The Megyn Kelly Show - Trump vs. Harris AND the Moderators in Biased ABC Debate, with Jashinsky, Lowry, Halperin, Hogan, Spicer, and Bolling

00:00:00.340 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.040 Well, I watched it. Did you watch it?

00:00:16.520 I'm disgusted.

00:00:19.380 I'm disgusted.

00:00:21.260 I'm ashamed of those moderators at ABC News.

00:00:24.820 They did exactly what their bosses wanted them to do.

00:00:28.500 The person who runs ABC News is a close personal friend of Kamala Harris that is responsible for Kamala Harris and her husband meeting.

00:00:41.020 And they did Dana Walden's bidding tonight.

00:00:44.860 It was three against one on that debate stage this evening.

00:00:48.580 Hi, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly, a special program tonight for you reacting to the debate.

00:00:52.320 It was three against one.

00:00:53.580 It's very easy to look like you know what you're doing when both moderators are entirely on your side.

00:01:02.960 Trump did the best he could under the circumstances, but it really was like three fighters in the ring pummeling one opponent.

00:01:10.940 And Trump tried to take them all on.

00:01:14.160 He did fine. He did his best as he could.

00:01:16.320 And he was thrown a few times to the point where he was unnecessarily defensive and he was getting angry.

00:01:23.480 And so was I.

00:01:25.460 Were you?

00:01:26.380 This was a mistake to trust ABC News with this debate.

00:01:33.900 The Republicans must learn from this mistake.

00:01:37.440 The same way the Democrats never, never agree to do anything with moderators they don't entirely trust.

00:01:46.980 This should be the last time the Republicans ever do this because those two moderators try to sink Donald Trump tonight.

00:01:58.080 The numerous fact checks on what he said and none on what she said.

00:02:06.620 None.

00:02:07.300 I don't remember a single fact check of anything she said and she lied repeatedly.

00:02:16.320 She just got away with it.

00:02:18.580 In the moderator's eyes, that was Donald Trump's job to fact check her.

00:02:23.140 That's correct.

00:02:24.760 Except you didn't employ that same tactic when it came to Trump and you accused him of lying even when it was your opinion that he lied.

00:02:34.200 When Trump tried to say that his comment that he lost 2020 by a whisker was him being sarcastic, David Muir actually injected saying, I didn't hear sarcasm.

00:02:47.100 Who gives a shit what you heard?

00:02:49.800 Who died and left you political analyst in chief?

00:02:53.060 You're supposed to be the objective news anchor of World News Tonight.

00:02:57.860 That's a comment you make to your significant other, David, not on the debates.

00:03:05.020 It didn't sound like that to me.

00:03:06.920 Shut up.

00:03:08.240 That is inappropriate.

00:03:09.860 It's not for you to make that call.

00:03:13.100 Leave it up to Kamala Harris.

00:03:14.820 Leave it up to people like me who will play the soundbite and let the audience decide.

00:03:18.640 But you were out of line and they did it to him over and over and over again.

00:03:24.240 And the worst, the worst piece of all of this is the obvious tactic by ABC News, which was as follows.

00:03:32.240 Mr. Trump, you said something incredibly controversial and terrible.

00:03:36.360 Let me remind you of what it was.

00:03:38.780 Do you have any regrets or thoughts on how terrible you were?

00:03:41.880 Trump answers.

00:03:43.340 Vice President Harris, how bad is Trump?

00:03:46.740 And then she'd answer.

00:03:47.880 It happened over and over again.

00:03:50.060 That was the format.

00:03:51.860 Mr. Trump, you're a piece of shit.

00:03:54.520 Kamala Harris, isn't he a shit?

00:03:56.600 Thank you.

00:03:58.100 It was incredible.

00:04:00.140 And then anything Trump said, fact check, fact check, fact check.

00:04:04.160 And their fact checks were full of shit.

00:04:07.560 I'm swearing even more than normal right now because I'm mad.

00:04:11.160 I'm angry.

00:04:11.920 I'm angry at them, at ABC, at my industry that I want nothing to do with.

00:04:17.860 And I've never been happier to be outside and be able to say how I truly feel.

00:04:22.360 And yes, even with some colorful words, because that's what the situation calls for.

00:04:26.240 They're trying to steal this election.

00:04:30.620 They're openly working to sink him.

00:04:33.960 I think it was so bad, their bias against him and toward her, that it's going to backfire.

00:04:43.600 I actually think the American public is going to see through this, and there's probably going

00:04:48.320 to be some empathy for Trump.

00:04:50.440 No fair-minded person could think anything other than that they were in the tank for him,

00:04:54.500 and it was three against one on that stage tonight.

00:04:56.660 Joining me to discuss it, Emily Jashinsky, DC correspondent for Unheard, and Rich Lowry,

00:05:00.440 editor-in-chief of National Review.

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00:05:55.580 I've never seen anything like it, Rich.

00:05:57.020 I've never seen anything quite so biased at the presidential debate level.

00:06:02.000 Well, it continues the theme of this race, right?

00:06:03.860 They've been completely in the tank for Kamala Harris, and the moderators on the debate stage

00:06:08.700 were completely in the tank for Kamala Harris.

00:06:11.540 And you just, you knew where the night was going when we got the first fact check when Trump

00:06:14.880 was talking about abortion and was talking about, he misspoke in this instance.

00:06:18.200 He got it right later when he said the West Virginia governor, the former, he meant the

00:06:22.160 former Virginia governor had talked about abortions after birth, right?

00:06:26.620 And he didn't say in any state has abortions after birth.

00:06:30.680 He just said the governor had said this, which is a correct statement.

00:06:33.420 And then he's fact-checked by saying, well, Mr. Trump, there's no state in America that

00:06:37.480 has abortion after nine months.

00:06:39.240 Actually, there are a few instances in Minnesota.

00:06:40.840 He was correct about that as well.

00:06:42.040 But this is the point, the fact-check was incorrect, right?

00:06:45.280 And this is why debate moderators shouldn't fact-check.

00:06:48.600 You know, the CNN moderators did not fact-check because what you think the fact is in that

00:06:53.580 moment may be subjective, you may be wrong, and you're tilting the playing field.

00:06:57.600 And certainly to fact-check one candidate and never fact-check the other, she did the Charlottesville

00:07:03.380 lie, that both sides are fine.

00:07:05.660 People lie, no fact-check.

00:07:07.280 She did the bloodbath lie.

00:07:09.160 He clearly didn't mean that, you know, that the country is going to be, there are going

00:07:12.780 to be riots in the street if he's not elected.

00:07:14.480 It was an economic statement, no fact-check.

00:07:17.160 So the moderators were a disgrace.

00:07:19.040 It's one of the reasons Trump seemed on defensive a lot of the night.

00:07:23.240 One was he took a lot of bait from Kamala Harris, so he didn't need to.

00:07:26.700 The other was the horrendous moderation.

00:07:29.660 Agree.

00:07:30.120 He took bait he shouldn't have taken.

00:07:31.720 He was defending himself on the pandemic.

00:07:33.240 He was on his heels instead of going on offense and pivoting off of the bad point for him

00:07:38.460 onto something that was more offensive.

00:07:40.320 That was a tactical error by him.

00:07:41.720 But I do want to just spend a minute on this fact-check you just mentioned.

00:07:45.060 Here it is.

00:07:45.760 Here's the moment we're referring to where Lindsey Davis, helpfully fact-checked Trump on

00:07:50.960 this abortion claim.

00:07:52.560 They have abortion in the ninth month.

00:07:55.760 They even have, and you can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West

00:08:00.120 Virginia, not the current governor, is doing an excellent job, but the governor before,

00:08:04.920 he said, the baby will be born and we will decide what to do with the baby.

00:08:09.060 In other words, we'll execute the baby.

00:08:10.680 There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it's born.

00:08:15.420 Okay.

00:08:16.560 That's not true.

00:08:18.300 Maybe she can use the word kill.

00:08:20.780 It's not like somebody's sticking a knife in the dead baby, in the alive baby as it's dying,

00:08:26.500 Emily, but you and I both know that in places like Minnesota and elsewhere, if you are trying

00:08:33.020 to abort a baby in the ninth month or otherwise, and it's born instead of dying in the mother's

00:08:39.620 womb, they will let that baby sit on the table and die.

00:08:45.240 And Trump's claim, though Rich is right, he said at first West Virginia, later he corrected

00:08:49.100 himself to Virginia.

00:08:49.860 Their former governor, Ralph Northam, said this on camera, admitted to this.

00:08:56.280 Here is the soundbite.

00:08:57.940 Boy, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen.

00:09:02.480 The infant would be delivered.

00:09:04.620 The infant would be kept comfortable.

00:09:07.300 The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired.

00:09:12.340 And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

00:09:16.200 So I'll give you one other Roger Severino.

00:09:19.100 He's with the Heritage Foundation tweeting out the following Harris.

00:09:23.060 And as it turns out, Lindsay Davis is dead wrong.

00:09:27.760 Some babies do survive abortions and can be saved, but are denied lifesaving treatment,

00:09:31.820 including under Tim Walz's watch.

00:09:34.360 Harris even voted against the Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act to defend that would have

00:09:42.200 defended the lives of these babies, their right to live once born, unconscionable.

00:09:50.000 Trump didn't say any of that, okay?

00:09:51.980 He tried.

00:09:52.880 But the nerve of this moderator to inject herself into it without any of this.

00:10:00.240 That's for you, Emily.

00:10:00.980 Here's what I find especially infuriating about that.

00:10:05.360 She chose, she editorialized with all of the sanctimony in the world to say that word,

00:10:13.620 to focus in on that word, quote, execute.

00:10:15.920 I don't know if she knows any of the context that you just provided, which is all completely

00:10:20.960 accurate and known to people who follow the news closely, unless you're in a total bubble

00:10:26.560 and aren't doing your job, which is obviously the case here.

00:10:29.260 But she chose to editorialize and say, it's not true.

00:10:32.240 You can't execute, you can't kill babies.

00:10:35.400 I mean, actually, it depends on whether or not you consider having a baby who could be

00:10:39.980 cared for, born alive, and then left without care.

00:10:43.640 If you don't consider that an execution, okay.

00:10:46.720 But she is injecting here to quibble, editorially.

00:10:51.200 And she doesn't have a leg to stand on, on this particular issue.

00:10:55.720 There are obvious moments where Kamala Harris could have been fact-checked,

00:10:59.480 just as any candidate could.

00:11:01.300 I don't object to them fact-checking Donald Trump.

00:11:04.520 I object to them fact-checking, as Rich said, period.

00:11:07.680 You know, we didn't, after that CNN debate about Biden, talk about the moderators for

00:11:11.260 a lot of reasons, namely because of Biden.

00:11:13.160 But we also really saw them sink into the background of that debate.

00:11:17.200 It was the opposite in this case.

00:11:18.680 They were constantly injecting themselves, constant fact-checks.

00:11:21.180 Didn't get a fact-check on IVF, Project 2025, as Abigail Schreier pointed out.

00:11:26.040 Nothing on Charlottesville, even when Snopes had fact-checked what Joe Biden was saying

00:11:31.120 about Charlottesville that Kamala Harris repeated.

00:11:33.520 Nothing on abortion.

00:11:34.680 Nothing on that bloodbath comment.

00:11:35.940 They just let it all go and just went straight for Trump.

00:11:38.560 It was all him.

00:11:39.840 None, nothing.

00:11:41.380 Not one fact-check on Kamala Harris.

00:11:43.960 But Emily, what you point out gets to the insanity of it.

00:11:46.100 If she was going to be strictly accurate in her fact-check, she would have said, well,

00:11:49.400 it's not technically an execution because you're not affirmatively killing the child.

00:11:53.620 Instead, after the child's born, you're just giving the child comfort care and not the

00:11:57.880 medical care that might be necessary to save him or her.

00:12:00.380 That's an opinion, right?

00:12:01.500 That's a debate answer.

00:12:03.460 And so, but instead they do it under the guise of a fact-check, which gives it this authority

00:12:08.720 it doesn't deserve that they're using by the grace of them sitting there as moderators.

00:12:14.780 It's a total abuse of their role.

00:12:18.260 Yeah.

00:12:18.760 And the same thing on Trump's attempt to claim that when he said on a podcast that he lost

00:12:26.240 the 2020 election by a whisker, he, I said this on my show today, you guys, I said, if

00:12:32.620 I were asking the questions tonight, I would ask him about that and about the fact that

00:12:38.060 he sat on a podcast last week, he lost by a whisk by a whisker and you should bring that

00:12:42.880 up.

00:12:43.020 And that's fine to bring that up, which they did.

00:12:45.180 And I was actually surprised by Trump's answer.

00:12:47.420 I was being sarcastic and I'm going to be honest.

00:12:50.080 I don't know that he was being sarcastic in that answer either.

00:12:52.920 I didn't detect the sarcasm myself.

00:12:54.480 That's not appropriate as a fact-check.

00:12:57.840 David Muir, here's the moment.

00:13:00.360 Mr. President, for three and a half years after you lost the 2020 election, you repeatedly

00:13:04.800 falsely claimed that you won, many times saying you won in a landslide.

00:13:09.120 In the past couple of weeks leading up to this debate, you have said, quote, you lost by a

00:13:13.700 whisker, that you, quote, didn't quite make it, that you came up a little bit short.

00:13:17.960 I said that.

00:13:18.660 Are you now acknowledging that you lost in 2020?

00:13:21.160 No, I don't acknowledge that at all.

00:13:22.400 But you did say that.

00:13:23.140 I said that sarcastically.

00:13:23.700 You know that.

00:13:24.620 And we said, oh, we lost by a whisker.

00:13:26.340 That was said sarcastically.

00:13:28.220 Look, there's so much proof.

00:13:30.300 All you have to do is look at it.

00:13:31.820 And they should have sent it back to the legislatures for approval.

00:13:35.160 I did watch all of these pieces of video.

00:13:37.620 I didn't detect the sarcasm lost by a whisker.

00:13:40.280 We didn't quite make it.

00:13:41.500 And we should just point out here as clarification.

00:13:43.300 And you know this.

00:13:43.960 You and your allies, 60 cases in front of many judges.

