The Megyn Kelly Show - Weinstein's New Trial, New Lively Questions, and Meghan Markle's Grift, with Tim Dillon, Arthur Aidala, and Mark Eiglarsh ｜ Ep. 1047

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00:01:00.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.980 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, and happy Friday.

00:01:17.440 Later, we've got Tim Dillon here with me in studio.

00:01:20.820 I cannot wait to see him.

00:01:23.400 You know this guy. He's brilliant.

00:01:25.420 He is so funny and clever.

00:01:27.880 He came on. I looked it up.

00:01:29.940 It was like episode 50.

00:01:31.600 I think it was episode 50, right?

00:01:32.880 Between 50 and 60 of the show.

00:01:35.080 This is when we were in the kids' playroom, only audio.

00:01:39.500 We loved him back then.

00:01:40.540 He was so funny.

00:01:41.640 I remember just crying.

00:01:42.900 I was laughing so hard.

00:01:44.220 And then we had him again a couple years later, and now he's back, and I can't wait to talk

00:01:48.420 to him in person.

00:01:49.060 I've never met him in person.

00:01:50.680 Anyway, it's going to be great.

00:01:51.760 So prepare to have fun in our second hour.

00:01:54.120 But we begin with a different kind of fun, a fun that everybody loves, and that's Kelly's Court.

00:01:59.420 And there's a ton to get to.

00:02:01.480 We've got some interesting and bizarre debates popping up about a lot of stories in the news,

00:02:06.460 including that terrible stabbing of the high school football player down in Texas.

00:02:11.440 Plus, we've got big updates with Diddy, Harvey Weinstein, Brian Kohlberger, and Blake Lively.

00:02:17.600 And here to discuss it all are the OG Kelly's Court panelists, back when it was Kendall's Court,

00:02:24.540 Arthur Idala, trial attorney and managing partner at Idala, Bertuna, and Cayman's PC,

00:02:29.980 and host of the Arthur Idala Power Hour, and Mark Eiglarsh, criminal defense attorney at Eiglarsh Law,

00:02:36.660 which you can find at speaktomark.com, speaktomark.com.

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00:03:44.640 Guys, welcome back.

00:03:47.100 I love speaking to Mark.

00:03:48.260 I love speaking to Mark.

00:03:49.340 It's like my favorite thing to do, Megyn Kelly.

00:03:51.420 Same.

00:03:51.900 Same with me and Arthur.

00:03:52.900 I love talking to him.

00:03:54.080 Yeah, sure.

00:03:54.740 Why not?

00:03:56.260 Okay.

00:03:57.100 So let's start.

00:03:58.500 There's a lot of places we can start.

00:03:59.880 Why?

00:04:00.300 Well, why don't we just kick it off with this?

00:04:02.000 Since our pal Arthur over here is going back to court for Harvey Weinstein,

00:04:09.800 who thanks to Arthur, we talked about this, you know, when he did it,

00:04:13.440 has a new trial in New York on these criminal allegations against him 0.95

00:04:17.480 that he's a sexual pervert. 0.81

00:04:19.480 And Arthur represented him in the trial, but he got convicted. 0.91

00:04:22.860 But then Arthur got the conviction thrown out

00:04:25.300 because they let everybody and her mother take the stand,

00:04:28.580 even people who weren't plaintiffs or victims alleged in the case.

00:04:33.780 And the Court of Appeals of New York State said,

00:04:35.760 you can't do that.

00:04:36.800 That wasn't fair to Mr. Weinstein.

00:04:38.280 So now he's back in court and the jury selection begins on Tuesday?

00:04:43.060 Yeah, jury selection begins on Tuesday.

00:04:45.100 And Megan, that's honestly, that's the biggest hurdle here.

00:04:47.580 It's, you know, 90% of the cases,

00:04:50.260 99% of the cases Mark and I are involved with,

00:04:53.080 you know, you walk into a courtroom and jurors don't know who the defendant is.

00:04:56.200 They don't know what the charges are.

00:04:57.640 You know, you have a clean slate.

00:04:59.520 So at least you have a shot at the jury reaching a verdict

00:05:03.500 based on the evidence they hear in court.

00:05:05.520 Here, the huge hurdle we have is, God forbid,

00:05:08.560 they base the evidence on what they see on TMZ or People Magazine

00:05:12.660 or something along those lines.

00:05:14.320 So the jury selection part is going to be tedious

00:05:17.460 because we're going to ask, okay, can we have a raise of hands?

00:05:21.220 Who knows who this is?

00:05:22.920 Okay, fine.

00:05:24.120 And then when you say, raise your hands if you know about this case,

00:05:27.920 you then need to call them in the back individually

00:05:30.140 because you don't want them to blurt out, 1.00

00:05:32.180 oh yeah, I know Harvey's a rapist and he's a bad guy 1.00

00:05:34.560 and he killed his this and killed his cat. 1.00

00:05:36.640 And so one at a time, you have to ask them what they know

00:05:39.620 and whether they can get over their own personal knowledge,

00:05:42.780 which is in the hard drive of their brain,

00:05:44.740 to then just base their verdict on the facts

00:05:47.840 that they're going to hear in this trial.

00:05:49.440 Not a trial in California,

00:05:51.060 not a trial in New York five years ago,

00:05:53.060 not some documentary on Netflix.

