05:56 I don't think so.
01:05:57 Yes.
01:05:58 Wait, when you and I were talking about the ice cream,
01:06:00 one more tip for those out there who are like me and have this problem,
01:06:03 but no longer.
01:06:05 You said to me, you know who else liked his ice cream every night?
01:06:09 I said, who?
01:06:10 Joe Biden.
01:06:11 I was like, OMG, I never thought of it that way.
01:06:15 Problem solved.
01:06:17 And I'm cured.
01:06:18 Good point.
01:06:19 Very good point.
01:06:21 Choosing to live well will result.
01:06:24 Here's the insight.
01:06:25 You want to go to a new level.
01:06:27 You think when you eat that ice cream, you're eating for yourself.
01:06:30 you're eating less for yourself and more for the microbiome the community of microbes inside of
01:06:37 you and so they drive you to eat that food sick they're evil and you they are they're far more
01:06:43 it's a form of intelligence that we don't really understand but there's a mechanism inside a
01:06:50 bacteria single cell mechanism called crispr and crispr is is revolutionary new it's way more
01:06:56 sophisticated than anything we've ever seen in human development.
01:07:00 They can do gene editing.
01:07:01 Yes.
01:07:02 And so they have this ability to detect a threat, create the solution to the threat,
01:07:07 and eliminate the threat.
01:07:08 It's a very elegant genetic capability that's in the single cell organisms.
01:07:14 And so microbes have really a form of existence that is far beyond what we really understand.
01:07:22 So it's high time that America pays attention to their microbiome.
01:07:25 You said the same thing about alcohol because, well, I don't drink a ton.
01:07:29 I do drink socially.
01:07:31 And you were saying the same thing, that any Jones for alcohol will go away on the diet
01:07:36 because you're going to change the microbiome for this same reason.
01:07:40 The bugs will change.
01:07:41 I've worked with thousands of people now, and they've reported to me.
01:07:45 I used to never ask them to stop drinking alcohol, and sometimes I would.
01:07:50 But now it just happens as they start eating fermented foods and they improve their diet and they do the other things that we have them doing to eliminate disease.
01:08:01 Their health improves so much, their microbiome improves so much, they lose all attraction for alcohol.
01:08:07 The healthy human being doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't have an attraction for it.
01:08:13 And so alcohol is one of those things and other vices.
01:08:16 I sometimes I feel like I'm almost a Catholic priest because these clients come back to me, tell me, I didn't tell you this before, father, but I was addicted to gambling.
01:08:26 I was addicted to pornography.
01:08:28 I was addicted to to substance abuse, alcohol and drugs.
01:08:33 And then they have to know what is it about getting rid of visceral fat and eating these fermented foods that these problems go away.
01:08:42 They wanted me to tell them.
01:08:44 They had been struggling their whole lives.
01:08:47 And so, you know, there are probiotics.
01:08:49 Lots of effects.
01:08:51 Many, many beneficial effects.
01:08:53 All right, let's talk about the eating.
01:08:54 So, so far, I'll tell the audience what I had for breakfast.
01:08:58 I had eggs, a little bit of cheese,
01:09:02 but you can't have just any cheese.
01:09:03 It's gotta be like smelly cheese, blue cheese.
01:09:06 Old world cheese.
01:09:07 Old world, okay.
01:09:10 What's the other one?
01:09:11 Blue cheese, gorgonzola, and there was a third that we got.
01:09:13 Roquefort.
01:09:14 Roquefort.
01:09:14 Okay.
01:09:15 So I had eggs.
01:09:16 I had a little bit of cheese.
01:09:18 I had a little kefir.
01:09:19 This is yesterday.
01:09:20 And I did have like a couple of strips, tiny, not big, but you said, go for it if you want,
01:09:26 of steak.
01:09:27 I had steak for the night before.
01:09:29 So that was my breakfast, which was very hearty.
01:09:31 It wasn't like a huge plate, but I had all of those things on it.
01:09:34 And I made sure I was chewing comastification, whatever RFKJ says, in every bite.
01:09:40 Okay. Then for lunch, I had steak with ferments, a bunch of them. And by the way, we have to talk
01:09:47 about the fact that when you get your ferments from the grocery store, you have to reach into
01:09:51 the back of the, of the display case and try to get the ones that were in the dark because light
01:09:59 is not great for your ferment. So reach into the back and then you can keep it in your fridge. But
01:10:03 as you pointed out, I'm like, well, the fridge has a light. And you were like, not when it's
01:10:06 closed. Hello. Okay. Anyway, so then I had my steak and I had a couple of different ferments
01:10:12 on there. And then I basically had the same dinner as I did lunch. So I think that was a basic
01:10:18 approach to the diet. You can get fancier and you don't have to stick with just cow. You can do
01:10:24 bison, elk, venison, lamb. Correct. And even some fish, though it's not your favorite. I don't eat
01:10:31 fish anyway, so it's kind of not a thing. And I recommend like wild caught seafood. If you're
01:10:34 do fish, do wild caught. And on the beef, not just grass fed, but if you can find it grass
01:10:39 finished, correct, which means what? Yes. So grass, grass fed, grass finished. And I'll show
01:10:45 you a picture because of, um, it's very powerful. The difference that this makes when you actually
01:10:50 eat, uh, something is grass fed, grass finished, you get a higher level of healthier meat. So
01:10:57 here's a picture of uh the difference a grass-fed grass finished uh steak on one side versus grain
01:11:05 oh wow so you get this marvelization it's um the one that's grass-fed and grass-finished looks like
01:11:11 pure red and the one that isn't has a bunch of the fat marble throughout it yes okay and so this
01:11:19 marbleized meat is not as healthy and so when you finish sometimes it's just grass-fed but they
01:11:25 finish it on grains. So you really want to be eating meat that's grass-fed, grass-finished
01:11:31 with less marbleization. And the impetus behind us, the reason why we learned this,
01:11:37 and I didn't know this, they didn't teach us this in medical school, was really this photograph
01:11:42 right here that shows the connection how this happens in human beings. So look at these two
01:11:50 abdominal scans side by side next to them, we have the legs of the humans that are correlate
01:11:57 with their abdominal scan. And you can see on the image on the left, they have a lot more visceral
01:12:02 fat. And in the image on the right, below it, they have less visceral fat, but their legs
01:12:09 to the side show different degrees of marbleization in their muscles. So the image on the bottom is
01:12:16 from Olympic sprinter. Correct. And look at those big, gorgeous muscles, very little visceral fat
01:12:23 inside their abdomen and their legs are very lean. But the guy in the top looks like I call him human
01:12:29 wagyu. He has so much marbleization of his muscles. And ladies and gentlemen, if you follow
01:12:36 Megan, the reason you need a walker and a cane and a wheelchair is not because you're old. It's
01:12:44 because this white stuff forms in your legs
01:12:46 and keeps you from supporting yourself anymore.
01:12:50 That's it.
01:12:52 That's it, America. 1.00
01:12:54 No other reason you need a wheelchair 1.00
01:12:57 and you're going to need a wheelchair 1.00
01:13:00 and eventually you won't eat, 1.00
01:13:01 your muscles be so filled with fat, 0.99
01:13:02 you'll fall over in a wheelchair
01:13:03 and then you're in a bed for the rest of your life 0.99
01:13:06 until you die.
01:13:07 Unless you find out about this disease going inside of you. 0.99
01:13:11 It's that important.
01:13:12 It's huge.
01:13:14 That's why I have people eating grass-fed,
01:13:16 grass-finished beef so that,
01:13:18 and I promote many different ranchers that do that.
01:13:21 You're allowed to have eggs.
01:13:23 And that was one thing I didn't ask you.
01:13:25 With yolks, like, are we going for it?
01:13:27 Yes.
01:13:27 Where you're not doing the cholesterol thing anymore?
01:13:30 Because like, most people look at that and say, 1.00
01:13:32 holy shit, you'll be dead by noon. 1.00
01:13:34 Yeah, old science. 1.00
01:13:35 So absolutely, whole eggs are great.
01:13:38 And the healthier the chickens, the healthier the eggs.
01:13:41 So ideally, you should buy eggs if you can from a farmer that has them out pastured where they're out eating bugs and less, not grains, poultry in the wild, fowl, game fowl.
01:13:56 They're not out eating grain.
01:13:58 They're out eating bugs.
01:14:00 And so you want to eat an animal that eats a natural diet.
01:14:03 And so in between animals in the wild are domesticated animals like chicken, pork, and beef.
01:14:11 But to the extent that it's more natural, it's more healthier for you.
01:14:15 So you want to eat grass-fed, grass-finished in the room, and that's beef and bison.
01:14:19 And the chickens, you want to eat ones that are pastured.
01:14:22 What's the thinking?
01:14:23 But we're not eating chickens.
01:14:24 You mean the eggs.
01:14:24 Yeah.
01:14:25 What's the thinking behind the cheese, like the stinky cheese?
01:14:29 Yeah.
01:14:30 So the thinking is dairy.
01:14:33 I don't recommend dairy unless it's fermented.
01:14:35 When you – fermentation is the only processing that I can think of as a physician and a scientist and a researcher that actually improves the form of food.
01:14:47 And so when you ferment dairy, you're actually improving.
01:14:51 You're increasing the nutrient value and you're adding to the microbial value, these living microbes.
01:14:56 And the ones that are more old world and more stinkier and smellier like blue cheeses and roqueforts and gargonzolas have higher levels of colony forming units and metabolites.
01:15:09 These little tiny signals, these little tiny peptides that are now the darling of big pharma and you see it just blowing up all over the internet, these peptides.
01:15:20 Well, they already exist in nature.
01:15:23 And so you can see that people that eat traditionally,
01:15:27 and that's how we learned to co-maskate too,
01:15:30 is traditional people eat fermented foods with meat.
01:15:33 They chew them together, like in South Korea.
01:15:35 You would never eat a piece of meat without chewing it with kimchi. 1.00
01:15:38 And the Korean women, the ajimas, the older women that are in restaurants, 1.00
01:15:42 will come up and yell at you in Korean if you just eat the meat and don't eat the kimchi. 1.00
01:15:47 They will castigate you in public over this because it's a tradition inculcated within their society.
01:15:54 So cheese fermented is a tradition way of taking dairy and improving it.
01:16:00 So it's a ferment.
01:16:01 It's a ferment.
01:16:02 Okay.
01:16:03 It's through fermentation that milk, specifically the lactose, the milk sugar, gets reduced, gets eliminated.
01:16:10 It's changed into lactate and actually through this chemical biological process, a better
01:16:17 way of describing through biological influence of these beneficial microbes that are added
01:16:22 to the vat of dairy, and it's in a big cheese wheel.
01:16:26 And then when it's cut into triangles, that's your, when we were shopping, I told you about
01:16:31 the triangular type, that's your cue that it's really old world processing.
01:16:37 It's not like processed ricotta or cottage cheese
01:16:40 that's really not familiar.
01:16:41 We were joking about our Velveeta.
01:16:43 Yeah.
01:16:43 No offense, Velveeta.
01:16:44 You served me well for a number of middle school years.
01:16:47 Here, for the listening audience,
01:16:49 we're gonna put on the board now,
01:16:51 and you should just check this out.
01:16:52 It's about an hour and 20 minutes into the show.