00:13:47.040 Many of them were Republican.

00:13:47.780 No judge looked at it.

00:13:48.480 And said there was no widespread fraud.

00:13:49.340 I didn't have standing.

00:13:51.220 That's opinion.

00:13:52.860 That's opinion, Emily.

00:13:54.460 And it is not up to the debate moderator to be saying, I don't quite believe you.

00:13:59.720 That's what he's saying.

00:14:00.660 I didn't believe your answer.

00:14:01.740 Who gives a flying fig what David Muir thinks of Trump's answer?

00:14:06.140 And that's why these moderators getting into the business of live fact-checking debates is a farce.

00:14:12.020 And in this case, it was so obviously a farce because not once, not once did they attempt to do the same thing to Kamala Harris.

00:14:19.840 And it was interesting because in the first half of the debate, Kamala Harris came out.

00:14:24.020 She seemed maybe a little nervous.

00:14:25.940 Donald Trump seemed like he thought that she would be easier to debate than she actually was.

00:14:31.020 And, you know, he took the bait a couple of times from her.

00:14:34.280 She baited him into talking about his rallies, when he probably shouldn't have been litigating the size of his rallies.

00:14:39.120 But then as the media fact-check started piling up, and as it became clearer and clearer that the editorial line from ABC News, from the leadership that is very close to Kamala Harris, as you pointed out, Megan,

00:14:51.100 they said that there was an editorial firewall in this case, which was obviously not true.

00:14:55.240 So that bled all the way down into this debate.

00:14:58.380 And that became increasingly obvious.

00:15:00.220 And that's where Donald Trump picked up steam.

00:15:02.480 He was, you know, he, I thought, came across as a little overly defensive and angry in the first half of the debate.

00:15:07.600 But as the media performance started to get more and more egregious, he actually really, really did start picking up steam.

00:15:13.580 So even by their own objectives, they're too dumb.

00:15:17.300 They're too dumb to actually fulfill their own state of their own objectives, which we all know is that they want to destroy Donald Trump,

00:15:25.620 because this ends up helping him when it may not have been a good debate for him, period.

00:15:29.840 Now the big conversation coming out of the Trump camp is going to be an entirely reasonable one about what a joke the media was.

00:15:37.260 So the big loser here, and I mean bigger than Donald Trump in this case, is ABC News.

00:15:41.740 Because now I think all of the networks, to your point, Megan, might be losing access to debates from Republicans going forward.

00:15:48.660 They should.

00:15:49.240 They must.

00:15:50.080 They must.

00:15:50.580 And I just want to find a point on the fact-check, the so-called fact-check by this Lindsay Davis.

00:15:53.900 Because it's even more egregious and annoying when she's like, okay, there's no state in this union that allows my baby to be killed after being born.

00:16:05.000 Like, if you do it, you know, with the right body language, like, it's very hard to deal with this lying liar who lies all the time, but I will handle it because I work for ABC News.

00:16:15.860 And meanwhile, she's the one lying.

00:16:17.400 It's just so infuriating to watch, right?

00:16:20.120 You can't, if Trump agrees to another debate on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, maybe not CNN, because he did okay on the last one.

00:16:28.760 He deserves what he gets.

00:16:29.820 He deserves what he gets.

00:16:31.140 Because Team Kamala tonight, right now, Rich, is saying, let's have another debate.

00:16:35.700 Is he up for it?

00:16:36.480 She's up for it.

00:16:37.240 Let's have another one.

00:16:38.240 Because now she's feeling good, and she's been reminded that her little pets in the media will run cover for her.

00:16:44.260 They're even better than her emotional support governor.

00:16:46.300 And she's got an emotional support team out there now in the form of Muir and Davis, and she would have the same thing of this were an NBC or a CBS debate as well.

00:16:55.940 So, Trump, I don't know what he'll do.

00:16:57.760 Should he do another debate?

00:17:01.040 I think he should.

00:17:02.420 I don't think this one went very well for him.

00:17:05.080 I mean, he always seems vigorous, right, and vivid.

00:17:07.600 He just has that presence that you can't fake, and that you see he has naturally.

00:17:13.600 And he made his points over and over again at the border of the economy, that she's been there for three and a half years.

00:17:19.020 But he was vague.

00:17:20.740 He was repetitive.

00:17:22.560 And I think she was overly rehearsed.

00:17:24.860 Obviously, she's extremely rehearsed.

00:17:26.540 But she got her points across, and I think they're probably delighted with her performance tonight.

00:17:31.020 As we said, a lot of help from the moderators, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Insta polls say that she won.

00:17:37.960 I doubt it's decisive in the race, but they probably feel pretty good about what she did.

00:17:43.360 I have to tell you, I watched this seeing, yes, she scored some points.

00:17:47.680 It was like watching a boxing match where you'd have to give her some technical points for landing points, articulating them.

00:17:54.000 But I do not think she won the debate.

00:17:55.700 I actually don't think so, because I think your average viewer at home understands it was three against one and would have a national sympathy for Donald Trump.

00:18:02.080 Like, nobody likes that.

00:18:03.240 They don't like an unfair contest.

00:18:04.780 And I also thought her ridiculous preening and facial expressions and tsk-tisking and her rumphing over on screen right were a massive turnoff.

00:18:14.900 And that all happened, especially in the first 20 minutes of the debate, when people are watching more than they are as the debate goes on.

00:18:21.280 We actually pulled a bit of a montage of some of these faces, I think.

00:18:25.380 Let's take a look.

00:18:27.300 All right.

00:18:27.520 So it's video.

00:18:29.140 Look at her.

00:18:30.740 The hand under the chin.

00:18:32.380 Oh, gee, go on.

00:18:34.500 Oh, do tell.

00:18:36.300 Do tell.

00:18:39.640 All right.

00:18:41.720 It went on like this for a while.

00:18:44.160 Yeah, the Democrats haven't done very well through it.

00:18:47.280 The scowling.

00:18:47.800 And here's the other thing, Rich.

00:18:48.680 Which, as it turns out, we'll just keep playing this, but as it turns out, she's the one who needed the mic muted.

00:18:53.980 She's the one who kept trying to interrupt.

00:18:55.820 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:56.140 She's the one who should be happy that they wound up mutating it because she was the interrupting cow, not Trump.

00:19:02.320 Yeah.

00:19:03.160 So the Democrats have had some trouble with their on-camera not speaking moments.

00:19:08.020 With Biden, it was the mouth just hanging agape, which wasn't a good look.

00:19:11.680 And this was a terrible look.

00:19:13.380 She got it under control a little later, but it was just awful at the beginning.

00:19:17.680 And she repeatedly tried to interrupt, even though her mic wasn't on.

00:19:21.140 And that led to a good Trump moment where he did the, I'm speaking, please.

00:19:25.820 You know, does that sound familiar?

00:19:27.040 Kind of needling her with that line she used half a dozen times in the debate with Mike Pence.

00:19:31.600 But wait, I'm going to give you one more reason why I don't think she did well.

00:19:38.080 And it was the personal insults.

00:19:39.980 Because I don't think American women, who they're all trying to get at home, are going to respond favorably to the repeated, repeated personal insults she hurled at him in virtually every answer.

00:19:54.080 She was small and she was petty.

00:19:56.980 And he didn't respond.

00:19:59.480 On that, he didn't take much bait.

00:20:02.840 Maybe here or there he dropped a word.

00:20:04.760 But she was like a dog with a bone in her trying to attack him personally.

00:20:10.180 It was unseemly.

00:20:11.560 Here's a few examples.

00:20:13.440 World leaders are laughing at Donald Trump.

00:20:16.340 I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you.

00:20:20.340 And they say you're a disgrace.

00:20:22.320 It is very well known that Donald Trump is weak and wrong on national security and foreign policy.

00:20:29.120 It is well known that he admires dictators, wants to be a dictator on day one, according to himself.

00:20:35.980 It is well known he exchanged love letters with Kim Jong-un.

00:20:40.840 Why the European allies and our NATO allies are so thankful that you are no longer president.

00:20:47.680 And why don't you tell the 800,000 Polish Americans right here in Pennsylvania how quickly you would give up for the sake of favor and what you think is a friendship with what is known to be a dictator who would eat you for lunch.

00:21:02.660 It went on.

00:21:05.380 We could have pulled more.

00:21:07.560 And I just I wonder I mean I again on points I don't know that Trump would win this debate but on style Emily I think she was a massive turnoff.

00:21:15.700 That's interesting because there were also a couple of moments where she you know the the race question in particular where they asked Donald Trump why he said that she used to be Indian and now she's black.

00:21:32.800 And then they turned the question to Kamala Harris and like we saw her do in the Dana Bash interview I thought she did a good job of not getting into the identity politics trap.

00:21:42.520 I thought there were a couple of moments where she like was clearly scripted in the right direction.

00:21:46.860 But on the dictator one Democrats think it that is very much like a dog with a bone and I think average Americans watch that and they're like what are you talking about what we want historically what we've seen happen successfully is for our leaders to actually cut deals and to actually engage with talking about how you're like so cool because you just ignore people who can stop wars no matter how bad they are.

00:22:14.420 Like I just think that is a really dumb line of attack and it's clearly one that they love and that they think is brilliant.

00:22:21.320 And so I thought she looked pretty silly in that particular exchange especially because to your point Megan she was really on that one wound up she felt like this was a slam dunk and it was not even a layup.

00:22:33.840 That on that question you mentioned in your answer about the racial identity you know Trump pointing out when did she become black.

00:22:40.120 I mean this was a thing online within some for some members of the black community they've they've been speaking out about it saying we're the ones who raised this we don't think she's black she was leaned into her Indian heritage and Trump picked up on it maybe somebody fed it to him I don't know and that's when he made his comments and even tonight they're all over the internet saying we're the ones who raised it not Donald Trump but in any event.

00:23:00.960 So they elevate this it's already it's already come up right Trump's already been asked about it at the NABJ that's where he said it he was followed up he's been asked about it in interviews she was asked about it in her sit down with CNN and I'll tell you as a debate moderator you factor all that in on whether you're going to raise it on the debate stage has it already been responded to has it already been how long is the controversy you know been over this would not have risen to the level.

00:23:23.960 It would children are actually having their body parts chopped off right now by the Democrats I feel like that deserved a question I like little girls are having their faces pummeled and going into permanent brain damage because of boys playing maybe they could deserve one question instead of raising this thing over and over again.

00:23:42.180 But here's how they did it Mr. Trump you're horrid here's what you said Vice President Kamala Harris would you like to comment on to how terrible he is that was their mo here it is.

00:23:55.840 Mr. President you recently said a Vice President Harris quote I didn't know she was black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn black and now she wants to be known as black.

00:24:05.140 I want to ask a bigger picture question here tonight. Why do you believe it's appropriate to weigh in on the racial identity of your opponent.

00:24:12.640 I don't and I don't care. I don't care what she is. I don't care. You make a big deal out of something. I couldn't care less. Whatever she wants to be is OK with me.

00:24:23.100 But those were your words. So I don't know. I don't know. I mean all I can say is I read where she was not black that she put out and I'll say that and then I read that she was black.

00:24:34.800 And that's OK. Either one was OK with me. That's up to her. That's up to her.

00:24:39.560 Vice President Harris your thoughts on this.

00:24:42.620 I think it's I mean honestly I think it's a tragedy that we have someone who wants to be president who has consistently over the course of his career attempted to use race to divide the American people.

00:24:57.580 I mean the playbook rich it worked beautifully that who couldn't look good out there with those two moderators doing that for her.

00:25:10.640 Yeah. That was a classic instance of a dynamic challenging question to Trump and then to come.

00:25:18.060 What do you think about this terrible thing he said. And so there was about I don't know.

00:25:23.280 I didn't have a timer on it but it felt from the initial questions after the initial questions on the economy.

00:25:28.840 I thought Trump was was quite good on that. Then then we get abortion. We get January 6th.

00:25:35.100 We get election denial. We get this. It felt like 45 minutes straight.

00:25:39.180 It was on terrain that was not favorable to Donald Trump.

00:25:42.720 And of course not all terrain is going to be favorable to Donald Trump.

00:25:45.240 And he created some of those problems for for himself.

00:25:47.600 But it felt like a very long time. And as you say none of these things that that would challenge Kamala Harris like like the the thing that just it just emerged talk about some things new.

00:26:00.200 You said the as you pointed out the the answer about her rate the Trump statement about her racial identity is old.

00:26:05.880 But we just had the CNN getting the the ACLU scorecard or a questionnaire where she said that she supported gender trans the government paying for gender and transforming surgery on illegal immigrants in detention is new.

00:26:20.560 I could broke a day or two ago. Right. Did they ask her about that?

00:26:24.240 Not one. Not one question about that.

00:26:30.200 She also put on her website finally when she came out with her policy agenda.

00:26:34.780 It says right there plain as day that she supports the Equality Act and the Equality Act advances all of the awful mistreatment of young girls that we've just been talking about here.

00:26:46.520 So she just puts this agenda out. It's a pretty obvious question.

00:26:50.380 The CNN story comes out as well and you get absolutely nothing.

00:26:53.480 You get Donald Trump bringing it up, but nobody else seemed to have any interest in the story at all,

00:26:57.520 despite the fact that Kamala Harris has been a champion of these very policies.

00:27:02.100 They don't care and they don't understand the right half of the country.

00:27:06.480 There weren't any questions designed to test whether she's too far left for the right half of this country and frankly for the left half of this country.

00:27:16.880 All of the questions were trying to expose how radical he is, how bad he is.

00:27:24.060 It's incredible that they ignored the CNN report, this K-File report that in which they exposed.

00:27:30.280 Yes, she had told the ACLU that she wanted to make taxpayers pay for gender transition surgeries for criminally convicted illegal immigrants.

00:27:40.680 Can you get more radical than that, that she wanted to take away funding from ICE at the border?

00:27:47.980 There were so many things that she wants to legalize all drugs.

00:27:52.820 She wants to legalize all drugs, including fentanyl, fentanyl and heroin.

00:27:59.100 She wants to, where was the question about that?

00:28:02.780 Instead, we got two on the 2020 election, one on climate change and ridiculous comments like the one here in number 11.

00:28:13.200 Watch that 11.

