The Megyn Kelly Show - February 02, 2026


Trump's Warning After Weekend of Anti-ICE Riots, Landmark ＂Trans＂ Malpractice Verdict： AM Update 2⧸2


Episode Stats

Length

20 minutes

Words per Minute

161.13216

Word Count

3,319

Sentence Count

195

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

7


Summary

Thousands take to the streets this weekend in cities large and small across the country, part of a so-called "National Shutdown" in protest of ICE agents using tear gas and pepper balls on anti-ICE protesters. In a landmark verdict, a jury finds two doctors liable for malpractice tied to a double mastectomy performed on a 16-year-old in a first-of-its-kind detransitioner case. We talk to the only journalist in the courtroom for the entire trial.


Transcript

00:00:00.920 Olivia loves a challenge.
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00:00:30.000 Good morning, everyone.
00:00:33.860 I'm Megyn Kelly.
00:00:34.860 It's Monday, February 2nd, 2026.
00:00:37.400 And this is your AM Update.
00:00:39.360 If they do anything bad to our people,
00:00:41.760 they will be, they will have to suffer.
00:00:44.160 President Trump with a stern message
00:00:45.780 for anti-ice agitators
00:00:47.560 after thousands take to the streets
00:00:49.580 from coast to coast.
00:00:51.140 I have spent my entire career covering the news.
00:00:54.420 I will not stop now.
00:00:57.040 A narcissistic, loving every minute
00:01:00.040 of his newfound infamy, Don Lemon,
00:01:03.060 released on his own recognizance
00:01:04.560 without entering a plea following his arrest
00:01:06.840 for alleged Face Act and Klan Act violations.
00:01:10.760 And in a landmark verdict,
00:01:12.840 a jury finds two doctors liable for medical malpractice
00:01:16.520 tied to a double mastectomy
00:01:18.280 performed on a 16-year-old
00:01:20.500 in a first-of-its-kind detransitioner case.
00:01:23.600 We talked to the only journalist in the courtroom
00:01:26.200 for the entire trial.
00:01:27.680 All that and more coming up in just a moment
00:01:29.720 on your AM Update.
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00:02:38.720 Thousands taking to the street this weekend
00:02:42.880 in cities large and small across the country,
00:02:45.460 part of a so-called national shutdown,
00:02:47.820 urging anti-ice activists to skip school,
00:02:51.080 stop shopping,
00:02:52.000 and for the few who actually have jobs,
00:02:54.680 to leave work.
00:02:56.040 In Los Angeles,
00:02:57.060 thousands turning out during the day on Friday,
00:02:59.140 chanting and marching with signs reading,
00:03:01.260 abolish ice and ice out of LA.
00:03:03.800 By nightfall,
00:03:04.960 the protests devolving into violence.
00:03:07.260 Agitators gathering outside
00:03:09.500 of the Edward R. Roybal Federal Building
00:03:12.320 in downtown LA,
00:03:13.880 throwing objects at federal agents,
00:03:15.620 guarding the facility,
00:03:16.640 and vandalizing the building,
00:03:18.480 because nothing says peaceful protest
00:03:20.580 like trying to hurt a federal agent.
00:03:23.140 Social media video showing a group of agitators
00:03:25.580 dragging a dumpster in front of a loading dock
00:03:27.860 as federal agents deployed tear gas and pepper balls
00:03:30.900 in an effort to disperse the crowd.
00:03:33.020 The LAPD also there,
00:03:34.960 declaring a tactical alert,
00:03:36.320 ordering officers to remain on duty
00:03:38.480 regardless of scheduled shift-end times.
00:03:41.540 Police say eight people were arrested,
00:03:43.520 six for failure to disperse,