01:16:56 The purchases we made at Whole Foods,
01:16:59 but you don't have to go to Whole Foods.
01:17:00 You can probably do it at any other
01:17:02 sort of more alternative grocery store.
01:17:04 But Sean and I went together,
01:17:06 which was very helpful.
01:17:07 And I photographed here and just check out the show on YouTube, but all the things that
01:17:11 we bought, including the butter, which is over there on the, on the right, it's like
01:17:16 a little French butter that Sean likes.
01:17:18 And he uses that butter, man.
01:17:20 Cause I said, what do I cook the beef in?
01:17:22 He said, well, either just on the grill and with nothing, or, um, you just, or you can
01:17:27 cook it in butter.
01:17:28 And at the end you put some butter on top of it.
01:17:30 You are not afraid of the butter.
01:17:31 No, I'm not.
01:17:32 This butter is delicious.
01:17:33 I don't know what this is, but I've had it now for two days in a row.
01:17:36 as freaking heavenly.
01:17:38 I was crazy.
01:17:40 So we took a big,
01:17:41 and then I took a picture back at my house
01:17:42 more clearly of the labels
01:17:43 and I'll show you those too.
01:17:44 So that if you just want to copy what I did,
01:17:46 you know, it's just easier.
01:17:48 Yeah.
01:17:48 So it really is an important thing.
01:17:50 You need to get around somebody
01:17:51 who knows how to eat healthy
01:17:52 and learn how to shop in stores
01:17:55 because traditionally we just go in and grab anything,
01:17:58 but you want to be mindful.
01:18:00 On the yogurts too.
01:18:01 There's a picture of the yogurt there that you liked.
01:18:03 And fermented dairy.
01:18:04 You were not pro-Greek.
01:18:06 No.
01:18:07 I was shocked to learn that.
01:18:08 No, it's a form of processing.
01:18:10 So they're eliminating the beneficial microbes
01:18:13 and the tart liquid form.
01:18:16 If you separate it, it makes the yogurt more creamy
01:18:19 and that people are buying it,
01:18:21 but you're losing the metabolites and the microbes
01:18:24 when you're doing that.
01:18:25 And so the consumer is getting ripped off from that.
01:18:29 And so it appeals to the palate.
01:18:31 So that's a good example of how, you know, processing can semi-process.
01:18:36 The yogurt you like is on our little picture that I posted here.
01:18:40 Yes, so that picture shows that.
01:18:42 But, you know, I make the point that our ancestors didn't just hunt any bison.
01:18:48 They were very selective about it.
01:18:50 And you need to be that intentional, Megan, and your audience needs to be intentional
01:18:54 about selecting the very best food when they go to a grocery store.
01:18:59 Don't just get the most tasty.
01:19:01 So there was a process in anthropology called selection pressure.
01:19:07 It was an influence on our species.
01:19:09 It's still present in the wild that has an animal select the best decision that's going to help them live longer and perform better.
01:19:17 It used to be present for homo sapiens.
01:19:20 Our existence, our survival and a quality life was dictated on us making better choices.
01:19:26 Today's selection pressure has been replaced by what I call selection pleasure.
01:19:32 Greek yogurt, creamier things, tastier things, sweeter things.
01:19:37 So I tell my clients, the enemy tastes sweet.
01:19:42 Now, you might think you're giving up a lot by giving up sweet things.
01:19:46 I don't know a human being in the world that enjoys steak and ferments better than Sean O'Meara.
01:19:52 It is like better than any trip to Walt Disney World that I've ever had.
01:19:56 And it's every single day that I eat is the most unbelievable experience I could have during the day because that food tastes so extraordinarily good.
01:20:07 My microbiome is all in on the very best strategies for optimizing.
01:20:12 And eventually it happens to my clients over a period of time.
01:20:15 So as you do this, you'll get more and more excited about eating.
01:20:19 It will taste way better.
01:20:20 you will laugh and be appalled. Did you ever ate ice cream at some point?
01:20:25 I'm looking forward to that. Now, we should talk about what you just said,
01:20:29 every day that I'm eating, because you are not eating every day. Fasting is a part of this diet.
01:20:37 I'm sorry to break it to you at home, because I think fasting is so hard. I was telling you,
01:20:43 I used to do the 16-8 fast, and even the 16 for me, I thought as a woman, was particularly hard.
01:20:49 those last two hours and then I did hear some conventional wisdom that women shouldn't go 16
01:20:54 you were like not only should you go 16 you you should go three maybe even four days and then I 0.71
01:21:02 said to Sean women women should go four days and he said when the men couldn't find the bison what
01:21:07 do you think the women were doing yeah no one was eating the males or the females yeah so it's
01:21:13 absolutely talk about the fast and by the way I forgot to ask you something important is that
01:21:17 every week you don't fast four days a week every week do you i i fast typically um i used to fast
01:21:23 three or four days every single week so literally like half the month i was fasting i still kind of
01:21:29 do that now but i do even longer fast like five days so look at this lady's uh face uh who is
01:21:37 kind enough to allow us to to share her photograph how much she improved her face so um this is over
01:21:43 a six-month period of time, this lady adopted meat and microbes, the living diet, and also
01:21:50 started fasting. So when you fast, you eliminate structural disease in your body and the influence 1.00
01:21:56 in your face. So you get this gorgeous appearance to your face. A lot of women are afraid to come
01:22:02 to me. They think that only work with these, you know, studly males, tough guys. But women get 1.00
01:22:07 these beautiful results where they have fantastic results. So biology knows no difference between 1.00
01:22:14 men and women in terms of lifestyle. The healthier the food you eat, the healthier your lifestyle
01:22:19 is available for men and women. Let's just say it's three days because four days
01:22:24 sounds insane to me. Maybe it won't six months away. It took years for me to get up to that.
01:22:29 I eased into it. What should I do right now as a baby, Sean, disciple?
01:22:35 So I tell people to ease into fasting because the scariest thing for me right now is Megyn Kelly goes on a three-day fast, hates it, feels super weak, and they said, I tried fasting, and it didn't work. 0.81
01:22:50 That comes on the show, says, that sucks.
01:22:52 Everything I said, I take back. 0.98
01:22:53 Yeah, yeah.
01:22:54 I mean, it would be a terrible tragedy.
01:22:56 So you want to ease into it.
01:22:58 It's not a race.
01:22:59 You're a young lady. 0.99
01:23:01 You've got decades of quality living ahead of you, so ease into it.
01:23:05 Now, a little tip, our ancestors, when they didn't get a bison, would go drink from creeks, rivers, lakes, glaciers, and they knew the gray-haired women and the gray-haired men, the alphas, the leadership of a clan, knew which particular stream to drink that would reduce their hunger.
01:23:25 And so these microbes have a capacity literally of increasing GLP-1.
01:23:32 And so GLP-1 is this natural endogenous peptide that causes satiety.
01:23:39 So today we can't drink rivers and lakes, but here's what we're going to find out.
01:23:44 I am now experimenting and it's going to come out with certain strains of bacteria, probiotics
01:23:51 that you will take and also postbiotics.
01:23:54 Postbiotics are what probiotic microbiota, these species of microbes, produce.
01:24:00 So they're pieces basically of the living microbes.
01:24:05 They signal you that you're no longer hungry.
01:24:08 And so even though you didn't get a bison that day in the hunt, you're not hungry and you still have energy.
01:24:15 So what does that mean for you today, 2026?
01:24:18 You'll probably be getting, I've already given some to you,
01:24:21 certain species of postbiotics that you can take, probiotics rather, and postbiotics,
01:24:27 and they will reduce your hunger and allow you to fast without any hunger pains,
01:24:32 without food noise, without cravings for food.
01:24:36 So my clients, the longest I've seen a client fast,
01:24:39 10 days with these particular strains of microbiota.
01:24:43 And I can't say what they are because we want them to be manufactured and available for all Americans to take.
01:24:49 So we're in the process of trying to do that, work through that.
01:24:52 But it will be in the future that you'll be taking these strains of microbiota.
01:24:56 They will dust all of the medications that are out there because they're going to treat the underlying infection the Big Puff Pharma doesn't treat.
01:25:05 So for the listening audience, though, like what can they do before they get the special probiotics?
01:25:10 Like, can they, what, shoot, what's a realistic goal?
01:25:13 One day a week to go just go 24 hours without eating?
01:25:17 Try going, you know, a lot of people should be able to do at least 18 to 24 hours, see
01:25:22 how they do.
01:25:23 Drink non-chlorinated water.
01:25:26 Make sure you're taking glycine, magnesium, and I like magnesium citrate when I'm fasting
01:25:33 because it has less bump on your autophagy.
01:25:36 autophagy is the physiological condition
01:25:40 that you want to achieve by fasting.
01:25:44 So autophagy is like spring cleaning inside your cells
01:25:49 where cellular debris and disease
01:25:51 is cleared up from the body.
01:25:53 So people who fast just get healthier.
01:25:57 You can have coffee.
01:25:59 You can have coffee.
01:26:00 I'm fasting right now, full disclosure.
01:26:02 I've been fasting four days straight.
01:26:04 That's so crazy.
01:26:05 I haven't had a single calorie in four days.
01:26:07 Does it look or sound like I have a lack of energy?
01:26:11 No, or brain fog.
01:26:12 No.
01:26:13 Because I said to you, I said I tried,
01:26:15 I found it very hard to do the 16-hour fast into a show.
01:26:19 I needed to eat or I'd have brain fog.
01:26:21 And you said you will get to the point
01:26:23 where you will only do your show while fasting.
01:26:25 100%.
01:26:26 That's so crazy.
01:26:27 Your most important shows you will do in a fasted state.
01:26:30 The most important, like the Super Bowl and World Cups.
01:26:33 the owners of those teams will demand that their their their athletes are in a fasted state really
01:26:40 and those 50 year olds are going to be as they'll be healthier than 20 year olds why what does
01:26:46 megan kelly you dust everybody in journalism compared to a 20 year old because you learned
01:26:52 how to become a better journalist human beings in the past the 50 year olds were healthier than
01:26:57 the 20-year-olds. Think about that. Today, the 20-year-olds are healthier than 50-year-olds
01:27:03 only because of this undiagnosed disease process. But in the future, it's going to be 50-year-old
01:27:09 men and women, athletes, and also politicians and executives. So as quickly as possible,
01:27:16 optimize your microbiome. If you're a high performer, come to me. I'll work with them
01:27:20 and get them more optimized. But that's what you're going to do. You'll be using fasting
01:27:24 and these insights to perform better, look better
01:27:28 because you're going to be better in a fasted state
01:27:31 because that's when you hunt.
01:27:33 How many years did it take you
01:27:34 to get to doing three days of fasting?
01:27:37 Literally, I was slow.
01:27:38 I didn't realize all these benefits
01:27:40 because the studies have been coming out
01:27:42 over the past 10 or so years,
01:27:45 but it took me about five to six years
01:27:48 to get up to three days.
01:27:50 Now, I get a lot of my clients, like that young lady, 0.98
01:27:54 She was doing three days, I think, and within one month. 0.99
01:27:57 What?
01:27:57 She eased into three days fasting.
01:27:59 Hardcore.
01:28:00 She was.