00:28:15.940 Vice President Harris, you heard the president there tonight.

00:28:18.720 He said he didn't say that, that he lost by a whisker.

00:28:20.540 So he still believes he did not lose the election that was won by President Biden and yourself.

00:28:27.620 But I do want to ask you about something that's come up in the last couple of days.

00:28:30.600 This was a post from President Trump about this upcoming election just weeks away.

00:28:35.280 He said, when I win, those people who cheated, and then he lists donors, voters, election officials,

00:28:40.360 he says will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences.

00:28:46.240 One of your campaign's top lawyers responded saying, we won't let Donald Trump intimidate us.

00:28:50.540 We won't let him suppress the vote.

00:28:52.720 Is that what you believe he's trying to do here?

00:28:55.900 Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people.

00:28:58.880 So let's be clear about that.

00:29:01.340 And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that.

00:29:05.360 So I don't have a problem with bringing up that Trump post.

00:29:08.580 It's newsworthy.

00:29:09.780 It's important.

00:29:10.680 But the way the question is framed is, do you agree with your own campaign, Madam Vice President?

00:29:16.680 And going back to the ACLU questionnaire, this perversely, it plays into their sense of superiority

00:29:22.820 that you've been hitting on because they think they're so good at their job.

00:29:27.280 And so above it all, they don't know about that or they don't bother to understand how important it is.

00:29:33.520 So they let it go.

00:29:35.620 And they think that shows how great they are.

00:29:37.700 They don't fall for this right-wing stuff.

00:29:40.140 You know, they're all in good standing with the blob and only ask blob questions.

00:29:46.120 But it really shows how terrible they are at their job and how they aren't to be trusted.

00:29:51.220 And if Trump's going to do another debate, maybe he should insist that after they ask the question,

00:29:55.280 that the moderator's mics are muted.

00:29:58.020 Yeah.

00:29:58.500 You know what?

00:29:59.280 Let's do another debate.

00:30:00.420 I'll host it.

00:30:01.700 I'll moderate it.

00:30:02.860 I can do it by myself.

00:30:04.240 I can't stand Kamala Harris, but I would be so fair.

00:30:06.680 I would be so hard on Trump today.

00:30:08.200 I read a list of questions I would ask Donald Trump, and they were not easy.

00:30:13.400 You at least need somebody who, no matter what their strong bias or how they're going to vote,

00:30:18.560 tries to be tough on both sides.

00:30:21.940 This just in.

00:30:24.760 Emily, because I guess she decided, oh, this will be fun to crap on him when he's down,

00:30:30.280 when she perceives him as down.

00:30:32.860 Taylor Swift just endorsed Kamala Harris.

00:30:36.260 Taylor Swift, yeah.

00:30:38.200 She posts a picture of herself with her cat.

00:30:42.860 Would you look at this?

00:30:43.960 Oh, perfect.

00:30:44.320 You can kiss your sails to the Republican audience.

00:30:48.060 Goodbye, Taylor.

00:30:48.760 Hope you enjoyed them while you had them.

00:30:50.620 And this is what she posts.

00:30:51.980 Like many of you, I watched the debate tonight.

00:30:53.940 If you haven't already, now's a great time to do your research on the issues at hand

00:30:56.580 and the stances these candidates take on the topics that matter to you most.

00:30:59.220 As a voter, I make sure to watch and read everything I can about the proposed policies, etc.

00:31:03.320 Recently, I was made aware that an AI of me falsely endorsing Donald Trump's presidential run

00:31:06.920 was posted to its site, blah, blah, blah.

00:31:09.020 And the simplest way to combat misinformation is with the truth.

00:31:11.820 I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.

00:31:14.300 I am voting for Kamala because she fights for the rights and causes I believe need a warrior to champion them.

00:31:19.340 I think she's a steady-handed, gifted leader.

00:31:21.440 And I believe we can accomplish so much more in this country if we are led by calm and not chaos.

00:31:26.920 I was so heartened and impressed by her selection of her running mate, Tim Walz,

00:31:33.560 who has been standing up for LGBTQ rights, IVF, and a woman's right to her own body for decades.

00:31:39.540 Oh, my God.

00:31:40.140 So this woman is fine with his plan to take custody of the children from parents who don't want them to chop off their body parts

00:31:48.600 and put them in Minnesota court's custody so the body parts can be chopped off and they can be sterilized outside the custody of their parents.

00:31:56.260 That's what led Taylor Swift to endorse him.

00:31:59.980 Can I tell you something?

00:32:01.120 I criticized her about six months ago when she came out strongly in favor of—

00:32:05.200 she went to a fundraiser to raise money for Hamas, supposedly Palestinians,

00:32:10.040 but the group that was doing the fundraising was known to funnel the money to Hamas.

00:32:14.340 And I said, people should boycott her.

00:32:16.200 It was an offhanded comment.

00:32:17.400 People went nuts.

00:32:18.360 Some lunatic dropped a note in my personal mailbox outside my house begging me not to boycott Taylor Swift as though I have that power.

00:32:24.780 I'm allowed to criticize Taylor Swift, and I don't give a shit who gets upset.

00:32:29.160 This is disgusting.

00:32:30.460 If she wants to vote Harris-Waltz, she can do it all she wants.

00:32:33.460 But to say the reason she's doing it is because of Tim Walz's stance on LGBTQ, F-U Taylor Swift.

00:32:42.620 And F all of the people who want to see these children have body parts chopped off and watch them sterilized under the age of consent

00:32:49.280 and then will ride off to their multi-gazillion-dollar mansions, never to think of them again.

00:32:56.200 Emily, this is unbelievable.

00:32:57.580 The left is losing its mind.

00:32:59.200 She signed it Taylor Swift, childless cat lady.

00:33:04.220 Oh, how cute.

00:33:05.740 Yeah, I mean, this is exactly—

00:33:07.160 It's not just that she's okay with everything you just described.

00:33:10.300 It's that she actually actively supports it, and yet we can't even get a damn question, a damn question about things like the Radical Equality Act

00:33:18.860 or the CNN Gender Transitions for Undocumented Immigrants report.

00:33:24.280 We can't even get one question about it, but Taylor Swift is going to get applauded for coming out and endorsing this ticket

00:33:30.860 for the reason of Tim Walz's LGBT policies and Kamala Harris's LGBT policies,

00:33:36.760 which, again, if you go to her website, it cites very clearly that the cornerstone of it is basically the Equality Act,

00:33:41.960 which is a radical piece of legislation.

00:33:43.620 The vast majority of the country, the audiences of all of the glossy magazines

00:33:47.240 that are now about to clap for Taylor Swift and Yas Queen her,

00:33:51.740 the people that read those magazines don't like this stuff.

00:33:55.040 They don't know about it because the media won't ask a freaking question about it in a debate,

00:33:58.960 but Taylor Swift is also doing this, it should be noted,

00:34:01.500 because Brittany Mahomes came out just a few days ago.

00:34:04.720 She's been saying she supports Donald Trump.

00:34:06.580 She liked a Trump post on Instagram, got a ton of heat for it.

00:34:09.960 They were sitting apart from each other at the Chiefs game,

00:34:12.800 and all of the speculation was bubbling up about whether they had broken their friendship over Donald Trump.

00:34:18.140 Then they sat together again at the U.S. Open,

00:34:20.760 and Taylor Swift got all kinds of heat for being friends with a Trump supporter,

00:34:25.020 and now she rolls out an endorsement right after the debate.

00:34:28.280 That is absolutely not a coincidence.

00:34:30.200 It's a calculated public relations move.

00:34:32.360 This pair, Taylor and her boyfriend, Travis Kelsey, are the epitomes of elite snobs.

00:34:41.040 They both have gazillions of dollars.

00:34:43.760 She doesn't care what happens to these kids,

00:34:45.860 just like he doesn't give a shit what happens to all the young men

00:34:48.900 who take that Pfizer booster he's been pushing on them.

00:34:52.400 I'm sure he's totally fucking clueless about the myocarditis taking the lives of young men in this country

00:34:59.700 who didn't need the shot to begin with, never mind a booster.

00:35:03.740 Where's Travis Kelsey going to be?

00:35:05.700 Because those are his fans.

00:35:07.780 Where's he going to be when these boys wind up with heart scarring that causes heart attacks and potentially death?

00:35:16.480 They will be sitting in their mansions in Rhode Island and California and New York

00:35:22.480 and jetting across the world saying, let them eat cake,

00:35:26.300 because they'll be bathing themselves in their own sanctimony,

00:35:30.260 too obsessed with their money and their concerts and their football games

00:35:36.040 to have a thought for those they've hurt.

00:35:38.360 Okay.

00:35:41.240 It's just another night after a regular debate hosted by regular moderators in a regular media world.

00:35:47.860 Emily and Rich, love you guys.

00:35:49.300 I thought you started hot at the beginning, Megan, but really you saved it for the end.

00:35:54.520 I actually am kind of hot.

00:35:56.580 I don't know.

00:35:56.960 Is it menopause?

00:35:57.900 I'm not sure what it is.

00:35:59.580 I'm angry.

00:36:03.060 You guys.

00:36:04.640 Yeah, I need a cat.

00:36:06.340 Somebody gets Rudwick in here.

00:36:07.360 That's all I can handle.

00:36:08.360 Thank you, guys.

00:36:10.240 All right.

00:36:10.780 Thanks so much.

00:36:11.580 Thanks, Megan.

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00:37:15.160 And we're going to bring on the three hosts of The Morning Meeting, a fast-growing interactive show on the Two-Way YouTube channel.

00:37:24.980 Mark Halperin is editor-in-chief of Two-Way.

00:37:26.880 Sean Spicer is a former White House press secretary and host of The Sean Spicer Show.

00:37:30.500 And Tim Hogan is a Democratic political consultant.

00:37:33.640 Guys, welcome.

00:37:34.300 Mark, what were your thoughts on tonight?

00:37:35.840 Pretty much agree with you.

00:37:36.980 I mean, I thought she was a C-plus, except on abortion, where she was A, and A-plus on baiting Trump.

00:37:44.120 Trump took the bait repeatedly.

00:37:46.460 But the real story is the moderators, as you suggested, they fact-checked Trump.

00:37:50.300 They didn't fact-check her.

00:37:52.080 They chose topics, including abortion, that would help her.

00:37:55.660 When she baited Trump and Trump switched topics, they switched topics to ask her on immigration.

00:38:01.640 And all their questions were poorly formed.

00:38:03.600 And they asked a bunch of yes-no questions, which they shouldn't do.

00:38:05.780 When they asked her semi-tough questions, she changed the subject, didn't answer at all.

00:38:10.460 They just moved on.

00:38:12.140 So to me, it might affect voters.

00:38:14.360 It probably won't.

00:38:15.580 But if Trump's goal, which it is, is to define her as weak, failed, and dangerously liberal,

00:38:20.600 he was weak and failed in doing that.

00:38:23.160 And so he missed his opportunity.

00:38:24.580 And I'm not saying it means he's going to lose.

00:38:27.020 But he was horrible.

00:38:28.340 And he lost literally every round of the debate, in part because the moderators were just so

00:38:32.740 ridiculously pro-errorist.

00:38:34.160 It was like they had fire hoses against him.

00:38:36.660 There was so much that Trump had to try to bat down.

00:38:39.460 He did what he could.

00:38:40.560 But no human would have been capable of handling the number of lies she was saying.

00:38:45.440 Go ahead, Mark.

00:38:46.160 What were you going to say?

00:38:48.080 Well, I'm sorry to interrupt.

00:38:49.660 But I want to make clear, though.

00:38:51.760 He was horrible.

00:38:52.640 What did you think was horrible about him?

00:38:55.140 Sure, he was stacked against him.

00:38:56.100 But he had to come in knowing that.

00:38:58.040 He got baited every time, talking about people leaving his events, talking about people eating

00:39:02.660 cats, talking about his criminal cases, talking about race.

00:39:07.520 The moderators and Harris spent the night trying to bait him into talking about stuff

00:39:11.500 that wasn't about her record.

00:39:13.620 He barely talked about her record.

00:39:15.440 He talked more about Joe Biden's record.

00:39:16.980 So I agree that the moderators controlled the stage, and they made it horrible.

00:39:21.540 But he was horrible and didn't do himself any favors, even in the face of unfair moderators.

00:39:27.240 Sean Spicer, you're shaking your head.

00:39:28.640 Why?

00:39:30.160 Well, first of all, I just want to congratulate the big winner tonight, Candy Crowley.

00:39:33.600 She now is erased as the worst moderator in history.

00:39:36.760 And David Muir gets to take on that honor.

00:39:40.220 Look, if you look at the first half of the debate, which is where I think most Americans

00:39:44.900 were paying attention, Trump was spot on, really going after immigration, talking about

00:39:48.940 the threat that we faced.

00:39:50.340 I don't disagree with Mark that a lot of the times he was baited.

00:39:53.760 He focused on responding to her, which he shouldn't have.

00:39:56.880 His classic line of the night, you've had three years and you haven't done anything,

00:40:00.220 came too far into the debate.

00:40:01.800 I will agree with that.

00:40:02.740 But it was, you know, he landed a lot of punches, reminding people about immigration, the effects

00:40:07.800 of it, and contrasting his record on the economy with hers.

00:40:12.140 There were too many parts at the end of the debate.

00:40:14.220 Yeah, it was three on one.

00:40:15.360 I mean, you start to look at race, climate change, abortion, Obamacare.

00:40:20.860 I mean, this was, it felt like a night at the DNC.

00:40:24.040 January 6th and election denialism, both.

00:40:27.880 Both.

00:40:28.340 Yeah, exactly.

00:40:29.040 Both got up there.

00:40:29.740 And then when she lied, when she lied, and there were lots of lies, but here's just,

00:40:34.280 so we played some of what they would do to Trump, right?

00:40:36.380 Like they would, they would fact check him with things, fact checks that were not true.

00:40:39.400 And look, what do they do when Kamala Harris is up there misleading?

00:40:43.320 All right.

00:40:43.620 That came up about the BLM riots.

00:40:45.720 Trump raised it.

00:40:46.480 Of course, the, the moderators didn't raise her, her support for bailing out the protesters.

