The Megyn Kelly Show - Prince Harry's New UK Grift, with Piers Morgan, Plus Ilhan Omar's Mysterious Millions, and the Amy Acton Mom Ad Drama ｜ Ep.1423

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.200 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.320 A lot to get to on this Wednesday, including the latest in the investigation into Congresswoman Ilhan Omar

00:00:20.960 with President Trump speaking out about it and Ilhan Omar speaking out too.

00:00:26.260 We'll also have a reporter who has covered her alleged financial misdeeds very closely.

00:00:31.880 But first, Prince Harry speaking out in his first interview since his move back home to the UK, claiming he really wants to reconcile with his family.

00:00:44.660 Watch.

00:00:45.320 You have talked about at times having a complicated relationship with your brother, your father.

00:00:51.100 Is that something that you grieve?

00:00:56.260 yeah yes of course i think from a family perspective again another massively relatable

00:01:03.160 issue for so many people that's partly probably why there's so much fascination in the

00:01:07.700 everybody's family everyone's family and then people maybe look at us and go how are you going

00:01:12.100 to work it out you know maybe that will help me work my stuff out and some people don't how are

00:01:16.160 you going to work it out well some people don't want it to work out i want it to work out you do

00:01:19.840 of course i do yeah is this wound something that you think you can repair yeah of course certainly

00:01:24.120 letting go of the past um that's something that i would encourage everybody to do if there's

00:01:30.940 certain things from the past that are still affecting your every day that's harder to let

00:01:34.300 go of but yeah i've for me it's um there's enough drama in the world and enough drama in in people's

00:01:41.940 lives um than to continue with issues with with family no sooner had he put that out then they

00:01:52.160 had to come out, his team, and clarify that he wasn't talking about his brother when he said

00:01:59.260 some people don't want to work it out. Joining me now to break it all down, our pal Piers Morgan.

00:02:04.520 He is the host of Piers Morgan Uncensored on YouTube and all podcast platforms.

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00:03:10.460 Piers, great to have you back.

00:03:12.400 What do you make of Harry's redemption tour? 0.99

00:03:15.460 He's just such a monumental, gigantic, hypocritical, dreadful little turd, as we would say in the UK. 0.99

00:03:24.180 Everything about him is cringe. 1.00

00:03:26.060 He's like he's just walked out of a therapy session where he talks about himself for eight hours.

00:03:30.440 And he genuinely thinks we all see him as some kind of enormous victim.

00:03:35.760 When in fact, I see him very squarely, and I think you share my view, as the perpetrator of all this stuff.

00:03:42.160 For five years, him and his wife have been yapping away about the royal family, about

00:03:46.800 Britain, about the monarchy, trashing all of their family members, from the Queen to

00:03:53.120 the now King, to his brother William, to Catherine.

00:03:56.840 And let's not forget, doing all this, while Prince Philip was dying, Queen Elizabeth was

00:04:02.380 dying, Charles then gets cancer, Catherine gets cancer, and nothing stopped these two.

00:04:08.440 and all that has stopped them and all that's changed is the american dream which they proudly

00:04:14.100 told us was going to be their rescue move away from this dreadful country of ours over here

00:04:19.540 has has gone belly up so the money's dried up netflix checks have stopped they've run out of

00:04:25.440 cash they've got all these outgoings so they've now slithered back to britain and they want us

00:04:30.160 all to pretend nothing's happened well sorry i'm afraid we've got longer memories than old amnesia

00:04:36.340 harry halfwhip what do you make of their fake royals tour that they're on because uh rob

00:04:43.760 shooter reporter um he has a substat called naughty but nice and he's got some royal sources

00:04:48.280 and he is reporting that they're thrilled with how their obviously fake little appearance the

00:04:54.880 other day went where they had a smattering of fans most of whom they seem to have orchestrated

00:05:00.260 uh their appearance there to make themselves look beloved his approval rating is the lowest

00:05:05.400 other than Prince Andrew and the royal family, and hers is even lower.

00:05:08.920 But they are reportedly thrilled with how the pictures came out,

00:05:13.240 and Rob is reporting they've got another six gigs lined up like this,

00:05:17.060 where they're parading around like they're still working members of the royal family.

00:05:21.260 Well, they're not, and I get a bigger crowd when I go to my local cafe in West London for a morning coffee.

00:05:26.460 I mean, if you saw the overhead shots, it's absolutely humiliating.

00:05:30.820 There's about literally 150 people there, right?

00:05:33.300 And like you say, they clearly bust a few of them in.

00:05:36.000 Most of the people you see in the group shots are media who were there because they thought 0.81

00:05:40.380 this was so ridiculous they had to cover it. 0.54

00:05:43.000 But the real problem here now is that when they're yapping away from California, that's 0.95

00:05:47.460 one thing.

00:05:48.340 It doesn't materially affect what the working royals, the actual working royals do in this

00:05:53.100 country.

00:05:53.780 But if you look at today's front pages, what they ought to be doing in this country is

00:05:58.880 reflecting what the actual royal family are doing, which is very important.

00:06:02.580 Today is the 60th anniversary of one of the worst natural disasters in the history of Britain.

00:06:09.000 And it's where 116 schoolchildren who were at school were killed by a landslide of coal waste,

00:06:17.800 which came down a hill, enveloped the school and killed them.

00:06:20.600 It was in Aberfan in Wales.

00:06:22.580 All the major royals are there today and they're paying due commemoration to this dreadful, dreadful thing. 0.98

00:06:29.460 but the front pages are all full of harry yapping away about his family being a hypocrite again 0.92

00:06:35.180 saying he didn't mean his brother when obviously he meant his brother and so on and this is the 0.96

00:06:39.400 thing he talks about not wanting drama he talks about wanting to move on he talks about you know

00:06:44.660 having a reset and so on but it's all because of him and ever since they've got back here we've had

00:06:49.640 more drama they put their kids into a school they move them out after two days from school

00:06:53.740 they complain about the paparazzi then they go and encourage a paparazzi to turn up at this

00:06:58.160 fake event they're having. They're trying to run a rival royal family, which you can do from

00:07:03.700 California and people here don't really care. When you do it in Britain, you are directly competing

00:07:10.360 for attention that the actual royal family need and work for on a daily basis. So this is very

00:07:16.860 damaging what they're now doing. And I think the king should step in. He's already made it clear

00:07:21.980 in a statement to the Lord Chamberlain's office that they are not working royals and shouldn't

00:07:26.500 be treated as such. But there's now a precedent, Megan, for removing titles from royals who behave

00:07:32.320 badly. We saw it with former Prince Andrew, now Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. I think the king

00:07:37.100 should now say, right, if you want to go and do this, fine. You're not doing it under the titles

00:07:42.240 bestowed on you by the royal family and the monarchy. You're doing it as regular Joe citizens,

00:07:47.620 then see how they get on. Yeah. I mean, the report, Rob Schroeder's report says he doesn't

00:07:53.200 care he it's fine william and kate could be seen with tom cruise his new goal like his mother is

00:07:59.900 to be the people's prince that he's gonna follow in diana's shoes and win the people over but i

00:08:05.720 mean that completely misunderstands why diana was so beloved and also his own relationship with the

00:08:15.200 press and the people yeah and just be clear when he talks about having a better relationship with

00:08:20.120 the press now because we've all moved on actually what's just happened he recently lost you may

00:08:25.120 recall a gigantic court case where he and a number of other celebrities took on uh the daily mail

00:08:31.940 newspaper and the daily mail won and there are up to 30 40 million pounds worth of damages to be paid

00:08:38.920 and harry's going to have to stump up we don't know how much of that he'll have to pay but millions

00:08:43.260 and so the reset has been forced on him because he didn't win that case and i think that's a very

00:08:49.400 important thing to remind people as he talks about wanting a better relationship with the press

00:08:53.960 he's the one who's been suing all the press he sues at the drop of a hat how is how is how is

00:08:58.960 he going to be the people's prince the way diana was princess when like she got a divorce from

00:09:04.800 a husband who was not faithful to her so she had some sympathy from the british people he's calling

00:09:10.920 the british people a bunch of racists who hated his wife and drove them out if you voted for

00:09:16.060 brexit you were a racist bigot according to him now he wants to waltz back into the country that 0.94

00:09:21.080 he said he had to flee because they were all so awful and he wants to be the people's prince how 0.86

00:09:25.920 and he apparently is so unsafe he couldn't possibly bring his family here then he suddenly

00:09:30.500 brings them all back overnight and then they're appearing at these events they're now doing with

00:09:35.900 loads of people from the public albeit not that big a load um and everything is late everything

00:09:42.280 is laced with hypocrisy. Diana never trashed the monarchy or the queen. She was very, very careful 0.95

00:09:49.100 in her critiques about what she did. She went and did her own thing, but she was always talking up

00:09:54.080 the country and she never trashed the royal family. What you're seeing here is a couple who

00:09:59.900 have spent five years doing nothing but trash the royal family. That's why the royal family don't

00:10:04.600 trust them. They don't want them anywhere near them. You know, this idea I'm reading that they

00:10:08.180 may be up at Sandringham for the Christmas with the royal family. Forget it. You and I have got

00:10:13.280 more chance of being there, Megan. We would make actually delightful guests. I think the king

00:10:19.620 would quite like it, actually. No, you mentioned the comments about journalism. Here's Harry. I

00:10:26.480 mean, the way he's talking about himself here is so delusional, Pierce. But here he is in stop

00:10:32.100 four on journalism. I find it is fascinating because everybody else is allowed to tell their

00:10:37.940 version of my story but god forbid i should should be able to tell the other side of it i find myself

00:10:45.760 in a very interesting place 42 years old where growing up i was surrounded by some of the worst

00:10:53.340 forms of journalism yes and yet here i am 42 years old doing the best that i can do everything i can

00:11:00.000 to try to uplift and support journalism because of the experience that i've had growing up where

00:11:06.220 i'll be damned if you guys who pretend to be journalists are going to drag this whole 0.99

00:11:13.220 profession down the drain oh my gosh he's so full of crap the guy is just so full of crap honestly 1.00

00:11:22.820 grade a weapons grade crap honestly the hypocrisy all he does is run around suing the media i'll 1.00

00:11:30.120 be damned if i'm gonna let let you people draw pull down this lauded profession of journalism 1.00

00:11:36.160 He hates journalists. 0.99

00:11:37.200 Of course he does.

00:11:37.820 He actually only likes the ones who write nice things about him.

00:11:40.400 But is there somebody who has sued the media more than these two grifters? 1.00

00:11:43.880 No, no, absolutely not. 0.82

00:11:44.740 And of course, they always sue while simultaneously doing all the things themselves that they're

00:11:49.520 complaining about.

00:11:50.220 So he does a kiss and tell book revealing all sorts of incredibly intimate secrets of

00:11:55.700 the royal family while suing newspapers for revealing secrets about the royal family. 0.99

00:12:00.940 And he doesn't seem to understand, but this makes him like a shocking hypocrite. 0.78

00:12:04.720 And, you know, the best advice I ever had from any of the royals about how to exist as a popular, beloved royal was the late great Queen Mother, who was Queen Elizabeth's mother. 0.91

00:12:15.740 And she lived to 101, and she had a mantra, which was never complain, never explain, and rarely be heard speaking in public.

00:12:23.060 That strikes me as still a very, very good template to be a popular royal.

00:12:27.620 It's one that King Charles does, Camilla does, William does, Catherine does.

00:12:32.720 They don't speak very much.

00:12:34.220 When they do, it's very carefully thought through.

00:12:36.440 They support huge numbers of charities.

00:12:38.800 They do diligent duty on a daily, weekly basis, week in, week out, month in, month out.

00:12:45.720 And as a result, they're very popular.

00:12:48.060 These two grifters, everyone sees through them.

00:12:50.580 They're constantly on the make.

00:12:52.200 They're constantly on the take. 1.00

00:12:53.880 They're fakes, and they're hypocrites. 0.99

00:12:56.060 And people have seen through it. 1.00

00:12:57.440 That's why their poll numbers are so disastrous.

00:12:59.580 And if they're going to try and run a rival royal operation on these shores in this country, it is going to go very badly down with the public, I can tell you.

00:13:09.540 Last one on these two. He gives his reason on why they moved back to the UK in this GQ interview. Here's what he said, Satwan.

00:13:16.460 You just moved back to the UK? How come?

00:13:18.820 opportunities

00:13:22.480 for the family

00:13:26.200 being able to put the kids in a British school

00:13:28.580 has meant a lot to me

00:13:31.040 I didn't know how

00:13:33.080 important it was to me, I always thought it was going to be something

00:13:35.020 that I would try and do or that we would try and do

00:13:36.860 but now they've been in school for

00:13:39.020 two weeks

00:13:40.140 they're loving it and it's just

00:13:43.000 giving them a whole different experience

00:13:44.440 don't worry I'm not criticising American schools

00:13:46.760 But I think for kids of seven and five, to be able to have that comparison and to have two completely different cultural experiences is so important today.

00:13:55.480 But, yeah, to be back closer to my family and to be back on UK soil for longer than a few days or a week here or there, you know.

00:14:06.720 Okay.

00:14:07.780 So, first of all, let me tell you exactly what happened to them at their Montecito schools, which I guarantee was the real reason they didn't like it out there.

00:14:16.220 They weren't the most famous or the most powerful or anything special whatsoever.

00:14:22.480 That's where the billionaire class lives. 0.99

00:14:25.220 He would have been like a pimple on the ass in that group, Piers. 0.99

00:14:30.060 And I'm sure he couldn't stand it that neither he nor his children were special out there. 0.99

00:14:35.060 But how about the, OK, opportunities for my family?

00:14:38.040 What exactly?

00:14:38.920 Because I had Ari Emanuel on here two Fridays ago saying there was nothing. 0.98

00:14:44.340 He had nothing to list about what Meghan Markle is nailing or getting offers on.

00:14:49.780 And secondly, he wanted to be back closer to his family.

00:14:53.960 Like who?

00:14:54.940 Who specifically?

00:14:55.920 Exactly.

00:14:56.420 Well, let's have names, shall we, of this family, because all the family members I know

00:15:00.160 who I've spoken to through intermediaries, none of them want them to do with them.

00:15:04.540 They don't want them to do with them.

00:15:05.440 It's a complete myth.

00:15:06.580 He hasn't come back for any of those reasons.

00:15:08.460 He's come back because the money in America has dried up and their outgoings are huge.

00:15:13.440 And so they've got to try and get back in the proximity of the actual royal family to remind everybody that they are royal too.

00:15:20.700 Therefore, you should pay us loads of money.

00:15:22.560 That's what this is all about.

00:15:24.340 And I see right through it, as do most people in this country.

00:15:28.460 And if we could do a deal, Megan, before the end of this interview where you agree to take them back, we'd be very grateful.

00:15:35.020 Oh, no.

00:15:35.860 We already got saddled with them for six years.

00:15:38.140 We have paid our penance.