00:03:45.100 one for assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer,
00:03:48.120 and one for a curfew violation.
00:03:50.560 On Saturday,
00:03:51.280 the unrest flaring up again,
00:03:53.260 rioters clashing with police,
00:03:54.920 this time leading to dozens of arrests.
00:03:56.960 Back in Minneapolis,
00:03:59.120 ground zero for anti-ice agitation
00:04:01.200 in the wake of two fatal January confrontations
00:04:03.840 with ice officers,
00:04:05.640 Bruce Springsteen on Friday night
00:04:07.420 making a surprise appearance at a rally,
00:04:10.280 playing his truly terrible melodramatic anthem
00:04:13.300 titled Streets of Minneapolis.
00:04:15.560 And there were bloody footprints
00:04:19.360 Where mercy should have stood
00:04:24.360 Two dead left to die on snow-filled streets
00:04:30.020 Alex Brady and Renee Good
00:04:33.620 Was Renee Good showing mercy
00:04:37.560 when she almost ran over an ICE agent,
00:04:40.260 Bruce?
00:04:41.260 Friday night in Eugene, Oregon,
00:04:43.160 local police declaring a riot,
00:04:45.100 which effectively recognizes an event
00:04:47.000 as an unlawful assembly,
00:04:48.800 after agitators there breached a federal building.
00:04:52.040 Despite their riot declaration,
00:04:53.640 the locals apparently did nothing
00:04:55.340 to contain the crowd.
00:04:57.040 As in other cities,
00:04:58.280 the day starting off uneventfully
00:04:59.900 with tensions building as nightfall came.
00:05:02.820 Protesters banging on the doors of the building
00:05:04.580 where ICE agents waited inside.
00:05:07.340 The feds deploying tear gas to pushback rioters,
00:05:10.320 reports Oregon Public Broadcasting.
00:05:12.920 Eugene police were on the scene,
00:05:14.660 though according to Chief Chris Skinner,
00:05:16.980 local police, quote,
00:05:18.040 did not use any munitions.
00:05:20.520 It's unclear if there were any arrests,
00:05:22.680 but the event leading to a lengthy
00:05:24.240 Truth Social post from President Trump,
00:05:26.600 quote,
00:05:27.380 Last night in Eugene, Oregon,
00:05:28.860 these criminals broke into a federal building
00:05:31.300 and did great damage,
00:05:33.100 also scaring and harassing
00:05:34.760 the hardworking employees.
00:05:36.760 The post continuing, quote,
00:05:38.080 local police did nothing in order to stop it.
00:05:40.980 We will not let that happen anymore.
00:05:43.540 The president revealing that he has, quote,
00:05:45.520 instructed Kristi Noem
00:05:46.820 that under no circumstances
00:05:48.400 are we going to participate
00:05:49.880 in various poorly run Democrat cities
00:05:52.620 with regard to their protests and or riots
00:05:55.540 unless and until they ask us for help.
00:05:58.860 Noting he expects to first hear the word please.
00:06:02.660 Mr. Trump adding that the feds, quote,
00:06:04.920 will, however, guard and very powerfully
00:06:07.560 any federal buildings that are being attacked
00:06:10.420 by these highly paid lunatics,
00:06:12.700 agitators and insurrectionists.
00:06:15.100 Mr. Trump expanding on consequences
00:06:17.120 for agitators who attack federal property
00:06:19.440 and agents late Saturday night
00:06:21.140 on Air Force One.
00:06:22.220 Mr. President, back to your post on ICE protests,
00:06:25.440 what did you mean when you said
00:06:26.660 people will suffer an equal or greater consequence?
00:06:29.920 If they do anything bad to our people,
00:06:32.240 they will be, they will have to suffer.
00:06:34.680 I'm sorry.
00:06:35.480 If they start spitting in people's faces,
00:06:39.220 punching our people,
