The Megyn Kelly Show - Unanimous Trump Victory at Supreme Court, and 60 Minutes ＂Moms for Liberty＂ Hit Job, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus

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00:00:30.980 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.800 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:47.220 We start the week with some major breaking news and utter humiliation for far leftists

00:00:53.940 who thought they could manipulate in an election into bullying Donald Trump right off the ballot.

00:01:00.000 With unelected bureaucrats declaring him an insurrectionist and saying he couldn't run.

00:01:05.760 Well, the U.S. Supreme Court, in an extremely rare move, has ruled unanimously against that nonsense

00:01:12.580 and in favor of former President Donald Trump.

00:01:15.100 Some on the left, of course, are now accusing Justices Kagan Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson

00:01:32.140 of betraying democracy.

00:01:33.980 We expected more from you.

00:01:35.720 We knew the lunatics on the right were going to do this to us, but you, the betrayal.

00:01:41.020 Maybe they just exercised normal jurisprudence.

00:01:45.740 Maybe they actually just saw the issue very clearly, as most normal lawyers did, right from the start.

00:01:53.500 We've got the best of the hysterical reaction for you.

00:01:57.380 Plus, I cannot wait to get to this story.

00:01:59.540 I have so much I want to talk to you about.

00:02:01.820 60 Minutes calls parents not wanting their elementary and middle school-aged children

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00:02:09.740 Conspiracy theorists full of fear and ignorance.

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00:02:51.860 Joining me now to discuss it all, Stu Bergeer.

00:02:54.860 He's host of Stu Does America and Dave Marcus,

00:02:57.880 Daily Mail and Fox News columnist, among other things.

00:03:01.180 Guys, welcome back to the show.

00:03:02.640 There's a lot to go over, and the meltdown in the wake of this 9-0 Supreme Court ruling

00:03:09.960 in Donald Trump's favor is where we have to begin.

00:03:12.920 So, Stu, already we're getting reaction from those on the left about the betrayal they perceive from the liberal jurists

00:03:21.020 and how, to them, it was just so clear.

00:03:23.720 I mean, I don't understand.

00:03:24.660 Donald Trump is a clear insurrectionist.

00:03:26.720 And how could the Supreme Court, which Keith Olbermann says we just need to move on from,

00:03:31.300 betray us and be so confused in this way?

00:03:35.540 What do you make of it?

00:03:36.120 It's a fascinating day, and it's amazing to watch all this happen.

00:03:40.060 You know, I'm, for one, shocked that Sotomayor was on board for this.

00:03:44.440 I could have believed Kagan.

00:03:45.840 I could have even believed Ketanji Brown-Jackson would be on the right side of this.

00:03:49.380 Sotomayor, who I don't have much respect for, you know, I'm surprised.

00:03:54.520 But a 9-0 ruling is good.

00:03:56.220 It's the thing that the country needs.

00:03:58.360 They need clarity on something like this, which is insane.

00:04:01.160 And the Biden administration does all of this and cheers this stuff on,

00:04:05.600 and the media cheers all this stuff on while arguing for democracy,

00:04:09.560 which is such a bizarre, bizarre, hypocritical thing.

00:04:13.720 It's like their favorite form of democracy is the one where you're the only name on the ballot.

00:04:18.360 And, like, I don't remember that being really the way democracy works.

00:04:22.500 It's shocking to kind of see this portrayed by the media as something that was serious.

00:04:28.420 And that, I think, is, if you want to come off of all the really important things I think this means for the country

00:04:33.000 and all the legal ramifications, you can come off of that and just look at the way the society handled this,

00:04:38.420 which is half the country was convinced that this was correct and true and obvious.

00:04:43.040 And the only way this would be stopped is by the right-wing Supreme Court,

00:04:46.060 who is unfair and always just rooting on Donald Trump.

00:04:50.100 And then when you get a 9-0 ruling, real clarity here that this is insane and everyone knew it was insane,

00:04:57.300 and then to see the way the media had just led people down this road over and over and over again

00:05:03.280 gets their hopes up, right?

00:05:04.880 I guess if you're a left-wing person and you want no competition in the presidential election,

00:05:09.100 you thought this was going to be a good thing.

00:05:11.180 Instead, they embarrass themselves.

00:05:13.180 And there will be no retribution.

00:05:14.660 We will not see some retrospective from these media organizations.

00:05:17.480 Why did we give this credibility?

00:05:19.140 Why did we run articles?

00:05:20.740 Why did we take Lawrence Tribe seriously when he was making these arguments?

00:05:24.840 Once again, the media just falls down flat on its face with no ideas of where it's going from here.

00:05:32.380 Here's a sampling, Dave, of some of the reaction.

00:05:36.060 Olbermann's always the best.

00:05:38.460 The court has betrayed democracy.

00:05:40.480 Its members, including Jackson Kagan and Sotomayor,

00:05:43.120 have proved themselves inept at reading comprehension.

00:05:46.700 And collectively, the court, that's in quotes,

00:05:49.120 has shown itself to be corrupt and illegitimate.

00:05:51.480 It must be dissolved, for good measure, adding,

00:05:55.160 the Supreme Court is full of shit.

00:05:57.620 Okay.

00:05:59.280 We could keep going.

00:06:01.020 As you might imagine, there's equally,

00:06:03.380 well, maybe not equally,

00:06:04.660 but similar hysterical reaction from people feeling,

00:06:08.820 that's the word,

00:06:09.760 betrayed by them,

00:06:11.340 that they didn't get their way.

00:06:12.720 They are really looking at the Supreme Court,

00:06:15.420 whether it is in the January 6th appeal

00:06:19.940 that just went up

00:06:20.900 and that they took on whether he's got immunity

00:06:22.780 for these criminal acts,

00:06:24.320 alleged criminal acts taken while president,

00:06:26.160 or it's this case in which they said,

00:06:28.020 no,

00:06:28.880 individual states can't kick a presidential candidate

00:06:31.160 off the ballot.

00:06:32.100 They feel like the court owes them something.

00:06:34.680 It's up to them to stop him.

00:06:37.760 Yeah, I mean, listen,

00:06:38.680 unlike Stu,

00:06:39.600 I've always known that Sotomayor

00:06:41.000 is a secret ultra-maga-Trumper.

00:06:44.120 So I know a lot of people weren't aware of that.

00:06:46.480 Now that Kat's finally out of the bag,

00:06:49.360 and we all know-

00:06:50.180 You know, he is doing better with a Hispanic vote.

00:06:52.440 There you go.

00:06:53.320 Now, but listen,

00:06:54.640 I mean, this case in particular

00:06:56.020 was the Mona Lisa of hypocrisy and projection.

00:06:59.620 Yeah.

00:06:59.960 Donald Trump's a threat to democracy,

00:07:01.580 so we're not going to let you vote for him.

00:07:03.080 I mean, come on.

00:07:04.240 It was always completely absurd,

00:07:07.440 but I think the good takeaway from this

00:07:09.800 and why it's so important that it was 9-0

00:07:12.320 is that, yet again,

00:07:14.140 the guardrails of American democracy

00:07:16.040 have held firm.

00:07:18.260 You know, both sides,

00:07:19.680 you know, the left looks to January 6th

00:07:21.840 and they say,

00:07:22.460 we were five minutes from losing our republic.

00:07:24.440 No, we weren't.

00:07:25.600 What was going to happen?

00:07:26.300 The Joint Chiefs of Staff

00:07:27.320 were going to walk in

00:07:28.180 and make QAnon shaman the president.

00:07:30.100 I mean, it's absurd.

00:07:31.440 And, you know, on the other side,

00:07:34.580 it's like, you know,

00:07:35.360 these prosecutions of Trump

00:07:36.860 and everything they're doing,

00:07:37.760 it's the same as Russia, blah, blah, blah.

00:07:39.220 No, it's not,

00:07:40.560 because we do have these guardrails.

00:07:43.180 They do work.

00:07:44.280 The founders created amazing checks and balances.

00:07:47.400 Americans throughout the century

00:07:48.540 have sort of cherished and protected that.

00:07:50.760 It's our job to keep doing that.

00:07:52.220 And so really good to see

00:07:53.800 a 9-0 Supreme Court decision

00:07:55.700 on this case today,

00:07:57.000 which really was, I think,

00:07:58.460 a pretty obvious call.

00:08:00.400 Totally agree with all that.

00:08:01.380 I want to run this soundbite for you.

00:08:02.840 I played it for the guys

00:08:03.520 in the fifth column last week.

00:08:04.540 It's absolutely nuts.

00:08:05.720 But it bears another play, okay,

00:08:07.840 because this was Chris Hayes reacting

00:08:09.480 to the decision to take up

00:08:11.560 whether Trump has immunity

00:08:13.020 for alleged criminal acts.

00:08:15.140 The left did not want the high court

00:08:16.680 to take that case either.

00:08:18.120 They wanted them to just let

00:08:19.860 the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals

00:08:21.220 saying he does not have immunity

00:08:23.340 to stand,

00:08:24.460 but they took it up,

00:08:25.580 thus delaying the trial

00:08:26.800 in federal court in D.C.

00:08:28.240 on those January 6th charges

00:08:30.240 until at the earliest,

00:08:32.800 early July.

00:08:33.560 But it's going to be later than that.

00:08:35.100 But this is, here's it,

00:08:36.500 this is what you're going to hear

00:08:37.260 from him tonight

00:08:37.920 and from the left tonight

00:08:39.120 because they clearly look at SCOTUS

00:08:41.460 as their last best chance

00:08:43.120 to stop him

00:08:43.780 and are starting to realize,

00:08:45.520 actually, no.

00:08:46.720 Actually, they're not an ally.

00:08:48.320 Watch.

00:08:49.560 That they would rob

00:08:50.680 the People's Department of Justice

00:08:52.240 the opportunity,

00:08:53.320 present all the evidence

00:08:54.360 of his guilt.

00:08:54.960 That the voters of this country,

00:08:57.540 you and I,

00:08:58.820 the hundreds of millions of us,

00:09:00.580 might be robbed

00:09:01.560 of the information

00:09:02.380 we need to determine

00:09:03.660 whether the man is guilty

00:09:05.200 of the gravest crime

00:09:06.140 any politician

00:09:06.780 has been accused of

00:09:07.620 since the Civil War.

00:09:09.880 If you were hoping

00:09:10.880 that Donald Trump's

00:09:12.300 authoritarian disregard

00:09:13.240 for the rule of law

00:09:14.000 was going to be stopped

00:09:14.860 by Americans' institutions

00:09:16.360 and the court

00:09:17.100 at the highest level,

00:09:18.800 that hope

00:09:20.880 is severely diminished today.

00:09:25.820 The Mueller investigation

00:09:26.900 didn't stop him.

00:09:27.840 Two congressional impeachments

00:09:28.800 did not stop him.

00:09:29.620 Today is the starkest proof yet

00:09:31.220 that in the zero-sum battle

00:09:32.640 between MAGA and democracy,

00:09:34.020 there was and is

00:09:35.200 only one thing

00:09:36.640 that could ever truly

00:09:37.880 stop Donald Trump,

00:09:39.240 and that is we the people.

00:09:43.640 Americans

00:09:44.120 voting against him,

00:09:46.460 a majority.

00:09:48.860 You can see the little

00:09:49.960 light bulbs, Stu.

00:09:51.540 Hey, like...

00:09:52.080 Yeah.

00:09:52.580 Yeah.

00:09:52.960 That's how this is

00:09:54.220 supposed to work.

00:09:55.180 If you don't want a guy

00:09:56.560 to be president

00:09:57.200 of the United States,

00:09:57.900 you should vote

00:09:58.500 for the other guy

00:09:59.380 and go out

00:10:00.600 and actually win.

00:10:02.380 That's how this is

00:10:03.600 supposed to operate.

00:10:04.960 Newsflash.

00:10:05.420 This is how our system

00:10:06.160 works.

00:10:07.680 Right?

00:10:08.240 I mean, I thought

00:10:09.140 this was obvious

00:10:09.820 to everyone.

00:10:10.700 You know,

00:10:10.920 if this guy

00:10:11.880 is the Hitlerian figure

00:10:14.500 you keep making him out to be,

00:10:16.480 go out and beat him.

00:10:18.560 Like,

00:10:19.120 just win.

00:10:21.400 That should be

00:10:22.360 the easiest thing

00:10:23.220 in the world.

00:10:23.980 It's not like Donald Trump

00:10:24.880 doesn't give you

00:10:25.720 real opportunities

00:10:26.840 to criticize him.

00:10:28.060 It's not like Donald Trump

00:10:28.960 is the perfect candidate

00:10:30.020 and everyone,

00:10:30.860 I just can't find

00:10:31.780 anything to say

00:10:32.540 that's negative about him.

00:10:33.400 They seem to find

00:10:33.920 tons of things

00:10:34.540 that are negative

00:10:35.080 to say about him.

00:10:36.260 It's just that

00:10:36.540 the American people

00:10:37.260 increasingly don't buy it.

00:10:39.700 And this idea

00:10:40.880 that the delay

00:10:41.780 of the Supreme Court

00:10:42.720 is some terrible,

00:10:44.520 terrible thing,

00:10:45.520 it took them two years

00:10:47.540 to move on this case.

00:10:49.160 Like,

00:10:49.800 they had thrown

00:10:51.060 tons of other people

00:10:52.500 in prison

00:10:53.140 for January 6th.

00:10:53.820 And by the way,

00:10:54.680 let's not forget,

00:10:55.220 he was never charged

00:10:56.180 with insurrection.

00:10:57.340 He was not charged

00:10:58.120 with insurrection.

00:10:59.340 They didn't even put

00:10:59.800 in the impeachment.

00:11:01.120 They could have put

00:11:01.760 anything in there.

00:11:02.580 They didn't even put it

00:11:03.280 in the impeachment.

00:11:04.120 They had all of this time.

00:11:06.180 They waited until he actually

00:11:07.440 ran for president

00:11:08.440 to do anything on this

00:11:09.640 because they,

00:11:10.620 you know,

00:11:11.100 they did,

00:11:11.860 they probably,

00:11:12.460 honestly,

00:11:12.720 if he had not run

00:11:13.400 for president,

00:11:14.060 probably they never

00:11:14.860 would have done

00:11:15.240 any of this.

00:11:15.960 But they wanted

00:11:16.760 to stop him.

00:11:17.520 They wanted to make sure

00:11:18.460 that he could not

00:11:19.100 be president again.

00:11:20.000 So they're throwing

00:11:20.560 every piece of spaghetti

00:11:21.880 they can find

00:11:22.600 against the wall

00:11:23.180 to see if anything

00:11:23.700 will stick.

00:11:24.220 And it's just

00:11:24.980 an embarrassing failure.

00:11:26.820 We are up to our knees

00:11:28.180 at this point

00:11:28.740 in spaghetti

00:11:29.340 and more of it will come.

00:11:30.720 We'll eventually

00:11:31.520 be up to our next.

00:11:32.840 It's just,

00:11:33.400 they will try

00:11:34.620 literally anything

00:11:35.780 except just winning.

00:11:37.300 Go out there

00:11:37.720 and beat the guy.

00:11:38.240 in the famous words

00:11:41.000 of Adrian

00:11:42.140 to Rocky

00:11:43.200 before the last

00:11:44.940 big battle

00:11:45.440 and Rocky won.

00:11:47.040 Win.

00:11:48.220 That's the best advice.

00:11:49.300 Just win.

00:11:51.160 I mean,

00:11:51.520 he didn't,

00:11:52.360 but it's good advice.

00:11:53.520 Right.

00:11:53.820 Yeah,

00:11:54.000 but he made it 15 rounds.

00:11:55.240 That was a win moment.

00:11:56.900 All right.

00:11:57.280 So it's like,

00:11:57.960 the point is

00:11:58.860 they control the media.

00:12:01.040 They have the best

00:12:01.880 get out the vote

00:12:02.600 operation in America

00:12:03.940 and had for a long time now.

00:12:05.440 They have the least

00:12:07.920 popular candidate

00:12:09.060 running as a Republican

00:12:10.080 that we've had

00:12:10.820 in decades.

00:12:12.060 So just win.

00:12:13.420 What are you in such

00:12:14.020 a panic about?

00:12:15.060 Oh, wait,

00:12:15.740 your candidate is horrible.

00:12:17.800 Well,

00:12:18.080 then do something about it.

00:12:19.620 Don't be such P words.

00:12:21.100 That's the one swear

00:12:21.760 I don't like.

00:12:22.820 Don't be such a P word.

00:12:24.180 Go out and find another

00:12:25.020 candidate who can win.

00:12:25.780 I don't care.

00:12:26.500 I don't want to hear

00:12:27.020 your whining

00:12:27.820 when you won't

00:12:29.420 find another candidate

00:12:30.440 because you know

00:12:30.960 your guy is struggling.

00:12:32.220 You just want to

00:12:33.020 bash our democracy,

00:12:34.540 get rid of the

00:12:35.160 Supreme Court,

00:12:36.400 mess with our

00:12:37.200 balloting system.

00:12:38.400 No,

00:12:39.160 it's a no.

00:12:40.120 You were stopped

00:12:40.800 by the U.S.

00:12:41.360 Supreme Court.

00:12:42.240 I want to play this

00:12:43.060 for you, Dave.

00:12:43.860 CNN in the middle

00:12:44.540 of its reaction.

00:12:45.820 Take a listen.

00:12:48.180 You know,

00:12:48.860 look,

00:12:49.660 unfortunately for

00:12:51.180 America,

00:12:53.040 the court

00:12:53.920 isn't necessarily wrong

00:12:55.720 that this is the way

00:12:56.720 the framers wanted it to be.

00:12:58.200 They wanted Congress,

00:12:59.340 the people who are

00:13:00.440 closest to

00:13:01.860 their constituents

00:13:03.040 to be able to make

00:13:04.700 the rules of the laws.

00:13:06.440 That doesn't change

00:13:07.480 the fact that

00:13:08.200 because of gerrymandering

00:13:09.580 in the House

00:13:10.220 and all kinds

00:13:11.300 of other issues,

00:13:12.300 they're not doing

00:13:13.580 their job on a lot

00:13:14.640 of these big issues.

00:13:15.700 I agree.

00:13:16.260 It's very unlikely,

00:13:17.440 close to impossible,

00:13:19.100 that Congress

00:13:19.500 will take action.

00:13:20.540 But this is now

00:13:21.060 a fair question

00:13:21.740 that Manu Raju,

00:13:23.100 Melanie Zanona

00:13:24.100 should be asking

00:13:24.740 members of Congress.

00:13:25.580 Are you willing

00:13:26.800 to pass legislation

00:13:28.100 that would give us

00:13:29.400 rules for how this works?

00:13:30.160 It could only be

00:13:30.940 in the future,

00:13:31.380 by the way.

00:13:33.100 Okay,

00:13:33.560 so you see

00:13:34.120 the people

00:13:34.820 and their representatives,

00:13:36.160 Congress,

00:13:36.500 they're not doing

00:13:36.980 their jobs

00:13:37.540 because of gerrymandering,

00:13:39.800 meaning holding

00:13:40.960 this insurrectionist

00:13:41.840 to account.

00:13:42.980 And that's really

00:13:43.620 the lamentable thing here

00:13:44.720 that really Congress

00:13:45.500 should pass the law

00:13:46.580 saying that

00:13:47.680 he's an insurrectionist

00:13:49.420 and he'd have to be

00:13:50.600 bounced off.

00:13:51.340 And that's really

00:13:52.280 the solution here.

00:13:55.020 I mean,

00:13:55.540 that's just foolishness.

00:13:57.000 I used to live

00:13:57.600 in Jerry Nadler's district.

00:13:58.720 He's like one

00:13:59.720 of the most important

00:14:00.540 Democrats in the

00:14:01.440 House of Representatives.

00:14:02.820 Anyone who's familiar

00:14:03.800 with the geography

00:14:04.560 of New York City,

00:14:05.880 it begins in Bensonhurst,

00:14:07.440 Brooklyn,

00:14:08.140 goes through Bay Ridge,

00:14:09.460 jumps over the East River,

00:14:10.840 skips Chinatown,

00:14:12.200 hits Tribeca,

00:14:12.980 and then goes all the way

00:14:13.980 up the Upper West Side.

00:14:15.120 You want to know why?

00:14:16.180 To capture white Democrats,

00:14:17.660 everybody's always known it.

00:14:19.140 This is nonsense talk.

00:14:21.980 Look,

00:14:22.960 yeah,

00:14:23.700 CNN is begrudgingly

00:14:25.640 right here.

00:14:26.260 It is up to the people's

00:14:27.220 representatives to do this.

00:14:28.600 It is not the job

00:14:29.440 of the Supreme Court

00:14:30.380 to walk in and say,

00:14:32.760 we're going to do it instead.

00:14:34.300 This is why Roe v. Wade

00:14:35.440 was eventually overturned,

00:14:37.120 right?

00:14:37.560 That's not the role

00:14:38.900 of the Supreme Court.

00:14:40.440 CNN admits it's not the role

00:14:42.260 of the Supreme Court.

00:14:43.540 Unfortunately,

00:14:44.240 it still can't kick

00:14:45.540 this habit

00:14:46.660 of having to mention

00:14:48.780 how supposedly awful

00:14:50.160 Donald Trump is for America

00:14:51.540 in the context

00:14:52.800 of literally anything.

00:14:54.860 I mean,

00:14:55.580 you can watch a sports report

00:14:57.520 and they're going

00:14:57.840 to throw it in there.

00:14:58.620 So,

00:14:59.180 you know,

00:14:59.600 that's the sad part

00:15:00.920 that doesn't seem

00:15:01.540 to be changing.

00:15:02.300 But,

00:15:02.500 you know,

00:15:02.840 I don't know.

00:15:03.600 At least they acknowledged

00:15:04.780 that this was the right decision.

00:15:06.780 But it's absurd

00:15:07.780 to now say,

00:15:08.960 okay,

00:15:09.240 so Congress is going

00:15:09.960 to pass a law now?

00:15:10.820 Is that what we're going

00:15:11.240 to do?

00:15:11.640 I mean,

00:15:11.860 that doesn't work

00:15:13.140 on a look-back basis.

00:15:15.640 Congress can't pass

00:15:16.380 a law now

00:15:16.900 that's going to affect,

00:15:18.040 that's going to take action,

00:15:20.920 have effect retroactively.

00:15:22.380 Here's a little bit

00:15:24.520 from the decision.

