The Megyn Kelly Show - Media Lies About Hegseth, and the Cultural Shift That Led To Trump's Victory, with Victor Davis Hanson and Red Scare Hosts

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.380 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday. What a week. Oh, what a week.

00:00:48.880 We've got a great show for you today. Later I'm going to be joined by the ladies of the Red Scare podcast right here in studio.

00:00:54.960 That's going to be fun. But first, I just want to start with where we left off in this morning's episode.

00:01:01.180 Maybe you saw our special episode or listened to it that just hit on Pete Hegseth and the rape allegations against him that are making headlines all over the media.

00:01:09.800 I need to talk to you about this one more time because the way this is being covered is disgusting.

00:01:16.680 It is disgusting and it is grossly unfair.

00:01:20.520 We, my team and I have been watching the media devour this news of a police report without actually telling you what's in the police report.

00:01:30.200 Just grabbing the most salacious headline and proceeding as though it's true.

00:01:35.540 I'm going to start with CBS. Watch this.

00:01:39.200 According to the report, a woman referred to as Jane Doe met Hegseth during a conference at the Hyatt Regency Hotel.

00:01:46.260 Both were drinking with a group at the hotel bar when Doe said things got fuzzy.

00:01:51.220 A nurse who treated her later said Doe believed something may have been slipped into her drink.

00:01:56.020 She then recalled being in a hotel room when Hegseth took her phone from her hand.

00:02:01.300 When she got up to leave, Hegseth blocked the door with his body.

00:02:05.240 Her next memory was when she was on a bed or a couch and Hegseth was over her.

00:02:09.940 His dog tags were hovering over her face.

00:02:12.920 I don't know the young lady.

00:02:14.160 Oklahoma Senator Mark Wayne Mullin said Hegseth addressed the allegation in their meeting.

00:02:18.760 I don't think there's any way in the world you're going to say that this is a sexual assault.

00:02:22.520 What makes you so confident about that?

00:02:24.560 Have you read the report?

00:02:25.360 I actually have.

00:02:26.540 I've got it right here.

00:02:27.440 I read the report, too.

00:02:28.400 It's pretty clear of what took place.

00:02:32.040 It was pretty clear that she definitely wasn't drug to her room.

00:02:36.540 It was two people flirting with each other.

00:02:38.160 Well, it also said she couldn't get out of the room.

00:02:40.440 Well, that's one person's opinion.

00:02:42.260 Oh, my God.

00:02:42.640 Hegseth's attorney told CBS News police found the allegations to be false and claimed it was Hegseth who was intoxicated and the woman who was the aggressor.

00:02:50.760 He also confirmed the Fox News host paid the woman an unknown sum of money after she threatened to sue, fearing it could cost him his job.

00:02:59.440 That is disgusting.

00:03:01.620 No, don't retext it to me.

00:03:02.780 I'm talking to my team off mic.

00:03:04.200 What's this woman's name?

00:03:05.580 Don't text it because I have something open on my text that I need.

00:03:08.500 What is it?

00:03:10.240 Nicole Killian?

00:03:12.180 Nicole Killian.

00:03:13.220 You're a hack.

00:03:16.340 Do your fucking homework, you absolute loser.

00:03:19.700 It's really not that hard.

00:03:21.080 It's called reading.

00:03:22.560 You claim you did it.

00:03:23.800 Do it.

00:03:24.480 Do it and then report what's actually in the actual police report.

00:03:28.860 What a disgusting cretin.

00:03:32.080 This is disgusting.

00:03:34.220 He's been accused, I believe, falsely of rape.

00:03:38.780 But you don't have to believe as I do, Nicole.

00:03:41.000 It's fine if you see it a different way.

00:03:43.300 However, you must report the facts.

00:03:45.780 Those are the rules of our business.

00:03:49.720 Anybody who doesn't report the exonerating facts for Pete Hegseth in this report is a hack and should be treated accordingly.

00:03:57.020 And it's not just CBS News.

00:03:58.680 All right.

00:03:58.880 We pulled in.

00:04:00.100 In fact, before I get to the other examples, let me just recap for you, because many of you are living your lives and aren't able to listen to every episode we put out.

00:04:07.600 But we went through this thing in great detail.

00:04:09.560 It's an hour long.

00:04:10.480 Highly recommend you listen.

00:04:11.980 And we released it this morning.

00:04:14.000 And I just wrote down the highlights of it for my team so that they could go check all the news reporting to see whether this stuff was in there.

00:04:22.400 OK, you know the allegations.

00:04:24.200 Jane Doe, that's what she's going by, claims that she and Pete hooked up.

00:04:27.820 Well, no, she claims it was a rape.

00:04:29.420 He claims it was a hookup at an event for some California Republican women's group in October of 2017.

00:04:35.420 She claims that she may have been slipped a drug, that the details are fuzzy.

00:04:41.480 And but that days later, she started to recall that she was in a sexual interlude with him and that it was non-consensual.

00:04:48.440 And while the details were blurry, she remembered saying no a lot.

00:04:52.640 Well, OK, that's fine.

00:04:53.960 That's what's all over the news, all over.

00:04:56.200 And then he blocked the door.

00:04:57.480 She tried to get out, but he blocked the door, which you heard that reporter Nicole throw back at that lawmaker like it was the alpha and omega of the story.

00:05:06.740 Nicole, pay attention, sweetheart.

00:05:08.820 I'm here for you.

00:05:09.560 In fact, if you look at this police report, here are some of the details not reported by the hacks at CBS.

00:05:17.620 Just a couple.

00:05:19.140 Jane Doe, we don't get to know her name.

00:05:21.020 We only get to know Pete.

00:05:22.000 We get to see Pete Hegseth, rape defendant.

00:05:25.260 But we don't get to know anything about Jane Doe.

00:05:27.340 What's Jane Doe's history?

00:05:28.620 Has Jane Doe accused others?

00:05:30.060 Is Jane Doe known as a credible and truthful person?

00:05:32.480 Does Jane Doe have a history of dishonesty or potentially even criminality?

00:05:36.160 We don't get to know any of that because we protect, quote, sexual assault victims, even if we don't know if they're a sexual assault victim, even if no one's ruled that they're a sexual assault victim.

00:05:46.300 Even those of us at Fox News who came forward against Roger Ailes understood that our identities, like yours truly, would eventually be made known to him so that he could defend himself and ultimately were leaked to the news anyway.

00:05:58.360 But Jane Doe gets to remain anonymous while making an allegation like this.

00:06:02.760 That's where we are.

00:06:03.420 Here are some of the things in the police report that Nicole claims she read.

00:06:10.180 Jane Doe was seen by an eyewitness flirting with Pete Hegseth at Knuckles Bar, which is attached to the Hyatt Regency at which they were both staying and in which he gave the speech, including touching his leg or arm prior to the alleged sexual assault.

00:06:25.760 They were at Knuckles Bar around midnight.

00:06:28.120 The alleged sexual assault happened between 2 a.m. and 4 a.m.

00:06:31.100 She was seen in the in the bar flirting with him, including touching him.

00:06:36.340 Two witnesses at the bar, women who we believe were at the conference with her.

00:06:40.500 She was one of the workers for this conference.

00:06:43.000 Two witnesses at the bar say Jane Doe did not appear out of control, intoxicated or drugged.

00:06:48.260 She did not look that way to anybody.

00:06:49.860 She appeared completely in charge of her faculties.

00:06:52.920 She tells the police she only had one glass of champagne that evening, one glass that she had been drinking more than normal earlier that day, she said.

00:07:01.660 But that night she only had one glass of champagne, according to her.

00:07:04.960 And everyone around her says she appeared in control of her faculties and not drugged, not intoxicated.

00:07:11.340 One woman said she might have been buzzed, but she wasn't drunk.

00:07:14.900 Cops say videotapes that they reviewed show her at 1.15 a.m. and a second one at 1.30 a.m. with Pete.

00:07:21.920 1.15 a.m., she and Pete are walking out of the Knuckles Bar, presumably back to his hotel room.

00:07:26.960 She claims as his handler she was just getting him from A to B.

00:07:29.440 And at 1.30 they were stopped because they had an argument poolside about, quote, his treatment of women.

00:07:35.640 Totally inappropriate boundary crossing by this woman already.

00:07:39.040 You're his handler.

00:07:39.860 You don't know each other.

00:07:41.160 You don't have any right to talk to him about how he treats women.

00:07:44.220 Stay in your lane.

00:07:45.040 You've behaved unprofessionally.

00:07:46.380 You've already crossed a line.

00:07:47.960 By the way, according to the eyewitnesses, Pete was drunk.

00:07:50.800 He'd been drinking beer, not hard alcohol, but was drunk by virtually everybody's assessment other than Pete's.

00:07:56.180 They are seen at 1.15 leaving Knuckles and walking their arm and arm, their arm and arm, and she is smiling.

00:08:05.180 She does not appear drunk on the videotape.

00:08:07.300 She appears in control of her faculties and is not stumbling.

00:08:10.480 Read the police report, Nicole.

00:08:12.600 At 1.30 a.m., they get stopped by a hotel front desk guy who was filling in for security

00:08:18.520 because two hotel occupants called and complained about a loud argument poolside.

00:08:24.380 The guy went there to get them under control.

00:08:26.720 Pete was yelling.

00:08:27.800 I don't know if she was yelling, but they were having some sort of an argument,

00:08:30.840 and she defended him by saying, oh, sorry, we're Republicans, and I'll get him to his room.

00:08:36.480 She put her hand behind his back and shepherded him away from the pool.

00:08:41.080 The front desk guy said she did not appear drunk.

00:08:45.820 She was not stumbling and did not appear intoxicated.

00:08:48.780 He, however, did, Pete.

00:08:49.800 Okay, so now we've got one, two, three eyewitnesses who were there who say she wasn't drunk.

00:08:55.860 Her whole story is that someone appears to have slipped her a Mickey,

00:09:01.280 and she was too drugged to remember exactly what happened during this allegedly traumatic rape.

00:09:07.440 When was she drugged?

00:09:09.620 We are now within 30 minutes of the alleged rape.

00:09:12.300 She is seen by three eyewitnesses and on two videotapes reviewed by police looking absolutely fine.

00:09:20.140 Within 30 minutes or so, she will be allegedly raped.

00:09:24.380 When did she get intoxicated?

00:09:26.400 When did someone slip her the drug?

00:09:29.040 The hotel front desk clerk, we mentioned him.

00:09:32.040 Then she goes to Pete's hotel room between 1.30 and 2 in the morning.

00:09:36.300 This was within moments after the videotape and the eyewitness hotel front desk clerk said she did not look drunk.

00:09:43.400 She goes into her room, into his room, and she is texting with her husband, it appears, from the room.

00:09:48.720 The husband is down the hall with his children, their children, in their own hotel room looking for his wife.

00:09:54.560 He texts her around 2 a.m. saying, I don't remember the last time you were out at 2 a.m.

00:09:57.960 Like, where are you?

00:09:59.540 And no response.

00:10:00.620 And then after 2 a.m., he goes down to Knuckles Bar looking for his wife.

00:10:05.920 No one's there.

00:10:07.180 Then at two additional times, I think it was 2.56 a.m. and 3.40 a.m., he calls his wife's phone.

00:10:14.380 No answer.

00:10:15.140 She's still in there with Pete.

00:10:17.240 According to the police report, she comes back home to her hotel room with her husband and her two children sleeping.

00:10:24.400 The kid's sleeping.

00:10:25.400 I don't know if the husband was.

00:10:26.300 He had just called her at 3.40.

00:10:27.460 And according to the husband, she does not appear drunk.

00:10:35.340 The husband says she's not stumbling, she's not slurring, and she's apologetic.

00:10:41.420 And what does she tell the husband?

00:10:44.480 That she, quote, must have fallen asleep.

00:10:49.560 Pete Heggs said they went back to the room.

00:10:52.040 It was consensual.

00:10:53.060 They had sex.

00:10:54.120 She felt guilty.

00:10:54.960 Her husband was down the hall, and she told him that she would tell the husband that she fell asleep.

00:11:03.600 The husband told the cops individually.

00:11:06.060 He's not talking to Pete.

00:11:07.560 She told me when she got home at 4 a.m., when she looked fine, she must have fallen asleep.

00:11:12.820 Pete, simultaneously talking to the cops, not talking to the husband, says she felt guilty, and she told me she was going to tell the husband that she fell asleep.

00:11:19.240 She was in that room for, at best, an hour and 50 minutes, an hour and 55 minutes, because she was home by 4 a.m.

00:11:27.020 At 1.30 a.m., she was seen looking totally fine and not intoxicated.

00:11:31.820 When did he give her a Mickey?

00:11:33.800 When did he slip her the alleged rohypnol that made her so drunk and drugged out that she couldn't remember anything about this alleged rape?

00:11:40.480 She shows up.

00:11:41.160 The husband says she looks fine, and she's sorry.

00:11:44.360 She doesn't wake up the next morning and run to the cops.

00:11:46.500 In fact, it's not another 30 hours or so before she then has sex with her husband, and it all comes rushing back to her, that she was allegedly raped by Pete Hegseth.

00:11:56.460 I'm sorry, but this is a crock of shit, CBS News, the vaunted.

00:12:02.140 This is bullshit.

00:12:04.160 That's my opinion.

00:12:05.340 I don't believe one word of this.

00:12:07.160 I did the podcast yesterday, which we released this morning, and the more I looked at it, the more I slept on it, the angrier I got.

00:12:12.320 And then I saw news coverage like this, CNN's lead.

00:12:14.740 A California woman told police that Trump cabinet pick Pete Hegseth physically blocked her from leaving a hotel room, took her phone, and then sexually assaulted her, even though she, quote, remembered saying no a lot.

00:12:34.680 NBC lead line.

00:12:35.900 A woman told police that Pete Hegseth, president-elect Donald Trump's choice for defense secretary, took her phone and blocked her from leaving his hotel room before sexually assaulting her in 2017 after a convention in California, according to official records of a police investigation released Wednesday.

00:12:50.680 I, like, this is, this is a lot.

00:13:00.740 You go through the reporting.

00:13:02.840 Um, let's see.

00:13:08.820 Looking at just the, the, okay.

00:13:11.680 Who reported that she was back at her hotel room by 4 a.m.

00:13:17.420 And her husband said she was not slurring or stumbling and that she was apologetic?

00:13:20.960 New York Times, no.

00:13:22.460 Washington Post, no.

00:13:24.100 CNN, no.

00:13:25.880 NBC, no.

00:13:27.020 No one thought that was relevant.

00:13:28.160 Did anybody sit down to do the fucking timeline?

00:13:30.600 All you get in these reports is that the whole night was fuzzy.

00:13:33.320 She was drunk for several hours or fuzzy, drugged for several hours.

00:13:36.680 You don't think it's relevant that if you look at the timeline as laid out by the cops, at most we have a two-hour window in which they are alone.

00:13:43.420 She's seen one half an hour before it looking totally fine, but thanks to two videos and three independent eyewitnesses.

00:13:49.460 And so when did she get drugged, folks?

00:13:51.480 She was in there for two hours and on the back end her husband said she didn't look drunk.

00:13:55.140 And you don't report any of that?

00:13:58.020 Nothing?

00:13:58.660 None of that is relevant to you?

00:14:02.240 Here's another thing.

00:14:03.060 The police asked her to participate in a pretext call where she calls Pete Hegseth back and says,

00:14:07.480 Hey, remember that time you raped me?

00:14:09.660 Why did you do that, Pete?

00:14:10.900 Why did you block the door and not let me out and do all the terrible things I told the cops you did?

00:14:14.480 And guess what she said?

00:14:15.560 No.

00:14:16.820 No, I refuse.

00:14:19.140 That, too, is suspicious.

00:14:20.600 You could explain it by saying a rape victim doesn't want to confront her rapists.

00:14:23.820 I get that.

00:14:24.540 That's one possible interpretation.

00:14:26.260 Another is she knew he'd say,

00:14:28.240 What the F are you doing, Jane Doe?

00:14:31.120 You know this was consensual.

00:14:32.320 And then start offering a bunch of details that made that seem very clear and obvious and true.

00:14:37.240 Like a truth teller sounds.

00:14:39.340 So she declined to do this.

00:14:42.280 Did anybody report that?

00:14:43.820 I didn't know about it until I read the police report.

00:14:46.260 Let's see.

00:14:46.900 New York Times.

00:14:47.420 Did you report it?

00:14:48.340 No.

00:14:48.920 Washington Post?

00:14:49.720 No.

00:14:50.400 CNN?

00:14:51.040 No.

00:14:51.700 NBC?

00:14:52.380 No.

00:14:53.920 This is unbelievable.

00:14:55.700 They don't want you to know.

00:14:56.780 Did anybody point out that she went to Pete's hotel room between 1.30 and 2?

00:15:02.800 Within moments after the videotape and all the eyewitnesses say she did not look drunk?

00:15:07.620 Did the news offer you that timeline so you could draw your own conclusion?

00:15:11.080 New York Times?

00:15:11.940 No.

00:15:12.580 Washington Post?

00:15:13.340 No.

00:15:13.600 CNN?

00:15:14.200 No.

00:15:14.800 NBC mentioned that at 1.30 and that she went back to her hotel room at 4 but didn't contextualize

00:15:21.060 how improbable the date rape drug accusation was given the timeline.

00:15:26.520 We can do this all day.

00:15:28.300 We can stay.

00:15:28.720 You get it.

00:15:29.140 I'm angry.

00:15:31.420 This is wrong.

00:15:33.800 Now he must be confirmed.

00:15:36.220 You heard me yesterday.

00:15:37.180 I don't like the cheating on all the wives stuff.

00:15:40.500 I'm, you may feel differently.

00:15:42.480 I don't think it should sink his nomination.

00:15:44.320 I don't like it.

00:15:45.800 But this is not okay, what's being done to him.

00:15:49.080 Joining me now, Victor Davis Hanson, a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and author

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00:16:38.880 BDH, welcome back.

00:16:40.420 This is an outrage.

00:16:41.560 Your thoughts?

00:16:43.060 Yeah, I read the report as well.

00:16:45.340 And there were some in there.

00:16:47.040 I mean, I don't think a person who is sexually assaulting a victim has a discussion whether

00:16:54.540 they can continue with the act of coitus if they don't have a condom.

00:17:00.220 So it was a mutual discussion about condom protection, and then they both mutually decide

00:17:06.140 it was okay to go ahead.

00:17:07.700 I don't think any rapist discusses that with the victim.

00:17:11.180 And the second thing that bothered me, this is kind of graphic, Megan, but he said that

00:17:17.100 at one point she was in the superior position.

00:17:21.240 So I mean, those two items themselves don't really fit the typical pattern of a male viciously

00:17:30.040 forcing a woman down, penetrating her, injuring her.

00:17:37.460 Rapists that do that don't say, by the way, what should we do about a condom?

00:17:42.280 What do you think?

00:17:44.060 I don't have one, do you?

00:17:45.420 And she says, no.

00:17:46.340 And she says, is it mine?

00:17:48.600 You go ahead?

00:17:49.140 And he said, no, it's okay.

00:17:50.080 We'll go ahead with it.

00:17:51.400 And then she assumes a position on top of him.

00:17:56.440 Well, let me just say this, though, Victor.

00:17:57.600 Let me say this.

00:17:58.160 That is all Pete's story.

00:18:00.660 So, and I understand that was from, so, but yeah, that was, but for me, I am trying to

00:18:05.760 just, just look at the independent verifiable facts, the verifiable facts.

00:18:10.620 I'm not taking her story and I'm not taking his story.

00:18:13.120 I'm taking the story of the police, the videotapes and the independent witnesses, and they do not

00:18:17.240 and her husband, and they do not support this woman's story.