00:06:40.860 punching our soldiers, our patriots,
00:06:43.120 they will get taken care of
00:06:46.000 in at least an equal way.
00:06:47.860 But they're not going to do that like,
00:06:50.920 you know, you see it,
00:06:52.020 the way they treat our people.
00:06:53.860 And I said, you're allowed,
00:06:54.920 if somebody does that,
00:06:56.200 you can do something back.
00:06:57.500 You're not going to stand there and take it.
00:07:00.000 If somebody spits in your face,
00:07:02.160 that will not be a pleasant thing
00:07:03.980 for the person that spits.
00:07:05.160 We're not letting people spit in our soldiers' face
00:07:08.800 as they stand at attention
00:07:10.500 and they're not allowed to do anything.
00:07:12.040 If they throw bricks at a car
00:07:14.200 and, you know, one of our vehicles
00:07:16.400 and our very expensive vehicles,
00:07:18.740 they're going to be bent
00:07:19.740 with very, very serious force.
00:07:23.480 YouTube host Don Lemon
00:07:25.140 appearing in a federal courthouse
00:07:26.940 in Los Angeles on Friday afternoon.
00:07:29.840 Lemon arrested overnight on Friday
00:07:31.420 on two charges
00:07:32.280 in relation to his participation
00:07:33.880 in a January 18th riot,
00:07:36.500 disrupting a religious service
00:07:37.900 at a Christian church in St. Paul.
00:07:40.580 In the courtroom,
00:07:41.160 Lemon wearing the same cream-colored suit
00:07:43.500 he wore at a pre-Grammys party
00:07:45.580 the night before,
00:07:46.740 he was arrested at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
00:07:49.780 Upon entering the courtroom,
00:07:51.180 Lemon reportedly making eye contact
00:07:53.040 with supporter L.A. Mayor Karen Bass,
00:07:56.080 who winked at him.
00:07:57.860 Prosecutors requesting a $100,000 bond
00:08:00.760 and requesting to limit Lemon's travel
00:08:02.900 to Minneapolis and New York.
00:08:05.140 Defense attorney Marilyn Bednarski
00:08:07.320 arguing her client is not a flight risk,
00:08:09.200 calling him, quote,
00:08:10.240 one of the most well-known figures
00:08:12.580 in the world.
00:08:14.200 Is he?
00:08:15.540 Magistrate Judge Patricia Donahue
00:08:17.340 denying both requests from prosecutors,
00:08:20.120 even agreeing to allow Lemon
00:08:21.460 to travel overseas this summer
00:08:23.380 for what he called
00:08:24.560 his annual trip to France.
00:08:27.360 The proceeding lasting about 30 minutes,
00:08:29.400 with Lemon released on his own recognizance,
00:08:31.740 and without even entering a plea.
00:08:33.480 So no plea,
00:08:34.880 no bail,
00:08:35.620 winks with the mayor,
00:08:36.860 and permission to jet off to France,
00:08:39.080 just like any accused felon,
00:08:41.120 right?
00:08:42.060 The arraignment now set for February 9th
00:08:44.120 in Minnesota,
00:08:45.280 Lemon speaking to a gaggle of reporters
00:08:47.200 outside the courthouse,
00:08:48.900 thrilled to learn that people are finally
00:08:51.140 mildly interested in him.
00:08:52.740 I have spent my entire career
00:08:54.480 covering the news.
00:08:56.320 I will not stop now.
00:08:59.620 In fact,
00:09:00.860 there is no more important time
00:09:03.500 than right now,
00:09:05.320 this very moment,
00:09:06.840 for a free and independent media
00:09:08.280 that shines a light
00:09:09.660 on the truth
00:09:10.640 and holds those in power accountable.
00:09:12.580 Again,
00:09:13.080 I will not stop now.
00:09:14.600 I will not stop ever.
00:09:16.340 Attorney General Pam Bondi,
00:09:17.820 Saturday on Fox,
00:09:18.800 describing the scene