00:15:39.220 Now, speaking of the royals, you have a lawsuit going against Charles Spencer, Carlos, Diana's brother, who wrote this book in September about the royal family and how terribly they treated her, etc., allegedly.

00:15:54.920 And he smeared you with defamatory lies, which you filed a lawsuit over, saying this book should be pulled off of the shelves immediately.

00:16:03.800 He's absolutely defamed you.

00:16:05.700 Where does that stand?

00:16:06.600 Well, it's interesting.

00:16:07.480 So, so far, I mean, what happened, just simply for your viewers, is he accused me of perpetrating the most egregious invasion of privacy in Princess Diana's life, which led to a million pound payout by the Mirror Group.

00:16:21.480 The problem was it all happened in 1993, two years before I joined the Mirror Group.

00:16:27.020 So it had nothing to do with me.

00:16:28.580 And he did several pages of the book on this.

00:16:30.880 And then he used it as an explanation for another whopper, he told, which is that when he uninvited all the newspaper editors from Diana's funeral, after we'd been formally invited and had accepted invitations, he did that purely so he could then leak it to the media and have, you know, tabloid editors uninvited from funeral.

00:16:49.720 so he got his uh his uh his egregious against us done that way but he said that in that phone

00:16:56.360 conversation when he called me i was really offhand and surly with him because of the history

00:17:01.880 that i had with diana over this payout it had nothing to do with me so the whole thing was

00:17:07.460 bullshit so he knew he'd done something very bad he immediately did a groveling apology to me

00:17:14.040 the publishers have agreed to remove it from further issues but what we're talking about now 0.94

00:17:19.140 is what they're going to do to compensate me for the inaccuracies they've put in.

00:17:24.740 Now, the slight complication here is it has been brought to my attention,

00:17:28.940 Megan, that far from damaging my reputation,

00:17:31.560 this has actually enhanced my reputation,

00:17:33.780 not just with the public, but with the royal family.

00:17:35.820 I'm told the king himself is particularly pleased with me

00:17:39.360 because it managed to mean that on the day of publication of his book,

00:17:42.660 where he made all these terrible claims against the king,

00:17:45.140 which I don't believe either,

00:17:46.080 everyone was leading on the news of his apology to me.

00:17:49.780 So it may be I sort of park the lawsuit

00:17:52.420 but get a knighthood

00:17:53.360 and you'll be calling me Sir Pears.

00:17:55.900 We are going to Sandrigan.

00:17:58.160 It's settled.

00:18:00.100 I forgot all about that in.

00:18:02.840 I mean, I haven't done anything like that

00:18:05.060 for the royal family,

00:18:05.840 but I have had many sparkling conversations about them

00:18:08.480 that I think they would appreciate.

00:18:10.240 Okay, so enough about the two grifters

00:18:12.620 and the grifter brother of Diana.

00:18:16.080 You had on an American politician named Jamie West, who was everywhere last week, as an Indiana Democrat who was clearly drunk in an interview she gave in connection with her countywide race.

00:18:30.100 So this is such a Piers Morgan booking. I love it. I love that you get these people that you would think to like, let's book her. I want to ask her about her drunkenness.

00:18:37.300 You did and got her to admit to it. Here's Sot 8. So fun. 0.71

00:18:41.720 a lot of people assumed you might have had a drink before you did that uh interview did you

00:18:48.060 i had a course light i had a beer what one beer i mean maybe a couple how many beers did you have

00:18:58.200 i was nervous okay i get it i was going with the republicans we've all had a drink when we're

00:19:05.660 nervous but just to be clear it's called a kick jamie here's your chance to be completely honest

00:19:10.720 and transparent how many beers did you have all right three three beers okay well it's

00:19:18.100 it's trebled in the last 30 seconds um so do you say man i had three beers okay okay so do

00:19:25.440 you accept you may have been a little intoxicated

00:19:27.680 not that intoxicated but i do know what i'm talking about okay pierce it was clear she

00:19:39.460 had had a few more in advance of her interview with you i think she had i don't believe it was

00:19:44.460 only three the first time either i think if i carried on asking it would have doubled and

00:19:48.240 trebled a couple more times so look she's an extraordinary character i mean you've got to say

00:19:53.780 that the these elections at local level like that they throw up the most remarkable characters we

00:19:58.980 have the same thing in this country and they kind of you know what they kind of add to the

00:20:03.000 gaiety of the world don't they i mean she's got no chance i would think of winning but

00:20:07.280 is extraordinary. They do add to the gaiety of the world. I mean, she's no different from Kamala

00:20:14.380 Harris, to be honest. It's just she owned it. Well, I found her marginally more coherent than

00:20:20.000 Kamala Harris. So let me ask you about the upcoming elections, which are all the buzz over

00:20:25.600 here. You obviously know a ton about America. You spent a ton of time here. You had a whole

00:20:29.880 show on CNN primetime for years. The midterms right now, you know, if you if you go by the

00:20:35.900 generic ballot or the latest polls, they don't look good for Republicans. The Republican defense

00:20:40.280 is that they always perform better on election day than the polls suggest and that all these

00:20:45.480 Senate races are within three points. So that tends to be the margin by which they outperform

00:20:51.280 their polls. So it really is anybody's race. We don't know what's going to happen on election day,

00:20:56.940 but I do think that the Republican defenders are deluding themselves about why so many

00:21:03.940 Republicans and independents are fed up with them. I know you've been covering some of it.

00:21:09.940 Your thoughts on where the electorate is right now and some of those issues?

00:21:13.700 Well, I think you're right to have some caution about reading the polls because they've been

00:21:17.940 wrong pretty much all the time about Trump. You know, I remember in 2016 when nobody in

00:21:22.180 the polling world thought he had a chance and he ended up winning. So you've got to be careful,

00:21:27.620 I think. But I do sense there is going to be a blue wave here. And I think they're definitely

00:21:33.040 going to lose the House and they may well lose the Senate. And if they do, it will be entirely

00:21:38.840 self-inflicted. This is the most baffling part of Donald Trump Mark II, since he won the presidency

00:21:44.660 again, is that he started so well, you know, he shut the border, he stopped all that illegal

00:21:50.420 immigration pretty much overnight. It was a remarkable achievement. If people were just

00:21:54.540 voting on that, I think he would win quite comfortably with Republicans in these midterms.

00:21:59.060 but instead he did a number of things which seemed to fly in the face of all the things he

00:22:03.780 campaigned about uh you know he wasn't transparent about opening up all the epstein files as he said

00:22:09.400 he would be he invaded a middle eastern country attacked iran having said repeatedly i don't want

00:22:15.360 to do that we've wasted too much time and money and people by doing this in the past we won't be

00:22:20.760 doing that um and so you look at it and you think how does that square with america first we're

00:22:26.140 getting prices down at the pump, getting inflation down, everything to do with all the stuff he's

00:22:31.800 done this year has been, to me, self-defeating. And I'm sure if he had a do-over again, he would

00:22:37.180 not get sucked into this war in Iran, because I think ultimately, if they do lose both houses

00:22:43.600 of Congress, it will be a self-inflicted wound from a terrible decision. He's now trying to get

00:22:50.900 diesel fuel over here from the Russians, who he's lifting sanctions on just months after he imposed

00:22:55.820 them. It's awful, isn't it? I mean. But that's not even our problem. You know what I mean?

00:23:00.480 Like that's not what's causing the Ukraine war is not causing our economic problems.

00:23:04.800 Nothing to do with it. The diesel prices, the gas prices issue is entirely because of the war in

00:23:10.800 Iran and the fact the Iranian regime, far from falling, now has complete control of the Strait

00:23:16.200 of Hormuz. And that has 20 percent of the world's energy coming through it. And every time America

00:23:20.520 threatens to attack them, they attack one of the Gulf state neighbors. And so it's been going on

00:23:24.600 now all year. And it's just gone very, very badly. I think if you're Donald Trump, he can pretend it

00:23:30.940 hasn't, but it clearly has. And he's had a knock on effect on the cost of living for the average

00:23:36.020 American. And I think if you're a farmer in America, you're feeling pretty disillusioned

00:23:40.400 and pretty, pretty betrayed right now, nevermind other sections of the communities. And so I think

00:23:45.720 Donald Trump, he won't admit it, he'll never admit it. But I think if he had his time again,

00:23:50.040 he wouldn't have let Bibi Netanyahu suck him into this war, as I think happened with Iran, 0.71

00:23:55.560 because all the knock-on effect on America first, cost of living, diesel prices, and so on has been 0.52

00:24:01.260 a direct consequence of that one decision. Completely agree. And yet he was out there

00:24:07.340 endorsing Netanyahu last week, like in this election that Netanyahu is facing. And then

00:24:14.340 Our pal Mark Halperin gave J.D. Vance the vial of plutonium and said, would you like to handle

00:24:20.100 this without gloves on in the following exchange? Sot 10. I normally don't ask yes, no questions,

00:24:26.620 but I'm going to ask you two and try to hold you to net yes, no. Over the weekend, the president

00:24:30.320 endorsed Benjamin Netanyahu for re-election in Israel. Do you endorse Benjamin Netanyahu?

00:24:36.580 The president has the most effective endorsement in American or international political history.

00:24:42.700 I endorse American candidates and that's where I'm focused on is the midterm. So I'm not getting

00:24:47.660 involved in the Israeli election. So, so, so you're not, you don't want to say one way or the

00:24:51.800 other, whether you, I'm not anti endorsing him. I'm not pro endorsing him. I'm not getting involved

00:24:55.480 in Israeli elections. Right. Okay. Very smart. Get out of balance out immediately. There was

00:25:02.180 no great way out of that for JD Vance, but I thought he handled it deftly. But what do you

00:25:06.740 make of it? Because over here, there's a real question about whether JD's going to be able

00:25:10.980 to effectively take the Trump baton, given that he hasn't stood up more forcefully to his boss

00:25:18.740 on the issue of Israel? Well, it's very tough, isn't it? I think if you are the vice president

00:25:23.280 to Donald Trump and you deviate away from him in public, you're not going to be in that position

00:25:27.440 much longer. We all know how Trump operates. He likes complete loyalty. And some people like that

00:25:33.000 about him. They think, you know, all of his administration were disloyal first time around.

00:25:37.080 this time they've been markedly more loyal as a group. And that's because Trump has demanded they

00:25:42.500 are when he gives them the job. So it's hard for J.D. Vance. So I think a lot will depend on the

00:25:46.480 midterms. If the Republicans do lose the House and the Senate, then Trump, whether he likes it or not,

00:25:52.760 will become a lame duck president. That will drive him nuts. He'll only have executive orders really 0.65

00:25:57.260 to operate with. And it could get very unpredictable and quite dangerous, actually,

00:26:02.980 I think, in the next two years if that happens. So it's going to be very interesting to see how

00:26:06.940 this all plays out. I just, when I see Donald Trump announcing a diesel deal with Vladimir Putin

00:26:13.320 and ignoring a new sanctions on the Russians, which his great friend Lindsey Graham had

00:26:19.660 painstakingly worked towards and was going to be implemented and had just come in two weeks before,

00:26:24.840 I can't imagine that the average American Republican voter is remotely happy with that.

00:26:31.420 Why would they be? Russia is the enemy of the United States. They're not friends. They're not

00:26:36.840 to be trusted. You can have an argument about whether America should or shouldn't be getting

00:26:41.160 heavily involved in helping Ukraine defeat the Russians. That's perfectly legitimate. And a lot 1.00

00:26:46.120 of Republicans I speak to are split on that. Some think they should, some think they shouldn't.

00:26:50.000 It's a perfectly legitimate agreement. But to be sucking up to Vladimir Putin with diesel deals,

00:26:55.420 to then have today Steve Wyckoff talking about Putin to his face as being a great humanitarian,

00:27:00.520 in. Don't make me puke. The guy is a ruthless dictator. Last question. You said something

00:27:07.400 recently about politics tilting on its axis, that historic alliances are at a breaking point.

00:27:17.520 I feel that too, but I hadn't articulated it in that way. Can you expand on it, Pierce?

00:27:21.580 Yeah. I mean, I look at the conservative movement in America. I look at people like you

00:27:25.700 and tucker carlson candace owens others all in your own way different but i look at the way

00:27:32.160 you're viewing things like the iran war like the epstein files and so on and there's a lot of

00:27:38.480 common ground now between people on the right like yourselves and people on the left who would agree

00:27:44.880 with you and so you're seeing people coming together would normally be very uneasy bedfellows

00:27:49.660 but they're being drawn on these specific issues and you're seeing a real split i think in the

00:27:55.080 conservative right and the really interesting question i think and you're seeing by the way

00:27:58.980 the same thing on the left with the rise of a democratic socialist and the more moderate

00:28:03.480 democrats you know they've got the same issue here which way do you go and i think the really

00:28:08.360 interesting fallout from the midterms depending what happens will be which way the conservative

00:28:13.140 right movement moves towards the 2028 election what kind of candidate do they want to represent

00:28:19.760 the conservative right are they going to start listening more to people like you who i suspect

00:28:24.760 reflect the views of the average Republican voter a lot more than a lot of the decisions that Donald

00:28:31.100 Trump's administration had been taking this year so it's going to be really really interesting

00:28:34.740 I think for the Republicans but also the Democrats post the midterms what do they do about the rise

00:28:41.180 of the Democrat socialists right are they going to move that way or are they going to move more

00:28:45.560 to a moderate candidate for the 2020 election you know I could you see a situation where AOC

00:28:50.900 is their nominee. It's potentially possible. So I think that on both sides, it's really

00:28:57.200 interesting to me, both split down the middle now ideologically, and you're seeing a convergence

00:29:01.660 between people on the left and right, which I never thought I'd see.

00:29:06.000 Yeah. Historical alliances are at a breaking point. Well said. As always, Pierce, great to see you.

00:29:11.380 Thanks so much for being here.

00:29:12.460 My pleasure, Megan. Great to see you.