00:15:25.940 The court says,

00:15:27.100 because the Constitution

00:15:27.840 makes Congress

00:15:28.780 rather than the states

00:15:29.660 responsible for enforcing

00:15:30.800 Section 3,

00:15:31.520 that's the one saying

00:15:32.160 if you've engaged

00:15:33.000 in insurrection,

00:15:33.760 you can't hold office

00:15:34.600 against federal office

00:15:36.200 holders and candidates,

00:15:37.620 we reverse.

00:15:38.920 The relevant provision

00:15:39.980 is Section 5,

00:15:40.800 which enables Congress,

00:15:41.920 subject,

00:15:42.480 of course,

00:15:42.820 to judicial review,

00:15:44.940 to pass appropriate legislation

00:15:46.640 to enforce the 14th Amendment.

00:15:49.860 Section 5

00:15:50.840 casts upon Congress

00:15:51.880 the responsibility

00:15:52.560 of seeing to it

00:15:53.360 for the future

00:15:53.840 that all the sections

00:15:55.260 of the amendment

00:15:55.820 are carried out

00:15:56.740 in good faith.

00:15:58.240 They say,

00:15:58.620 we conclude that states

00:15:59.460 may disqualify

00:16:00.400 persons holding

00:16:01.080 or attempting

00:16:01.600 to hold state office,

00:16:04.340 but states have no power

00:16:05.400 under the Constitution

00:16:06.200 to enforce Section 3

00:16:07.400 with respect to federal offices,

00:16:10.620 especially the presidency.

00:16:13.180 All members of the court

00:16:14.620 agree with this result.

00:16:16.840 And then you've got

00:16:18.200 Sotomayor Kagan and Jackson

00:16:19.920 writing in a concurring

00:16:21.840 opinion.

00:16:23.340 They say,

00:16:24.440 allowing Colorado

00:16:25.120 to do this

00:16:25.820 would create

00:16:26.680 a chaotic

00:16:27.360 state-by-state patchwork

00:16:28.960 at odds

00:16:29.760 with our nation's

00:16:30.500 federalism principles.

00:16:31.860 That is enough

00:16:32.620 to resolve this case.

00:16:34.140 Then they attack

00:16:35.280 the majority

00:16:35.720 for going on

00:16:36.360 to talk about

00:16:37.140 exactly how

00:16:38.760 Congress would have

00:16:40.100 to enact

00:16:40.640 a particular kind

00:16:41.920 of legislation

00:16:42.580 in order to make

00:16:43.400 this thing workable.

00:16:45.180 And they think

00:16:45.560 the court went too far

00:16:46.560 on that,

00:16:46.980 but they totally

00:16:47.580 agree that

00:16:48.880 under federalism

00:16:49.760 principles,

00:16:50.260 you can't have

00:16:51.660 one state

00:16:52.460 deciding he engaged

00:16:54.700 in an insurrection

00:16:55.540 and another state

00:16:56.600 saying he didn't

00:16:57.680 and on the ballot

00:16:58.900 in one state

00:16:59.600 and off the ballot

00:17:00.440 in another state

00:17:01.120 when you're talking

00:17:01.720 about electing

00:17:02.560 a federal officer,

00:17:04.760 a federal candidate

00:17:05.640 like president.

00:17:07.640 Nonetheless,

00:17:08.620 here's how

00:17:08.980 the Associated Press

00:17:10.140 describes what

00:17:11.280 happened today.

00:17:13.980 It's Sun Min Kim.

00:17:16.340 That's the name

00:17:16.840 of the reporter.

00:17:18.140 She writes,

00:17:19.040 Supreme Court

00:17:19.820 restores Trump

00:17:20.840 to ballot,

00:17:21.980 rejecting state

00:17:23.000 attempts to hold

00:17:23.840 him accountable

00:17:24.500 for attack

00:17:25.500 on Capitol

00:17:26.300 in 2021.

00:17:29.760 That's what

00:17:31.040 they were trying

00:17:31.560 to do in Colorado.

00:17:33.580 Again,

00:17:34.220 the courts

00:17:34.620 could just,

00:17:35.380 they could maybe

00:17:36.240 charge him

00:17:36.840 with insurrection

00:17:37.760 and being responsible

00:17:38.740 for this

00:17:39.340 if they actually

00:17:40.220 believe that.

00:17:40.880 They never go

00:17:41.480 down that road

00:17:41.980 because they know

00:17:42.640 they would have

00:17:43.040 no chance

00:17:44.340 of winning.

00:17:45.300 And what the media

00:17:45.860 keeps relying on

00:17:46.880 is a little-known

00:17:48.320 part of the Constitution

00:17:49.520 called the

00:17:50.280 but-we-really-want-it

00:17:51.880 clause.

00:17:52.980 And it's like,

00:17:53.920 well, look at the

00:17:54.800 Constitution.

00:17:55.500 Where is it in there?

00:17:56.620 Oh, it's not,

00:17:58.040 but we really want it.

00:17:59.620 So we really want

00:18:00.400 this to happen.

00:18:02.120 Yeah, so just do it.

00:18:03.080 Right?

00:18:03.240 Like, I mean,

00:18:03.720 this is the same

00:18:05.360 situation that happened

00:18:06.080 with, like,

00:18:06.440 the student loan situation

00:18:07.520 with Biden.

00:18:08.100 Like, well,

00:18:08.780 we really want

00:18:09.380 to give a bunch

00:18:10.300 of people

00:18:10.680 who are, you know,

00:18:11.660 among the wealthiest

00:18:12.360 in our society,

00:18:13.360 you know,

00:18:14.540 student loan refunds.

00:18:16.400 We want to spend

00:18:17.400 an extra $500,

00:18:18.300 $700 billion

00:18:19.020 on this.

00:18:20.260 Congress won't do it.

00:18:21.180 But we really want it,

00:18:22.380 so we're just going

00:18:22.840 to do it.

00:18:23.460 And the Constitution

00:18:24.820 should allow us

00:18:25.660 to do this

00:18:26.180 because of our desire

00:18:27.160 to have the result.

00:18:28.340 Well, that's not how

00:18:29.040 our system of government

00:18:30.060 works.

00:18:31.380 And I will say this,

00:18:32.560 you know,

00:18:33.060 Megan,

00:18:33.560 I don't know if you feel

00:18:34.920 the same way,

00:18:35.360 but increasingly,

00:18:36.660 I'm concerned

00:18:38.020 about the state

00:18:38.940 of the country

00:18:39.500 where often,

00:18:40.860 over and over again,

00:18:41.700 it seems like

00:18:42.520 the Supreme Court

00:18:43.280 is the only line

00:18:44.480 of defense we have

00:18:45.660 against a completely

00:18:46.700 different system

00:18:47.860 of government.

00:18:48.960 I mean,

00:18:49.120 you can't just spend...

00:18:50.080 I've been saying all along,

00:18:51.440 I personally have faith

00:18:52.900 in the rule of law.

00:18:53.740 I do.

00:18:54.740 I thank God

00:18:55.860 for Article 3

00:18:56.680 and the courts.

00:18:57.720 It's not that they

00:18:58.160 all get it right.

00:18:58.840 You've definitely got

00:18:59.440 activist judges,

00:19:00.420 especially at the lower level.

00:19:01.760 But I do believe

00:19:03.080 still in the rule of law.

00:19:04.440 Maybe I'm crazy,

00:19:05.480 but I'm really excited

00:19:06.700 about this court.

00:19:07.460 It's the first time

00:19:08.120 in my lifetime

00:19:09.120 we've had an originalist court

00:19:10.840 up there

00:19:11.820 issuing rulings

00:19:12.820 that you can count on

00:19:14.620 that do kick it back

00:19:15.580 to the people

00:19:16.660 time and time again.

00:19:18.320 And it may cause chaos

00:19:19.360 and it actually may inure

00:19:20.280 to the Democrats' benefit

00:19:21.340 the way the overruling

00:19:22.420 of Roe did.

00:19:23.340 That hasn't been a good thing

00:19:24.500 electorally for Republicans.

00:19:26.540 I don't care.

00:19:27.400 I like the rule of law.

00:19:28.480 Over time,

00:19:29.020 it'll balance out.

00:19:29.820 Keep going, Stu.

00:19:30.860 Yeah, no,

00:19:31.500 I totally agree with you.

00:19:33.020 I'm just, you know,

00:19:33.900 I guess I'm concerned

00:19:34.780 that this seems to be

00:19:35.520 the only guardrail left.

00:19:36.880 You know,

00:19:37.100 our system is holding up.

00:19:39.020 I believe in the system.

00:19:40.040 It's by far the best system

00:19:41.040 on Earth.

00:19:42.040 And, you know,

00:19:43.020 it is held up

00:19:43.880 under incredible stress.

00:19:45.460 I mean, you know,

00:19:45.760 people talk about

00:19:46.420 the 2020 election.

00:19:47.840 You know, here you have

00:19:48.260 the President of the United States

00:19:49.040 saying,

00:19:49.360 that the results

00:19:49.860 should be different.

00:19:50.860 He's obviously calling people

00:19:52.020 around the country

00:19:52.640 to try to, you know,

00:19:54.320 change the results

00:19:55.860 in a way that he thinks

00:19:56.780 were accurate.

00:19:58.100 But still, like,

00:19:59.720 in that context,

00:20:01.140 the system holds up.

00:20:02.720 And if you are opposition

00:20:04.340 to that argument,

00:20:05.600 this situation is the same thing

00:20:07.020 where, like,

00:20:07.740 this is obviously lawless,

00:20:09.500 but this is not just

00:20:10.340 some crazy, you know,

00:20:11.900 AOC-type representative

00:20:13.320 bringing this up.

00:20:14.520 This is the Supreme Court

00:20:15.680 of a state

00:20:16.420 that wanted this to happen.

00:20:18.100 What is the chaotic

00:20:19.020 result if today

00:20:20.340 this came down

00:20:20.940 another way?

00:20:21.720 If this was a five-four

00:20:22.600 decision against Donald Trump

00:20:24.480 where basically

00:20:25.160 we found out today

00:20:26.900 that 50%

00:20:28.280 of the American voters

00:20:29.620 in this country

00:20:30.220 could not vote

00:20:31.040 for their candidate.

00:20:32.260 I mean,

00:20:32.700 and I say that

00:20:33.640 not every state

00:20:34.380 would throw him

00:20:34.820 off the ballot,

00:20:35.260 but of course

00:20:35.640 it would be almost impossible

00:20:36.600 for him to win

00:20:37.680 because of all the states

00:20:38.900 with Democratic control

00:20:39.820 that would take him

00:20:40.480 off the ballot.

00:20:41.400 So you'd have a situation

00:20:42.340 where, I mean,

00:20:43.120 Donald Trump might have

00:20:43.660 just been disqualified today.

00:20:44.860 And we were,

00:20:45.920 I was sitting there

00:20:46.580 an hour beforehand

00:20:47.200 thinking I'm certain

00:20:48.660 the Supreme Court

00:20:49.580 is going to come down

00:20:50.260 on the right side of this.

00:20:51.280 But what if they don't?

00:20:53.040 What happens here

00:20:54.140 to our country

00:20:54.840 and our system of government?

00:20:56.260 We are so close

00:20:57.400 and we're depending

00:20:57.980 on basically six people

00:21:00.100 to continually

00:21:01.420 hold this together

00:21:02.520 and that is not

00:21:04.240 a good situation

00:21:05.020 for the Earth's

00:21:06.920 greatest country

00:21:07.660 to be in.

00:21:08.500 You're right.

00:21:09.260 I mean,

00:21:09.400 you're right.

00:21:09.900 I mean,

00:21:10.080 the thing,

00:21:10.460 we've talked about it,

00:21:11.000 but the woman in Maine

00:21:11.860 who kicked him

00:21:12.660 off the ballot there

00:21:13.380 wasn't even elected.

00:21:14.420 She wasn't even,

00:21:14.980 or she was an elected person.

00:21:15.860 She wasn't even a lawyer.

00:21:17.000 Not one woman,

00:21:18.100 not even a lawyer.

00:21:19.000 I declare him

00:21:20.040 an insurrectionist

00:21:20.900 and I kick him

00:21:21.880 off the ballot.

00:21:22.600 This is absolutely

00:21:23.500 no way to run a country,

00:21:24.700 nevermind elected president.

00:21:26.440 Here's old faithful

00:21:27.680 Ellie Mistal on X.

00:21:29.500 You know him.

00:21:30.100 He's the correspondent

00:21:30.620 for The Nation

00:21:31.240 and really the most racist person

00:21:33.060 to appear on MSNBC,

00:21:34.660 which is saying something.

00:21:35.640 I mean,

00:21:35.800 that's saying something.

00:21:36.560 If you go on

00:21:37.380 with Joy Reid,

00:21:38.780 I almost call her Joy Racist,

00:21:40.360 and you're

00:21:41.200 the most racist one,

00:21:42.480 you know,

00:21:42.800 that's a special slot to hold.

00:21:45.040 He writes,

00:21:46.440 as I said last week,

00:21:47.880 the Supreme Court

00:21:48.580 must be stopped.

00:21:50.560 And then here's a quote from it.

00:21:52.660 The Supreme Court

00:21:53.420 must be made

00:21:54.160 to pay a price,

00:21:55.840 a political,

00:21:56.600 institutional,

00:21:57.360 professional price

00:21:58.380 for its ongoing

00:21:59.520 political thuggery,

00:22:01.240 lightly disguised

00:22:02.280 as jurisprudence.

00:22:03.820 Its members

00:22:04.340 will never stop acting

00:22:05.680 like the only nine Americans

00:22:07.080 who matter

00:22:07.680 until we stop them

00:22:09.100 from doing that.

00:22:10.160 And the only way

00:22:10.840 to stop them

00:22:11.480 is to limit

00:22:12.400 their power,

00:22:13.540 their budgets,

00:22:14.460 and their unearned belief

00:22:15.720 in their own supremacy.

00:22:17.380 Ellie,

00:22:17.700 you're an idiot.

00:22:18.800 If you'd like to know

00:22:19.480 where they get

00:22:19.940 their supremacy,

00:22:20.860 you should check

00:22:21.280 the Constitution

00:22:21.760 and then read

00:22:22.680 a little case

00:22:23.140 called Marbury

00:22:23.760 versus Madison

00:22:24.420 because this has been

00:22:25.580 along around

00:22:26.660 for hundreds of years,

00:22:27.680 my friend.

00:22:28.480 They do have supremacy

00:22:29.440 in determining

00:22:30.160 what the law is

00:22:31.520 and what the Constitution

00:22:32.840 says.

00:22:33.920 Even over you,

00:22:35.520 my friend,

00:22:36.440 yeah,

00:22:37.100 take it up

00:22:38.060 with your favorite

00:22:38.980 justices

00:22:39.520 who see it

00:22:40.340 as I do.

00:22:41.740 This is insane.

00:22:42.900 I know I like to mock

00:22:44.080 the Olbermanns

00:22:44.800 and the Mistals

00:22:45.300 of the world,

00:22:46.020 but talking about

00:22:46.960 delegitimizing,

00:22:48.580 defunding

00:22:49.460 the U.S. Supreme Court

00:22:50.580 is true effing

00:22:52.200 lunacy, Dave.

00:22:53.960 It's very dangerous.

00:22:56.200 There's an oft

00:22:57.000 misunderstood quote

00:22:58.480 from Shakespeare

00:22:59.300 from Henry VI,

00:23:01.260 part two,

00:23:02.020 that goes,

00:23:02.920 first thing we do,

00:23:03.760 let's kill all the lawyers.

00:23:04.700 Right?

00:23:05.040 Sometimes you'll see

00:23:05.620 it on T-shirts

00:23:06.280 like,

00:23:06.660 ha-ha,

00:23:07.040 it's a joke

00:23:07.360 about lawyers.

00:23:08.620 The actual context

00:23:09.840 of that quote

00:23:10.940 is there are people

00:23:11.860 who are trying

00:23:12.200 to overthrow

00:23:12.680 the government,

00:23:13.900 right?

00:23:14.500 And Jack Cade,

00:23:16.020 who's the guy,

00:23:16.960 who's the pretender

00:23:17.540 to the throne,

00:23:18.060 he says,

00:23:18.620 when I'm king,

00:23:19.800 there'll be no money.

00:23:21.100 I'll feed everybody.

00:23:22.300 I'll clothe everybody.

00:23:23.280 They'll live as brothers

00:23:24.000 and they'll worship me

00:23:25.520 as their king.

00:23:26.680 And his henchman says,

00:23:27.860 first thing we do,

00:23:28.540 let's kill all the lawyers.

00:23:30.160 Right?

00:23:30.760 And Cade says,

00:23:31.680 yeah,

00:23:31.960 well,

00:23:32.200 we're going to do that.

00:23:32.940 And he says,

00:23:33.320 because it's not the bee

00:23:34.440 that stings,

00:23:35.020 it's the beeswax

00:23:35.920 because the beeswax

00:23:36.860 is how legal documents

00:23:38.380 were sealed,

00:23:39.860 right?

00:23:40.300 What Shakespeare's really

00:23:41.360 telling us in that moment

00:23:42.540 is if you want

00:23:43.600 to overthrow a government,

00:23:44.940 if you want

00:23:45.400 to become a dictator,

00:23:46.700 what you've got to do

00:23:47.500 is you've got to kill

00:23:48.380 the lawyers.

00:23:49.080 You've got to kill

00:23:49.740 the judges.

00:23:50.680 You've got to kill

00:23:51.560 the people who,

00:23:52.920 when Megan says to Stu,

00:23:54.160 I'm the dictator now,

00:23:55.180 Stu,

00:23:55.360 I got to feed these people,

00:23:56.360 give me half your cattle,

00:23:58.060 come in and say,

00:23:58.860 well,

00:23:59.080 wait a minute,

00:23:59.660 Stu has a contract.

00:24:00.880 This has to be,

00:24:01.640 no,

00:24:01.900 those people have to go.

00:24:03.020 That's what Ellie Mistel

00:24:04.580 is calling for.

00:24:05.660 That's what all of these people

00:24:06.660 are calling for.

00:24:08.300 And not only is it dangerous now,

00:24:10.740 Shakespeare knew exactly

00:24:11.640 how dangerous it was

00:24:12.560 500 years ago.

00:24:14.680 Well done with the Shakespeare reference.

00:24:16.620 I am impressed.

00:24:17.440 I spent the weekend

00:24:19.440 watching Pippin

00:24:21.100 at the high school production.

00:24:23.580 My daughter was a middle schooler

00:24:24.920 in the chorus

00:24:25.380 and they rocked it

00:24:26.300 and I'm all for

00:24:27.780 the theater discussion,

00:24:28.960 Dave Marcus.

00:24:29.500 I know this is your background,

00:24:30.940 but I am here.

00:24:31.760 And let me tell you something else.

00:24:33.180 Thatcher Brunt,

00:24:33.920 fourth grader,

00:24:34.760 is going to be starring

00:24:35.820 as one of the players

00:24:37.300 in the American Revolution

00:24:39.380 at his school.

00:24:40.600 So I'm having

00:24:41.420 a cultural experience

00:24:43.140 here in Connecticut.

00:24:45.160 Thank you for

00:24:45.840 the theater references.

00:24:46.780 By the way,

00:24:47.540 great job, kids.

00:24:48.540 Okay, Stu,

00:24:49.020 what were you going to say?

00:24:50.200 I was going to say,

00:24:50.880 I am also learning

00:24:52.700 and having a cultural experience

00:24:54.600 as Dave brought up Shakespeare

00:24:55.940 and you brought up Rocky.

00:24:57.440 I think that is like the,

00:24:59.160 that is not the way

00:25:00.120 I thought this was going to go today.

00:25:02.300 Okay, wait,

00:25:03.000 I've got something for you.

00:25:04.240 Here's the best part

00:25:05.060 of all of this.

00:25:06.040 The best part.

00:25:06.580 I mean, it's a,

00:25:07.580 I expected the Supreme Court

00:25:08.740 to do what it did

00:25:09.520 and I'm glad it did it 9-0.

00:25:12.200 It's undeniable

00:25:13.160 and you can't argue

00:25:14.160 with them now.

00:25:15.100 But listen to this.

00:25:16.340 Here's the reason

00:25:17.080 why it matters.

00:25:18.620 It matters politically

00:25:19.680 because Trump's going

00:25:20.520 to be on the ballots now.

00:25:21.660 That's the number one way

00:25:22.660 in which it matters politically.

00:25:23.700 But it also matters

00:25:24.760 very much in terms of

00:25:25.940 the narrative

00:25:27.000 over the next nine months.

00:25:29.520 This is what

00:25:30.460 one of Biden's

00:25:31.320 top advisors

00:25:32.480 just told the New Yorker.

00:25:34.680 Okay, about how

00:25:35.600 we're going to get

00:25:36.100 to the terrible polling

00:25:37.080 that just came out

00:25:37.800 in New York Times

00:25:38.300 slash Siena

00:25:38.960 and CBS.

00:25:40.680 It's devastating.

00:25:41.780 That's the headline.

00:25:42.660 Devastating for Joe Biden.

00:25:43.600 As so many

00:25:44.600 of the polls have been,

00:25:45.320 it's all going

00:25:46.000 in the wrong direction

00:25:46.640 for him.

00:25:47.460 This is why

00:25:48.220 there's not a full-on

00:25:49.280 meltdown on the left yet

00:25:50.460 about Biden

00:25:51.180 or an even more robust push

00:25:53.800 to get him out

00:25:54.460 and get somebody else in.

00:25:55.960 So Mike Donilon,

00:25:57.060 top Biden advisor,

00:25:58.000 tells the New Yorker

00:25:58.900 this is their theory

00:26:00.480 of the case,

00:26:01.660 of the election

00:26:02.200 and how they're going

00:26:03.160 to win.

00:26:04.440 Quoting here,

00:26:05.140 by November,

00:26:07.420 he predicted,

00:26:08.720 the focus will become

00:26:09.960 overwhelming

00:26:10.920 on democracy.

00:26:13.620 I think the biggest images

00:26:14.980 in people's minds

00:26:16.000 are going to be

00:26:17.420 of January 6th.

00:26:19.980 So this is their,

00:26:21.520 this is what,

00:26:22.780 this is their plan.

00:26:24.380 Democracy,

00:26:25.620 democracy,

00:26:26.800 democracy.

00:26:27.380 And we saw

00:26:27.780 in the 2022 midterms

00:26:28.920 that that worked for them.

00:26:30.400 That actually did work

00:26:31.480 for them.

00:26:32.180 Saw it on the exit polls.