00:40:50.780 But look at this.

00:40:51.840 It's not 10.

00:40:53.500 She gave up at least 12 and probably 14 or 15 different policies.

00:40:58.120 Like, she was big on defund the police.

00:41:00.800 In Minnesota, she went out.

00:41:02.700 Wait a minute.

00:41:03.100 I'm talking now.

00:41:04.620 If you don't mind, please.

00:41:06.640 Does that sound familiar?

00:41:09.720 She went out.

00:41:10.760 She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people that burned down

00:41:18.480 Minneapolis.

00:41:19.680 She went out and raised money to get them out of jail.

00:41:22.420 She did things that nobody would ever think of.

00:41:24.980 Now she wants to do transgender operations on illegal aliens that are in prison.

00:41:30.380 This is a radical left liberal that would do this.

00:41:34.060 So she said she's shaking her set her head.

00:41:37.820 No, no.

00:41:38.660 When he's saying she, she bailed out these criminals.

00:41:41.020 This is, this is her tweet.

00:41:43.580 This is her tweet.

00:41:45.940 Kamala Harris tweeted it out on 6-1-20.

00:41:49.660 If you're able to chip in now to the minute app, the Minnesota Freedom Fund to help post

00:41:55.780 bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota.

00:41:59.460 This is exactly what he was referring to.

00:42:02.040 If she had a defense on it, we didn't get to hear it because the moderators did not follow

00:42:06.460 up.

00:42:07.120 They moved on.

00:42:08.520 Miss Fact Checker Lindsay Davis, Mr. Fact Checker David Muir had no interest in actually

00:42:13.920 following up and saying, here's the tweet, madam.

00:42:16.500 You did.

00:42:17.060 You shook your head.

00:42:17.720 No, you did it.

00:42:19.080 And as to the allegation about the illegals and the sex change operations that was reporting

00:42:23.560 that CNN had exclusively on the K-file yesterday, you filled it out in an ACLU questionnaire.

00:42:29.620 How can you shake your head?

00:42:30.780 No, you didn't do it.

00:42:32.200 Where was that fact check, Sean?

00:42:35.840 Yeah.

00:42:36.580 I mean, on issue after issue, it was, we're going to say, and by the way, the quote fact

00:42:40.360 checks that they did against Donald Trump were wrong.

00:42:43.320 The Virginia governor, Ralph Northam, a former doctor, did say exactly what Donald Trump said.

00:42:49.140 He said, whether or not that abortions are performed at that late stage is quite another

00:42:54.440 issue.

00:42:54.840 The Virginia governor said exactly what Donald Trump said.

00:42:57.580 We played the soundbite.

00:42:58.960 We actually, online now, the issue of those issues in Ohio have come out.

00:43:04.800 So issue after issue, they fact checked them incorrectly.

00:43:08.680 Yeah.

00:43:09.040 That's the thing.

00:43:09.620 Leaving the audience with the appearance that he didn't know what he was talking about.

00:43:13.420 He was lying repeatedly, which she kept saying, and it played beautifully for her.

00:43:17.120 Tim, what are your thoughts on tonight?

00:43:19.760 Yeah.

00:43:19.980 I guess, look, hearing all of this, you kind of would think that like Donald Trump has

00:43:25.080 no agency in this situation, that if the bait is set and he takes it, he is a victim

00:43:29.980 in that situation.

00:43:31.140 We got fact checks on questions like Sean noted.

00:43:34.200 There is no state where it's legal to kill a baby, right?

00:43:37.520 And if you make that fact check, and it is something that's sort of the end of an answer

00:43:41.120 to tell the viewer.

00:43:42.420 But if that is the case.

00:43:43.120 But let me ask you something, Tim.

00:43:44.000 Let me ask you a question.

00:43:44.840 In Minnesota, let me ask you a question.

00:43:46.800 One second.

00:43:47.380 I will just say, go ahead.

00:43:49.280 I'm fact checking you.

00:43:50.260 I'm fact checking you.

00:43:51.020 In Minnesota, if they are trying to abort a baby and the baby is born, notwithstanding

00:43:55.660 the abortion, it's born alive.

00:43:57.440 Are you aware that it is legal for them to just let the baby sit on the table and die?

00:44:02.100 They do not have to get medical care.

00:44:04.420 Do you know that?

00:44:07.220 But that is, but the way that Donald Trump is describing it is like women are making a decision

00:44:11.220 where they have a baby.

00:44:12.500 You didn't deny it.

00:44:13.980 That's what we're referring to when we say it's legal to kill the baby post-birth.

00:44:18.800 They tried, the Republicans tried to pass a federal bill that would make you provide

00:44:23.160 medical care, not just comfort care.

00:44:25.100 And the Democrats killed it.

00:44:27.720 Okay.

00:44:28.580 This is, I will just say, this is part of the reason why the dials testing for Democrats

00:44:32.860 released what we're hearing from the Biden campaign is the best on this issue is because

00:44:37.280 Republicans talk about it in this way.

00:44:39.340 I will just say, too, on the bias question with ABC, he had about six to seven extra

00:44:46.640 minutes to answer questions.

00:44:49.500 And that may be the worst things that the moderators actually did for Donald Trump is actually give

00:44:53.040 him extra time to speak because he couldn't stay on message because he followed every trap

00:44:58.400 and every rabbit hole she set for him.

00:45:00.260 And when he sent one for her, which was pretty gross, and I'm glad she didn't take it, that

00:45:04.260 she puts out, which is a fairly disgusting thing to say, she made it a question about

00:45:09.580 decency larger for the country.

00:45:11.560 So, like, I guess my point on the bias is these people have agency.

00:45:15.280 You can choose to answer the questions you want.

00:45:17.060 When you're answering a question about China, don't talk about how you love Xi.

00:45:21.040 Don't take the bait on your rallies being emptied.

00:45:27.340 Don't say that you would not necessarily veto an abortion ban.

00:45:31.560 Don't refer to the rioters at January 6th as we.

00:45:34.800 Don't give an incoherent answer on energy and oil.

00:45:37.940 Don't talk about eating people's pets.

00:45:39.760 And Tim, one more I'd add.

00:45:41.780 It is his choice.

00:45:43.620 One more I'd add.

00:45:44.160 Go ahead, Mark.

00:45:44.520 Say you want Ukraine to beat Russia.

00:45:47.260 He wouldn't say he wanted Ukraine to beat Russia.

00:45:49.340 Well, I understood why he said, you know, I understood why he didn't say what he said

00:45:54.340 about Ukraine, because let me tell you guys, in the Republican Party, they're over Ukraine.

00:45:57.920 They're done.

00:45:58.580 They're done funneling money to this country.

00:46:00.500 They believe that the war is already lost and that it will not be won by Ukraine and

00:46:04.900 that what needs to be said is let's face reality.

00:46:08.180 They've already lost.

00:46:09.860 And Donald Trump understands that.

00:46:11.580 And that is why he answered the way he did on Ukraine.

00:46:14.520 But the thing about the pets in Springfield, can we just spend a minute on that?

00:46:18.680 Because Trump was right.

00:46:21.060 We've seen first person testimonials by residents there saying, yes, they took ducks out of the

00:46:29.900 pond and beheaded them to eat them.

00:46:32.260 We've seen Facebook posts with a woman claiming that a cat had been stolen and that they saw

00:46:38.540 their family cat strung up the way you'd string up a deer and that it was clearly being skinned

00:46:44.420 and prepared to be eaten.

00:46:46.680 And all we have in response is the city manager vaguely saying that he doesn't believe these

00:46:52.300 things are true.

00:46:53.480 But there's no, these have been debunked.

00:46:55.560 They're not true.

00:46:56.400 I'm telling you, that's not what happened.

00:46:58.380 So once again, you have David Muir with his attempted fact check.

00:47:02.380 And Trump was right to say, I've seen the people themselves offering these testimonials.

00:47:07.700 This has been unresolved at best.

00:47:10.560 This has not been resolved in favor of the city manager.

00:47:14.020 Go ahead, Mark.

00:47:15.880 Oh, wait, I'm sorry.

00:47:16.960 I'll give you the floor.

00:47:17.560 Let me just make clear.

00:47:18.520 The reason this is relevant is because it's Haitian immigrants, migrants who have come

00:47:22.460 to the city and are accused of doing these things.

00:47:24.600 Go ahead.

00:47:25.160 Right.

00:47:26.380 But let's say it's 100% true.

00:47:28.380 And we don't know.

00:47:29.120 We don't know that it's false, but we don't know how true it is, right?

00:47:31.640 Let's say it's 100% true.

00:47:32.360 Is that really the best way for Donald Trump to have it out over the negative effects of

00:47:37.740 illegal immigrants in this country?

00:47:39.500 Is that really the best way?

00:47:40.940 No, he should have talked about Lake and Riley again.

00:47:43.180 Known murders.

00:47:44.560 Correct.

00:47:45.180 He should have said to her, Madam Vice President, tell us the story of Lake and Riley and what

00:47:49.680 it means to you.

00:47:51.320 You know?

00:47:51.600 Yeah.

00:47:52.580 Fighting about dogs and ducks when there's actual concrete examples.

00:47:57.500 It's testament to how easily he was baited and how, as much as the moderators were absolutely

00:48:03.600 against him, he did himself no favors.

00:48:06.680 Tim, what are you hearing amongst Democrats?

00:48:08.500 Are they euphoric tonight?

00:48:09.940 They feel like this is a crushing, you know, because now she's out there saying, let's have

00:48:13.000 another debate.

00:48:13.540 Let's have lots of debates.

00:48:15.220 Yeah.

00:48:16.180 I'm trying to put my best poker face on here for how good I feel, you know?

00:48:19.940 So I think it was, I think people are happy with how the debate turned out.

00:48:25.000 I think, look, there's, yeah, there's, there's a little bit of euphoria on the Democratic side

00:48:29.380 right now for how well this debate went.

00:48:31.420 But I think people come back down to earth very quickly understanding that, yes, this

00:48:36.600 is the largest bipartisan audience we're probably going to get that's going to be able to see

00:48:39.700 the two of them on stage.

00:48:41.160 But this is going to be a really, really close race.

00:48:44.180 And it's going to remain that way after this debate.

00:48:46.020 So even when it feels like a slam dunk on either side, we still are where we are.

00:48:50.760 I did note that, you know, Brian Fallon tweeted that they are, they were happy with the debate.

00:48:57.240 They're looking forward to doing it again in October.

00:48:59.580 So I said this morning, I lean towards a second debate will happen.

00:49:04.740 I still believe that.

00:49:06.740 There was not a single question about, yeah, go ahead, Sean, go ahead.

00:49:10.280 Because there's, just be careful what you wish for.

00:49:12.540 I just don't, I don't, I think that at best, this debate is a push.

00:49:16.320 I think the Kamala Harris folks might, I don't, I think the people who were supporting her

00:49:20.980 are probably excited.

00:49:22.180 I think the conversations that I've had and the texts that I've had with folks on Team

00:49:25.760 Trump think that he did exactly what he needed to do.

00:49:28.500 People were looking at him to see if he would go over the top, if there was going to be name

00:49:31.540 calling.

00:49:31.880 Remember, there was bars set for each of them.

00:49:34.320 And people were concerned that Trump was going to come out and call her names and talk

00:49:37.960 over her or whatever.

00:49:39.060 He actually flipped the script on her as you played just a moment ago when he said, I'm talking

00:49:43.000 now, using that famous line that she used against Vice President Pence in the 2020 cycle.

00:49:48.020 So I think that we have to judge this.

00:49:50.340 The real audience here were those undecided, persuadable people in the seven battleground

00:49:54.820 states.

00:49:55.120 And I don't really think, to be honest with you, that the needle got pushed a lot for

00:49:58.580 either candidate.

00:49:59.480 Both sides got kind of what they wanted out of this debate.

00:50:02.360 And if there's a second debate, there's more for her to lose than for him to gain.

00:50:07.660 Here's that thought you just mentioned.

00:50:09.660 You think he got what he wanted.

00:50:10.820 Let me just play a stop 15 that Sean just referenced.

00:50:14.240 Watch.

00:50:15.760 In Minnesota, she went out.

00:50:17.560 Wait a minute.

00:50:17.940 I'm talking now, if you don't mind, please.

00:50:21.540 Does that sound familiar?

00:50:24.680 She went out.

00:50:26.960 She went out.

00:50:28.840 All right.

00:50:29.340 It was a good line.

00:50:30.160 He had it ready.

00:50:31.220 Almost everything she said was canned.

00:50:32.840 Almost everything she said.

00:50:33.900 I mean, and she did a good job of memorizing her lines.

00:50:35.640 I'm so sorry to interrupt, but if that was his prepared line that landed, that people

00:50:41.460 are really excited about, man, I feel better about this debate.

00:50:44.300 You didn't like run, spot, run?

00:50:45.660 You didn't like run, spot, run?

00:50:47.020 I thought that was good early on.

00:50:48.780 The whole election is about him convincing people she's out of the mainstream.

00:50:53.500 And he just didn't do it.

00:50:55.000 I mean, there's just no evidence that he achieved that.

00:50:57.600 I don't know.

00:50:58.180 I don't think this wins the election for her.

00:51:00.380 I don't think it loses it for him, but just, and again, two on, two, one on three is not

00:51:06.700 easy, but you know, he's got some individual lines he can play, but go back and review the

00:51:13.600 transcript, go back and watch the whole thing and find just how often he failed to do anything

00:51:19.700 on his core mission of defining her as out of the mainstream.

00:51:22.360 Well, can I, the thing that's interesting, Mark, is that right when the debate started

00:51:27.480 and, and David Muir posed that four year, you know, are you better off four year question

00:51:31.500 to her, that was an opportunity for her.

00:51:34.020 She didn't answer the question, but I also thought that he should have come right out

00:51:37.400 of the gate and said, you're not better off four years ago and contrasted his record

00:51:41.660 right away.

00:51:42.160 I think that was a missed opportunity.

00:51:43.440 I'll give you that.

00:51:44.160 But for anyone who is looking right when that debate started to see how she would answer

00:51:48.260 the question, it was not a good answer on her behalf.

00:51:51.500 Her answers were horrible, but Sean, he didn't hold her accountable on that or on immigration.