00:09:20.040 in the church that day
00:09:21.380 and the terror of the people
00:09:23.020 Lemon sought to
00:09:23.900 hold accountable.
00:09:25.560 They all come in,
00:09:26.620 they were caravanning there,
00:09:28.460 cars bumper to bumper,
00:09:29.920 all of them,
00:09:30.600 the nine we indicted,
00:09:31.940 all caravanning together.
00:09:33.700 They storm in that church
00:09:35.400 from all directions,
00:09:37.200 start screaming,
00:09:38.660 chants in unison,
00:09:40.040 horrible chants.
00:09:41.360 One man screams,
00:09:43.080 this ain't the house of God,
00:09:44.860 this is the house of the devil.
00:09:46.700 A little girl later recounted
00:09:49.060 that she thought
00:09:50.060 her mom and dad
00:09:51.040 were going to be killed.
00:09:52.280 Parents were blocked
00:09:53.080 from getting upstairs
00:09:54.020 to get their children
00:09:54.980 out of Sunday school.
00:09:56.480 Some of the lucky women
00:09:57.540 ran out the side door
00:09:58.920 falling on the ice,
00:10:00.600 legs up in the air.
00:10:01.740 One woman hurt her arm
00:10:03.080 so badly
00:10:03.980 she had to go to the hospital.
00:10:05.720 Parishioners were blocked
00:10:06.740 from exiting the church.
00:10:08.100 Don Lemon,
00:10:08.840 on video,
00:10:09.480 blocked one of them,
00:10:10.940 screaming,
00:10:11.580 yelling at the pastor.
00:10:13.240 That's illegal
00:10:14.000 in this country.
00:10:15.300 When we say
00:10:15.720 God bless America,
00:10:16.700 we mean it.
00:10:17.520 We're going to protect America
00:10:18.640 and if you do that
00:10:20.060 in any house of worship
00:10:21.400 in this country,
00:10:22.320 we're going to find you,
00:10:24.020 we're going to indict you,
00:10:25.360 and I'm going to prosecute you.
00:10:27.220 President Trump,
00:10:28.040 Saturday night on Air Force One,
00:10:29.760 responding to the arrest.
00:10:31.020 I don't know anything
00:10:32.560 about the Don Lemon thing,
00:10:33.780 but he's a sleazebag.
00:10:35.360 Everyone's known that.
00:10:36.980 He's a washout.
00:10:37.740 Probably,
00:10:38.540 from his standpoint,
00:10:40.140 the best thing
00:10:40.820 that could happen to him.
00:10:41.700 He's getting,
00:10:42.300 you know,
00:10:42.620 he had no viewers,
00:10:43.780 he had,
00:10:44.300 he was a failure,
00:10:45.120 he was a failed host,
00:10:46.660 and now he's,
00:10:47.440 he's in the news.
00:10:49.060 I didn't know anything about him.
00:10:50.560 Lemon,
00:10:51.020 in addition to allegedly
00:10:52.000 blocking parishioners
00:10:53.220 while yelling
00:10:53.820 at their pastor,
00:10:55.200 disrupted the Sunday service
00:10:56.500 and then refused to leave,
00:10:57.940 even when explicitly told
00:10:59.900 to do so by the pastor,
00:11:01.900 wrongly declaring
00:11:02.580 that the Constitution
00:11:03.380 allows a protest
00:11:04.180 to occur anywhere,
00:11:05.580 at any time,
00:11:06.680 demanding to have
00:11:07.420 his questions answered,
00:11:08.660 and arguing that
00:11:09.380 the churchgoers,
00:11:10.240 whom he later
00:11:11.100 baselessly accused
00:11:12.240 of being white supremacists,
00:11:14.440 needed to be made,
00:11:15.600 quote,
00:11:15.960 uncomfortable
00:11:16.600 because anti-ICE protesters
00:11:18.700 are feeling,
00:11:19.980 quote,
00:11:20.100 upset and angry.
00:11:21.740 As Lemon watched
00:11:22.940 scared congregants
00:11:24.120 rush to their cars
00:11:25.300 once the service
00:11:26.020 had been prematurely
00:11:27.120 terminated,
00:11:28.240 thanks to Lemon
00:11:28.880 and his pals,
00:11:30.260 trying to evade