00:18:20.480 I mean, if you take anything that Pete says is real, he's exonerated.

00:18:23.960 If you take a lot of what she says, he's still exonerated.

00:18:28.980 She's, at best, she's like, it's fuzzy.

00:18:30.960 And I remember he was, he was on top of me and he blocked the door when I tried to leave one time.

00:18:35.780 But all these independent facts, Victor, in order to Pete's benefit, not hers, and the media

00:18:40.860 either doesn't report on them or confronts lawmakers who are about to vote yes on Pete

00:18:45.940 in the hallway as though they're about to approve Ted Bundy.

00:18:50.540 Yeah, but didn't she, I know that, but didn't she wait almost 72 hours before reporting it?

00:18:57.600 Yes.

00:18:57.860 Three days?

00:18:58.220 She didn't go to the nurse for her sexual assault and rape exam until Thursday.

00:19:03.260 The alleged rape happened overnight Saturday to Sunday.

00:19:05.700 And I don't think she contacted law enforcement until Monday, did she?

00:19:10.760 Not, nothing happened until Thursday.

00:19:13.640 She went to the sexual assault nurse, who then was a mandatory reporter.

00:19:18.380 She brought in the cops and then they spoke to her.

00:19:21.420 So the earliest any official was told was the Thursday after the early mornings of Sunday,

00:19:27.600 you know, Saturday into Sunday.

00:19:28.560 So if you look at the police report, the alleged victim then goes back to her hotel room early

00:19:37.240 in the morning and engages in sexual intercourse.

00:19:39.820 And I think the name is blocked out, but I think, I assume it was her husband.

00:19:43.520 She had sex with her husband on Monday morning when they went back to their marital home together.

00:19:49.140 Yes.

00:19:50.360 And then, and then I, did she contact law enforcement at that point?

00:19:56.620 No.

00:19:56.860 No.

00:19:56.880 No.

00:19:58.100 No.

00:19:58.700 And in fact, it wasn't until Wednesday that she told the husband she had supposedly been

00:20:02.800 raped when she was in the hotel.

00:20:05.440 And then within a day, she went for a sexual assault and rape exam.

00:20:09.460 And that nurse called the cops.

00:20:11.680 And am I mistaken that she said that during the sexual act with her husband or whoever,

00:20:17.240 but I think the name was blocked out.

00:20:18.960 I assumed again, it was her husband.

00:20:20.500 Then that brought memories back for the first time that she thought she re-remembered it.

00:20:25.760 And then she re-transformed the, in the impression, she had transformed the act into one of violence

00:20:32.100 that she hadn't really appreciated for three or four days.

00:20:35.460 I don't think that's-

00:20:36.040 But all the details were sketchy because her memory was so foggy.

00:20:39.100 Yeah.

00:20:40.320 I just don't think the average person, I think they're, and then law enforcement didn't choose

00:20:45.060 to turn it over to the district attorney.

00:20:46.740 And that was why.

00:20:47.940 Because if you have those facts-

00:20:49.940 Let me just say one other fact.

00:20:51.020 She also tells the police that right at the beginning of the night, when she is first at

00:20:58.940 the bar, Knuckles, which they were at at midnight, that this is where things got fuzzy.

00:21:05.080 That's according to her.

00:21:06.160 She started to get fuzzy as of midnight at the bar.

00:21:10.040 But two eyewitnesses at the bar say she was fine.

00:21:12.580 The front desk clerk who confronted her an hour and a half later says she was fine.

00:21:17.180 And the two videotapes show her smiling, holding Pete's arm, and absolutely fine.

00:21:22.220 After, she says, she started getting fuzzy, putting the lie to the claim.

00:21:29.460 Yeah, but there's no evidence.

00:21:31.260 I mean, when she says she thinks it's possible, sort of, kind of, maybe, that somebody put something

00:21:36.680 on their drink, who is she suggesting that did that?

00:21:39.700 I mean, if Pete is already drunk, I'm not sure he would be able to do that.

00:21:45.360 And she has no evidence that she saw who was close to her.

00:21:49.540 Is she saying the bartender did?

00:21:51.020 Why would the bartender do it?

00:21:52.680 Or why would there was no-

00:21:53.880 Here's the other thing.

00:21:54.720 Here's the other thing.

00:21:55.600 Pete, according to this other woman and Pete, Pete was, you know, he had an eye out for a

00:22:03.180 woman that night.

00:22:04.080 And it was another woman.

00:22:05.420 It was a different woman who Pete was putting his hand on this woman's knee.

00:22:09.700 While Jane Doe was putting her hand on Pete and trying to flirt with Pete.

00:22:14.260 Pete later told cops he didn't even notice this woman, Jane Doe.

00:22:17.660 She wasn't even a thought in his mind.

00:22:19.520 He had his eye on another woman who wasn't into him.

00:22:23.300 And since Jane Doe was his handler, this other woman called Jane Doe and asked her to be,

00:22:29.740 pardon the term, a crotch blocker.

00:22:31.500 That's in the police report.

00:22:33.380 Because she didn't want to be with Pete.

00:22:34.780 So this woman, according to Pete, then goes back to his hotel room with him, stays, this

00:22:39.180 is Pete's testimonial, stays in the room in oddly weird time, like, okay, it's kind of

00:22:43.260 over.

00:22:43.500 Goodbye.

00:22:43.980 And she's lingering.

00:22:45.480 And the next thing you know, one thing leads to another.

00:22:47.340 But it sounds like a woman who didn't get any attention from him, who had been pointing

00:22:52.020 out via text to her husband earlier in the night that all the women were going crazy for

00:22:55.480 Pete, and who lingered, who wasn't noticed by the hot guy from Fox, and suddenly found

00:23:01.700 herself alone in his hotel room, lingered.

00:23:04.540 And before you know it, now she's allegedly fuzzy.

00:23:07.040 And the next morning, oh, or two days later, okay, it's coming back to me that I was raped

00:23:11.880 by him.

00:23:13.720 And then she took, as I understand it, correct me if I'm wrong, then she discussed with Pete

00:23:20.200 or took a payment from Pete to not disclose the incident because he thought it might harm.

00:23:25.400 Three years later.

00:23:25.960 Three years later.

00:23:27.340 And then she, they talk about, I can't remember.

00:23:30.860 I feel like it's possible he heard she was getting ready to go public.

00:23:36.280 I can't remember what the catalyst was.

00:23:37.760 I'll look it up.

00:23:38.900 But in any event, his lawyer and she or her lawyer started to negotiate something to make

00:23:45.400 her be quiet about this because he realized, he says, his lawyer says, he would be fired in

00:23:50.180 an instant at Fox News if he were accused of rape.

00:23:53.000 So he paid her something to make her go away.

00:23:55.680 And then how did it air?

00:23:57.200 Did she, somebody directed people to the police report?

00:24:00.600 Was that her?

00:24:01.280 Has she commented?

00:24:02.100 Did she violate her non-disclosure agreement?

00:24:04.420 Yes.

00:24:05.080 Yes.

00:24:05.540 She had a friend write a report and go to Mar-a-Lago or send the report to Mar-a-Lago to

00:24:11.160 the Trump transition team and simultaneously apparently release it to the media.

00:24:15.220 Well, I mean, as I understand at the time, I read the police report, but it seemed to

00:24:22.980 me that he was in a process of separating from one, from his wife.

00:24:27.500 So he was nominally single and she's in the same area with her husband and her two kids.

00:24:34.860 And any sane woman knows that if you're married and your husband's in the hotel room, you don't

00:24:42.580 walk with a celebrity who's intoxicated to his room.

00:24:48.000 And then if something happens, you don't, you immediately, if it's a violent assault, you

00:24:53.740 immediately tell somebody, your husband, obviously you would go back to your husband and say, my

00:24:58.300 God, I've been raped or I, or my friend, you'd call it, but you don't keep mom for almost

00:25:05.660 three or four days.

00:25:06.840 And then when this process works out, then you don't take money from somebody with the

00:25:12.980 threats that you're going to disclose something that he said, she said that would be embarrassing

00:25:18.360 to them.

00:25:19.100 And then you sit on that for years until he becomes, and you get the impression that she

00:25:24.780 would have never come forward because it would have had very little currency unless he's

00:25:28.820 in the limelight now as a nominee for the defense post.

00:25:32.200 So then she wants to come back again.

00:25:34.880 It's very similar to the Kavanaugh debacle, very similar.

00:25:40.520 And I don't think it's going to work though.

00:25:42.160 I really do.

00:25:42.640 There's so many, we're so we're beyond me too.

00:25:45.560 Now, I think the people are more rational and I think the, I just don't think the facts

00:25:53.380 will warrant, once they start to discuss it, it won't warrant a charge that he forcibly

00:25:59.060 put himself on some woman.

00:26:01.920 It just doesn't make sense.

00:26:03.600 This is an outrageous dereliction of journalistic duty by these news outlets to report it the

00:26:09.020 way that they are.

00:26:10.500 This thing smells to high heaven.

00:26:12.040 The difference between Christine Blasey Ford and this woman, in my opinion, is I think

00:26:16.840 Christine Blasey Ford just made it up to get Kavanaugh because she was a political operative.

00:26:20.500 Maybe she had a negative experience with him all those years ago that didn't involve

00:26:24.860 rape, but that maybe he rejected her.

00:26:26.460 I don't know why she had it in for Kavanaugh, but I know she didn't like his politics.

00:26:30.520 But this woman appears to have just cheated on her husband and then really regretted it

00:26:36.080 and gone into a panic.

00:26:37.620 Under Pete's version of the story, she came back willingly.

00:26:40.560 She threw herself at him.

00:26:42.100 They had consensual sex.

00:26:44.240 And then she said, oh my God, what am I going to tell my husband?

00:26:47.440 And he said, I promise I won't tell.

00:26:49.860 And she said, I'm going to tell him I fell asleep.

00:26:52.100 And at that point, she must have been looking at her phone.

00:26:54.320 We've seen the phone receipts that he had called her.

00:26:57.800 First, he said at two.

00:26:59.020 Geez, I don't remember the last time we were out till two in the morning.

00:27:01.640 Then he called her at, again, I'm trying to remember the exact times, but I think it

00:27:05.720 was 240 and three or 256 and 340.

00:27:11.100 And then, and he also said, I'm going down to Knuckles Bar to look for it.

00:27:15.660 Like he also went down to Knuckles Bar to look for her.

00:27:17.500 So she must have been in an oh shit moment when she saw all of that on her phone.

00:27:23.580 So she goes back home.

00:27:25.520 She gets in and she's apologetic.

00:27:27.780 The husband is awake because he had just tried to call her at 340.

00:27:31.020 And she says she fell asleep.

00:27:34.520 That's it.

00:27:34.920 It doesn't turn into a rape in her head, she says, until Monday morning when she has

00:27:41.640 sex with the husband.

00:27:42.260 And she doesn't give the husband that story until Wednesday.

00:27:46.200 And then I guarantee you, I guarantee you, these two are having some very heated arguments

00:27:50.680 over the course of those three and a half days.

00:27:53.580 Where were you?

00:27:55.140 Who's, whose room were you asleep in?

00:27:58.580 Put that person on the phone.

00:28:00.780 Who can I talk to?

00:28:02.340 What, you know, there's just no way a husband doesn't know.

00:28:04.920 I just feel like this husband, he knew something was up and there's no way that by Wednesday,

00:28:11.940 he must've had her and she resorted to, I was raped.

00:28:16.000 That's all my opinion.

00:28:17.780 But at a minimum, the independent facts should be reported by the news and they should stop

00:28:22.360 smearing him as though this is an actual rape to which he's admitted, which is what

00:28:26.940 you would think if you read the reports.

00:28:29.060 Okay.

00:28:29.500 In related news.

00:28:31.160 Yeah, go ahead.

00:28:31.460 I would just, I would just say in the practical matter, you're in a very left-wing state and

00:28:37.960 I know Monterey, it's a very left-wing community and you have likely left-wing district attorneys

00:28:44.020 and you have a Fox celebrity who, and Fox people are not that popular in California compared

00:28:50.320 to say other states.

00:28:51.780 And then this liberal environment and it's law enforcement apparatus look at this and

00:28:59.220 they examine it very carefully and they file no charges at all.

00:29:03.020 They see there's no sexual assault at all.

00:29:06.220 And they, they, that's the end of it.

00:29:08.800 And then she resurfaces.

00:29:10.620 So it's going to be very hard for her, I think, to be used by the left to sabotage his

00:29:17.720 nomination.

00:29:18.900 And of course, we're not talking about what is really, and that's, I guess, the point of

00:29:23.640 what she's doing and who's influencing her.

00:29:26.300 But the, the real point is that Pete Hexeth is talking about some things that are beyond

00:29:32.880 comprehension that we've never discussed before.

00:29:35.520 He wants to go into the D, the DOD and stop the entire DEI apparatus.

00:29:42.300 He wants to go in there and stop the revolving door generals who go into a defense contractor

00:29:48.540 after retirement, come back to, come back to the DOD with high paying jobs that influences

00:29:55.740 their strategy and bad strategy of procurement.

00:29:59.080 He wants to go in there and no one else has even thought of that, going in and looking,

00:30:04.280 having an autopsy of the worst military catastrophe in a hundred years in Afghanistan.

00:30:09.620 Who did it?

00:30:10.500 Who planned it?

00:30:11.820 Who was culpable?

00:30:12.820 Who was not?

00:30:13.840 Who's 13 people died?

00:30:16.100 Could this been prevented?

00:30:17.080 We've never really had an in-depth discussion.

00:30:19.160 So there's all these very important issues and I don't think the left wants any of them

00:30:24.100 to be discussed.

00:30:25.660 And so I think there's, this is sort of a sideshow that's designed to get somebody else

00:30:31.120 in there, a nominee of the usual type that would not do any of the things that Pete, if

00:30:37.300 you read his book, War, the War on Warriors would probably do.

00:30:40.080 The other thing is, if Pete Hegseth is running around giving women the date rape drug, you

00:30:49.160 don't think we'd have another woman coming forward to say, this is, that's not a one-time

00:30:55.460 adventure.

00:30:56.360 But the bottom line is the date rape drug does not kick in in 30 seconds and wear off in 30

00:31:04.800 minutes.

00:31:05.880 This woman was fine by all accounts when she went into that room at two and was fine

00:31:11.520 by her husband's account when she came out at four.

00:31:14.600 That's not how the date rape drug works.

00:31:17.660 And she's not even alleging that she was given a drink inside of his hotel room.

00:31:22.680 It was the drink she had back at Knuckles Bar at midnight.

00:31:26.020 So one at 1 15 a.m.

00:31:29.120 She's fine at 1 30 a.m.

00:31:30.480 She's fine.

00:31:31.320 When was the date rape drug allegedly given?

00:31:34.140 It's just such, this is obvious nonsense.

00:31:36.420 That's why they didn't charge Pete Hegseth.

00:31:38.800 The cops knew.

00:31:40.420 And especially when she said, I won't participate in the setup phone call of the guy.

00:31:44.660 They knew.

00:31:46.100 My team has sent me the following just to answer this, that question.

00:31:50.000 Sometime after the incident, the woman and her husband hired a lawyer to quote, ensure Hegseth

00:31:55.620 did not get off without punishment.

00:31:57.900 According to the memo sent to the Trump transition team, Hegseth's lawyer proposed they sign a

00:32:02.780 non-disclosure agreement, the details of which have not been made public.

00:32:06.360 The memo said the agreement was signed about two and a half years after the alleged assault.

00:32:10.560 This is what any man would do.

00:32:12.060 I mean, any public figure, Pete's I'm sure got some dough in the bank now from all the

00:32:15.140 years at Fox.

00:32:16.340 Any man would say, would you please just pay her and make her go away?

00:32:19.300 Like, I don't, I definitely don't want her coming out and making those allegations.

00:32:22.260 By the way, it's best not to go to bed with a complete stranger whose character you have

00:32:27.340 no clue about, men and women out there.

00:32:31.080 And then you don't have to worry about people doing this to you.

00:32:34.440 I will say one thing.

00:32:35.720 The latest reporting is that, this was in the Wall Street Journal, that Team Trump is

00:32:41.360 not pleased that Pete did not disclose this when they were doing the vetting and is doubly

00:32:47.000 displeased that he didn't reveal there was a police report detailed, which Pete knew

00:32:52.540 about from at least 2021, they said.

00:32:56.860 So none of like, even though Pete should not be condemned in this way by the media, and

00:33:02.040 I don't believe he committed this act, it doesn't mean he's going to sail through and

00:33:05.820 it doesn't mean Team Trump is going to stand by him to the bitter end.

00:33:09.800 I don't know what's going to happen there.

00:33:11.360 I just want people to be honest about what the facts show here.

00:33:14.440 Yeah, and they're going to go after a certain typology of nominee, and we know who those

00:33:21.040 people are.

00:33:21.980 It's RFK, Pete Hegseth, Tulsi Gabbard, and all the non-conventional people that we don't

00:33:30.000 really, their resumes don't match what the usual occupants of those positions have.

00:33:36.460 And that's the point.

00:33:37.800 And that's what Donald Trump is trying to tell people.

00:33:40.280 He wants people who are non-traditional.

00:33:42.800 They don't have the usual letters after their name or the titles before their name, or they

00:33:47.420 don't revolve to universities or corporations in the Washington, New York nexus between jobs

00:33:53.160 and the government.

00:33:54.280 But they have to be very careful how they vet those people, because they're going to get

00:33:58.500 the most intense scrutiny.

00:34:01.260 And I think we're going to hear the same type of stories that are going to start to circulate.

00:34:06.280 I don't mean sexual necessarily, but I think when RFK or Tulsi Gabbard go up, they're going

00:34:11.620 to have the same hit machines that will go after them.

00:34:15.700 John Bolton has already gone after her, said she was a veritable Russian asset.

00:34:20.760 And we've had RFK.

00:34:22.500 I mean, I never had heard until he was a candidate, the story of hitting a bear or some type of

00:34:29.460 parasit in his brain or one of his former wives hanged herself.

00:34:35.140 All of that's going to come out.

00:34:36.600 And it's going to come out, especially for those candidates, because that's the ones that

00:34:40.380 left, I think, feels that they have the most traction against and they're most afraid of.

00:34:45.420 If he nominates Cash Patel for the FBI, and I know him very well, and he's a very bright

00:34:52.400 guy.

00:34:52.780 He was really, when he worked for Devin Nunes, he was the point man that broke the whole

00:34:57.160 story that Christopher Steele was not just a former spy who had been giving money by Hillary

00:35:04.880 Clinton to compile.

00:35:06.380 He was actually getting money from the FBI while they were denying it.

00:35:10.740 So that was a really, and they don't like him.

00:35:12.920 And he's very tough and he's outspoken and he's probably said things in the past that

00:35:17.380 is going to come out.

00:35:18.720 But those are the types of things that we're going to be, we should be in store for because

00:35:22.860 it's going to happen.

00:35:24.600 We're going to have to steal ourselves for the onslaught because they'll bring up any

00:35:30.080 untoward personal behavior to try to kill these nominees.

00:35:33.940 And we're going to have to just increase our tolerance for some of those stories because

00:35:37.780 it's like that the Trump, he's not going to pick the person with the perfect resume and

00:35:43.860 the perfect behavior and the, and who is beloved by the establishment.

00:35:47.920 That would, that's just not who Trump's going to pick.

00:35:50.760 He wants to get some street fighters and necessarily they're going to have some dirt under their

00:35:56.420 fingernails.

00:35:57.160 That is not to suggest if Pete actually raped somebody, we should put him as the DOD chief.