00:26:33.840 However,

00:26:34.900 this whole effort,

00:26:36.080 what Georgia did,

00:26:37.160 not Georgia,

00:26:37.980 what Colorado did,

00:26:39.500 what Maine did,

00:26:40.340 and what Illinois

00:26:40.800 just did the same thing,

00:26:42.160 kicking Trump off the ballot.

00:26:43.160 That's all reversed now.

00:26:45.500 Has completely

00:26:46.800 undermined their argument.

00:26:48.820 That's it.

00:26:49.560 And the American public

00:26:50.320 is aware of these cases.

00:26:51.580 It's not like they,

00:26:52.440 if you ask the average American,

00:26:53.640 did you know they're trying

00:26:54.180 to kick Trump off the ballot

00:26:55.520 in a few states?

00:26:56.580 I think the average American

00:26:57.500 knows the answer is,

00:26:58.300 yeah, it's crazy.

00:26:59.920 This is,

00:27:00.560 it completely neutralizes

00:27:02.520 they're saying Republicans

00:27:04.700 are the threat to democracy.

00:27:07.020 You're the threat to democracy.

00:27:09.040 Yes,

00:27:09.420 Trump behaved terribly

00:27:10.840 around January 6th.

00:27:12.840 And there aren't that many people

00:27:14.380 who are going to argue that.

00:27:15.580 But the Democrats

00:27:16.880 are the ones

00:27:17.480 trying to take the vote

00:27:19.240 away from voters

00:27:21.480 right now

00:27:22.480 for the 2024 election.

00:27:24.500 No matter how bad you feel

00:27:26.420 about the 2020 election, Dave,

00:27:27.900 it's in the past.

00:27:28.780 I think the active threat

00:27:30.360 right now

00:27:30.800 looks very much

00:27:31.560 like Team Blue.

00:27:33.740 Yeah, listen,

00:27:34.840 I've covered January 6th

00:27:37.060 and the implications of it

00:27:38.160 since January 6th.

00:27:40.100 And I can tell you this,

00:27:41.700 since the January 6th committee

00:27:44.420 did its primetime hearings

00:27:45.920 and hired an ABC News producer

00:27:47.860 to, you know,

00:27:48.680 come in and,

00:27:49.680 you know,

00:27:50.300 make Trump look

00:27:51.140 as bad as possible,

00:27:53.080 not only did the polls

00:27:54.580 move slightly against them,

00:27:56.220 not only did more people

00:27:57.560 come around to say,

00:27:58.360 well, maybe this isn't so bad.

00:28:00.060 Since then,

00:28:01.220 those polls have not moved at all.

00:28:03.960 It's not even that nobody cares.

00:28:06.020 It's that everybody's opinion

00:28:08.020 is locked in stone.

00:28:09.600 So, I mean,

00:28:10.060 this idea that suddenly

00:28:11.640 everyone's going to wake up

00:28:12.860 on November 1st

00:28:14.200 and be like,

00:28:15.160 hey,

00:28:16.240 remember January 6th,

00:28:17.500 three years ago?

00:28:18.100 That's what's really bad.

00:28:19.320 I know, like,

00:28:19.740 I can't afford any food

00:28:20.740 at the grocery store,

00:28:21.680 but I'm really worried about that.

00:28:23.140 It doesn't make any sense.

00:28:24.680 I don't think Donalyn believes it.

00:28:26.280 I think it's a placeholder argument.

00:28:27.840 I think he's got to say something.

00:28:30.220 But look,

00:28:30.840 it's failed.

00:28:31.440 Even Biden has backed off.

00:28:32.780 Remember,

00:28:33.040 like two months ago,

00:28:34.360 every day,

00:28:34.960 it was like,

00:28:35.360 MAGA extremist this

00:28:36.500 and MAGA extremist that.

00:28:37.920 I think even the campaign

00:28:39.040 has backed off

00:28:39.720 because his,

00:28:40.700 as you note,

00:28:41.480 his polling numbers

00:28:42.180 are only getting worse.

00:28:43.420 That message isn't working.

00:28:45.040 That dog isn't going to hunt.

00:28:46.420 So they're going to have to try

00:28:47.160 to find something else

00:28:48.120 or someone else.

00:28:49.660 All right.

00:28:50.220 So what is that?

00:28:51.080 Because let's discuss the polls.

00:28:52.780 So CBS News,

00:28:53.720 just out with this poll,

00:28:56.160 likely voters,

00:28:57.580 we always say that

00:28:58.320 that's what you want to look for.

00:28:59.260 Registered voters are interesting,

00:29:00.520 but mildly.

00:29:02.700 Likely voters,

00:29:03.360 that's what you look at.

00:29:04.360 Pay attention.

00:29:04.900 Those are the people

00:29:05.340 who have voted before

00:29:06.180 and are very likely to vote again.

00:29:08.660 Choice for president,

00:29:10.220 Biden 42,

00:29:11.180 Trump 52.

00:29:12.840 A 10 percentage point lead.

00:29:15.000 That's amazing.

00:29:16.140 I haven't seen that yet.

00:29:17.860 How would you rate

00:29:18.620 their presidencies?

00:29:20.040 Trump looking back,

00:29:21.240 46% say excellent or good.

00:29:23.820 How many say that about Biden?

00:29:26.540 33%.

00:29:27.020 That was registered voters.

00:29:30.040 The rest is registered.

00:29:31.980 How was the economy under Trump?

00:29:34.800 65%.

00:29:35.620 Good.

00:29:36.900 Current under Biden,

00:29:38.220 only 38%.

00:29:39.340 Think it's good.

00:29:41.120 Their policies will make prices go up.

00:29:44.220 Biden, yeah,

00:29:45.120 55% believe Biden's policies

00:29:46.740 will make them go up.

00:29:47.780 How many people believe that about Trump?

00:29:49.460 34%.

00:29:50.460 Whose policies will make prices go down?

00:29:53.200 Biden,

00:29:53.660 only 17% think that.

00:29:55.420 Trump,

00:29:56.120 44% believe Donald Trump's policies

00:29:58.240 will make prices go down.

00:29:59.180 I mean,

00:29:59.360 we could keep going.

00:30:00.960 And then I'll switch over

00:30:01.680 to the New York Times-Siena poll.

00:30:03.980 That one's registered.

00:30:06.120 But if the 2024 presidential election

00:30:08.240 were held today,

00:30:08.980 who would you vote for?

00:30:10.140 Trump 48,

00:30:11.340 Biden 43.

00:30:12.600 Trump up five percentage points.

00:30:15.500 The largest lead,

00:30:16.840 quoting here from Nate Cohn

00:30:17.760 at New York Times,

00:30:18.480 the largest lead Mr.

00:30:20.060 Trump has ever had

00:30:20.960 in a Times-Siena national poll.

00:30:23.400 In fact,

00:30:23.780 it's the largest lead he's had

00:30:25.020 in a Times-Siena

00:30:25.900 or Times-CBS poll

00:30:27.260 since the first running for president

00:30:29.120 back in 2015.

00:30:32.900 The Biden voters among Dems,

00:30:35.860 the share that are enthusiastic,

00:30:37.700 23%.

00:30:38.480 The share of Trump voters

00:30:40.080 who are enthusiastic,

00:30:41.060 48%.

00:30:42.440 48%.

00:30:43.560 48.

00:30:45.000 So more than double

00:30:45.860 the enthusiasm

00:30:46.920 of the Dems.

00:30:48.840 The numbers keep going.

00:30:50.240 We'll get into some more.

00:30:51.200 But I don't think

00:30:52.880 we can overstate

00:30:53.900 the devastation

00:30:55.900 that is in these numbers,

00:30:57.440 Stu.

00:30:57.700 This is five alarm fire time.

00:30:59.980 It is call Michelle Obama time.

00:31:02.080 It's time.

00:31:03.600 It totally is.

00:31:05.160 It's everything's

00:31:06.020 on the table time.

00:31:07.100 And again,

00:31:07.360 these are from

00:31:07.900 their respected pollsters.

00:31:09.560 This isn't some Rasmussen poll

00:31:11.580 that they can dismiss

00:31:12.460 or Trafalgar

00:31:13.220 or something that they don't like.

00:31:15.040 This is from the New York Times.

00:31:16.240 I mean,

00:31:16.360 New York Times-Siena

00:31:16.880 is one of the most

00:31:17.580 respected pollsters out there.

00:31:20.240 They do a good job with polls.

00:31:22.480 And this is showing results

00:31:23.640 that the Democrats

00:31:24.180 must absolutely hate.

00:31:25.520 And their argument

00:31:26.000 seems to come down

00:31:26.800 to basically,

00:31:28.100 eventually we'll get

00:31:29.040 this Death Star put together

00:31:30.440 and everything will be fine

00:31:31.680 when it's fully operational.

00:31:33.420 I don't see how that works

00:31:35.280 for them right now.

00:31:36.400 I mean,

00:31:36.740 it's not impossible,

00:31:37.920 to be fair.

00:31:38.680 I mean,

00:31:39.440 they will have

00:31:40.760 six months of a media

00:31:42.340 doing everything they can

00:31:43.460 to help them.

00:31:44.380 They will try to make

00:31:45.080 Bidenomics look like it's working.

00:31:46.560 They will try all these things.

00:31:47.780 But I think the American people

00:31:48.760 are pretty resistant

00:31:49.780 to completely ignoring

00:31:50.940 the truth that appears

00:31:52.080 in their lives.

00:31:53.120 So it's going to be

00:31:53.640 a really hard sell.

00:31:55.480 And then you're kind of just,

00:31:56.640 I think,

00:31:57.080 depending on the emotions

00:31:58.120 of the moment.

00:31:58.920 We all know that,

00:32:00.400 you know,

00:32:01.000 there's a lot of people out there

00:32:02.140 that really can't stand

00:32:03.400 Donald Trump

00:32:03.920 and will not listen

00:32:05.120 to any argument

00:32:06.560 that results

00:32:07.380 in him being president.

00:32:09.320 They don't want to hear it.

00:32:10.260 They don't like him.

00:32:11.340 And they are depending

00:32:12.940 on that showing its face.

00:32:14.380 And I think

00:32:14.880 where the mistake

00:32:15.720 they're making is,

00:32:17.840 number one,

00:32:18.780 their biggest problem

00:32:19.880 with voters

00:32:20.680 is not solvable.

00:32:23.240 The economy

00:32:24.080 actually is solvable.

00:32:25.520 Maybe we'll have

00:32:26.060 some amazing run.

00:32:27.020 Maybe they can convince people

00:32:28.120 that things are better.

00:32:28.880 Maybe the inflation

00:32:29.760 fears subside.

00:32:30.720 There are things like that

00:32:31.940 that are actually solvable.

00:32:33.100 The age thing

00:32:34.120 is not solvable.

00:32:35.620 And every single person

00:32:36.760 sees it.

00:32:37.320 Every single person knows it.

00:32:38.820 The Times-Siena

00:32:39.780 polling on this

00:32:40.420 is terrible.

00:32:41.520 And there's no way

00:32:42.480 for him to reverse this

00:32:43.680 other than some miracle

00:32:45.300 of modern science

00:32:46.300 that we're no longer,

00:32:47.260 we're not aware of yet.

00:32:48.280 Yeah.

00:32:48.720 So only one thing

00:32:49.780 solves the age thing

00:32:51.000 and that's not really

00:32:52.540 a solution for anybody.

00:32:53.640 It leads to Kamala Harris

00:32:54.980 being president.

00:32:56.320 It does.

00:32:57.020 It does.

00:32:57.740 And they, of course,

00:32:58.840 don't want that either

00:32:59.700 because she's not better.

00:33:00.700 Although that would at least

00:33:01.540 solve this one major problem

00:33:02.920 that they have, I suppose.

00:33:04.500 And you look at this

00:33:05.880 and I think the one thing

00:33:06.560 they're overlooking

00:33:07.200 with this is

00:33:07.940 in 2020,

00:33:09.080 they were able to rely

00:33:11.540 on the fact that

00:33:12.420 a lot of people

00:33:13.200 really hated Donald Trump.

00:33:14.400 And if you keep Biden

00:33:15.740 out of their faces,

00:33:17.900 they won't think

00:33:18.780 about him at all

00:33:19.440 and every vote

00:33:20.160 will be cast

00:33:20.760 either for or against

00:33:21.820 Donald Trump

00:33:22.340 and they think

00:33:22.880 they can win that election

00:33:23.760 and they did win

00:33:24.320 that election in 2020.

00:33:25.720 They think they can run

00:33:26.520 that playbook back in 2024.

00:33:28.200 The problem is

00:33:29.140 two parts there.

00:33:30.280 One is now

00:33:31.100 Biden is president.

00:33:31.860 So now it's not just

00:33:33.140 nothing they're measuring

00:33:34.640 Donald Trump against.

00:33:35.520 They're measuring him

00:33:36.120 against a president

00:33:38.360 that has,

00:33:39.060 as all this polling shows,

00:33:41.260 hurt them.

00:33:42.240 His policies have hurt

00:33:43.580 these voters

00:33:44.360 and now they're expected

00:33:45.220 to embrace him.

00:33:46.400 And secondarily,

00:33:47.680 time heals wounds.

00:33:49.560 Like,

00:33:49.780 people don't really remember

00:33:51.680 the things

00:33:52.240 that they didn't like

00:33:53.040 about Donald Trump

00:33:53.840 in, let's say,

00:33:54.600 September of 2020

00:33:56.080 as they're approaching

00:33:56.740 the election.

00:33:57.500 They're thinking about,

00:33:58.580 well, you know,

00:33:58.920 the economy was good

00:34:00.000 and, you know,

00:34:01.180 a lot of these things,

00:34:02.340 I don't remember

00:34:02.800 being assaulted

00:34:03.540 by my government

00:34:04.280 every single day.

00:34:05.160 Yeah, Trump tweeted a lot,

00:34:06.360 but I can kind of

00:34:07.280 put that aside

00:34:07.960 because the economy

00:34:08.880 is really important

00:34:09.680 and all.

00:34:10.320 And I remember

00:34:10.700 immigrants everywhere

00:34:11.640 killing young girls

00:34:12.860 going out for a jog

00:34:13.900 on university campuses.

00:34:15.360 I mean, yes,

00:34:15.780 you're right.

00:34:16.120 There are actual data points

00:34:17.720 in the news every day

00:34:18.480 now that they can look

00:34:19.340 back at.

00:34:20.640 The economy

00:34:21.600 is always a big one,

00:34:22.800 although immigration

00:34:23.420 seems to be surpassing

00:34:24.540 it right now

00:34:24.900 with voters, Dave.

00:34:26.120 The, uh,

00:34:27.320 listen to this stat.

00:34:28.140 This is back to that

00:34:29.040 New York Times Sienna

00:34:29.900 non-white voters

00:34:32.060 who did not graduate

00:34:33.460 from college.

00:34:35.760 Biden's up

00:34:36.460 by six points

00:34:37.660 with them.

00:34:38.740 Okay, well,

00:34:39.100 you might be thinking,

00:34:39.820 he's up by six points.

00:34:41.400 He won this group

00:34:42.380 by almost 50 points

00:34:44.180 in 2020.

00:34:45.800 My God,

00:34:47.560 that he can't,

00:34:49.120 he can't win

00:34:50.200 if this stays this way.

00:34:51.860 He,

00:34:52.660 where does he make

00:34:53.900 up

00:34:54.780 for those lost voters?

00:34:56.800 Okay,

00:34:57.300 the soccer moms,

00:34:58.400 they already went

00:34:58.920 for Biden.

00:35:00.000 If anything,

00:35:00.480 they're probably

00:35:00.800 migrating back over

00:35:01.740 to Trump by a trickle,

00:35:02.820 not by these numbers,

00:35:04.080 but he can't win

00:35:05.560 if that stays like that.

00:35:07.400 Yeah,

00:35:07.560 I mean,

00:35:07.740 he had 72%

00:35:08.900 of that demographic.

00:35:11.180 The one that really

00:35:11.940 jumped out to me,

00:35:13.080 um,

00:35:14.260 he lost 10%

00:35:16.120 of Biden voters,

00:35:17.960 by which I mean,

00:35:19.040 of people who voted

00:35:20.080 for Joe Biden

00:35:20.900 in 2020,

00:35:22.380 10%

00:35:22.980 say they're not

00:35:24.280 going to vote

00:35:25.020 for Joe Biden.

00:35:25.700 Not only does that

00:35:27.640 make Donald Trump

00:35:28.760 president,

00:35:29.220 I mean,

00:35:29.420 that makes Donald

00:35:30.380 Trump president

00:35:30.920 in a landslide.

00:35:33.260 And I think Stu

00:35:34.080 just hit on something

00:35:34.940 really important

00:35:35.580 because like Stu

00:35:36.320 is right.

00:35:36.820 There are those people

00:35:37.680 who they really,

00:35:38.700 they're not,

00:35:39.480 they don't like Donald

00:35:40.240 Trump and they refuse

00:35:41.380 to think of him

00:35:43.040 as being president.

00:35:44.200 There's also a group

00:35:45.300 of people who aren't

00:35:46.720 nuts about Donald Trump.

00:35:48.040 They don't really

00:35:48.820 like Donald Trump,

00:35:49.800 but are willing

00:35:50.480 to be transactional

00:35:51.540 about it.

00:35:51.980 I remember being

00:35:52.560 in an auction once

00:35:53.400 and the auctioneer

00:35:54.080 was trying to move

00:35:54.780 something and nobody

00:35:55.960 was biting.

00:35:56.600 And he finally said,

00:35:57.220 you know,

00:35:57.380 you don't have to

00:35:58.020 like it to buy it.

00:35:59.520 And what he meant

00:36:00.200 was this is a good deal.

00:36:01.560 You can turn this around

00:36:02.380 and make some money

00:36:03.020 off it.

00:36:03.520 And he eventually

00:36:04.040 sold it,

00:36:04.760 right?

00:36:04.960 Because people will

00:36:05.700 think with their minds

00:36:06.600 and they'll say

00:36:07.360 exactly what Stu said,

00:36:08.820 like,

00:36:09.060 like I was better off

00:36:10.200 under this guy,

00:36:11.360 even if I'm not

00:36:12.160 a big fan of him.

00:36:13.460 So I do think

00:36:14.480 that people are moving

00:36:15.500 to Trump in that direction

00:36:16.760 and they're moving

00:36:17.440 away from Biden

00:36:18.840 in the opposite direction.

00:36:20.720 And that poor guy,

00:36:22.000 I mean,

00:36:22.260 he's taking it

00:36:23.180 on all sides now.

00:36:24.640 I mean,

00:36:24.780 he's taking it

00:36:25.440 from the left

00:36:26.160 on Israel.

00:36:27.400 He's taking it

00:36:28.280 from the right

00:36:28.940 on the border.

00:36:29.800 I mean,

00:36:30.260 there is no place

00:36:31.580 that he can step

00:36:32.480 right now

00:36:32.920 without stepping

00:36:33.580 on a landmine.

00:36:34.740 And it's,

00:36:36.180 I don't,

00:36:36.900 I don't know

00:36:37.400 what the path

00:36:38.240 out of that landmine is.

00:36:41.140 The,

00:36:41.680 the stat

00:36:42.560 you just mentioned

00:36:43.480 that's from

00:36:44.260 the same poll,

00:36:45.180 New York Times-Siena,

00:36:46.760 says Trump

00:36:48.180 is winning

00:36:48.780 97%

00:36:50.300 of those

00:36:50.780 who say

00:36:51.100 they voted

00:36:51.480 for him

00:36:51.840 four years ago.

00:36:53.240 Virtually none

00:36:53.780 of his past supporters

00:36:54.620 said they are

00:36:55.360 casting a ballot

00:36:56.040 for Biden.

00:36:56.920 Now that would

00:36:57.680 not ordinarily

00:36:58.480 be enough

00:36:59.020 because Trump

00:36:59.540 lost in 2020.

00:37:01.000 You know,

00:37:01.180 he,

00:37:01.360 he needs to go

00:37:02.560 100%

00:37:03.340 and then some

00:37:04.220 in order to

00:37:04.760 change the result

00:37:05.500 unless his competitor

00:37:07.740 has taken

00:37:08.980 a bigger beating.

00:37:09.960 And that number

00:37:10.940 is Biden

00:37:12.380 is winning

00:37:12.980 only 83%

00:37:15.100 of his

00:37:16.340 2020 voters.

00:37:17.640 His

00:37:17.980 20 voters

00:37:19.180 so he's lost

00:37:19.660 17%

00:37:21.000 and the number

00:37:21.560 you just referenced

00:37:22.320 10% saying

00:37:23.800 it's not just

00:37:25.020 that they're no longer

00:37:25.860 going to vote

00:37:26.340 for Biden.

00:37:27.300 They're going

00:37:28.040 to vote

00:37:28.580 for Trump.

00:37:29.920 They're going

00:37:30.580 to vote

00:37:30.920 for Trump.

00:37:31.640 And then you got

00:37:32.000 another 7%

00:37:32.860 who are either

00:37:33.760 not going to vote

00:37:34.500 or go RFKJ

00:37:35.760 or Cornel West

00:37:36.840 or I don't know

00:37:37.660 what they're going

00:37:38.100 to do.

00:37:38.720 But this is not,

00:37:40.320 this is not

00:37:40.680 a winning campaign.

00:37:42.240 You look at

00:37:42.860 the numbers

00:37:43.260 and the numbers

00:37:43.800 tell you

00:37:45.020 how it's likely

00:37:45.500 to go.

00:37:46.620 This is not

00:37:47.320 a winning campaign

00:37:47.860 especially because

00:37:48.600 historically

00:37:49.180 Trump polls

00:37:50.420 terribly.

00:37:51.640 You know,

00:37:51.840 I mean,

00:37:52.640 when the polls

00:37:53.280 are wrong

00:37:53.680 they're usually

00:37:54.100 wrong in the

00:37:54.900 Democrats'

00:37:55.540 favor.

00:37:55.920 That's what

00:37:56.320 we were all

00:37:56.780 told going

00:37:57.300 into the

00:37:57.720 2016 election

00:37:58.840 night.

00:37:59.280 Hillary Clinton

00:37:59.760 had a 98%

00:38:00.840 chance of beating

00:38:01.660 him.

00:38:02.680 Look at these

00:38:03.380 numbers.

00:38:04.020 I never want

00:38:05.320 to get out

00:38:05.660 ahead of my

00:38:06.120 skis when it

00:38:06.620 comes to

00:38:06.940 Republicans

00:38:07.500 doing well

00:38:08.100 in the polls,

00:38:08.680 guys,

00:38:09.120 right?