00:51:55.520 Yeah, I know.

00:51:57.600 Well, I mean, I have to say though, I had sympathy for Trump.

00:52:00.880 I really did because he was, it was everywhere.

00:52:04.820 It was coming at him from everywhere.

00:52:06.920 She was hammering him.

00:52:08.160 The questions that he was being asked in the principal sense were hammering him.

00:52:12.200 The fake fact checks were hammering him.

00:52:14.300 She was lying and there was no fact check.

00:52:16.700 And then they turned to him and not let him respond and hit him with another controversy.

00:52:21.020 I mean, it was an all pile on and I felt for the guy.

00:52:24.980 I, he's only human.

00:52:26.520 This would have been tough.

00:52:27.780 Look, I feel like this would have been tough for me and I can argue these issues.

00:52:31.820 I, I'm good at arguing these issues because I practice law.

00:52:34.260 But Megan, are you the least bit surprised though, Megan, that that's what happened?

00:52:39.140 Are you the least bit surprised?

00:52:40.420 Yeah, I am.

00:52:41.080 I actually thought that they'd go CNN route.

00:52:43.120 I thought they'd go the Dana Bash, Jake Tapper route of what are we going to do about social

00:52:47.460 security?

00:52:48.320 What are we going to do about the border?

00:52:49.660 What are you going to, you know, I didn't think they would be this biased.

00:52:52.520 I thought they'd worry about their reputations.

00:52:54.160 And now here's, you're getting reaction like this media reactions pouring in.

00:52:58.160 I'll, I give you Chris Wallace.

00:53:01.520 I didn't think I was ever going to witness a debate as devastating as the one that you

00:53:07.340 and Dana moderated back in, in June where Joe Biden basically tanked his reelection campaign.

00:53:14.200 I think tonight was just as devastating.

00:53:16.600 I think that Kamala Harris pitched a shutout on almost every subject I can think of.

00:53:23.580 She shut Trump down on abortion.

00:53:26.020 She shut Trump down on January 6th and democracy.

00:53:30.060 She shut him down on national security and turned to the former president and said, the

00:53:34.160 military leaders who served with you think that you're a disgrace.

00:53:37.580 And then as Dana mentioned, very powerfully at the end, made the point that she is the

00:53:42.560 candidate of change.

00:53:43.480 We need to turn the page from a decade of division and polarization on substance.

00:53:49.780 I think she, she pitched a shutout and I think she did on style as well.

00:53:54.680 I just, I find that amazing.

00:53:57.260 I look, I think these Democrats are feeling good because they finally have a candidate who

00:54:00.360 can argue unlike the one we saw in the June debate.

00:54:02.600 But I believe that this did not turn anything in her favor.

00:54:08.120 And I actually do not think there's going to be a big bounce for her in the polls.

00:54:10.940 And I think Trump remains on track to win this election.

00:54:13.880 Mark, am I wrong?

00:54:17.000 I agree with everything but the last point.

00:54:19.100 And I think the last point is only true if through the course of the campaign and advertising

00:54:23.620 and his own events, he convinces the country that she's more out of the mainstream than he

00:54:28.220 is.

00:54:29.080 And he just didn't, he just didn't do that tonight.

00:54:31.200 But I think if he does that, he'll win.

00:54:33.520 Megan, can I go back to one quick point you made about ABC?

00:54:36.620 Because I think this is important to understand, at least from my perspective.

00:54:39.900 I think ABC, for those of us who wanted to see fairness and look at the CNN debate, I

00:54:46.540 think for a lot of folks in the media and on the left, they didn't think that CNN did

00:54:49.980 enough to go after Donald Trump.

00:54:52.020 And when it comes to ABC, I think that they tried to fulfill what they believe their role

00:54:55.980 was to their constituency, which was, well, you need to take on Donald Trump.

00:55:00.560 They're going to get kudos from their colleagues and from the legacy media tonight because

00:55:05.380 they felt as though they had to fulfill that role.

00:55:09.320 That's exactly right.

00:55:10.080 I think it is not decisive.

00:55:11.480 Their boss is their best friend.

00:55:14.540 Yeah.

00:55:14.880 It's just not decisive either way.

00:55:16.820 It's just not decisive either way to say he got fact-checked three times at the end of

00:55:20.840 a question and therefore the whole debate is rigged.

00:55:22.780 I just think it's overblown.

00:55:24.780 And I think, you know, you can instill that feeling, I think, in a certain group of people,

00:55:31.480 Trump's base, who may feel that.

00:55:34.640 But I don't think that brings any new people.

00:55:36.980 Tim, just once, Tim, I want a Democrat to go through a debate like that with a supposedly

00:55:44.000 neutral media organization and see how you feel about it.

00:55:47.300 Just once.

00:55:47.520 Let me moderate it.

00:55:48.980 And that's exactly what will happen to her.

00:55:50.740 And I'll do it to him, too.

00:55:51.980 And I have a proven track record of being very, very tough on Republicans.

00:55:55.000 But Megan, if you did it, it wouldn't be like that because you would be tough on both

00:55:59.860 sides.

00:56:00.660 That's exactly right.

00:56:01.660 My point is being tough on.

00:56:03.500 Right.

00:56:03.820 But I'm saying let Tim and some Democrat he works for go to a debate that's three on

00:56:08.460 one and see how the Democrats feel about it.

00:56:11.000 Where all the fact checking is against one candidate and there is none against the other.

00:56:17.780 When all the controversial things that one candidate has done are teed up and he's hammered

00:56:24.140 on it.

00:56:24.560 And the next question is to his opponent saying, what do you think of that terrible controversy?

00:56:29.640 As opposed to drilling down on her weak spots.

00:56:33.040 It was the most egregious hour and 45 minutes of bias I have witnessed at any debate that

00:56:40.320 I have witnessed.

00:56:40.860 And I've witnessed and participated in a lot.

00:56:43.020 Go ahead, Tim.

00:56:44.940 No, I was just going to say, and look, you can ask those questions.

00:56:48.740 And as many people on debate stages have proven, you can answer those questions how you would

00:56:53.460 like.

00:56:53.940 And you can bait your opponent how you would like.

00:56:56.180 And you can stay on message.

00:56:57.640 And you can drive a core vision of what you want to do.

00:57:00.860 Fair point.

00:57:01.120 He just can't do that.

00:57:02.120 And that is, it is, it is a problem for him, I think, uniquely in a way that he's such a

00:57:06.640 highly reactive individual, right?

00:57:08.640 So when he does get prodded in that way, he is at a disadvantage because I think there

00:57:14.540 is something core in his DNA that he can't not take the bait in those situations.

00:57:19.980 I, you know, my, my question though, for Republicans walk, you know, walking out of this

00:57:23.340 is, is like, what was the plan?

00:57:25.340 And was this anywhere close to the plan?

00:57:27.820 Like, what was the outcome supposed to be here?

00:57:29.980 Did they, did they, if this was the belief that there was a grievance that ABC would

00:57:34.240 be biased, was there any preparation for that?

00:57:37.940 Was there any thought to how he would duck and dodge and maneuver on the stage to deal

00:57:42.680 with it?

00:57:43.020 Or do you just go in and then complain afterwards?

00:57:46.200 Here is, can we play SOT 26?

00:57:48.100 This is Trump in the spin room, uh, responding to her call for a second debate.

00:57:54.540 Why won't you commit to a second debate with Kamala Harris if you believe?

00:57:58.860 She wants a second debate because she lost tonight very badly.

00:58:01.700 So they want, they immediately call for a second debate because they lost.

00:58:05.840 So we'll, you know, think about that.

00:58:07.940 But, uh, she immediately called for a second.

00:58:10.380 Look, we're looking at polls, we're looking at polls, the worst, the worst poll that we've

00:58:15.840 had was 71 that I see 71% to like 24 or 25%.

00:58:21.640 Um, okay.

00:58:25.320 That's, that's, I didn't hear a yes, unfortunately, because I would like to see it happen again.

00:58:30.720 Uh, just, I'll leave you with this.

00:58:32.160 Excellent job by the ABC news moderators signed Jeffrey Toobin.

00:58:38.400 He really liked it.

00:58:40.700 How much did he like it?

00:58:42.200 And was his joy caught on camera?

00:58:44.280 You'll have to wait for that news story until another day.

00:58:47.000 Guys, thank you very much for being here.

00:58:49.200 It's a pleasure.

00:58:50.520 What a night.

00:58:52.020 Good to see you, Megan.

00:58:53.120 Thank you.

00:58:53.840 All right.

00:58:54.120 Coming up next, Eric Bolling.

00:58:56.000 He's got thoughts.

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00:59:55.160 Okay, joining me now is Eric Bolling.

01:00:02.900 He's host of the Eric Bolling podcast.

01:00:05.040 Eric, welcome back to the show.

01:00:06.620 Your thoughts on tonight.

01:00:09.000 Well, I think, Maggie, my thoughts are, I have lined with your thoughts as watching X and

01:00:13.380 I think we're seeing the same thing.

01:00:14.760 We're seeing the same debate where, you know, I was saying Disney must be so proud of themselves

01:00:19.420 because they got exactly what they wanted.

01:00:20.760 They wanted a pre-scripted, almost Broadway-like production and they got it.

01:00:25.720 David Muir is a fantastic broadcaster.

01:00:28.360 The problem is for us is that he is a terrible moderator.

01:00:31.820 You mentioned you should do another debate.

01:00:34.540 I agree with that because you're proving yourself to be tough on both sides.

01:00:37.840 I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's skirt or anything like that, but this was a bias.

01:00:42.300 I mean, back-checking only Trump time and time again.

01:00:45.620 Kamala Harris saying, I've never said I wasn't against fracking.

01:00:49.080 I've never said I'd vote against fracking.

01:00:51.140 I mean, there was no fact-checking.

01:00:53.380 There's no clarifications.

01:00:55.400 And then one, Megan, when David Muir said, I don't hear sarcasm in his voice and then

01:01:00.440 turns to Kamala Harris and says, what do you think?

01:01:03.400 And just gave her, you know, it's called a fat fastball right over the middle of the

01:01:07.120 plate for her just to hit it over the left field fence.

01:01:09.440 And she did.

01:01:10.400 I do think, Megan, and I didn't hear what some of your other guests were saying.

01:01:14.860 I think I was listening to the last panel.

01:01:16.880 I think they lean left a little bit with the exception of Spicer.

01:01:19.640 I'm not sure which way he leans, but I think they lean left, both of them.

01:01:23.500 I do think she did get him to take the bait.

01:01:28.700 Like, so I was watching.

01:01:30.440 I didn't want him to say, quiet, quiet.

01:01:33.220 He told her to say, quiet.

01:01:34.820 That bothered me a little bit.

01:01:36.020 I mentioned it.

01:01:37.160 But I also saw Trump who, instead of doing what he did with Joe Biden, which was very

01:01:42.060 reserved and just picked him apart, Trump took the bait and went after her.

01:01:46.260 Now, a lot of my friends who are very, very pro-Trump are saying, you know what?

01:01:50.820 He did what I did because I'm mad.

01:01:52.520 I'm pissed off that women, that men are playing in women's sports, that naked men in drag costumes

01:02:00.180 are prancing in front of our children.

01:02:02.120 And you really didn't see that in the debate, but she still represents that America.

01:02:07.500 And Trump represents the common sense, wholesome, patriotic America.

01:02:11.580 And you get mixed up in these debates and you just see who wins for the moment.

01:02:15.500 And I think, I can't say he won, okay?

01:02:19.720 I can't say he won.

01:02:21.520 On issues, he won, but the issues, he was great at the beginning on the economy and he

01:02:26.740 was great at the end.

01:02:28.260 And then ABC, Disney just gave her a whole plate, a silver platter of things she could

01:02:36.700 eat and chomp on and spit out.

01:02:38.640 So it was biased, but he held his own.

01:02:41.740 I don't know.

01:02:42.700 I totally get why the Democrats say she won and she did well for her, as I predicted.

01:02:47.980 I mean, I told the audience, I'd gone back and looked at that Kamala Harris versus Mike

01:02:51.640 Pence debate weeks ago, and I said, she did well.

01:02:54.400 You should know that she's going to do well.

01:02:56.600 She's obviously good at memorizing lines.

01:02:58.420 And it was very clear when she was just regurgitating her rehearsed bits.

01:03:01.620 But I can't shake the feeling that people know when they're looking at a phony, they know

01:03:06.320 that those bits were rehearsed.

01:03:08.180 The overly emotional facial expressions that she was doing for the first 35 to 40 minutes

01:03:14.060 made her look like off.

01:03:16.940 She looked off and she looked a little emotionally unstable to me.

01:03:21.720 She couldn't stop with the personal insults.

01:03:24.040 If Donald Trump had said half of the nasty things to her that she said to him on that

01:03:29.320 debate stage last night, we'd be hearing from all the CNN anchors about how alienating and

01:03:33.980 divisive he is and how these Republican women aren't going to like that.

01:03:38.180 And they're going to vote against him, but not a peep when she does it to him over and

01:03:42.440 over needling him personally.

01:03:44.060 And so while, yes, she spat out the her talking points and she did successfully bait him.

01:03:50.380 I just think because of all those things, I cannot say she won.

01:03:54.580 I'm not sure I can say Trump won either.

01:03:56.440 Maybe Spicer is the closest with it's a draw.

01:03:59.300 But in my it, my conclusion is this doesn't move the needle for her.

01:04:05.340 So, so Tim Hogan, the guy who just had on said something, actually said that on a pre-show,

01:04:10.720 I was doing a pre-show on Acts with Mario, Nafal's up and coming star.

01:04:14.760 I said, Trump should just answer what he wants to answer.

01:04:18.900 Forget answering the debate moderator's questions.

01:04:21.120 It's going to be biased.

01:04:22.540 He should have just taken abortion, Charlottesville take and turned it back into the economy,

01:04:27.940 the border or crime and just stay on those three and just go.

01:04:31.200 It's a tactic.

01:04:32.280 So many, so many great debaters are able to take the question, start to answer it and then

01:04:37.560 flip it into where they want to go with it.

01:04:39.620 He would have, he would have done, I think, far better.