00:36:01.900 It's just to say that some of these nominees are going to have, you know, less than perfect

00:36:07.700 personal histories.

00:36:09.160 And we're going to have to keep this factor that in, but I want to, I want to tell you

00:36:12.740 about this.

00:36:13.460 Oh yeah.

00:36:14.600 Go ahead, Victor.

00:36:16.280 Well, it's not that they're the nominees that we have.

00:36:19.540 These people are antithetical to them, but it's not that the nominees that are in office

00:36:23.840 and were confirmed don't have baggage.

00:36:27.220 It's just a different kind of baggage.

00:36:28.580 And so when they look at Pete Hexeth is there'll be a Republican person that said, have you

00:36:35.420 ever been in a situation where you just walked off the job for a week and nobody knew where

00:36:40.280 you were like Lloyd Austin, when you were in charge of the entire military, have you

00:36:46.100 ever had a, uh, have you ever been in charge of an operation where you just left town and

00:36:51.020 left all of your equipment to, in the hands of terrorists, $50 billion.

00:36:55.320 Have you ever had that happen to you?

00:36:56.840 Have you ever set up programs where the merit of placing the shells on the target was not

00:37:02.520 important as the proper gender and race, uh, in your unit?

00:37:06.400 Have you ever done that?

00:37:07.440 And I think the same thing with Pam Bondi with the DOJ, they're going to say, um, have you

00:37:13.440 ever got a, uh, a federal subpoena from Congress the way that, uh, Eric Holder did on fast and

00:37:20.340 furious and just, you know, tear it up without consequences.

00:37:24.400 Have you ever cooked up an idea like fast and furious to sell guns to people in the cartels

00:37:31.900 as if you could trace it?

00:37:33.460 Have you ever on one single day, have you ever coordinated as Merrick Garland has done?

00:37:38.680 You hired Jack Smith on one day, the third person in your DOJ went to work for Alvin Bragg

00:37:45.320 the same day.

00:37:46.040 And the same day, the white house council was meeting with Nathan Wade in the white house,

00:37:50.880 uh, all coordinating lawfare.

00:37:52.840 Have you ever done that?

00:37:53.500 Have you ever sent the SWAT teams out to people's homes?

00:37:56.740 Like, oh, I don't know, Roger Stone or the president of the United States.

00:38:00.280 So they went through Melania's underwear.

00:38:02.780 You ever had an law enforcement group go into somebody at two in the morning, like James O'Keefe

00:38:07.960 in his underwear, looking for the, acting as a retrieval service for the Biden, the Bidens

00:38:14.280 lose guns, they lose laptops, they lose diaries, and the FBI then goes out and rubs people up

00:38:19.980 to find them.

00:38:20.580 So there's all sorts of stuff that they do, but it's a different type of activity.

00:38:25.660 It's much more dangerous to the Republic.

00:38:28.260 And same thing with Kash Patel.

00:38:30.000 I think they're going to say, have you ever lied under oath as an FBI person?

00:38:34.080 Well, Andrew McCabe lied under oath four times to a federal investigator.

00:38:37.920 James Comey pled 245 times, he could not remember all the details of the Steele dossier.

00:38:45.880 Robert Mueller said, I don't remember what the Steele dossier is.

00:38:49.940 I have no idea what Fusion GPS.

00:38:52.240 Those were the two catalysts that prompted his appointment as special prosecutor.

00:38:56.400 So they have a very different creed.

00:38:58.960 If you're from a certain milieu or zip code or university or prior resume, then you can

00:39:06.860 almost, you're getting exempt from doing things, lying under oath like James Clapper did or

00:39:12.400 John Brennan repeatedly.

00:39:14.300 And there's no, there's no consequences.

00:39:16.540 And then they come around and say, we're not going to have this person in office because

00:39:20.620 he doesn't have the right experience.

00:39:23.160 But that's what Trump is trying to tell the nation.

00:39:25.540 These people are too incestuous and they have a certain type of resume and a certain type of

00:39:30.800 outlook that gives them an arrogance and a ubiquitous and they abuse their authority.

00:39:35.040 And we're not going to do it anymore.

00:39:35.920 And that's, I think that's why we're going to see some fireworks.

00:39:40.020 That is so beautifully said.

00:39:43.180 Steve Krakauer, we need to clip that response and put it everywhere because that's exactly

00:39:50.140 right.

00:39:50.940 Why are we, I asked the audience yesterday because look, Pete's behavior with respect to

00:39:55.660 his many wives is not ideal, Victor, but I don't really care.

00:40:00.580 It's, I, I'm not marrying Pete Hexeth.

00:40:02.540 I already have a delightful husband who I really adore.

00:40:04.960 However, it's not my problem.

00:40:06.520 It's with between him and the women who marry him.

00:40:09.900 What is my problem is a woke military that doesn't get enough recruits, you know, that

00:40:14.380 is in which the men feel totally dejected because they're being lectured on white rage and white

00:40:19.340 fragility.

00:40:19.920 And by these commanders that they're somehow wrong, notwithstanding the fact that all these

00:40:25.780 guys are the ones who are getting killed at an exponential rate, as you've been pointing

00:40:28.680 out.

00:40:29.420 That is my problem.

00:40:30.600 That is something I need to worry about.

00:40:31.980 So if Pete Hexeth is going to go in there and shake that up and stop the wokeness and actually

00:40:38.320 listen to, you know, the, the working class branch of the military, as opposed to the brass

00:40:43.440 who runs things and just wants another star.

00:40:46.040 Great.

00:40:47.040 Good.

00:40:47.480 I'd love to see that.

00:40:49.420 It just thought the past 24 hours have been so eyeopening as you just started.

00:40:53.860 Yeah.

00:40:54.300 I mean, I, I don't like this any more than you do, but in World War II, George Patton,

00:41:01.460 while he was leading the third army to victory and broke apart, the German resistance in Europe

00:41:06.820 was having an affair with his own step-niece in theater.

00:41:10.540 Oh boy.

00:41:11.680 Step-niece, not his knees, but his step-niece.

00:41:14.020 At the same time, Dwight Eisenhower was infatuated with this British chauffeur, young woman, Kay

00:41:20.660 Summerspeak.

00:41:21.940 And people were very shocked and they kept warning, I, this does not look good.

00:41:26.540 She later claimed they had an affair.

00:41:28.640 I don't know what's true, but if you had taken Eisenhower out of the theater and Patton

00:41:34.360 out of the theater, we would have lost the European war at that point.

00:41:38.560 And that's regrettable.

00:41:39.980 They did that, but in the, in the great scale of things, George Patton was an authentic military

00:41:46.720 genius, the likes of which we've never seen before.

00:41:49.260 And Eisenhower had a genius for organization and grand strategy and people like that were

00:41:54.840 essential to the war effort.

00:41:56.260 And somebody like George Marshall, who was a straight arrow, puritanical, brilliant, honest

00:42:02.140 guy, knew that.

00:42:04.360 And that's why he kept, he remonstrated with both, but he kept them both in command and

00:42:09.480 we won the war.

00:42:11.000 And, um, just, just the way it is.

00:42:14.660 You know what else?

00:42:15.600 We talked about this yesterday in passing, but, um, JFK was having an affair, as you know,

00:42:22.220 with everybody, but with a 16 year old white house intern named Mimi Alford.

00:42:27.700 I mean, actual sex with this woman who was a virgin, remember she was a, she was a virgin

00:42:33.500 when she met him.

00:42:34.940 Right.

00:42:35.620 She was working for him in the white house, not to mention what the presidential bed in

00:42:40.560 the presidential Democrats.

00:42:41.900 They revere these two JFK and Bill Clinton, but we're supposed to get upset about what

00:42:47.260 Pete may or may not have done with respect to his wives and his marriages.

00:42:50.760 Well, we're not, we're not.

00:42:52.260 I had a close friend who was really, uh, arguing me about Trump and Stormy Daniels, but it happened

00:42:59.100 way before he was in office.

00:43:00.220 So just as a joke, I said, what bothers me about Trump is his daughter was arranging

00:43:05.980 an affair within, while he was president.

00:43:08.280 And the guy said, yes, yes, good Victor.

00:43:10.020 And then I said, then he, uh, he pulled out down his pants and showed the cabinet, his

00:43:15.740 sexual, Oh my God, Victor.

00:43:18.040 I didn't know that.

00:43:19.120 I'm so glad.

00:43:19.780 And then I said, he had an affair with a young intern with right off the white house

00:43:24.640 and he bedded a virgin.

00:43:27.220 And then the guy said, well, that case, I'm glad you, I said, I just described JFK, Bill

00:43:32.900 Clinton, FDR, and Lyndon Johnson.

00:43:36.820 And no one in those days, no one in those days disclosed any of that.

00:43:41.420 They felt they all, the reporters all knew that FDR was having an affair with Lucy Mercer.

00:43:46.780 They all knew that LBJ was doing things that were, we would call perverted.

00:43:51.560 We all knew that JFK was completely uninhibited and out of control.

00:43:56.700 When it came to young women, everybody knew the same was true of Bill Clinton.

00:44:00.660 And these were occurring while they were in the office, not Stormy Daniels years ago.

00:44:05.420 Nobody has made an allegation that Donald Trump did anything untoward with women while he

00:44:10.380 was in the office, in office.

00:44:12.560 And yet they, nobody, nobody says anything about that.

00:44:16.360 They say FDR was a great president.

00:44:18.040 He was.

00:44:19.040 JFK was a model Democrat.

00:44:21.540 Well, I wish we had him now.

00:44:22.820 Which one dropped trow in front of the cabinet?

00:44:28.780 That's LBJ.

00:44:30.200 I could go on a little bit more graphic.

00:44:33.300 He grabbed his organ and he said, does Ho Chi Minh have anything like this?

00:44:37.940 According to Robert Carroll's biography.

00:44:41.060 But it's also proven that he would open the door while he was on the toilet and force aides

00:44:47.660 that he didn't like to take memos and they had to watch him defecate.

00:44:51.880 So it's.

00:44:52.360 Oh my.

00:44:53.520 I mean, he was, he was pretty crude person.

00:44:56.620 And yet.

00:44:57.420 Yeah.

00:44:57.760 He's an icon still among the left.

00:45:00.220 And so I guess what I'm trying to say is not to excuse that type of behavior, but there

00:45:07.320 was a time in America, in a much more puritanical time than ours, when people said, it's too

00:45:15.100 bad.

00:45:15.420 They don't have character in these particular areas, but we haven't made the argument that

00:45:19.880 because your personal life isn't a suspect, then you're not, you're not, uh, it'd be night.

00:45:27.400 You're not going to.

00:45:28.040 The other thing is where, where was CBS's Nicole?

00:45:31.720 What's her name?

00:45:32.640 Uh, whatever on the Doug Emhoff allegations.

00:45:36.100 I don't remember her running through the halls of the white house to try to get comment from

00:45:40.960 Kamala Harris on her being married to an alleged woman abuser.

00:45:45.060 I like, there was no interest whatsoever in actually tracking down this woman.

00:45:51.200 There was a lot more evidence for Tara Reed.

00:45:53.940 She actually mentioned her sexual assault by Joe Biden to her mother who brought it up on

00:45:58.840 a Larry King show contemporaneously than there ever was.

00:46:02.140 I interviewed her.

00:46:03.280 Yes.

00:46:03.840 With Susan Blossie.

00:46:04.920 Victor, I didn't have a show.

00:46:07.000 I, I had no, I had no tether whatsoever to any news organization.

00:46:10.360 I didn't launch this show.

00:46:11.580 I came out of COVID.

00:46:12.840 I flew out to California to sit down with Tara Reed because no one was talking to her.

00:46:18.280 So I was like, you know what?

00:46:20.500 I'll just put it on my fledgling YouTube channel.

00:46:23.340 I'm giving this woman a forum.

00:46:25.140 And it wasn't because it was a democratic user.

00:46:28.060 I interviewed Trump accusers too.

00:46:30.040 It's not that hard.

00:46:31.620 You can let them have their say and then let the analysts poke holes or not in the stories.

00:46:37.500 But ignoring the stories is what the left does when the accused is one of their beloved

00:46:43.020 Democrats.

00:46:45.020 Absolutely.

00:46:46.420 And we all know that Joe, Joe Biden serially violated the private space of women.

00:46:51.540 He blew in their ears.

00:46:53.040 He held them too long.

00:46:54.460 He remarked in a way that was kind of creepy to younger, preteen girls in the audience.

00:46:59.060 He did such that when he ran, as you remember, in 2019, 20, he had to apologize for his behavior.

00:47:06.300 And he said they called him on it.

00:47:08.060 Finally, a lot of women came forward and said, you you squeeze me.

00:47:11.780 You tried to kiss me.

00:47:12.840 You tried to blow in my ear.

00:47:14.140 And he said, I came from a different generation.

00:47:17.260 That's basically what he said.

00:47:18.720 And when it was considered, OK, it's not OK.

00:47:21.140 I apologize.

00:47:21.840 But it's just a different standard.

00:47:26.340 Yeah, absolutely right.

00:47:27.680 Now, here's here's what I was trying to get to.

00:47:30.840 All of this, at least the media piece of it, is having an effect because I put it all under

00:47:36.020 the head of the heading of how dishonest they are.

00:47:41.800 Untrustworthy.

00:47:43.120 And how their time in the sun is done.

00:47:47.560 Morning Joe knows it.

00:47:48.620 They are hemorrhaging viewers at an alarming rate.

00:47:52.900 And now we actually can put some meat on those bones.

00:47:56.440 We still have some sources in the TV industry and people who know the ratings that the rest

00:48:02.400 of us don't necessarily see in great detail.

00:48:04.500 And sources are telling us that Morning Joe over on MS, Chris Hayes and Joy Reid are all

00:48:11.360 seeing record demo lows.

00:48:14.080 The demos, 25 to 54 year olds, which determines advertising rates.

00:48:17.200 Record demo lows this week for the history of their respective shows.

00:48:23.040 Let me let me give you some more.

00:48:25.060 Morning Joe on Monday got 770 in the overall and 86,000 in the key demo.

00:48:33.700 They had been averaging over 800,000, let's say, back in June, like 866,000 in June with

00:48:42.060 114,000 in the demo.

00:48:44.000 So they fell by a lot.

00:48:45.540 Then comes Tuesday.

00:48:49.020 Tuesday's broadcast of Morning Joe was the show's third lowest broadcast of 2024 with total viewership

00:48:58.680 down 38% from their average and the key demo down 37% from the show's average.

00:49:04.820 So they fell almost 40% overall from Monday to Tuesday.

00:49:09.800 Monday's the day they made their announcement.

00:49:12.420 And on Monday, instead of building during the show as they normally do, they lost.

00:49:18.040 They went from 839 total thousand and 113,000 in the demo to 694,000 in the second hour and

00:49:27.460 sunk 38% in the demo.

00:49:29.200 We're told that Monday's show, I believe, was it Monday's show?

00:49:34.100 No, Wednesday's show was the lowest in Morning Joe's history.

00:49:39.440 The lowest in their history.

00:49:41.340 The Wednesday demo, that's the 25 to 54, they got 51,000.

00:49:46.780 1,001 fewer, and it would have been a slashy, which is the ultimate embarrassment.

00:49:54.220 They don't even write 49,000, they write slashy, which is you've fallen off the board.

00:49:59.980 Victor, can you stay just a couple more minutes on the opposite side of this break?

00:50:03.640 Yeah.

00:50:03.800 Okay, thank you.

00:50:04.780 We'll be, I gotta take a quick break.

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00:51:27.020 Just to correct, not the lowest in Morning Joe's history.

00:51:34.880 In fact, they've gone lower.

00:51:36.700 But this is one of the lowest, almost getting slashies in the key demo on Wednesday.

00:51:41.600 There is a reason its audience is abandoning MSNBC, Victor.

00:51:45.780 Yeah, there is.

00:51:47.300 They're in kind of a doom loop, Megan, because their diehard audience that got smaller and

00:51:52.700 smaller and smaller, so they got down to 700,000 viewers, is very intolerant of any deviation

00:51:59.040 from the party line.

00:52:00.120 But to expand their audience, they've got to cool off the personal attacks on left-wing

00:52:05.320 people.

00:52:05.880 I mean, right-wing people, all of the hysteria.

00:52:08.460 Same thing with Joey Reed, stop the overtly racist stuff.

00:52:12.400 But when they do that, they start to lose their small audience.

00:52:16.200 And the small audience gets smaller.

00:52:18.600 So I guess the only way out of it is to take a risk and go mainstream and try to appeal to

00:52:24.240 people of all political points of view.

00:52:26.220 And in that process, they're going to lose their base, hard left audience, and they may

00:52:33.140 not expand into the right-wing who feel they're insincere.

00:52:36.600 So I don't know how they get out of it, is what I'm trying to say.

00:52:39.440 No, I don't think they can, which is actually really fun to watch.

00:52:43.600 It's not just those morning and primetime shows that are suffering.

00:52:48.060 MSNBC has lost its mind.

00:52:49.600 I mean, just up and down the line, they've lost their minds.

00:52:51.620 You need look no further than the headline this morning on msnbc.com, where they responded

00:52:58.580 to Laken Riley, the 22-year-old nursing student in Georgia who was murdered by a Venezuelan

00:53:04.320 illegal.

00:53:04.960 They responded to his being convicted and sentenced to life in prison without parole with this

00:53:10.120 headline, Laken Riley's killer never stood a chance.

00:53:16.140 What?

00:53:17.380 It was up for a long time.

00:53:20.360 He never stood a chance.

00:53:21.200 So it was up for a long time.

00:53:22.140 Finally, just as we come to air, they changed it to the guilt of Laken Riley's killer was

00:53:26.700 never in doubt.

00:53:28.200 Apparently, their headline was too much, even for their left-wing audience.

00:53:32.220 Victor?

00:53:33.840 You know, the common denominator with all these stories is that this bi-coastal leader, whoever

00:53:39.460 they think they are, they're completely immune from the consequences of their own ideology

00:53:44.940 and policy.

00:53:45.680 So they never see the Lincoln Riley's of the world, their parents, they don't know what

00:53:50.120 they're going to do.

00:53:50.280 They all count on the idea that they're going to experiment on us like we're lab rats with

00:53:55.800 all this transgender stuff, all this open border stuff, all this critical legal theory,

00:54:00.460 all this critical racial theory.

00:54:02.740 And then they're going to retreat into these zip codes and enclaves and areas where they're

00:54:08.680 never going to, Martha's Vineyard.

00:54:10.080 The Obamas are going to venture out from Martha's Vineyard or the Hollywood Mansion or the Colorama

00:54:15.840 Mansion, then lecture all of us.

00:54:17.440 And then they're going to retreat right back there with all the things they've done.

00:54:21.140 is never going, the fallout from, it's never going to hit them until they really have to

00:54:26.700 experience things that they promoted and they're never going to change.

00:54:32.660 And I think that was what another thing about the election was, that one iconic moment when

00:54:36.840 Barack Obama was lecturing African-American young men who have to deal with high prices

00:54:42.360 and crime and illegal immigration.

00:54:46.020 He was telling them they were illiberal and they had to shape up and they didn't know what

00:54:50.120 it was good for him.

00:54:50.860 It was almost like a Marxist saying, you're all suffering from false consciousness.

00:54:55.020 And I, the professor, I'm going to tell you what you really should be thinking and who

00:54:59.560 you really, really, really should be voting for.

00:55:02.120 And that was, that was just thematic, emblematic of that whole campaign.

00:55:06.600 So that's really the issue right now.

00:55:08.980 I think that the people who lecture and the people get lecture too, and they're tired of it.

00:55:15.620 Mm-hmm.

00:55:16.820 I have to say the, um, we knew this guy was going to get convicted.