01:28:01 Just water and coffee. 1.00
01:28:04 Coffee, and then take certain species of bacteria, probiotics that you take.
01:28:10 So maybe we won't fast until you can say publicly what the probiotics are.
01:28:14 And then kimchi, you know, a little bit of kimchi juice, a little fermented brine,
01:28:19 So little like fermented pickles, you know, fermented pickle brine you can drink because there's no calories in it.
01:28:26 And a little bit of like a couple of tablespoons of like organic unpasteurized vinegar.
01:28:33 Pasteurized vinegar is dead.
01:28:36 So you want like apple cider vinegar.
01:28:38 So unpasteurized and you add it a little bit to non-chlorinated water and you drink it and it stops your hunger pains.
01:28:46 It increases your satiety and improves your level of health.
01:28:51 And so it's a great addition to-
01:28:53 The fasting, we've disclosed it.
01:28:55 It's coming your way.
01:28:56 Just know that that's a piece of this.
01:28:57 It is coming to America.
01:28:59 Don't wait for it to go mainstream.
01:29:00 If you're an early adopter, move ahead.
01:29:02 I do wanna talk about eating out
01:29:05 because that seems like it would pose a challenge
01:29:08 on this diet, which brings me, of course,
01:29:10 to this wonderful clip of Cheryl Hines
01:29:13 talking about R.I.F.K.J., her husband's diet, SOT1.
01:29:18 Well, right now he is only eating meat and fermented vegetables.
01:29:25 So what that looks like is in the morning at 6.30,
01:29:31 he's cooking a steak and eating sauerkraut.
01:29:35 So what happens if you guys go out to eat?
01:29:36 Is he like waiting to get back home to eat?
01:29:38 Now this is, I don't know if he wants me saying this either, but who cares?
01:29:43 He's so dedicated to this diet that he's eating that he will bring his own sauerkraut to a restaurant.
01:29:52 Which, by the way, Katie, you will appreciate this because we'll be in the car dressed up.
01:29:58 I'll have like a little.
01:29:59 And he's got his bag of sauerkraut.
01:30:01 No, I'll have my little clutch, right?
01:30:03 One of my good bags that I only take out every once in a while because I want to keep them nice.
01:30:08 And he'll hand me a bag of sauerkraut and say, can you put this in your bag?
01:30:15 And I'll say, I actually cannot.
01:30:19 And, you know, if you would have told me when we were inside, I would have brought a different bag.
01:30:24 But what you're about to put in this bag is not okay.
01:30:30 I'm going to give this bag to one of my daughters.
01:30:33 When she, you know, when I die, this is not a sauerkraut bag.
01:30:37 But if you tell me ahead of time, I can bring a sauerkraut.
01:30:44 You know what I mean?
01:30:45 It's too much.
01:30:46 If you tell me in advance, I won't bring the Chanel.
01:30:48 I won't bring the Chanel.
01:30:49 Exactly. 0.96
01:30:51 That's Cheryl with Katie Miller and a very funny exchange.
01:30:54 Totally funny. 1.00
01:30:55 I think she's the funniest woman.
01:30:57 I had dinner with her.
01:30:58 She's the best. 0.99
01:30:58 And she's like that all the time. 0.99
01:31:00 Yeah. 0.99
01:31:01 She sat right in the chair that you're in. 0.57
01:31:02 I think she's the funniest female I've ever met in my lifetime.
01:31:06 She's got it.
01:31:06 I love her, yeah.
01:31:08 So eating out, you do have to bring the sauerkraut,
01:31:11 not necessarily in a bag.
01:31:13 You recommend baby food jars.
01:31:15 I do, I do.
01:31:16 I get the little tiny baby food jars,
01:31:18 the really small ones,
01:31:19 and I put a variety of ferments into it,
01:31:22 put it in this little discreet jar.
01:31:24 I put it in my coat pocket or my jeans pocket.
01:31:27 I pull it out when I'm in a restaurant
01:31:29 and dump it on a plate.
01:31:30 I call it reverse shoplifting.
01:31:32 Like you're bringing something into a restaurant,
01:31:34 but they oftentimes are a little uneasy about it,
01:31:38 but you don't need a lot.
01:31:39 Put the little garnish in there.
01:31:41 I get some, sometimes I get stares,
01:31:42 but I do it fast and I put it back in, you know, it's gone.
01:31:45 And you order, you look for grass-fed beef.
01:31:47 I do.
01:31:48 And you ask if they can cook it in butter.
01:31:50 I do.
01:31:50 And so when you're at the table
01:31:52 and you're talking to a waiter or waitress,
01:31:54 you can say, do you cook your butters in seed oils
01:31:58 or your meat in seed oils?
01:32:00 Can you cook mine in butter?
01:32:01 And ask them.
01:32:02 And this is why you want to be selective.
01:32:03 Yeah. You know, and I also tell people, look, you can't always find grass fed when you go to restaurants. I eat at McDonald's. I do. It's not great quality meat, but it's way better than pasta. I just don't eat the buns and the ketchups and all the other things that are added to it. And I bring ferments with me. I remember going on a vacation with my wife. I'm a retired army guy. I'm not a wealthy guy.
01:32:28 So, you know, we're out eating at McDonald's, my wife, you know, I'm 62 years old then, you know, and we're eating at McDonald's and we're getting rid of the buns and I'm dumping the ferments on the McDonald's patties.
01:32:42 And that was our date night while we're out on this whole vacation.
01:32:46 Or you could potentially have like a white fish or some sort of cut of fish.
01:32:50 And ideally, I like wild caught because they tend, you know, the farmed variety of seafood, they feed a lot of grains just like they do with cattle.
01:33:02 So they're dumping stuff into these farm ponds that they have all this fish in.
01:33:07 And sometimes even when they're out in the ocean, they pretend like, you know, that's a healthier version.
01:33:12 They might get a little bit more healthier water.
01:33:14 but then they're still feeding grains and carbs and all this unnatural diet to these 0.98
01:33:20 farmed fish. And sometimes there are better operations, but I just think you need to be
01:33:25 a lot more selective about the food you eat whenever you can, especially at home.
01:33:29 You can go shop. You can find the very best foods, shopping online and your local grocery
01:33:35 supplier, bring that home. And then on occasion, if you have to go out, eat a little grass-fed
01:33:41 beef or grain-fed beef, bring some ferments with you. And when you go to your neighbor's house
01:33:47 or your family members, don't dive down to their level. Be the hero. Be the champion
01:33:53 in your family's life and in your neighbor's house. And you show them that you eat differently.
01:34:00 You eat better. And it's real for you. Don't compromise your health. So it's an opportunity
01:34:06 to kind of like witness to them,
01:34:08 I'm trying to live better.
01:34:10 And the consequences is not that you just miss out
01:34:14 on all the beneficial living.
01:34:15 We're talking cancer and strokes
01:34:18 and neurodegenerative conditions
01:34:20 from this not just one cheat meal
01:34:23 if you're eating ice cream,
01:34:24 it's a cumulative effect of bad food over a lifetime
01:34:29 and a poor lifestyle.
01:34:31 And it contributes and manifests
01:34:33 with all this structural disease,
01:34:35 visceral fat and fat around your heart. And you never know when you're going to get a bad disease.
01:34:40 Can you talk about, I was telling the audience what I ate yesterday on my first full day on the
01:34:46 diet. Can you give an example of your typical diet, like your breakfast, your lunch, and your
01:34:50 dinner? Sure. So I get up in the morning and if I want to eat, particularly if it's feasting,
01:34:56 and I just, you know, I live a lifestyle of fasting and feasting, just like our ancestors.
01:35:02 You know, we did not eat around the clock, you know, grazing and things.
01:35:06 We're not cows.
01:35:08 We would hunt, get a gigantic animal.
01:35:11 Woolly mammoths were a good example.
01:35:13 It's the only animal I could think of that we hunted to extinction.
01:35:16 Ding, ding, ding.
01:35:17 We love woolly mammoths, you know.
01:35:19 Got to bring that back.
01:35:21 Yeah, we do.
01:35:22 On the menu. 0.75
01:35:23 Work on that for science.
01:35:24 Little steak, little lamb, little woolly.
01:35:28 So I eat a big chunk of meat.
01:35:29 I eat. And when I feast, I'm eating a lot. Game on. You are eating a lot. That one picture has,
01:35:36 it looks like four burgers with butter. It's not cheese on top. It's a pat of butter.
01:35:41 And that isn't even all that I ate. I eat a lot. I will eat four. I eat more than Sean Baker.
01:35:48 I'll eat four to five pounds of meat a day. Oh my God. What? That's insane. I know. Well,
01:35:53 because I'm making up for the meat that I didn't eat when I was fasting. So I recover.
01:35:59 And so, you know, as far as the amount of food goes,
01:36:02 it's probably equitable for, you know,
01:36:05 what I would be eating if I was eating
01:36:07 like a standard American, you know, kind of lifestyle.
01:36:10 So if you are easing your way into this diet
01:36:12 where you are maybe fasting one day a week,
01:36:15 if that, do not have four to five pounds of beef in a day.
01:36:18 No, you won't want to like feast.
01:36:20 But when I break, and the other thing
01:36:22 you should be aware of too, is I call it prime the pump.
01:36:25 If you haven't eaten in like four days,
01:36:28 Most people, when they return to eating, they can have a hyperarysmotic effect where they put food in until their GI tract gets acclimated to it.
01:36:40 And they can have some dysbiosis.
01:36:43 They can be a little bit uncomfortable, a little nauseated.
01:36:46 So you're going to ease into a fast.
01:36:48 Okay.
01:36:48 So start slow, calm, priming the pump, and a little bit of blue cheese.
01:36:52 a little bone broth, a little soup broth,
01:36:55 a little tiny piece of meat over about four to five hours
01:36:59 and work your way up to it.
01:37:00 Now I can break my fast.
01:37:02 Everybody that's eating this way is always surprised.
01:37:05 I can break my fast with four ribeyes.
01:37:08 Oh my Lord.
01:37:10 And I do, I'm just like a lion.
01:37:11 I haven't eaten in six days
01:37:14 and I'll eat four giant ribeyes.
01:37:18 Wow.
01:37:18 I've, my biggest, I've done it.
01:37:21 Flintstone action.
01:37:22 Six pounds of meat in one sitting, 96 ounces.
01:37:25 I ate a tomahawk.
01:37:28 I would hate to see the LDL at that moment.
01:37:30 I don't think that would be encouraging.
01:37:32 You won't worry about LDL after you do this.
01:37:34 You'll realize that LDL and cholesterol
01:37:36 is beneficial to you.
01:37:38 It's a structural disease around your heart.
01:37:40 You'll feel so much better.
01:37:42 Talk about your breakfasts.
01:37:43 So breakfast is kind of like what you ate.
01:37:46 Steak and eggs are one of my favorite breakfasts
01:37:49 in the morning.
01:37:49 omelets with, you know, aged cheddar cheese and some blue cheese and some ferments. Oh my gosh,
01:37:56 to wake up and have that is just so sustaining and beneficial. And so every meal is a little
01:38:03 bit different because there's so many varieties of fermented foods that you eat, yogurts and
01:38:08 kefirs and different forms of fermented vegetables and fermented fruit. So I do eat fruit, but only
01:38:17 if it's fermented. I have my clients back off of fruit because of the fructose and the fruit sugars
01:38:24 that are in there. We noticed when we had people eat fermented fruit and cut out regular fruit
01:38:30 that the fat around the heart went away a lot faster. And vegans that don't eat any meat,
01:38:36 they do lose fat around their heart and they lose visceral fat if they add in fermented vegetables.