01:04:41.760 Can I give you a football analogy?

01:04:44.100 Football season just started.

01:04:45.840 Yeah.

01:04:46.140 This is a game where Trump was blowing the other team out.

01:04:50.100 It's, it's the chiefs against whoever Baltimore last week.

01:04:53.540 They're blowing them out.

01:04:54.880 He's killing them.

01:04:56.040 They switched the quarterback, right?

01:04:58.180 She comes in and throws a couple of touchdown passes.

01:05:00.980 Now she hasn't been a quarterback.

01:05:02.220 She's just been a backbencher, but she gets lucky, throws some court, some touchdowns.

01:05:06.460 And everyone says, holy cow, Baltimore is going to beat the chiefs.

01:05:09.660 That's supposed to happen.

01:05:10.540 But until the reality sets in, she doesn't know the playbook.

01:05:16.200 You still have the rest of the game to finish.

01:05:18.840 And here's where we are.

01:05:20.140 We're halfway through the fourth quarter.

01:05:22.220 It's probably tie score.

01:05:23.720 Let's be honest.

01:05:24.260 It's probably a tie score, but you'd never bet against Patrick Mahomes in the fourth quarter

01:05:29.600 when you got the ball and it's a tie score.

01:05:32.200 He will come on strong at the end.

01:05:34.420 The problem is it took too long for him to get there with her.

01:05:39.120 I think they played this game of let's let her get through the DNC convention and then

01:05:44.900 we'll really go after her.

01:05:46.740 I thought he should have just started just banging her on all the, all the economy and

01:05:52.040 the flesh.

01:05:52.480 When you, when you back her into a corner on anything numbers, she has nowhere to go.

01:05:57.020 She has no DNA, no, nothing up here to, to, to rely, think back on high school algebra,

01:06:03.580 anything.

01:06:04.200 It becomes a vacant stare.

01:06:07.320 Almost when Lester Holt said, you haven't been to the border.

01:06:10.000 And she's, well, I haven't been to Europe either.

01:06:12.300 Ha ha ha.

01:06:12.980 That's where she is on policy.

01:06:14.800 But they just handed her, they handed her so many get out of jail free cards.

01:06:19.120 That's right.

01:06:19.480 And he played defense the whole time.

01:06:21.960 And here's another disgusting aggravation.

01:06:25.940 You know, this little nerdy, dweeby little man over on CNN named Daniel Dale, who does

01:06:32.600 fact checks supposedly against both sides.

01:06:35.920 He's super fair, Eric.

01:06:37.380 Well, this guy decides to tell us how the falsehoods shook out between these two candidates.

01:06:44.740 And here is his conclusion.

01:06:47.120 Jake, what stood out was that this was a staggeringly dishonest debate performance from former President

01:06:52.300 Trump.

01:06:52.740 Just lie after lie on subject after subject.

01:06:55.780 By my preliminary count, Jake, Trump made at least 33 false claims.

01:07:00.300 33.

01:07:01.160 By contrast, by, again, a preliminary count, Vice President Harris made at least one false

01:07:06.080 claim, though she added at least a few misleading claims and a few more that lack key context.

01:07:10.940 I think a lot of Americans say, well, all politicians lie.

01:07:13.460 No major presidential candidate before Donald Trump has ever lied with this kind of frequency.

01:07:17.720 A remarkably large chunk of what he said tonight was just not true.

01:07:20.940 And this wasn't like little exaggeration, political spin.

01:07:23.280 A lot of his false claims were untethered to reality.

01:07:25.920 On abortion, saying every Democrat wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, though actually more than

01:07:30.300 80 percent of Democrats supported Roe.

01:07:32.500 On crime, saying it's through the roof, though it's actually sharply down since early

01:07:36.040 2023, it's now lower than it was since Trump left office.

01:07:38.920 On health care, saying he's the one who saved Obamacare, the law he actually repeatedly tried

01:07:43.300 to overturn.

01:07:44.200 On Kamala Harris herself, saying that a Howard University grad, Black Law Students Association

01:07:48.740 president, had claimed that she wasn't black at one point.

01:07:51.840 Frankly, I don't have enough time here to run through each specific Trump false claim.

01:07:56.040 I urge people to go to our CNN website or our app to read our team's detailed fact checks

01:08:00.320 on this and a whole bunch more.

01:08:01.760 Or just one.

01:08:04.800 Why do you want to start with that?

01:08:06.340 Yeah, one.

01:08:06.840 Just one.

01:08:07.640 So from Kamala Harris.

01:08:08.560 And I believe it's the fracking lie where she claimed that she had said she wasn't going

01:08:11.400 to ban fracking, which she never said.

01:08:13.240 She only said Joe Biden wouldn't ban fracking.

01:08:15.640 She never reversed her her plan and state of belief that it should be banned.

01:08:19.500 And by the way, where was his fact check?

01:08:21.860 Even Snopes his fact check.

01:08:23.120 The fine people on both sides lie and the bloodbath lie.

01:08:27.100 Her claims about abortion, her claims about Trump and IVF, the Trump abortion ban line.

01:08:32.680 She kept saying Trump's abortion bans.

01:08:34.460 Trump has no abortion bans.

01:08:36.160 Trump appointed three justices to the U.S. Supreme Court who overruled Roe and said this

01:08:40.980 is a state's rights issue.

01:08:42.920 There's no Trump abortion ban.

01:08:44.560 Fucking Daniel Dale doesn't care about any of her falsehoods.

01:08:48.940 The same as Lindsay Davis and David Muir.

01:08:54.280 It's shocking that he could say, you know, he did, though.

01:08:57.240 He covered himself.

01:08:57.940 He said at least one for Kamala Harris, which means it could have been 50.

01:09:01.740 He didn't lie about that.

01:09:03.340 I'm joking here.

01:09:04.180 But one of the two areas where I think Trump really could have could have nailed her when

01:09:09.280 when Afghanistan came up the second time, David Muir said, I know we talked about before,

01:09:13.480 but Afghanistan, you know, where do you stand on the pullout?

01:09:16.620 And she said, I, I backed, I continue to believe Joe Biden made the right decision.

01:09:22.360 It was a horror.

01:09:23.160 It was one of the worst military decisions the world has ever seen, let alone America.

01:09:27.280 And I think Trump could have kept on her a little bit.

01:09:30.420 He, I know he did a little bit, but there was an opportunity there that I think was wasted.

01:09:34.000 And also when the topic of Hamas and Israel came up, he really could have pounded.

01:09:42.620 He could have drove in the wet, driven the wedge through the two sides of Kamala Harris's

01:09:47.440 mouth, the side that is trying to maintain the Jewish vote and the other side that's

01:09:51.760 trying to maintain the state of Minnesota and Michigan vote with the Muslim population

01:09:56.420 there.

01:09:57.020 They're on both sides.

01:09:57.920 They've been flip-flopping across the board on this.

01:10:00.140 And, and he, I didn't think he, he brought it home on that.

01:10:05.040 I hope there is another debate.

01:10:06.280 I hope the debate is somewhere neutral zone, digital, digital.

01:10:12.480 I mean, it's the only place to go right now.

01:10:13.900 Let's be honest.

01:10:14.520 Megan, you and I come from the, from the cable news world, Disney owns ABC, ABC owns the

01:10:20.580 moderators.

01:10:21.320 There's no question that the Disney board is wildly liberal.

01:10:24.660 They want, they want to Kamala Harris president.

01:10:27.220 If you think that these people who make millions upon millions of dollars from talent all the way

01:10:31.420 up to management, aren't trying to protect their own ass and their own paycheck, you're

01:10:35.640 out of your mind.

01:10:36.600 They're going to do it on the other, on the other side.

01:10:38.820 Let's be honest.

01:10:39.280 Fox has a, has a conservative board, maybe less conservative than it used to be, but it's

01:10:44.400 still a conservative board with the exception of, of, uh, uh, Paul Ryan, but, but they still

01:10:49.000 lean in the other direction.

01:10:50.720 Get out of that world, get out of the world where you're beholden to corporate boardrooms

01:10:55.280 and advertisers and go to some neutral zone, go to a digital space, Megan, and pick another

01:11:01.360 one.

01:11:02.060 I'll tell you exactly.

01:11:03.280 No, no, you know what?

01:11:05.120 I, no one else.

01:11:05.940 And this is not about a vanity project for me.

01:11:08.200 I've hosted plenty of debates in this, but this is why it should just be me.

01:11:11.700 It should be me alone because I, who in the country has been harder on Donald Trump in

01:11:19.200 presidential debates in a fair way, not like these moderators tonight, than me.

01:11:23.660 I have proven that I will not give him a pass in debates and there's zero chance.

01:11:30.020 I will give her a pass.

01:11:32.360 I told this story on a show I was on prior to the debate.

01:11:35.780 I said, I'm going out with Megyn Kelly later.

01:11:37.620 And I said, Megyn Kelly should be the host, should be a moderator of these debates.

01:11:41.400 Cause who can forget in that, in that famous moment where you were tough on Trump, let's

01:11:46.560 be honest, you were tough on him, but you were unfairly tough on him.

01:11:49.520 And, and, and I can't imagine, you don't have to tell us, but I can't imagine the amount

01:11:55.120 of input that you were getting from above and laterally and above from management and

01:11:59.920 board members and whatnot to, to push you in a direction.

01:12:02.920 And you, you did what your heart told you to do.

01:12:06.320 You were a journalist and you did what you're, you, you were on this earth, put on this earth

01:12:10.820 to do.

01:12:11.300 So, and look, and it's, and it's, it's been nothing but good again.

01:12:14.540 I'm not trying to kiss your butt or whatever, but that's what we need.

01:12:18.180 And we haven't had that.

01:12:19.000 I will give Jake Tapper and Dana bash credit for coming close to that.

01:12:23.320 I think they were, they did fine.

01:12:24.620 They also brought up climate change, but not the, not the cutting up of bodies, body parts

01:12:29.040 and children, but, but they did fine.

01:12:31.400 I mean, I would take that debate 10 times over what we just witnessed tonight.

01:12:34.980 Um, what does Trump do next?

01:12:37.340 Because I don't think he, like, there's no other obvious debate.

01:12:40.100 The only other one that he proposed was Fox and she said no to it.

01:12:43.920 And I noticed that in her, Oh, okay, I'll do another debate.

01:12:46.260 She's not saying I'll go on Fox because she knows what will happen when it's going, Fox

01:12:51.980 would be neutral.

01:12:53.100 They, they actually would not go easy on Donald Trump and hard on Kamala Harris.

01:12:57.160 I don't think, but she's not going to do it.

01:12:58.820 So what does Trump do now?

01:13:02.220 I, I, again, I think he agrees to another debate on, on a more neutral, neutral playing

01:13:06.580 ground.

01:13:06.860 Did you notice that this whole idea of muting the microphones only worked one way?

01:13:10.960 Did you know?

01:13:11.620 I mean, it, they never muted her microphone.

01:13:14.940 They were muting Trump left and right.

01:13:16.400 They let him speak if he wanted to, but she was never muted.

01:13:19.520 I heard her muted.

01:13:20.340 I think it's, I heard her muted a couple of times and she was a chatty Kathy.

01:13:23.640 She wouldn't shut up.

01:13:24.620 She couldn't control herself over there.

01:13:26.300 She was very unsteady in the first half hour.

01:13:28.360 And then it started to go downhill because the moderators shifted it.

01:13:31.900 Whenever she was on the ropes, they would inject themselves and they would shift it.

01:13:35.900 Oh, here's a little question on abortion for you.

01:13:38.280 That'll make you happy.

01:13:39.120 And you can see her with her dry mouth and her obvious nerves calm down.

01:13:44.780 Once they brought her to the promised land.

01:13:46.940 And race and race.

01:13:49.440 Now, if you take, if you poll America, what are the most important things to you right

01:13:53.300 now?

01:13:53.900 Cost of goods, fuel prices, inflation, crime, sending my daughter to school.

01:13:59.360 She was hoping she doesn't get raped by an immigrant on illegal immigrant on the way

01:14:03.940 or get a volleyball smashed in her face by a man who wants to be a woman.

01:14:08.480 Those are the things that Americans care about.

01:14:10.220 They don't care that Donald Trump once said, I don't know if she's black or not, because

01:14:13.780 sometimes she says she is, sometimes she says she's not.

01:14:16.840 And that, that topic came up a little bit after abortion and maybe they mixed in Charlottesville

01:14:22.660 in the middle of that.

01:14:23.460 So, you know, they started out with the economy and maybe that was a bait and switch.

01:14:28.040 Like, look over here, here's the shiny object.

01:14:30.020 And they just went in for probably a full hour right into Kamala Harris's sweet zone.

01:14:35.800 You know, just gave it, just served it up to her on a silver platter.

01:14:39.020 Yes, it was all of her favorite little lovelies rubbing all over her.

01:14:43.700 January 6th, election denialism, climate change, abortion.

01:14:47.640 Yes, bring it on.

01:14:49.020 That's really what we witnessed.

01:14:50.800 Eric, stand by.

01:14:51.620 I've got to say goodbye to the SiriusXM audience because we are going to wrap at midnight sharp.

01:14:55.460 I want to keep you for a couple of minutes thereafter, if you don't mind, because I just

01:14:57.960 have a couple of points I want to make.

01:14:58.980 We just got this soundbite in from Nicole Wallace.

01:15:01.340 The media problem must be addressed in just a little bit more detail.

01:15:03.920 So don't go away.

01:15:04.700 Okay.

01:15:04.860 Can you stand by?

01:15:06.920 Sure.

01:15:07.160 Thank you, my friend, SiriusXM listeners.

01:15:09.420 Thank you very much for tuning in at this late hour.

01:15:11.320 We appreciate you tonight and every night.

01:15:13.420 We'll be back tomorrow at noon East on Channel 111 Triumph.

01:15:18.140 We'll see you then.

01:15:19.200 Thanks for listening.

01:15:23.260 Okay.

01:15:23.800 Let's keep going, Eric.

01:15:25.680 Okay.

01:15:26.200 So the media, I'm genuinely distressed by it.

01:15:31.380 Like I genuinely feel like we've crossed a Rubicon here that cannot be uncrossed.