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00:30:10.720 let's get into some other stories beginning with the latest from ohio yesterday we told you about

00:30:20.100 the big controversy involving the political ad featuring the mother of democratic gubernatorial

00:30:26.380 nominee amy acton uh okay so the the mother has appeared in this ad attacking her daughter

00:30:35.360 as a liar. And by the way, we reported yesterday that we believed the Vivek Ramaswamy campaign was

00:30:42.820 not behind the ad, that it was a super PAC ad. Well, it wasn't an ad at all yet yesterday. It was

00:30:50.160 a possible ad that was sent out via text to certain conservative influencers and others,

00:30:58.140 not yours truly, um, seeking like feedback. And it turned out that was from Vivek Ramaswamy. So

00:31:06.800 his campaign was behind the ad. Um, here's Amy Acton's response, uh, that came out after our

00:31:14.640 show got off the air. I won't normalize somebody who has said that my childhood is something I'm

00:31:20.260 just complaining about who today just released an ad using my birth mother who I was removed from

00:31:26.820 at the age of 12 for severe abuse and neglect and sexual abuse my brother and I were removed

00:31:33.800 I just can't normalize somebody who calls me things like a socialist which I am not

00:31:39.120 and then follows that statement by saying the second amendment was made for times like these

00:31:45.260 to eradicate socialism to get rid of socialists that's what I am made for the words are leaders

00:31:52.200 use matter. And I think it's going to take courage right now from all of us to stop normalizing

00:31:59.500 this sort of rhetoric. People need to see that this is a pattern. It was a pattern in the

00:32:06.360 presidential debates. You know, I remember Chris Christie going at it with him. I remember Nikki

00:32:11.820 Haley because he was such a liar and he was attacking Nikki Haley's 14-year-old daughter 0.95

00:32:17.460 on air during presidential debates why does she always sound drunk she's like got some sort of a 0.97

00:32:25.500 slurring or speech impediment or other issue obviously democrats and even some republicans

00:32:32.860 i mean you know the crew you know you know the ones were outraged by the ad featuring acton's

00:32:39.980 mother because Acton was removed from her mother's home at the age of 12 after she as a 12 year old

00:32:47.920 made allegations of sexual abuse by her stepfather, her mother's husband. Acton's mother stood by that

00:32:55.780 husband, despite the fact that he was reportedly arrested and charged with rape based on Amy's

00:33:02.560 testimonial. And he ultimately fled the state, moving to Pennsylvania. Now, an earlier account

00:33:09.620 of this whole matter when Amy Acton was a child, because the mother spoke to a different group back

00:33:17.360 in 2020, and the mother's half of the story was in that account. The mother claims that he was

00:33:24.740 indicted, that she, the mother, was never indicted, and the mother claimed that they were advised by

00:33:30.220 a lawyer to move out of the state, and they did to Pennsylvania until things settled down. We

00:33:36.920 still cannot find any record that a criminal prosecution ever actually happened. And to be

00:33:43.320 honest, I'm confused by that because you don't avoid criminal charges in the United States of

00:33:49.200 America by moving from one state to another. That's not a thing. It's not like he moved to

00:33:55.840 Iran, which doesn't extradite to America. Like, I don't know what happened, but she definitely 1.00

00:34:01.340 made the allegation. He was indicted and charged and then moved out of the state. And that, as far

00:34:08.120 as I can tell, seems to have been the end of the criminal matter. Very odd. The Acton campaign

00:34:14.520 seemed more than ready for her mother's comments. Again, she'd made them publicly already back in

00:34:20.940 2020 because yesterday they promptly put out an ad of their own featuring Amy Acton's brother.

00:34:26.960 i received a lot of abuse but amy always got the worst of it she continued to receive that abuse

00:34:36.660 because she knew she had to protect me from from that and and that if she hadn't done that

00:34:42.500 who knows where i would have ended up and she's 11 and 12 years old and to think that that's

00:34:48.800 somehow a talking point shame on vivek it's the contempt he has for amy is the contempt he has

00:34:54.080 for Ohio. He's not fit to lead. Vivek, meantime, not only owning the production of the ad,

00:35:03.380 but now standing behind it saying that he will be spending millions to air it during the final

00:35:09.280 weeks before Election Day. Here's what he had to say last night. It is an ad from our campaign.

00:35:15.380 And the thing that I want to say is that I would love for this race in this election

00:35:21.600 to be about the substantive issues that impact Ohioans.

00:35:26.680 And unfortunately, Amy Acton has been hiding from those issues.

00:35:31.120 She won't debate me.

00:35:32.380 She doesn't allow cameras at her events.

00:35:34.920 Every person who appears to know her the best,

00:35:38.280 her former boss, her former colleagues in state government,

00:35:42.320 even the doctors of this state, the Ohio State Medical Association,

00:35:46.020 have told voters not to vote for her but to vote for me instead.

00:35:49.300 This is part of a pattern of someone else who appears to know her well, who says the same thing.

00:35:54.200 And I do think that it's important for voters to take all of that into account, especially because Amy Acton has hid from debate and ducked questions.

00:36:05.280 On Kelsey, there's a lot of trading happening in the race since the ad broke yesterday morning.

00:36:09.760 Acton is actually up 7 percent since the ad hit.

00:36:13.360 She now has a 77 percent chance to win compared to 23 percent for Vivek.

00:36:18.100 One month ago, she had a 57% chance to win with Vivek at a 43% chance, but her odds have been going up ever since then.

00:36:27.400 So she went up 7% additionally yesterday, but she'd been making up that difference between 53% and 70% over the past month or so.

00:36:36.940 And Vivek was actually favored as recently as July.

00:36:41.220 Okay, but now what's going to happen in the final two weeks now that Vivek is putting millions behind this ad?

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00:37:01.480 So a little bit more on this backstory.

00:37:04.400 The mother, Donna, spoke with this group, Operation Rescue, in Ohio back in 2020.

00:37:13.440 OK, and this group was taking issue with her as the Department of Health executive director and whether she was fit for office.

00:37:26.480 They were alleging that she had protected a late term abortionist in Ohio and that she had been misstating facts about her past.

00:37:37.200 And they found Donna, the mother, and interviewed her.

00:37:41.300 I don't know where Donna is now. I'm not sure where the Vivek campaign tracked her down or

00:37:47.560 where she's living. But what Donna told Operation Rescue in this interview was that she had a first

00:37:54.580 husband that was Amy's and the brother's dad, that that husband was abusive toward Donna,

00:38:01.240 toward the mom, that he would beat the hell out of her. And she divorced him. That the children 0.81

00:38:07.520 continue to see that abusive ex-husband of hers, not abusive toward them as far as I read anyway,

00:38:13.960 but abusive toward their mom, Donna. And they continue to go to see him. And she alleges that

00:38:20.140 this guy poisoned the well with the children, that there was an earlier allegation against her

00:38:27.380 second husband, the guy who's been accused by Amy. And this article describes, clearly they got it 0.94

00:38:35.220 from her, that allegation as unfounded. They write, finally, when Amy was 12, she accused

00:38:41.220 Donna's husband, Bud, of raping her. Apparently, Bud had a daughter from a previous marriage that

00:38:46.720 had earlier made similar unfounded claims. That's what they write. Clearly, they got that from her.

00:38:53.120 It is possible that this and suggestions made by her father gave Amy the idea for making that

00:38:58.860 particular accusation. Clearly, this is the mother's rebuttal. She doesn't believe the

00:39:03.640 daughter's accusation. She believes that the daughter had been poisoned by her ex-husband

00:39:08.740 against both Donna and the new husband. And Donna did not side with Amy when the accusation took

00:39:17.120 place. There was a grand jury investigation. Amy was called to testify, reading from this Operation

00:39:22.260 Rescue piece. Donna had gone to court that day to support her husband. She was never personally

00:39:27.580 accused or charged with any crime, they report. There are two accounts of what happened when Amy

00:39:32.060 came out of the grand jury room. Acton has claimed, there's just no mystery she was estranged from this

00:39:37.660 mom, that she went to kiss her mother, but her mother turned away from her. Donna claims she

00:39:42.640 was surprised to see Amy with a new haircut and wearing an outfit that seemed to be not age

00:39:47.960 appropriate for a 12-year-old. As Amy came out of the grand jury room, Donna called to her daughter,

00:39:53.080 but Amy turned and went to her father. Instead, it was the last time Donna would ever see her

00:39:58.440 daughter. She also, in this piece, takes issue, the mother Donna does, with Amy's backstory as

00:40:06.880 she had been telling it to the Ohio electorate back then, saying that these claims that she was

00:40:13.980 in 18 different homes and that she was homeless for a period and living in a tent over one winter

00:40:21.900 and often did not have food to eat were all lies.

00:40:26.080 That is what the mother alleged. 0.99

00:40:28.800 She said she kept a roof over Amy's head.

00:40:32.600 She was never hungry,

00:40:34.400 that the mother has a couple of advanced degrees

00:40:37.000 and did not have trouble putting food on the table.

00:40:40.700 She was a single mom for six or seven years.

00:40:43.700 She insisted that they were never homeless.

00:40:45.920 They always had food to eat and she always paid her bills.

00:40:48.700 Instead of living in 18 different locations,

00:40:51.420 Donna told the outlet there were four different homes over the years.

00:40:55.440 Then when she married the second husband, Bud, there were two more moves after that.

00:40:59.440 So a total of six, not 18.

00:41:02.660 As Amy says, she disputes the business about living in a tent and so on, though the brother

00:41:07.760 seems to be backing Amy.

00:41:10.580 So that's how we got here.

00:41:12.400 Okay, that's how we got here.

00:41:13.480 Uh, and now you have the collective left absolutely melting down about this ad.

00:41:21.560 Um, and as if this ad is so far beyond the pale because it's a mother calling the daughter

00:41:28.920 a liar and it doesn't obviously front the backstory that that daughter had accused that

00:41:35.660 mother's second husband of molesting her and the mother chose to side with the husband.

00:41:40.360 OK, look, I don't know what happened when Amy Acton was 12.

00:41:46.040 What I do know is that as an adult, she has been an emotionally unregulated mess.

00:41:52.400 The in-depth report by the Washington Examiner reveals this person as tissue paper thin when it comes to her emotional management,

00:42:03.020 literally in the fetal position, crying regularly during her management of the pandemic response

00:42:11.000 in Ohio, unable to go out in front of a small group and read a pre-prepared for her written

00:42:18.280 statement because she was so paralyzed with fear, regularly seen crying in the halls of her office.

00:42:25.840 Her campaign has since denied all this, but the Washington Examiner found multiple

00:42:29.760 former staffers and non-partisans who were telling these stories about her,

00:42:35.660 all the crying and so on. Not one, but two police visits to her home 2013 and 2019

00:42:42.920 for some sort of domestic disturbance. In 2013, it was her teenage daughter who called the cops

00:42:50.420 there. In 2019, we don't know who called, but she was allegedly, according to the police,

00:42:56.580 in some sort of an altercation with the husband that led Amy to rip down a mirror off the wall

00:43:04.340 and smash it onto the ground. They said she was taking prescription medication and had been

00:43:09.360 drinking, that that was clear to them, that there was a push to get her to go to the hospital,

00:43:13.880 but she refused. Her campaign leader said, oh, she only had one drink. She'd been on the

00:43:18.480 prescription medication for whatever it was for a long time. She just bumped into the mirror and

00:43:22.860 it fell. Okay. So this person, she's got a troubled history. That's obvious. And even in 0.91

00:43:30.580 this campaign, her campaign overstated what happened to her at this event when this dangerous

00:43:35.380 man lunged at her in an event. There's no proof of that. He didn't really get anywhere near her.

00:43:41.920 And his approach led to a couple of older people being knocked around, which is when the authorities

00:43:50.160 stopped him. And the police then said that Amy Acton ghosted them when they sought follow-up

00:43:57.600 about exactly what happened, what her reaction was, so on. And then the prosecutor in the case

00:44:02.560 came out to say, I'm sorry, but these are not felonies. This is at best a couple of misdemeanors

00:44:07.620 and that's what this case is going to be. So that's who Amy Acton is. Now, as for the drama

00:44:15.540 around the ad. I want to tell all of the naysayers, and I have nothing to do with this ad,

00:44:21.740 and I have nothing to do with this campaign. I know Vivek a bit, and obviously I'm rooting for

00:44:25.560 him over her, but that's it. Please spare me. Spare me your fake outrage, you leftists and

00:44:35.920 milquetoast Republicans who are pretending that this is the worst thing that you have ever seen.

00:44:40.940 because some of you must have closed your eyes during the Trump presidency and the Trump runs

00:44:48.640 for presidency. I mean, it is absolutely outrageous what has been unleashed against him.

00:44:56.060 And many of these same leftist critics had no problem with the most below the belt ads you

00:45:04.480 could possibly make against him. Here's just one E. Jean Carroll in 2024.

00:45:10.940 It's not 32.

00:45:12.140 there's no excuse for sexual assault and abuse unless i don't even know you're republican

00:45:21.940 donald trump supporting donald trump sends a message to every abuser

00:45:29.740 every rapist and every man who's ever used his power to hurt a woman

00:45:39.120 because if he can do it why shouldn't they okay so stop just just stop look i i don't believe

00:45:51.520 your faux outrage and you my distinguished audience friends know very well this is what

00:45:58.860 is done in the last two weeks before a campaign somebody like vivek who is apparently pulling

00:46:04.400 behind. I don't think he would have dropped this ad if he weren't. Does something like a swing,

00:46:09.300 a massive swing to try to change the trajectory of the race. And then the other side purports to

00:46:17.560 be horrified, horrified at the below the belt electoral effort. It's just so upsetting.

00:46:25.240 It's beneath contempt. Oh, please stop it. I don't remember you saying that about the E. Jean Carroll

00:46:31.720 I'll add. Or what about this one? Remember this one by John Kelly, Trump's former chief of staff,

00:46:38.160 SOP 33. This is also in 2024. Do you think he's a fascist?

00:46:42.400 He certainly falls into the general definition of a fascist, using the military to go after

00:46:48.840 American citizens. You can't do more than once. Hitler did some good things, too.

00:46:53.700 OK, that was put out by Kamala Harris. Was there the same panty bunching? Oh, my God, 0.99

00:46:58.960 They called the former president a fascist and suggested he was akin to Hitler.

00:47:07.440 We saw that everywhere in the Kamala Harris campaign.

00:47:10.060 Everywhere, the Hitler comparison.

00:47:13.360 Okay, this is absurd.

00:47:15.920 Stop.

00:47:17.220 And then there's Amy Acton's campaign.

00:47:20.260 Let's see what they've had to say about Vivek in the course of this race.

00:47:24.480 Let's watch it.

00:47:24.980 What Vivek Ramaswamy did to families like ours is unforgivable.

00:47:30.160 He pushed an Alzheimer's drug that he knew didn't work.

00:47:33.600 He made hundreds of millions of dollars scamming people like me.

00:47:37.040 Mr. Ramaswamy, you don't give a damn about anybody.

00:47:41.880 Nice. Nice. Is that above the belt?

00:47:46.480 Is that like should he should he keep his hands totally clean while she launches attack ads like that,

00:47:53.460 calling him a con man and a swindler and suggesting a woman's death was on his hands,

00:47:58.980 by the way, even PolitiFact deemed that ad untrue, that this woman's death had nothing

00:48:04.300 to do with anything Vivek did. Okay, so she's accusing him of killing somebody.

00:48:10.720 His ad has her mom saying she is a liar. You tell me which one is more despicable. 0.99

00:48:17.340 This is just outrageous. What is the faux outrage in response to this is what is truly outrageous. And let me tell you something else. Negative ads. The reason they're done both by Amy Acton and by Vivek now is that they work. They work.

00:48:35.340 May I remind you about the Willie Horton ad that was unleashed by George H.W. Bush supporters, a super PAC or a PAC at the time, when he was 17 points behind Michael Dukakis. Watch this.

00:48:52.300 Bush and Dukakis on crime.

00:48:54.660 Bush supports the death penalty for first-degree murderers.