00:55:20.540 His DNA was under her fingernails.

00:55:22.280 It was very clear.

00:55:23.060 He was on videotape.

00:55:24.000 The evidence against him was dead to rights.

00:55:26.260 Uh, his name is Jose Ibarra, 26 year old, illegal from Venezuela, uh, found guilty, uh,

00:55:32.740 by a judge.

00:55:33.560 And her poor mother, I mean, this is one of the, this is the woman I, one of the women

00:55:39.040 I mentioned by name when I spoke for Trump the night before the election, that I'd be

00:55:42.820 thinking of Lake and Riley on Tuesday, November 5th.

00:55:45.840 And I was, and I have been for a while, as I know so many millions have, because this girl's

00:55:50.980 story was just emblematic of so many who have been killed by Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's

00:55:56.760 reckless, reckless border policies.

00:55:59.560 Right now they're trying to make it easier for immigrants to cross the border, right this

00:56:03.700 second in his last two months in office, because he hasn't done enough damage.

00:56:08.320 And you think about folks like her mom who testified yesterday on Tuesday that her, she

00:56:16.720 missed Lakin's final text and phone call.

00:56:19.640 Lakin had texted her, good morning, about to go for a run.

00:56:21.780 Are you free to talk, uh, at 8 55 AM on Feb 22 before then trying her mom by phone less

00:56:28.120 than 10 minutes later at nine Oh three within seven minutes, she would be attacked, attacked

00:56:33.620 by this illegal.

00:56:36.260 And her dad, her stepfather, John Phillips read one of Lakin's final diary entries to her

00:56:45.180 future husband in court.

00:56:47.720 I'm going to play it.

00:56:49.320 It's hard to listen to, but this is the real life toll of these leftist border policies.

00:56:56.220 Listen.

00:56:57.480 To my future husband, I want you to know that I'm thinking about you and I'm working every

00:57:07.060 day to become the best wife I can be.

00:57:11.060 They're working through my current relationships to best prepare me for hours and our kids one

00:57:16.440 day and can't wait to love you in the best way I know how for the rest of our lives.

00:57:24.840 No matter what challenges we face, I pray that our trust in God and love for one another

00:57:30.180 overrules the obstacle.

00:57:33.540 May our relationship last forever.

00:57:36.500 Your future wife, Lakin.

00:57:39.100 It's one final thing, Victor.

00:57:42.820 He did not get the death penalty because he had one of these woke prosecutors who, despite

00:57:49.760 the fact that Georgia allows the death penalty, did not personally believe in it.

00:57:54.060 And so this guy will live on the taxpayer's dime until he dies a natural death in prison.

00:57:59.660 I think everybody who watches that asks a Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden or Kamala Harris, what did

00:58:08.580 you think was going to happen or Alejandro Mayorkas?

00:58:11.880 What did you think was going to happen when you let 12 million people in with no criminal

00:58:16.400 background checks, no health background from places like Colombia or Venezuela where gangs

00:58:21.980 are rampant or the Mexican cartels?

00:58:24.560 And what did you think was going to happen?

00:58:26.420 What would they do?

00:58:27.060 They were wolves coming into sheer sheep was the idea that you wanted that.

00:58:32.040 It was just nihilistic.

00:58:33.840 Why were you doing that?

00:58:34.960 And why did you think that you would you would unleash that flood upon innocent people like

00:58:41.000 Lake and Riley?

00:58:41.880 And and it was all was it predicated in the idea that you were so protected your neighborhood

00:58:46.300 or the people you associate or your money or influence that you would not only not experience

00:58:51.480 these things, but you didn't care about the people who did.

00:58:55.740 And, you know, just living out here, Megan, I have right now about a thousand pound freezer,

00:59:05.360 washer, dryer in my on my in my orchard that was just dumped by people.

00:59:11.340 And I can tell you all of the garbage is all in Spanish.

00:59:15.680 Dumped.

00:59:16.600 Wet diapers.

00:59:17.640 Dumped.

00:59:18.120 Uh, I've had semi trucks dumped and we've had a person die, found a corpse in our orchard.

00:59:26.060 Dumped.

00:59:26.620 Oh, my God.

00:59:27.400 And and nobody.

00:59:29.900 I mean, that that person probably committed suicide, but they don't know.

00:59:33.900 But it was it was it's it's some I don't think people realize it.

00:59:39.900 I know where I work at Stanford, where it's got that same mentality of the Biden administration.

00:59:46.780 They condemn as illiberal or reactionary or mean spirited or xenophobic or racist anybody

00:59:53.540 who wants to have legal measured orderly immigration because they're never they never

00:59:59.560 experienced the downside.

01:00:01.480 And when you say things to them, well, if you want 12 million people to come in, you're

01:00:05.920 worried about housing and health care.

01:00:07.840 Stanford University has about 10,000 billets in the summer of empty dorms.

01:00:13.820 They have one of the best medical schools in the world.

01:00:15.920 They have a law school for legal counsel.

01:00:18.460 They have all these student interns that could help.

01:00:20.560 Why don't you volunteer to take seven or eight thousand illegal aliens and let them stay

01:00:26.160 in the campus for the summer?

01:00:27.380 And they go ballistic when you say that.

01:00:29.960 How dare you say that?

01:00:31.160 Same action you get reaction you get from the Martha Vineyard people.

01:00:34.440 We will love these people.

01:00:36.160 When is the bus coming to get them out of here?

01:00:38.500 Here's some care packages.

01:00:39.960 They enriched our lives in the 72 hours they were here.

01:00:43.940 Yeah.

01:00:44.900 Yeah.

01:00:45.220 OK.

01:00:45.540 And so that's what it's all about.

01:00:48.020 Here's two other things on it.

01:00:51.420 Multiple John Hassan on X.

01:00:53.360 Notice this Washington Post, AP, New York Times all refused to describe Lincoln

01:00:57.360 Riley's murderer as an illegal immigrant.

01:01:00.400 And he's exactly right.

01:01:01.640 Washington Post, Venezuelan national Jose Ibarra found guilty of murdering.

01:01:06.540 AP doesn't say anything.

01:01:09.740 A man was convicted of murder in the killing of Lincoln Riley.

01:01:13.120 New York Times, a Venezuelan migrant.

01:01:16.520 Nothing about the fact that he's here illegally and is part of this Venezuelan gang.

01:01:22.360 We're not allowed to talk about it.

01:01:23.600 And final point on it, Allie Beth Stuckey posted this on X.

01:01:27.420 No black squares for Lincoln.

01:01:29.620 No riots.

01:01:30.420 No demands to listen and learn.

01:01:32.820 No lectures on progressive fragility.

01:01:34.580 No scolding from social justice.

01:01:36.740 Christians.

01:01:38.040 They're angrier when a violent criminal is confronted by the police than they are when an innocent woman is murdered while jogging.

01:01:44.120 They're more outraged when an illegal Haitian immigrant gets his shirt pulled by a border patrol agent at the border.

01:01:50.640 Remember that the next time they launch another manipulation campaign.

01:01:54.300 Boy, that sums it up.

01:01:56.380 Yeah, it does.

01:01:58.200 And they're not going to stop until they're forced to stop.

01:02:01.880 And that 90, that 100 day metamorphosis of Kamala Harris, whether we all know that if she had won, she was going to go right back to her open borders policy.

01:02:12.540 And when she's lost, she will go as a lame duck vice president right back to the policy, which we see already being enacted by Joe Biden.

01:02:21.120 And they've already tried to create more apps to let people in on the final influx.

01:02:26.640 There's a caravan forming.

01:02:28.960 That was all just 100 days of cynical falsity that they explained that they were wanting to secure the border.

01:02:36.080 And I'm against illegal immigration.

01:02:37.980 That was one of the most insincere fraudulent campaigns we've ever seen on that 100 day facade that they were going to worry about the victims of illegal immigration, or they were going to stop the illegal immigration, or restore the border, or they were going to worry about crime, or fracking, or a strong military.

01:02:59.100 None of that.

01:02:59.800 That was even worse, because they knew that's what the people wanted, and they did not want to give what the people wanted, because they thought the people were stupid, and their friends and their associates were smart, and therefore they were going to fool the people one last time before they reverted back after they got it.

01:03:15.420 And the people said, I've had it with you.

01:03:17.680 I've seen that you're a one-eyed jack.

01:03:19.320 I've seen the other side of you.

01:03:20.480 I don't want you anymore.

01:03:22.080 And that's where we are now, politically.

01:03:23.540 Now you've got the governor of Massachusetts saying she's not going to cooperate with Tom Homan and his efforts to pull the illegals out of the country, including the criminal ones, the ones who have committed additional serious violent felonies.

01:03:34.900 She's not cooperating.

01:03:36.560 This, as our Border Patrol, ICE, that is, has just gone into Massachusetts, her state, and arrested three, count them, three, child rapists who are here illegally, raping, in two cases, American children.

01:03:52.060 One was a child rapist from Brazil who came up here when he got caught for doing that there.

01:03:57.040 Two others are raping American children here, and she's sitting there saying, we won't cooperate.

01:04:03.000 When these people get arrested for crimes in Massachusetts, we won't tell ICE so they can be deported.

01:04:09.700 We refuse to do that.

01:04:11.040 Well, we'll just see about that, governor.

01:04:12.780 We'll just see whether the people of Massachusetts are okay with Governor Maura Healy's plan to let all the pedophile rapists stay in Massachusetts.

01:04:21.120 Because guess what that does?

01:04:22.300 It creates a magnet for them all to go there.

01:04:25.560 Good luck, folks in the Commonwealth.

01:04:27.840 I'd much rather be in a state that says, we're not doing that, and the illegals get word of it, and then they don't come here.

01:04:33.440 This is just so wrong.

01:04:35.680 It's why it's an issue that you've been speaking out on for as long as we've known you, VDH.

01:04:40.460 Thank you.

01:04:41.400 Thanks so much for being here.

01:04:42.640 It's a pleasure.

01:04:43.420 Thank you for having me, Megan.

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01:06:53.700 The culture war between the left and the right is heating up after Trump's landslide win.

01:07:03.060 Nancy Mace continues to stand strong in her fight to keep women's spaces safe.

01:07:07.560 You'll not believe Katie Couric's attack on her.

01:07:09.940 Meanwhile, is MAGA cool now?

01:07:12.260 Joining me in studio to discuss it, all the hosts of the Red Scare podcast, very popular

01:07:17.920 show, Anna Kachian, wait, it's better when I say it, Kachian, yeah, and Dasha Nekrasova.

01:07:24.880 Great to have you here.

01:07:25.960 They were first with us back on episode 336 in 2022.

01:07:29.900 Welcome back.

01:07:30.480 Thanks for having us.

01:07:32.020 Great to have you.

01:07:32.940 And cheers.

01:07:33.840 Cheers.

01:07:34.500 It was such a pleasure.

01:07:35.760 We did bust out the martinis.

01:07:38.020 We have somebody for the first time in the studio who likes to drink like I do.

01:07:41.700 And we have one of these.

01:07:43.460 We always do.

01:07:44.200 Yeah.

01:07:45.080 And we busted out our Christmas trees for you.

01:07:49.760 We noticed.

01:07:50.560 It's beautiful.

01:07:51.020 You guys are so ahead of the curve.

01:07:52.480 It's before Thanksgiving, but Thanksgiving's late this year.

01:07:55.860 If we wait until after Thanksgiving, we're not going to get enough of the trees.

01:07:59.140 Right.

01:07:59.660 And you have a ton.

01:08:00.860 And here in Connecticut, it was, there was snow on the ground this morning.

01:08:04.020 Yeah, it was amazing.

01:08:05.900 So this could kind of be real.

01:08:07.640 All right.

01:08:08.200 So let's talk about it.

01:08:09.480 You guys went from Bernie bros to Trump supporters.

01:08:14.840 You basically had the same arc as Joe Rogan.

01:08:17.280 How did that happen?

01:08:19.300 Well, Anna hates this because Anna wasn't ever really a proper Bernie bro.

01:08:24.780 I will go on record and say that I've never been a leftist or a Bernie bro.

01:08:28.280 Okay.

01:08:28.640 I've always been a Trump supporter, but I was playing it cool and not going too hard on it

01:08:36.540 because, you know, like, I'll be frank about it out of social cowardice because I didn't

01:08:40.140 want to fear any reprisals or repercussions.

01:08:42.860 But if you listen to those early episodes, you can hear.

01:08:46.080 Mm hmm.

01:08:46.800 Closeted.

01:08:47.600 Crypto MAGA.

01:08:48.560 I mean, people say that we did like a right wing pivot, maybe cynically, but I don't really

01:08:55.160 see it that way.

01:08:56.700 I think like the center just shifted so drastically left.

01:09:00.420 And when I was a Bernie crat in 2016 and registered as a Democrat to vote for him in the primaries,

01:09:07.860 it was a very different political landscape.

01:09:10.320 I totally relate to this because people have said that about me, too, that it was like a

01:09:14.480 money ploy to try to get an audience to, you know, switch on Trump, to like change my views

01:09:20.040 on Trump.

01:09:20.700 And I actually did change my views on Trump.

01:09:22.580 You know, I was not his fan back in 16 for all sorts of other reasons.

01:09:26.260 I didn't mind his policies.

01:09:27.560 I just didn't like him.

01:09:28.380 Um, and it's like, well, then if it was a cynical ploy for you and it was a money ploy

01:09:33.820 for me, what happened to like Joe Rogan?

01:09:36.500 Because he didn't, you know, like what happened to millions of Americans?

01:09:40.000 The whole country shifted right by, you know, some five, six, in some cases, 10 or more points.

01:09:46.260 Was it all a cynical ploy?

01:09:48.160 Like, well, again, yeah, they shifted right of center, which was more left.

01:09:55.480 Yeah, so exactly when the center moves left, you've necessarily found yourself, you know,

01:10:00.180 the right of, yeah, they haven't moved your feet.

01:10:02.140 Exactly.

01:10:02.820 Yeah.

01:10:03.040 And like what the liberals and Democrats want to do now is shift the burden of proof from

01:10:07.120 themselves onto everyone else to explain why there's a massive popular mandate for

01:10:14.280 Trump, which just doesn't add up.

01:10:16.860 I felt I told myself I wasn't going to gloat, but I felt truly vindicated because my home state

01:10:23.520 of New Jersey only lost Trump by five points.

01:10:27.480 I know.

01:10:28.220 Wasn't that amazing?

01:10:28.920 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:10:30.020 I know.

01:10:30.560 We go to New Jersey in the summers and I was thrilled.

01:10:33.700 I feel like Phil Murphy needs to feel the pain of the state becoming more and more red because

01:10:39.320 that nutcase right there is trying to bring in those windmills to ruin the views and the

01:10:43.340 safety along the Jersey shore and kill the whales, which really is a thing.

01:10:46.920 And he hopefully now will listen that neither his residents nor the rest of the country wants

01:10:53.000 that agenda.

01:10:54.240 He should have he should have realized it when he almost lost by a few points his reelection.

01:10:58.800 Yeah.

01:10:58.960 And the same in New York, too.

01:11:00.880 The same effect a little higher.

01:11:02.460 Right.

01:11:02.600 It was 11 points.

01:11:03.580 But across the board, you see these like sweeping demographic changes of people shifting over

01:11:10.100 to Trump, even in like traditionally deep blue strongholds like Manhattan.

01:11:16.680 Right.

01:11:17.420 Yeah.

01:11:17.780 Did you ever think you'd see the day they didn't go for Trump, but they shifted toward

01:11:21.080 Trump in double digits all over New York, the five boroughs.

01:11:24.480 Well, we've been talking about and I know you guys have to one of the main issues and

01:11:28.180 the number one issue for swing state voters is the trans issue.

01:11:31.360 They said that in Democratic polling, it was a long postmortem.

01:11:35.100 And they said in the swing states in particular, that was the number one issue.

01:11:37.860 Too much focus on the trans stuff in particular by Democrats and not enough on the things

01:11:42.200 that actually drive their lives and their concerns.

01:11:45.000 And it's been very interesting to see this come to Capitol Hill this week.

01:11:49.500 And Nancy Mace, who I think was probably inherently on our side on this issue, but like wasn't

01:11:54.360 really focused on it, has now been woken up and is out there fighting this battle successfully

01:11:59.620 on Capitol Hill.

01:12:00.460 So then yesterday she goes to speak.

01:12:03.220 I don't know where was she when she got attacked.

01:12:06.200 I don't know.

01:12:07.000 My team will tell me, but she did get attacked by some trans activist.

01:12:10.780 And here's a little bit of what happened.

01:12:12.340 This is ridiculous.

01:12:13.900 It is the day after Trans Day of Visibility.

01:12:16.600 We have had dozens of trans people die this year because of the hate for lives that you

01:12:21.860 are spreading.

01:12:23.380 And if you want to turn it up, are we going to be free speech for everyone or just the

01:12:27.620 privileged few?

01:12:28.760 Are you going to stand up for the lives of trans people, glad and brown people?

01:12:33.140 Are we fighting for justice?

01:12:34.480 Or are we fighting for big tech?

01:12:36.900 How are we fighting for justice here?

01:12:40.760 That his penis isn't going to be in my bathroom.

01:12:42.940 So at any rate, but we have a responsibility.

01:12:48.040 If you're, if you're pro man watching me undress in a dressing room, you're part of the problem.

01:12:53.760 Yes, it was Georgetown University.

01:12:56.560 I mean, the, the trans stuff.

01:12:59.920 Yeah.

01:13:00.140 I think it was like the silent majority really felt an instinct against it.

01:13:04.520 Um, and now maybe feel a new freedom to, to speak on it.

01:13:10.020 Um, and it's, to me, it's clear that the issue isn't even necessarily that like gender politics,

01:13:16.040 that people are trans or wokeism.

01:13:17.580 It's that like, there's been an ideological capture of the institutions.

01:13:21.580 Like you go to the hospital to give birth and they call you a birthing person that erodes

01:13:26.860 trust.

01:13:27.460 And what woke ideology has done broadly is just eroded trust in like a lot of like legacy

01:13:33.360 institutions.

01:13:34.600 Absolutely right.

01:13:35.220 I get automated text messages from my insurance company.

01:13:38.460 That's that say something like, um, did you know that, um, people who have had their

01:13:44.600 uteruses removed are still at risk for cervical cancer?

01:13:48.240 Get your pap smear now.

01:13:49.800 People, people, um, I, can I spurg on this issue for a minute?

01:13:54.180 Um, I saw you posting about autogynephilia and I was like JD Vance meme face, like ding,

01:14:00.120 ding, ding.

01:14:01.140 Um, because the most interesting thing to me about the trans issue is that the people

01:14:07.420 pushing for it, the trans agenda are not who you would expect.

01:14:10.340 They're not the people that you would typically associate with being trans or identify as trans.

01:14:15.580 It's not, um, the young gay guys who want to pass as women because they want access to

01:14:20.780 straight men and do frankly, a pretty good job of passing.

01:14:23.360 It's not the young tomboy girls who, as you mentioned, maybe have a history of sexual abuse

01:14:29.240 or a history of obsessive thought patterns.

01:14:32.600 It's two separate groups.

01:14:34.500 Number one, it's autogynephiles who are straight men who, um, have a paraphilia where they're

01:14:41.900 sexually aroused by the thought of themselves dressed as women.

01:14:45.760 Um, these guys tend to be older.

01:14:48.860 They're, um, high achieving, high IQ, high aggression.

01:14:51.920 They're very good at like making themselves heard.

01:14:54.920 Um, I've said this before and I'll say it gets them off because they think being a woman

01:14:57.840 is degraded.

01:14:58.460 Yes.

