The Megyn Kelly Show - December 17, 2025


New Phase of Brown U. Shooter Manhunt, Reiner Son Charged, Aussie Attack ISIS Link: AM Update 12⧸17


Episode Stats

Length

18 minutes

Words per Minute

156.20038

Word Count

2,853

Sentence Count

185

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary

After 72 hours, the Brown University mass shooter still remains on the loose and could face life in prison without parole or the possibility of the death penalty. Meanwhile, online sleuths point fingers at a student who they believe may have been the target of the attack.


Transcript

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00:00:30.000 Good morning, everyone. I'm Megan Kelly.
00:00:32.640 It's Wednesday, December 17th, 2025, and this is your AM Update.
00:00:37.280 We all know the first 24 to 48 hours are the most important in a homicide investigation.
00:00:43.820 More than 72 hours after the attack, the Brown University mass shooter remains on the loose.
00:00:50.180 These charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole
00:00:57.160 or the death penalty.
00:00:58.780 Prosecutors filing charges against 32-year-old Nick Reiner, accusing him of slaying his parents,
00:01:05.700 famed movie director Rob Reiner, and wife Michelle with a knife.
00:01:10.520 Australian authorities officially saying the Bondi Beach shooting is connected to ISIS.
00:01:15.820 Secretary of State Marco Rubio, plus Secretary of War Pete Hegseth,
00:01:20.060 brief lawmakers on the drug boat strike campaign.
00:01:22.780 I get to marry the love of my life, and I feel just like the luckiest girl in the world.
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00:01:31.640 All that and more in just a moment on your AM Update.
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00:02:16.120 The Brown University shooter still on the loose. Providence, Rhode Island authorities yesterday
00:02:23.260 giving an update but providing little new information. Police releasing enhanced video
00:02:28.280 of what they're still calling a person of interest hours prior to the shooting. The same husky male
00:02:34.360 seen in the videos released yesterday. Authorities again asking the public to search doorbell cameras
00:02:39.720 and other devices for more footage that may have captured the subject. Rhode Island Attorney General
00:02:45.280 Peter Nerona saying the video released so far contains the clearest images they have of this person of
00:02:51.060 interest. On Tuesday afternoon, online sleuths noting Brown University apparently removing pages
00:02:57.680 associated with a student touting left-wing ideology. Many speculating that student might be the suspect.
00:03:05.040 A.G. Nerona weighing in on those reports.
00:03:07.500 I think this is an area where caution is really necessary.
00:03:11.660 There are lots of reasons why a page might be taken down, particularly if there's chatter out there
00:03:17.720 about words that were spoken. It's easy to jump from someone saying words that were spoken to what
00:03:23.820 those words are to a particular name that reflects a motive targeting a particular person. That's a really
00:03:30.580 dangerous road to go down. Really dangerous. If that name meant anything to this investigation,
00:03:36.820 we would be out looking for that person. We would let you know we were looking for that person.
00:03:42.520 You know, again, I think it's just a really dangerous road to go down.
00:03:46.860 Some wondering if the target of the attack was vice president of the Republican Club at Brown,
00:03:52.400 Ella Cook, one of the deceased victims and a prominent conservative voice on campus.
00:03:57.940 Providence Police Chief Oscar Perez saying authorities do not believe she was the intended target at this
00:04:04.300 point. Three days removed from the attack, many growing weary and impatient. We spoke to retired
00:04:10.480 FBI agent James Fitzgerald, known for his role in capturing the Unabomber, about what to expect.
00:04:17.220 Fitzgerald says these video releases, even short clips, are encouraging steps that can further the
00:04:22.900 investigation.
00:04:23.460 Good for them. They found some of this person, much like the J-5 bomber that he could kind of put
00:04:29.420 him walking through some neighborhoods. They're sort of doing the same with this guy. And it does give
00:04:35.980 a better picture of in terms of height and weight. He looks like a white male, at least from a little
00:04:42.980 bit of his face that we can see. None of this we knew before. I'm not sure the age, 20s to early 30s,
00:04:50.120 perhaps kind of an unusual gate. And that can be analyzed with various software programs. So it's
00:04:56.400 always a good thing to get these types of pictures, videos. Let's hope there's some video of him
00:05:01.420 somewhere getting into a car or getting into a public transportation, going into a business. And at that
00:05:07.280 point, perhaps they can further narrow down the search and perhaps even identify the individual
00:05:12.560 involved.
00:05:13.680 FBI agents and other law enforcement officers seen canvassing throughout the streets and kicking
00:05:19.080 through the snow in recent days. Fitzgerald describing the tedious searching that lies
00:05:23.920 ahead for investigators and the major breakthroughs it could lead to.
00:05:27.860 With the Charlie Kirk investigation in September, they did the same thing and they actually found
00:05:32.000 the rifle buried under some leaves or debris or something. So that type of a search paid off.
00:05:38.600 A ground search of the immediate area is, you know, investigation 101. You have to do that.
00:05:45.740 They're going to go through some sewer systems and there's ways of looking for weapons. That way,