00:48:57.660 Dukakis not only opposes the death penalty,

00:49:00.100 he allowed first-degree murderers to have weekend passes from prison.

00:49:04.000 One was Willie Horton, who murdered a boy in a robbery, stabbing him 19 times.

00:49:08.840 Despite a life sentence, Horton received 10 weekend passes from prison.

00:49:13.380 Horton fled, kidnapped a young couple,

00:49:15.320 stabbing the man and repeatedly raping his girlfriend. 0.89

00:49:18.540 Weekend prison passes. Dukakis on crime. 0.99

00:49:21.740 guess what happened? It worked. It moved the needle. George H.W. Bush closed the gap and won 0.77

00:49:30.960 the race. I know because Roger Ailes was very close with the people behind that ad and may

00:49:36.000 have had a hand in it himself. And in response to that ad, same thing. It's racist. The image

00:49:43.580 used of Horton, the use of the word, the name Willie as opposed to William, it has racist

00:49:49.980 undertones that was everywhere, condemning the ad, talk about how it was going to backfire and

00:49:54.740 so on. I don't know. I don't know whether any of this will backfire on Vivek Ramaswamy, but I do

00:49:59.400 know from all my years covering politics, negative ads work because they get people asking questions

00:50:06.060 about the candidate they're targeting. That's what Amy Acton wanted to happen with her ad 1.00

00:50:11.280 calling Vivek a Swinler and a con man. We'll see which way this goes.

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00:51:38.020 reading online here as we were in break the supreme court has just blocked president trump

00:51:48.220 from denying gender affirming care that's such a misnomer uh to trans prisoners so the justices

00:51:58.240 for now it's temporary have agreed to continue preventing reading from the new york times

00:52:04.100 the Bureau of Prisons from implementing a policy that would prohibit gender transition medical

00:52:10.420 treatments. In other words, when Trump became president, he issued an order and the Bureau of

00:52:14.940 Prisons is carrying it out, stopping them from using your money and mine to provide these so-called

00:52:22.920 gender treatments to prisoners. We've got murderers in prisons who are getting their gender care 1.00

00:52:30.300 thanks to your money.

00:52:32.540 And Trump tried to stop it.

00:52:35.000 And thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court,

00:52:37.640 at least temporarily, he's not able to.

00:52:41.240 A block was put in place in early 2025 by a lower court.

00:52:45.100 It's remained in place.

00:52:46.480 And the Trump administration had asked the Supreme Court

00:52:49.520 to lift that block,

00:52:52.260 to let us stop paying for these procedures

00:52:55.120 while the case plays out.

00:52:57.340 And it said, no, you will continue to pay for these procedures as the case plays out.

00:53:02.960 That's not a final decision on the merits.

00:53:05.140 They will still get their day in court to argue that they have every right to stop this use of our money on this absolute nonsense. 0.62

00:53:14.260 What percentage of the men, it's all men, pretending to be women to get into a woman's facility.

00:53:19.880 what what percentage of them right now are getting these treatments just because they

00:53:24.940 want to keep the ruse going so they can stay with the women as opposed to with the men

00:53:30.160 and why am i paying for it why are you paying for it the latest out of our u.s supreme court they

00:53:39.040 did it's unsigned we don't know exactly how the numbers came down we do know from the times

00:53:42.740 reporting that alito and thomas god bless them opposed this decision so when they issue these

00:53:49.860 like sort of temporary, like, no, we're not going to lift the block or we are going to lift the

00:53:53.280 block. You know, it's not like a full decision on the merits. They often just issue something

00:53:57.360 short like this where you don't know the full breakdown, but that's where things stand.

00:54:02.800 Also, I wanted to tell you there was one other element in our last story on the Amy Acton

00:54:07.720 matter and the ad by Vivek. I didn't show you the ad today. I showed it to you yesterday. I will

00:54:15.800 show it to you. Let's show the audience the ad here, SOT24A.

00:54:20.420 My name is Donna Arthur, and I'm Amy Acton's mother. I worked at Children and Family Service

00:54:27.100 Association, building one of the first two sexual abuse programs in America. I love my daughter,

00:54:34.860 but when I saw her lying about her opponent, and it's not easy for a mother to say this,

00:54:40.840 But Amy has a serious problem. 1.00

00:54:44.000 She is a liar. 1.00

00:54:45.920 She lies about her past. 1.00

00:54:48.120 She says she grew up living in a tent.

00:54:51.380 None of that is true.

00:54:53.380 She's lied her entire life.

00:54:55.960 My daughter needs help, and she can't help you if she needs help herself.

00:55:02.040 People can change, but first they have to tell the truth, and my daughter still isn't doing that.

00:55:08.060 Don't vote for people who lie.

00:55:10.840 Don't let her become your governor.

00:55:13.120 If you think she'll make your life better, you're fooling yourself.

00:55:17.900 It will only get worse.

00:55:20.940 Okay, so that's the ad that's caused all this kerfuffle.

00:55:26.120 J.D. Vance, the vice president of the United States, who's going to be campaigning with Vivek, I think a week from today, in Ohio, was just asked about this controversy.

00:55:38.680 And here's what happened.

00:55:40.180 Daniel Bush with the BBC, thank you.

00:55:42.480 You mentioned after this you're going to a campaign event.

00:55:45.560 Vivek Ramaswamy's campaign put out a controversial ad featuring his opponent's mother, Republicans.

00:55:51.380 Some are backing away from that.

00:55:53.120 Do you think that that ad was appropriate?

00:55:55.540 Well, I'll be honest with you, whether the ad was appropriate or not is not really my concern.

00:56:00.660 What is my concern is who's going to govern the next generation of American government.

00:56:07.320 Who is going to win the Senate race in the state of Ohio?

00:56:10.020 Who is going to win the governor's race in the state of Ohio?

00:56:12.720 And I've got to be honest that when I see Republicans, people in my party, reacting so strongly,

00:56:19.120 especially elected officials, look, have the opinion you want to have on that ad.

00:56:22.600 If you think it was too tough, say it was too tough.

00:56:24.440 If you think it wasn't tough enough, say that.

00:56:26.400 But I have to admit that I'm a little bit disgusted when I see Republicans across the country

00:56:32.500 who are whining more about that advertisement than they are about what the congressional

00:56:36.560 Democrats and other Democrats want to do to the United States of America.

00:56:41.200 Right on, right on. And did they whine when she issued her below the belt shot on Vivek?

00:56:47.760 Did they did those same Republicans whine when that happened? Because like are the dirty tricks

00:56:53.280 allowed only on the one side? I'm just curious, just checking in with with all of our betters

00:56:58.460 who want to lecture us on how far is too far. 0.78

00:57:01.280 By the way, the mother is clearly maintaining 0.59

00:57:04.440 that Amy was not molested.

00:57:07.720 The mother is maintaining that Amy made that up

00:57:10.400 based on what she says

00:57:12.760 was an unfounded earlier allegation against her husband.

00:57:16.500 We have no idea what's true.

00:57:18.480 Who the hell knows?

00:57:19.980 I don't even want to get into that.

00:57:22.340 But my point is simply,

00:57:24.020 everyone who doesn't like the ad

00:57:26.120 has just reacted as though the mother is a liar and we have to believe Amy's word. That's the way

00:57:33.080 it is because he was indicted based on Amy's testimonial. But the charges were never seen

00:57:38.680 through. And I don't understand this excuse of, well, it's because he moved to Pennsylvania.

00:57:43.020 Can you do that? If I get accused of a crime in Connecticut, can I get out of it if I just

00:57:47.060 move to Pennsylvania? I don't think when you're dealing with felonies, that's how it works in

00:57:51.260 the United States of America. Look, grow up politics. It ain't beanball. It's a very rough

00:57:57.680 and tumble sport. He's trying to win and he's trying to call attention to an issue with Amy

00:58:05.140 that irrespective of the past is real. She does not appear to have an adult relationship with the

00:58:11.760 truth, nor is she emotionally regulated. The Columbus dispatch today has decided to endorse

00:58:17.700 her allegedly because of this ad, which is bullshit if you read their piece. It's very 0.98

00:58:22.180 anti-Vivek and anti-Republican. And it's running cover for her COVID decisions and how what a

00:58:27.680 scary time it was and how, you know, it's like she had to do these draconian measures to shut

00:58:33.320 down this day. Oh, please. So you're not, you're not, it's not, has nothing to do with Vivek's ad.

00:58:38.220 You're just, you're a COVID panicking. So just calm down and let the grownups make a decision

00:58:44.420 here. And then they called the attacks on her sexist. They said that these attacks about her 1.00

00:58:50.480 crying and her inability to get her emotions under control are sexist. Fuck off. That's like 1.00

00:58:59.320 saying we wouldn't be doing that to a man who was crying at every turn. Lots of women are very 0.73

00:59:06.800 capable of managing their emotions. I mean, honestly, in fairness to her, how many times 1.00

00:59:12.120 did we see Kamala Harris cry? None. She was able to keep that shit in check. It's not just a woman

00:59:18.860 thing. Like what they're writing is sexist. That her in the fetal position crying in the offices 0.65

00:59:25.900 while she had to go out and do a press conference or overwhelmed by the COVID data is because she's 0.57

00:59:31.460 a woman? Fuck off. That's not true. Like this is absurd. There were lots of female executives who 1.00

00:59:37.340 are handling their responsibilities around COVID without breaking down into tears. Here's the

00:59:41.420 quote, there has been clear misogyny against Acton. The $90 million attack ad campaign by a

00:59:48.020 super PAC working on Ramaswamy's behalf attempts to paint Acton as a deranged woman who cried in

00:59:54.100 the office. This is a different one who cried in the office during the COVID pandemic, a heartbreaking

00:59:58.880 and uncertain time. Oh, my God. Stop. OK, just stop. Not every female politician breaks down

01:00:07.460 into tears when it's a trying time. Quite a few Democrats did. Rochelle Walensky, 1.00

01:00:14.640 apparently this Amy Acton. But look, the only time we ever saw Hillary Clinton cry was when 0.99

01:00:20.640 she faked it that time in New Hampshire. Not all women are a blubbering mess of tears. So

01:00:27.420 fuck off Columbus Dispatch, because much like the New York Times fashion critic, 1.00

01:00:32.780 when she was trying to say that allowing women to parade down the runway in Victoria's Secret 1.00

01:00:37.440 Margaret's lingerie is adding to rape culture. That was disgustingly sexist by a leftist who 1.00

01:00:45.500 was trying to persuade us she wasn't. And so is what the Columbus Dispatch just wrote.

01:00:51.820 OK, not all women break down in tears. And if you have a problem with an individual who cannot

01:00:57.120 stop fucking crying on the job, that doesn't make you a sexist pig for pointing it out because it 0.99

01:01:02.720 happens to be a woman in this case. Just stop it. How much fun did we have at John Boehner's expense 1.00

01:01:08.880 when he was blubbering all the time? This is absurd. So put your big pants on. Big boy pants

01:01:16.060 and big girl pants. Buckle up because it's going to be a rough last two weeks of the campaign. 1.00

01:01:21.740 Welcome to politics. Okay. Speaking of politics, we have to update you about Congresswoman Ilhan

01:01:28.640 Omar. She's emerged, sort of. We still have no idea where she is, but there was a video of her

01:01:35.580 in the back of her car. We'll show you that in one second. But first, here is President Trump

01:01:41.420 yesterday sharing his thoughts on the Congresswoman. There is a problem with Ilhan Omar's

01:01:47.040 age. Could she be deported? She could be. She could also go to jail. She could also go to jail.

01:01:53.700 You know, they keep talking about deportation. Now, she could go to jail, is my opinion. I think

01:01:57.720 She's a sick, a very dishonest person, but who hates our country. 1.00

01:02:04.360 And she comes from a country that is essentially not even a country, Somalia. 1.00

01:02:11.160 It's a real shithouse, okay? 1.00

01:02:14.160 She's a disgrace to our country. 1.00

01:02:16.520 And it's amazing that she can get elected, but Somalians vote for her. 1.00

01:02:21.460 You know, Somalians vote for her, and most of them shouldn't be here. 0.97

01:02:24.600 I hope they treat her fairly, but I think she's a very dishonest person. 0.85

01:02:32.660 And then last night, Ilhan Omar finally emerging on TikTok with this video.

01:02:40.100 Hi, everyone. Ilhan here. I just wanted to say thank you so much for the support to everyone

01:02:46.780 who sent a note of support, for everyone who sent $5, $10, $20. That goes a long way as we fight

01:02:57.340 Trump and his administration for trying to intimidate me and so many people right before

01:03:06.700 the midterm elections. We know that they're running scared. We're not going to be intimidated.

01:03:11.700 We're not going to be silenced. We're not going to be scared. I'll be out there campaigning

01:03:15.780 alongside all of you and making sure that we beat back all of this and that we win in the

01:03:22.260 midterms, win the House, win the Senate, and hold this administration accountable. Thank you so much

01:03:27.900 again. And please continue to support us. It is going to be a very expensive and challenging

01:03:34.860 time. And so we appreciate whether you're able to send 5, 10, 20. Thank you.

01:03:40.660 Um, I'd be careful if I were you before I did that. Okay. Because it's, it doesn't look like

01:03:48.180 Ilhan Omar is very good at managing finances. Her husband's been sued repeatedly for people's

01:03:54.920 investments, disappearing, magically disappearing whenever they're turned over to him. And he's

01:04:02.920 been involved in several litigations, which we're going to discuss in one second. I do want to tell

01:04:07.640 about Ilhan Omar and her hitting the campaign trail, allegedly, sometime soon. We saw Alpha

01:04:15.160 News' Liz Collin on Fox News earlier today reporting that she's expected to return to

01:04:22.260 the campaign trail in Minnesota next week with Hassan Piker. The candidate who, like,

01:04:31.040 El-Sayed has had to, even he had to distance himself from, so the podcaster,

01:04:37.640 who even El-Sayed had to distance himself from.

01:04:40.560 Now, Ilhan Omar is going to fully embrace this guy who said America deserved 9-11.

01:04:47.000 OK, that's is that the move for her?

01:04:50.300 Like, as we're debating whether she's an illegal alien, whether she ever had naturalization, fake or real, 0.65

01:04:58.640 whether she's been defrauding this country from the moment she got here,

01:05:02.980 She's going to pal around with a guy who believes America is the devil and we deserved 9-11.

01:05:08.500 I'm not sure that's the move. 0.99

01:05:10.220 I mean, I realize she's going to win because her little Somali constituents couldn't give a shit about all of that. 1.00

01:05:15.180 They probably agree with all those sentiments. 1.00

01:05:18.560 But it's not really going to help her in the court of public opinion as we try to figure out what we believe about this person,

01:05:25.560 whether she's a truth teller, whether she's an illegal, whether she's a fraudster when it comes

01:05:31.920 to her immigration history, her marriages, and her finances. So our next guest is someone who

01:05:40.720 has been looking into that last issue, her finances, for years. Washington Free Beacon

01:05:45.880 investigative reporter Andrew Kerr is here. He's been with a number of publications that are more

01:05:52.140 conservative and has been on a quest for the better part of the last decade to figure out

01:05:58.440 whether this person is being honest about her finances and those of her husband. Andrew,

01:06:05.360 welcome to the show. Hey, thanks so much for having me on.