00:11:31.020 the angry mob inside,
00:11:32.700 he told his audience
00:11:33.520 that,
00:11:33.980 quote,
00:11:34.360 trauma is,
00:11:35.600 quote,
00:11:35.720 what protesting
00:11:36.540 is about.
00:11:38.080 Even the Washington Post
00:11:39.300 in an editorial
00:11:40.100 over the weekend
00:11:40.840 refusing to call Lemon
00:11:42.360 a journalist,
00:11:43.260 instead labeling him
00:11:44.340 an internet provocateur,
00:11:46.860 offering nothing but scorn
00:11:48.140 for his trauma musings,
00:11:50.140 writing,
00:11:50.740 quote,
00:11:51.040 traumatizing children
00:11:52.300 as they practice
00:11:53.200 their faith?
00:11:54.440 That's what it's about?
00:11:56.580 Still,
00:11:57.100 the fired CNN anchor
00:11:58.780 has been capitalizing
00:12:00.360 on the attention,
00:12:01.800 reportedly receiving
00:12:02.660 a standing ovation
00:12:03.760 at a pre-Grammys party
00:12:05.340 on Saturday
00:12:05.960 and hitting the red carpet
00:12:07.720 at the awards show
00:12:08.740 last night.
00:12:10.080 Next up,
00:12:10.620 Lemon's set to appear
00:12:11.580 where else
00:12:12.240 but on Jimmy Kimmel Live
00:12:14.020 tonight.
00:12:14.560 Coming up,
00:12:17.240 a New York jury
00:12:17.940 awards a detransitioner
00:12:19.440 $2 million
00:12:20.360 in a landmark
00:12:21.580 medical malpractice case
00:12:22.980 against so-called
00:12:24.280 gender-affirming care.
00:12:26.180 An exclusive interview
00:12:27.420 with the only reporter
00:12:28.520 to watch the full trial.
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00:13:48.680 In a landmark New York case,
00:13:50.700 a jury awarding
00:13:51.760 a 22-year-old
00:13:52.940 biological woman
00:13:54.060 who for a time
00:13:55.200 declared herself male
00:13:56.640 but later
00:13:57.540 detransitioned
00:13:58.880 $2 million
00:13:59.600 after finding
00:14:00.840 two doctors
00:14:01.540 liable for medical
00:14:02.540 malpractice
00:14:03.300 tied to a double
00:14:04.760 mastectomy
00:14:05.660 performed
00:14:06.160 when the girl
00:14:07.120 was just 16.
00:14:09.240 Jurors were not asked
00:14:10.180 to weigh in
00:14:10.700 on the morality
00:14:11.380 of so-called
00:14:12.100 gender-affirming care,
00:14:14.360 but to decide
00:14:15.100 whether the doctors
00:14:15.900 here met
00:14:16.600 medical standards
00:14:17.420 of care
00:14:17.960 when recommending
00:14:19.000 and performing
00:14:19.820 this permanent
00:14:20.720 and life-altering
00:14:21.820 procedure
00:14:22.560 on the plaintiff
00:14:23.880 Fox Varian.
00:14:25.800 A Westchester County
00:14:26.820 jury finding
00:14:27.540 psychologist
00:14:28.420 Kenneth Einhorn
00:14:29.480 and plastic surgeon
00:14:30.840 Simon Chin
00:14:31.740 liable for
00:14:32.540 medical malpractice
00:14:33.500 for failing
00:14:34.280 to meet
00:14:34.620 the standard
00:14:35.040 of care
00:14:35.480 when approving
00:14:36.140 and carrying
00:14:36.820 out the surgery
00:14:37.580 for Varian.
00:14:39.120 This case
00:14:39.500 marking the first
00:14:40.320 time in the U.S.
00:14:41.780 that a detransitioner
00:14:42.840 has brought
00:14:43.220 a medical malpractice
00:14:44.260 case to a jury
00:14:45.140 and won.
00:14:46.860 Jurors awarding
00:14:47.660 Varian $1.6 million
00:14:49.100 for pain
00:14:49.900 and suffering
00:14:50.400 and an additional
00:14:51.640 $400,000
00:14:52.640 for future
00:14:53.340 medical expenses.
00:14:55.100 In December
00:14:55.520 of 2018
00:14:56.340 at age 15
00:14:58.080 Varian
00:14:58.820 a girl
00:14:59.400 with a number
00:15:00.100 of psychiatric
00:15:00.840 issues