00:05:51.880 they may drag some lakes or rivers or creeks, whatever, or sending drones, you know, underwater.
00:05:58.380 They're going to do all kinds of searches. They're also going to go door to door and neighbor to
00:06:02.040 neighbor. That's what you do, a neighborhood canvas, they call it. And I'm probably within a half mile
00:06:07.400 of the campus. And certainly any streets this guy walked along, investigators are going to be
00:06:13.660 knocking on every door. We asked Fitzgerald about the typical timeline in a manhunt like this
00:06:18.960 and how we are already past the most crucial window. There is no normal timeline. We all know the first
00:06:27.000 24 to 48 hours are the most important in homicide investigation. Nowadays with social media and again,
00:06:35.460 surveillance footage, as we're discussing here, sometimes it takes extra hours, extra days.
00:06:42.220 I've been in these investigations. I know how difficult they are. And to the Olympic bombings
00:06:47.760 and other bombings after that in the mid to late 90s, we knew the guy was Eric Rudolph. We knew he
00:06:53.620 drove his truck to Western North Carolina. It still took us five years to find him and we knew his name.
00:06:58.760 So you don't know. This guy may decide to be perfectly quiet about it. Deep, deep cover,
00:07:05.440 sort of his own Manchurian candidate and didn't say a word to anybody and just went out on Saturday,
00:07:12.860 shut up the school. And that may be it. But I'm giving these investigators the benefit of the doubt,
00:07:19.360 certainly now with the FBI involved, my former agency. And I have a feeling this guy's days are numbered.
00:07:25.600 Nick Reiner officially charged in connection with the murder of his parents,
00:07:32.860 legendary director Rob Reiner and wife Michelle. Nick's arraignment originally set for Tuesday,
00:07:38.760 delayed pending medical clearance for transportation from the jail to the courthouse.
00:07:43.940 Los Angeles County District Attorney Nathan Hockman yesterday evening outlining the charges.
00:07:49.020 These charges will be two counts of first degree murder with a special circumstance of multiple
00:07:56.000 murders. He also fesses a special allegation that he personally used a dangerous and deadly weapon,
00:08:03.500 that being a knife. These charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison without the possibility
00:08:11.460 parole or the death penalty. No decision at this point has been made with respect to the death penalty.
00:08:19.020 We have requested and currently Nick Reiner is being held without bail.
00:08:25.280 Hockman elaborating on what the special circumstances elevation means.
00:08:29.860 Special circumstances is a situation where one of the enumerated factors that lead to elevating in
00:08:38.520 some ways a first degree murder case to a special circumstance first degree murder case occurs.
00:08:43.960 One of those special circumstances is called multiple murders.
00:08:47.340 Here we have two, and it qualifies under the definition of multiple murders to allege the special
00:08:54.500 circumstance in this particular case.
00:08:57.520 High-profile criminal defense attorney Alan Jackson now representing Reiner, Jackson previously
00:09:02.960 serving as legal counsel for Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey, and Karen Reed, who was acquitted over the
00:09:09.320 summer after being charged with murdering her Massachusetts cop boyfriend.
00:09:13.220 New reporting bringing the timeline of the murders into sharper focus.
00:09:18.040 Nick tagging along with his parents on Saturday night to a holiday party hosted by Conan O'Brien.
00:09:24.560 Rob and Nick Reiner reportedly getting into a loud argument at the party, one of the attendees
00:09:29.480 telling the New York Times. Another guest reporting that people were worried about Nick's behavior,
00:09:35.220 saying he looked, quote, anxious and uncomfortable in a way that deeply unsettled them.
00:09:39.840 Around 4 a.m. early Sunday morning, TMZ reporting Nick checked into the Pierside Santa Monica Hotel,
00:09:47.420 about 15 minutes from the Reiner's Brentwood Mansion. According to eyewitnesses, Nick seemed,
00:09:53.180 quote, tweaked out, but there was no indication of a violent altercation.
00:09:57.880 Hotel staff later reportedly discovering the shower in Nick's room full of blood,
00:10:02.600 with more bloodstains on the bed and sheets covering his windows.
00:10:06.380 The Daily Mail reporting Rob and Michelle were found in their bed with their throats slit,
00:10:12.700 in addition to other stab wounds, possibly asleep when they were murdered.
00:10:17.400 The L.A. County DA's office announcing yesterday evening Nick's arraignment will be set for a later
00:10:22.500 date. Coming up, Australian officials linking the Bondi Beach shooters with ISIS. Was it the
00:10:30.400 multiple ISIS flags all over their car? Top Trump cabinet officials brief members of
00:10:36.340 Congress on those boat strikes, and love is in the air for a man named Trump will explain.
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00:11:46.040 Australian officials, including the Prime Minister, confirming the Bondi Beach shooters were inspired
00:11:51.520 by ISIS. 50-year-old father, Sajid Akram, and 24-year-old son, Naveed Akram, opening fire on a
00:11:59.620 Jewish celebration on the first night of Hanukkah, killing 15 people and injuring dozens more.
00:12:06.560 The elder killed by police in the shootout, the son, still in the hospital. New South Wales Police
00:12:12.320 Commissioner Mal Lanyon yesterday with new information on the rampage.
00:12:16.580 There has been reports in the news about our two offenders travelling to the Philippines last