01:06:07.980 Okay. So can we just start with how this relationship between Ilhan Omar and her

01:06:13.460 current husband, Tim Minette, began? Yeah. Tim Minette was her campaign consultant

01:06:20.300 back before COVID.

01:06:23.340 So both Tim Minette and Ilhan Omar

01:06:25.300 were married to other people

01:06:26.960 at the time their relationship started.

01:06:30.580 I think it was around 2019

01:06:32.020 that reports surfaced that they were having an affair.

01:06:35.520 At the same time,

01:06:36.220 her campaign was paying his firm millions of dollars.

01:06:39.660 They publicly denied it.

01:06:41.720 And then it turned out to be true.

01:06:43.440 They both divorced their spouses

01:06:44.700 and then they married each other.

01:06:47.820 Again, while her campaign was paying

01:06:49.940 millions of dollars uh to his uh consulting firm for for services um so eventually uh that that

01:06:58.700 caused that was a whole uh media scandal um complaints were filed and tim minette then

01:07:04.440 exited the uh political consulting business because uh ilhan amar was essentially his only client

01:07:09.300 um and he cut ties with their campaign uh and then he went on to found uh a number of other

01:07:15.380 business entities. He formed a winery. He formed a marijuana investment group, an international

01:07:24.680 venture capitalist firm, all of which ultimately were looped into all these various lawsuits that

01:07:30.360 you mentioned. And this kind of leads into her infamous 30 million accounting error and

01:07:36.760 unresolved questions surrounding that. But yeah, that's the nexus of their relationship. They began

01:07:42.280 as essentially colleagues. And then it grew from there. Okay, we'll get to the marijuana business

01:07:47.960 in a second. But let's start with this Rose Capital and the E. St. Crewe, which are the two

01:07:56.460 companies that are mentioned in her financial disclosure, the latter of which I believe

01:08:02.180 owned this so-called winery. So she caught the attention of investigators, congressional

01:08:10.580 investigators and the president in 2025, when she filed her financial disclosure for the prior

01:08:19.960 year, I guess for 2024, and she listed assets with her husband of between $6 million and $30

01:08:28.160 million, which was a massive, massive increase over the year before. So massive that congressional

01:08:35.860 investigators and the White House and everybody started to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

01:08:39.540 like we need to look into how that happened is that basically how this scrutiny began yeah so i

01:08:46.040 i broke that story um i found i i pulled ilhan no more i was just searching for for something to

01:08:50.640 cover something to sink my teeth into and i and i pulled omar's financial disclosures and i noticed

01:08:54.960 i'm like wow these are some like massive numbers from someone that in previous years has reported

01:08:59.600 that he's essentially broke um so the figure that that i calculated so financial congressional

01:09:06.000 financial disclosures they they report in a range so like my assets are worth like for example she

01:09:11.040 valued the winery at between one to five million dollars and the uh rose lake capital venture

01:09:17.820 capitalist firm as between a five and 25 million so we don't know exactly like what her net worth

01:09:23.920 was but we can kind of compare the low end and the high end from her previous years and at the

01:09:28.820 very least, she was reporting her net worth had increased by at least 3,500%. I didn't report that.

01:09:36.560 What had it been the year before?

01:09:38.920 Anywhere from like negative 50,000 to positive like 50,000 the year before to no less than 6

01:09:46.040 million to up to $30 million. So the math showed that her net worth increased by at the very least

01:09:51.400 3,500% upwards to, there's a reason I didn't include the number. It was absurd. It was like

01:09:56.980 hundreds of thousands of percent at the high end um so yeah we we put that story out and what was

01:10:02.540 there there's a lot to this so all of these business entities that her husband eventually

01:10:08.740 co-founded they all got involved in lawsuits and so we have a lot of um you know uh court transcripts

01:10:15.580 discovery documents that that you typically you don't get insight into the finances of like a

01:10:20.700 private LLC. But in this case, we do. And we know that at the beginning of 2024, all these companies

01:10:28.900 were broke. They had no money in their bank account. They had no clients. They couldn't

01:10:33.240 afford to pay their employees. And they were facing millions of dollars with the lawsuits.

01:10:37.940 And then suddenly, by the end of 2024, they managed to pay off all those lawsuits in cash,

01:10:43.160 distribute hundreds of thousands of dollars to Omar's husband. And then she's reporting that

01:10:49.060 the value of her companies, you know, these companies are now worth upwards of 30 million

01:10:53.500 dollars. That's very strange. So just to underscore something you just said, it wasn't just that they

01:11:02.380 were facing a bunch of lawsuits that increased their liabilities. It was also that the businesses

01:11:08.240 were not making money. They because, you know, she would later say, oh, I had to revise those

01:11:13.180 numbers downward because they didn't factor in liabilities. But you're reporting that no, no,

01:11:16.940 no, no, no, no. Even in 2024, the businesses were not making money. These were not thriving

01:11:22.200 concerns. Yes, the winery could not afford to pay. It's a it's it's top winemaker. They stopped

01:11:29.780 paying her in November 2023. So she's on the record saying that they stopped paying my my salary

01:11:34.240 in late 2023. The venture capital firm, which claims that to have this advisory team with

01:11:42.600 experience managing $50 billion in assets under management. Her husband's business partner,

01:11:49.560 a guy named Will Haler, who's involved in all these entities, he testified in this bankruptcy

01:11:54.220 case that they didn't have any investments. They had no cash in the bank account. They had nothing

01:12:01.840 going on. And then this marijuana company, they had received millions of dollars from investors

01:12:08.620 who eventually sued them saying that like hey we just got duped into investing into this fake

01:12:12.960 company and will hayler tells them in an email that hey i'd love to pay you back but i can't

01:12:18.800 because the office of foreign assets control has placed a hold on our funds um which is very very

01:12:24.860 strange because the office of foreign assets control is the treasury department organization

01:12:28.980 that mets out sanctions against alleged terrorists um overseas terrorists so why are they interested

01:12:35.740 that's no joke why why on earth are they interested in the goings comings and goings of

01:12:41.900 a south dakota based marijuana company co-founded by ilhan omar's husband um that's very bizarre

01:12:49.260 and what's even more bizarre is that the media is extremely uninterested in covering this nobody is

01:12:55.500 talking about this at all um that the office of foreign access control allegedly placed the hold

01:13:02.260 on a company co-founded by Ilhan Omar's husband. 0.53

01:13:07.560 Fortunately for them- 0.87

01:13:08.900 Who's an American, by the way.

01:13:10.320 He's an actual American.

01:13:12.140 And so query whether it's his foreign ties

01:13:16.080 or his wives that are causing the alert at Treasury.

01:13:21.420 It's worth noting that the Biden Justice Department

01:13:24.280 in 2024, the New York Times reported this last year.

01:13:27.300 They did open a probe into Ilhan Omar

01:13:29.520 for her, quote, interactions with a foreign citizen.

01:13:32.260 So, I mean, let's just tie this into this alleged Office of Foreign Access Control hold.

01:13:37.000 I mean, it's just. We don't really know what's going on there, but I mean, like, you know, just putting two and two together, you know, that that warrants some scrutiny.

01:13:46.180 Now, fortunately for. Could that be the brother, though? Could that be the Brisbane, a foreign individual, her interactions with a foreign individual?

01:13:52.040 No idea. That investigation under the Biden administration apparently stalled. Obviously, things have heated up significantly.

01:13:58.740 I hope that the authorities are looking at this particular angle because I'd love to get an answer on that.

01:14:05.060 I'd love to get an answer on this alleged Office of Foreign Assets Control hold against the marijuana company.

01:14:15.400 The company was called Badlands.

01:14:18.260 Fortunately for Badlands and Tim Minette and his business partner, Will Haler, even though they had nothing going on with that company,

01:14:24.940 a few months after claiming this OFAC hold, they got a hold of about $1.7 million to settle this

01:14:31.660 lawsuit, and they repaid the investors, one of which told the New York Post last year that they

01:14:36.800 were amazed that they were able to come up with all this money just months after claiming complete

01:14:41.880 and total financial insolvency. Wait, now, can you just underscore that for us, Andrew? Because

01:14:47.880 As I understand it from your reporting, this happened repeatedly where there was, for example, the Wall Street Journal reported on a letter they had seen listing the assets that were in the Rose Capitol and in that other one, E Street, whatever it is, the one that owned the winery.

01:15:07.900 and the letter reflected that there was no money.

01:15:12.120 Yeah.

01:15:12.420 There was no money in these businesses

01:15:14.220 and you're reporting there was no money

01:15:17.160 in the marijuana business.

01:15:19.040 And yet repeatedly, they made large payouts

01:15:24.020 to litigants suing them over these businesses.

01:15:28.440 And this is one of your questions, right?

01:15:30.560 Where did they get millions of dollars

01:15:33.260 to settle with these investors?

01:15:36.060 Well, yeah, well, there's two questions.

01:15:37.900 actually so the pattern here is that investors gave millions of dollars to uh omar's husband

01:15:44.580 and his business partner that money went somewhere because by and so this this was before 2024

01:15:51.940 and then they received millions of dollars from investors by the beginning of 2024 those

01:15:56.720 investors are now sued for their money back and uh tim minette and will haler saying hey sorry we

01:16:02.400 can't pay you back because we have no money i have 40 bucks in my bank account what do you expect me

01:16:06.080 to do uh so the first question is where did the investors money go in the first place um and this

01:16:13.220 could provide an answer to why will hayler is saying that the office of foreign assets control

01:16:17.700 stepped in and seized control of the fund of the funds um that's bizarre uh uh second question is

01:16:27.000 where did they get the money just months later after claiming they had nothing

01:16:31.040 no money and no business and no clients and no investments where'd you get the millions of

01:16:36.060 then to repay these investors that you just told them, I can't pay you back because we're broke.

01:16:41.380 So where did the money go in the first place? And then where do they get the money to repay

01:16:45.420 the investors and close out all these lawsuits? Why is the Office of Foreign Access Control

01:16:51.380 allegedly involved around the same time the Biden Justice Department is investigating her

01:16:57.060 alleged interactions with a foreign citizen um yeah uh why is omar then reporting and originally

01:17:06.500 that these businesses you know again after being financially destitute in the beginning of 2024

01:17:11.700 by the end of 2024 they're allegedly worth up to 30 million dollars she then revises that down

01:17:17.820 after i i reported uh those figures and then she claims months later that oh well my husband's

01:17:25.960 accountant, failed to account for the liabilities of these businesses, and they're actually worth

01:17:31.440 nothing, which I'm sorry is absurd. No accountant would do that. No accountant would, when asked to

01:17:39.340 provide a fair market value for a company, would fail to take into account a company's

01:17:46.320 liabilities. That doesn't happen. And it's astonishing to me that Ilhan Omar went to the

01:17:53.160 wall street journal uh to you know for when she revised down this financial disclosure and claimed

01:17:58.520 a 30 million dollar accounting error and the wall street journal just reported breathlessly that oh

01:18:02.940 yeah the accountant just provided the wrong uh numbers they forgot to account for the liabilities

01:18:07.500 that no account no accountant would do that that's crazy it's i mean it just it goes to show the the

01:18:13.940 the um the the flexibility that the media provides ilhan omar that that no other person

01:18:20.220 in American public life would just be able to say that without any sort of like pushback or

01:18:26.240 scrutiny? Like, how is it possible that an accountant, a licensed accountant would fail

01:18:32.220 to account for upwards of $30 million in liabilities for these businesses? I'm sorry,

01:18:39.000 that's crazy. You're so right. You're so right. That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I mean,

01:18:43.780 assets and liabilities are the ABCs of accounting. You don't have to get very far into accounting

01:18:48.940 school to learn that. Um, but there was a determination in September as in last month

01:18:58.760 by the congressional committee, um, office of congressional conduct that, that voted to

01:19:07.460 recommend dismissing the misconduct allegations against her saying there was no substantial reason

01:19:12.560 to believe she violated federal law or house rules. Now I saw Janine Pirro on Fox saying,

01:19:18.360 I'm not bound by that. So that's she seems to be telegraphing very clearly. I am looking into

01:19:23.840 this piece of the case. But why would in a Republican controlled House, the Office of

01:19:30.420 Congressional Conduct vote to recommend dismissing the misconduct allegations here if there was any

01:19:36.400 there there? Yeah. So the way the House has things set up with ethics complaints is needlessly

01:19:42.840 complicated. So the Office of Congressional Conduct is actually it's actually an independent

01:19:47.600 review board it it's kind of like this preliminary agency that like screens ethics complaints

01:19:54.960 submitted against members of congress or members of the house and if the office of congressional

01:20:00.520 conduct deems that there is substantial reason to believe that something bad may have happened

01:20:05.140 then they pass the complaint up to the uh to the house um ethics committee uh which then has the

01:20:11.720 power and authority to conduct a real investigation with real teeth and impose real penalties against

01:20:17.400 lawmakers. So we know that the Office of Congressional Conduct did an investigation.

01:20:23.860 We know it was a split decision. It was a five to one vote that they deemed that Ilhan Amar

01:20:29.040 didn't intentionally misrepresent her finances when first reporting she and her husband are

01:20:34.820 worth $30 million. Oh, oops, actually forgot to account for the liabilities, were actually worth

01:20:40.000 nothing. It was a five to one vote, and their report has not been made public.

01:20:45.520 Uh, so we don't actually know the reasoning why they, why they believe there's no reason to believe that Ilhan Omar misled the public or intentionally reported, uh, false information.

01:20:56.600 Um, I would love to get my hands on that report.

01:20:59.060 I'd love to, I, you know, I'd love to ask him like, Hey, did you just take her accountant, you know, at face value?

01:21:06.140 Or did you actually like look into the fine, like into the books of the, uh, the businesses?

01:21:10.480 Did he graduate from the quality leering center?

01:21:12.580 Right.

01:21:13.020 Yeah.

01:21:13.220 Yeah. Like, you know, did they just did the account? Did you get a letter from the accountant just saying that, oops, forgot to account for the liabilities?

01:21:19.040 Or did you actually like look into like, OK, what are they what the actual books look like?

01:21:23.200 Was there an independent was there a financial audit conducted? Like how how was this?

01:21:28.100 How is it possible that this error was made? We don't know.

01:21:31.100 And I suspect that, you know, again, we have a five to one vote that that one person that voted to that apparently believe that, yeah, we should pass this up to the House at this committee.