01:14:58.940 Yes.

01:14:59.440 Yeah.

01:15:00.240 Right.

01:15:00.800 And they get off on like people reacting badly to them.

01:15:03.800 Exactly.

01:15:04.380 Yeah.

01:15:05.080 It's like covert narcissism.

01:15:06.720 They're like, I'm telling you everything I am, but if you react badly, you're the problem.

01:15:11.520 And, um, I never thought the patriarchy was real until I started getting bullied by these

01:15:16.920 guys on the internet.

01:15:18.180 So interesting.

01:15:19.280 And then the second group I think are people who are not even trans.

01:15:22.960 They would probably be identified as allies.

01:15:26.520 It's like liberal women and male feminists who maybe identify as queer or suffer from

01:15:31.300 Munchausen by proxy.

01:15:32.600 And all of those people are very locked into like the medical industrial complex.

01:15:38.360 And for me, like having looked into this, studied this for a long time, I think the

01:15:44.100 name of the game is they want to collapse all these categories together for maximum victim

01:15:48.960 status and plausible deniability.

01:15:51.480 The people leading the charge are like the Jennifer Pritzkers of the world.

01:15:55.080 Right.

01:15:55.680 Exactly right.

01:15:56.380 The Pritzker family.

01:15:57.440 And I'm sick of being lectured to by this Illinois governor who doesn't acknowledge what

01:16:01.060 his family has been doing to our children.

01:16:03.200 Now they're talking about him running for president.

01:16:04.780 You know what, I will campaign in the streets against that guy to make clear what they've

01:16:08.480 been doing.

01:16:09.540 But okay, you said so many good things in there.

01:16:12.120 I don't know.

01:16:12.640 I have to ask my team.

01:16:13.520 Do we have the AOC SOT where she's going off about what's happening?

01:16:16.520 Do you guys see her going off about how-

01:16:18.720 Nancy Mace wants to pull down your pants and inspect your genitalia.

01:16:21.900 Yes, we do have it.

01:16:23.400 Good for my team.

01:16:24.380 I don't know if I have- I have the wrong SOT list, you guys.

01:16:26.620 I have the VDH SOT list and not my Red Scare one.

01:16:29.380 In any event, here's AOC.

01:16:30.820 What Nancy Mace and what Speaker Johnson are doing are endangering all women and girls.

01:16:37.660 Because if you ask them, what is your plan on how to enforce this?

01:16:41.980 They won't come up with an answer.

01:16:43.680 And what it inevitably results in are women and girls who are primed for assault because

01:16:50.020 they want- because people are going to want to check their private parts and what.

01:16:53.520 And so the idea that Nancy Mace wants little girls and women to drop drow in front of who?

01:17:00.160 An investigator?

01:17:01.020 It's disgusting.

01:17:02.040 It is disgusting.

01:17:03.380 And frankly, all it does is allow these Republicans to go around and bully any woman who isn't

01:17:09.080 wearing a skirt.

01:17:10.240 And if a woman doesn't look woman enough to a Republican, they want to be able to inspect

01:17:14.520 her genitals to use a bathroom?

01:17:16.380 It's disgusting.

01:17:17.660 They're endangering women.

01:17:18.940 They're endangering girls of all kinds.

01:17:20.960 I mean, that's just women and girls of all kinds.

01:17:25.160 Right.

01:17:25.420 There's so much in there.

01:17:26.980 Yeah.

01:17:27.400 So that, to your point, Dasha, you hit the nail right on the head.

01:17:32.120 These guys, these autogynophiles get off undressing like us, pretending that they're us, and then

01:17:38.420 being shamed about it.

01:17:40.720 And so that, what she's referencing there, is one of those perverted little fantasies you

01:17:45.900 will find in the dark trans chat rooms about how they want to be told they're bad little

01:17:51.500 girls and they have to lift up their dresses to show their private parts.

01:17:55.600 I'd love to know what portions of the internet she's on, because she just revealed something

01:18:00.100 about herself that I don't think she knows she revealed.

01:18:02.680 That's sick.

01:18:03.760 Literally, no one's talking about that other than the pervs in these chat rooms.

01:18:07.100 But, I mean, there, you said on a recent episode that there already are gender-neutral bathrooms

01:18:11.620 in Washington.

01:18:13.020 Right.

01:18:13.600 The fact that they want explicitly to go into a woman's bathroom, like, why are you so

01:18:17.720 obsessed with going to the bathroom?

01:18:19.300 Right.

01:18:20.040 Right.

01:18:20.520 I told them I was going to pay for them to build one if they didn't have one.

01:18:23.680 Turns out they already have them.

01:18:24.540 So what's the country doing?

01:18:25.420 Yeah.

01:18:25.860 And this person who attacked Nancy Mace with her deep voice.

01:18:30.580 His.

01:18:30.940 You know?

01:18:31.960 Yes.

01:18:32.240 Um, and they're citing these statistics of trans people who've been murdered.

01:18:36.300 Like, the trans people who are vulnerable are not AGPs.

01:18:39.620 No, they're gay.

01:18:40.600 They're homosexual transsexuals.

01:18:42.420 Yeah.

01:18:42.740 That's exactly right.

01:18:44.140 So this is Blanchard, right?

01:18:45.980 Richard Blanchard.

01:18:46.460 I think I called him Blanchard the other day.

01:18:47.940 Ray Blanchard, yeah.

01:18:48.600 But Blanchard is the one who took a deep dive into trans people, and in particular, so-called

01:18:54.720 trans women, which is just not a thing.

01:18:56.780 It's men pretending to be women.

01:18:59.140 Well, there are trans, I mean.

01:19:01.020 There's people with gender dysphoria.

01:19:03.060 There's two categories.

01:19:04.220 Well, that's where I'm going.

01:19:04.980 So what he found is that people who say they're trans break down generally into two categories.

01:19:11.120 One is gay men, more effeminate, gay little boys.

01:19:15.980 Homosexual transsexuals.

01:19:17.700 There you go.

01:19:18.080 Yeah.

01:19:18.260 And they're going to be often, like, younger, black and brown versus white, lower income.

01:19:28.020 They're the ones who are really at risk because they often engage in prostitution.

01:19:32.780 They suffer from drug addiction.

01:19:34.620 Those are the guys, women, getting raped and murdered in the streets, usually by members

01:19:40.460 of their own community.

01:19:41.400 And then, according to Blanchard, it's 93%, 91% or 93% are actually autogynophiles.

01:19:50.860 So the overwhelming odds that if you meet a man pretending to be a woman are that he is

01:19:57.100 one of these, I get off on dressing like a woman, and I get off on being shamed, and God

01:20:02.620 only knows what's happening in the bathroom stall next to you.

01:20:04.980 And you, for so long, have been shamed out of acknowledging that or even speaking of

01:20:11.560 it to the point where we don't anymore.

01:20:14.940 And now, if you try to, forget even getting into that, but if you just say, I don't want

01:20:20.500 them in my bathroom.

01:20:21.460 I don't want them in my locker room.

01:20:23.260 You get shamed.

01:20:24.360 Only now are we starting to find our voices.

01:20:27.720 Right.

01:20:27.920 It's one thing to actively oppress someone, and another thing to participate in their

01:20:33.460 delusion and mental illness, which is what they ostensibly want to force us to do.

01:20:39.520 You know, Debra So, she wrote, God, what was her book, you guys?

01:20:43.840 It was so good.

01:20:44.500 I love her.

01:20:45.140 She's brilliant.

01:20:45.760 She came on the show early on.

01:20:47.040 And she's a PhD, end of gender, the end of gender.

01:20:51.160 And she wrote this great book called The End of Gender, and she's a PhD, and she's a

01:20:55.760 specialist in sexual fetishes.

01:20:57.960 And she was saying they're all, there's bizarre ones out there.

01:21:01.100 And one of, I said, what's like the most obvious one?

01:21:03.940 Some people really get off on imagining that they're being eaten by an animal.

01:21:10.780 That sounds Japanese.

01:21:13.680 I'm like, like how?

01:21:15.500 And she said, like, they take in porn that shows like an imaginary, I don't know, it could

01:21:21.880 be like dragon, whatever, that's eating you.

01:21:23.940 I don't know.

01:21:24.740 It's called a boar.

01:21:26.020 I mean, there's furries around.

01:21:27.920 Like, do you guys ever think about the fact that furries still exist and we have to tolerate

01:21:31.260 them?

01:21:31.980 Right.

01:21:32.600 So I do not want to participate in that.

01:21:35.520 I do not want to be next to the guy when he is sketching out the dragon eating him and

01:21:40.440 whatever that does to him down south.

01:21:42.580 I don't want to be anywhere near it.

01:21:44.400 I don't care if that's what he does in his home when he's alone.

01:21:47.440 Yeah.

01:21:47.660 But they're asking us to let that not only into our lives, but into our lives in the most

01:21:52.480 vulnerable spaces for us.

01:21:55.300 And it's not, it is not just bathrooms and locker rooms and sports and prisons.

01:22:00.500 It's actually, we've talked about this a few times.

01:22:02.720 They're coming into the breast cancer hospitals where we have to go for the mammograms.

01:22:10.280 They're going into the OBGYNs.

01:22:13.720 They have nothing to examine down there.

01:22:16.200 They have a surgical created hole at best.

01:22:18.620 It does not need to be examined by an OBGYN.

01:22:21.380 And I don't need to wait an extra 10 minutes for that man.

01:22:24.620 He needs to go back to his surgeon to see if he's healing correctly.

01:22:27.220 You know, when you're like at the OBGYN or getting a mammogram, you already, can I curse

01:22:32.360 on this show?

01:22:32.740 Yeah.

01:22:32.940 You already feel like shit and you're nervous and you want to be alone in your own feminine

01:22:38.080 space.

01:22:39.520 You don't want to be around a pervert who's like secretly jerking off to your pain and misery.

01:22:44.860 Correct.

01:22:46.240 That's the truth of it.

01:22:47.580 So in the midst of all this, again, to your point about who's reacting to Nancy Mace and

01:22:53.440 others like her, enters Katie Couric, who just, I mean, truly embodies Upper East Side

01:23:00.540 elite privilege.

01:23:03.000 Both of her daughters went to the top, top schools for college.

01:23:06.940 They went to the top, top schools, New York City privates.

01:23:10.260 There was a time in which I knew her a bit personally.

01:23:13.140 And she used to be somewhat reasonable when I knew her.

01:23:16.300 She was always a liberal, but she's leaned into that upper echelon of liberals now where

01:23:21.920 you have to be woke in order to have currency.

01:23:24.460 And she reacts to Nancy Mace saying, I don't want men in the women's bathrooms as follows.

01:23:30.700 Hey, everyone.

01:23:31.940 I'm just so disappointed that this Nancy Mace, a Republican from South Carolina, is being so

01:23:39.940 rude.

01:23:40.600 And I don't know, just bigoted against Sarah McBride.

01:23:49.660 And it just seems nasty and mean and cruel because she is the only member who is now forbidden

01:23:58.220 to use the ladies room.

01:24:00.520 And it's just shitty.

01:24:01.800 You know, people are just mean, aren't they?

01:24:04.200 It really makes me mad.

01:24:05.280 But she's not the only he is not the only member not permitted to use the ladies room.

01:24:11.360 All the men are also not permitted to use it.

01:24:13.760 Right.

01:24:14.200 And that's what Sarah is.

01:24:16.800 And they have nasty, mean, cruel and shitty.

01:24:19.680 Mm hmm.

01:24:20.340 I mean, that's like classic boomer.

01:24:23.980 The only demographic that didn't shift towards Trump was people over 65.

01:24:26.900 And I love that.

01:24:30.260 I love the slow burn in your response.

01:24:33.880 But you know what I mean?

01:24:35.100 And they don't like Trump because they think he's mean and rude and uncivil and they find

01:24:41.700 him distasteful.

01:24:43.800 But they don't really stop to ask themselves, like, maybe they're the only demographic because

01:24:49.340 they're sheltered and sequestered away from what's really going on in the world.

01:24:53.640 How people really feel.

01:24:54.780 Yeah.

01:24:55.320 About issues like this one.

01:24:56.340 Of course, it's mean and nasty.

01:24:57.760 I wish we didn't have to talk about that.

01:25:00.120 Right.

01:25:00.680 But I mean, I don't know.

01:25:02.040 But it's not mean because somebody once explained to me.

01:25:06.060 It was a therapist of mine who was like, I don't know, it was with respect to my first

01:25:11.000 husband.

01:25:12.000 We ended the marriage amicably.

01:25:14.120 But I remember the therapist saying, like, you should tell him those things you just said.

01:25:18.520 And I said, well, no, that's mean.

01:25:20.440 And the therapist said, it's not mean to tell the truth.

01:25:23.500 Like, cruelty is saying something with the intention of hurting the other person.

01:25:29.720 You say it because you want to hurt them.

01:25:32.320 But being honest about how you actually feel is not cruel.

01:25:36.720 It's not mean.

01:25:37.760 And that's what's happening.

01:25:38.760 It's not mean to say to a man posing as a woman, Tim to Sarah, you may not come into our

01:25:45.100 private spaces.

01:25:45.760 The spaces in which we're lifting up our dresses and pulling down our pants.

01:25:50.280 The hard no.

01:25:51.720 Yeah.

01:25:51.920 Yeah.

01:25:52.100 And what's so depressing is that these people have effectively combined all the worst qualities

01:25:57.020 of men and women.

01:25:58.760 Like they've they've literally mashed up men's obsessiveness and aggression with women's

01:26:06.840 avoidance of responsibility for their action.

01:26:11.440 I mean, it's just not fair.

01:26:13.080 There's so much stronger and smarter than us anyway, because they're a high IQ male.

01:26:18.460 What's next?

01:26:19.120 They can't drive, nor can they ask for directions.

01:26:22.420 They combine all of the worst things.

01:26:26.880 That's amazing.

01:26:27.960 They are talking about toxic masculinity.

01:26:29.820 You know, they're the worst.

01:26:30.880 There it is.

01:26:32.480 OK, so do we think it's going to change at all now that there's been, you know, they had

01:26:36.880 the one guy, Scott Pressler of Massachusetts, who was like, I'm secretly on the side of

01:26:41.600 reason, even though he pushed all the legislation mandating boys and girls.

01:26:46.540 Seth Moulton.

01:26:47.200 Sorry, Seth Moulton.

01:26:48.500 I was going to say Scott.

01:26:49.680 No, no.

01:26:50.140 Scott Pressler.

01:26:50.720 I love.

01:26:51.700 Yeah, I love him.

01:26:52.220 He's the guy who helped Trump win Pennsylvania.

01:26:53.560 I mean, so he says, OK, I have to be honest now, I'm not in favor of this, but almost everybody

01:27:00.600 else is doubling and tripling down and shaming guys like Seth Moulton for even saying it.

01:27:06.160 So do we think the left will change?

01:27:08.660 What do you mean?

01:27:09.140 Like, will they see this and I.D.

01:27:12.300 poll be tampered?

01:27:16.840 Well, I said I.D.

01:27:18.040 poll.

01:27:18.360 Is that your shirt for identity?

01:27:19.580 Yeah, I like it.

01:27:21.340 I don't know.

01:27:22.100 That's a really good question.

01:27:23.560 I've seen a lot of people because after Trump won, everybody, including liberals, breathed

01:27:27.780 a sigh of relief.

01:27:28.760 The the vibe on the street was peaceful and it wasn't exactly enthusiastic, but people

01:27:36.100 were reconciled to it.

01:27:38.120 I saw that you guys had that Jaguar commercial on the docket and we have to talk about it.

01:27:44.800 It reminded me of of the recent the most recent episode of Saturday Night Live with Charlie

01:27:49.800 XCX.

01:27:50.320 And it's very clear what happened with those both of those things, which were very clearly

01:27:54.660 in development before Trump won the election.

01:27:58.400 And with the SNL episode, they were hoping to have some epic brat memes on how Kamala owned

01:28:05.340 and they had to throw them in the dustbin and just run Charlie as a pop star.

01:28:09.380 I don't think Charlie's the one behind that whole brat.

01:28:12.160 The brat.

01:28:12.660 Yeah, I don't.

01:28:13.260 She adopted.

01:28:14.020 I don't think wokeness is over because you have to remember that it's really, really entrenched

01:28:18.540 in the cultural institutions and federal bureaucracies.

01:28:21.540 And those people are still running things.

01:28:23.720 And so I have a lot of hope.

01:28:25.580 I don't think that guys like Vivek and Elon will try to take care of it.

01:28:30.420 We'll kill it.

01:28:31.260 Here's the, this is disgusting.

01:28:33.580 The Jaguar ad.

01:28:35.160 We must look at it.

01:28:36.880 I'm sorry, but we must.

01:28:38.160 No.

01:28:38.340 Here it is.

01:28:42.800 There's a, it appears to be a man with breasts.

01:28:45.000 I don't know what that is.

01:28:45.760 I don't know.

01:28:49.660 Now it says live vivid.

01:28:52.400 Delete ordinary.

01:28:54.520 Reminds me of the Olympics.

01:28:55.480 Here's another man in a dress.

01:28:57.360 Break molds.

01:28:58.220 Clearly a man.

01:29:01.660 Everyone's androgynous with very weird hair.

01:29:05.640 Copy nothing.

01:29:06.320 Don't worry.

01:29:06.800 We won't be copying you.

01:29:07.860 Jaguar.

01:29:08.580 Let me just tell you something about Jaguar.

01:29:10.960 When I was very young and fresh out of law school, I went to this firm, Bickle

01:29:15.740 and Brewer.

01:29:16.540 It was a great firm, like cutthroat litigators.

01:29:20.100 Like they were like kill or be killed.

01:29:21.800 And I love that.

01:29:23.280 It's very sexy when you were 25 years old.

01:29:25.600 And when you made partner at Bickle and Brewer, you got a Jaguar.

01:29:29.260 Wow.

01:29:29.820 Yeah.

01:29:30.160 It was a great thing.

01:29:31.660 And the guys who ran Bickle and Brewer, especially Bill Brewer, who I know still to this day,

01:29:37.880 the chiseled jaw, like the great suit with the pocket square and good looking guy.

01:29:45.420 He looks a little like Robert Redford and John Bickle, the same.

01:29:49.300 And there was an image with the Jaguar that is what made them want to give the partners

01:29:54.000 of Bickle and Brewer, right?

01:29:55.180 So like it was cool.

01:29:57.080 It was like sort of effortlessly F you cool.

01:30:03.160 This, I mean, I don't know whether Bickle and Brewer are still doing that, but guarantee

01:30:06.900 you if everybody's sold their Jaguar, there is zero chance my former friends and my friends

01:30:11.480 and former colleagues at Bickle and Brewer are doing, this is so, this is a Bud Light

01:30:14.780 moment.

01:30:15.560 Well, I think they're unveiling, yeah, go broke, go broke, Bud Light.

01:30:18.820 I think they're unveiling like an electric car or something.

01:30:21.400 And that's, you know.

01:30:22.860 Electric cars aren't gay.

01:30:23.960 They're gay.

01:30:24.840 They're not in France.

01:30:26.800 Full hands copy nothing because they're trying to differentiate themselves from Tesla.

01:30:30.280 So I think Anna's right that this was something that was in development at marketing prior

01:30:34.260 to the Trump campaign winning.

01:30:37.400 And yeah, it just seems extremely out of touch and irrelevant.

01:30:41.920 Right?

01:30:42.280 Well, to their credit, everybody in the ad is thin.

01:30:44.760 Yeah.

01:30:45.200 Right.

01:30:45.700 That's a big deal.

01:30:46.920 Here is the guy, Santino Pietro Santi, speaking about Jaguar.