01:38:42 So if they're eating a predominantly plant-based diet, sorry, carnivores, the plant-based people are losing visceral fat when they stay vegan if they add in fermented foods.
01:38:56 But in all honesty, they lose it slower.
01:38:59 But they're losing it, and the rest of America is gaining it.
01:39:03 So vegans who add in fermented foods do better than Americans who are eating a standard American diet.
01:39:09 That's good.
01:39:09 So vegans can do this diet.
01:39:10 They can.
01:39:11 Do they have to ferment every vegetable?
01:39:13 They don't have to, but I prefer it.
01:39:17 You know, they don't have to, but, you know, they seem to prefer to have some fresh vegetables that aren't fermented.
01:39:26 And so they eat broccoli and other things that haven't been fermented.
01:39:30 On that front, and I want to ask you lunch too, but on that front, one of the first things you said to me is there's no cheating on this diet.
01:39:36 so like if you were weak and you wanted to have a salad you shouldn't but like why what is that
01:39:46 going to throw the whole thing off so the the cheating with the salad is not going to be bad
01:39:51 as cheating with raisins and then you add in honey and uh and then you add in a sweet a salad dressing
01:40:00 with sugar in it, that's more of a cheating that's problematic. If you just ate lettuce or
01:40:07 some arugula, it's really as a very, very small amount of these anti-nutrients and microtoxins,
01:40:16 not realistically a huge threat. It's oftentimes when it comes to salads, the accoutrements and
01:40:23 the condiments and other things are coming along. We've had some people say on the show that
01:40:27 sourdough bread is not bad for you because it's got a lower glycemic index it is very bad for you
01:40:34 it's just not as bad that's what this physician research when people come to me and they take
01:40:40 sourdough bread they always have visceral fat and heart fat and when i show that to them and they
01:40:47 get very upset they eliminate it and then that heart fat and visceral fat goes away it honest
01:40:54 to god correlates because it's still carbohydrates it's still processed it's dead bread it may have
01:41:01 had some living microbes in it at some point but when you bake it it's dead and so those beneficial
01:41:07 microbes are no longer present in there again if you are doing the starter sean you are eliminating
01:41:12 processed foods which will include bread pasta obviously sugars ice cream etc yes um you the
01:41:22 bare bones version of this could be meats and what like if you had to give them not the full
01:41:29 sean meat and then you know probably eating like vegetables that aren't fermented that are not like
01:41:35 maybe add fermented too and and then yes but if you're going to be eating any vegetables that
01:41:41 aren't fermented make sure you're comasticating including in your meal fermented vegetables
01:41:48 But anything processed really, you should, anybody listening to your show, should be able to eliminate processed foods relatively easily and then up your amount of seafood and meat and vegetables if you really want to add in vegetables and you want to take a slow kind of junior approach, a Dr. Sean light approach to this diet.
01:42:12 Just for people who think I can't do it. I can't, you know, I know a lot of people are thinking it's too extreme. I can't do it. But maybe you could try the intro version. And then if you do okay on that, the real version might not seem too undoable.
01:42:27 Now, wait, there's a lot more to discuss, including drinking.
01:42:31 Like, what do we drink?
01:42:32 And you've got thoughts on that.
01:42:33 You have two drinks here.
01:42:34 We're going to talk about what you should order as your beverage at a restaurant
01:42:39 and what you should be drinking as your beverage at home.
01:42:43 There are a couple of options that surprised me, and I think they'll surprise you too.
01:42:48 Stand by.
01:42:48 We're going to take a quick break, and then we are back with Dr. Sean here to tell us
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01:42:56 Check with your doctor before you jump full in, but your doctor will probably say he doesn't
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01:46:15 Dr. Sean O'Mara is back with me. He is the author of Growing Better, Not Older. And there's still
01:46:23 so much to talk to you guys about. So let's just start on the water, because I was surprised that
01:46:29 you're not against RO water, which is what like literally everybody tells you to get the RO filter,
01:46:33 but you really prefer something else.
01:46:36 Tell us what you like.
01:46:37 I do.
01:46:37 So I like natural water.
01:46:39 It comes right out of the earth.
01:46:40 And it's very interesting that there's no chemicals
01:46:46 like added from like chlorine and fluoride
01:46:50 and from natural bottled water.
01:46:52 And so I prefer water that comes from EU.
01:46:55 They actually have laws in the European Union
01:46:58 that the water has to be in the bottle
01:47:00 in the same form that comes out of the ground.
01:47:02 We don't have that in America under the USDA and the FDA.
01:47:07 The water has to be processed.
01:47:09 It's heat treated.
01:47:10 Oftentimes it's filtrated.
01:47:12 So if you have a choice to get like San Pellegrino or my favorite is Gerolsteiner water, that actually has.
01:47:18 Can you spell that?
01:47:19 Yeah, G-E-R-O-L-S-T-E-I-N-E-R, Gerolsteiner. 0.81
01:47:27 It's kind of cheap water over in Europe.
01:47:30 It's a little more pricier by the time it gets over here.
01:47:32 It comes from the German Alps, but it has a very low level of acidity,
01:47:39 so it's really more an alkaline water, and it has the highest amount of minerals,
01:47:42 and it's the most probiotic, meaning it has some living microbes still present in that water.
01:47:48 It comes out of the ground versus what we process here.
01:47:52 So if you have a choice, get that water, and it will add to your microbiome.
01:47:57 It will contribute.
01:47:58 It's a way better source of water to drink from rather than drinking the processed kind.
01:48:03 Even RO that helps to eliminate chlorine.
01:48:07 I have yet to find a single RO that completely eliminates chlorine.
01:48:11 And chlorine is disruptive on your microbiome because we add it to water to keep bacteria from growing in there to kill bacteria.
01:48:18 But the downside to it is it doesn't just finish its job when it's in the pipes coming from some municipal treatment center.
01:48:26 It gets delivered into a microbiome where it disrupts oftentimes the elegant, beautiful, beneficial microbes that help fight disease and keep us healthy and living better.
01:48:37 So you're drinking 100% of your water out of a bottle you got from Europe?
01:48:40 I do.
01:48:41 Well, not necessarily 100%.
01:48:42 I go to a natural spring near me in Minnesota called the Frederick Miller Spring.
01:48:47 You can Google natural spring near me and find different sources of natural springs.
01:48:52 You go like with a bucket, Little House on the Prairie style?
01:48:55 Yeah.
01:48:55 And then for years, I was taking cowboy showers with these jugs of water,
01:49:01 and I would pour it over me because I didn't do my chlorinated water.
01:49:05 But now I have a brand of water called Ophora that's a cold plunge,
01:49:11 and they take out the chlorine, and it has super high levels of oxygen.
01:49:16 So now I can take a bath in my cold plunge every day.
01:49:20 It's very interesting technology.
01:49:22 and clients get to try it out when they come to my to my houses or cold plunge so now no more
01:49:29 cowboy showers for dr sean i lived in you know a suburban house and and for years then the police
01:49:35 came was arrested for public indecency and that was the end of the cowboy shower so i do love
01:49:44 natural water i think you know we drink way too much processed water and another fun fact is it's
01:49:49 an observation i'm a i'm a surfer is i've never seen an overweight surfer that's heavy and so
01:49:57 the ocean water is one of the richest source of microbes that you can get oh and when we were
01:50:02 little children we would get knocked over by wave and we'd drink that water and you thought you were
01:50:08 going to die but you live perfectly fine but the surfers are two things about them they're lean
01:50:14 and they're attractive the men are attractive women love male surfers and males love surfer
01:50:22 babes because they're hot they're attractive they're healthy and what's going on there is
01:50:27 not because of their exercise first of all i'm a surfer it's the laziest sport in the world
01:50:31 you're only balancing for a few seconds and then what happens you wipe out and you drink the ocean
01:50:36 water and so it's the only population in the world that's intentionally drinking ocean water
01:50:42 Oh, man.
01:50:43 Unintentionally, but forced to drink it.
01:50:45 And so it's making this rich microbial contribution.
01:50:49 And it's one of the richest sources of food that you can actually,
01:50:52 water that you can drink comes right from the ocean.
01:50:54 Wow.
01:50:55 And so I do have my clients actually drinking intentionally small amounts of ocean water,
01:51:01 contributing to the microbiome.
01:51:02 Oh, fantastic.
01:51:03 And it adds diversity to your microbiome.
01:51:05 But as a, like the rule is, the only things you drink in a day are water and coffee.
01:51:11 Correct.
01:51:12 That's it.
01:51:12 I'm not drinking anything else.
01:51:14 And when you go to a restaurant, you'll say, do you have San Pellegrino?
01:51:17 I do.
01:51:17 I ask for San Pellegrino.
01:51:19 I'll ask for Gerald Steiner.
01:51:21 If they don't have it, I'll drink an American brand like Mountain Spring or something.
01:51:26 But I do not drink any chlorinated water.
01:51:28 I once was talking to a head of state, and I remember they're asking me, well, how long
01:51:33 do I have to wait before?
01:51:34 Because they were drinking, taking probiotics to help increase their microbiome.
01:51:39 They said, how long do I have to wait before I can start drinking tap water?
01:51:42 like oh my god never forever more never drink tap water okay because it's so filled with
01:51:49 chlorine and it's just going to disrupt your microbiome so you get one step forward two
01:51:54 steps back always think of your new life as you optimize is adding the most amount of beneficial
01:52:01 microbes and the least amount of detrimental ones so you want your lifestyle choices to be
01:52:06 intentional about protecting your microbiome and trying to add to the diversity. You don't want to
01:52:12 kill off all those good bugs you just created. Correct. By the way, we're sitting here and
01:52:17 whenever I have a guest on this set, I'm always conscious of my posture because there's, it's a
01:52:21 two shot and I always want to, but one of the things you say is likely to happen to you on this
01:52:27 diet is you actually will stand a little taller. Your posture could improve. Like you've seen that
01:52:32 in yourself? I have. So I actually have a couple pictures that I can show of how much my posture
01:52:38 has changed over this period of time. And it's really interesting. And it's because as you lose
01:52:44 this disease fat that's inside of you, the fat that's inside your muscles, here's a picture of
01:52:50 my posture. And it was just kind of an accidental photograph that I went back in years and caught
01:52:58 this but you can see my posture is curved in the photograph there with the shorter pair of pants on
01:53:06 and it's because you get this curvature of your spine as this fat that invades your muscles
01:53:12 invade your your back muscles too and so you get this curvature of your spine and then look how
01:53:18 much better my posture is today and so remarkable now on the right you look like the army colonel
01:53:23 you are yeah and and it's not like intentional i stand i sit like a i don't know like an 18 year
01:53:30 old um i'm always like that but i remember formally kind of being kind of hunched over
01:53:36 and looking like some kind of a strange strange kind of figure but that that muscle uh becomes
01:53:42 invaded with inflammatory fatty disease uh called fatty muscle replacement or my osteotosis muscle
01:53:49 fat. And it's the same process you see in most meat that you buy in a supermarket, marbleized
01:53:56 meat. And so I'm sorry, all the ranchers and a lot of people say that marbleization is what you pay
01:54:01 for. Here's the ironic thing. Let me say it for the first time in a podcast. When you are buying
01:54:06 prime meat, you're buying disease meat and paying more for it by choice. The only difference is
01:54:13 Less marbleization.