00:12:21.560 month. I can confirm that they did travel to the Philippines. The reasons why they went to the
00:12:28.040 Philippines and the purpose of that and where they went when they were there is under investigation
00:12:33.460 at the moment. I also confirm that the vehicle which is registered to the younger male contained
00:12:41.020 IEDs, but I also confirm that it contained two homemade ISIS flags.
00:12:46.580 The New York Times reporting the shooters entering the Philippines on November 1st,
00:12:51.240 then departing on the 28th. Hearts of the Philippines are known hotbeds for ISIS training.
00:12:57.380 Authorities declining to share more details on their activity in the country, but ABC Australia
00:13:02.400 reporting officials do believe the pair received military-style training while on the trip.
00:13:08.140 Investigators for ASIO, an Australian intel agency, reportedly investigating the sun in 2019
00:13:14.920 for links to Islamic extremism, determining then he did not pose a threat.
00:13:22.580 Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Secretary of War Pete Hegseth yesterday providing lawmakers
00:13:28.260 with a closed-door briefing on the campaign to take out drug boats in the Caribbean Sea and
00:13:33.760 Pacific Ocean. Democrats railing against the strike since they began, their criticism intensifying
00:13:39.400 following reports that one strike left two survivors, who were then taken out in a second strike.
00:13:45.660 Unsurprisingly, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer saying he is not satisfied with the briefing,
00:13:50.820 a sentiment echoed by other Democrats throughout the day yesterday.
00:13:54.060 My demand of Secretary Hegseth in front of all hundred senators that he allow every senator to see the unedited
00:14:05.380 version, the unedited video of what happened on September 2nd. He refused. The administration came
00:14:14.100 to this briefing empty-handed. That's the major question that we face. And if they can't be transparent on
00:14:20.760 this, how can you trust their transparency on all the other issues swirling about in the Caribbean?
00:14:28.720 Secretary Hegseth telling reporters the full video remains classified and will not be released to the
00:14:33.860 public. But later today, the House and Senate Armed Services Committees will be able to view the video
00:14:39.400 as those members hold higher-level security clearances. Last night, President Trump increasing
00:14:44.800 pressure on Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro, posting to Truth Social, quote,
00:14:49.800 Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest armada ever assembled in the history of South
00:14:55.380 America. It will only get bigger, and the shock to them will be like nothing they have ever seen before
00:15:00.380 until such time as they return to the United States of America all of the oil, land, and other assets
00:15:07.420 that they previously stole from us. Huh? The full scope of that demand is not immediately clear,
00:15:14.560 though in 2007, Venezuela's government seized oil assets owned by foreign companies, including U.S.
00:15:20.700 companies like ExxonMobil, after they refused to give Venezuela's state-run oil company majority
00:15:25.960 control of their operations. Over on the House side, Speaker Mike Johnson describing the White House's
00:15:31.740 legal reasoning post the briefing. Pursuant to this constitutional authority and the law of armed
00:15:37.480 conflict, the president determined that the United States is in non-international armed conflict. That's
00:15:43.540 N-I-A-C, as the acronym is known. And that is with designated terrorist organizations and their affiliates
00:15:50.040 who have evolved into complex structures with financial means and parliamentary capabilities needed
00:15:56.820 to operate with impunity, engage in violence and terrorism. That presents a clear and present danger to the
00:16:03.020 security of America and threaten other nations in our hemisphere. I want to make this point very clear. Over the
00:16:08.980 last four years alone, America has lost more lives to drug overdoses and other drug-related deaths than we did to the
00:16:16.360 enemy actions in World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq combined. This is a serious problem that a
00:16:24.740 serious administration is addressing. It'll soon be wedding bells for Donald Trump Jr.
00:16:30.940 announcing his engagement to Bettina Anderson from the White House on Monday.
00:16:35.640 I just want to wish all of you guys an incredible holiday season, a Merry Christmas, a very happy new
00:16:40.680 year. And to thank Bettina for that one word, yes. When you go down there, it's like you're gonna go and
00:16:48.000 you're trying to ask and you're not sure what the answer is gonna be. It's almost a little bit rough,
00:16:51.360 but she said yes. This has really been the most unforgettable weekend of my life, and I get to
00:16:56.760 marry the love of my life, and I feel just like the luckiest girl in the world. Yes, one of America's
00:17:02.840 most eligible bachelors in love and now engaged to Palm Beach Socialite Anderson, the pair an item for
00:17:09.860 about a year and a half now, following Don Jr.'s breakup with former Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle
00:17:16.060 and a previous marriage to ex-wife and mother of his five children, Vanessa Trump. Having spent time
00:17:22.400 with both of them after our tour stop in Sugar Land, Texas, your humble correspondent can report
00:17:27.840 they make the perfect couple. Best wishes.
00:17:31.480 And that'll do it for your AM update. I'm Megan Kelly. Join me back here for the MK Show,
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