01:21:40.440 um you know what was their reasoning so again i'm not i'm not putting too much on that that

01:21:47.020 occ investigation um uh the house oversight committee uh led by james comer uh they're

01:21:53.340 looking into uh this uh the 30 million dollar accounting error uh gm piero as you mentioned

01:21:59.000 she's looking into this too and she's right they are not bound by the office of congressional

01:22:03.760 conduct that is a independent review board she's got a lot more power than they do i mean to be 0.99

01:22:08.820 a lot more power than they do. The Office of Congressional Conduct has no power. They 1.00

01:22:13.100 essentially just screen complaints that come in against members of Congress.

01:22:20.100 Not to mention, without disparaging any of them, they all have their own houses to worry about as

01:22:25.840 well. There may be a feeling on board that five-person team of there but for the grace of

01:22:32.220 God. Who knows what's in their own financial disclosures? And they may be more charitable

01:22:37.120 in interpreting a member's assertion that a mistake was made,

01:22:40.580 or maybe one was legitimately made.

01:22:42.540 We don't know.

01:22:43.440 But here's my question to you.

01:22:45.280 Having been on this for a while, Andrew,

01:22:47.500 what do you think, I'm just asking your opinion now,

01:22:52.720 is really going on here?

01:22:55.520 And it's hard to say.

01:22:56.700 I mean, how do you go from your new husband

01:23:00.840 is a political consultant,

01:23:02.020 And then he goes on to form a international venture capital firm stacked with like these huge, you know, former Obama administration officials in their advisory board, all of which, by the way, you know, so the advisory board for Rose Lake Capital, their $25 million venture capital firm.

01:23:25.500 they've later come out almost all of them saying that like hey we have like one conversation with

01:23:29.820 these guys made no commitments and then they like slapped our names on their website claiming that

01:23:33.680 we're working with them and so they've all distanced themselves from from the firm um how

01:23:37.780 does he become an international venture capitalist uh owning a winery and investing in uh marijuana

01:23:45.080 companies in south dakota um all the while everyone that's invested in these firms has

01:23:52.200 eventually sued them um this uh office of foreign assets control hold uh that will hayler claimed

01:24:01.100 there's also this indian billionaire um that uh in uh mid 20 in the summer 2024

01:24:07.540 uh will hayler testified that an indian billionaire uh gave him 11 million dollars as part of this

01:24:15.280 loan deal and then the billionaire requested the money back a few days later um and it's not clear

01:24:21.060 I mean, it's it's it makes your head spin like how these guys just managed to do all like, you know, deep pocketed people all over the world into donating to these to these companies that like didn't do really do anything.

01:24:36.180 They didn't, you know, there's no evidence that the marijuana company ever invested in marijuana businesses or ventures in South Dakota.

01:24:46.100 The winery, they licensed some wines, but there's no real evidence that they're ever really a big thing.

01:24:52.940 The venture capital firm didn't really have any investments, and yet they're getting millions of dollars from overseas.

01:24:59.100 Will Haver is talking about being flown out to Dubai for business meetings connected to all this.

01:25:04.000 Um, again, the OFAC hold, uh, the Biden administration investigating Omar's interactions with a foreign citizen, Omar and her husband in, uh, 2023 or 2024 amid all this, uh, are attending, um, these, uh, uh, uh, investment events, uh, uh, for, you know, uh, for investors seeking to invest in, um, uh, in Africa, uh, you know, while Omar is, you know, a member of Congress.

01:25:32.800 you know it's it's all just so strange i don't i don't want to i can't speculate more on just

01:25:38.960 aside from just laying out all that and and you know just questioning like you know what's what's

01:25:45.180 going on here it's it's it's bizarre um and you know so much attention has been placed on

01:25:51.180 omar's immigration status and i think rightfully so um but i mean this is a big part of the story

01:25:56.420 too. And, um, and I hope that, uh, these investigations, uh, are, are looking into

01:26:02.480 these angles as well. I mean, it's just an extraordinary amount of money that's flown

01:26:04.960 into this, this enterprise. Um, and, and just sketchy as hell. I get it. It's weird. It's just,

01:26:11.080 it's just so bizarrely weird. Let me tell you something. Having worked with Janine Pirro for

01:26:15.720 years, if anyone can get to the bottom of this, it's Janine Pirro. She's like a dog with a bone

01:26:21.600 when she gets onto a story

01:26:23.000 and she smells something there.

01:26:25.680 So I do believe if there's anything to unearth,

01:26:28.900 Piero will find it.

01:26:30.920 I, for one, I'm very glad she's looking.

01:26:32.760 Andrew, thank you for all the great reporting

01:26:34.200 and for coming on.

01:26:35.020 Thanks.

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01:27:50.240 Okay. A couple more things for you today. More fallout in that Victoria's Secret runway show

01:28:00.620 that we talked about earlier this week. The one in which Kylie Jenner was allowed to wear

01:28:05.880 the super special bra, the fantasy bra that over the years has changed. It's not always the same

01:28:12.160 one, but wearing the fantasy bra, the one with all the glitz and glam and diamonds on it is always

01:28:18.020 an honor reserved for the most talented supermodel there, someone who generally has been loyal to the

01:28:24.900 brand. And over the years, it's been Tyra Banks, it's been Giselle, it's been Claudia Schiffer,

01:28:30.320 it's been, you know, household name models, actual models. And honestly, in their defense,

01:28:36.960 the modeling industry is, I don't, there's not a tougher industry out there. It will chew you up

01:28:42.580 and spit you out mercilessly.

01:28:45.780 Obviously, the physical requirements are extremely exacting,

01:28:49.720 but the emotional taxation is enormous as well.

01:28:52.840 Just ask Presley Gerber's family.

01:28:56.180 So it didn't go to such a model,

01:29:00.600 somebody who's devoted herself to this industry

01:29:02.860 and the sacrifices that it requires.

01:29:04.640 It went to Kylie Jenner,

01:29:09.060 basically a Kardashian crew member.

01:29:11.620 And now we're learning how it happened. There are reports that the momager, Kris Jenner,

01:29:18.960 made it happen because they were hoping to get Kendall Jenner, who actually is a model. But I

01:29:24.980 mean, all of them are like, are they really? They're not like supermodels like Cindy Crawford

01:29:29.940 was, like any, like Paulina Portskova, Naomi Campbell. These are reality TV show, you know, 0.90

01:29:38.960 wannabes. Kendall Jenner is of reality TV. She got really tall and I'm sure she had some work

01:29:46.300 done like her sisters and parlayed that into a modeling career. And what modeling agency would 1.00

01:29:51.140 say no to her because they all have hundreds of millions of social media followers. So you'd be 0.97

01:29:56.340 a dummy to say no because one tweet from them and your product gets in front of all these

01:30:00.940 people who, for some reason, are fans of theirs. So Kendall couldn't or wouldn't do it because

01:30:08.200 she's already affiliated with another lingerie brand. And so the momager was like, how about

01:30:14.220 this one? That's how they got Kylie in there. And by the way, all the hype around this woman,

01:30:21.460 you know, remember Forbes came out and she's like the youngest billionaire. She's only 19. 1.00

01:30:25.360 That all turned out to be bullshit. That turned out to be a bunch of PR bullshit on overvaluations 1.00

01:30:32.560 of her makeup company. Everything about this family is puffed up beyond reality. 0.99

01:30:40.620 And so Victoria's Secret decided to give this honor to this nimrod with the enormous fake boobs 1.00

01:30:47.500 and the enormous fake ass and the enormous fake lips. And God knows what else has been done to 1.00

01:30:53.720 her, like to recognize her natural beauty. Okay, great. Here's a picture she posted on Instagram.

01:31:00.600 She wants you to be looking at her tits like this. 1.00

01:31:05.100 I mean, enormous, like two big fake grapefruits stuffed into a bunch of sparkly diamonds. 1.00

01:31:12.140 Awesome.

01:31:13.460 Well, it wasn't just yours truly who had a problem with her selection.

01:31:18.880 Adrienne Curry, who was, I think, the first person to win America's Next Top Model or

01:31:24.500 one of the first and went on to have very successful modeling career came out and had

01:31:30.640 some sharp commentary on it. And here is what she said on Monday. No, I'm not going to bother

01:31:37.380 with Victoria's Secret. They have fucking Kardashians in there that trans model that I'm 0.99

01:31:43.220 sorry, that they were not better looking than the fucking OG Victoria's Secret models. They said no 1.00

01:31:50.800 to they never take a chance on new faces everything's a virtue signal or it's who's

01:31:58.520 the biggest influencer i'm sorry nothing against kylie jenner you're not a model you don't have a 1.00

01:32:05.060 body i don't know why they put her in the mega bra that's for the bell of the ball that is for 1.00

01:32:13.780 the top Victoria's Secret angel that is like winning homecoming queen and they just give it 1.00

01:32:20.660 to Jenner like get the out of here Victoria's Secret is a joke joke all these women in this 0.99

01:32:29.760 family want to do is promote themselves you know to me it's like when when Kim Kardashian had to 0.90

01:32:35.000 wear the Marilyn gown that Marilyn wore when she was singing happy birthday Mr. President

01:32:40.800 and she messed with it and had to be resized for her

01:32:44.300 with all of its Swarovski crystals on there.

01:32:46.920 How dare she?

01:32:48.540 How dare she?

01:32:49.740 And that's not the first time

01:32:50.600 the Kardashians have done that either.

01:32:52.540 They want everything.

01:32:53.840 They're very Kelly Clarkson-esque.

01:32:56.120 I want it.

01:32:57.060 It's mine.

01:32:57.780 I will have it.

01:32:59.580 And that's what we saw on display on that runway.

01:33:03.240 I mean, no one cares about Victoria's Secret, obviously, 0.98

01:33:05.500 or their dumb fashion show, 0.97

01:33:06.880 other than we're happy that this year 0.99

01:33:08.720 it featured mostly women. 1.00

01:33:10.800 And mostly like thin, beautiful ones, which is a big improvement over where we were a couple of years ago. 0.99

01:33:16.300 But it's just the corruption of our culture by this clan.

01:33:20.660 That's what I object to.

01:33:21.980 They're everywhere because of their social media following.

01:33:24.480 By the way, that's rumored to be largely fake.

01:33:26.600 All those hundreds of millions like bought and paid for fake. 1.00

01:33:29.500 Um, and, and you cannot open a magazine or a newspaper without seeing their fake assets paraded all over as some sort of example of what a woman is supposed to look like. I object to the whole thing. I object to all the fakeness around them when it comes to their financial numbers, when it comes to their stupid reality TV show, and when it comes to their bodies object for the record. 0.82

01:33:56.360 Okay, moving on. There is a story about Holly Berry that we have been trying to get to since Maureen was on last Friday. And it just came to a head in a courtroom this week. So Holly Berry's ex, first of all, let me go back. 0.98

01:34:15.740 Halle Berry married Olivier Martinez, okay?

01:34:20.020 And Olivier Martinez, most of us know him from the movie Unfaithful.

01:34:24.320 He's the French guy who had the affair with Diane Lane in that movie.

01:34:28.900 You, well, here's a clip from Unfaithful, just in case you don't remember.

01:34:33.260 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:34:34.720 Wait!

01:34:35.440 Ah!

01:34:36.240 Ah!

01:34:36.700 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:34:37.380 Police!

01:34:37.940 Don't police!

01:34:38.980 Oh, no! 0.61

01:34:39.940 Hey! 0.92

01:34:40.240 Calm down! 0.99

01:34:41.180 No! 0.98

01:34:41.620 Whoa, whoa, whoa!

01:34:42.520 What are you doing?

01:34:45.100 How many are there, five, ten? 1.00

01:34:51.320 Fuck, what am I? 1.00

01:34:53.080 The Monday one, what, did I get my day wrong? 0.99

01:34:55.520 It's just a fun, okay?

01:34:57.640 Just a fun. 1.00

01:34:59.920 You're a fucking liar. 1.00

01:35:01.920 Me? 1.00

01:35:02.880 I'm the liar?

01:35:04.900 Can't do this anymore.

01:35:09.580 Fine, go back to your suburb and your carpool.

01:35:11.980 Huh, your tennis lesson, your...

01:35:13.220 What are you doing?

01:35:14.140 What are you doing? 1.00

01:35:15.100 Fuck you. 1.00

01:35:17.680 That'll make you happy. 1.00

01:35:19.280 Fuck you. 1.00

01:35:27.620 No. 1.00

01:35:28.400 No, I can't.

01:35:30.040 Oh, it's over.

01:35:33.560 Okay, you remember Maureen and I talked about it

01:35:37.500 and I told the story of what happened

01:35:38.960 when I saw that movie in the theater for the first time

01:35:41.280 when I was young.

01:35:43.240 Well, I guess I was more senior,

01:35:44.500 but a Jones Day associate, and I had these young male associates to my left and the right in the

01:35:49.740 middle of Iowa. It was very awkward. The racy scenes in there are extremely racy.

01:35:56.420 Great movie, though. Anywho, that's her ex-husband. That's Halle Berry's ex-husband.

01:36:02.580 And in fact, they starred together in a movie, which I actually had never heard of.

01:36:08.480 We have a clip of the two of them together. And interestingly, now that you know, I'm going to

01:36:12.820 tell you, they're in the midst of a knockdown, drag out custody battle over their 13 year old

01:36:19.680 son. Listen to the first line of the trailer of this movie. My father once told me to be careful

01:36:27.040 of the things you love most in the world. Because if you're not careful, that very thing can also

01:36:35.620 So that's where they met, filming the movie Dark Tide.

01:37:05.620 my father once told me be careful about the thing you love most because it can wind up coming back

01:37:12.980 to haunt you or hurting you okay that's what they're living at this moment because those two

01:37:19.300 while they met and fell in love on the set and you know you'd be very hard-pressed to find two

01:37:23.580 better-looking people on earth um you can see why they were attracted to one another it ended

01:37:29.980 absolutely terribly. And unfortunately for Halle Berry, she's got a history of her relationships

01:37:37.980 ending absolutely terribly. He was not the first. And, you know, you could make a pretty good

01:37:44.500 argument. He's not going to be the last either. Here's the story. First, in the spring of 2010,

01:37:50.620 she was coming to the end of a five-year relationship with model Gabriel Aubrey,

01:37:55.960 who fathered her daughter, Nala.

01:37:58.980 So spring of 2010, that was ending.

01:38:01.260 July of 2010, she met Olivier Martinez

01:38:04.340 while they filmed Dark Tide in South Africa.

01:38:07.320 So that's quick.

01:38:08.480 Spring of 2010, July of 2010,

01:38:11.200 you could make the case

01:38:11.980 there was likely some crossover there.

01:38:13.800 2011, she got engaged to Martinez.

01:38:16.860 2012, their relationship became intertwined

01:38:19.760 with her custody dispute with Aubrey.

01:38:22.580 So she and the first guy,

01:38:24.640 Aubrey had a custody dispute over Nala. She doesn't seem to be doing very well in wrapping

01:38:31.280 up these relationships well, which is important, especially when there is a child involved.