00:15:01.360 including autism
00:15:02.480 told Dr. Einhorn
00:15:04.140 she might be
00:15:05.120 transgender.
00:15:06.660 Soon after
00:15:07.220 she began
00:15:07.820 publicly presenting
00:15:08.780 as a male
00:15:09.320 wearing a chest binder.
00:15:11.280 Nine months later
00:15:12.420 Dr. Einhorn
00:15:13.440 wrote a referral
00:15:14.640 letter
00:15:15.000 for a double
00:15:16.100 mastectomy
00:15:16.960 or so-called
00:15:17.980 top surgery
00:15:18.920 after just
00:15:20.040 two meetings
00:15:20.600 with plastic
00:15:21.140 surgeon
00:15:21.520 Dr. Simon Chin
00:15:22.560 only 11 months
00:15:24.280 after she had
00:15:25.180 first decided
00:15:25.880 to live
00:15:26.580 as a boy
00:15:27.260 Varian's
00:15:28.340 breasts
00:15:28.800 were surgically
00:15:29.840 removed
00:15:30.520 at age 16
00:15:32.220 before she
00:15:33.280 could vote
00:15:33.960 before she
00:15:35.060 could legally
00:15:35.820 have a beer.
00:15:37.740 We spoke
00:15:38.080 exclusively
00:15:38.720 to independent
00:15:39.400 journalist
00:15:39.840 Benjamin Ryan
00:15:40.600 of the
00:15:41.040 Hazard Ratio
00:15:42.000 Substack
00:15:42.580 the only reporter
00:15:43.720 to sit in the
00:15:44.400 courtroom
00:15:44.700 throughout the
00:15:45.200 entire
00:15:45.600 three-week
00:15:46.120 trial.
00:15:47.280 He tells us
00:15:47.900 the defense
00:15:48.480 initially
00:15:49.060 argued
00:15:49.560 there were
00:15:50.220 no firm
00:15:50.800 standards
00:15:51.280 of care
00:15:51.740 in this
00:15:52.200 field.
00:15:53.020 It was very
00:15:53.380 difficult
00:15:53.640 to try
00:15:53.940 to pin
00:15:54.400 down
00:15:54.940 the defendants
00:15:56.500 to try
00:15:56.800 to get
00:15:57.060 them to admit
00:15:57.540 there even
00:15:57.860 was a standard
00:15:58.500 of care.
00:15:59.040 Both of them
00:15:59.440 said well
00:15:59.760 there isn't
00:16:00.300 a standard
00:16:00.680 of care
00:16:01.020 because
00:16:01.340 this is
00:16:01.880 such a
00:16:02.180 novel
00:16:02.480 and experimental
00:16:03.100 treatment
00:16:03.600 giving these
00:16:04.660 mastectomies
00:16:05.360 to minors
00:16:05.880 for gender
00:16:06.340 dysphoria
00:16:06.700 but ultimately
00:16:07.980 they got
00:16:08.400 worn down
00:16:08.900 by the
00:16:09.300 very aggressive
00:16:10.300 bulldog
00:16:10.900 tactics
00:16:11.560 of the
00:16:12.480 plaintiff's
00:16:12.900 attorney
00:16:13.160 whose name
00:16:13.460 is Adam
00:16:13.860 Deutsch
00:16:14.180 he's a
00:16:14.840 personal injury
00:16:15.560 attorney
00:16:16.220 in White
00:16:16.840 Plains
00:16:17.240 and they
00:16:18.080 ultimately
00:16:18.780 admitted
00:16:19.200 that there
00:16:19.560 were some
00:16:20.040 standards
00:16:20.620 that ultimately
00:16:21.840 they did
00:16:22.520 violate
00:16:22.900 and the
00:16:23.860 one thing
00:16:24.260 that they
00:16:24.600 really
00:16:25.140 agreed upon
00:16:26.180 was that
00:16:26.700 a young
00:16:27.580 person
00:16:27.860 before having
00:16:28.820 this type
00:16:29.180 of surgery
00:16:29.540 should have
00:16:29.860 a stable
00:16:30.300 gender identity
00:16:31.080 for at least
00:16:31.600 six months.
00:16:33.040 Six months?
00:16:34.660 This is nuts.
00:16:36.500 Ryan says
00:16:36.940 Dr. Einhorn
00:16:37.740 referred Varian
00:16:38.580 to an
00:16:39.100 LGBTQ clinic
00:16:40.240 in Albany
00:16:40.920 to seek
00:16:41.340 specialty care
00:16:42.240 and at that
00:16:43.320 clinic
00:16:43.680 Varian
00:16:44.320 opened up
00:16:45.120 about how
00:16:45.980 she was
00:16:46.320 really feeling
00:16:47.040 about her