01:54:15 It's the USDA grading.
01:54:17 You don't want prime.
01:54:18 You want choice?
01:54:20 Oh.
01:54:20 And it's cheaper.
01:54:21 Oh.
01:54:21 It's less diseased.
01:54:23 And Americans are paying more.
01:54:25 It's ironic that our federal government, USDA, Undersecretary Rollins, she runs the USDA.
01:54:32 They actually pay inspectors to go look at the level of marbleization and say, that's high enough.
01:54:38 It's got enough, really has enough disease in it that you could be able to charge prime.
01:54:44 So the consumers are that backwards in their mentality.
01:54:48 They're buying more diseased meat.
01:54:50 And it's even worse with Wagyu.
01:54:52 You're paying sometimes $100 a pound for the diseased animal.
01:54:57 And these cattle, I've been told, can barely stand, much less walk.
01:55:01 Oh, my gosh.
01:55:03 They can't fornicate. 1.00
01:55:04 They can't reproduce.
01:55:05 Now, artificial dissemination is kind of a practice.
01:55:08 It's practiced a lot in the cattle industry.
01:55:11 However, here's an interesting fact I've never heard.
01:55:14 I've read this, it blew me away, Wagyu beef.
01:55:16 When the egg is fertilized, the embryo,
01:55:19 they don't transfer it back into a Wagyu cattle. 0.94
01:55:22 They transfer it back into a Charmaine
01:55:25 because the Wagyu is not helping.
01:55:28 It's a different breed of cattle.
01:55:30 And so the Charmains are not as diseased as Wagyu beef
01:55:33 because the baby can't survive long enough in gestation.
01:55:37 and the mother won't live during birth.
01:55:40 And so they actually literally just use
01:55:42 the diseased egg and sperm.
01:55:44 Then they put it into a different breed of cattle.
01:55:47 So you're not a big fan of the Wagyu?
01:55:48 No, I'm not.
01:55:49 What is there, other than looking for choice
01:55:51 at the grocery store and grass-fed,
01:55:54 if you can find it grass-finished as well,
01:55:56 is there like a cut of beef that you recommend?
01:56:00 Cuts that I like, typically if it's really grass-fed
01:56:04 or grass-finished, or my favorite beef right now
01:56:06 is plain view beef which is grass-fed sprout finished so they feed these sprouts that have
01:56:12 higher nutrients to these cattle and they get a higher level omega-3s they get inside their meat
01:56:19 and that means the meat their flesh is more nutritious so you get more nutrition for your
01:56:26 money so grass-fed sprout finished plain view beef i don't i i sponsor them but i don't get
01:56:32 any money uh i just promote them because i'm a physician i don't want you don't have to pay me
01:56:37 money to say something good so i like that that particular type i also like p manis i like white
01:56:43 oak pastures uh and i like u.s wellness those are all grass-fed grass-finished uh um rancher
01:56:51 providers right and they're they're right here in america and on the cuts and in ribeyes new york
01:56:56 strips hamburger if it's grass-fed grass finished you want that fat but if it's grass-fed grain
01:57:03 finished or just all grain cut the trim the fat off go with the leaner cuts like new york strips
01:57:10 or fillets don't get the hamburger if it's grain fed because it will be more inflammatory higher
01:57:15 levels of omega-6s and just not as good but grass-fed grass finish or grass-fed sprout
01:57:22 finished, higher nutrition, and you can get any cut you want, eat nose to tail, and you'll have
01:57:30 a higher level of nutrition and be healthier. If it's just grass-fed, because most of us just
01:57:34 go to the grocery store and it doesn't say anything about how it's finished, just says
01:57:36 grass-fed, should we be eating the whole thing? Like, is the fat in that product okay to eat or
01:57:43 no? Yeah, it's better than no grain, no grass-fed at all. But here's an interesting thing. Like,
01:57:49 you talked about grass-fed. One of the things I've noticed when I eat grass-fed and grass-finished
01:57:56 that you extract a lot more nutrients in that. So take a picture, take a look at this.
01:58:05 So this is an interesting phenomena that happens to my clients. That is a yellow mountain or yellow
01:58:13 green Mountain Dew. They put this color in because it creates a signal and makes you want to buy.
01:58:18 it's a positive signal in your brain that that's good.
01:58:21 Well, here's the interesting thing.
01:58:22 When you start eating grass-fed, grass-finished
01:58:24 and you eat ferments, I never told you this,
01:58:27 surprise, surprise, that that jar on the left is urine.
01:58:32 That's green, fluorescent green.
01:58:34 That's crazy.
01:58:35 That looks like a witch's brew.
01:58:37 You'll start peeing a fluorescent green
01:58:40 when you eat grass-fed, grass-finished
01:58:43 with a healthy microbiome.
01:58:44 Really?
01:58:44 So my clients are all waiting to pee green
01:58:47 and then they get in the client group,
01:58:49 I'm starting to pee green.
01:58:51 And then I've done this a hundred times, Megan,
01:58:54 when I go and start eating green,
01:58:56 because sometimes my boys would come back
01:58:57 from Texas A&M and I'd have to hit Costco.
01:59:01 I mean, those kids are eating a lot.
01:59:02 I'm a military family.
01:59:04 So we'd go buy a lot of steaks at Costco
01:59:06 and green urine would disappear.
01:59:08 And then when the boys would go home,
01:59:10 go back to school, I'd eat the grass.
01:59:12 The green urine would come back. 0.72
01:59:14 And so the reason is, is heme.
01:59:17 Heme is present in higher-
01:59:19 H-E-E-M? 0.95
01:59:20 H-E-M-E.
01:59:21 So H-E-M-E is higher in grass-fed, grass-finished meat
01:59:26 and lower in grain-fed.
01:59:28 And vegans don't get it.
01:59:30 So vegans don't get to pee green.
01:59:32 They don't have this really attractive-
01:59:34 I know, they're missing out on it.
01:59:36 But it really turns on your microbiome.
01:59:40 So the degree of your microbiome
01:59:42 adds to your ability to do that.
01:59:44 And one trick, if you're listening today
01:59:46 and you want to try eating, you know, getting this green pea,
01:59:49 and I call it the ultimate bioflex,
01:59:51 like you ain't nothing unless you can pea green, you know,
01:59:55 is to take it from a piece of meat.
01:59:58 You take grass-fed, grass-finished liver
02:00:01 because that has way more heme in it.
02:00:04 Oh.
02:00:05 And you eat that liver and then you have a higher concentration.
02:00:08 You eat liver?
02:00:09 I do.
02:00:09 How do you prepare it?
02:00:11 So I have a little interesting way of doing it.
02:00:13 I take it and I blend it for 10 seconds with water.
02:00:18 I know.
02:00:19 And then I add a little kefir and I shake it up.
02:00:21 So I add a little ferment to it.
02:00:23 Yeah.
02:00:24 And then I usually add a little brine and shake it up.
02:00:26 And then I eat it like a little kid.
02:00:28 Drink it.
02:00:29 I hold my nose.
02:00:30 Yeah.
02:00:31 Because it tastes like iron.
02:00:32 And I drink it in one shot down.
02:00:35 It's like 10 gulps.
02:00:37 I get that liver.
02:00:37 And two hours later, I'm peeing green from that grass-fed, grass-finished liver.
02:00:42 When we went to Scandinavia, we went to a farmer's house for a lunch, the whole family. And I don't eat fish. I just don't like it. I never have. And it was all fish. We forgot to ask what the menu would be. And I was like right on the water in Norway. And it was all fish, which it was like, okay, fine. I was making my way through it with a polite bite here or there.
02:01:04 and then she brought out this fish that was like in the shape of a bell i don't know it had been
02:01:09 like formed and it was fried and uh one of my kids asked how how did you make this and the woman the
02:01:16 mom this norwegian woman you know stout sturdy lady was like oh we put the whole fish in the
02:01:22 blender and we just blend it up and then we use the cookie cutter thing to make the shape i was
02:01:27 like, is anyone else sweating? I think I need to step outside. Just the thought of a freaking
02:01:35 blended fish. I'm not sure I'm going to make this. Anyway, blended livers, not quite that bad,
02:01:45 but it's up there. You should have shared that with Chevy Chase for a new vacation movie.
02:01:49 Yes, it was that level. All right, let me go through a couple of other things. I know I'm
02:01:54 jumping all over the place now, but I only have another 40 minutes with you and I want to make
02:01:57 account. Steve Krakauer, our executive producer, wanted to know, is there any way other than the
02:02:04 MRI to figure out what your visceral fat is? Yeah, great question. So the other way to visualize
02:02:10 visceral fat, and by the way, the only ways to directly visualize it is by either an MRI or CT
02:02:17 scan. So a lot of people will report that their levels of visceral fat are X amount because they
02:02:24 you do a DEXA scan.
02:02:25 So let me just say, DEXA is a technology
02:02:29 that's completely incapable of directly visualizing
02:02:34 and measurable visceral fat.
02:02:35 What it does is it looks at overall body fat
02:02:40 and it does an interpretation through algorithms
02:02:44 that's based on your weight
02:02:47 and what it sees in fat and your muscle.
02:02:50 And it extrapolates what an average person would have
02:02:54 So it doesn't really measure your visceral fat, doesn't image your visceral fat.
02:02:58 You can't see it on a DEXA scan, but you can on a CT and MRI.
02:03:02 Well, what's the difference between CT and MRI?
02:03:04 MRI is better resolution.
02:03:06 You can see it more.
02:03:07 And CT, less resolution, and it also uses radiation, and the MRI uses magnetic field.
02:03:16 So I have my clients using safe magnetic field, non-ionizing MRIs.
02:03:24 They get a better image.
02:03:26 And by the way, the clearer you see this disease, the more your life changes.
02:03:32 So you've got to see it.
02:03:34 And the MRI, like, it's going to be about $2,400.
02:03:37 About $2,400.
02:03:38 It's not cheap, but it's not.
02:03:39 That's a full body.
02:03:40 I thought it was going to be 10 times as much.
02:03:42 Yeah, it's a full body, $2,400 from ProNuva, where we sent you to.
02:03:46 They're the best in the country
02:03:48 that I've ever seen for capturing.
02:03:50 The imaging is the best and how they do it.
02:03:52 And can I tell you, it was quite pleasant.
02:03:54 I was lying there.
02:03:56 It wasn't uncomfortable at all.
02:03:58 You know, like one time I had to have an MRI on my shoulder
02:04:00 and it was so uncomfortable
02:04:01 because your arm has to be back like this
02:04:02 for prolonged periods.
02:04:04 It was just lying, you know, supine.
02:04:06 And they gave me the little eyepiece,
02:04:10 you know, this thing like this mask over your eyes.
02:04:12 And I watched The Gentleman.
02:04:15 You could pick your show on Netflix or what have you.
02:04:17 It was very pleasant.