01:38:37.880 So she had a custody dispute with Aubrey. She sought permission to move to France and take

01:38:44.040 the daughter with her. Martinez is French. And she and he wanted to go over there and have their

01:38:48.340 French little, you know, chateau together. And of course, this guy Aubrey was like, hell no,

01:38:52.660 that's my daughter. You're not moving to France with her. So he filed a lawsuit and a judge

01:38:58.660 denied Halle Berry's request to relocate their daughter permanently to France. Then November

01:39:05.700 2012, this guy Aubrey and Martinez, Olivier Martinez, get involved in a physical fight

01:39:13.860 outside of Halle Berry's Los Angeles home on Thanksgiving. Both had to receive medical

01:39:19.160 treatment. Aubrey was arrested. And then shortly thereafter, Halle Berry and Aubrey came to a

01:39:27.040 custody agreement in the midst of this battle. Apparently Martinez, I don't know why only Aubrey

01:39:33.960 was arrested because it looks like Martinez beat the living hell out of Aubrey. There's another

01:39:38.200 report that's got some of the injuries, but look at this picture. I mean, it's brutal. I don't know

01:39:43.340 exactly why he got arrested and not Martinez, but my point is simply it's not going well. And this

01:39:48.980 is, you know, she's got a child at this point. Then, months later in 2013, Halle Berry and

01:39:56.880 Olivier Martinez confirmed they were expecting a child together. His name is Maceo. I think that's

01:40:01.960 how you pronounce it. And he will become the center of this next custody battle, the one that

01:40:08.300 I'm about to tell you about. Within two years, by 2015, they filed for divorce. It just, it just,

01:40:15.760 It doesn't usually work out when you get together under circumstances like this.

01:40:20.420 And what is happening now with their son has made headlines around the world.

01:40:25.760 Stay tuned.

01:40:26.640 That's next.

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01:40:57.300 okay so we were going through the holly berry saga um where she was leaving the first husband

01:41:10.340 She got together with Olivier. Now they're breaking up in 2015. And it was it too was a tumultuous breakup that did not go easily. The reporting was that they had a legal fight over the custody. It was not resolved until another eight years.

01:41:33.160 So it took until 2023.

01:41:35.860 And finally, they resolved the custody and child support issues.

01:41:38.980 Nearly eight years after filing for divorce, they agreed to joint custody. 0.71

01:41:42.540 Holly Berry was ordered to pay $8,000 per month in child support,

01:41:46.060 plus 4.3% of her income above $2 million and various education slash health expenses.

01:41:54.400 So she clearly was the primary wage earner and was supporting Olivier.

01:41:59.700 well, I mean, it was child support, but it goes into the pocket of the other parent. And you will

01:42:05.720 hear later, she was rather bitter about that fact. Usually goes the other way around, but she

01:42:12.400 happened to be the bigger star. Um, her, okay. So here's what happened on October 2nd. I think it 0.99

01:42:20.640 was Friday, October 2nd, her ex Olivier filed a temporary restraining order against her. It's a

01:42:26.600 motion for a TRO, asking a judge to sign this thing and give instant relief because there's

01:42:33.780 some sort of an emergency, you claim. He alleged that she had abused their then 12-year-old son.

01:42:40.460 I think he just turned 13. He alleged that Halle Berry physically abused their son,

01:42:46.400 I guess it's Maceo, my team tells me, by jumping on him, putting her hands around his neck,

01:42:51.260 and choking him the previous Saturday.

01:42:55.020 He claimed Maceo called him and called Hallie

01:42:57.720 and claimed Hallie had physically attacked him

01:43:01.440 and put him in a chokehold saying,

01:43:04.080 this is not an isolated incident

01:43:05.620 and there have been, quote, previous attacks.

01:43:08.280 On the same day, Olivier claimed

01:43:10.580 Hallie threatened to have their son deported to France

01:43:13.640 by asking what Maceo is going to do, quote,

01:43:16.600 as a black man to protect her from being robbed by Olivier 1.00

01:43:20.980 who Olivier claims Holly called, quote, a white bitch. 1.00

01:43:28.280 She called Olivier a white bitch. 0.99

01:43:30.600 The filing also mentions that they were home with her boyfriend, Van Hunt. 1.00

01:43:34.540 That's the one who she's doing all these inappropriate sexual posts with.

01:43:37.520 And Maceo was playing a virtual reality game with goggles in his bedroom 1.00

01:43:42.460 when Holly allegedly entered the room in a rage 1.00

01:43:45.040 and said that Maceo looks so stupid and is, quote, 1.00

01:43:49.680 such an idiot for playing the game. The situation allegedly escalated from there when Olivier 1.00

01:43:55.040 claims Holly jumped on Maceo and started physically fighting with him. He says she grabbed Maceo by 0.76

01:44:01.600 the neck and started choking him while shouting, who is dominant now? The proposed temporary 0.89

01:44:08.720 restraining order stated that, tried to impose this requirement, that Halle Berry must not drink

01:44:15.360 or be under the influence of alcohol or other substances in the presence of their son

01:44:19.600 and must undergo sobriety testing before, during, or after any visitation.

01:44:25.380 Hallie allegedly texted, by the way, that piece of the TRO would be denied,

01:44:29.600 as would any TRO governing her contact with her son,

01:44:33.200 but they entered one keeping her away from Olivier.

01:44:36.340 Hallie allegedly texted Olivier the next day saying,

01:44:39.100 quote, I feel terrible about what happened last night, as I know he does as well.

01:44:43.260 The filing references specifically what those alleged past incidents were, saying that five years ago, Halle Berry allegedly struck the child in the face.

01:44:53.580 Well, she says struck him.

01:44:56.140 Forgive me.

01:44:56.460 I don't know if she if he means the child or him, Olivier.

01:44:59.960 About 10 years ago, Olivier claims Halle had a violent outburst throwing a plate with a knife and a fork on top. 0.99

01:45:06.760 And in 2023, while discussing child support, she told Maceo that Olivier was, quote, again, a white bitch robbing money from a black woman. 0.98

01:45:16.720 So you can see that that child support got to her. 0.99

01:45:21.900 He wants sole custody of their son now.

01:45:24.220 He wants the court to force her to stay away from him and the son.

01:45:28.060 He did say he wanted the son to have a relationship with her, but that the son needed space after the alleged violent incident.

01:45:34.940 that Barry and Martinez have been ordered to participate in a confidential mediation.

01:45:39.400 He provided the texts between himself and Holly Berry, where he writes to her, allegedly,

01:45:48.080 Maceo just asked me to pick him up now. Are you okay with it? She writes, no, I'm not okay with

01:45:52.620 it. He wants to fight his mother. What kind of a kid are we raising? As a father, ask him what

01:45:56.780 kind of kid he is. I'm his mother. He writes something like, I don't know what's happening

01:46:01.220 there. What I know is you fight too much with him and since a while now. So you keep him at your

01:46:07.320 place, even if he doesn't want to stay. She writes back, this is wrong, Olivier. I'm his mother and

01:46:12.980 this is wrong. He had no respect for his mother and this should not be okay for you as his father.

01:46:17.820 I'm a mother who is here logged, who works to pay you. And this is not okay. And you know it.

01:46:24.020 He's disrespectful to me. He feels I have no say on anything. I'm just money bags. This is wrong

01:46:29.140 and wrong. Olivier, I've reached out to Maceo and asked to speak with him. I know you very much think

01:46:34.700 he makes his own decisions, but I would really appreciate it if you would encourage him to speak

01:46:38.100 with me today. I feel terrible about what happened last night, as I know he does as well. So that's

01:46:44.400 where things stood. And then the fight moved to, will they allow Maceo to testify in court

01:46:57.160 hold on. I'm trying to find today's packet, you guys. I can't find it. Can you see if I left it

01:47:03.740 upstairs? Sorry, because it's got all the stuff on what happened in court today in there, and I must

01:47:08.940 have left it someplace. This is what I put my poor team through. Find the packet somewhere. Anyway,

01:47:14.840 here's what happened. First, she went in and she tried to prevent Maceo from taking the stand at

01:47:21.520 all. She argued that it would be inappropriate and that he should not take the stand, and she said,

01:47:27.160 that he couldn't be trusted. She alleged that he couldn't be trusted. By the way, her team also

01:47:34.120 said that those allegations in Olivier's filing were total and other bullshit. Her team was very 0.99

01:47:42.700 angry about those assertions and said, Holly's not violent, but this guy, Olivier, has a history

01:47:50.000 of it. Um, so they said they didn't want him to be allowed to take the stand, but the judge

01:47:57.860 ordered that he could take the stand and he has just taken the stand. Yeah. Thank you, Kayla.

01:48:03.920 Um, okay. So he was ordered to take the stand. Um, Holly denied before all of this,

01:48:11.660 that she hurt their son. She, uh, she says Maceo has quote, a personal interest in minimizing his

01:48:19.120 own conduct and shifting responsibility to others, arguing that the court cannot necessarily assume

01:48:24.200 his account is reliable. She goes on to say that she's been concerned for years that Olivier was

01:48:28.880 getting their son involved in adult arguments, claiming their dynamic has caused her to be the

01:48:32.860 rule enforcer, while Olivier gets to be the chill parent. This is a common complaint amongst the

01:48:38.280 parent who has to be, quote, the bad guy, which she says Maceo views her as, given Olivier's playing

01:48:44.440 the good guy for allowing the child greater autonomy. So the court sided with Olivier

01:48:50.020 allowing the son to testify. Now, Olivier submitted a picture of Halle Berry that he

01:48:57.360 says corroborates accusations she abused their 13-year-old son. And we have the picture.

01:49:03.180 Let's look at it. Okay, it looks, it's Halle Berry with a very bad haircut. And she does look 1.00

01:49:11.580 angry,

01:49:14.200 she looks angry. 0.99

01:49:16.220 And she's standing there

01:49:17.360 on what looks like

01:49:18.100 kind of a tank top

01:49:19.300 with her hands in her pockets

01:49:21.940 and just a 1.00

01:49:23.760 kind of nasty expression 1.00

01:49:25.840 on her face.

01:49:26.640 And we are told

01:49:27.580 that this son was taken of her

01:49:28.780 by her own,

01:49:29.680 this picture was taken of her

01:49:30.860 by her own son.

01:49:33.060 That he took this picture

01:49:34.860 quote,

01:49:37.160 during the aftermath

01:49:38.080 of the recent incident

01:49:39.500 in which she allegedly choked him.

01:49:41.580 that Olivia Martinez subsequently alleged that he took the photo of her, quote,

01:49:46.920 because he has been roughed up before, but, quote, no one believed him.

01:49:55.720 That's where things stood until he took the witness stand.

01:50:00.700 But I should just tell you first that Halle Berry's team said this filing,

01:50:05.200 all these claims by Olivia, entirely meritless, deliberately misleading,

01:50:09.860 would be an understatement.

01:50:11.720 There's voluminous evidence,

01:50:13.100 including numerous judicial rulings

01:50:14.800 that Olivier Martinez repeatedly violated court orders,

01:50:18.860 interfered with necessary therapeutic

01:50:20.480 and educational interventions

01:50:21.780 to the detriment of his and Halle Berry's minor son,

01:50:25.520 misconduct for which he's been legally sanctioned,

01:50:28.660 and saying that this is an individual

01:50:30.280 with a well-documented history

01:50:31.880 of erratic, possessive, and violent behavior.

01:50:34.760 And then we look back at that Thanksgiving 2012 brawl

01:50:37.540 he had with Hallie's then-boyfriend and father of her first child, Gabriel Aubrey.

01:50:42.720 In that incident, Gabriel claimed Olivier threatened to kill him,

01:50:45.820 attacked him during a custody dispute,

01:50:48.020 accused him of slamming Aubrey's head against the concrete driveway.

01:50:52.620 He said, I suffered numerous injuries as a result of the attack,

01:50:55.400 thanks to Olivier Martinez, including a fractured rib,

01:50:58.420 multiple bruises on my face, and a number of cuts, which required stitches.

01:51:02.700 We have a picture of him after that 2012 incident.

01:51:06.140 So things got violent. And Halle Berry's team is saying if anybody's violent, it's the French actor. It's not Halle Berry. OK, you're still with me. Now we get to today and an extraordinary moment. I mean, this is like we have so much information about what went down here. It's very bizarre.

01:51:22.720 What you really have is one of Hollywood's best-known actresses being accused of being a domestic abuser of her child, literally trying to choke him to the point where the son was so scared, he whipped out a camera and took a picture of his mother, immediately called the dad and said, please pick me up, and I don't want to be around her anymore.

01:51:40.460 That's the allegation, which she thoroughly denies, but that's where we are.

01:51:45.860 So here's what happened.

01:51:47.780 Um, the headline at a page six on Monday, Maceo 13 testifies for nearly four hours during icy

01:51:56.580 court hearing with Olivier Martinez. The 13 year old son of Halle Berry and ex Olivier Martinez

01:52:02.420 testified for nearly four hours Monday in a court hearing regarding the DV domestic violence

01:52:06.960 restraining order request. Um, the hearing was described as quote, icy. Uh, she appeared to

01:52:15.320 glare. He appeared to glare at Barry, Olivia Martinez, as he arrived. She returned the look.

01:52:22.160 Judge Shelley Kaufman began the proceeding by calling Maceo to the stand. She ordered everyone

01:52:26.200 out of the courtroom to ensure the testimony would remain sealed. The child was dressed

01:52:31.600 casually in a graphic t-shirt, shorts, and Crocs on the stand for four hours again. During the

01:52:36.140 break for lunch, he appeared comfortable and happy. His lawyer, Martinez's lawyer, said,

01:52:40.940 Olivier is a great loving father, very caring, only wants what's best for his son.

01:52:44.900 Maceo did not engage with his mother, Halle Berry, at all while at court.

01:52:49.920 On day two of the hearing, they both arrived, Olivier and Halle.

01:52:54.300 They're both 60, photographed arriving separately for this custody hearing.

01:53:00.100 And let's see, they're just recapping that Martinez has alleged instances of abuse over

01:53:08.100 the course of the last few years.

01:53:09.340 Barry caused him emotional and mental distress due to the physical abuse of our minor child,

01:53:14.180 Maceo. Again, who's dominant now? Who's dominant? I'm just moneybags. He's disrespectful to me.

01:53:23.020 And then the final, I feel terrible about what happened last night. So clearly she's

01:53:26.360 acknowledging something happened. She didn't want him to testify as a mention because she

01:53:31.000 thought he'd be coached and manipulated. Then comes Van Hunt, the current boyfriend,

01:53:36.400 who, by the way, you know, as I've been telling you,

01:53:39.020 Holly Berry has this thing about getting like overly sexual 0.99

01:53:41.880 in her descriptions of her life,

01:53:44.160 of her products that she's always hawking.

01:53:46.240 And it's because somebody accused her,

01:53:49.040 some woman went on a podcast and said

01:53:51.080 she knew Holly Berry's ex 0.70

01:53:52.920 and that she knew Holly Berry was bored, 0.99

01:53:55.700 sorry, boring in bed.