00:38:09.360 It's like

00:38:09.720 got burned

00:38:11.380 by that in

00:38:11.960 the last

00:38:12.260 midterm

00:38:12.580 election and

00:38:13.900 I don't know.

00:38:14.780 Republicans

00:38:15.100 aren't going

00:38:15.520 to get out

00:38:15.880 the vote.

00:38:16.280 They're just

00:38:16.480 not.

00:38:17.320 But they're

00:38:19.480 not going to

00:38:19.820 win.

00:38:20.280 If this is

00:38:21.140 real and

00:38:21.560 doesn't change,

00:38:22.260 they're dead.

00:38:23.660 It's time to

00:38:24.720 break glass in

00:38:25.880 case of

00:38:26.220 emergency,

00:38:27.020 but they

00:38:27.780 won't.

00:38:28.440 They won't,

00:38:29.120 Stu.

00:38:29.260 I mean,

00:38:29.380 what they're

00:38:29.600 saying,

00:38:30.080 you know,

00:38:30.440 internally is

00:38:32.060 get over it.

00:38:32.920 He's not

00:38:33.340 leaving,

00:38:34.180 you know,

00:38:34.920 and we heard

00:38:35.780 Bill Maher say

00:38:36.860 over the

00:38:37.280 weekend,

00:38:37.700 like,

00:38:38.140 he should

00:38:38.500 lean into

00:38:39.100 his age.

00:38:40.040 He should

00:38:40.280 just own.

00:38:41.580 I'm old.

00:38:42.480 I walk with

00:38:43.300 a stiff gait.

00:38:44.640 But you know

00:38:45.000 what?

00:38:45.240 Fellow old

00:38:46.200 people who

00:38:46.700 tend to vote

00:38:47.180 way more

00:38:47.620 than young

00:38:48.000 people,

00:38:48.740 I'm one of

00:38:49.260 you.

00:38:49.920 I'm not

00:38:50.360 crazy and

00:38:51.420 I'll make

00:38:51.680 good decisions.

00:38:54.060 It's not

00:38:54.640 terrible advice.

00:38:55.440 I will say,

00:38:55.960 if Republicans

00:38:56.540 cannot win an

00:38:57.280 election in

00:38:57.880 this environment

00:38:58.800 where they have

00:38:59.460 an incredibly

00:39:00.380 unpopular

00:39:01.100 incumbent president

00:39:02.700 and immigration

00:39:04.540 is the number

00:39:05.380 one issue

00:39:06.040 in the minds

00:39:06.620 of voters,

00:39:07.060 if you can't

00:39:07.620 win in that

00:39:07.960 environment as

00:39:08.460 a Republican,

00:39:08.980 I don't know

00:39:09.300 if you'll ever

00:39:09.740 win an election.

00:39:11.340 And I think

00:39:11.980 what Mar brings

00:39:12.960 up is interesting.

00:39:14.980 It's probably

00:39:15.680 a better approach

00:39:16.400 than what he's

00:39:17.000 currently doing,

00:39:17.740 which is trying

00:39:18.220 to say,

00:39:18.520 like,

00:39:18.680 it's not real.

00:39:19.380 Don't believe

00:39:19.840 your lying eyes.

00:39:20.660 That's kind of

00:39:21.160 his approach

00:39:22.040 at this point.

00:39:22.600 And I think

00:39:22.840 it's a terrible

00:39:23.280 one.

00:39:23.300 Forgive the

00:39:23.400 interruption,

00:39:23.920 Stowe.

00:39:24.100 We actually

00:39:24.560 have the clips.

00:39:25.320 I'll play it

00:39:25.700 and then pick

00:39:26.020 up your thought

00:39:26.380 on the back

00:39:26.720 end.

00:39:26.920 Here it is.

00:39:28.840 Don't try

00:39:29.420 to deny the age

00:39:30.340 thing.

00:39:30.940 Lean into it.

00:39:32.120 Lean in.

00:39:33.140 Lean in like

00:39:33.700 you're eating

00:39:34.060 soup.

00:39:34.840 And just admit it.

00:39:36.060 Say, yes,

00:39:36.760 I'm bad with names

00:39:37.840 and I walk like a

00:39:40.380 but I believe

00:39:41.600 in democracy.

00:39:42.660 72% of people

00:39:44.000 over 65 voted.

00:39:45.880 Those are your

00:39:46.460 people, Joe.

00:39:47.340 The Matlock crowd.

00:39:48.780 Reach out to them.

00:39:50.540 Take all your ads

00:39:51.640 off Twitter

00:39:52.180 and put them

00:39:52.760 on CBS.

00:39:55.860 Tell America

00:39:56.900 I feel your

00:39:57.820 joint pain.

00:39:59.080 So,

00:39:59.500 next Thursday,

00:40:00.860 when the president

00:40:01.500 delivers the State

00:40:02.420 of the Union,

00:40:03.180 I say he should

00:40:04.660 let his old

00:40:05.400 fart flag fly.

00:40:08.020 Go ahead,

00:40:08.800 Stu.

00:40:08.960 It's incredible.

00:40:11.300 It's absolutely

00:40:12.320 a better strategy

00:40:13.180 than what they're

00:40:13.640 doing now.

00:40:14.100 But let me propose

00:40:14.700 a more radical

00:40:15.340 one.

00:40:16.080 And I think

00:40:16.580 all of us

00:40:17.120 would agree

00:40:17.500 that if they

00:40:19.120 could switch

00:40:20.000 out Joe Biden

00:40:21.040 for Michelle

00:40:21.600 Obama,

00:40:22.280 assuming Biden

00:40:23.580 would go along

00:40:24.180 with that,

00:40:24.480 if you're king

00:40:25.060 of the Democratic

00:40:25.600 Party right now

00:40:26.220 and can just

00:40:26.460 make these

00:40:26.920 decisions,

00:40:27.700 you'd do it.

00:40:28.340 You'd do it

00:40:28.860 with Michelle

00:40:29.180 Obama.

00:40:29.640 You'd probably

00:40:30.060 do it with

00:40:30.440 any number

00:40:31.080 of candidates.

00:40:31.640 The one you

00:40:32.060 wouldn't want

00:40:32.580 to do it with

00:40:32.980 probably is

00:40:33.580 Kamala Harris.

00:40:34.180 But let me

00:40:34.540 propose that I

00:40:36.240 think if I were

00:40:36.920 the king of the

00:40:37.420 Democratic Party

00:40:38.020 right now,

00:40:38.780 I actually

00:40:39.440 would make

00:40:40.100 that switch.

00:40:40.700 I would switch

00:40:41.580 Joe Biden

00:40:42.600 for Kamala

00:40:43.540 Harris.

00:40:44.280 And we all

00:40:45.140 know Kamala

00:40:45.680 Harris is

00:40:46.100 terrible.

00:40:46.580 Her approval

00:40:46.980 ratings are

00:40:47.380 actually slightly

00:40:48.280 worse than

00:40:49.880 Joe Biden's.

00:40:51.060 However,

00:40:51.580 the one thing

00:40:52.420 you'd be able

00:40:52.980 to get out

00:40:53.520 of that switch,

00:40:54.060 maybe two

00:40:54.420 things.

00:40:54.760 One is

00:40:56.000 you'd be able

00:40:56.600 to at least

00:40:57.080 solve the age

00:40:58.180 issue,

00:40:58.460 which is still

00:40:59.300 the biggest

00:40:59.860 drain on Joe

00:41:01.540 Biden.

00:41:02.040 Even though his

00:41:02.600 policies are terrible

00:41:03.500 and I have all

00:41:04.200 policy disagreements

00:41:05.240 with him,

00:41:06.000 the fact that

00:41:06.500 the man can't

00:41:07.260 get through

00:41:07.540 three sentences

00:41:08.300 without stopping

00:41:09.680 for eight seconds

00:41:10.620 or forgetting a

00:41:11.400 name or stumbling

00:41:12.500 over himself or

00:41:13.300 literally stumbling

00:41:14.060 and falling down

00:41:15.600 is their biggest

00:41:17.440 problem and it

00:41:18.680 affects even their

00:41:19.720 own voters.

00:41:20.960 You solve that

00:41:21.620 problem and in

00:41:22.240 fact you probably

00:41:22.980 turn it into an

00:41:23.800 asset where Trump

00:41:24.640 is at 77 and

00:41:25.640 now you have

00:41:26.060 Kamala Harris much

00:41:26.960 younger.

00:41:27.880 And then at your

00:41:28.420 worst case scenario,

00:41:29.640 if Kamala Harris

00:41:30.260 falls on her face,

00:41:31.560 like Joe Biden

00:41:32.300 likely will,

00:41:32.960 you at least

00:41:34.660 solve the

00:41:35.400 Kamala Harris

00:41:36.060 problem going

00:41:36.940 forward.

00:41:37.600 One of the big

00:41:38.100 issues with

00:41:38.820 switching out is

00:41:39.600 how do you go to

00:41:40.300 somebody else other

00:41:41.160 than Kamala Harris

00:41:41.800 when she's the

00:41:42.240 VP, your voters

00:41:43.360 care so much about

00:41:44.200 the intersectional

00:41:45.200 vibes, at least

00:41:46.500 at this point she

00:41:47.500 goes out there and

00:41:48.040 she loses, you're

00:41:49.300 at least done with

00:41:50.380 that problem till

00:41:51.140 the end of time.

00:41:52.260 I think, I'd love

00:41:53.400 to hear if you think

00:41:54.080 this is the right

00:41:55.140 move, but if you

00:41:55.800 had a choice to

00:41:57.140 just pull the plug

00:41:58.080 right now, not

00:41:58.960 literally Joe, pull

00:42:00.180 the plug right now

00:42:01.060 on Joe Biden's

00:42:02.320 candidacy and

00:42:03.080 just switch over

00:42:03.880 to Kamala and

00:42:04.480 roll the dice,

00:42:04.940 would you do it?

00:42:05.700 No, no, I, I

00:42:07.140 look, not to go

00:42:08.760 all, you know,

00:42:09.720 female girl power

00:42:11.560 on you, but the

00:42:12.540 United States has

00:42:13.580 never elected a

00:42:14.220 female president

00:42:14.780 ever.

00:42:16.980 It's really

00:42:17.620 ridiculous.

00:42:18.100 I'm sorry, but

00:42:18.840 it's absurd.

00:42:19.720 And the first one's

00:42:20.800 not going to be

00:42:21.160 Kamala Harris.

00:42:21.780 It's not going to

00:42:22.600 be.

00:42:22.980 It's going to be

00:42:23.740 somebody truly

00:42:24.260 extraordinary,

00:42:25.140 somebody articulate,

00:42:25.980 somebody strong,

00:42:27.080 somebody who is a

00:42:28.340 leader.

00:42:28.940 It's not going to

00:42:29.680 be Kamala Harris.

00:42:30.840 There's, for

00:42:31.600 whatever reason,

00:42:32.220 there's, there's

00:42:33.200 like a skepticism

00:42:34.020 about it, probably

00:42:34.780 because we've never

00:42:35.260 had it.

00:42:36.080 And even though

00:42:36.740 we've had strong

00:42:37.340 female leaders at

00:42:38.360 the senatorial level

00:42:39.320 and, you know,

00:42:39.920 in other countries,

00:42:41.200 Americans are just

00:42:42.180 kind of used to the

00:42:43.060 one thing.

00:42:43.440 It's just, it's like

00:42:44.200 the way I felt when

00:42:45.040 I went to an

00:42:45.880 Episcopal church the

00:42:47.560 other day.

00:42:48.120 I'm like, what,

00:42:49.260 why are there female

00:42:50.040 priests?

00:42:50.460 That's not a thing.

00:42:51.260 I don't, I'm

00:42:51.980 skeptical.

00:42:52.620 I'm Catholic.

00:42:53.540 I'm used to the

00:42:54.240 men.

00:42:55.040 It's fine.

00:42:55.880 It's not for me,

00:42:56.620 but it's fine.

00:42:57.340 Whatever.

00:42:58.180 I'm just saying the

00:42:59.540 first female leader is

00:43:00.600 not going to be

00:43:02.100 Kamala Harris.

00:43:03.380 And indeed it

00:43:04.580 cannot be for the

00:43:05.740 sake of women kind

00:43:07.020 and our future in

00:43:09.060 this position and

00:43:09.960 roles.

00:43:10.460 It cannot be such a

00:43:11.580 moron.

00:43:12.460 We need somebody who

00:43:13.400 actually can do the

00:43:14.040 job and who we can

00:43:14.660 look up to, even if

00:43:15.780 we disagree with her

00:43:16.380 politics.

00:43:17.020 She's not it.

00:43:19.240 Dave.

00:43:20.200 Yeah.

00:43:20.640 The other issue is

00:43:22.820 immigration.

00:43:23.640 And as I mentioned

00:43:24.260 just in that comment,

00:43:25.580 it's everywhere.

00:43:26.760 These stories about,

00:43:28.280 you know, what's

00:43:28.860 happening, the college

00:43:31.580 campuses and elsewhere,

00:43:33.200 the murders of

00:43:34.520 American citizens, our

00:43:35.760 youngest, our most

00:43:36.620 vulnerable.

00:43:38.300 Lake and Riley was

00:43:39.120 the latest, but this

00:43:39.860 has been going on

00:43:40.480 now.

00:43:41.480 And we have a sat, we

00:43:43.620 have an ad that was

00:43:45.120 just put out by, I

00:43:48.440 think he described

00:43:49.560 himself as an activist

00:43:50.620 on Twitter that's

00:43:51.700 gone pretty viral

00:43:52.780 trying to find the

00:43:53.720 actual name of the

00:43:54.360 guy.

00:43:54.660 I'll get it on the

00:43:55.280 back end.

00:43:56.220 But watch this ad

00:43:58.420 that's just been

00:43:59.560 dropped on X.

00:44:01.080 I would, in fact,

00:44:02.060 make sure we

00:44:02.980 immediately surge to

00:44:04.380 the border.

00:44:05.200 All those people

00:44:05.920 surge to the border,

00:44:07.260 surge to the border.

00:44:08.860 More than 7 million

00:44:09.700 people, that's how

00:44:10.620 many foreigners have

00:44:11.640 entered this country

00:44:12.580 without permission or

00:44:13.960 documentation.

00:44:16.080 The Venezuelan

00:44:17.120 government is

00:44:18.020 purposely freeing

00:44:19.040 inmates, including

00:44:19.760 some convicted,

00:44:20.620 of murder, rape,

00:44:22.500 and those criminals

00:44:23.200 are now entering the

00:44:24.280 U.S. through our

00:44:25.140 southern border.

00:44:25.900 Few details in the

00:44:26.740 murder of Lake and

00:44:27.460 Riley that's sparking

00:44:28.600 massive outrage after

00:44:30.000 her alleged killer was

00:44:31.200 in the country

00:44:31.800 illegally.

00:44:32.900 Her Pasadena girl was

00:44:34.120 found sexually

00:44:34.780 assaulted and strangled.

00:44:35.920 An undocumented

00:44:36.580 migrant illegally

00:44:37.620 crossed into the

00:44:38.460 United States.

00:44:39.200 An illegal immigrant

00:44:40.020 charged in the

00:44:40.800 hit and run that

00:44:41.600 killed a 10-year-old

00:44:42.820 boy.

00:44:43.400 A shooting that

00:44:44.100 left a 2-year-old

00:44:45.100 boy dead.

00:44:45.640 This suspect was

00:44:46.640 in the country

00:44:47.200 illegally.

00:44:47.900 I caution

00:44:48.380 against conflating

00:44:49.280 immigration and

00:44:49.940 crime.

00:44:50.860 The data

00:44:51.140 demonstrates that

00:44:51.860 the two are not

00:44:52.540 connected.

00:44:52.900 Very powerful.

00:44:56.720 He describes himself

00:44:57.560 as creator, editor,

00:44:58.820 video researcher,

00:44:59.720 anti-communist,

00:45:00.780 liberty maximalist,

00:45:02.560 has some 61,000

00:45:04.200 followers on X.

00:45:06.060 I haven't seen

00:45:06.860 anything more

00:45:07.220 powerful than that

00:45:07.960 yet.

00:45:08.920 I mean, it brings it

00:45:10.540 home what's happened

00:45:11.600 to our most vulnerable,

00:45:13.680 our youngest, and the

00:45:15.080 pain, the back end of

00:45:16.000 the ad, gets into the

00:45:16.920 pain that the families

00:45:18.360 have felt.

00:45:18.900 What did you make of it,

00:45:19.640 Dave?

00:45:20.420 It's an incredibly

00:45:21.300 powerful ad.

00:45:22.160 It's an incredibly

00:45:22.860 powerful issue.

00:45:24.960 You know, the horrible

00:45:26.380 tragedy of Lake and

00:45:28.140 Riley is something that

00:45:29.560 everybody can feel.

00:45:31.880 And no matter how you

00:45:33.180 try to spin it, it's a

00:45:34.220 person who just should

00:45:35.340 not have been in the

00:45:36.260 country, which means

00:45:37.640 that this simply should

00:45:38.940 not have happened.

00:45:40.680 The left and their

00:45:41.580 media allies are

00:45:42.320 absolutely flailing on

00:45:43.580 this.

00:45:43.840 Just the other day,

00:45:45.100 MSNBC ran an article

00:45:47.580 where they said that,

00:45:49.100 well, the data doesn't

00:45:49.740 support Trump in terms

00:45:51.560 of there being a

00:45:52.200 migrant crime wave.

00:45:53.760 I'm not making this

00:45:54.940 up.

00:45:55.600 On graph 13 or 14,

00:45:58.480 right, of this article,

00:45:59.960 it says, we don't

00:46:02.080 actually know how many

00:46:03.660 illegal immigrants are

00:46:04.660 committing crimes because

00:46:05.940 generally speaking, local

00:46:07.320 police don't take that

00:46:09.080 information.

00:46:10.380 So it just blows up the

00:46:11.920 entire premise of the

00:46:13.660 article.

00:46:14.520 They're literally on graph

00:46:15.800 13 or 14 saying, hey,

00:46:17.460 by the way, this entire

00:46:18.320 article is a bunch of

00:46:19.480 bullshit that you should

00:46:20.300 pay no attention to.

00:46:22.060 But instead, the headline

00:46:23.900 says Trump doesn't know

00:46:25.140 what he's talking about.

00:46:26.340 That gets played over and

00:46:28.020 over on MSNBC.

00:46:29.420 But it's not going to work

00:46:31.000 because people in New York

00:46:32.500 City are seeing the local

00:46:34.140 news coverage of cops

00:46:35.760 getting beat up.

00:46:36.920 People all over the

00:46:37.640 country in places like

00:46:38.660 Miami are seeing that

00:46:40.160 Trendyaragua are taking

00:46:42.180 over the prisons just like

00:46:43.440 MS-13 did.

00:46:44.560 And so there's some things

00:46:45.780 you can't hide.

00:46:46.480 The media is going to try

00:46:47.420 to.

00:46:47.740 That was a particularly

00:46:48.400 shameless attempt, but it's

00:46:50.160 really not going to work.

00:46:52.060 You know, Stu, they they

00:46:54.460 say, OK, that MSNBC and

00:46:55.920 the others, you're much

00:46:56.800 more likely to get

00:46:57.400 assaulted by an American

00:46:58.340 than you are an illegal.

00:46:59.500 OK, that's because we have

00:47:01.340 330 million Americans in

00:47:03.120 this country and who knows

00:47:04.800 how many illegals are

00:47:05.800 running, 20 million in the

00:47:07.440 country right now.

00:47:08.080 So obviously, by pure

00:47:09.700 statistics, that's likely.

00:47:11.460 But as Charles C.W.

00:47:12.600 Cook was saying on the

00:47:13.220 editors the other day, who

00:47:14.500 cares?

00:47:15.440 One is too many.

00:47:16.860 Americans we have to deal

00:47:17.880 with.

00:47:18.560 We can't just kick them out

00:47:19.440 of the country.

00:47:20.060 There are brothers and

00:47:20.780 sisters, criminals or not,

00:47:22.320 may not be on their side.

00:47:23.760 They may not be on ours, but

00:47:24.880 that's not the issue.

00:47:26.800 One crime by one illegal is

00:47:29.200 one too many.

00:47:30.120 And that's something we can

00:47:31.720 do something about, but

00:47:33.080 aren't on the back end

00:47:34.680 because of the sanctuary

00:47:35.720 cities and aren't even

00:47:37.140 trying to prevent by keeping

00:47:39.000 them out or throwing them

00:47:40.440 out once we know they're

00:47:42.060 here illegally.

00:47:43.520 Yeah, I 100 percent agree

00:47:45.640 with you and Charles on

00:47:46.660 that.

00:47:46.940 It is it's a situation where

00:47:49.040 they try to do this all the

00:47:50.340 time.

00:47:50.620 They will say, well,

00:47:51.280 immigrants actually have

00:47:52.100 lower rates of crime.

00:47:53.260 Of course, they won't

00:47:54.100 separate separate out legal

00:47:56.000 immigrants and illegal

00:47:56.840 immigrants when they do

00:47:57.680 that most of the time,

00:47:58.900 which, of course, legal

00:47:59.660 immigrants are welcome

00:48:00.860 here and celebrated here,

00:48:02.820 I think, by by most

00:48:03.880 Americans.

00:48:04.600 And that's the right thing

00:48:05.640 to do.

00:48:06.060 In fact, the people that

00:48:06.920 come here legally are

00:48:07.840 often often cherished what

00:48:09.780 America is even more than

00:48:11.680 Native Americans, because

00:48:12.840 we kind of take it for

00:48:13.580 granted sometimes.

00:48:14.520 I mean, that's just true.

00:48:16.200 And sometimes people who

00:48:17.280 come here legally can,

00:48:18.820 you know, they are

00:48:19.880 fantastic citizens.

00:48:21.640 Illegal immigrants are

00:48:22.500 another story.

00:48:23.500 Also, part of that

00:48:24.400 analysis is that people

00:48:25.940 who come here and are,

00:48:27.660 you know, immigrants are

00:48:29.780 largely older and

00:48:31.260 generally older when they

00:48:32.820 come over, sometimes out

00:48:33.940 of the normal years where

00:48:36.360 crime is most likely

00:48:37.420 committed.

00:48:37.800 So you have a situation

00:48:39.160 where it is it's a

00:48:40.580 ridiculous analogy in the

00:48:41.580 first place, but it

00:48:42.240 doesn't even matter who

00:48:43.880 cares what lower rate they

00:48:45.600 have when it comes to

00:48:46.960 crime.

00:48:47.360 You don't import crime.