01:30:52.960 He's like their, I don't know, marketing guy or spokesperson.

01:30:56.720 He's high up and he's the one behind this.

01:30:58.180 Speaking at the Attitude Awards, 2024.

01:31:01.480 We are seeing progress threatened, freedoms questioned, and our rights rolled back.

01:31:06.600 And we're committed to fostering a diverse, inclusive, and unified culture.

01:31:10.920 A culture where our employees can bring their authentic selves to work.

01:31:15.800 And we're on a transformative journey of our own.

01:31:19.340 Driven by a belief in diversity, inclusion, creativity.

01:31:23.340 We've established over 15 DEI groups, such as Pride, Women in Engineering, and Neurodiversity

01:31:29.520 Matters.

01:31:29.680 That's just too many groups.

01:31:31.260 We've launched major policy revisions, such as transitioning at work to drive equity.

01:31:36.720 I'm just talking about new cars.

01:31:37.980 We are talking about all new ways of thinking and embracing the full spectrum of human potential

01:31:44.660 and creativity.

01:31:47.440 He's wearing a mesh shirt, first of all.

01:31:49.380 Elon responded to that ad with, do you sell cars?

01:31:52.940 That's how I feel listening to him there.

01:31:54.960 Do you or don't you?

01:31:56.680 I thought we were selling cars.

01:31:58.200 Well, it's amazing news because woke people can't drive, so they're not really.

01:32:04.680 This should be a scooter company.

01:32:05.960 Yeah.

01:32:06.280 That's like who would drive, who will be attracted to the Jaguar now?

01:32:12.620 Really, who would drive that?

01:32:14.000 Isn't it about like, I would be caught dead driving a Jaguar right now.

01:32:17.940 And I have to say, I'm one of, I actually just had to buy a new car because my lease

01:32:21.480 expired.

01:32:21.880 And, um, I, I looked into Jaguar just to see, cause I had a good affiliation given my years

01:32:27.880 at Bicklin Brewer, these cool guys who I loved.

01:32:30.260 Yo, it's over.

01:32:31.420 Thank God.

01:32:32.260 I dodged a bullet there.

01:32:33.780 Yeah.

01:32:34.360 What kind of car did you get?

01:32:35.800 I got another BMW.

01:32:37.040 Nice.

01:32:37.480 I have a BMW now.

01:32:38.560 Classic.

01:32:39.040 I like it because it's sporty, but it's, you know, it drives great.

01:32:42.200 Leather interior.

01:32:42.960 Yeah.

01:32:43.360 Cool.

01:32:43.780 And I mean, it really like accelerates very easily.

01:32:46.340 Yeah.

01:32:46.640 I like that about it.

01:32:47.700 It's fine.

01:32:48.400 Yeah.

01:32:48.620 What do you guys drive?

01:32:49.400 I don't know how to drive.

01:32:50.260 What do you mean?

01:32:50.980 I don't know how to drive a car.

01:32:52.620 I have a Volvo.

01:32:55.100 Wait, Volvo.

01:32:56.480 They just released the best ad ever.

01:32:59.020 Okay.

01:32:59.520 I don't know if you saw this on the internet.

01:33:00.660 I don't have this one ready.

01:33:01.760 Maybe we'll drop it in.

01:33:03.020 But it was great.

01:33:03.900 It's the opposite of that ad we just saw where it has a man and a woman, both attractive.

01:33:09.180 Hello.

01:33:09.780 I don't have to tell you, you're in succession.

01:33:11.420 You're a successful actress.

01:33:13.120 We like attractive people.

01:33:14.460 If you're going to be on camera, try a little.

01:33:17.540 Yeah.

01:33:18.220 For sure.

01:33:19.220 By the way, Katie Couric should take that lesson.

01:33:20.720 Why did she go without makeup on her close-up commentary?

01:33:23.420 There's no point.

01:33:24.720 Well, that's the new thing among aging women like Paulina Porzikova and Linda Evangelista

01:33:29.640 where they do like the Instagram stories.

01:33:31.840 No makeup.

01:33:33.240 Okay.

01:33:33.680 But she's not Paulina.

01:33:35.980 No.

01:33:36.480 Yeah.

01:33:36.920 All right.

01:33:38.860 So like if I were Linda Evangelista, maybe I would do it.

01:33:43.720 News women like us, Katie, we need to put on the face paint.

01:33:47.740 Anywho, Volvo put out this beautiful ad of like a young hot guy with his wife and she

01:33:52.420 clearly is coming over with that look and she's telling him she's pregnant.

01:33:56.080 And then he talks to his mom and he's like, I'm worried.

01:33:58.900 I don't know.

01:33:59.560 Can I take care of them?

01:34:00.500 And then they give birth to a daughter and he's trying to take care of his daughter and

01:34:03.780 the Volvo is like driving and all the scenes.

01:34:05.840 Brilliant.

01:34:07.160 Okay.

01:34:07.520 She's got something to tell you.

01:34:33.380 Kate's pregnant.

01:34:34.400 Oh, honey, you're joking.

01:34:37.500 You're going to be a grandma.

01:34:43.120 Leaning into just family and love, the nuclear family, how this looks, how we sell, how the

01:34:49.820 vast majority of people live.

01:34:51.600 So now we all have to buy Volvos.

01:34:53.760 I mean, I think in terms of wokeness being over, yeah, like it is pretty entrenched in

01:34:58.180 the bureaucracy.

01:34:59.880 But as far as media goes, like the people have a bottom line.

01:35:02.760 People want to make money.

01:35:03.540 You know, if the ratings aren't there, if things aren't making money, if the Jaguars

01:35:07.260 aren't selling, eventually it might not happen overnight, but things will pivot towards a

01:35:11.800 more like, honestly, not even right, like center.

01:35:14.900 Yeah.

01:35:15.820 Normal.

01:35:16.560 Yeah.

01:35:17.100 Normal.

01:35:17.560 It's not even like positional.

01:35:18.820 Yeah.

01:35:18.960 And I think now for the first time ever, we have a counterweight, which is the independent

01:35:22.260 media, podcasts, live streams, all of these things that people kind of poo-poo and belittle,

01:35:28.180 but that actually played an important role in getting Trump across the finish line.

01:35:33.700 And now that there's this counterbalance, I think corporations will probably feel a little

01:35:40.120 freer in sticking with their own values.

01:35:43.080 And the big question I always had about wokeness, because the longtime justification for wokeness

01:35:49.700 among sophisticated and rational people was that, oh, well, it's just like economically

01:35:54.260 sound, it's good for profit, but I don't think it is.

01:35:57.720 I think it loses people a lot.

01:35:58.380 You used to get a score from the human rights campaign, which everybody wanted to be like

01:36:02.200 a positive score.

01:36:03.340 It was just a rabidly pro-trans group now.

01:36:06.780 It used to be just pro-gay rights and equality, and now it's just rabidly pro-trans.

01:36:11.160 Yeah.

01:36:11.540 But now, bit by bit, more and more corporations have said, we don't care what our score is

01:36:15.340 from you.

01:36:16.020 Yeah.

01:36:16.700 I mean, 15 DEI groups at Jaguar.

01:36:19.300 Oh, 15.

01:36:19.800 How is that possible?

01:36:21.320 I can't even think of 15 people who possibly need something like that.

01:36:25.820 I'm just curious whether we've covered that.

01:36:28.920 Yeah.

01:36:29.240 I was talking with VDH about the implosion of MSNBC in the wake of Trump's victory.

01:36:35.800 I think it's both because people are depressed on the left, and I do think people are realizing

01:36:40.100 they've been lied to.

01:36:40.980 They were not given the straight scoop by anybody.

01:36:44.760 You guys had 700,000 viewers a night?

01:36:46.800 Like, when I was on Fox, it was like 4 million easily.

01:36:53.480 In the demo, we'd have 700,000, like the 25 to 54.

01:36:57.920 The overall, that's alarming.

01:37:01.500 And this is something I saw.

01:37:03.520 You guys saw this, but I was discussing with my pal, Paul Murray of Sky News Australia.

01:37:10.940 So I go on with him once a week.

01:37:12.520 I love Paul Murray.

01:37:13.960 He's just so fun.

01:37:15.080 I love talking to him.

01:37:16.020 I don't do any other, like, extraneous news hit, but I do this one because I just love

01:37:20.080 this guy.

01:37:21.020 And I was mocking those two, and I was mocking Mika Brzezinski, champion of women, and what

01:37:27.920 a, like, strong feminist she is.

01:37:30.000 And this clip wound up, you know, unforeseeably everywhere, and it even caught in the notice

01:37:35.700 of Red Scare.

01:37:36.380 Here's a bit of it.

01:37:37.600 They were on the cover of, was it New York Magazine 10 years ago?

01:37:41.800 And you have a picture of the two of them where Joe Scarborough is like this.

01:37:45.860 I think he might have his feet up on the table.

01:37:47.580 It's like a power pose for him.

01:37:50.520 And she, she is up there.

01:37:53.260 This isn't bad.

01:37:53.700 I'm not dressed for this, but I'm just, I'm going to show you.

01:37:56.320 Okay.

01:37:56.360 Give me, give me.

01:37:57.480 Thank you.

01:37:57.980 Oh my God, I should not be doing this.

01:38:09.120 That's what she did.

01:38:10.760 And he's sitting there in the position like, yeah, do it, baby.

01:38:15.600 Pose.

01:38:16.560 Pose.

01:38:16.960 Show him your brain.

01:38:17.900 So I am so over her f***ing issues about women's rights and empowerment and race, this.

01:38:26.280 You're full of shit, and we all know it.

01:38:31.280 Yeah.

01:38:32.240 And they went to Mar-a-Lago.

01:38:33.840 Uh-huh.

01:38:34.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:38:35.020 They were eager to.

01:38:36.000 Megan Dasha has to teach you how to crowd walk.

01:38:37.600 There's the image.

01:38:38.560 Vandy Fair.

01:38:39.160 Look at this.

01:38:40.200 I'm sorry, but is this not one of the most sexist things you've ever laid eyes upon?

01:38:45.820 Look at her.

01:38:46.740 She's like Betty Boop.

01:38:48.260 She doesn't get to look in the camera.

01:38:50.280 She's got to look at him.

01:38:51.620 You see?

01:38:52.180 Yeah.

01:38:52.420 She's looking at him, but he's looking into the camera.

01:38:54.920 He's got the power pose with like the man spread cross-legged thing.

01:38:59.340 And she's got leg up to the hoo-ha.

01:39:03.120 I mean, she looks cute.

01:39:04.420 She looks cute.

01:39:05.120 She looks fine.

01:39:05.680 She looks powerful.

01:39:06.580 But my issue with this image is that it's fake.

01:39:10.000 It's a fantasy because you know in reality, she's the one bossing him around.

01:39:13.220 Do we know that?

01:39:14.280 I don't think that.

01:39:14.820 That's what I think.

01:39:15.200 He's such a prick.

01:39:15.900 I feel like it's him.

01:39:17.300 Maybe.

01:39:17.860 Let me tell you something.

01:39:18.400 He came on my show on Fox News one time.

01:39:20.380 He requested.

01:39:21.220 I'm like, all right, fine.

01:39:21.940 You can come on.

01:39:23.060 And can we keep this going past?

01:39:25.120 You guys can stay a little longer.

01:39:26.280 Sure, yeah.

01:39:26.860 All right.

01:39:27.180 We're going to say goodbye to our lovely SiriusXM audience in about a minute, but we can keep

01:39:31.320 it rolling after.

01:39:33.300 He came on my show on Fox News to promote something.

01:39:36.120 I said, all right, fine.

01:39:36.900 I'll do it.

01:39:37.620 And I made a joke about how he has four viewers.

01:39:41.100 Well, he was like, give me the look of death and the death stare and couldn't really get

01:39:52.180 past it.

01:39:52.760 It was like, all right, we were crushing them at Fox.

01:39:55.560 It was such a joke to compare the two ratings.

01:39:57.720 Like he had to expect a little guff from a competitor who was giving him, throwing him

01:40:01.500 a bone by letting him, you know, promote his stuff.

01:40:04.160 He couldn't get over it.

01:40:06.700 He was a prick for the interview.

01:40:08.880 I never received so many interviews.

01:40:11.380 I mean, so many emails as I did from his staff over at MSNBC saying, thank God.

01:40:17.880 Good for you.

01:40:18.840 You did it.

01:40:19.740 He's such an asshole.

01:40:21.060 They all hate him.

01:40:23.000 So I don't know that she's in the power.

01:40:25.760 I feel like he's probably very domineering.

01:40:28.100 Often powerful men like to, you know, like stomped on.

01:40:32.440 Full disclosure, just learn who Joe and Mika were like this morning.

01:40:37.040 That's how we're here.

01:40:38.500 We're so ignorant.

01:40:39.800 We're so ignorant.

01:40:40.900 But I, but you know, Glenn Greenwald had the best take on this.

01:40:45.080 Where he was like, okay, all these people in the mainstream media, I'm guessing their

01:40:49.200 mainstream media.

01:40:50.740 Yeah.

01:40:51.960 We're whipped into hysterics.

01:40:53.820 We're telling us for 10 years that he was Hitler.

01:40:56.140 While we're on the topic of lunatic leftist media, there's a couple of fun things I have

01:41:02.100 for you.

01:41:03.000 Let's look at, she used to be respected.

01:41:06.980 The Washington Post's Jennifer Rubin.

01:41:10.320 And not only was she respected, she was considered their conservative commentator.

01:41:16.840 She might be, I mean, I guess not number one, but she's in the top 10% of people suffering

01:41:22.640 from TDS, right?

01:41:24.080 Like it's rabid.

01:41:26.440 It's gone.

01:41:26.900 It's like, what happens when you get bitten by the sick raccoon?

01:41:31.040 The rabies, like the froth.

01:41:33.460 It's set in.

01:41:34.440 It's set in full Little House on the Prairie style.

01:41:37.300 We'll pull the clip.

01:41:38.240 Here she is.

01:41:39.760 Can't talk broad themes.

01:41:41.420 You have to boil it down to nuts and bolts and you have to be pithy.

01:41:45.960 What do I mean by pithy?

01:41:48.020 How about this?

01:41:49.440 Republicans want to kill your kids.

01:41:51.820 It's actually true.

01:41:53.140 If you're going to oppose vaccinations, if you're going to stop breakthrough medical research,

01:41:59.360 if you're going to allow minors and all sorts of people to get semi-automatic weapons, which

01:42:06.520 they use to shoot up schools, well, then you are responsible for kids' health and death,

01:42:13.000 unfortunately.

01:42:14.060 It has to be that simple and that direct, and it has to be over and over and over again.

01:42:22.240 So what they need to do, in other words, is ramp up the rhetoric about Republicans.

01:42:28.320 That will be a game changer, you see.

01:42:30.640 Yeah.

01:42:31.620 How did that work?

01:42:34.020 Like two weeks ago.

01:42:35.440 I mean, they really alienated people.

01:42:38.100 I mean, do you believe they're still deluding themselves into believing this crap will work?

01:42:44.220 I mean, what about giving them puberty blockers?

01:42:46.560 I guess.

01:42:47.120 Yeah.

01:42:47.640 You know?

01:42:48.940 Chopping off their body parts.

01:42:52.680 It's like Dr. Mengele style medical experimentation, which nobody talks about.

01:42:58.920 Right.

01:42:59.300 I feel like history, if there are any historians left, will not look kindly to this era.

01:43:04.720 I mean, it just feels like such an inverse of, like, Republicans don't want to kill kids.

01:43:10.780 Right.

01:43:11.300 Nor do they want school shootings.

01:43:13.100 No.

01:43:13.380 They believe that it's a problem of mental health.

01:43:15.800 I think, like, the worst thing you can say about mainline Republicans is that sometimes they will agree to use their kids as political pawns.

01:43:23.540 But I don't think that they have that kind of anti-natalist, anti-life bent that left libs have.

01:43:32.040 No.

01:43:33.200 And plus, it's like, I mean, whatever.

01:43:36.560 You didn't get going on the topic of abortion, but it's fine.

01:43:39.020 I mean, good people have different points of view on that.

01:43:42.380 But just to reduce the Republican Party down to what they want to kill children, no one's going to believe that.

01:43:49.320 You already played the Hitler card.

01:43:50.640 Why don't you play that once?

01:43:52.940 Well, yeah, but that's what's so perplexing for me, that Glenn was saying that they have played the Hitler card for years.

01:44:00.760 He's literally worse than anybody ever in the history of the Earth, except for Hitler.

01:44:07.040 Except for real Hitler.

01:44:08.100 Except for actual Hitler.

01:44:08.900 Hitler, he's an absolute threat to our democracies, hell-bent on destroying democracy.

01:44:14.560 And then you're going to do a photo op of you and him shaking hands, and you're going to fly to his beachfront property, and you're going to fall in line and kiss the ring.

01:44:24.400 And so which one is it?

01:44:25.560 I mean, okay, Bill Maher, who's a friend of yours, I'm guessing.

01:44:28.880 You guys have been on each other's show.

01:44:30.540 Yeah, we've been on each other's show.

01:44:31.700 I think we have a mutual respect.

01:44:33.460 Right.

01:44:33.840 I have a question for him.

01:44:35.400 How can he sit across from you?

01:44:37.200 A Hitler supporter.

01:44:39.100 Who are a loyal and avowed Hitler supporter.

01:44:42.480 And talk about how Trump is not only a Bulgarian, but a threat to democracy.

01:44:51.260 Yeah.

01:44:52.240 I don't—Bill is a complicated case.

01:44:54.560 Sure.

01:44:55.420 He definitely loathes Trump with the passion of 10,000 sons.

01:45:01.700 But he's not woke.

01:45:03.620 You know, he's such an interesting guy because he's a non-woke liberal.

01:45:05.800 Well, it's an issue, yeah, like I was saying with boomers of, like, decorum.

01:45:09.740 Yeah.

01:45:10.240 You know, they just don't—they find him distasteful, especially, like, the elites.

01:45:16.200 Yeah.

01:45:16.440 Yeah.

01:45:16.900 And in that way, the Jaguar ad, too, it's like in—you're selling a luxury product.

01:45:22.180 So you think you're pandering towards, like, people who can afford Jaguars, who you think

01:45:26.880 are going to fall in line with, like, DEI, woke ideology.

01:45:30.940 But I think that is shifting, and people are just becoming more realistic.

01:45:35.480 Well, and the real people who are buying Jaguars are, like, plumbers in Central Jersey who made

01:45:40.080 a ton of money off of their small business.

01:45:43.280 But, you know, if I were to psychoanalyze Bill Maher and all the rest of these boomers,

01:45:49.020 some of whom I really like and respect, it's really the narcissism of small differences.

01:45:53.360 He's mad because Trump beats him at his own game, which is being—

01:45:58.020 Oh, they have a personal history, too.

01:45:59.180 Yeah.

01:45:59.320 Trump sued him.

01:46:00.260 Okay.

01:46:00.620 Well, there you go.

01:46:01.100 Interesting.

01:46:02.060 But, I mean, Trump and I have a personal history.

01:46:04.320 Like, you can check that and move past it.

01:46:07.200 A lot coming out of wherever.

01:46:09.760 Can I—

01:46:10.000 Right.

01:46:10.340 Right.

01:46:10.600 You remember.

01:46:11.640 Can I, like, flip the switch?

01:46:14.120 Not a lie.

01:46:14.800 Google question?

01:46:15.720 Yeah.

01:46:16.440 Okay.

01:46:16.940 Yeah.

01:46:17.280 Trump said some not very nice things about you, and yet you made the reasonable calculation

01:46:22.920 that he's better for this country than Kamala, stood by his side, or very loyal to him.