01:53:58.660 And I'm telling you, ever since that moment, 0.99

01:54:01.120 this woman has been doing everything within her power 1.00

01:54:03.380 to prove to the world that she's a sex kitten. 1.00

01:54:06.100 It's ridiculous. And even last week, this is a picture of the two of them in bed. She's pumping lube. She was pushing lube on us. 0.99

01:54:16.360 Holly Berry. All right. And like overtly sexual, like pictures of herself and videos to promote her campaigns and so on. 0.71

01:54:24.700 And then just what was it, Deb, two weeks ago, she posted a picture of Van. I don't know what this was for.

01:54:31.540 it was in August for her 60th birthday and we blurred it but this is Van with his very large 0.98

01:54:39.280 ass fully on display swimming in her pool we blurred the ass crack I guess this is the line 0.98

01:54:46.240 we've decided to draw on the mk show you can see the right cheek in the left but the the line down 0.97

01:54:53.880 the middle was a bridge too far. So, but who does this? Who posts a picture of their, their loved

01:55:03.380 one's ass? Well, Van was at the house during the night of the incident and he filed a declaration. 0.99

01:55:10.540 He claims in it that Barry had shouted in this confrontation with her son, so you're going to

01:55:18.080 fight me now? After he allegedly resisted her demands to remove his Oculus virtual reality

01:55:23.680 headset. He said the teen aggressively resisted when she tried to take the device off of him,

01:55:28.380 then threw it and shoved his mother, prompting him, Van, to intervene. He described Barry and

01:55:34.900 Maceo as yelling at each other and being on the verge of tears before the boy began calling his

01:55:39.100 father and packing his clothes. Let's see. Barry temporarily lost 50-50 custody of the son on

01:55:47.400 October 1st in the wake of this incident. She has been allowed to see him only during court-ordered

01:55:51.520 visitation two days a week and every other weekend. According to Van Hunt, Martinez has been

01:55:57.720 emboldened, but he has emboldened the boy by giving him too much control over his own life.

01:56:04.020 He claimed that when she went into the room, he heard her say Maceo, to which the boy gave a

01:56:10.640 monotone reply of yeah. Soon after Maceo called out Hunt's name playfully, which he took to mean

01:56:15.600 his mother was tickling him, Hunt claims. But then Hunt heard Barry tell Maceo twice,

01:56:20.400 you don't have anything to prove. The second time with a pleading in her voice that made

01:56:24.000 him, Hunt, enter the room. He added, Hallie instructed Maceo to remove the oculus and

01:56:29.060 asked, so you're going to fight me now? Maceo ignored her. She reached to remove the headset

01:56:34.020 from his head, but Maceo aggressively resisted, then threw off the headset himself and shoved 0.87

01:56:38.560 Hallie. I immediately jumped in between them, claims Van. They started yelling at each other

01:56:43.280 with me standing between them. Maceo began threatening to call Olivier. This is the first

01:56:48.060 time he ever heard Maceo make such a threat. I could see they were both on the verge of tears.

01:56:53.540 Martinez arrived, took the boy away. Two days later, the boy came back. At this point,

01:57:00.320 their interactions were normal, positive, and loving. He says that Barry and Martinez have

01:57:05.500 long argued over how to best attend Maceo's educational and mental health needs, which

01:57:10.460 include behavioral challenges and impulse control issues. Quote, I've never witnessed Hallie choke 0.61

01:57:15.040 Maceo, place him in a headlock, put her hands around his neck, restrict his breathing, force

01:57:19.040 him to tap out or make statements such as who is dominant now, a reference to Olivier's claims.

01:57:25.660 So her boyfriend is backing her to no one's surprise. This is so ugly. This, you know,

01:57:33.660 you thought the first thing was ugly where the current boyfriend, Olivier Martinez, was beating

01:57:37.880 the hell out of Nala's father.

01:57:42.460 I mean, and then she gets together with Olivier Martinez, possibly in a cheating situation.

01:57:49.380 And it takes eight years for them to come up with a custody agreement on their child.

01:57:55.200 So now you got two kids with two different fathers.

01:57:57.640 The first one ends in domestic violence in front of your home and somebody's under arrest.

01:58:03.840 And then the second relationship with the second baby daddy winds up like this, where it takes eight years to come up with an agreement and repeated allegations of domestic violence by Halle Berry, which she denies.

01:58:18.140 And now you got this 13 year old kid who's alleging openly that you tried to choke him out.

01:58:24.000 Something's wrong, Halle.

01:58:25.500 Something's gone really wrong.

01:58:28.060 She wants to put it all on Olivier.

01:58:29.820 I guess she wants to put it all on Aubrey on the first thing or on the son.

01:58:33.240 something's very, very wrong. This is a pattern. And this Olivier is saying it's a pattern

01:58:42.320 that's involved previous instances of violence that we don't know about. So now we finally get

01:58:53.540 to the latest piece, which is today. And there is a report in page six that during the testimony

01:59:03.220 uh holly berry's ex-husband olivier martinez stormed out of court during the closed testimony

01:59:10.660 in their domestic violence restraining order hearing page six can exclusively report that

01:59:14.920 martinez exited the courtroom looking agitated and distressed alongside his lawyer the french

01:59:20.700 actor could be heard using profanity during an animated discussion um regarding testimony made

01:59:27.140 before there was a break to use the restroom.

01:59:33.180 John Hay, a staff member at the school

01:59:35.760 that Maceo attends,

01:59:39.300 was set to testify in closed court on Tuesday.

01:59:41.780 This man previously raised concerns

01:59:43.440 about Maceo's behavior at school,

01:59:45.660 according to a recent court filing.

01:59:47.380 Barry 60 also took the stand on Tuesday.

01:59:50.160 Martinez is scheduled to testify as well.

01:59:53.960 The judge agreed to close the courtroom

01:59:56.120 during any testimony involving the minor child.

01:59:59.280 They've maintained their distance

02:00:00.840 throughout their court appearances

02:00:01.960 with both trading colds glares on Monday.

02:00:05.320 Maceo testified in person for nearly four hours

02:00:07.500 on the first day of the hearing

02:00:08.420 and Barry's 18-year-old daughter, Nala,

02:00:11.100 is set to testify later this week.

02:00:16.180 Nala previously came to her mother's defense

02:00:18.900 claiming in a court declaration 0.99

02:00:20.100 she had never seen my mom hit, slap, choke, grab,

02:00:22.720 or physically abuse Maceo in any way.

02:00:26.120 So, all of this leaves us not knowing exactly who did what to whom, but it's clear the son

02:00:34.660 is claiming she mistreated him and obviously took the stand and said that. We don't have

02:00:41.200 the public access to his testimony, but all of Olivier Martinez's information comes from the son.

02:00:47.320 And clearly, the child wants to be with the father and not with Halle Berry.

02:00:52.040 Her relationship with the daughter appears intact,

02:00:54.100 and the daughter's backing her in this case.

02:00:56.860 But this is such a travesty.

02:00:59.460 This is just so sad.

02:01:01.780 You know, I always go back to Judge Judy's,

02:01:03.900 you should love your child more than you hate your ex.

02:01:06.880 And obviously, there was a meltdown in the room that night

02:01:09.140 between Halle Berry and Maceo

02:01:11.180 that involved some sort of physical confrontation,

02:01:13.660 which is not great.

02:01:17.200 I mean, a lot of people spank their children.

02:01:21.180 When they're 13, like a physical confrontation between mother and son, that's weird.

02:01:26.960 That's just odd, especially like a larger boy, and you go over and try to whip the headset off

02:01:31.960 of him, which appears to be Van's testimonial. At a minimum, she went over and tried to whip

02:01:37.340 that headset off of him. You're playing with fire. Like discipline does have to change when

02:01:42.660 a child gets to be a teenager and larger and also more in control of their bodies and their

02:01:50.420 independence. We never hit our kids. I don't believe in hitting. I was hit many times. So

02:01:54.380 it's not like I love my mom. She was a loving parent. So I'm not judgmental of people who use

02:01:59.640 it sparingly and without actually hurting a child. But I can't say I favor it at all. I just think

02:02:06.420 you can discipline a child in many other ways where they get the message without actually

02:02:10.420 hurting them. Whatever. She's got her hands on him by Van's testimonial and by the son's

02:02:17.460 testimonial, she's actually choking him. She doesn't appear to be able to regulate her feelings 0.99

02:02:22.880 very well. And it tracks with the weirdness of the overly sexual behavior for the past few years

02:02:31.960 after that comment and some of her language around this whole thing. And even her own text

02:02:38.400 seems to confirm that she did something that she was sorry about. He doesn't sound so great either,

02:02:44.740 the French ex-husband.

02:02:46.260 I don't know what his story is either,

02:02:47.660 but I just think it's so sad.

02:02:49.480 It's sad for the child.

02:02:50.800 And it got me thinking because I saw a clip

02:02:53.340 the other day of Gwen Stefani's ex.

02:03:00.860 Gavin Rossdale is his name.

02:03:02.820 And when they were married, they were everywhere.

02:03:04.720 They were all over the trade rags.

02:03:06.560 It's like madly in love and look at this relationship

02:03:09.440 and hashtag goals.

02:03:10.860 and he gave an interview i wasn't familiar with the podcaster and listen to what he said about

02:03:18.300 the current state of his relationship with his now ex-wife gwen stefani yeah it was beautiful

02:03:24.820 i mean we it was it was great um she was an amazing girlfriend so i learned a lot um mainly

02:03:32.200 mainly sort of a lot of kindness um she was very much on that that side of life where i was a bit

02:03:38.040 more um abrasive probably um when i met her so she was a a breath of kindness do you have a

02:03:45.400 relationship with her because obviously she's the mother of your kids yeah no no no we don't we

02:03:49.000 don't really we don't no it's just uh no that's a that's an impasse that's a chasm that's a wide

02:03:53.600 chasm so not even if with the younger one who's 12 like oh i'm gonna go pick him up like you

02:03:57.520 wouldn't know we have a we have a certain person for that and so we we go between so we go between

02:04:01.640 um it's it's not how i would have it but it's it's how it is and you accept that it you know

02:04:07.480 it's it's that's that's how it is obviously it's two to tango so if one person doesn't want to

02:04:12.140 tango yeah yeah well the other one's left just kind of standing there aren't they so but i mean

02:04:17.300 it's a bit of shame sometimes because the kids are so incredible to uh that is a drag to not

02:04:22.800 sort of be able to share that yeah it is a drag you can't force yourself to have a modicum of

02:04:31.120 respect for your ex to where there can be a parent to parent transfer or you could be in the same

02:04:37.460 room together. I mean, how bad would it have to be? These people have everything that, you know,

02:04:43.240 it's like he's, he's in that band Bush. She's obviously been in no doubt now as a solo career

02:04:49.080 for a long time. She's remarried to Blake Shelton. They have more money than God. She's had tons of

02:04:54.780 work done. She looks spectacular. They, they, they have, I'm sure well over a hundred million 0.75

02:05:01.080 dollars, both of them. And you can't get your shit together enough just to have like, again, 0.92

02:05:09.600 a modicum of respect for your ex to the point where you're not telegraphing to your children 1.00

02:05:15.860 who you made together that this person is the devil to me, that they're so abhorrent and hateful. 0.75

02:05:22.220 I can't even have 10 seconds in a hallway with them. 0.68

02:05:27.420 And God only knows what preceded that, right?

02:05:29.980 Like if you're at that point when you're divorced,

02:05:32.620 what the hell did the children witness

02:05:34.200 as the marriage was breaking down?

02:05:36.520 I am sorry, but if you have an unhappy marriage

02:05:39.500 and you can't stand your spouse,

02:05:43.460 don't argue in front of your kids. 1.00

02:05:47.020 That's a form of torture for them.

02:05:49.620 They love both of you.

02:05:52.220 Keep it together until you can get in the privacy of your bedroom or take a walk together.

02:05:58.560 Do some parenting.

02:06:00.700 Do some caring for the little ones you brought into this world,

02:06:04.260 even in your angry, especially in your angriest moments.

02:06:07.820 So they don't need to be witness to that.

02:06:09.240 They have their own pressures and stresses and problems.

02:06:13.340 It's just so cruel.

02:06:14.720 What do you mean you can't?

02:06:16.200 I'm not blaming him solely.

02:06:17.440 I'm blaming her too.

02:06:18.300 Gwen Stefani and Gavin Rosdale.

02:06:20.260 Like, come on.

02:06:21.880 And I can't help but look at, you know, her situation.

02:06:24.780 Maybe, Gwen, you didn't need another season on The Voice.

02:06:28.220 Maybe you could have been at home working on your marriage and your relationship with your children.

02:06:33.060 Or coming up with some decency toward their father so that they don't have this discomfort being shuttled between, like, there's some embassy between the two of them where a diplomat has got to take them from A to B.

02:06:44.860 And then, you know, back to the Halle Berry thing.

02:06:46.800 Like, she can't get along with anybody.

02:06:49.320 Right?

02:06:49.720 It's like the first thing ended badly, domestic violence out in front of her house.

02:06:54.400 And now this ends badly to the point where it's going on for years.

02:06:58.340 Now she's involved in a physical altercation with her 13-year-old son who wants out of her house and says she choked him.

02:07:05.060 She denies.

02:07:06.040 This is like not everybody should have children.

02:07:10.040 Truly, not everybody is together enough, is healthy enough.

02:07:14.920 It's very actually tragic that just anybody is allowed to have a child.

02:07:18.160 We have to go to the DMV to get a license, a driver's license.

02:07:21.620 You have to turn 21 before they'll let you drink booze. 0.88

02:07:25.140 But anybody can reproduce and bring a child into this world. 0.96

02:07:30.260 It's really sick. 1.00

02:07:32.540 And once you do it, you have an obligation to actually parent that person

02:07:36.160 and be a decent person around that person's other parent.

02:07:41.780 While you may hate your ex-spouse, I guarantee you your child probably doesn't.

02:07:48.160 And you don't want to treat that person like they're a leper.

02:07:51.260 Just makes things tougher on the kid.

02:07:53.080 Divorce is hard enough on the kid. 0.98

02:07:56.560 Ask Dr. Laura. 0.95

02:07:57.420 She talks about this all the time.

02:07:59.020 A wonderful listen on SiriusXM Triumph Channel.

02:08:03.460 So anyway, it's a long, deep dive into the problems of Halle Berry, which have been coming

02:08:09.080 at us like a freight train now for a good 10 years.

02:08:12.580 And we'll see how this latest hearing works out.

02:08:16.640 really hope these parents, especially these Hollywood ones, who have all the resources

02:08:20.340 and advantages in the world, do better. Tomorrow, a deep dive into the Russell brand rape trial

02:08:29.420 happening now in the UK. I have been following it very closely. We will have everything you

02:08:34.860 need to know. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS,

02:08:39.400 no agenda, and no fear.

02:08:46.640 Thank you.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 21, 2026

Prince Harry's New UK Grift, with Piers Morgan, Plus Ilhan Omar's Mysterious Millions, and the Amy Acton Mom Ad Drama ｜ Ep.1423

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