00:16:47.780 identity.
00:16:48.820 The real
00:16:49.200 smoking gun
00:16:49.860 in this case
00:16:50.560 was the fact
00:16:51.360 that the
00:16:51.900 psychologist
00:16:52.360 whose name
00:16:52.820 is Kenneth
00:16:53.160 Einhorn.
00:16:54.220 He was
00:16:54.460 really out
00:16:54.980 of his
00:16:55.200 depth
00:16:55.540 and he
00:16:56.600 acknowledged
00:16:57.140 that he
00:16:57.440 really didn't
00:16:57.820 have expertise
00:16:58.520 in treating
00:16:59.060 transgender
00:16:59.520 young people
00:17:00.200 and so
00:17:01.300 he said
00:17:01.880 to Fox
00:17:02.480 Varian
00:17:02.740 and to
00:17:03.200 her mother
00:17:03.760 you should
00:17:04.240 go to seek
00:17:04.720 specialist
00:17:05.140 transgender
00:17:05.560 care
00:17:06.040 at what's
00:17:06.860 called the
00:17:07.140 Pride Center
00:17:07.760 up in
00:17:08.160 Albany.
00:17:08.620 It was a
00:17:08.740 very long
00:17:09.060 drive.
00:17:09.780 It went
00:17:10.020 there only
00:17:10.260 twice
00:17:10.640 because it
00:17:10.920 was such
00:17:11.140 a burden
00:17:11.440 to get
00:17:11.760 there.
00:17:12.460 But while
00:17:12.780 she was
00:17:13.140 there,
00:17:13.640 this was
00:17:13.920 in July
00:17:14.360 of 2019,
00:17:15.580 four and a
00:17:15.960 half months
00:17:16.480 before the
00:17:17.160 surgery,
00:17:18.020 she told
00:17:18.540 the Pride
00:17:18.920 Center things
00:17:19.480 that she
00:17:19.800 hadn't told
00:17:20.200 her mother
00:17:20.600 and that
00:17:21.020 she really
00:17:21.360 hadn't been
00:17:21.880 honest about
00:17:22.500 with her
00:17:23.100 psychologist.
00:17:24.020 She said
00:17:24.440 that she
00:17:24.760 was unsure
00:17:25.280 about her
00:17:25.700 gender identity
00:17:26.380 and crucially
00:17:27.660 she felt
00:17:28.280 fresher to
00:17:29.040 decide by
00:17:29.780 people all
00:17:30.460 around her.
00:17:31.800 Ryan tells
00:17:32.360 us those
00:17:32.860 comments
00:17:33.320 should have
00:17:34.140 raised some
00:17:34.940 red flags.
00:17:36.260 Kenneth
00:17:36.580 Einhorn,
00:17:37.320 the psychologist,
00:17:38.120 never asked
00:17:38.800 the Pride
00:17:39.200 Center for
00:17:39.720 the notes
00:17:40.180 from those
00:17:40.600 sessions that
00:17:41.280 she went
00:17:41.600 there for.
00:17:42.820 And so that
00:17:43.320 meant she
00:17:43.600 didn't know
00:17:44.120 that she
00:17:44.380 felt this
00:17:44.780 way and
00:17:45.400 that meant
00:17:45.820 that Dr.
00:17:46.360 Chin,
00:17:46.880 the plastic
00:17:47.220 surgeon,
00:17:47.780 never heard
00:17:48.160 about it
00:17:48.520 either.
00:17:48.860 And Dr.
00:17:50.060 Chin testified
00:17:50.700 that having
00:17:51.300 known that
00:17:51.800 only four
00:17:52.300 and a half
00:17:52.540 months before
00:17:53.000 he ultimately
00:17:53.460 did this
00:17:53.920 surgery,
00:17:54.760 that she
00:17:55.000 was still
00:17:55.400 feeling unsure
00:17:56.000 about her
00:17:56.340 gender identity,
00:17:56.980 he wouldn't
00:17:57.360 have conducted
00:17:57.800 the surgery.
00:17:58.880 So that
00:17:59.380 was a real
00:17:59.920 linchpin in
00:18:00.660 the case.
00:18:01.720 Ryan tells
00:18:02.200 us plastic
00:18:02.660 surgeon Dr.
00:18:03.460 Simon Chin
00:18:04.060 never bothered
00:18:05.340 to speak
00:18:06.040 directly with
00:18:07.120 Dr.
00:18:07.540 Einhorn.
00:18:08.380 We met
00:18:08.700 with her
00:18:08.980 twice during
00:18:10.120 the nine
00:18:10.500 week period
00:18:11.040 leading up
00:18:11.520 to the
00:18:11.780 mid-December
00:18:12.360 2019
00:18:13.140 mastectomy