01:46:27.960 You were great.

01:46:28.580 Yeah.

01:46:28.920 Thank you.

01:46:29.500 Really.

01:46:30.000 Yeah.

01:46:30.140 You were saying really great stuff.

01:46:33.180 Thank you.

01:46:33.820 But how did you, like, squash that beef?

01:46:37.660 Well, it took a while, you know, and it was organic.

01:46:41.220 It took a while.

01:46:42.040 Like, that first year after that debate, which I confronted him, and then he really did spend

01:46:47.940 nine months just attacking me.

01:46:49.860 But in Trump's head, I attacked him first.

01:46:53.120 Right.

01:46:53.600 So it took me a while to really realize that.

01:46:55.880 He really felt like I drew first blood, as opposed to thinking, oh, I'm at a presidential

01:47:00.420 debate.

01:47:00.840 These moderators are going to ask me tough questions, right?

01:47:02.800 Like, he felt like I drew first blood.

01:47:04.780 So you have to factor that in, first of all.

01:47:07.520 And if you go back and you look at that year on the Kelly file, I did hit him sometimes,

01:47:11.360 but not that often.

01:47:12.260 I actually was defending him more than I was hitting him.

01:47:14.880 I only hit him on the Gold Star family.

01:47:16.640 He attacked a Gold Star family.

01:47:18.420 And he called that judge overseeing his Trump University case.

01:47:22.460 He said he should step down because he's Hispanic.

01:47:24.840 I was like, all right, that doesn't make sense.

01:47:26.740 But truly, I remember, because I was very careful about, like, when am I going to hit him?

01:47:30.080 Because I know people are expecting me to just go full TDS.

01:47:33.720 But he just never let up.

01:47:35.540 So I really didn't like him.

01:47:36.840 I was like, he's a bully.

01:47:38.260 He's bullying me.

01:47:39.780 This is unpleasant.

01:47:40.960 And I just couldn't see myself, like, ever voting for him, even though I had voted Republican

01:47:46.820 in the past several elections.

01:47:49.360 And so I didn't like Trump.

01:47:50.700 But then he started to govern.

01:47:52.540 I didn't watch the inauguration.

01:47:54.800 I was like, I don't want to watch this.

01:47:56.580 I don't know what this next four years entails, but this doesn't bring me any joy and I'm not

01:48:01.900 going to take it in.

01:48:03.420 This year, I can't wait to go to the inauguration.

01:48:06.060 Like, I'll go as a reporter.

01:48:07.760 I don't want to go as an elite guest.

01:48:09.420 I'm actually, trust me, I could call there and try to get an invitation.

01:48:12.940 I'm like, no, I don't want that kind of a chummy relationship with him.

01:48:16.520 I want to do my job as a reporter.

01:48:18.880 We'll show up there with my press pass and work the crowd.

01:48:22.540 But over his four years governing, I was like, well, I like that.

01:48:26.260 And I like that.

01:48:27.300 And I like this.

01:48:28.260 And I saw how unfair the media was to him.

01:48:31.060 And then the Brett Kavanaugh thing was a before and after moment where I was, as I am with

01:48:35.660 all these women, I'm open-minded.

01:48:37.340 It could have happened.

01:48:38.340 I don't know.

01:48:39.120 Tell me your story.

01:48:39.880 I will listen with an open mind.

01:48:41.840 The more she talked, it was like, what?

01:48:44.080 And then they were trying to sink this guy from the Supreme Court based on a 30-year-old

01:48:49.440 unsubstantiated allegation from a woman who went first to Democrat operatives to bring

01:48:54.040 it forward.

01:48:54.740 And then within two seconds calling him a gang rapist.

01:48:58.080 And I was radicalized onto Team Trump.

01:49:00.760 And then the next four years with a law fair, as a lawyer, I was like, oh my God, this is

01:49:05.680 cash traffic for the country.

01:49:07.620 With E. Jean Carroll, too.

01:49:09.120 It's like, that's how you know these guys are actually clean.

01:49:12.300 It's because when they have to pull out the dirt that's like ancient and nebulous on them,

01:49:17.420 it's like, you're like, wow, they must have actually not done anything wrong.

01:49:19.960 Well, let me ask you something.

01:49:20.640 Do you think he had any encounter with E. Jean Carroll?

01:49:24.060 No.

01:49:24.520 She seems delusional.

01:49:25.800 No.

01:49:26.220 It sounds like a romance novel where he like pushed her into a Bergdorf's dressing room.

01:49:30.860 He gave the best, most credible answer where she's not my type.

01:49:33.580 It doesn't seem like his type.

01:49:35.500 I mean, yeah.

01:49:35.900 And if that's really the worst and all the other law fair, like if that's really the

01:49:39.340 worst they have on him, then they really must have not.

01:49:43.160 If they had something credible, we would know.

01:49:45.340 Did you guys see the deposition testimony where her lawyer was deposing Trump and asking

01:49:53.620 about that statement?

01:49:54.920 She's not my type.

01:49:55.940 And Trump was like, she's not.

01:49:59.160 You're not.

01:49:59.780 You're not my Trump either.

01:50:00.960 You're perfectly honest.

01:50:03.580 I mean, that's that's one of Trump's best qualities that he doesn't really lie.

01:50:09.440 No, sometimes that's what's crazy.

01:50:11.420 Sometimes he lies in the sense of, yeah, like hyperbolizing, dramatizing things in service

01:50:16.880 of protecting his record and reputation.

01:50:19.640 But he's actually like totally honest almost 100 percent of the time.

01:50:23.460 And like libs have this perception that he's like a dyed in the wool liar.

01:50:27.600 And they're the ones who are really lying.

01:50:29.860 Yeah.

01:50:30.280 And they're really good at it because they are like not only misrepresenting the facts,

01:50:36.560 but also like fudging the meaning.

01:50:40.000 And they're doing this in a very like colluded way where all of them are on board.

01:50:45.140 So no one person actually has to take accountability or be responsible.

01:50:50.000 They're they're sort of waiting for Rachel Maddow to get their talking points for the week,

01:50:56.200 who, by the way, also no one's watching.

01:50:59.240 No, I'm watching.

01:51:00.140 But I have to tell you something very sad.

01:51:02.680 Rachel Maddow took a pay cut.

01:51:04.420 I've gone from 30 million dollars a year to 25 million dollars a year.

01:51:10.000 Single tear for one hour of television a week.

01:51:15.840 Oh, however, will she make it?

01:51:18.120 Wait, we pulled over what soundbite?

01:51:19.660 What did we pull over?

01:51:20.420 We pulled over.

01:51:22.960 Oh, Trump at the deposition.

01:51:24.320 This is worth playing.

01:51:25.240 Let's know.

01:51:27.340 What?

01:51:27.640 What?

01:51:28.320 Go ahead.

01:51:28.720 Play it.

01:51:29.000 When you said in that video that Ms. Leeds would not be your first choice,

01:51:35.200 you were referring to her physical looks, correct?

01:51:38.860 Just the overall.

01:51:39.760 Not I look at her.

01:51:41.220 I see her.

01:51:42.360 I hear what she says.

01:51:43.720 Whatever.

01:51:44.560 You wouldn't be a choice of mine either, to be honest with you.

01:51:47.000 I would not, under any circumstances, have any interest in you.

01:51:53.140 I'm being I'm honest when I say it.

01:51:55.740 She I would not have any interest in.

01:51:59.000 Yeah, I mean, she is like such a horny psychopath.

01:52:05.520 The lawyer?

01:52:06.460 No, no.

01:52:07.100 Oh, E.G.

01:52:07.660 Yeah.

01:52:07.960 Totally.

01:52:09.000 All her like.

01:52:09.700 Who names their cat vagina?

01:52:10.800 Yeah.

01:52:11.200 I know she has all these like raunchy tweets and stuff.

01:52:13.780 She's like clearly a very like demented.

01:52:15.440 Yeah, she's like a sexual assault ambulance chaser.

01:52:21.520 Wait, while my team is paying attention, do we have the one where he says fortunately or

01:52:25.440 unfortunately about the grab him by the P word?

01:52:28.620 I don't know this.

01:52:30.140 We're going to go find it.

01:52:31.320 This was the best.

01:52:32.000 I mean, he's such a crowd.

01:52:33.580 Right.

01:52:34.420 Right.

01:52:35.040 Explain that.

01:52:35.760 How do you see that clip?

01:52:37.320 Which one?

01:52:37.900 Well, whatever.

01:52:38.380 What you're saying here.

01:52:39.140 Yeah.

01:52:39.440 That he is.

01:52:40.160 You know, even if you don't.

01:52:41.700 I have a real message of like mercy.

01:52:44.120 You know, I think it's OK if you didn't like Trump before.

01:52:46.840 J.D.

01:52:47.100 Vance didn't like Trump before.

01:52:48.400 Right.

01:52:48.560 You know, I didn't either.

01:52:50.080 I want to speak for him.

01:52:51.140 Yeah.

01:52:51.720 And like now we can all just enjoy it when he when Biden won four years ago, I remember

01:52:59.060 distinctly feeling like I can tell the liberals miss Trump.

01:53:02.740 And now he's back.

01:53:03.820 And I think we can all set aside our differences.

01:53:05.920 He really is like a unity, a unifying candidate.

01:53:08.960 That is the best alternative take.

01:53:11.520 It's true.

01:53:12.720 And it's like to circle back to what you were saying when you were talking about how we were

01:53:17.040 Bernie bros and we pivoted to Trump.

01:53:20.380 I don't really like the purity testing.

01:53:22.320 You're allowed to change your mind.

01:53:23.840 It's not a cynical thing.

01:53:25.180 And the fact of the matter is that Libs, I've said this on the show, I'm going to repeat

01:53:30.040 myself yet again.

01:53:31.280 Liberals say they hate Trump because he sows hateful and divisive discourse, among other

01:53:38.620 things.

01:53:39.260 But it's really the exact opposite.

01:53:41.240 They're threatened by the fact that he's a unifying force with mass appeal.

01:53:45.940 That's what they're really upset about.

01:53:48.100 They can't handle that.

01:53:49.560 Yeah, we're seeing it.

01:53:51.140 Wait, pause on where we're seeing it.

01:53:53.220 And they found the deposition clip.

01:53:54.720 Let's watch.

01:53:55.780 I just start kissing them.

01:53:57.160 It's like a magnet.

01:53:58.380 Just kiss.

01:53:59.380 I don't even wait.

01:54:01.000 And when you're a star, they let you do it.

01:54:03.180 You can do anything.

01:54:04.900 Grab them by the pussy.

01:54:06.180 You can do anything.

01:54:07.260 That's what you said, correct?

01:54:08.040 Well, historically, that's true with stars.

01:54:10.820 It's true with stars that they can grab women by the pussy?

01:54:13.300 Well, that's what it's if you look over the last million years, I guess that's been

01:54:17.500 a million years that they're stars.

01:54:21.940 Unfortunately or fortunately.

01:54:24.720 You consider yourself to be a star.

01:54:29.320 I think you can say that, yeah.

01:54:31.360 And.

01:54:31.880 Yeah.

01:54:33.480 Now, you said.

01:54:35.360 Yeah, that's enough.

01:54:36.180 Whatever.

01:54:36.600 We get it.

01:54:37.300 That's the best.

01:54:37.760 When you're a star, they let you do it.

01:54:39.740 Unfortunately or fortunately.

01:54:42.360 Yeah.

01:54:42.860 So true.

01:54:43.840 He's got an amazing.

01:54:45.520 Yeah.

01:54:45.860 We've always called him our first Jewish president because he has the cadence of like a

01:54:50.020 force.

01:54:50.220 And our first woman president.

01:54:52.140 Yeah.

01:54:52.500 He does.

01:54:53.440 He does.

01:54:54.000 Yeah.

01:54:54.500 He's.

01:54:54.640 And he's he's just like super upfront and actually pretty even handed at the end of

01:55:01.000 the day.

01:55:01.320 But the thing that liberals object to, it's just like elitism, plain and simple, like

01:55:07.320 they have that very unfortunate combination of snobbery and cowardice.

01:55:15.260 Well said.

01:55:16.620 Wow.

01:55:16.900 That's exactly it.

01:55:18.120 That that's all it is.

01:55:20.660 So when they say he's a threat to democracy, well, the democratic process has elected him

01:55:27.460 and also they never stopped to think that they might be the real threat to democracy with

01:55:34.420 their like endless lawfare and media manipulation and like bending of norms and values.

01:55:41.220 But that is what I think when I think of Scarborough.

01:55:44.580 Yeah.

01:55:44.820 Like the day after the election, he went out on his show and he was like, I know you don't

01:55:49.860 watch and nobody watches.

01:55:51.300 So you're fine.

01:55:51.840 Don't start.

01:55:52.380 I've never even heard of him, but I love that about you.

01:55:55.020 But he went out on his show and he was like he was a huge first Biden and then Kamala booster.

01:56:02.200 And he was like, I've been telling him about this trans issue.

01:56:07.100 I've been saying it many times.

01:56:08.560 You know, you really you're on the wrong side.

01:56:11.000 There are people care about this.

01:56:12.640 They don't want boys and girls sports.

01:56:13.920 You were.

01:56:14.820 I don't remember that.

01:56:15.820 I only heard you ripping on Trump and calling him Hitler and saying Kamala Harris was the

01:56:20.460 most articulate, inspiring orator, et cetera.

01:56:25.160 You lied.

01:56:26.060 Really, what you did was lie.

01:56:27.280 But that's exactly right.

01:56:28.660 He he was full of cowardice.

01:56:30.980 And by the way, my team says that they have pulled the bite when he was on the Kelly file

01:56:36.180 that I referenced.

01:56:37.220 Let's take a look.

01:56:37.940 Debbie Murphy has sent me the background and said clip.

01:56:39.860 Let's watch it.

01:56:40.340 And I will tell you whatever background she found.

01:56:42.920 There's still a blonde woman on that set interrupting you at every turn.

01:56:46.060 I swear to God, it's whether it's like six in the morning or it's nine at night.

01:56:50.820 Come on.

01:56:51.740 Somebody help me out here.

01:56:52.940 Only if you snapped your fingers at me, you'd have eight fingers instead of ten.

01:56:56.040 There you go.

01:56:56.640 Boy, you really you did your research, did you?

01:56:59.900 You got your own show.

01:57:01.140 I got another guest.

01:57:01.800 I weren't conservative.

01:57:02.640 You talk about it tomorrow morning.

01:57:03.780 Roger Ailes let me come on the show.

01:57:05.220 Thanks for being here.

01:57:06.040 If you want to see more of Joe, you can join his four viewers and see you tomorrow morning.

01:57:09.620 No, just kidding.

01:57:12.360 Are they okay?

01:57:13.140 So gracious.

01:57:14.560 Yeah.

01:57:15.020 They didn't get the end where he did not laugh.

01:57:17.460 He was not happy.

01:57:18.760 He was upset about my four of your, which was true.

01:57:22.400 And the snap of your finger, he has snapped his fingers in front of Mika's face like that.

01:57:27.200 Even just the two of us sitting here, woman to woman, it's obnoxious.

01:57:30.040 Like, get your fingers out of my face.

01:57:31.700 But a man doing it to a woman is really like, go F off.

01:57:36.020 Wait, are they married?

01:57:37.360 They're engaged.

01:57:38.100 But they had an affair.

01:57:39.620 They were both cheating.

01:57:40.980 They fell in love on morning Joe.

01:57:42.460 Forgive me because I don't have my, who does that?

01:57:45.760 Forgive me because I don't have all my facts about these two at the ready.

01:57:48.420 But I'm 90% sure.

01:57:51.140 Right, Steve Krakauer?

01:57:52.040 They were both married to other people and they were cheating on those people.

01:57:56.300 Wow.

01:57:56.720 Look, it happens.

01:57:57.720 That makes me want to watch morning Joe.

01:57:59.120 I know.

01:58:00.200 Just like crystal ball.

01:58:01.260 A little sexual tension.

01:58:02.640 But like, for real.

01:58:03.920 Then she's out there like sex pot with her leg up.

01:58:06.540 And again, like, I did kind of sex potty photos.

01:58:10.420 I did not potty.

01:58:11.320 That connotes a different thing.

01:58:13.180 Sex pot-esque photos for GQ.

01:58:16.700 So it's not that I'm saying she shouldn't show off her sex appeal.

01:58:20.020 It's that particular photo from a woman who wants us to believe she's a feminist.

01:58:24.700 She's all about female rights.

01:58:25.580 Well, she's looking at him.

01:58:26.860 She's not looking at the camera.

01:58:27.720 She's basically showing her ass.

01:58:29.200 And he's sitting in the power position looking directly at the camera.

01:58:31.840 She's looking over her shoulder.

01:58:33.040 No.

01:58:33.500 Any self-respecting woman would have said no.

01:58:38.020 But can I tell you something funny?

01:58:39.200 We'll drop it into this.

01:58:41.100 My earpiece keeps coming out.

01:58:42.880 Well, you don't need it.

01:58:43.900 You can just listen.

01:58:44.640 But I did the GQ photos when I was turning 40.

01:58:50.080 Oh, wow.

01:58:50.700 And I was pregnant with my second child.

01:58:55.820 And I, GQ, I was like four months pregnant when I did the shoe.

01:58:59.580 We'll find it.

01:59:00.060 We'll put it.

01:59:00.740 But I went, they were like, GQ would like to do a profile on you.

01:59:04.220 Would you like to go do it?

01:59:04.940 I'm like, sure, I'll do it.

01:59:06.620 Fox kind of said you should do it or you shouldn't do it.

01:59:09.220 So I followed their advice.

01:59:10.400 So I go with the PR person over there.

01:59:12.780 And they were like, how do you feel about wearing like a sexy outfit?

01:59:15.440 And meanwhile, I'm four months pregnant.

01:59:16.840 And it's my second child.

01:59:17.740 So like things that already popped down there, you know, like it doesn't.

01:59:20.960 Hold together as well in child number two.

01:59:23.080 And to be honest, it didn't hold together well in child number one.

01:59:26.260 But in any event, I'm like, sure, I'll go over it.

01:59:28.960 And they put all this fake hair.

01:59:30.800 I'm going to have fake hair now.

01:59:31.840 But there it was fake.

01:59:32.640 There it was temporary fake.

01:59:33.760 They just put it in for a day.

01:59:35.160 And they glam me up.

01:59:36.800 I looked so like sexy in a way that I'd never seen myself.

01:59:41.200 I was like, sure.

01:59:42.200 Oh, they found it.

01:59:42.920 Look, here we go.

01:59:44.240 Okay.

01:59:44.580 So I like that.

01:59:45.400 I remember this.

01:59:46.180 Look, first of all, I have boobs.

01:59:47.800 I don't normally have boobs.

01:59:49.460 I have like, I used to call them killer bees.

01:59:53.000 I have like, but they were like floating.

01:59:54.700 I joined the club.

01:59:55.700 They were C's.

01:59:56.700 And I was enjoying it.

01:59:58.200 So now people are upset over my mocking Mika Brzezinski in that.

02:00:03.780 And they're like, you pose for G.

02:00:05.160 You're looking in the camera.

02:00:06.580 You're owning it.

02:00:07.640 I don't have a man there.

02:00:09.240 No, my issue with those photos isn't that she's doing like a sexy slutty pose that goes

02:00:17.080 against her feminist bona fides.

02:00:18.900 It's that it's just corny and theater kid like.

02:00:21.560 Totally.

02:00:22.140 It's not right for her.

02:00:23.840 It really depends on the person.

02:00:25.400 It is right for her because it shows her subservient.

02:00:27.820 And you were saying you got cut off, but that some douchebag men like being like crap done.