00:48:49.180 There's no reason to

00:48:50.380 import crime.

00:48:51.220 You should be sure you

00:48:52.640 should be sure that when

00:48:54.660 someone comes over here,

00:48:55.760 you would accept them in

00:48:57.260 your in your house, in

00:48:58.640 your family, at your

00:48:59.620 schools.

00:49:00.360 We should only be looking

00:49:01.460 for the people we really

00:49:02.220 want and accept you.

00:49:03.760 That's what every other

00:49:04.200 country does.

00:49:05.180 All right.

00:49:05.820 Stand by, guys.

00:49:06.660 Quick break.

00:49:07.160 Coming back.

00:49:07.640 So much more to get to

00:49:08.720 that 60 Minutes report

00:49:10.140 among them.

00:49:14.300 So we have got to get on

00:49:15.900 to what happened on 60

00:49:18.180 Minutes last night.

00:49:20.660 Unbelievable.

00:49:21.800 I'm ashamed of you, Scott

00:49:23.260 Pelley.

00:49:23.800 I'm ashamed of you.

00:49:25.100 You're disgusting.

00:49:26.340 You failed America's

00:49:27.560 children.

00:49:28.220 I'm glad you feel so good

00:49:29.580 about yourself.

00:49:30.920 But my kids and the kids

00:49:33.260 of anybody who's got

00:49:34.440 young ones who were in

00:49:35.480 elementary school or middle

00:49:36.560 school are the ones who

00:49:37.780 are going to pay the

00:49:38.320 penalty for the, using

00:49:40.140 your favorite word,

00:49:41.240 disinformation you put out

00:49:42.680 on CBS News last night.

00:49:44.520 Mike Wallace is rolling

00:49:45.600 over in his grave.

00:49:46.960 Ed Bradley, too.

00:49:47.900 They had on Moms for Liberty.

00:49:52.520 And Moms for Liberty, of course,

00:49:53.840 is this group of moms

00:49:54.780 originating out of Florida

00:49:57.000 who decided to run for school

00:49:59.020 boards and so on when they

00:50:00.040 saw overreaches by teachers

00:50:02.540 who want to indoctrinate

00:50:04.220 students in left-wing thinking

00:50:05.580 instead of just teaching them

00:50:07.500 basic subject matters, math,

00:50:10.200 reading, and so on.

00:50:11.620 And then they also reacted

00:50:13.000 to the COVID overreach.

00:50:14.820 And they've been great.

00:50:16.100 I mean, they have 100,000

00:50:17.500 strong, they say.

00:50:18.900 So they've been getting out

00:50:20.400 a little bit more

00:50:20.880 into the press.

00:50:21.500 We played a soundbite

00:50:22.320 recently of Tiffany Justice

00:50:23.660 on with Joy Reid on MSNBC.

00:50:27.420 It didn't go well.

00:50:28.980 I'm just going to tell you

00:50:29.860 it didn't go well.

00:50:30.620 Joy Reid did not give her

00:50:31.760 a fair shake.

00:50:33.000 And though I love Tiffany,

00:50:34.680 I don't think it went

00:50:35.480 very well for her.

00:50:36.400 I don't.

00:50:37.240 I don't.

00:50:38.000 I love her and I love them

00:50:39.400 and I want them to get

00:50:40.300 better at media before

00:50:41.220 they keep going out there.

00:50:42.480 I'm just going to be honest

00:50:43.440 because I watched this

00:50:45.160 with immense frustration.

00:50:48.240 Immense.

00:50:50.240 Not everybody can do media.

00:50:52.260 Not everybody can fight

00:50:53.180 with the likes of Scott Pelley

00:50:54.340 and CBS in 60 Minutes.

00:50:55.900 Not everybody knows

00:50:56.660 their tactics and what

00:50:57.520 they're going to do.

00:50:58.480 And he embarrassed them

00:51:00.380 because he's deceitful

00:51:02.260 and dishonest,

00:51:03.300 which was foreseeable

00:51:04.240 and Moms for Liberty

00:51:05.240 taped it,

00:51:06.280 which, yes,

00:51:06.940 that was the move.

00:51:08.300 But they're

00:51:09.400 you you even

00:51:10.520 if you've given the answer

00:51:11.480 in response to an earlier

00:51:12.420 question,

00:51:13.120 you must give it again.

00:51:14.500 Everything.

00:51:15.020 It must be given

00:51:15.760 in response to each question

00:51:17.460 or he will not use it

00:51:19.140 just because you reference

00:51:20.600 something earlier.

00:51:21.400 You cannot skip it

00:51:22.700 the second time

00:51:23.500 or third time.

00:51:24.060 He comes back to it

00:51:24.700 because he will keep

00:51:26.260 asking it of you

00:51:27.260 until you give him

00:51:28.680 a generic answer.

00:51:30.460 And then he will show

00:51:31.800 it to his audience

00:51:32.560 and say she dodged.

00:51:33.880 She didn't answer

00:51:34.660 the question.

00:51:35.420 That's what efforts

00:51:36.320 these guys are.

00:51:37.860 So

00:51:38.080 that's my

00:51:41.320 friendly criticism

00:51:43.200 to Moms for Liberty

00:51:44.200 and I hope they listen

00:51:44.940 to me.

00:51:46.080 Scott Pelley,

00:51:47.120 you on the other hand

00:51:47.840 are dishonest

00:51:48.380 and disgusting

00:51:48.880 and I saw exactly

00:51:49.880 what you did to them.

00:51:50.920 These are moms

00:51:51.620 who got off the couch

00:51:52.880 to be activists

00:51:53.500 to help their kids

00:51:54.360 and you treated them

00:51:55.260 like they were terrorists.

00:51:56.780 The way you treated them

00:51:57.960 was grossly dishonest

00:51:59.840 and a journalistic

00:52:01.280 disservice to your audience

00:52:02.540 and to children.

00:52:03.340 I'm literally getting hot

00:52:05.460 as I,

00:52:06.360 is it my age?

00:52:07.760 I don't,

00:52:08.140 I'm getting hot.

00:52:09.060 Like I,

00:52:09.360 I'm mad.

00:52:10.560 So,

00:52:11.360 so let me show you

00:52:13.060 what he did.

00:52:15.560 First,

00:52:16.060 he asks,

00:52:17.200 what ideology

00:52:18.680 are the children

00:52:20.020 being indoctrinated into?

00:52:22.140 Okay,

00:52:22.280 I'm going to set it up

00:52:22.900 for you.

00:52:23.080 I don't think,

00:52:23.460 I don't,

00:52:23.700 I'm not sure,

00:52:24.300 I don't know.

00:52:25.560 I'm not sure

00:52:26.220 where this begins.

00:52:27.060 He's asking,

00:52:28.460 they're saying,

00:52:29.040 look,

00:52:29.160 we love teachers,

00:52:29.860 but there are some

00:52:30.400 rogue ones in America

00:52:31.320 and he does the old eyebrow.

00:52:34.260 He does the eyebrow.

00:52:35.500 I could show you the eyebrow

00:52:36.640 if my Botox weren't fresh.

00:52:38.960 Rogue teachers?

00:52:40.860 Rogue teachers,

00:52:41.880 he says?

00:52:43.240 And they answer,

00:52:44.580 the other woman is

00:52:45.140 Atina Deskovich,

00:52:46.240 who's with her.

00:52:47.400 Rogue teachers.

00:52:48.840 They stand by.

00:52:50.460 And then Tiffany says,

00:52:52.840 parents send their children

00:52:53.700 to school to be educated,

00:52:55.340 not indoctrinated,

00:52:56.840 into ideology.

00:52:58.400 And there goes Scott Pelley.

00:53:00.260 What ideology?

00:53:01.320 Okay,

00:53:01.600 now watch.

00:53:04.200 There are rogue teachers

00:53:05.440 in America's classrooms

00:53:06.440 right now.

00:53:07.200 Rogue teachers?

00:53:08.280 Rogue teachers.

00:53:08.820 Parents send their children

00:53:09.900 to school to be educated,

00:53:11.160 not indoctrinated,

00:53:12.100 into ideology.

00:53:12.880 What ideology are they

00:53:14.460 being indoctrinated into?

00:53:17.580 Let's just say,

00:53:19.580 children in America

00:53:20.700 cannot read.

00:53:21.880 They often dodged

00:53:23.260 questions with talking points.

00:53:25.440 You're being evasive.

00:53:26.440 21% of Hispanic students

00:53:28.320 are reading on grade level.

00:53:29.300 You're being evasive.

00:53:29.840 What ideology?

00:53:30.560 What ideology are the children

00:53:31.920 being indoctrinated into?

00:53:33.840 What is your fear?

00:53:35.240 I think parents' fears

00:53:36.740 are realized.

00:53:38.060 They're looking at these books

00:53:39.480 where sexual discussions

00:53:41.020 are happening with their children

00:53:42.280 at younger and younger age.

00:53:44.020 Okay, stop it.

00:53:46.240 That's exactly where she needed

00:53:47.460 to answer the question again.

00:53:48.840 She didn't answer.

00:53:50.120 She looked evasive

00:53:51.080 because she actually

00:53:51.880 didn't answer there.

00:53:52.960 And I know she can.

00:53:54.340 She's living this.

00:53:55.580 He's,

00:53:55.840 what ideology are they

00:53:56.880 being indoctrinated into?

00:53:58.000 Let's just say

00:53:59.000 children in America

00:53:59.680 cannot read.

00:54:00.880 Often they dodged questions.

00:54:02.180 You're being evasive.

00:54:03.620 And her answer

00:54:05.400 was far too generic.

00:54:07.720 You want to know

00:54:08.700 what ideology

00:54:10.040 they're being indoctrinated into?

00:54:12.500 They are being indoctrinated

00:54:13.860 into race essentialism

00:54:15.440 where they believe

00:54:16.420 you have a different power structure

00:54:17.800 or different deficits

00:54:19.060 heaped on you at birth

00:54:21.780 based on skin color

00:54:23.300 and sins of the past

00:54:24.400 with which you have

00:54:25.280 nothing to do.

00:54:26.540 They are being taught

00:54:27.280 gender ideology

00:54:28.320 that allows them

00:54:29.440 to choose their sex

00:54:30.580 like it's a menu

00:54:31.680 at a Chinese restaurant

00:54:32.940 from the single digits.

00:54:35.320 They are being sexualized

00:54:37.260 when they are in elementary school,

00:54:39.640 which is severely damaging

00:54:42.020 to their mental health

00:54:42.880 and primes them

00:54:44.400 for victimhood

00:54:45.600 and exploitation by grownups.

00:54:47.860 Some could call it woke.

00:54:49.660 Some could call it diversity,

00:54:51.140 equity, and inclusion,

00:54:52.120 which eventually Scott

00:54:52.900 got around to mentioning

00:54:53.820 without the equity

00:54:54.560 because he took out

00:54:55.460 the most controversial part.

00:54:57.280 But it's very easy

00:54:58.640 to explain

00:54:59.200 what these teachers are doing.

00:55:00.240 We've all been living it

00:55:01.220 for years now.

00:55:02.900 These two women

00:55:03.400 know it better than anybody.

00:55:04.520 In the longer interview

00:55:05.420 of the transcript,

00:55:06.540 we've gotten pieces

00:55:07.320 from Moms for Liberty online

00:55:08.640 and they did mention the gender.

00:55:11.120 But you've got,

00:55:11.820 that's what I,

00:55:12.180 you've got to mention it each time.

00:55:13.860 You can't generic,

00:55:15.720 let's just say children

00:55:17.220 in America cannot read.

00:55:18.380 No, Tina,

00:55:19.060 that's not the answer.

00:55:20.180 My answer is the answer.

00:55:22.280 Tell Americans

00:55:23.160 what they're doing.

00:55:24.520 Now, behind the scenes,

00:55:26.440 apparently they did give

00:55:27.360 Scott Pelley the books,

00:55:28.260 you guys, right?

00:55:29.640 Because this whole segment

00:55:30.420 on CBS News

00:55:31.160 was about book banning,

00:55:32.580 which is the wrong subject.

00:55:34.200 That's not the right subject.

00:55:35.620 The subject is,

00:55:36.500 is what they're doing

00:55:37.880 to our minor children

00:55:39.180 when we are not with them

00:55:40.640 at the schools we pay for,

00:55:42.600 either with our tax dollars

00:55:43.720 or with our tuition dollars.

00:55:44.940 That's the subject.

00:55:46.240 Why do they want to talk

00:55:47.260 about blowjobs

00:55:48.060 with my minor child

00:55:49.400 without me there,

00:55:50.560 Scott?

00:55:51.660 Why don't you do a story

00:55:52.800 on that?

00:55:54.120 He's not interested in that.

00:55:56.020 He wants to talk

00:55:56.500 about the book bans,

00:55:57.460 the evil book bans

00:55:58.300 of books like,

00:56:00.320 here's one that we've talked

00:56:01.360 about, genderqueer.

00:56:02.200 That's one.

00:56:03.920 Just so people,

00:56:05.120 just for a refresher.

00:56:07.160 And then All Boys Aren't Blue.

00:56:09.100 I'm looking at All Boys

00:56:10.060 Aren't Blue right now.

00:56:10.620 I'm sorry.

00:56:11.140 Can you see this?

00:56:12.380 It's a penis.

00:56:13.300 It's a penis that's being

00:56:14.580 massaged at the end

00:56:16.800 with things to try.

00:56:18.340 And then another one

00:56:19.660 talking about ejaculation.

00:56:21.900 I'll read from you.

00:56:22.800 This is one of the books

00:56:23.400 that got banned

00:56:24.060 that CBS is apparently

00:56:25.080 so upset about.

00:56:27.060 It's an excerpt.

00:56:28.740 You told me to take off

00:56:29.420 my pajama pants,

00:56:30.240 which I did.

00:56:31.080 You then took off

00:56:31.620 your shorts.

00:56:32.420 This is two boys

00:56:33.160 followed by your boxers.

00:56:35.100 There you stood in front of me

00:56:35.940 fully erect and said,

00:56:36.920 taste it.

00:56:37.600 At first I laughed and refused,

00:56:38.960 but then you said,

00:56:39.580 come on, Matt, taste it.

00:56:40.560 This is what boys like us

00:56:41.600 do when we like each other.

00:56:42.880 I finally listened

00:56:43.740 and on it goes.

00:56:45.280 Yeah, we don't want that

00:56:46.460 in our schools.

00:56:47.780 You're right.

00:56:48.420 I don't want it in my high school.

00:56:49.960 I certainly don't want it

00:56:51.160 in my middle

00:56:51.460 or my elementary school.

00:56:52.920 Scott Pelley,

00:56:54.020 he was provided books like this.

00:56:55.680 He refused to put them

00:56:56.600 on the air.

00:56:57.280 Why?

00:56:57.700 Because they're too disgusting.

00:56:59.180 Because they probably could,

00:57:00.060 they'd get censored

00:57:00.600 by the FCC.

00:57:02.100 So he chose instead

00:57:03.860 to try to make

00:57:05.080 Moms for Liberty

00:57:06.060 look like a bunch

00:57:07.300 of extremists

00:57:08.660 who didn't have the facts

00:57:10.340 to back up their arguments

00:57:11.760 about a really serious issue.

00:57:13.700 Dave, I know you've got a son

00:57:16.360 and I know you love

00:57:18.280 Moms for Liberty like I do.

00:57:20.480 So what do you make

00:57:21.700 of the debacle

00:57:22.580 that happened last night

00:57:23.480 on 60?

00:57:25.020 Yeah, look,

00:57:25.740 I can't disagree, Megan,

00:57:27.280 with anything that you said,

00:57:28.700 but I will say even so,

00:57:30.800 I still think it's a net benefit

00:57:32.740 that 60 Minutes did that.

00:57:34.680 I think part of the evidence

00:57:36.280 for that is there are a lot

00:57:37.380 of people on the left today

00:57:38.500 who are upset

00:57:39.080 that Moms for Liberty

00:57:39.920 were platformed

00:57:40.700 on that show at all.

00:57:42.440 Tiffany Justice

00:57:42.960 and Tina Deskovich,

00:57:43.980 they're very smart women.

00:57:45.160 They knew what they were

00:57:46.700 walking into.

00:57:47.580 There's a reason

00:57:48.240 that Moms for Liberty

00:57:49.820 at their conference

00:57:50.620 had media training.

00:57:53.080 Look, that's the Lions, Dan.

00:57:54.760 I mean, you're right, right?

00:57:56.380 You have to keep repeating.

00:57:57.920 But we do this every day.

00:58:00.120 They've been around

00:58:00.600 for two and a half years.

00:58:02.780 Speaking of that

00:58:03.480 genderqueer book, though,

00:58:04.460 and this is why I say

00:58:05.280 it's still a net positive.

00:58:07.520 There was a moment

00:58:08.240 just after what you played

00:58:09.540 when Tiffany held that book up

00:58:12.160 and I think they blurred it, right?

00:58:14.220 And Pelley said,

00:58:15.760 well, that's a book

00:58:16.800 for upper schools

00:58:17.880 and on very rare occasions.

00:58:19.440 This is a paraphrase,

00:58:20.480 but on very rare occasions,

00:58:22.400 right, we see it

00:58:23.400 in lower school

00:58:23.880 and went on to say,

00:58:25.180 well, almost everyone

00:58:26.040 would say that

00:58:26.740 that shouldn't happen.

00:58:28.160 Whoa, time out.

00:58:29.860 Stop right there.

00:58:31.540 That is not

00:58:32.580 what almost everybody

00:58:33.740 has been saying, Scott.

00:58:35.540 Almost everybody

00:58:36.400 has been saying

00:58:37.080 that if you complain

00:58:37.920 about a picture

00:58:38.480 of a blowjob

00:58:39.280 in a lower school library,

00:58:42.020 you're a bigot

00:58:43.120 and you're a transphobe

00:58:44.240 and you're all

00:58:44.760 of these things.

00:58:45.960 So for that one moment,

00:58:48.620 right,

00:58:49.060 when he's defending the book

00:58:50.300 that his own network

00:58:51.240 can't even show

00:58:52.340 and when he's saying,

00:58:54.080 oh, come on,

00:58:55.460 11-year-olds

00:58:56.220 are only being showed

00:58:57.060 pictures of blowjobs

00:58:58.140 every once in a while,

00:58:59.140 I think there are

00:58:59.980 a lot of Americans

00:59:00.760 who are smart enough

00:59:01.640 to look at that

00:59:02.220 and say,

00:59:02.560 what the fuck

00:59:03.260 are you talking about?

00:59:04.900 Mm-hmm.

00:59:05.800 Do we have the rest

00:59:06.680 of that soundbite?

00:59:07.120 I don't know

00:59:08.440 how much of it

00:59:08.880 we have cut,

00:59:09.340 but let's watch

00:59:09.940 the rest

00:59:10.560 of that soundbite.

00:59:12.580 Tiffany Justice

00:59:13.460 read from sexually

00:59:14.900 explicit books

00:59:16.240 written for older teens

00:59:18.060 but found

00:59:19.340 in a few lower schools.

00:59:21.560 Most people

00:59:22.220 wouldn't want them

00:59:23.060 in a lower school,

00:59:24.580 but in a tactic

00:59:25.740 of outrage politics,

00:59:28.020 Moms for Liberty

00:59:28.960 takes a kernel of truth

00:59:30.940 and concludes

00:59:32.160 these examples

00:59:33.180 are not rare mistakes,

00:59:35.060 but a plot

00:59:36.440 to sexualize children.

00:59:39.220 Oh, my God.

00:59:40.320 That is so dishonest.

00:59:41.620 These are not mistakes.

00:59:42.860 These are not mistakes, Dave.

00:59:44.680 I just, here's just,

00:59:46.140 we just pulled a couple

00:59:46.840 from Libs for TikTok,

00:59:48.020 which we love,

00:59:49.000 on the number of places

00:59:50.760 where you can find

00:59:51.440 these books.

00:59:52.320 Cherry Creek Schools

00:59:53.020 in Greenwood Village, Colorado,

00:59:54.480 Fort Worth Independent

00:59:55.080 School District,

00:59:55.980 Maines-Windom Middle School,

00:59:57.260 Middle School

00:59:57.600 and Kimberly Area

00:59:58.340 School District

00:59:58.840 in Wisconsin,

00:59:59.760 Denton, Texas,

01:00:00.660 Los Angeles, California,

01:00:01.980 Illinois Middle School,

01:00:03.060 Tulsa Public Schools,

01:00:03.800 I Could Keep Going,

01:00:04.620 Scott.

01:00:05.780 How many is a few?

01:00:07.060 That's just what we found

01:00:07.880 in two minutes

01:00:09.240 of Googling this morning.

01:00:10.400 We're not 60 minutes.

01:00:12.900 Yeah, and much like

01:00:14.640 illegal immigrants

01:00:15.780 killing Americans,

01:00:17.080 one is too many.

01:00:18.680 I mean,

01:00:19.260 these things being shown

01:00:20.540 to 9, 10, 11-year-olds,

01:00:22.960 one instance of that,

01:00:24.980 I mean,

01:00:25.740 if somebody showed that

01:00:28.180 to my kids,

01:00:29.340 I mean,

01:00:30.580 I'd want them in jail.

01:00:32.660 Yes.

01:00:33.160 And I don't,

01:00:34.000 I mean,

01:00:34.280 that didn't used

01:00:34.820 to be controversial,

01:00:35.860 right?

01:00:37.120 Right,

01:00:37.680 right,

01:00:38.320 exactly.

01:00:39.580 That's the thing,

01:00:40.560 Stu,

01:00:40.860 is it's creepy.

01:00:42.900 It's creepy

01:00:43.620 that these schools

01:00:44.380 want this overly

01:00:46.260 sexualized material

01:00:47.380 in front of our kids

01:00:48.240 and he completely

01:00:50.260 ignores his,

01:00:51.440 what ideologies

01:00:52.220 do you object to?

01:00:53.740 Well,

01:00:54.420 I mean,

01:00:54.780 let me see if I can find it.

01:00:55.940 I've done this before.

01:00:57.180 The audience is aware

01:00:58.360 of this story,

01:00:59.220 but we pulled our students,

01:01:00.700 I mean,

01:01:01.080 our children,

01:01:01.940 from their schools

01:01:02.820 in New York City,

01:01:03.360 as you guys know,

01:01:04.200 our eldest who was

01:01:05.100 in fourth grade,

01:01:07.420 was,

01:01:07.860 that school was

01:01:08.840 literally circulating

01:01:10.740 a, quote,

01:01:11.400 scholarly article

01:01:12.320 that they wanted

01:01:12.860 to be mandatory

01:01:13.780 reading for all faculty,

01:01:16.000 accusing white mothers

01:01:17.600 of indoctrinating

01:01:19.140 their children

01:01:19.900 in black death.