00:18:13.860 that he
00:18:14.180 performed
00:18:14.620 on Fox
00:18:15.200 Ferry.
00:18:15.920 And he
00:18:16.520 was very
00:18:16.840 proud of
00:18:17.240 himself.
00:18:17.760 He said,
00:18:18.120 oh,
00:18:18.300 I met
00:18:19.280 with her
00:18:19.540 not only
00:18:19.980 once but
00:18:20.560 twice before
00:18:21.520 I had her
00:18:22.120 breast removed
00:18:22.700 when she
00:18:23.000 was in
00:18:23.360 her mid-teens.
00:18:25.360 And he
00:18:26.420 just looked
00:18:27.060 at this
00:18:27.320 letter and
00:18:28.180 he made
00:18:28.520 a presumption
00:18:29.080 and that
00:18:29.400 was a huge
00:18:29.860 indictment
00:18:30.340 upon him
00:18:31.020 by the
00:18:32.220 plaintiff's
00:18:32.820 attorney that
00:18:33.440 both he
00:18:34.220 and Einhorn,
00:18:35.440 the psychologist,
00:18:36.140 made assumptions
00:18:36.900 and inferences
00:18:37.720 and didn't
00:18:38.360 bother to
00:18:38.860 communicate with
00:18:39.500 each other
00:18:39.860 directly.
00:18:40.680 He just
00:18:41.260 presumed,
00:18:41.960 oh,
00:18:42.140 the correct
00:18:42.520 diagnosis must
00:18:43.380 be gender
00:18:43.760 dysphoria,
00:18:44.220 but neither
00:18:45.040 he nor
00:18:46.100 Dr.
00:18:46.420 Einhorn
00:18:46.760 ever wrote
00:18:47.540 the diagnosis
00:18:48.160 gender dysphoria
00:18:48.880 anywhere in
00:18:49.880 their case
00:18:50.280 notes,
00:18:50.840 despite the
00:18:51.380 fact that
00:18:51.940 it is widely
00:18:52.600 accepted that
00:18:53.560 that is the
00:18:54.140 required diagnosis
00:18:55.500 for having
00:18:56.520 this very
00:18:56.940 surgery.
00:18:58.160 Varian testifying
00:18:59.020 to feeling
00:18:59.420 immediate regret
00:19:00.500 from the moment
00:19:01.280 she took off
00:19:01.920 the bandages.
00:19:03.100 The shock
00:19:03.480 of the procedure
00:19:04.100 combined with
00:19:04.820 embarrassment
00:19:05.480 kept her
00:19:06.340 from being
00:19:06.740 open about
00:19:07.380 her feelings
00:19:07.860 for three
00:19:08.360 years before
00:19:09.480 ultimately
00:19:09.960 deciding to
00:19:10.740 embrace reality
00:19:11.600 that she is,
00:19:13.040 of course,
00:19:13.400 a girl.
00:19:14.780 Ryan says
00:19:15.280 more trials
00:19:15.820 like this
00:19:16.220 one are
00:19:16.940 coming.
00:19:17.780 There are
00:19:18.080 a lot of
00:19:18.400 detransitioners
00:19:19.140 who are
00:19:19.340 waiting in
00:19:19.700 the wings.
00:19:20.200 They filed
00:19:20.620 lawsuits,
00:19:21.240 about 28
00:19:21.920 all polled.
00:19:22.760 I've spoken
00:19:23.200 with some
00:19:23.740 legal experts
00:19:24.600 who say
00:19:25.580 that this
00:19:26.180 will encourage
00:19:26.860 other lawsuits
00:19:27.800 to come
00:19:28.220 forward.
00:19:28.620 They'll feel
00:19:28.900 more emboldened
00:19:29.940 and that that
00:19:30.800 could in turn
00:19:31.320 drive up
00:19:31.940 malpractice
00:19:32.560 insurance rates
00:19:33.320 and make
00:19:33.660 this feel
00:19:34.440 more forgiving
00:19:35.100 financially
00:19:35.800 for people
00:19:36.200 to work in.
00:19:37.120 And it might
00:19:37.460 also scare
00:19:38.160 away certain
00:19:38.680 providers who
00:19:39.480 are afraid
00:19:39.920 of reputational
00:19:40.580 damage and
00:19:41.440 just the
00:19:41.800 general stress
00:19:42.880 and horror
00:19:43.400 of being
00:19:43.860 sued.
00:19:44.920 Good.
00:19:45.620 Let's pray
00:19:46.300 that's true.
00:19:47.760 Wow.
00:19:49.960 And that'll do it
00:19:50.960 for your AM update.
00:19:52.000 I'm Megan Kelly.
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