02:04:18 They had good snacks.
02:04:19 They had delicious coffee.
02:04:21 They're really good.
02:04:21 It was very nice.
02:04:23 Yeah, they got it down, the best science, the best imaging, and they also standardized it.
02:04:28 So I sent all my clients there if I can.
02:04:31 Now, some clients are in foreign countries, although they're also in Dubai and some other foreign countries, London.
02:04:38 But you can also, instead of just getting a full body scan, you can just get an abdominal scan.
02:04:44 And a Donald scan frequently will capture
02:04:47 at least some of the heart so you can see that fat.
02:04:49 Listen, you have it.
02:04:50 You have visceral fat.
02:04:52 If you can't afford the MRI, just know that you have it
02:04:54 and you have to do something about it.
02:04:56 I mean, really, the odds of you not having it,
02:04:58 I think, are pretty slim
02:04:59 if you've been eating any processed foods
02:05:01 or your regular American diet.
02:05:02 And we hope to get the price down.
02:05:03 If America starts tracking visceral fat,
02:05:07 the price will come down through scales of economy.
02:05:09 Okay.
02:05:10 And so I think there's a future
02:05:11 that it's gonna come down cheaper.
02:05:13 Okay, so that's, we're talking about her diagnosis.
02:05:16 Again, forgive me for jumping around,
02:05:18 but I wanna hit all my points.
02:05:19 I didn't ask you about your lunch and your dinner.
02:05:21 We just did the breakfast.
02:05:22 Yeah, so my lunch will oftentimes be
02:05:25 just a different variant.
02:05:27 I will have more meat.
02:05:29 Sometimes it's a completely different meat.
02:05:32 So I might go from ribeyes just to New York strips,
02:05:36 or I might start doing massive amounts of hamburgers.
02:05:40 So I take hamburgers.
02:05:42 I don't make patties.
02:05:43 I take the square hamburgers and break them in half twice
02:05:46 so they're squares, they're nice and thick, and I grill them.
02:05:49 I like it medium rare to rare inside, and I'll eat tons of those.
02:05:54 I'll eat like 12, you know, three pounds of hamburger,
02:05:58 put some cheese on it, and all my ferments.
02:06:00 Only the cheese that was approved.
02:06:02 Yes, only, you know, I had no Val Vita.
02:06:05 Aged cheddar, you said?
02:06:07 That was a new one.
02:06:07 Aged, aged.
02:06:09 So it's just whole cheddar.
02:06:10 Or would the grocery store have that?
02:06:12 So, yeah.
02:06:13 And it will oftentimes be on a label.
02:06:17 It will say aged like one year, aged six months.
02:06:20 The older, the better, the more fermented.
02:06:22 If you don't want to do all the ferments all over your plate
02:06:25 because you're rushed or whatever,
02:06:26 is it okay to just have the cheese in the burger
02:06:28 because the cheese is the ferment?
02:06:30 I mean, a little bit, yeah.
02:06:32 And sometimes, honest to God, I have to do that
02:06:34 because I only could get like one.
02:06:37 I'm going somewhere on the move.
02:06:39 I'm going all over the place.
02:06:40 So sometimes I can't get fermented vegetables, kimchi.
02:06:44 Now, Asian markets are everywhere all over the world,
02:06:47 but sometimes you can't get it and you can get cheese.
02:06:50 And so I at least will eat the living cheese with my meat
02:06:54 and get it in that way.
02:06:56 That improves it.
02:06:57 Okay, so then we get to the dinner.
02:07:00 Now, you have sometimes a chef who helps you.
02:07:03 You don't eat with the chef every night,
02:07:05 but I have to show the audience a bit of this video
02:07:08 because I had hope reappear in my life when I saw this video.
02:07:12 It looked so elegant and so lovely and inviting.
02:07:15 I was like, oh, okay, because at first I'm thinking,
02:07:17 every meat forevermore, I'm going to have a hunk of burger
02:07:20 and like a bunch of sauerkraut?
02:07:22 That doesn't sound like a life.
02:07:24 And then I saw this video and I started thinking about it very differently.
02:07:27 Let's play some of what Dr. Sean's chef prepared when he had a guest over.
02:07:34 Every fruit on here is fermented and every nut or seed, anything that I use is always fermented.
02:07:41 On the bottom, you have a pumpkin kibasa with a little bit of sour cream.
02:07:49 I actually took the barbacoa sauce and then fermented that.
02:07:52 So it's guajillo chilies, casilla peppers, and organic tomatoes.
02:07:58 and then you have just a sprinkle of a lava salt
02:08:04 and then you have a Piedmontese picanha
02:08:09 and then New York strip and ribeye.
02:08:13 Yum.
02:08:14 Looks delicious.
02:08:15 Everything's fermented other than beef.
02:08:16 Absolutely.
02:08:17 None of that is not fermented.
02:08:19 It's all fermented except for the meat.
02:08:22 And my chef is exquisite.
02:08:24 He's the best in the world that I'm aware of
02:08:27 with fermentation, adding it to meat.
02:08:28 He's got to do a cookbook ASAP.
02:08:30 He is.
02:08:31 He and I are writing a cookbook.
02:08:32 Good.
02:08:32 The Living Diet Cookbook.
02:08:34 Oh, good.
02:08:35 So we trademarked that name, The Living Diet.
02:08:38 So we'll do that.
02:08:40 And I'm going to have a white coat on mine,
02:08:41 the Dr. White Coat.
02:08:42 He'll have a chef coat on the cover.
02:08:44 I like it.
02:08:44 And we'll launch it.
02:08:45 But yeah, he's great.
02:08:46 He works with my clients to make sure
02:08:49 that they can eat well.
02:08:50 You can eat super healthy and super delicious.
02:08:54 A lot of people like you were afraid initially
02:08:56 that if you're going to eat healthy,
02:08:58 you're going to have to dive down into a world
02:09:00 where it's not palatable and it's not sensational.
02:09:04 It can be every bit of the delicious meal
02:09:08 that people are eating right now.
02:09:10 Only these meals actually make you better
02:09:13 instead of diseasing you.
02:09:14 And it looked elegant.
02:09:15 I mean, I would be happy to serve that at a dinner party.
02:09:20 Back to the bathroom, you talked about the urine,
02:09:24 but we didn't talk about the number two because I did see what you said about this.
02:09:31 I don't know, maybe it was in New York Magazine or the Wall Street Journal. I can't remember,
02:09:34 but it was very funny. And I'm just going to read what you said.
02:09:39 When you start eating healthy, you don't need toilet paper. Animals in the wild have no residual
02:09:45 stool on their anus. He described a proper bowel movement to me this way.
02:09:50 uh odorless wipe free over in three to seven seconds and nearly orgasmic okay that's that's
02:10:01 a bridge too far but it could you just explain so everything's going to change in the bathroom 0.97
02:10:07 yes so you're only as good as you defecate and as you pee so your biological functionality
02:10:14 really is a marker of how healthy you are.
02:10:18 So over the thousands of clients I've worked with,
02:10:21 they're able to devocate so much better.
02:10:24 They overcome constipation.
02:10:27 And they have a stool.
02:10:28 Oh, we have a picture of the stool.
02:10:30 It's just, it's not a real one.
02:10:32 It's just a graphic.
02:10:33 But they do teach this in medical school.
02:10:35 And this is the Bristol stool chart.
02:10:37 And what you want is stool like four,
02:10:40 the number four that's pointy.
02:10:42 And when you have pointy stool,
02:10:43 It looks like kielbasa. 0.98
02:10:45 You don't have residual stool on your anus. 0.95
02:10:48 And animals in the wild don't need toilet paper because they have a healthy, functioning anus. 0.99
02:10:54 And your anus is a marker of how healthy you are.
02:10:59 And when you toilet trained your kids, you taught them to wipe, and you said, 0.98
02:11:03 Mommy says to wipe, Daddy says to wipe, and there was nothing on that toilet paper
02:11:07 because their little anuses and their gas intestinal tracts were so healthy.
02:11:10 And so what happens is you have a rectum, it fills with stool, the stretch receptors get triggered, it tells the host, the organism to start moving towards the bathroom, you're going to have a bowel movement, your anus is on the outside, it's actually folded in.
02:11:25 And as you have a bowel movement, it opens up and comes, unfolds, and there's a little tiny hole that creates that little tip on the initial part of that stool, little tiny tip.
02:11:36 And then it opens up to a preformed kind of a distance, kind of it's like a supercomputer.
02:11:42 You have a normal-shaped stool.
02:11:44 And then when the stress receptors relax, it starts a program to close it perfectly.
02:11:49 And that's why a healthy stool has points on each end.
02:11:54 And when you wipe, there's no stool.
02:11:56 So I tell my clients, my report card is how well this works in your report card.
02:12:02 Eventually, you won't have any residual stool.
02:12:05 Wow. 0.98
02:12:05 And you'll have these ghost wipes where you wipe and your anus is super high. 0.84
02:12:09 Now, when you are having a stool like that, you're running, you're sprinting, you're standing, you're enjoying life to a new level. 0.97
02:12:16 You're having sexual relations with your spouse, like whole way better level of living than you've ever lived before.
02:12:25 And yeah, the fact that we, and COVID, everybody needed toilet paper because we were so diseased. 0.60
02:12:31 So I often tell my clients, you're going to make this up, come in and work with me.
02:12:34 and the amount of money you're going to save in toilet paper alone for the rest of your life.
02:12:39 So yeah, how well you defecate, how well you pee is an expression and a marker of how healthy you are.
02:12:44 And not only that, but you also mentioned in the bedroom for men,
02:12:48 you should expect potentially better performance because you've got the whole blood flow going.
02:12:53 You've got better circulation, the same way I could see your vein pumping in your arm.
02:12:56 Yes. So blood flow really is all over your body.
02:13:00 So your genitalia really should be a biomarker of how healthy you are.
02:13:06 But you don't want to take a pill to be able to achieve an erection if you're a male. 0.96
02:13:10 You want to have a lifestyle that allows you to have a super healthy erection.
02:13:15 And what we have noticed, and it wasn't taught in medical school, I have this conversation
02:13:19 in urologists, is when clients get a much healthier erection, they report this little
02:13:25 teeny balance that started out.
02:13:27 And then the balance would get bigger and more prominent.
02:13:29 So there are these 60-year-old males no longer need Viagra or Cialis.
02:13:34 They get a fantastic erection, and this little bounce eventually turns into this big bounce.
02:13:39 And just imagine 50,000 years ago before there was the sacrament of matrimony and marriage and things, there would be males walking around. 0.93
02:13:48 They would get an erection.
02:13:49 the maids are waiting in some watering hole would be attracted to that male with a big bounce 0.99
02:13:56 because he had better perfusion and better genetics and he would hunt better. You'd see
02:14:03 that bounce. You're like, this guy is going to provide some massive woolly mammoth meat to me.
02:14:09 I'm going to live well compared to the person with like a little teeny bounce or no bounce at all.
02:14:15 and it's just like drooping down.
02:14:17 So that blood flow is key, 0.83
02:14:20 but not just to your genitalia,
02:14:21 to your brain, to your liver,
02:14:24 to your heart, to your muscles and to your skin.
02:14:28 So health is your whole package,
02:14:31 you know, how well you look.