01:15:35.500 The willingness to actually jump into the tank and swim and paddle for her tonight was absolutely

01:15:44.120 egregious.

01:15:44.900 And to me, it was shocking, even from an industry that we know is biased towards the left.

01:15:50.660 Here was Nicole Wallace over on MSNBC.

01:15:54.340 Listen to the soundbite.

01:15:55.340 Appearing to admit that it was three on one.

01:15:58.440 And this is a person who loathes Trump with a passion of 10,000 suns.

01:16:03.140 Watch.

01:16:03.200 David Muir didn't hesitate to say, I went back and watched the tape.

01:16:07.360 You didn't sound sarcastic to me when you said, I lost by a whisker.

01:16:11.480 Kyle Meyers got Trump on three sides of whether or not he won in 2020.

01:16:15.800 He said, I won.

01:16:17.360 And then he said, I said sarcastically that I lost by a whisker.

01:16:21.220 And then David Muir ended it by saying, no, that wasn't sarcastic.

01:16:23.780 So what the American people heard was Trump on three sides of the outcome of 2020.

01:16:27.880 And David Muir and Lindsay Davis played an important role in that.

01:16:33.380 There it is.

01:16:34.680 They certainly did.

01:16:36.420 What an admission.

01:16:37.080 That was one topic, one comment, that sarcasm that I didn't hear sarcasm throwing to Kamala

01:16:45.600 Harris was like I mentioned earlier, it was like one of the most egregious things I've

01:16:49.240 seen right up there with your old friend, Chris Wallace, fact checking Trump erroneously.

01:16:54.460 And one of the debates saying that the Russia Hunter laptop was a Russian misinformation

01:17:01.460 campaign.

01:17:02.720 And we now know it wasn't.

01:17:03.880 He stopped the debate in his tracks to attack.

01:17:07.820 Yeah.

01:17:08.000 He shut down Trump and he was wrong.

01:17:10.060 And the same thing happened with David Muir on what you pointed out earlier on the animals

01:17:16.580 being tortured or eaten in Springfield, Ohio and other places.

01:17:21.340 Really?

01:17:21.440 Can I just show you, let me just show you the sound bites on Springfield.

01:17:25.420 Let's just show this, this, they, they made it sound like Trump is just some lunatic making

01:17:31.100 this stuff up out of whole cloth.

01:17:32.760 Here's what we've been seeing over the past couple of days.

01:17:35.860 This is from Springfield.

01:17:39.200 And it's nothing but immigrants over there.

01:17:42.220 And I don't even want to like seem like I'm coming down on the immigrants because it's

01:17:45.820 the people that's bringing them down here because wherever they're at, that's what they're

01:17:49.220 used to, bro.

01:17:49.740 So they're in the park grabbing up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and

01:17:55.520 walking off with them and eating them like.

01:17:58.720 Okay.

01:17:59.320 And now on top of that, um, Springfield, Ohio, Facebook post warning to all about our beloved

01:18:05.360 pets and those around us.

01:18:06.460 My neighbor informed me, her daughter's friend had lost her cat.

01:18:09.120 She checked pages, kennels and asked around, et cetera.

01:18:12.160 One day she came home from work.

01:18:13.380 As soon as she stepped out from her car, look toward a neighbor's house where Haitians live

01:18:17.700 and saw her cat hanging from a branch like you would do to a deer for butchering.

01:18:22.460 And they were carving it up to eat.

01:18:24.640 I've been told they are doing this.

01:18:26.800 Uh, they have been doing it at Snyder park with the ducks and geese.

01:18:31.460 As I was told, um, that last bit by rangers and police, please keep a close eye on these

01:18:36.860 animals.

01:18:37.760 Um, you heard that guy.

01:18:39.480 And now do we have the federalist report?

01:18:41.740 Uh, because they're out there with a report and the nine one one call on, all right, we

01:18:47.280 don't have the side.

01:18:47.980 We can lay it in later perhaps, but the federalist has a report about as follows recording of

01:18:52.640 a police phone call obtained by the federalist, revealing a local resident reporting a group

01:18:56.600 of Haitian migrants carrying four geese in Springfield, Ohio on, on August 26th quote,

01:19:01.740 I see a group of Haitian people.

01:19:03.440 There was about four of them.

01:19:04.960 They all had geese in their hands.

01:19:07.240 The caller tells the public services dispatcher, the caller told the dispatcher, he sought four

01:19:11.080 migrants in total, two men and two women, each carrying a single goose.

01:19:14.440 How many geese did they have?

01:19:15.520 As the dispatcher, uh, they each had one.

01:19:18.040 The caller says he spotted the Haitians carrying the geese at an intersection between water and

01:19:21.560 water street location that does exist in Springfield and is confirmed in the police

01:19:25.920 report later filed in the incident.

01:19:28.640 This is all we have on the other side is this officer, uh, a deputy director of public safety,

01:19:34.840 Jason Villa, who told NPR, I think it's sad.

01:19:38.640 Some people are using this as an opportunity to spread hate or spread fear.

01:19:43.480 We get these reports that the Haitians are killing ducks in a lot of our parks or the

01:19:48.300 Haitians are eating vegetables right out of the aisle at the grocery store.

01:19:51.580 And we haven't really seen any of that.

01:19:56.100 It's really frustrating as a community.

01:19:57.800 It's not helpful as we try to move forward.

01:19:59.380 We haven't really seen any of that.

01:20:01.720 So what you haven't really seen any of that.

01:20:06.100 What are you talking about?

01:20:07.320 Cause all you mentioned here was reports that they were killing ducks in a lot of your parks

01:20:13.260 and that they're eating vegetables.

01:20:15.100 You did not address the cat claim.

01:20:17.440 You did not address the, the federalist reporting that they had four of them, uh, and that it

01:20:22.720 was called into nine one one.

01:20:24.400 And you did not address the claim that at least in one case, a duck was beheaded.

01:20:29.440 You only speak to, um, the, the, that it's hold on.

01:20:34.700 How does he put it?

01:20:35.440 A lot of our parks, a lot of our parks.

01:20:37.440 So this is what you could call a non-denial denial.

01:20:39.660 And that's what David Muir thought was an appropriate fact check tonight.

01:20:45.740 Not just once he said it two or three times when Trump said, well, we'll see if that comes

01:20:50.340 out differently later.

01:20:51.260 It's like, no, I'm talking about this, this person, the one guy that you just mentioned.

01:20:55.720 Meanwhile, there are reports and reports.

01:20:57.580 It's all over the internet.

01:20:58.480 I will give you an anecdotal story.

01:21:01.080 And this is an absolute true story.

01:21:02.440 He's played professional baseball in the minor leagues.

01:21:05.500 There were a lot of Dominican players who were drafted.

01:21:08.100 They were young guys.

01:21:08.800 They never went to college.

01:21:10.360 We housed with them.

01:21:11.560 We roomed with them in Bradenton, Florida for the pirates.

01:21:14.600 And they would kill cats and eat them.

01:21:17.380 Honest to God, true story.

01:21:18.800 It happens.

01:21:19.820 It's the way of life in some countries.

01:21:21.760 It's just, it's an accepted behavior.

01:21:24.240 It's not here and it's not okay.

01:21:26.540 But for someone to say all these reports and those two or three people who are at a town

01:21:32.400 hall meeting talking about some things that were going on, that they're somehow not telling

01:21:37.020 the truth or they're lying.

01:21:38.180 That's ridiculous.

01:21:39.040 And even further, more ridiculous is you have a presidential campaign that's very tight,

01:21:43.400 very close.

01:21:43.940 You have likely a single presidential election debate.

01:21:49.280 And one of the moderators uses a shoddy fact check like that.

01:21:54.240 Honestly, Megan, that feels like someone came down from above, management, ABC or Disney

01:22:01.360 and said, if he brings up these cats, because it's bad, because it's everywhere.

01:22:05.480 It's just got the, it's got the country kind of freaked out that these people are, what

01:22:08.720 they're doing.

01:22:09.680 They probably said, make sure you stop him in his tracks because he, he went back two

01:22:14.320 or three, if you listen back to the tape, he stopped Trump two or three times on the

01:22:18.020 same topic, which is, that's highly unusual.

01:22:20.240 We have some of this queued up.

01:22:21.400 Let's, let's, let's take a listen to a side eight in Springfield.

01:22:27.360 They're eating the dogs, the people that came in, they're eating the cats.

01:22:31.760 They're eating, they're eating the pets of the people that live there.

01:22:37.160 She's laughing.

01:22:37.900 This is what's happening in our country.

01:22:40.040 I just want to clarify here.

01:22:41.340 You bring up Springfield, Ohio and ABC news did reach out to the city manager there.

01:22:45.980 He told us there had been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed,

01:22:50.480 injured or abused by individuals within the immigrant community.

01:22:54.120 Well, I've seen people on television.

01:22:55.140 Let me just say here, this is the.

01:22:56.460 The people on television say my dog was taken and used for food.

01:23:00.420 So maybe he said that and maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager.

01:23:04.320 I'm not taking this from television.

01:23:05.380 But the people on television say their dog was eaten by the people that went there.

01:23:10.680 Again, the Springfield city manager says there's no evidence of that.

01:23:13.320 Vice President Harris, I'll let you respond to the rest of what you've heard.

01:23:15.480 You talk about extreme.

01:23:19.720 She's laughing.

01:23:21.300 Four.

01:23:21.640 She.

01:23:22.300 Four times.

01:23:23.760 Four times.

01:23:24.700 David Muir jumped in.

01:23:26.620 ABC news said, I just want to say, I'm not talking about TV.

01:23:30.120 I'm talking about the city manager.

01:23:31.620 Four separate times he stopped Trump in this fact, in his correction, clarification, facts

01:23:36.760 of what he did call and then throws it to Kamala Harris.

01:23:40.420 Doesn't even let Trump get the rest of the thought out and then throws it to Kamala Harris.

01:23:44.380 That is, that's probably, I would say that's probably the most biased interaction of the

01:23:48.800 whole hour and 40 minutes debate.

01:23:50.300 What we have at this point is that he said, he said, he gave more credibility to the city

01:23:54.300 manager than he did to the woman who just posted on Facebook.

01:23:57.020 Then the person who called 911 as, as reported by the Federalist, then the people we just showed

01:24:01.460 you who testified at the city meeting, David Muir decided that he would be the arbiter of

01:24:06.440 truth and that he believed the city manager more than he believed those individuals.

01:24:10.580 What did you do, David Muir, to make sure the city manager is a truth teller?

01:24:13.500 Because his little denial sounds like somebody who is a woke leftist who's trying to run cover.

01:24:18.400 I can't stand that this has devolved into hate and fear mongering about the migrants.

01:24:23.320 Okay.

01:24:23.760 How did you satisfy yourself that that's not a political hack, as Trump was suggesting,

01:24:27.640 who's trying to run cover for a terrible thing that's happening in his city?

01:24:30.720 I don't know what the truth is.

01:24:32.080 And that is why I, as a debate moderator, would never have tried to settle the dispute.

01:24:36.260 At a presidential debate, he made himself into Candy Crowley.

01:24:41.220 That's what David Muir was doing over and over.

01:24:45.760 Megan, I think he, I think he is the 2024 version of 2020 Chris Wallace, where he stopped Trump

01:24:51.740 in his tracks and, and said, Hunter Biden laptop story is, is Russian disinformation,

01:24:56.880 misinformation.

01:24:57.180 And it's BS, it's bullshit.

01:24:59.060 It wasn't, it was true.

01:25:00.480 And, and Chris Wallace was the final arbiter of what was true at the time or not.

01:25:05.040 And he was completely wrong.

01:25:06.860 I, I, I'm, I'm given that anecdotal experience I had with the Dominicans.

01:25:12.220 I will tell you, there's a pretty darn good chance that there are people,

01:25:15.980 there's illegal immigrants who are doing nasty things to animals,

01:25:20.620 probably outside of Springfield, Ohio as well.

01:25:23.060 Probably in a lot of places that are just inundated with illegal migrants.

01:25:27.580 Cause they come here, honestly, Megan, they don't assimilate.

01:25:30.620 They don't come here to assimilate and be like us.

01:25:32.380 They come here and they're nice for a while.

01:25:34.960 And then all of a sudden they're doing things that they did in their home country.

01:25:37.580 You see it everywhere.

01:25:38.500 You see it everywhere.

01:25:39.500 I talked to someone today about that.

01:25:41.240 Like, you know, women are being salted at a higher rate,

01:25:44.240 an alarmingly higher rate by these illegal immigrants because it happens in their home country

01:25:49.060 and they get away with it there.

01:25:50.120 They come here on our streets and they're doing the same damn thing.

01:25:53.320 They're probably killing our animals, likely eating them as well.

01:25:56.720 David Muir shouldn't have fact checked him at four times, four times the way Chris Wallace.

01:26:03.400 And that was a pivotal moment in, in 2020, the Hunter Biden laptop story could have played,

01:26:08.840 could have had a lot of weight in whether you were going to vote for Joe Biden or not.

01:26:12.340 If I had been David Muir and she was cackling over there in response to this,

01:26:16.220 this allegation that Trump was making, which again is not made up.

01:26:19.160 Trump is getting this from actual residents of Springfield who have been all over the media saying

01:26:23.360 this.

01:26:23.980 I would have turned to her and I would have said, irrespective of the cats and the dogs and the

01:26:28.380 geese, madam, Americans are being killed.

01:26:31.660 We have the story of Lake and Riley among others.

01:26:34.040 We have little kids who have been attacked in pedophile, pedophilic rapes.

01:26:39.200 We have young girls who have been murdered.

01:26:41.620 A 12 year old down at the Southern border.

01:26:44.180 However, illegal immigrants are murdering Americans.

01:26:48.000 How dare you stand there and laugh?

01:26:50.720 What are you laughing about?

01:26:52.460 I mean, she got a complete pass on her inappropriate behavior because they're all team Harris.

01:27:00.860 If you don't believe me, take a look at John Carl.

01:27:04.920 There is he chief White House correspondent.

01:27:06.480 Is that his title?

01:27:07.000 Steve Krakauer.

01:27:07.480 His reaction, DC, whatever, I don't know what he is.