02:00:36.380 Well, it's like a cliche, like men who work in finance will patronize dominatrixes because

02:00:41.060 their lives are so they have so much power and they're under so much pressure that they

02:00:45.740 then like to be like subjugated.

02:00:47.960 It's almost.

02:00:48.420 Yeah, it's like you're a bad boy.

02:00:50.440 Yeah, it's a kind of a classic sexual pathology.

02:00:53.740 That's not.

02:00:54.280 But that's not what was in that photo.

02:00:56.240 No, no, no.

02:00:57.040 Right.

02:00:57.340 It was.

02:00:57.820 Look at me.

02:00:58.740 Who took that photo?

02:00:59.780 Was it Ani Leibovitz?

02:01:01.460 It looks like it was Vanity Fair.

02:01:03.600 Looks like her handiwork.

02:01:04.800 They were on the cover of Vanity Fair.

02:01:06.440 How?

02:01:06.940 I don't know if it was.

02:01:07.580 It wasn't the cover.

02:01:08.220 It probably was.

02:01:08.760 I was on the cover of Vanity Fair.

02:01:10.220 How have they had.

02:01:11.620 Not with that photo.

02:01:12.320 That was cheeky.

02:01:13.480 So few viewers for so long.

02:01:15.740 Mark Seliger.

02:01:16.500 Was it the cover?

02:01:17.080 Steve Krakauer?

02:01:18.220 He's looking it up.

02:01:19.640 No.

02:01:19.820 It wasn't the cover.

02:01:23.760 I just feel.

02:01:24.300 Oh, it was about Joe Scarborough possibly running for president.

02:01:27.480 It was 2012.

02:01:28.680 Wow.

02:01:28.840 The open laughs.

02:01:30.340 Finish your point.

02:01:31.020 What were you going to say, Dasha?

02:01:32.620 Oh, how long?

02:01:34.040 How have they had their show for so long with so few viewers?

02:01:37.640 Yeah.

02:01:38.060 Yeah.

02:01:38.600 Good question.

02:01:39.660 I mean, MSNBC just doesn't have a lot of viewers.

02:01:41.940 It never did.

02:01:43.160 The slashies.

02:01:44.180 I was making fun of this earlier, but if you get less than 50,000, which has never been a

02:01:49.240 thing on Fox.

02:01:49.740 No, we've never, ever, you were never flirting with a slash.

02:01:53.260 But if you get under 50, you get slashy.

02:01:56.380 50,000 viewers.

02:01:57.360 That's a lot.

02:01:57.600 But that's good for podcasts.

02:01:58.760 Yes.

02:01:59.560 It's not good for cable.

02:02:00.620 We're in niche podcasts who don't have like a video thing.

02:02:02.980 Why not?

02:02:04.200 We're lazy.

02:02:05.180 Yeah.

02:02:05.420 It's not hard.

02:02:06.920 I know.

02:02:07.640 We don't.

02:02:07.980 It's just us.

02:02:08.720 We don't have like producers or anyone.

02:02:10.580 Well, I might have to make this happen for you.

02:02:12.700 Okay.

02:02:13.080 That'd be nice.

02:02:13.780 No.

02:02:14.540 Well, that, that, speaking of being on camera, is this, how do you, how are you talking like

02:02:19.720 this as a Hollywood actress?

02:02:20.760 Well, I mean, yeah, it hasn't been great for my career, but I have other things going.

02:02:31.900 You know, I'm not like, well, just an actress.

02:02:34.940 I'm a multi-hyphenate.

02:02:37.180 But I think things will shift.

02:02:38.960 And I mean, it's always not ideal.

02:02:40.680 I mean, you had Rachel Ziegler on the docket too.

02:02:42.600 I think actresses should be quiet.

02:02:44.060 So like, I understand why.

02:02:45.320 She's such an asshole.

02:02:46.640 You know, what is she the one that's on the cover of Cosmo with the cover story authored

02:02:51.000 by Jack Antonoff?

02:02:52.560 I don't know.

02:02:53.160 I just know of her stupid statements in the news.

02:02:55.980 Yeah.

02:02:56.280 I think actresses should be quiet.

02:02:58.300 I love that.

02:02:59.080 You can be hindered.

02:03:00.000 And I'm like, I don't, I understand why I've been hindered in my career as an actress

02:03:03.860 for being a media personality.

02:03:06.020 Do you feel like they've silenced you?

02:03:08.440 Well, just, it's not ideal.

02:03:09.860 It's a liability.

02:03:10.600 People don't like liability.

02:03:11.860 Does your agent say, Tasha, shut up.

02:03:15.400 Yeah.

02:03:16.040 Yeah, of course.

02:03:16.820 It sure does.

02:03:17.480 It sure does.

02:03:18.620 Of course.

02:03:19.580 But I think things will shift and, you know.

02:03:22.160 Right.

02:03:22.540 Well, right now they're looking for Trump supporters for movies, for television shows, for The View.

02:03:29.560 Like now they can be like, we hired Dasha.

02:03:33.140 What do you mean?

02:03:33.920 We're fair and balanced.

02:03:34.740 Well, now that they, yeah.

02:03:36.540 I mean, it's, yeah, it's, I think just any kind of like commentary will make you a liability.

02:03:42.380 Here, so the reason we had Rachel Zegler on the docket is she's an asshole.

02:03:50.260 That's number one.

02:03:51.600 You called her a pig?

02:03:52.760 She's a pig.

02:03:53.760 I know.

02:03:54.440 I'm harsh.

02:03:55.040 Sometimes I really get on the rules.

02:03:55.900 She's a young girl.

02:03:56.920 Oh, fuck her.

02:03:57.740 We've called people slam pigs.

02:03:59.380 There we go.

02:04:00.240 Thank you.

02:04:00.920 Anna gets it.

02:04:01.620 No, no, no.

02:04:02.160 I know.

02:04:02.680 But I just mean she's, you know, actresses aren't known for their like.

02:04:05.560 She's so annoying.

02:04:06.260 I know.

02:04:06.580 She's dumb.

02:04:07.320 She's young and she's dumb.

02:04:08.820 But maybe she'll learn.

02:04:09.920 You know what?

02:04:10.420 She's, whatever I called her, it worked.

02:04:13.560 She apologized.

02:04:14.180 She did a 180 after I attacked her and she deserved it.

02:04:18.780 You deserved it, my dear.

02:04:20.480 Hopefully you'll grow up soon.

02:04:21.940 You should listen to the Megyn Kelly show.

02:04:23.260 It'll help you.

02:04:25.200 So she came out and took a large dump on half of the country.

02:04:29.060 Everyone who voted for Trump, I remember her words.

02:04:32.280 She hopes they know no peace.

02:04:34.180 Right.

02:04:34.320 Something really, yeah.

02:04:34.940 And that Trump knows no peace.

02:04:36.820 The man's already been almost assassinated twice.

02:04:39.540 So maybe check the rhetoric.

02:04:41.420 So I attacked her and then she came out and she said, I apologize.

02:04:46.840 Like I, I went too far, but it wasn't sincere because she's had a long history of saying

02:04:51.800 woke, annoying things.

02:04:54.200 Our new Snow White and my team, my helpful team pulled this thought from just soundbite,

02:04:59.300 sound on tape, S-O-T, from December 2023, in which, I mean, I would say,

02:05:06.140 she leans into her role as both victim and heroine.

02:05:10.760 Listen.

02:05:11.440 And to everyone who hates when I win, the winged victory came to the Louvre in pieces

02:05:20.060 and people still line up to see her.

02:05:23.720 Oh my God.

02:05:25.100 And I can only hope.

02:05:27.300 It's a statue.

02:05:28.420 That despite my flaws and despite my cracks and my bricks, and there are many of them.

02:05:36.620 That at every premiere and everything I do, people will wait in line to see.

02:05:46.860 I mean, she's an actress.

02:05:48.680 They do that.

02:05:49.580 Can you please analyze that from an actor, director perspective?

02:05:53.340 That's what actors, that's how they are.

02:05:55.300 They're emotional.

02:05:56.440 They're, you know.

02:05:57.560 Was that acting?

02:05:58.140 They're porous.

02:05:59.980 Yeah.

02:06:00.760 I mean, but no.

02:06:02.320 Could you do that?

02:06:02.920 Could I get, should I start crying?

02:06:06.740 Yeah, they're porous.

02:06:08.940 They're like, you know, they're not known.

02:06:11.020 They're not intellectuals.

02:06:12.720 No.

02:06:13.820 My friend, Melissa Francis, is a childhood actor.

02:06:18.260 She was on Little House on the Prairie.

02:06:20.060 She and Jason Bateman were like the new Ingalls kids when the originals aged out.

02:06:26.520 So they had to bring a new one.

02:06:28.940 So she and he starred together.

02:06:30.940 And she's amazing because she still gives her children a hard time when they fake cry.

02:06:36.120 Really?

02:06:36.980 That's what you have to do.

02:06:38.000 You have to laugh at them.

02:06:38.860 And then they break out into a chuckle because they know.

02:06:41.000 She's like, can I see a real tear?

02:06:42.480 I would produce true waterworks.

02:06:45.320 You're going to have to up your game if you're going to be in this family.

02:06:48.020 Kids are the best actors.

02:06:49.660 As a friend of mine put it, kids are stupid but intuitive.

02:06:52.000 And they can see through you every single time.

02:06:55.960 And I think that's what, like, actors are, too, a lot of the time.

02:06:58.880 Stupid but intuitive.

02:07:00.140 They have a different kind of intelligence.

02:07:01.740 Yeah.

02:07:02.180 Yeah.

02:07:02.600 Yeah.

02:07:03.400 I agree.

02:07:04.100 Well, what did you think of the Oprah town hall with Meryl Streep?

02:07:07.360 Madam President.

02:07:08.580 Oh, I mean Madam Vice President.

02:07:10.920 Oh.

02:07:12.160 Did I say President?

02:07:13.740 I didn't watch it.

02:07:14.360 Good for you.

02:07:14.880 This is why you're happy.

02:07:15.780 How old are you?

02:07:17.360 33.

02:07:18.000 Yeah, you're living your life.

02:07:19.060 You're having a great life.

02:07:20.040 You know.

02:07:20.420 How old are you?

02:07:21.000 Do you mind if I ask?

02:07:21.780 Sorry.

02:07:22.400 Why?

02:07:22.740 Because I look old.

02:07:23.440 No, I shouldn't have asked it of either one of you.

02:07:25.780 I'm 39.

02:07:26.980 So what's the story?

02:07:27.860 Like, we talked last time.

02:07:29.680 One of you is from Belarus.

02:07:31.960 Her.

02:07:32.520 And one of you is from Russia.

02:07:34.320 Moscow.

02:07:34.900 Yeah, from Moscow.

02:07:35.680 Okay.

02:07:35.960 So then you came over to the United States with your parents.

02:07:38.340 Uh-huh.

02:07:39.280 And how did you find each other again?

02:07:41.140 Remind us.

02:07:41.680 Well, she moved to the West Coast.

02:07:43.380 I moved to the East Coast through no fault of our own.

02:07:47.420 And I don't know.

02:07:48.180 I mean, I think, like, we were mutuals on social media.

02:07:50.620 And we had some mutual friends in New York.

02:07:52.660 I moved to New York in 2018, which is when we started the show.

02:07:56.020 I was in New York since 2009.

02:07:58.620 But we had been following each other online.

02:08:01.280 Yeah.

02:08:01.400 Why are you so much alike?

02:08:03.360 Like, the way you speak, you have, like, a sort of quiet affect.

02:08:08.160 We're astrologically really compatible.

02:08:10.240 I love your cutting commentary with, like, the flat affect.

02:08:14.580 It's very effective.

02:08:15.900 I think it's a Slavic thing.

02:08:17.560 Is it?

02:08:18.140 Yeah.

02:08:18.740 Like Melania.

02:08:19.600 Like Melania.

02:08:20.560 Yeah.

02:08:20.760 I love watching her parenting videos where she's like, Baron is going to go to school

02:08:25.540 and then he will get his suitcase.

02:08:27.920 And it's literally how I talk to my toddler.

02:08:31.940 And you can tell that she really loves him and she's really enthusiastic about him.

02:08:35.380 But she's keeping her emotions.

02:08:37.560 Totally regulated.

02:08:38.800 Regulated.

02:08:39.580 Yeah.

02:08:40.060 At bay.

02:08:40.860 Because she doesn't want to lose control.

02:08:43.500 Does it surprise you that she married Trump?

02:08:46.020 No.

02:08:46.500 And stayed with Trump?

02:08:47.520 No.

02:08:47.960 No.

02:08:48.240 Why?

02:08:48.480 Explain that.

02:08:51.300 Because she's smart.

02:08:52.640 I mean, well, people love to slander her as, like, an Eastern European prostitute.

02:09:00.180 I feel like she experiences a lot of anti-Slavic rhetoric.

02:09:04.780 But she's obviously, like, a very smart and elegant woman.

02:09:08.980 She speaks six languages.

02:09:10.060 Yeah.

02:09:10.840 Yeah.

02:09:11.100 And she's discreet, which can't be said of a lot of people.

02:09:13.940 They love to pull up her, like, nude and risque photos and be like...

02:09:20.100 They think that's a slam.

02:09:21.760 Yeah.

02:09:22.800 This isn't the own you think it is.

02:09:25.020 She looks great and all models did nude photos.

02:09:27.720 We're all like, oh, man, I have to try harder.

02:09:31.060 I gotta get to the gym.

02:09:31.880 Uh, and Ivanka was Slavic as well.

02:09:36.280 So he has a type.

02:09:37.040 Right.

02:09:38.420 Well, describe Eastern European women.

02:09:42.520 I mean, we're effectively American, so we're probably not...

02:09:45.400 But you know these women.

02:09:46.200 You know women like that.

02:09:47.580 I think they're deceptively warm.

02:09:49.620 Um, that they have a reputation for being cold, but actually most, like, Russian and Slavic women I've known are very...

02:09:56.080 Why would she put up with, like, I mean, I don't know whatever about Stormy Daniels, but there's no question, I think, that Trump has not been totally faithful.

02:10:04.300 Yeah.

02:10:04.800 So why would she put up with that?

02:10:07.760 Um, maybe because she's not super sentimental.

02:10:12.560 Yeah.

02:10:12.780 And, you know, she has a good life.

02:10:15.040 She loves her son.

02:10:15.820 She loves her husband.

02:10:16.800 It's not...

02:10:17.520 It's...

02:10:18.080 I don't know.

02:10:18.580 Infidelity doesn't have to be, like, a deal breaker.

02:10:20.820 I would say that, like, at the end of the day, Eastern European women have a warm heart and mean well, but they have a contempt for weakness.

02:10:27.400 So you always have to save face.

02:10:30.240 I share that.

02:10:31.200 Yeah.

02:10:31.840 I know.

02:10:32.280 I can tell.

02:10:33.240 Yeah.

02:10:33.340 I feel like you.

02:10:35.840 That's very interesting.

02:10:37.480 But I think that that's all, like, non-retarded women who end up, like, they happen to always lean slightly right.

02:10:46.020 Not because they're necessarily even, like, politically invested or involved, but that's just, like, how it goes.

02:10:52.400 Mm-hmm.

02:10:53.780 Yeah.

02:10:54.280 That explains a lot.

02:10:56.420 I don't...

02:10:57.160 She's, like, impeccable.

02:10:59.420 Mm-hmm.

02:10:59.860 Her beauty, her style, her class.

02:11:03.640 Yeah.

02:11:04.460 You could not behave any better, right?

02:11:06.600 Like, what more could you ask of her?

02:11:08.340 And yet she gets totally ignored by Vogue and all the other magazines.

02:11:12.520 They have no interest in her because she's married to Trump.

02:11:14.900 Yeah.

02:11:15.560 Or, yeah, or they talk about how she's, like, basically a prostitute that she married who's, like, ready to betray him at any moment, which she hasn't done.

02:11:23.980 The New York Times called her a mannequin when he was running, a mannequin.

02:11:28.460 Like, really?

02:11:30.020 That's so sexist.

02:11:31.380 I know.

02:11:32.400 This magazine that wants us to believe they're totally woke and involved and so on.

02:11:35.220 Yeah.

02:11:35.620 All right.

02:11:36.160 So what's your prediction for the next four years?

02:11:38.720 How's it going to go?

02:11:39.520 Are these liberals who told us he was Hitler going to try to be more open-minded in their coverage because they know that their base actually may have voted for him, the working class, minorities, even women in much larger numbers than expected?

02:11:52.360 Are they going to try to say, like, I'm going to be fair or are they going to be their normal selves and try to ruin him?

02:11:59.540 I think, well, I think if he does follow through on the mass deportations, we're going to have kids in cages.

02:12:10.300 We're going to have lots of, like, trauma porn, basically.

02:12:14.500 But for the most part, I've said this on the show, like, they don't have it in them the way they used to.

02:12:20.400 They're not doing the women's marches.

02:12:21.800 There's no hashtag resistance.

02:12:23.180 Like, I just don't think they have the energy or the popular, like, the writing's on the wall.

02:12:29.380 So I think, for the most part, it won't be as bad as the TDS was during his first term.

02:12:37.140 I think they're going to recede into their own enclosed, like, siloed sphere of media, like the Ezra Klein's, the Matty Iglesias's.

02:12:48.020 I can't pluralize that name.

02:12:49.800 That was tough.

02:12:49.840 After a martini, well done.

02:12:51.140 And Sam Harris was just on his podcast talking about the failures, the Commonwealth's failures and Trump's victory and, you know, basically, like, lying through his teeth, though he's not even aware that he's lying.

02:13:07.620 I agree with Dasha.

02:13:08.860 I don't think it's going to be as bad or as strident as it was before.

02:13:12.580 And the one I'm a natural, like, cynic and pessimist.

02:13:16.000 But the one thing that makes me feel really, really hopeful about this administration is that everybody in it is so young.

02:13:23.960 They're like my age.

02:13:25.460 Yeah.

02:13:26.140 And so it's very clear.

02:13:28.920 He's 40.

02:13:29.980 He's a year older than me.

02:13:31.040 So it's, like, very clear that Trump is not only, like, interested in remaking the Republican Party in his own image.

02:13:37.620 He's also interested in injecting it with new blood and giving it a future.

02:13:41.960 Tulsi's 43.

02:13:43.480 Hegseth is 44.

02:13:44.880 They're so young.

02:13:45.580 Think about it.

02:13:46.400 I mean, that's crazy.

02:13:47.660 My door guys advanced to be president for eight years.

02:13:50.640 Yeah.

02:13:51.480 I mean, you can only hope, right?

02:13:53.500 That would be such a gift to the country.

02:13:56.100 Yeah.

02:13:56.660 You ladies are a pleasure.

02:13:58.560 Thank you.

02:13:59.080 Thank you.

02:14:00.260 I would suggest that we hang out socially, but I'm, like, old enough to be your mother, so it would be not appropriate.

02:14:06.000 But come again.

02:14:07.200 Yes.

02:14:07.480 We would love to.

02:14:08.300 Please do.

02:14:08.940 It was so fun.

02:14:10.140 It's been great.

02:14:10.720 Nice to see you in person.

02:14:12.180 Wow.

02:14:12.540 Right?

02:14:12.940 Did you love them?

02:14:14.060 The ladies of Red Scare.

02:14:16.220 Thank you all for listening, and we'll see you Monday.

02:14:18.820 Have a great weekend.

02:14:22.720 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

02:14:24.620 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

02:14:40.720 We'll be right back with you.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 22, 2024

Media Lies About Hegseth, and the Cultural Shift That Led To Trump's Victory, with Victor Davis Hanson and Red Scare Hosts ｜ Ep. 952

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