01:01:22.460 Scott,

01:01:23.320 you're in New York,

01:01:24.660 you dumbass.

01:01:25.980 Do a Google search.

01:01:27.500 Try reading

01:01:28.080 the New York Post

01:01:28.880 instead of just

01:01:29.840 the New York Times.

01:01:30.900 You might expand

01:01:31.680 your horizons.

01:01:32.840 It's happening.

01:01:34.120 It's happening with race.

01:01:35.480 It's happening with gender

01:01:36.360 and it's happening

01:01:37.140 with inappropriate

01:01:37.920 sexual content.

01:01:39.400 All you must do

01:01:40.100 is open your eyes

01:01:40.900 and your ears.

01:01:42.180 Get out of your stupid,

01:01:43.860 myopic media circles

01:01:45.200 for once

01:01:46.100 and think about

01:01:46.920 somebody else's children.

01:01:48.760 This is what's

01:01:49.240 so frustrating, Stu.

01:01:50.340 This is why I was

01:01:51.320 disappointed in this segment.

01:01:52.320 I know that they

01:01:52.940 manipulated moms for liberty.

01:01:54.160 I know they weren't

01:01:54.760 fair to them,

01:01:55.220 but this is why you need

01:01:56.640 fucking have me on,

01:01:57.980 Scott Pelley.

01:01:58.420 I dare you.

01:01:59.600 Put me on.

01:02:00.440 I will go on CBS News

01:02:01.660 and you and I

01:02:02.540 can have it out

01:02:03.140 one-on-one

01:02:04.240 or you come on my show

01:02:05.380 wherever you want to do it

01:02:06.600 and we'll have a little redo

01:02:07.740 and we'll do it live

01:02:09.000 so you can't cut me up.

01:02:10.320 But even if you do cut me up,

01:02:11.580 I'm ready for you

01:02:12.340 because you will hear this shit

01:02:13.520 in every answer I will give.

01:02:15.480 And why is that?

01:02:16.480 Because I have three children

01:02:17.960 who are 14, 12, and 10.

01:02:19.880 I've lived this.

01:02:21.400 Okay.

01:02:22.340 I'm hot again.

01:02:23.600 Is it my advanced age, Stu?

01:02:25.600 I'm not a doctor, Megan.

01:02:28.560 I can't diagnose this over Zoom.

01:02:30.860 You want one of these cigarettes, Stu?

01:02:32.260 That was pretty good stuff.

01:02:34.720 Oh, I mean, I love the Super Bowl,

01:02:38.840 but if I can see you

01:02:39.820 and Scott Pelley together

01:02:40.840 talking about this,

01:02:41.780 I would tune into that instead.

01:02:44.220 That this segment must happen.

01:02:46.380 Please make it happen.

01:02:48.100 You know, and I think, Megan,

01:02:48.920 like, I know, you know,

01:02:49.760 I used to, I was born in New York.

01:02:51.560 I, you know,

01:02:52.540 I lived in the Northeast

01:02:53.500 most of my life.

01:02:54.840 And part of the reason

01:02:55.960 I now live in Texas

01:02:57.100 is because I don't want

01:02:59.460 what happened to your kids

01:03:00.740 to happen to my kids.

01:03:02.200 I don't want any of it.

01:03:03.200 But like, I think a lot of people

01:03:04.960 rest on that

01:03:06.420 and think to themselves,

01:03:07.440 well, look, I don't live in New York.

01:03:08.560 I don't live in Berkeley.

01:03:09.740 But you just read that list.

01:03:11.000 I'm sitting here

01:03:11.740 in bright red Texas right now.

01:03:14.180 And two of the districts

01:03:15.160 you talked about

01:03:15.820 surround the place I live in.

01:03:19.080 Denton and Fort Worth

01:03:19.960 are on opposite sides.

01:03:21.300 Basically, I'm basically

01:03:22.360 right in between

01:03:22.980 those two areas.

01:03:24.560 This is crazy.

01:03:26.180 And it's happening

01:03:26.820 all over the country.

01:03:28.400 And it does indoctrinate people

01:03:31.040 into a left wing,

01:03:33.420 sexual, racial,

01:03:35.120 and so many different categories.

01:03:37.860 An ideology that is

01:03:39.320 a hardcore left wing thing.

01:03:40.700 And it's important

01:03:41.300 that you get people young

01:03:43.040 to believe these things

01:03:44.340 when they're young.

01:03:46.060 That doesn't mean

01:03:46.880 all of them are going

01:03:47.660 to turn into people

01:03:49.400 who are trans or,

01:03:51.460 you know,

01:03:51.740 like they use the word

01:03:52.440 groomer throughout that.

01:03:53.520 And obviously,

01:03:53.880 that has multiple meanings

01:03:55.040 at this point

01:03:55.900 in our culture.

01:03:57.440 But like,

01:03:58.300 look at the statistics.

01:03:59.940 I don't know.

01:04:00.520 Did everyone,

01:04:01.180 like,

01:04:01.360 is there something

01:04:01.960 genetic happening

01:04:03.000 where people are becoming

01:04:04.020 trans at the rate

01:04:05.140 of eight times,

01:04:06.180 you know,

01:04:06.500 per year?

01:04:07.180 Is it really true

01:04:08.360 that, you know,

01:04:08.880 40% of younger people

01:04:10.820 are seeing themselves

01:04:12.220 in the LGBTQQIA2

01:04:14.320 plus part of that community?

01:04:15.860 I mean,

01:04:16.440 it doesn't seem rational

01:04:17.920 by any mention of science.

01:04:19.900 This is because

01:04:20.580 of an ideology.

01:04:22.140 And the other thing

01:04:23.820 that's crazy about this

01:04:24.660 is you mentioned

01:04:25.120 the Libs of TikTok creator

01:04:26.460 who was on with Taylor Lorenz

01:04:28.600 a couple of weeks ago.

01:04:29.880 And they were talking

01:04:31.040 and it's like,

01:04:31.740 you see the reaction

01:04:32.920 of Taylor Lorenz

01:04:33.620 when she shows her

01:04:34.720 the same exact book.

01:04:36.540 She's never even seen

01:04:37.480 this before.

01:04:38.600 Like,

01:04:39.000 how can you be talking

01:04:40.420 about these topics

01:04:41.400 without the basic knowledge

01:04:42.740 of what is going on?

01:04:44.160 Scott Pelley knows

01:04:44.920 his audience doesn't want

01:04:45.820 to look at these pictures.

01:04:47.520 Scott Pelley knows

01:04:48.280 that if people are scrolling

01:04:49.540 through their feed

01:04:50.040 and that picture pops up,

01:04:51.140 they'll likely mute

01:04:51.860 or block the person

01:04:52.760 who posted it

01:04:53.340 because they don't want

01:04:53.800 to see it.

01:04:54.620 So they turn their heads away

01:04:56.360 and Pelley is depending

01:04:58.440 on that ignorance

01:04:59.520 to win this moment

01:05:01.820 that he's having

01:05:02.960 with his ideology.

01:05:04.560 And that is despicable,

01:05:06.340 particularly when it involves

01:05:07.840 our kids.

01:05:09.300 Right on.

01:05:09.900 One of the books

01:05:10.520 that was saved

01:05:11.940 in this Buford,

01:05:13.520 South Carolina town,

01:05:14.880 the 97 that were

01:05:15.980 supposed to be banned

01:05:17.360 and then only five or six

01:05:18.440 ultimately got banned

01:05:19.420 after there was blowback

01:05:20.600 on the overbreath

01:05:22.120 of the original,

01:05:23.200 you know,

01:05:23.720 categories.

01:05:24.620 One that was not banned.

01:05:27.180 Let's talk about it

01:05:28.440 by Erica Moen

01:05:30.100 and Matthew Nolan.

01:05:32.260 Here's an excerpt.

01:05:34.880 Let's see.

01:05:35.540 I think that's the name

01:05:36.160 of this book.

01:05:36.600 I'm trying to,

01:05:37.040 it's either this book is gay

01:05:38.080 or let's talk about it.

01:05:39.080 Uh,

01:05:40.080 oral sex is popping

01:05:41.100 another dude's peen

01:05:42.220 into your mouth

01:05:43.020 or indeed popping yours

01:05:44.140 in his.

01:05:44.760 There's only one hard

01:05:45.700 and fast rule

01:05:46.220 when it comes to blowjobs

01:05:47.280 and then they go on

01:05:48.300 to list what the rules are.

01:05:49.200 I mean,

01:05:50.580 my,

01:05:50.960 my child is in eighth grade

01:05:54.440 right now

01:05:55.180 and he is learning

01:05:56.140 something in science.

01:05:57.400 I can't even understand

01:05:58.440 the numbers of X's

01:05:59.660 and Y's

01:06:00.300 and calculations

01:06:01.520 he's doing

01:06:02.340 and the periodic table

01:06:03.280 of the elements

01:06:03.940 and neither he

01:06:06.120 nor any of his classmates

01:06:07.300 needs to be

01:06:08.400 exposed

01:06:09.420 to this filth.

01:06:11.300 This is filthy.

01:06:12.560 You can learn

01:06:13.300 about this

01:06:13.920 the way we all did

01:06:14.840 in the 1970s

01:06:15.740 by buying the book

01:06:16.680 forever.

01:06:17.680 You do not

01:06:18.820 need to get it

01:06:19.860 from your school,

01:06:21.760 from your school

01:06:22.900 and you certainly

01:06:23.500 don't need it

01:06:24.100 at the tender ages

01:06:25.880 in middle school

01:06:26.800 and elementary.

01:06:28.020 Now let's go on

01:06:28.900 because

01:06:29.280 there's a couple points.

01:06:31.860 First,

01:06:32.920 he,

01:06:33.240 he seems,

01:06:34.220 you saw the eyebrows,

01:06:35.060 right?

01:06:35.320 Did you guys see

01:06:35.720 the eyebrows?

01:06:37.400 Right?

01:06:37.860 His doubtful eyebrows.

01:06:39.520 Rogue teachers

01:06:40.400 as if there are

01:06:41.040 no rogue teachers

01:06:42.300 out there

01:06:42.860 who force ideology

01:06:44.660 on kids.

01:06:45.820 I'm just going to

01:06:46.520 show you a couple.

01:06:47.300 Here's just a few

01:06:48.340 that we grabbed.

01:06:49.300 Watch.

01:06:49.520 If you're a teacher

01:06:53.400 and you consider

01:06:54.140 yourself to be

01:06:54.780 an ally to queer

01:06:55.520 students,

01:06:56.080 I'm sure you already

01:06:56.820 know to ask them

01:06:57.640 their preferred name

01:06:58.420 and their preferred

01:06:59.080 pronouns,

01:06:59.960 but don't overlook

01:07:00.700 the importance

01:07:01.280 of asking them

01:07:02.040 who you can use

01:07:03.460 these pronouns

01:07:04.040 and this name

01:07:04.560 in front of.

01:07:04.980 More parts

01:07:05.640 of my middle

01:07:06.160 school classroom.

01:07:07.380 Probably my most

01:07:08.200 popular flag

01:07:09.040 is my progress

01:07:09.760 pride flag.

01:07:10.660 I get a lot

01:07:11.420 of comments on this.

01:07:12.740 One of the kids

01:07:13.840 referred to me

01:07:15.000 as a girl

01:07:15.860 and one of my kids

01:07:18.400 was like,

01:07:19.900 Jamie doesn't

01:07:20.300 have a gender.

01:07:21.740 Jamie's not a girl.

01:07:24.620 She like even like

01:07:25.780 said the pronouns

01:07:26.940 to him.

01:07:28.700 She's eight.

01:07:30.040 Well, peanut

01:07:30.440 goes for the gold

01:07:31.140 and Jonathan Van Ness

01:07:32.700 is the author.

01:07:33.680 The story's about

01:07:34.180 a non-binary gerbil

01:07:35.400 who wants to be

01:07:36.040 a rhythmic gymnast.

01:07:36.880 And it refers to

01:07:37.720 peanut as they

01:07:38.720 or they're in the story

01:07:40.160 because they're

01:07:41.320 non-binary.

01:07:42.220 One of my students

01:07:43.280 just came out to me.

01:07:45.320 Hey, if your parents

01:07:46.380 don't love and accept

01:07:47.220 you for who you are

01:07:48.000 this Christmas,

01:07:49.080 fuck them.

01:07:49.800 I'm your parents now.

01:07:50.980 I'm proud of you.

01:07:51.960 Drink some water.

01:07:52.900 I love you.

01:07:54.880 That last guy

01:07:55.620 was a teacher

01:07:56.100 in Oklahoma

01:07:56.640 who then got booted

01:07:57.540 after he posted

01:07:58.200 that on TikTok

01:07:58.820 and now he found

01:07:59.400 a job 11 miles

01:08:00.740 down the road

01:08:01.260 still teaching.

01:08:02.480 Okay, so those

01:08:03.180 are just a few.

01:08:03.800 That's a handful.

01:08:04.500 Again, Libs of TikTok

01:08:05.220 doing a great job.

01:08:06.980 Ask your children,

01:08:08.220 ask the children

01:08:08.820 what their pronouns are.

01:08:10.040 Totally straight

01:08:11.300 and non-gender

01:08:12.180 confused children.

01:08:13.100 Ask them what

01:08:13.440 their pronouns are

01:08:14.160 and if you should

01:08:15.040 stay a secret

01:08:15.820 from their parents.

01:08:17.200 That's what she's saying

01:08:18.200 when she's saying

01:08:18.740 whether you can say it

01:08:19.660 in front of whom.

01:08:21.080 Then an eight-year-old

01:08:22.480 understanding

01:08:23.580 I have no gender.

01:08:25.360 That's not a thing.

01:08:26.220 You lied to that gender

01:08:27.180 to that eight-year-old

01:08:28.180 and you confused him.

01:08:30.280 A non-binary gerbil.

01:08:32.160 You're disgusting,

01:08:33.200 Jonathan Van Ness.

01:08:34.060 That shit does not belong

01:08:35.160 in front of young children.

01:08:37.140 And then the guy

01:08:37.620 from Oklahoma.

01:08:38.320 Fuck your parents.

01:08:38.900 No, fuck you, sir.

01:08:40.360 Fuck you.

01:08:41.160 You should be fired.

01:08:42.180 You should stay fired

01:08:43.020 and you will never

01:08:43.960 teach my children.

01:08:44.720 And I venture to say

01:08:45.460 the children of anybody

01:08:46.220 listening to this show

01:08:47.180 because they understand

01:08:48.360 what you're doing.

01:08:49.100 I found the thing.

01:08:50.560 This is at our old school

01:08:51.520 in New York

01:08:51.960 on the ideologies

01:08:53.940 being forced on our children.

01:08:55.320 This is just my notes

01:08:56.120 from that piece

01:08:57.360 arguing there's,

01:08:58.680 quote,

01:08:58.760 a direct connection

01:08:59.660 between the schools

01:09:00.760 where white children sit

01:09:01.900 and the street corners

01:09:02.820 where they choke out

01:09:03.780 black life.

01:09:05.080 That quote,

01:09:06.280 white kids are being

01:09:07.100 indoctrinated in black death

01:09:08.640 and protected

01:09:09.660 from the consequences.

01:09:10.660 That quote,

01:09:11.280 there is a killer cop

01:09:13.160 sitting in every school

01:09:15.080 where white children learn.

01:09:18.200 That's the shit

01:09:19.120 we don't want

01:09:20.040 forced on our children,

01:09:21.920 Scott,

01:09:22.840 whether it's from

01:09:23.440 a teacher's mouth

01:09:24.360 or from a book

01:09:25.620 in the school library.

01:09:27.840 And if you haven't

01:09:29.280 been made aware of this,

01:09:30.560 you need to start

01:09:31.340 paying better attention

01:09:32.300 because this is

01:09:33.400 very pernicious material

01:09:34.640 that could actually

01:09:35.700 really hurt a child

01:09:36.560 and future race relations,

01:09:38.240 future mental health

01:09:39.000 of children.

01:09:39.420 And let's get

01:09:40.900 to the grooming question

01:09:41.860 because that's another

01:09:42.880 huge one, you guys.

01:09:44.420 He asked them

01:09:45.340 about their allegation

01:09:47.920 that some of these teachers

01:09:48.780 seem like groomers.

01:09:51.080 Tiffany Justice

01:09:51.560 had a tweet

01:09:52.260 that suggested that

01:09:53.360 in response to this librarian

01:09:54.620 who wanted all these books

01:09:56.300 available to the kids.

01:09:58.140 Watch that exchange.

01:09:59.500 Here it is.

01:10:00.420 Tiffany and I served on...

01:10:01.340 We wanted to know

01:10:02.160 about the messages

01:10:03.080 on Mom's X account,

01:10:05.360 which adopts

01:10:06.500 the extremist smear

01:10:07.880 with,

01:10:08.680 if they don't like

01:10:10.140 being called groomers,

01:10:11.900 they should stop

01:10:12.700 trying to groom our kids.

01:10:14.920 What are you trying to say?

01:10:16.600 Well, I'm going to say

01:10:18.280 that if we'd have

01:10:19.720 to see the exact tweet,

01:10:20.840 Tiffany manages

01:10:21.520 our Twitter account.

01:10:22.960 So we read more exact tweets

01:10:24.960 from their account.

01:10:26.620 This targets a librarian.

01:10:28.960 You want to groom

01:10:29.880 our children

01:10:30.540 and we're supposed

01:10:31.380 to give you love?

01:10:33.160 Again, Justice Sanduskovich

01:10:35.340 went to their talking points.

01:10:37.080 I'm just asking,

01:10:38.140 what do you mean by that?

01:10:39.140 What do you mean by grooming?

01:10:40.280 Parents want to partner

01:10:42.080 with their children's schools,

01:10:43.240 but we do not co-parent

01:10:44.500 with the government.

01:10:45.660 Grooming does not seem

01:10:47.020 like a word

01:10:47.660 that you want to take on.

01:10:51.240 You know,

01:10:51.920 we did some polling

01:10:52.940 and we asked,

01:10:54.600 we really wanted to know,

01:10:55.820 where are the American people

01:10:56.940 on this issue

01:10:57.800 of parental rights

01:10:59.680 and what's happening

01:11:00.420 in our schools?

01:11:01.500 Dodging questions

01:11:02.540 like those

01:11:03.300 was not an option.

01:11:04.660 back in Buford,

01:11:06.040 South Carolina.

01:11:07.560 Critics of the book ban

01:11:08.820 said they knew

01:11:09.940 what groomer meant

01:11:11.100 and they saw it

01:11:12.500 as a threat

01:11:13.160 to people of color

01:11:14.720 and the LGBTQ community.

01:11:18.960 I'm sorry.

01:11:20.020 He has a point.

01:11:22.220 She sounded like

01:11:22.880 she was dodging

01:11:23.660 and like she didn't want

01:11:24.580 to discuss the issue

01:11:25.420 of groomers

01:11:26.060 and I know she can do it

01:11:27.720 and I know she's done it.

01:11:30.440 I don't know why

01:11:31.120 she didn't do it

01:11:31.800 right there

01:11:32.300 because let's talk

01:11:33.460 about groomers

01:11:34.220 that what that

01:11:35.540 that the traditional

01:11:36.820 definition of a groomer

01:11:38.640 pulled it up

01:11:39.640 is the action

01:11:40.960 of attempting

01:11:42.180 to form a relationship

01:11:43.020 with a young child

01:11:43.860 or young person

01:11:44.660 with the intention

01:11:45.740 of sexually assaulting them.

01:11:48.220 The suggestion

01:11:49.200 the use of that word groomer

01:11:50.500 in today's vernacular

01:11:51.520 online and elsewhere

01:11:52.560 is not that all these teachers

01:11:54.040 want to sexually assault

01:11:54.820 our children.

01:11:55.660 It's that you're priming them

01:11:57.640 to be victimized

01:11:59.360 by someone.

01:12:00.520 You are priming them

01:12:02.240 to be victimized

01:12:03.420 by someone

01:12:04.320 in the same way

01:12:05.420 a groomer would.

01:12:06.620 You don't have to be

01:12:07.340 the assaulter.

01:12:08.320 This is from

01:12:09.000 Internet Safety 101.

01:12:11.600 The groomer may use

01:12:12.460 sexually explicit

01:12:13.360 conversations

01:12:14.220 to test boundaries

01:12:15.620 and exploit a child's

01:12:17.720 natural curiosity

01:12:19.060 about sex.

01:12:20.820 Quote,

01:12:21.580 predators often use

01:12:23.060 pornography

01:12:23.720 and child pornography

01:12:25.080 to lower a child's

01:12:27.340 inhibitions.

01:12:28.880 Here's from Rain,

01:12:29.580 which is the organization

01:12:30.900 fighting against

01:12:31.500 sexual assault.

01:12:32.540 Abusers,

01:12:33.300 groomers,

01:12:34.260 may show the victim

01:12:35.420 pornography

01:12:36.240 or discuss

01:12:37.520 sexual topics

01:12:38.640 with them

01:12:39.140 to introduce

01:12:40.120 the idea

01:12:41.040 of sexual content.

01:12:43.680 Grooming,

01:12:44.340 they go on,

01:12:44.960 is usually employed

01:12:45.880 by a person

01:12:46.540 in the victim's

01:12:47.460 circle of trust

01:12:48.360 such as a teacher.

01:12:51.300 And guys,

01:12:52.480 we did a long show

01:12:54.260 on Jared

01:12:56.040 from Subway.

01:12:57.340 There was an amazing

01:12:58.260 documentary about

01:12:59.260 his disgusting behavior.

01:13:01.620 A prolific

01:13:02.420 child sexual

01:13:03.660 pornography addict

01:13:05.040 and alleged

01:13:06.180 child sexual

01:13:07.520 abuser.

01:13:08.720 And a woman

01:13:09.800 we had on the show

01:13:10.660 did a sting operation

01:13:12.220 with him that went

01:13:12.860 years.

01:13:13.220 She was a radio host

01:13:14.300 who met him

01:13:14.660 on a radio show.

01:13:16.140 She pretended she was

01:13:17.020 into his disgusting

01:13:18.100 talk,

01:13:18.940 all the while taping

01:13:19.860 him,

01:13:20.120 ultimately for the FBI.