02:14:32 So these little attributes
02:14:34 are just part of the biometrical expression,
02:14:37 but it's the whole body.
02:14:38 Okay, so the other piece of it is outside of eating,
02:14:44 There's exercise, and then there are lifestyle things.
02:14:47 Like I know you mentioned cold plunge, which you like.
02:14:49 You love sauna.
02:14:50 You told me I should go in the sauna every day,
02:14:52 which I will, and I have been.
02:14:54 Ideally, dry sauna versus infrared,
02:14:57 20 minutes if you can do it.
02:15:00 Sweat, you want to be sweating.
02:15:02 And you have maintained on social media
02:15:04 that the better shape you get in
02:15:06 with the eating program and everything,
02:15:07 the sooner you'll sweat.
02:15:08 So I believe that, because I'm not a good sweater.
02:15:11 Sweat, I will be.
02:15:12 You will be.
02:15:12 But can we talk about the exercise?
02:15:15 Because if you go to Dr. Sean's Instagram,
02:15:18 you're gonna see he's ripped.
02:15:19 There's a lot of shirtless videos of you on there.
02:15:23 And you say you only do five minutes of exercise a day.
02:15:27 I do.
02:15:27 So explain this.
02:15:28 Yes, so the bottom line is we have exercised incorrectly.
02:15:33 When we set up this study to get rid of chronic disease
02:15:36 for the National Science Foundation,
02:15:38 we studied, we forgot the science
02:15:41 because it's not working. We're falling apart. We study what goes on in nature. They have no
02:15:46 visceral fat, no hard fat, no muscle fat. So how do they exercise? How do they eat?
02:15:51 We copied those things and we put humans into doing those tasks. So how do animals exercise
02:15:57 is they have fights. They sprint, fight or flight. You may be a journalist, but biologically,
02:16:05 you're a hunter-gatherer. And the way you always exercise our species is fight or flight.
02:16:11 It's not chronic exercise.
02:16:13 I'm sorry, but not chronic exercise.
02:16:16 We get our clients to stop doing durational exercise.
02:16:18 It's fight or flight.
02:16:20 It lasts about one to five minutes, and then it's done.
02:16:23 It's a big fight or a big sprint.
02:16:25 And so we get our clients to save gobs of time.
02:16:29 Most of them are like senators or governors or high-level executives.
02:16:34 They love the fact that we save them time instead of having to go to a gym
02:16:38 and work out for 30 to 45 minutes a day.
02:16:41 We get them sprinting for a few seconds a day
02:16:44 and doing push-ups and pull-ups and lifting weights.
02:16:47 And the ROI on that is phenomenal.
02:16:50 We see that fat disappearing on MRIs.
02:16:53 We see the fat leaving in their legs
02:16:55 and their skeletal muscle.
02:16:56 We see the fat around the rectum disappearing
02:17:00 through maximum intensity exercise.
02:17:03 So the bottom line is everybody else is lifting raw,
02:17:07 exercising incorrectly. It's fight or flight. That's how you're meant to design and it's
02:17:12 recovery period. And, and so that's why we do that. If somebody goes outside today, now I know
02:17:19 it depends on how old they are, but how, what does a sprint look like? I mean, and you were saying,
02:17:24 don't do it on your treadmill, do it out on the road. So we, yeah, we believe in nature, but first
02:17:29 before anybody thinks that they can go exercise with a belly full of visceral fat and do a sprint
02:17:34 or lift weights, they got to be medically clear. That disease sets you up. The more disease you
02:17:40 have, the more likely it is you're going to get a strain. Think about a deer that's at its end of
02:17:48 life. It can still sprint. It looks good. You probably wouldn't even be able to tell it's an
02:17:52 old deer. You sure can tell an old human because of the amount of chronic disease they have.
02:17:58 But that visceral fat can set you up to have an injury when you start sprinting. So you got to
02:18:03 ease into this so i have my clients start eliminating visceral fat work with our um i
02:18:09 don't really call coaches or work with our executive consultants or biological consultants
02:18:14 that work with people to help them get started into sprinting and lifting weights so you want
02:18:19 to be medically cleared you want to ease into this start eliminating your visceral fat and also
02:18:24 improving the inflammation your visceral fat before even as your visceral fat is going down
02:18:30 the very characteristic of that fat is going down
02:18:33 and it improves your performance as that happens.
02:18:36 So just a little bit of visceral fat reduction
02:18:38 dramatically changes people's faces,
02:18:41 their bodies, and their level of performance.
02:18:44 So what does this typical sprint look like?
02:18:47 Typical sprint that we have people do
02:18:49 is about 10 seconds, maybe 15 seconds long.
02:18:54 Start slow and slowly accelerate
02:18:56 because the acceleration is where the injury happens.
02:18:59 when you're first accelerating and think about this in the wild like people like i got all these
02:19:05 athletes attacking me when i said you want to be able to sprint that animals in the wild sprint
02:19:10 if animals are grazing and they go from zero miles per hour to 60 in like no time flat there's no
02:19:16 warming up i mean yeah humans have to warm up because we're so diseased but that's not your
02:19:22 ideal state your ideal state is to be standing and suddenly gunfire and or car coming towards you
02:19:28 and you can sprint out of the way.
02:19:30 We've all seen those videos of the fat guy
02:19:33 can barely get out of the way,
02:19:34 gets clobbered because they can't react fast enough.
02:19:38 In nature, that's how you get eliminated from the gene pool.
02:19:41 In humans, you want to have a capability
02:19:44 of reacting instantly, very quickly,
02:19:46 not needing to warm up.
02:19:49 That is your optimal state that you want to get to.
02:19:52 So that's where I work with clients
02:19:53 so they can react in a nanosecond
02:19:56 to any kind of a threat that's going on
02:19:58 Or a tough question, when you're a litigator, you're handing somebody on a stand, you're cross-examining, you can react very quickly because to the extent you can react physically, you can react intellectually.
02:20:11 So physiology and cognitive capabilities go together.
02:20:15 So 15 seconds, you go out there, assuming you've built it up to this point, you go out there, 15 seconds, you start off slow, and then you go full bore.
02:20:24 Full bore for 10 to 15 seconds.
02:20:26 And then you rest for how long after that?
02:20:28 And then you, usually I try to get people to rest
02:20:32 until their shortness of breath goes away.
02:20:34 And by the way, I've yet to see any form of exercise
02:20:37 get you more to short a breath in 10 seconds than a sprint.
02:20:42 I mean, I can go get a gigantic barbell
02:20:44 and put as much weight on as possible
02:20:47 and try to lift it for 10 seconds
02:20:48 or even lift it for 10 seconds.
02:20:50 I'm not as short as breath as I get in doing the test
02:20:52 because you use so much muscles.
02:20:54 So you wait until it comes back down
02:20:56 And then you do another, like how many of those, or you just keep doing it until five
02:20:59 minutes are done.
02:21:00 Yeah, you do.
02:21:01 I'll do it over five minutes.
02:21:02 And I actually, my best favorite thing to do is to do about six sprints of about 10 seconds.
02:21:09 And I do it over the course of eight hours, every hour, you know, when I'm doing productions,
02:21:15 when I'm doing admin, I'm reviewing scans, I'm, I'm working with clients.
02:21:20 I'll go out and do a short sprint.
02:21:22 And I have one sprint or you do the five minute thing.
02:21:25 every 30 seconds six every hour a 30 second sprint wow okay bless excuse me and i mix it up
02:21:34 and then executives when they open up a report and the kpi and the company is doing bad drop
02:21:41 and do push-ups or go out and do sprints 15 seconds yep you just jacked up your cortisol
02:21:46 and what's killing americans are is unrecovered stress you just tolerate it but i i have told
02:21:54 people that go into the white house situation room do push-ups in this situation room do push-ups
02:22:01 in your boardroom do push it when life happens answer the stress that you get with some brief
02:22:10 intense form of exercise and that's how you get rid of stress that is otherwise causing disease
02:22:15 and ultimately can lead to your early demise deteriorate your face your health your performance
02:22:21 So you look at poor Senator Mitchell today, stress from being McConnell, sorry, McConnell, the the majority leader that he had for that period of time, you accumulate all this stress and it causes cognitive decline.
02:22:35 It happened to Joe Biden. So politicians, business executives, chairmen of the board, singers, performers, journalists running shows, you meet you get stressed.
02:22:46 You've got to meet that stress through recovery, doing some kind of form of intense exercise.
02:22:51 But it doesn't take a lot.
02:22:52 And so in studies, antelopes, when they get attacked by lions and tigers,
02:22:57 before the attack, their cortisol is going up.
02:23:00 The lion and tigers are milling around.
02:23:02 Those antelopes are restless.
02:23:03 They're moving around.
02:23:04 But when the attack happens, they're sprinting.
02:23:07 And the adrenaline and the mild kinds that get released lower your cortisol.
02:23:12 Now, durational runners, they're out jogging.
02:23:15 jogging and when when they jog for a long time it raises their cortisol they stop jogging they go
02:23:20 back to their house they're drinking water the cortisol stays elevated when you do a sprint
02:23:25 many studies show you don't even bump the cortisol up in a short sprint but if you do enough it will
02:23:31 go up and then when you stop sprinting it goes down ready for this lower than when you started
02:23:37 that sprint so that's how you improve yourself what about how did you how do you do you get
02:23:42 muscles i mean you're obviously doing more than sprinting when you sprint if i could only do one
02:23:48 thing i couldn't lift weights um i couldn't do anything else it would be a sprint so what happens
02:23:54 like this this guy whose example the best mri scan with the best the biggest muscles that i've ever
02:24:02 seen in inside a core this guy right here at the bottom all he did was sprint he did nothing else
02:24:09 What about for your arms?
02:24:11 It causes mild kinds that produce your arms.
02:24:14 And when you sprint, you're using your arms.
02:24:17 And so I learned this when I became a researcher.
02:24:20 I put blood flow restriction bands on my arms.
02:24:23 And I realized when I added those in, I got much more short of breath.
02:24:27 So Megan, you use your arms like crazy in a sprint.
02:24:31 You think it's just your legs.
02:24:33 But that's why you get so short of breath in a sprint.
02:24:37 and so you want to be sprinting if you could only do one thing you want to be able to do sprinting
02:24:43 but do other things push-ups push-ups okay and lifting weights for how long like if you're doing
02:24:48 push-ups just to the point of exhaustion exhaustion you can't do any more until i'm praying to god
02:24:53 ask me to do one more dear god help me help me i go right to sheer exhaustion because that's how
02:24:58 you fought when you were fighting for your life you don't say oh i think i'm gonna stop and die
02:25:04 No, if you exercise in that manner with that level of intensity, you produce a higher level of myokine, which tells your body to do things, burn deadly fat and produce beneficial muscle.
02:25:18 Okay, wait.
02:25:18 And so that's why we get great results.
02:25:20 We got 10 minutes, so we got to tear through these last things.
02:25:23 You say kids can do this.
02:25:25 Yes.
02:25:25 Talk to your doctor.
02:25:26 He won't like it.
02:25:27 But because I was saying, you know, like my teenager, how's he supposed to do it?