01:27:13.000 He's high up on the political food chain at NBC.

01:27:15.620 His reaction to the debate.

01:27:17.220 Watch.

01:27:18.400 Part of the reason is Donald Trump really was not effective in bringing the debate to her.

01:27:23.080 I agree with you.

01:27:23.960 I think that he looked not just angry, but also rattled.

01:27:28.740 And in contrast, Harris, who, again, much of the world doesn't know, Harris looked like she belonged on the stage, looked like she is somebody that could serve as president.

01:27:42.200 Yeah, I'm sure he wants that.

01:27:44.180 He's a chief Washington correspondent for ABC.

01:27:46.120 So I watched, they, they did an hour lead up to the debate, ABC, and I happened to watch it.

01:27:52.920 I watched it too.

01:27:53.320 It was egregious.

01:27:55.760 Oh my, how much fawning over Kamala Harris could John Carl possibly do?

01:28:00.040 I mean, he, you know, you mentioned Jeffrey Toobin earlier.

01:28:03.060 It could have been a Jeffrey Toobin moment, practically.

01:28:05.220 And honestly, like the, the way they talked about Donald Trump and, you know, this Lindsay Davis, she actually was one of the people pushing the, oh, Trump went to this city and this city has KKK members.

01:28:18.280 And that's basically why, you know, he's going, is this some sort of an endorsement, like aligning Trump with the KKK?

01:28:23.720 Because he went to the same town that Joe Biden went to that were a KKK Supreme wizard or whatever you call him lived.

01:28:31.380 Watch this.

01:28:31.880 This is old Lindsay Davis, not old.

01:28:33.680 It's like three weeks ago.

01:28:35.260 This is the same person who moderated tonight's debate.

01:28:37.820 Watch.

01:28:39.160 You know, President, former President Donald Trump is expected to go campaign in Howell, Michigan tomorrow.

01:28:46.440 Many people are aware that a month ago in Howell, KKK protesters marched in the streets with the white robes on and suggested that they support Donald Trump.

01:28:58.380 I'm curious if you make anything about that connection and his going in particular to Howell tomorrow.

01:29:03.680 Hmm.

01:29:06.220 It's amazing.

01:29:06.960 She got picked.

01:29:09.240 Yeah.

01:29:09.900 Like I said, Megan, Disney owns ABC.

01:29:12.560 ABC owns the talent.

01:29:13.880 This, this was a trickle down from the Disney boardroom straight down.

01:29:17.200 And we know how Disney feels about conservatives.

01:29:19.240 We watch it.

01:29:19.960 I watch it in Florida.

01:29:20.860 I live in Florida.

01:29:21.420 I watch it all the time.

01:29:22.900 The fighting between DeSantis and Disney is nonstop.

01:29:26.140 It's a wildly woke company.

01:29:27.860 And Trump is the anti-woke candidate.

01:29:30.440 And Dana Walden is one of Kamala Harris's best friends.

01:29:33.000 She's a woman who runs it.

01:29:34.320 Right.

01:29:34.500 And she's one of her best friends.

01:29:36.000 Yeah.

01:29:37.040 If you think, if you think a Kamala Harris presidency won't be splashed with wokeism and, and a revibrance of the pride parades and the trans, it's, it's on its way, folks.

01:29:50.000 It's on its way.

01:29:50.640 She's going to make Joe Biden look like a normal president.

01:29:54.660 Well, listen to this, listen to this, just in case you had any doubt about ABC's intention to take out Donald Trump tonight in an ambush.

01:30:02.000 Not only did they put this woman who tried to link him to the KKK in his debate moderator and chose David Muir, who's hosted, according to the Media Research Center, the world nightly news show that is the most biased out of all three of them, NBC, CBS, or ABC, by far against Trump.

01:30:17.840 Almost no negative stories about Kamala Harris.

01:30:21.420 Almost all negative stories about Donald Trump.

01:30:24.400 But tonight, who do they book on Jimmy Kimmel following the debate in their big show?

01:30:30.640 George Conway.

01:30:32.840 Lincoln Project never Trumper in chief, who earlier tonight tweeted out as follows.

01:30:39.800 This is the most brutal beatdown I've ever seen in a presidential debate.

01:30:43.700 I love the Kamala.

01:30:45.240 What the F is he talking about?

01:30:46.960 Look, the way she looks at him, she shows that she's not afraid.

01:30:50.780 She shows that he is a joke.

01:30:52.840 Bravo.

01:30:54.080 God bless our next president, Kamala Harris.

01:30:59.240 That's who's on Jimmy Kimmel right now.

01:31:01.160 This was an ambush.

01:31:02.120 That's what he walked into tonight.

01:31:03.540 And he emerged, once again, shot up a bit, but I think still strong and I think still well positioned to win this race.

01:31:11.020 You know, there's a cottage industry that's shot up since Donald Trump became president.

01:31:16.620 It's the anti-Trump derangement people.

01:31:18.720 It's like the rhinos that were being escorted out of Washington, D.C.

01:31:22.960 And then there's these people, these George Conways and Lincoln Projects and the other people who kind of never really were conservative, but see no lane for them to be relevant other than to attack Trump as his attachment to Kellyanne Conway.

01:31:38.340 Or as these former Trump comms people, Alyssa Farrah on The View and the rest of them, Stephanie Grisham.

01:31:47.140 These people used to work for Trump.

01:31:48.300 And I know because I used to be in D.C. and they adored him when they worked for him.

01:31:52.240 They adored him.

01:31:53.060 And then somehow there's a job waiting for them to bash him on the way out once they don't work for him anymore.

01:31:59.340 It's a little cottage industry.

01:32:00.340 Cottage industry.

01:32:01.460 Yeah, I think he's beat up.

01:32:02.540 But again, Megan, again, it's the fourth quarter that's tied.

01:32:07.180 I mean, to be honest, it's probably a tie game right now.

01:32:09.980 But Patrick Mahomes, Donald Trump has the ball and never bet against Patrick Mahomes with the ball tie game in the fourth quarter ever.

01:32:17.420 Speaking of Patrick Mahomes, whose wife, Brittany, made the comment about Trump and his good friends with Taylor Swift.

01:32:22.760 But now, OK, so we read this.

01:32:26.080 We read Taylor's whole post earlier.

01:32:27.960 So the audience knows what we're talking about.

01:32:29.420 But she's endorsed Kamala Harris tonight and amazingly, amazingly said the thing that pushed her over the edge was her selection of Tim Walls because of his LGBTQ agenda.

01:32:40.540 I'm going to go ahead and venture a guess.

01:32:43.660 She's a know nothing that she knows absolutely fucking nothing about this issue.

01:32:47.340 Does she know that he's bringing kids across the state line from other states whose parents don't want them to chop off their body parts?

01:32:55.320 And he's having courts seize jurisdiction over them so that they can order that those be paid on the Medicaid dime in Minnesota without the parents' consent.

01:33:06.700 Minor children being pulled away from their loving parents so that Tim Walls can cut off their genitals.

01:33:13.240 Taylor, did you know that?

01:33:15.400 Are those your little fans?

01:33:16.560 Are you in favor of your little 13-year-old fans in Minnesota or around Minnesota getting pulled into Minnesota to get their breasts chopped off and to be sterilized with puberty blockers straight into cross-sex hormones?

01:33:28.720 Is that what you stand for?

01:33:30.420 Taylor, thank God my daughter's not a fan of yours.

01:33:33.300 But if she were, that would be it.

01:33:34.960 Here's Rick Grinnell.

01:33:37.180 Taylor Swift does not let people comment on her public endorsement.

01:33:41.000 She turned off comments on Eric.

01:33:42.520 LOL.

01:33:43.500 Typical of today's left.

01:33:45.400 They can't tolerate dissenting views.

01:33:47.760 So what do you make of the Taylor Swift endorsement?

01:33:53.380 Other than the fact that I'm concerned because my beloved Kansas City Chiefs, I used to love Travis Kelsey and I can't stand him now because of the stupid thing he does with her.

01:34:03.040 But here's the reality.

01:34:05.720 She's going to move the needle.

01:34:08.160 She's going to get people to vote for Kamala Harris.

01:34:10.960 I don't think so.

01:34:11.120 As ridiculous as this sounds, there are so, honestly, Megan, there are so many dumb voters.

01:34:19.160 There are so many people who just look at a celebrity or someone like, or a musician, especially as big as Taylor Swift, who go, if Taylor likes her, then so do I.

01:34:28.400 Look, Taylor Swift is probably responsible for 2% to 3% more female attendance and viewership for the NFL.

01:34:37.080 Taylor Swift, one person.

01:34:38.560 The NFL did a study.

01:34:40.040 They were about 46% female, 54% male prior to the Taylor Swift-Travis Kelsey romance.

01:34:46.460 And now it's probably 50-50, they say.

01:34:50.160 So like it or not, and no sane football fan is going to listen to what Taylor Swift thinks, but she moves a zeitgeist needle, so to speak.

01:34:59.540 And unfortunately, young people, oh, man, this is just scary.

01:35:03.000 This is scary.

01:35:03.780 I'm in New York City.

01:35:04.980 By the way, I never want to be here again.

01:35:05.800 I don't deny her power in the music industry, but I just don't think somebody's going to pull the lever for Kamala Harris because she told them to.

01:35:13.460 Let's hope not.

01:35:14.560 Let's hope not.

01:35:15.480 I just can't.

01:35:15.500 I mean, look, that's just my armchair opinion.

01:35:18.680 I could be wrong.

01:35:19.240 I've been wrong about plenty of things, but I don't believe that.

01:35:22.200 Here is what Kamala Harris and her team are doing tonight with a drone.

01:35:28.900 There's some video of a drone with a message in the sky.

01:35:32.440 It reads, Madam Vice President, everyone's taking pictures, and then wait for it.

01:35:38.400 But the vice disappears, and we're just left with the Madam President.

01:35:45.620 Can I just comment on this whole media thing, this whole blitz?

01:35:50.640 And you have to give them credit for this.

01:35:52.580 They're being very creative.

01:35:54.080 Almost every time I open my laptop, I got a Kamala Harris.

01:35:56.460 I hate it.

01:35:57.460 I got a Kamala Harris ad at that place.

01:36:00.780 They're putting it in very selective and smart locations.

01:36:04.160 Her campaign has probably put together the best game plan for a quarterback who sucks.

01:36:11.020 I'll use the football analogy one more time.

01:36:13.160 She's incompetent.

01:36:13.940 She doesn't know the playbook.

01:36:15.040 She's not talented, but they've got the best playbook to beat the other team.

01:36:19.440 We're going to drag her into the end zone.

01:36:22.760 Right, right, right.

01:36:24.640 Yes, they're figuring out the thing that they have, and they call it the brotherly shove

01:36:30.560 instead of brotherly love, where the quarterback gets the ball and the whole team pushes them

01:36:34.200 forward, which used to be illegal.

01:36:36.120 My point is they're finding the right places to gain ground, to gain, let's say, votes.

01:36:44.340 Again, battle state.

01:36:46.700 I will tell you, I believe this election is coming down to Pennsylvania.

01:36:50.400 That's why Trump should have stayed on fracking for an hour, because it was Pennsylvania that

01:36:55.040 was going to get hurt the most by her fracking, original OG fracking ban that she walked back

01:37:01.520 recently.

01:37:02.180 But that's where I believe this election will be won or lost in Pennsylvania, and fracking

01:37:07.960 matters to those folks.

01:37:09.400 Here's the final indignity of ABC.

01:37:12.720 Guess who else has booked on Kimmel tonight?

01:37:14.340 The bookend to their debate.

01:37:16.160 Not just George Conway, Jane Fonda.

01:37:19.020 I just, okay, it's the anti-American, yeah, believable.

01:37:25.220 I mean, it's unbelievable what Trump walked into tonight.

01:37:28.120 He should never do that again.

01:37:29.680 Republicans should never do that again.

01:37:32.740 There should never be another general election presidential debate or Republican primary debate

01:37:38.760 on ABC News ever, period.

01:37:42.940 And if any candidate agrees to that, they should have to answer to Republican voters why they

01:37:47.680 intentionally try to sink their chances by agreeing to go into such a lion's den.

01:37:52.100 It's just, the deck is stacked, and there's only so much any human can do.

01:37:55.540 Trump, of course, is claiming victory anyway.

01:37:58.020 We'll see.

01:37:58.960 We'll see some polls.

01:38:00.820 We'll see.

01:38:01.640 I've got my doubts about whether her exaltation and exuberance is going to last for very long.

01:38:08.300 Eric, great to see you.

01:38:10.500 You too, Megan.

01:38:11.640 Congratulations.

01:38:12.200 Great show, by the way.

01:38:13.420 Thank you very much.

01:38:14.400 Oh, and thanks to all of you.

01:38:15.260 I would love to know what you think.

01:38:18.320 You've heard what I think and what our guests think.

01:38:20.720 Just send me an email.

01:38:22.560 We have well over a million watching us on YouTube and plenty more on podcasts and so on.

01:38:26.760 So I'd be delighted to get your thoughts before we go on the air tomorrow.

01:38:29.680 We'll read some of them.

01:38:30.700 You can email me at megan, M-E-G-Y-N, at megankelly.com.

01:38:34.960 And just let me know what you thought.

01:38:36.360 Who won?

01:38:37.300 How did she do?

01:38:38.080 How did Trump do?

01:38:38.920 Does it move the needle?

01:38:39.960 And what did you think of the Taylor endorsement?

01:38:41.540 And what did you think of ABC?

01:38:43.200 We're back tomorrow.

01:38:45.680 We'll have more coverage.

01:38:46.640 I'm sure the media meltdown in her favor will be disgusting and sycophantic between now and then.

01:38:51.240 We'll have that covered for you as well.

01:38:52.860 And we'll go over what the snap polls are saying, as well as some of these other debate moments

01:38:58.640 that we didn't quite get to tonight.

01:39:00.080 Don't miss that.

01:39:01.320 We will see you then with our friends from the fifth column.

01:39:04.880 See you then and good night.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 11, 2024

Trump vs. Harris AND the Moderators in Biased ABC Debate, with Jashinsky, Lowry, Halperin, Hogan, Spicer, and Bolling ｜ Ep. 884

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