01:13:21.740 So forgive the woman

01:13:22.480 on the receiving end

01:13:23.220 of this conversation

01:13:23.900 because she is not

01:13:24.580 on board with any

01:13:25.660 of this.

01:13:26.140 She's working

01:13:26.600 with the feds.

01:13:28.280 Listen to him

01:13:28.900 talk about how

01:13:30.240 he softens up

01:13:33.020 a child

01:13:33.500 before he intends

01:13:35.300 to assault them.

01:13:37.340 What kind of cute

01:13:37.980 friends do your kids

01:13:38.660 have?

01:13:39.520 Oh, they have

01:13:40.260 very cute friends.

01:13:41.220 They know everything

01:13:42.100 about sex.

01:13:43.180 It's all they ever

01:13:43.760 talk about in school.

01:13:46.040 What I need you to do

01:13:46.880 is to start talking

01:13:47.700 about that kind of

01:13:48.320 stuff in front of them.

01:13:49.640 You know,

01:13:49.920 you would just say,

01:13:50.480 oh,

01:13:50.680 don't tell Jared

01:13:51.240 what you're going

01:13:51.620 to talk about in school.

01:13:54.820 That's what we mean

01:13:55.600 by grooming,

01:13:56.960 Scott Pelley.

01:13:58.080 And it's deadly serious

01:13:59.400 and shame on you

01:14:00.540 for not doing

01:14:01.500 your own homework,

01:14:02.320 Stu.

01:14:03.780 Yeah,

01:14:04.300 I mean,

01:14:04.880 look,

01:14:05.500 you're right,

01:14:06.560 obviously,

01:14:07.420 that when it comes

01:14:08.720 to grooming

01:14:09.300 in the traditional sense,

01:14:10.520 it's not necessarily

01:14:11.320 the same as Jared.

01:14:12.620 But the strategies

01:14:13.400 are the same.

01:14:14.140 You can groom

01:14:14.600 someone into anything.

01:14:15.760 You can groom

01:14:16.060 someone into an ideology.

01:14:17.480 And we kind of

01:14:18.060 summarize that as

01:14:18.680 the woke ideology,

01:14:19.680 wokeism,

01:14:20.360 that idea

01:14:20.960 that has CRT

01:14:22.920 and DEI

01:14:23.960 and ESG

01:14:24.680 and all these,

01:14:25.280 you know,

01:14:25.640 acronyms in them.

01:14:27.080 But you're sort of

01:14:28.420 softening the ground

01:14:29.460 for a belief system

01:14:30.960 in this case.

01:14:31.880 It's an intellectual grooming.

01:14:33.560 I mean,

01:14:33.740 I am the proud father

01:14:35.280 of two children

01:14:36.060 that I raised

01:14:36.720 in Dallas, Texas,

01:14:37.780 and both of them

01:14:39.020 are Philadelphia Eagles fans.

01:14:40.740 There's a reason for that.

01:14:42.100 I have groomed them

01:14:43.060 into becoming

01:14:43.920 Philadelphia Eagles fans.

01:14:45.680 Because you're a good man.

01:14:47.340 Thank you, Dave.

01:14:48.400 I knew Dave would

01:14:48.880 at least agree with me on this.

01:14:49.680 Doug is doing that

01:14:50.060 to our children right now

01:14:51.340 and I'm fighting him

01:14:52.220 every step of the way

01:14:52.860 because we like the Giants

01:14:53.580 and my side of the family.

01:14:55.240 Well, obviously,

01:14:56.080 you're wrong on that,

01:14:56.740 but that's a totally

01:14:57.480 different story, Megan.

01:14:59.060 But it is one of those things

01:14:59.980 where like you,

01:15:00.860 as a parent,

01:15:01.720 you do this,

01:15:02.420 I mean,

01:15:02.700 you are trying to influence

01:15:04.520 your child young

01:15:05.520 so they believe the things

01:15:06.440 that you believe

01:15:07.020 are important.

01:15:08.260 The left wing

01:15:08.980 of this country right now

01:15:09.860 believes for whatever reason

01:15:11.560 this movement towards

01:15:13.580 crazy racial ideas

01:15:16.080 where skin color

01:15:17.060 is the most important thing,

01:15:18.520 crazy gender-based ideas

01:15:20.060 where you can switch

01:15:21.020 on a daily basis

01:15:23.000 depending on how you feel,

01:15:24.820 this idea that people

01:15:25.960 should be sexualized earlier,

01:15:28.040 that they should be thinking

01:15:28.960 about sex at ages

01:15:30.220 that none of us

01:15:31.440 even considered it.

01:15:32.840 They think that

01:15:33.520 that's appropriate.

01:15:34.340 They're grooming them

01:15:35.080 into that ideology

01:15:35.940 because at the end of that,

01:15:37.380 they turn into adults

01:15:38.480 with crazy ideas

01:15:40.400 and couldn't ever consider

01:15:41.920 voting for traditional

01:15:43.560 values in an election.

01:15:46.280 There are a hundred reasons

01:15:47.200 why they do it,

01:15:47.820 many of them darker

01:15:48.660 than what the electoral

01:15:49.580 output is.

01:15:50.860 And I think that the person

01:15:52.940 who knows this

01:15:53.600 obviously is Scott Pelley.

01:15:55.620 I mean,

01:15:55.860 I think you're right

01:15:56.600 when you're talking

01:15:57.320 about Moms for Liberty.

01:15:58.060 I had Tiffany on the show.

01:15:59.840 I thought she did

01:16:00.600 a really good job

01:16:01.240 on our show.

01:16:02.360 I thought it's a difficult thing

01:16:04.480 being manipulated

01:16:05.800 by CBS in 60 Minutes.

01:16:07.620 They're really good at this

01:16:08.580 and I know you're

01:16:09.580 the majority of your

01:16:10.700 outrages towards Scott Pelley

01:16:12.220 and it should be because

01:16:13.180 I love Tiffany

01:16:13.800 and I love Moms.

01:16:14.680 Yeah, she's great.

01:16:15.700 It is a really tough thing

01:16:17.300 to walk through those

01:16:17.960 those media firestorms

01:16:19.720 and they will do

01:16:20.460 everything they can

01:16:21.060 to trip you up.

01:16:22.720 But it's like

01:16:23.220 Scott knows this.

01:16:24.700 He knows this debate.

01:16:25.720 He can't be this blind.

01:16:27.740 He knows about

01:16:28.440 all of this stuff.

01:16:29.400 He's just looking

01:16:30.000 for his moment.

01:16:31.160 And when they go to her

01:16:32.220 on a couple of those occasions

01:16:33.760 and ask her

01:16:34.560 these questions

01:16:35.620 and then just immediately

01:16:36.800 after half a sentence

01:16:37.860 say that she's evading,

01:16:38.960 we don't even know

01:16:40.060 what point she was leading to.

01:16:41.600 She may have gotten

01:16:42.400 to that in 30 seconds.

01:16:44.480 To your point,

01:16:45.240 she has to know these rules.

01:16:46.320 She has to know

01:16:46.820 what Scott Pelley's up to.

01:16:48.300 But it's like

01:16:48.800 Pelley knows these debates.

01:16:50.780 He knows what grooming

01:16:51.920 means in this context.

01:16:53.300 He's just looking

01:16:54.240 for this moment

01:16:54.980 to win this weird war

01:16:57.360 instead of thinking about

01:16:58.720 what is actually

01:16:59.740 facing our kids.

01:17:01.180 Something that they've

01:17:01.980 never seen before

01:17:02.900 and something that

01:17:03.820 I feel like

01:17:04.700 I want to put them

01:17:06.080 in a bubble

01:17:06.600 to protect them against.

01:17:07.960 People are like,

01:17:09.660 oh, you got to get

01:17:10.100 out of your bubble.

01:17:10.780 No, I want to stay

01:17:11.900 in the bubble.

01:17:12.500 I move to the bubble

01:17:13.440 to get out of

01:17:14.560 whatever you have.

01:17:15.640 I want the bubble

01:17:16.260 to protect me

01:17:16.940 and if I can keep

01:17:17.800 these kids in the bubble

01:17:18.600 for as long as possible

01:17:20.180 until they have to leave,

01:17:21.880 the longer,

01:17:23.020 the better in my view.

01:17:24.580 Here's the thing, Dave.

01:17:26.120 You know as well as I do

01:17:27.640 that school's the last place,

01:17:30.160 number one,

01:17:30.480 you want your kid

01:17:30.960 getting groomed

01:17:31.580 to be open

01:17:32.120 to any sort of

01:17:32.740 sexual experience

01:17:33.480 with a grown-up

01:17:34.100 and those incidents

01:17:36.660 have happened

01:17:37.460 including in New York

01:17:38.520 where we both live.

01:17:40.040 There was a school up,

01:17:41.440 you know,

01:17:41.660 in the Hill Schools

01:17:43.720 as they're called

01:17:44.360 years ago

01:17:45.920 where it was rampant

01:17:47.200 and kids have come out,

01:17:48.440 there are adults now

01:17:49.140 talking about

01:17:49.720 the disgusting sexual abuse

01:17:51.040 that they suffered

01:17:51.680 at the hands of teachers

01:17:52.480 at this very Tony

01:17:53.640 New York City

01:17:54.200 private school

01:17:55.160 in Connecticut.

01:17:57.700 Last week,

01:17:59.080 last week,

01:18:00.320 a teacher was outed

01:18:01.580 as having been

01:18:03.260 an alleged serial

01:18:04.460 sexual abuser

01:18:05.780 of children.

01:18:07.480 Now,

01:18:07.680 how would you feel

01:18:08.180 if your kid

01:18:08.580 was at that school

01:18:09.340 and they had books

01:18:10.160 like Genderqueer

01:18:11.040 in there

01:18:11.420 and about

01:18:12.620 the boys not blue,

01:18:14.080 whatever it's called,

01:18:15.320 the books that I was

01:18:16.080 reading to you now?

01:18:17.340 I mean,

01:18:17.700 how do,

01:18:18.800 I'm sure that teacher

01:18:19.640 would love to see

01:18:20.540 that material

01:18:21.160 sitting in the

01:18:22.240 middle school library

01:18:23.020 so a little

01:18:24.100 sixth grader

01:18:24.920 who's,

01:18:25.880 you know,

01:18:26.020 11 or 12

01:18:27.440 can meander by,

01:18:28.960 you know,

01:18:29.620 land of stories

01:18:30.560 and land instead

01:18:32.080 on this thing

01:18:32.760 and then go spend

01:18:33.820 some after-school

01:18:34.660 private time

01:18:35.320 with the teacher.

01:18:36.100 That's the shit

01:18:36.900 that keeps us awake

01:18:38.200 at night

01:18:38.660 and it,

01:18:40.200 look,

01:18:40.540 it's gonna do that

01:18:41.180 no matter what

01:18:41.760 but it certainly doesn't,

01:18:43.400 they don't need help.

01:18:44.400 We don't need

01:18:44.940 sexualized material

01:18:46.200 like this

01:18:46.880 in school libraries.

01:18:49.920 If you want your kid

01:18:50.760 to read this book,

01:18:51.400 you can order it

01:18:52.260 on Amazon.

01:18:53.220 No one's talking

01:18:53.800 about a blanket ban.

01:18:56.440 We're talking about

01:18:57.020 in the school setting.

01:18:57.820 Yeah,

01:18:59.840 look,

01:19:00.060 I mean,

01:19:00.280 I think Scott Pelley's

01:19:01.500 response to teachers,

01:19:03.740 you know,

01:19:04.320 sexually assaulting

01:19:05.380 their students

01:19:06.560 would be,

01:19:07.080 it's rare,

01:19:08.280 right?

01:19:09.400 Don't worry about it,

01:19:10.400 right?

01:19:10.820 It's rare.

01:19:11.720 We don't have to talk

01:19:12.560 about it.

01:19:12.800 That seems to be

01:19:13.360 his attitude.

01:19:14.460 The books are not rare.

01:19:16.320 But whether they are

01:19:17.600 or not,

01:19:18.040 right?

01:19:18.260 My point is,

01:19:19.160 even if it's one person,

01:19:20.640 it is a moral outrage

01:19:21.800 and it's something

01:19:22.320 that has to be

01:19:23.460 taken care of.

01:19:24.680 And you're absolutely right.

01:19:27.140 Exposing minors

01:19:28.300 to this kind of material

01:19:29.720 absolutely does.

01:19:32.180 Huge favors

01:19:32.980 for adults

01:19:33.860 who would like

01:19:34.360 to take advantage

01:19:35.160 of them.

01:19:35.500 But,

01:19:35.960 you know,

01:19:36.160 you said something

01:19:36.940 that I thought

01:19:37.340 was fascinating

01:19:37.940 about the reason

01:19:40.280 that you took your kids

01:19:41.080 out of that school

01:19:41.800 and that,

01:19:42.620 you know,

01:19:43.120 the whole,

01:19:43.980 the paper about,

01:19:45.620 you know,

01:19:46.580 the white parents.

01:19:48.060 Black death.

01:19:48.880 Yes.

01:19:49.620 The key there,

01:19:50.640 Megan,

01:19:50.880 was parents,

01:19:51.860 right?

01:19:52.120 The key there

01:19:53.740 is all of these

01:19:54.580 teachers that you showed,

01:19:56.080 they think that you

01:19:57.540 and I and Stu

01:19:59.140 and all of the parents

01:20:00.600 out there

01:20:01.160 are these very

01:20:02.440 backwards bigots

01:20:03.980 who are really

01:20:05.360 doing enormous harm

01:20:06.700 to our kids

01:20:07.780 by not encouraging

01:20:09.660 them to explore

01:20:10.480 their gender identity

01:20:11.520 and not encouraging

01:20:12.520 them to explore

01:20:13.720 their sexual orientation

01:20:14.900 and isn't this

01:20:15.680 all wonderful?

01:20:17.200 And in the words,

01:20:18.160 their idea,

01:20:19.140 in the words of Hillary Clinton

01:20:20.380 is it takes a village.

01:20:22.460 So as Moms Probability

01:20:23.740 points out,

01:20:24.680 they don't want

01:20:25.440 to co-parent

01:20:26.040 with the government,

01:20:27.620 right?

01:20:27.920 The government

01:20:28.420 doesn't want

01:20:28.820 to co-parent

01:20:29.360 with them either.

01:20:30.300 The government

01:20:30.680 wants them

01:20:31.400 out of the picture

01:20:32.600 and that's terrifying.

01:20:35.040 I mean,

01:20:35.200 I can't imagine

01:20:36.320 anything

01:20:36.860 that's more terrifying

01:20:39.480 than the government

01:20:40.160 coming in

01:20:41.100 basically to your family

01:20:43.060 and saying,

01:20:44.580 we're going to provide

01:20:45.400 your children

01:20:46.640 with their values now.

01:20:48.080 And we've seen it

01:20:48.760 in the past.

01:20:49.320 We saw it

01:20:49.700 in the Cultural Revolution.

01:20:50.900 We saw it

01:20:51.200 in the Bolshevik

01:20:51.840 Revolution.

01:20:52.880 It's terrifying,

01:20:54.120 scary stuff.

01:20:55.980 And it's happening

01:20:56.400 right now

01:20:56.820 as we're trying

01:20:57.160 to take kids

01:20:57.620 away from parents

01:20:58.360 who won't affirm.

01:20:59.980 Yeah.

01:21:00.300 So not only that,

01:21:01.380 but the end of that piece

01:21:02.360 that I was quoting from,

01:21:04.140 they asked this question.

01:21:05.520 Again,

01:21:05.760 they wanted this

01:21:06.280 mandatory reading

01:21:06.920 for the faculty.

01:21:08.140 Where are the government

01:21:09.100 sponsored reports

01:21:10.260 looking into

01:21:11.220 how white mothers

01:21:12.340 are raising

01:21:13.380 culturally deprived

01:21:14.840 children

01:21:15.440 who think

01:21:16.280 black death

01:21:17.100 is okay?

01:21:17.720 Yeah,

01:21:19.640 that's it.

01:21:19.880 No,

01:21:20.000 that's the point,

01:21:20.620 right?

01:21:20.860 You're the problem.

01:21:22.440 You are the problem.

01:21:23.360 And to the extent

01:21:24.120 that they can excise you

01:21:25.860 from your child's life

01:21:27.740 and development,

01:21:28.540 that child

01:21:29.960 and the society

01:21:30.860 they argue

01:21:31.720 will be better off.

01:21:33.120 That's their position.

01:21:34.180 It couldn't be clearer.

01:21:35.040 And now you have

01:21:36.780 Pelly out there,

01:21:38.020 CBS News,

01:21:38.780 60 Minutes,

01:21:40.020 pretending like

01:21:40.880 filters

01:21:42.320 on what children

01:21:43.260 see at school age

01:21:44.260 are weird.

01:21:45.900 Meanwhile,

01:21:46.940 good luck

01:21:47.440 going down to

01:21:48.120 the middle school

01:21:49.240 computer

01:21:49.700 and googling

01:21:51.040 hot porn

01:21:51.960 for free.

01:21:53.080 That's not going to pop up.

01:21:54.900 That's not going to appear.

01:21:56.200 You know why?

01:21:56.700 Because there's

01:21:57.640 an agreed upon

01:21:58.240 set of filters

01:21:59.000 that we use

01:22:00.760 to prevent

01:22:01.500 children from

01:22:02.300 seeing material

01:22:03.660 that's inappropriate

01:22:04.360 or not age-appropriate.

01:22:07.020 And to pretend

01:22:07.900 that we shouldn't

01:22:08.320 have the same rule

01:22:09.020 for books

01:22:09.580 is to just be obtuse.

01:22:12.200 So we have that

01:22:13.300 and yet he wants

01:22:14.640 to dismiss

01:22:15.300 all the instances

01:22:16.580 of these books

01:22:17.380 appearing at the

01:22:18.060 lower school levels

01:22:18.900 and I agree

01:22:20.420 at the high school level

01:22:21.060 they shouldn't be

01:22:21.480 in there either.

01:22:22.540 I realize people

01:22:23.360 differ on that

01:22:24.000 as rare mistakes.

01:22:26.280 Rare.

01:22:27.000 But listen,

01:22:27.940 it's not rare

01:22:28.620 and we've been hearing

01:22:29.600 on our shows,

01:22:30.980 on you guys,

01:22:31.920 and I've been listening

01:22:32.440 to you, Dave,

01:22:33.020 and reading you

01:22:33.460 for years now,

01:22:34.360 about parents

01:22:35.300 all over the nation

01:22:36.040 who get a look

01:22:36.800 at these books

01:22:37.320 in their school library

01:22:38.760 and are horrified.

01:22:40.340 White, Black, Asian,

01:22:41.380 doesn't matter.

01:22:42.300 They've all come out

01:22:43.060 to these school board meetings

01:22:43.900 to say,

01:22:44.420 oh my God,

01:22:45.440 we put together,

01:22:46.160 again,

01:22:46.400 it's just what we collected

01:22:47.340 this morning

01:22:47.740 before the show

01:22:48.320 in like the half an hour

01:22:49.200 before we hit air.

01:22:50.180 Watch.

01:22:50.420 This book here,

01:22:52.520 it's called

01:22:53.040 It's Perfectly Normal.

01:22:55.120 I'll read some of this

01:22:56.220 for you.

01:22:56.780 It says,

01:22:57.360 after a bit,

01:22:58.260 a person's

01:22:58.840 becomes moist

01:23:00.360 and slippery

01:23:01.020 and the clitoris

01:23:02.120 becomes hard.

01:23:03.180 After a bit,

01:23:03.980 a person's

01:23:04.580 becomes erect,

01:23:06.740 stiff,

01:23:07.480 and larger.

01:23:07.980 Pastor,

01:23:08.440 sometimes a bit

01:23:09.580 of clear fluid

01:23:10.540 that may contain

01:23:11.520 the two sperm

01:23:12.360 comes out

01:23:13.160 of the tip

01:23:13.860 of the and makes it wet.

01:23:16.200 Can we,

01:23:17.140 sir, I'm sorry.

01:23:18.600 Was it something I said?

01:23:20.260 Just so you know,

01:23:21.060 this isn't two boys.

01:23:22.560 This is two women

01:23:23.700 with a strap-on

01:23:24.920 engaging in oral sex.

01:23:26.340 You're okay with that?

01:23:29.480 You're okay with that?

01:23:30.940 Why are you okay with that?

01:23:33.280 Skimming through the book,

01:23:34.340 you'll find graphic images

01:23:35.500 of two women

01:23:36.340 performing oral sex

01:23:37.440 while discussing

01:23:38.200 the sexually preferred taste

01:23:39.540 of each other's

01:23:40.140 bodily fluids,

01:23:41.560 an example of

01:23:42.320 an erotic fetish.

01:23:43.660 We're each busting

01:23:44.620 a load into this bottle.

01:23:46.160 If you don't come,

01:23:47.000 you have to drink it.

01:23:48.260 Ha, ha, ha, ha.

01:23:50.040 If you don't want to hear it

01:23:51.700 in a school board meeting,

01:23:53.200 why should children

01:23:54.300 be able to check it out

01:23:55.780 of the school system?

01:23:56.920 We have perverts

01:23:58.140 that are perverting

01:23:59.860 our kids.

01:24:01.880 And you all sit back

01:24:03.440 smug in your chairs,

01:24:05.100 but you don't want me

01:24:06.040 to read it.

01:24:06.660 Why?

01:24:07.020 Does it bother you?

01:24:08.200 God bless the pastor.

01:24:11.880 I mean,

01:24:12.880 we couldn't say it

01:24:13.460 better ourselves, guys.

01:24:15.160 It's not a few incidents.

01:24:16.580 It's happened

01:24:17.160 all over the country.

01:24:18.040 It's happened on race.

01:24:18.960 It's happened on gender.

01:24:19.880 It's happened with

01:24:20.340 the over-sexualization

01:24:21.320 in the books.

01:24:22.980 We need to be better

01:24:24.060 gatekeepers

01:24:24.580 of the pernicious ideologies

01:24:26.260 we're shoving

01:24:26.840 in front of our kids

01:24:27.800 and down their throats.

01:24:29.560 And the reason

01:24:31.840 that 60 Minutes

01:24:33.480 chose not to cover it honestly

01:24:34.640 is the reason that

01:24:35.920 I hate to keep coming back to this.

01:24:37.460 I don't say it as a

01:24:38.160 self-promotional thing,

01:24:39.340 but it is the reason

01:24:40.440 that alternative media

01:24:41.680 has risen.

01:24:42.720 I mean,

01:24:43.240 it's risen.