02:25:31 has to go into school and eat at the lunch counter, which is definitely not going to have
02:25:35 ferments and grass-fed beef. Yeah. So lunch counters oftentimes in schools
02:25:41 have very poor levels of health, but look at these kids. Even kids can do this. So
02:25:47 these are two different MRI scans on these kids, but look at their faces. They have inflamed
02:25:54 looking faces. So this is happening. Visceral fat is accumulating. We have the permission to show
02:25:58 this we do okay this family came to me and they want this in fact this was shared with very very
02:26:03 high level people in our government but look at their faces how much they changed so their thin
02:26:09 little pale lips become big and red and healthy and their eyes become healthy their faces this
02:26:17 is six months of eliminating visceral fat by working with their mom and dad and by the way
02:26:23 Both sets of grandparents did this together.
02:26:25 The entire family, 11 of them came to me.
02:26:30 They caused me a lot of, I was doing a lot of sprints
02:26:32 those three days, trying to scan 11 of them
02:26:34 and then sit down and go through all of them.
02:26:37 But when families do this together,
02:26:39 they get even better results than a single individual.
02:26:41 What do they eat at lunch?
02:26:41 What do they eat at school lunch?
02:26:43 They eat meat and they also bring firmness.
02:26:46 Now these kids happen to be homeschooled.
02:26:48 So they're homeschooled.
02:26:49 And so they have a little bit of advantage,
02:26:51 But I'm working, trying to work with a school
02:26:56 I can't quite say, but it's a school that
02:26:59 Sorry
02:27:00 It was in the news
02:27:03 And we're going to get this diet into that school
02:27:06 In Minnesota?
02:27:07 Oh no
02:27:08 Yeah, we're going to do it there
02:27:10 The Catholic school that was the subject of the shooting?
02:27:13 Yeah
02:27:13 Oh, that's terrible
02:27:14 Yeah, they approached me
02:27:15 So we're going to do it
02:27:17 And they approached me
02:27:20 and they want to be a model for the rest of the archdiocese
02:27:23 and the rest of the country.
02:27:25 So I'm just, it's such a great thing.
02:27:27 I can't wait to tell Secretary Kennedy that story.
02:27:30 But yeah, we're going to help those kids.
02:27:33 And so they want me to microbes.
02:27:36 They want to do this.
02:27:37 So I'm just so excited.
02:27:39 For the audience, the pictures are remarkable.
02:27:42 They're little boys who they look maybe six years old to me, seven.
02:27:46 and their faces are completely like shrunken
02:27:50 in the second picture in a good way.
02:27:52 Like their bone structure has come out.
02:27:53 Their lips have come out.
02:27:54 Their big eyes are more beautiful.
02:27:56 Like it's a remarkable difference.
02:27:59 Okay, I wanna keep going.
02:28:01 The, can we talk about the dental floss?
02:28:07 I mean, I told you about, I floss obsessively.
02:28:11 I'm a big flosser.
02:28:12 And you were like, stop doing that
02:28:14 unless you're going to rinse with ferment brine afterward.
02:28:18 I'm like, what?
02:28:20 Basically, I got to go downstairs and grab the pickle juice,
02:28:23 keep a little jar of it next to my sink,
02:28:26 or the sauerkraut juice, or apple cider vinegar, and what?
02:28:31 So you want a variety.
02:28:32 So think when you floss, you disrupt,
02:28:35 you like abrade those tissues,
02:28:37 and you're perturbing the skin,
02:28:38 and you're opening up your immune system.
02:28:41 And so when you just leave it open,
02:28:43 other pathogens from your tongue, biofilms can get in, and these travel to your gut and to your
02:28:50 brain. And we found that it's associated with dementia. But what we have our clients doing is
02:28:56 flossing, perturbing those immune systems, opening them up, and then rinsing, swishing around with
02:29:03 fermented brine, which adds beneficial microbes and metabolites.
02:29:08 The juice of something's been fermenting.
02:29:08 Just the juice of kimchi, fermented sauerkraut,
02:29:11 fermented carrots, even yogurts and kefirs.
02:29:14 So do it like a mouthwash. 0.95
02:29:15 Swish it around in there and spit it out.
02:29:16 Yeah, don't use antiseptic mouthwashes
02:29:19 within 15, 20 minutes of using like Listerine
02:29:22 or some product like that.
02:29:24 You actually raise your blood pressure.
02:29:26 It perturbs your physiology.
02:29:28 But adding in these ferments is the way to go
02:29:31 and will significantly improve your oral health
02:29:33 and your overall health.
02:29:35 You are a big proponent of sleep like every doctor on earth,
02:29:39 but you have a recommendation or two
02:29:42 for what to do when you can't sleep
02:29:44 and how to improve your chances of falling asleep
02:29:46 and staying asleep.
02:29:47 Yeah, so the healthy you are,
02:29:49 the better you'll be able to sleep.
02:29:51 But one big problem people have is-
02:29:53 Can I just say, just not for nothing,
02:29:54 but last night I slept like a baby
02:29:55 and I have sleep problems.
02:29:58 Yeah.
02:29:58 It was night one.
02:29:59 I don't know if it's like psychological,
02:30:01 but like a baby.
02:30:01 The microbes help you sleep so much better.
02:30:05 They really involved in the production of melatonin,
02:30:08 the microbiome.
02:30:09 Nothing will improve a human being more
02:30:11 than getting visceral fat.
02:30:12 And the way to do that is optimizing your microbiome.
02:30:15 That's the strategies we use, focus on microbiome.
02:30:18 But you also like to take the lights down
02:30:19 and do like these Himalayan salt lamps.
02:30:22 When you have lights that are from LEDs,
02:30:25 it's like eating processed foods.
02:30:28 So what you want are incandescent light bulbs
02:30:30 or light that goes through pink Himalayan salt
02:30:33 with a natural red, rather than like red glass.
02:30:37 A lot of people are doing like online influencers
02:30:39 recommend red incandescent light bulbs.
02:30:41 Just getting pink Himalayan salt,
02:30:43 the natural color tones that get the good Lord
02:30:46 and Mother Nature made and have that.
02:30:48 And it's like a campfire.
02:30:49 You put that on in your living room,
02:30:51 wherever you are.
02:30:52 All over our house, it's campfires.
02:30:54 Every room, we have these pink Himalayan salt lamps.
02:30:57 And when I travel and people like senators
02:31:00 and governors, very high people,
02:31:02 they have these incandescent light bulbs
02:31:04 and these pink Himalayan salt lamp light bulbs.
02:31:08 And it's a glowing red when they travel
02:31:10 and they sleep so much better.
02:31:11 Wow.
02:31:12 Getting rid of the light pollution.
02:31:14 It's not gonna work for kids who have to do homework
02:31:16 until the wee hours of the evening, unfortunately.
02:31:18 No, but you can at least get them on incandescent light bulbs
02:31:21 and it cuts out the blue spike.
02:31:23 They can still see.
02:31:24 So go back, buy incandescent light bulbs.
02:31:27 There's a great company called Strainless Lighting.
02:31:30 Thanks to Trump, we can get those again.
02:31:31 I don't have, yeah, thanks to President Trump.
02:31:34 I don't have any affiliation with Strainless Lighting, but it was a college kid.
02:31:38 He's geniusly thought of Strainless, so no strain, Strainless Lighting.
02:31:43 He knows he couldn't sleep in his college dorm room.
02:31:46 He got an incandescent light, and he started sleeping better.
02:31:49 Now he launched this company, sells these little lights with incandescent light bulbs.
02:31:53 Absolutely love these lights.
02:31:55 I've given them to cabinet members and senators and stuff to have these lights when they travel.
02:32:01 It's a little small thing you can put in your suitcase.
02:32:05 And so incandescent light is beneficial
02:32:07 because it has a blue spike and it doesn't flicker.
02:32:10 These lights going on and off with LED lights flickering
02:32:13 cause inflammation and disrupt your melatonin
02:32:17 and disrupt your physiology.
02:32:18 And you also say, if you do wake up in the middle of the night,
02:32:20 rather than tossing and turning for 20 minutes in the bed,
02:32:23 what should you do?
02:32:24 Yeah, so people that have that,
02:32:26 oftentimes they're getting a cortisol spike.
02:32:29 And so to eliminate that, if you get some, particularly fasting can make you look crazed, crave a little more carbohydrates, want to wake up.
02:32:38 But if you take some probiotics or drink some kimchi brine before you go to bed, you'll sleep through that and you won't do that.
02:32:47 If you still wake up, you could have a little teaspoon of that kimchi brine, you know, it's non-caloric and a little non-chlorinated water and it'll ease you right back into sleep.
02:32:58 So that's a little tip.
02:33:00 Your microbiome is your most underutilized asset
02:33:04 that almost nobody's taken advantage of.
02:33:06 And that's why it's Wall Street Journal, New York Times,
02:33:10 the Times of London, the Financial Times.
02:33:13 All of these stories are picking up and it's just spreading.
02:33:17 What are we not anticipating?
02:33:20 What makes people quit?
02:33:22 Well, I think a big problem is bad microbes.
02:33:26 they have in them that war against them getting healthy here's the thing i'll just come out and
02:33:32 say it at the risk of alienating the audience the microbes you have in you where they reproduce and
02:33:38 what their mission is dictates what they're going to do in you and so if they live in you and
02:33:43 reproduce in you their full life cycle they're helping you they're creating metabolites to help
02:33:49 the host organism but let me ask this question what happens if they can't complete their life
02:33:56 cycle in you but only in dirt there's something like toxoplasmosis that can only complete its
02:34:03 life cycle in a cat well they cause rats when toxo gets in them you were told when you were
02:34:10 pregnant to stay away from cat litter boxes toxo causes a rat to lose its fear of a cat and it
02:34:18 literally walks around very prominently so that the cat sees the rat catches it kills it and eats
02:34:25 it because the toxo drives the rat to die so this is a way of saying what so what it means is your
02:34:32 microbes where they complete their life cycle influence where they're going to help you or hurt
02:34:38 you so the ones that need to complete their life cycle in the soil may be harming the host to kill
02:34:44 the host to get it into the dirt so don't go on instinct is your point no not going well you want
02:34:52 to get the very best microbes in you that complete their life cycle inside of you. And that comes the
02:34:57 best collection you can get that I can think of comes from fermented foods. All right, we've got
02:35:02 one minute left. So far, I feel kind of heavy in the stomach one day into it. Is that unusual?
02:35:08 No. Very often when people change their diet, start adding in fermented foods and eat more meat,
02:35:15 their microbiome needs to adjust over a period of time. So just take it as an indication great
02:35:20 things are happening inside of you and great things are coming. I can't wait to report back
02:35:25 on the bathroom, the bedroom, the street in front of my house as I run like the wind.
02:35:32 There's a lot to do. I'm actually excited to try it. And I love that you gave us all this time.
02:35:37 And thank you so much for everything you've done for me, Sean. It's been a pleasure getting to
02:35:41 know you. Well, thank you for being a brave American. Have me come on your show, sharing
02:35:45 it with the audience. It means so much to me. And I'm so grateful. To be continued. This is
02:35:50 beginning of a beautiful relationship. I hope so. Check them out. Is there a website, Sean?
02:35:54 Yeah. You can find out more from me, drseanomara.com. D-R-S-E-A-N-O-M-A-R-A.com.
02:36:02 Awesome. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.