01:24:43.720 It's risen like a phoenix

01:24:44.960 from the ashes

01:24:46.220 of the mainstream media

01:24:47.740 that is just completely

01:24:49.460 blind

01:24:50.060 to the issues

01:24:51.160 that people care about

01:24:52.540 and to just the truth.

01:24:54.260 The truth

01:24:55.260 and what angle

01:24:56.320 is the proper angle

01:24:57.920 to cover

01:24:58.480 or at least

01:24:59.600 tip your hat to

01:25:01.280 in a piece like this.

01:25:02.940 They won't do it.

01:25:04.140 Who wants the last word?

01:25:06.800 Well,

01:25:07.120 quickly,

01:25:08.000 if I may,

01:25:08.820 Megan,

01:25:09.060 you know,

01:25:09.280 you mentioned 60 Minutes

01:25:10.720 and they didn't show

01:25:11.440 these images,

01:25:12.100 obviously,

01:25:12.720 and the FCC

01:25:13.720 is part of that,

01:25:14.580 right?

01:25:14.800 But I don't think

01:25:15.260 that's the whole story.

01:25:16.360 The reason why

01:25:16.980 they won't show

01:25:17.420 these images

01:25:17.840 is because they know

01:25:19.020 for any normal

01:25:20.420 human being,

01:25:21.440 the second they see

01:25:22.480 those images,

01:25:23.200 the argument is over.

01:25:24.960 There's no way to win

01:25:26.260 when you see these images.

01:25:27.640 And to the extent

01:25:28.520 that Pelley

01:25:29.160 even has to admit

01:25:30.600 that nobody believes

01:25:32.580 that these things

01:25:33.160 are appropriate

01:25:33.720 for younger ages

01:25:35.200 or he says

01:25:35.560 most people would agree.

01:25:37.220 Well,

01:25:37.540 if that's so,

01:25:38.300 if the consensus is there,

01:25:39.660 then there's not really

01:25:40.460 that much of an argument,

01:25:41.740 right?

01:25:42.360 The argument is,

01:25:43.440 I think,

01:25:44.160 quite clear

01:25:44.820 that younger kids

01:25:45.880 in particular,

01:25:46.600 and I would agree with you

01:25:47.360 that there's no reason

01:25:48.300 for any of that stuff

01:25:49.360 to be in school.

01:25:50.240 I mean,

01:25:50.360 obviously,

01:25:50.760 a sexual education

01:25:51.660 has had some,

01:25:54.060 you know,

01:25:54.340 history

01:25:54.760 in our school system,

01:25:55.980 but it's never been like,

01:25:57.120 hey,

01:25:57.380 look,

01:25:57.660 you know,

01:25:57.820 talking about the bottle

01:25:59.740 and the fluids

01:26:00.460 and all these things

01:26:01.400 that you just discussed.

01:26:03.200 None of that's part of it.

01:26:05.060 Keep this away

01:26:06.020 from the younger kids

01:26:07.080 at the very least.

01:26:08.280 We can,

01:26:08.620 then we can start talking

01:26:09.500 about high school,

01:26:10.440 but we can't start talking

01:26:11.280 about high school

01:26:11.960 until we deal

01:26:13.040 with what's in front of us

01:26:14.020 with younger kids

01:26:14.920 around the country

01:26:15.960 that you would never allow them

01:26:17.840 to even search

01:26:18.580 for the stuff online themselves.

01:26:20.360 You're,

01:26:20.860 you're putting them

01:26:21.460 in a position

01:26:21.920 where you're forcing this

01:26:22.900 and it's worse

01:26:24.420 than them going online

01:26:25.620 and finding

01:26:26.340 some illicit thing

01:26:27.420 that they think

01:26:27.980 they're discovering

01:26:28.560 for the first time.

01:26:29.620 This is being given

01:26:30.220 to them

01:26:30.480 with the approval

01:26:31.300 of adults

01:26:31.940 as if this is the way

01:26:33.160 they should be thinking.

01:26:35.300 And that is

01:26:35.780 a totally different approach

01:26:37.420 and it changes

01:26:38.300 the way our kids grow up

01:26:40.060 and it's just wrong.

01:26:41.900 Well said.

01:26:42.720 That was Pastor John

01:26:43.780 Amanjikyu.

01:26:45.100 He's now

01:26:46.140 Turning Point USA

01:26:47.480 faith contributor

01:26:48.280 and God bless that man

01:26:49.880 for saying it so well.

01:26:51.180 Guys,

01:26:51.620 great discussion.

01:26:52.260 Stand by.

01:26:52.740 Much more to get to.

01:26:54.040 I have a glass of water.

01:26:55.300 I take a break.

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01:28:04.940 I don't know

01:28:11.460 if you've been following

01:28:12.420 the Fannie Willis saga,

01:28:14.320 but President Trump himself

01:28:16.880 weighed in on it.

01:28:18.460 It's like he held his tongue.

01:28:21.100 He held his tongue

01:28:23.060 and then he just couldn't

01:28:24.640 take it anymore

01:28:25.320 and he had to comment

01:28:27.140 this weekend.

01:28:28.400 Here's what he said.

01:28:30.060 And they hired him

01:28:31.280 for almost a million dollars

01:28:32.580 because of his great,

01:28:33.700 great experience.

01:28:34.500 Of course,

01:28:35.020 he didn't have any experience.

01:28:36.660 He had experience

01:28:37.480 in something else.

01:28:38.740 You know that.

01:28:40.280 A lot of experience.

01:28:45.220 And at that,

01:28:46.120 I'm quite sure

01:28:46.700 he was very good

01:28:47.580 based on the fact

01:28:48.400 that she called him

01:28:49.160 2,000 times.

01:28:50.320 I didn't know the gentleman.

01:28:52.180 I didn't know him.

01:28:52.880 Oh, you have 2,000 phone calls,

01:28:55.000 3,500 text messages.

01:28:57.760 How is it possible?

01:28:59.440 I happen to have

01:29:00.060 a very good relationship

01:29:01.180 with a woman called Melania.

01:29:04.500 But I would venture

01:29:05.500 to say in all the years

01:29:06.760 that I've known her,

01:29:07.560 I might not have called her

01:29:08.740 2,500 times.

01:29:10.460 That's how I know

01:29:11.780 I didn't send

01:29:12.600 3,500 text messages.

01:29:14.840 For the listening audience,

01:29:19.020 when he's saying

01:29:19.580 Nathan,

01:29:20.040 we was very good

01:29:20.600 at something,

01:29:21.040 he's doing the old

01:29:21.720 like pound thing

01:29:22.600 with the fist

01:29:23.340 just in case

01:29:25.240 you needed that

01:29:26.040 brought home.

01:29:27.560 So, Dave,

01:29:28.680 I got to feel like

01:29:30.640 the lawyers

01:29:31.720 who are winning

01:29:32.660 this case right now

01:29:33.800 down in Atlanta,

01:29:35.540 I mean,

01:29:35.800 in the Fulton County area

01:29:36.900 against Fannie

01:29:38.380 would have preferred

01:29:39.940 he just,

01:29:40.760 could you just hold it

01:29:41.700 for two more weeks

01:29:42.620 till we get our ruling?

01:29:43.520 But what did you make of it?

01:29:46.060 Yeah,

01:29:46.580 I mean,

01:29:47.140 wow.

01:29:48.040 Like,

01:29:48.300 first of all,

01:29:49.280 like,

01:29:49.520 I don't know if you watched

01:29:50.420 on Friday,

01:29:51.420 but the lawyer

01:29:52.120 for the state,

01:29:53.440 like the DA

01:29:54.400 for the state,

01:29:55.320 I watched,

01:29:55.900 like,

01:29:56.300 I finally understood

01:29:57.540 why they went

01:29:58.880 with Nathan Wade

01:29:59.960 because like,

01:30:00.600 if that's the best

01:30:01.300 they got

01:30:01.780 in the Fulton County

01:30:02.700 DA's office,

01:30:03.580 my goodness,

01:30:04.240 that guy,

01:30:04.860 that guy,

01:30:05.660 not only could he

01:30:06.320 not explain to me

01:30:07.500 what he was talking about,

01:30:08.940 he didn't seem

01:30:09.420 to understand himself

01:30:10.900 what he was talking about

01:30:12.340 and I understand

01:30:12.820 he got,

01:30:13.260 you know,

01:30:13.520 a bad deck of cards there,

01:30:14.720 but on a serious note,

01:30:16.360 there's something

01:30:16.840 that I came to realize

01:30:19.020 in watching this testimony

01:30:20.080 that I hadn't

01:30:20.960 right off the bat.

01:30:22.180 We talk a lot

01:30:22.900 about the financial motivation

01:30:24.360 that Willis might have had

01:30:25.480 and I'm not discounting that,

01:30:26.640 right?

01:30:26.760 If you've got

01:30:27.160 a $400,000 job

01:30:28.640 to hand out,

01:30:29.340 why not give it

01:30:29.920 to your boyfriend

01:30:30.520 and he can take you

01:30:31.480 on trips to Napa,

01:30:32.420 right?

01:30:33.220 But I think

01:30:33.940 there was another motivation

01:30:35.060 and I think

01:30:35.460 it's arguably

01:30:36.040 more nefarious.

01:30:37.360 I think Willis

01:30:38.840 wanted a lead prosecutor

01:30:40.280 who hates Trump

01:30:41.660 and his associates

01:30:42.440 just as zealously

01:30:44.040 as she does,

01:30:45.180 who would be willing

01:30:45.860 to break ethical rules

01:30:47.780 to, I don't know,

01:30:48.460 go meet at the White House

01:30:49.960 with people, right?

01:30:50.840 Who would take

01:30:51.640 every 50-50 call

01:30:52.940 and go against Trump.

01:30:54.520 And let's not forget,

01:30:55.680 Fannie Willis is elected.

01:30:57.620 The rest of those people

01:30:58.640 in the Fulton County

01:30:59.420 DA's office,

01:31:00.480 their career prosecutors,

01:31:01.840 they might not have been

01:31:02.660 so keen on her idea

01:31:04.400 of I've got this

01:31:05.560 completely novel way

01:31:06.880 of using RICO

01:31:07.740 and it's totally

01:31:08.420 going to work.

01:31:09.060 Go make a fool

01:31:09.640 of yourself.

01:31:10.800 So this thing

01:31:11.720 looks horrible.

01:31:12.660 I can't imagine

01:31:13.560 that the judge

01:31:14.860 is going to let

01:31:15.480 either of them

01:31:16.240 or likely their team

01:31:17.420 stay on the case.

01:31:18.600 And quite frankly,

01:31:19.320 I'd be surprised

01:31:20.120 at this point

01:31:20.780 if this case

01:31:21.820 moves forward at all.

01:31:23.480 I'm curious if you guys agree,

01:31:24.860 but that's what it looks

01:31:25.460 like to me.

01:31:26.740 That's the longer shot,

01:31:27.620 but it's very possible

01:31:28.440 because I don't know

01:31:29.020 that there's going to be

01:31:29.560 another prosecutor

01:31:30.220 who's going to want it

01:31:31.220 and I do think

01:31:31.820 they're both getting dumped.

01:31:33.620 In the time we have left,

01:31:34.900 we've got to get

01:31:35.440 to Steve Baker.

01:31:36.180 investigative journalist

01:31:37.360 at The Blaze,

01:31:38.240 though he was not working

01:31:39.100 for The Blaze

01:31:39.620 on January 6th of 2021.

01:31:42.640 But he has been arrested.

01:31:46.040 He's been arrested

01:31:47.100 by the feds

01:31:48.600 for his role

01:31:49.420 on January 6th, 2021,

01:31:51.460 Stu.

01:31:52.000 He did not storm.

01:31:53.940 He went as an

01:31:54.780 investigative journalist.

01:31:56.600 What are the feds

01:31:57.320 upset about?

01:31:58.640 The things he said.

01:32:00.640 They're mad.

01:32:01.560 He called Nancy Pelosi

01:32:02.940 a bad word

01:32:03.920 and he seemed

01:32:05.000 to show some favor

01:32:06.180 toward the protesters,

01:32:08.200 though he says

01:32:09.320 some of that was in jest.

01:32:10.440 But even if it wasn't in jest,

01:32:12.140 it's not illegal

01:32:13.200 to favor what you saw

01:32:14.860 on January 6th.

01:32:15.520 It's controversial.

01:32:16.420 It's not illegal.

01:32:17.600 So what do you make

01:32:18.220 of what's happened here?

01:32:19.100 The arrest of a journalist?

01:32:21.800 Yeah, it's amazing.

01:32:23.860 I'm here at The Blaze.

01:32:24.740 You know,

01:32:25.000 I work with Steve.

01:32:25.880 I did not know him

01:32:26.540 at the time.

01:32:27.960 And it's been fascinating.

01:32:29.800 We had to,

01:32:30.600 I mean,

01:32:30.740 I did the last interview

01:32:31.520 with him before he got

01:32:32.780 arrested the other day.

01:32:34.560 He was,

01:32:36.480 you know,

01:32:36.680 he's the most mild-mannered guy

01:32:38.900 you've ever talked to.

01:32:40.460 He's a reporter

01:32:41.480 and you can tell

01:32:42.300 he's a reporter.

01:32:43.120 He sounds like a reporter.

01:32:44.540 He's been doing this

01:32:45.280 for a long time.

01:32:46.500 He was there

01:32:46.980 with his microphone

01:32:47.740 to get man-on-the-street stuff.

01:32:50.080 And, you know,

01:32:50.740 he's been consistent

01:32:51.760 ever since I've ever

01:32:52.480 talked to him

01:32:53.180 about how he

01:32:54.260 opposed the violence

01:32:55.580 and anything like that

01:32:56.600 that happened

01:32:57.400 at these events.

01:32:58.480 They're trying to get him

01:32:59.080 on words he said,

01:33:00.040 many of them joking.

01:33:01.200 You know,

01:33:01.340 being a wise-ass

01:33:02.140 on a podcast

01:33:02.720 is not a crime.

01:33:04.560 That is just,

01:33:05.060 it's not a criminal activity.

01:33:06.160 We'd all get arrested.

01:33:07.240 Yeah,

01:33:07.540 I'd certainly be in prison.

01:33:08.900 It's my entire career,

01:33:09.840 basically,

01:33:10.320 in a nutshell.

01:33:12.000 But it's fascinating

01:33:13.060 because I will say

01:33:13.820 I approached Steve

01:33:14.440 with a little bit

01:33:14.980 of skepticism, honestly.

01:33:16.180 Like,

01:33:16.300 I didn't know him.

01:33:17.440 And when he came

01:33:18.020 to The Blaze,

01:33:18.720 like,

01:33:18.940 he wasn't working here.

01:33:20.440 He was,

01:33:20.840 you know,

01:33:21.140 covering this stuff

01:33:22.040 and doing his own reporting

01:33:23.460 on his own.

01:33:24.780 And, like,

01:33:25.240 you know,

01:33:25.580 I think there are people

01:33:27.100 who were probably inside

01:33:28.420 on January 6th

01:33:29.500 who used journalism

01:33:30.680 as an excuse.

01:33:32.240 You see them chanting

01:33:33.720 and doing all of these things

01:33:35.680 that aren't consistent

01:33:36.800 with what a reporter

01:33:37.600 probably would do.

01:33:39.340 And I,

01:33:39.900 you know,

01:33:40.060 I pressed Steve on that.

01:33:41.380 And I've been impressed

01:33:42.520 with the way

01:33:42.920 he's answered these questions.

01:33:44.640 He's,

01:33:45.080 at times,

01:33:45.640 talked about,

01:33:46.300 you know,

01:33:47.080 issues and said

01:33:48.480 he's been critical

01:33:49.260 of people who were in there,

01:33:50.500 who certainly

01:33:50.980 who committed violence.

01:33:52.520 But also,

01:33:53.220 you know,

01:33:53.480 says,

01:33:53.820 like,

01:33:54.000 he said to me,

01:33:54.640 he said,

01:33:54.880 look,

01:33:55.060 I mean,

01:33:55.600 I am not allowed

01:33:56.560 to actually be in that building

01:33:57.540 and I know that.

01:33:58.720 You know,

01:33:59.200 even if I have a press credential,

01:34:00.580 I'm not allowed to be in there.

01:34:01.900 But when I was in there,

01:34:03.520 I was in there

01:34:04.200 with 60 other reporters

01:34:05.680 who were doing the same thing.

01:34:07.180 None of them have been charged.

01:34:08.780 He told me

01:34:09.260 the fifth person

01:34:10.640 to enter the Capitol

01:34:11.940 was a New York Times reporter

01:34:14.180 through a broken window.

01:34:16.140 What am I going to do?

01:34:16.940 I'm going to sit there

01:34:17.520 and let the New York Times go in

01:34:18.780 and get the story

01:34:19.660 and I'm going to be like,

01:34:20.300 I'm the rule follower.

01:34:21.460 I stayed outside.

01:34:22.140 I didn't get any footage, boss.

01:34:23.500 That's not the way journalism works.

01:34:25.720 Right.

01:34:25.920 And he took that footage

01:34:26.920 and he was able to license it

01:34:28.860 to NBC News

01:34:29.900 and HBO

01:34:30.680 and many other outlets

01:34:32.480 because

01:34:32.980 and the Times

01:34:33.940 and and by the way,

01:34:35.240 we have the footage

01:34:36.240 of him inside the Capitol.

01:34:38.160 We have all of it

01:34:39.720 now.

01:34:40.640 And he is standing there like,

01:34:42.880 I mean,

01:34:43.000 I hate to say this for poor Steve,

01:34:44.260 but like the most boring person

01:34:45.780 in the entire world.

01:34:46.640 He is standing against the wall.

01:34:48.200 He's letting people walk by him.

01:34:50.100 He's not even moving with the crowd.

01:34:51.940 Yeah, look at it.

01:34:52.900 He just this is this is basically

01:34:54.620 it's the most boring

01:34:55.600 37 minutes of footage

01:34:56.780 you will ever see

01:34:57.500 because he was really there

01:34:59.120 to cover the story.

01:35:00.280 And like you'd think

01:35:01.280 in a country that is

01:35:02.180 at at odds with each other,

01:35:04.040 a lot of unrest.

01:35:05.540 The last thing you do

01:35:06.380 is press something like this

01:35:07.560 against a legitimate reporter

01:35:08.940 working at a major

01:35:09.780 conservative outlet.

01:35:10.900 But it seems like chaos

01:35:12.320 seems to be more of the goal

01:35:13.760 than quelling this unease

01:35:15.920 between the two sides.

01:35:17.040 And that is maybe

01:35:18.140 the most problematic part

01:35:19.220 of all of this.

01:35:20.220 Dave, on top of everything,

01:35:22.040 he says now,

01:35:24.220 Steve Baker says

01:35:25.120 his hands and his ankles

01:35:26.860 were chained

01:35:27.780 when he was dragged

01:35:29.040 into court

01:35:29.540 in the federal building

01:35:30.240 in front of the magistrate judge

01:35:31.300 to face four misdemeanor charges.

01:35:34.240 He was chained.

01:35:36.440 Yeah, that was that was

01:35:37.120 that was done for our benefit.

01:35:38.380 Right.

01:35:38.780 That was a message to you, Megan.

01:35:40.420 That was a message to you, Steve.

01:35:42.180 That was a message to me

01:35:43.720 and anybody else

01:35:45.060 who may have the temerity

01:35:46.560 to criticize

01:35:48.900 the Biden administration,

01:35:51.280 the Democrats,

01:35:52.440 the left,

01:35:52.960 or say a kind word

01:35:54.140 about Donald Trump.

01:35:55.880 This is absolutely chilling

01:35:57.240 and it's not an isolated incident.

01:35:59.160 I wrote about the case

01:36:00.160 of Owen Schroyer,

01:36:01.080 which was a little bit

01:36:02.100 of a different case

01:36:02.740 because there was

01:36:03.900 a probation issue there.

01:36:05.000 And so the underlying crime

01:36:06.340 was perhaps

01:36:07.700 a little more plausible.

01:36:09.000 But the Department of Justice

01:36:10.400 sent a sentencing recommendation

01:36:11.940 where they asked the judge

01:36:13.340 to give him more jail time

01:36:14.960 because he went on InfoWars

01:36:17.020 and said the election was stolen.

01:36:18.720 I'm sorry.

01:36:19.700 This is the United States of America.

01:36:21.480 You don't get more jail time

01:36:23.440 for stating your political opinion.

01:36:25.980 So correct.

01:36:26.760 This is creep, right?

01:36:28.020 Starts with InfoWars.

01:36:29.260 Now it's at the blaze.

01:36:30.980 Listen,

01:36:31.760 their eyes are on us, guys.

01:36:34.020 Don't kid yourself.

01:36:35.740 Mm hmm.

01:36:36.380 James O'Keefe, too.

01:36:37.500 We'll see what happens.

01:36:38.280 Absolutely.

01:36:38.460 But the FBI came,

01:36:40.660 raided his house

01:36:41.280 in the middle of the pre-dawn light

01:36:42.940 after he tried to get

01:36:44.920 that Ashley Biden diary

01:36:46.360 potentially published,

01:36:47.660 but he never did it.

01:36:49.480 That's ongoing.

01:36:50.340 His whole career

01:36:50.940 is in tatters right now,

01:36:51.900 but he's resurrected over.

01:36:53.540 The only credential we need

01:36:54.700 is the First Amendment.

01:36:55.660 That is the only press credential

01:36:57.120 that anybody needs.

01:36:58.800 That's right.

01:36:59.540 Now get out of my way.

01:37:01.160 Guys, great to have you.

01:37:02.800 It's so fun talking to you guys.

01:37:03.960 I appreciate you being here.

01:37:05.080 All the best.

01:37:06.380 Thanks, Megan.

01:37:07.020 Thanks so much.

01:37:07.480 All right.

01:37:08.600 I'll see all of you tomorrow.

01:37:09.580 I want to tell you

01:37:10.000 programming no on Wednesday.

01:37:11.780 Ashley Merchant's giving testimony

01:37:13.120 before the Georgia Senate,

01:37:14.700 and we will cover it for you.

01:37:19.280 Thanks for listening

01:37:20.120 to The Megyn Kelly Show.

01:37:21.440 No BS,

01:37:22.340 no agenda,

01:37:23.140 and no fear.

01:37:37.480 I'll see you next time.

01:37:52.420 Okay.

The Megyn Kelly Show - March 04, 2024

Unanimous Trump Victory at Supreme Court, and 60 Minutes ＂Moms for Liberty＂ Hit Job, with Stu Burguiere and Dave Marcus ｜ Ep. 737

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