00:05:56.460 So jury selection here,

00:05:57.740 probably more than any case I've ever been involved with,

00:06:00.140 is probably the most important part of the whole case.

00:06:04.280 And Megan, let me tell you something about Arthur

00:06:06.380 and this case.

00:06:08.320 He won't tell you this,

00:06:09.320 but it is so much more challenging the second time around

00:06:12.860 because now you've got the trial transcripts,

00:06:15.800 thousands and thousands of extra pages

00:06:18.540 that you didn't have in the first trial.

00:06:21.100 And you must go through every word line by line

00:06:25.240 to use for your advantage.

00:06:27.660 So Arthur is being very generous with this time right now

00:06:30.760 because if it was me, I'd be knee deep in preparation.

00:06:33.580 I know, I'm kind of amazed he's here.

00:06:36.740 Yeah, and Megan, talking to you as a friend,

00:06:38.940 the hardest part right now, honestly, is my kids.

00:06:41.980 Like I have a three-year-old and an eight-year-old

00:06:44.500 and I barely, I barely seen them.

00:06:47.280 And like, it's my,

00:06:48.160 Arthur's like opening day of baseball on Saturday.

00:06:50.760 So I'll be there for two hours

00:06:52.140 and then I come back to the office

00:06:53.340 and his face just drops.

00:06:55.180 He's like, daddy, you got to go to work again.

00:06:57.360 But you have someone's life in their hands.

00:06:59.120 And if Harvey gets convicted,

00:07:00.520 he's going to die in prison.

00:07:01.900 Theory and amen, end of story.

00:07:03.560 And that's an enormous amount of pressure.

00:07:05.220 It's going to be a five, six week thing.

00:07:07.060 And I will tell you this,

00:07:08.560 I'll give you guys a little preview.

00:07:09.640 I am seriously, this isn't Huffery,

00:07:12.080 seriously contemplating putting him on the stand

00:07:14.800 because it's basically, it's a he said, she said.

00:07:17.060 There is no other evidence.

00:07:18.520 There's no medical evidence.

00:07:20.460 There's no video.

00:07:21.680 There's, it's just their word.

00:07:23.740 And I think in today's day and age,

00:07:25.320 I think a jury wants to say,

00:07:27.460 look, if he, if you didn't do it, guy,

00:07:29.980 you come up here and tell us you didn't do it.

00:07:31.780 So, and Mark will tell you,

00:07:33.140 it's the most excruciating decision

00:07:35.040 the vet has to make.

00:07:36.960 But if they're probably going to Rikers Island

00:07:41.500 this weekend to start prepping him

00:07:43.120 just so that, no, we're ready to go

00:07:44.980 if he needs to take the stand.

00:07:46.300 I hope it doesn't come down to it

00:07:48.140 because that's the one time

00:07:49.220 you cannot control that guy

00:07:50.800 and you're not going to find,

00:07:52.420 it's going to be difficult to find

00:07:54.060 a unanimous jury that actually likes him.

00:07:57.760 And I say that generically.

00:07:59.020 It's hard for all the jurors to like your client.

00:08:01.240 But like, like can't be the goal when it's Harvey.

00:08:04.240 But isn't the goal, Arthur,

00:08:05.800 correct me if I'm wrong, isn't the goal,

00:08:08.600 you're not going to love this guy.

00:08:09.600 I can see that up front.

00:08:12.440 This is not somebody you want marrying your daughter.

00:08:14.960 But he did not commit sexual crimes

00:08:19.600 against these women. 0.83

00:08:20.800 These women said yes. 1.00

00:08:22.160 These women went along with it. 1.00

00:08:23.680 They had career aspirations.

00:08:25.680 They didn't make clear to him

00:08:27.100 that they were unwilling participants.

00:08:29.280 Only after the fact,

00:08:30.760 when the Me Too era came along,

00:08:32.480 was it suddenly,

00:08:33.420 I was a crime victim in that moment.

00:08:36.320 He's good, Arthur.

00:08:37.300 You should bring her in. 0.99

00:08:38.120 You know, almost decades later

00:08:41.160 when the complaint's made,

00:08:42.540 and it's no secret

00:08:43.420 because it's out there in the public,

00:08:45.360 they all received a lot of money,

00:08:47.180 like hundreds of thousands of dollars.

00:08:50.120 So, you know, look,

00:08:51.320 we have something to work with.

00:08:52.440 If this was not Harvey Weiss,

00:08:54.220 if this was Harvey Jones,

00:08:55.900 and a jury came in

00:08:57.200 and knew nothing about this,

00:08:58.560 I would be very confident.

00:09:00.140 Right now, Mr. Eiglash,

00:09:01.540 the two words I would love to hear

00:09:03.040 is hung jury or mistrial

00:09:04.960 at the end of the case

00:09:06.760 because they said

00:09:08.300 the preconceived notions

00:09:09.600 that people have

00:09:10.380 going into that courtroom

00:09:11.500 is really the Mount Everest

00:09:12.880 we have to climb.

00:09:13.860 Yeah, there's no presumption of innocent.

00:09:15.840 Yeah.

00:09:16.060 I know, but I have to say,

00:09:16.980 like, I think,

00:09:17.540 maybe I'm the exception,

00:09:18.540 but even though I've listened

00:09:20.760 to countless testimonials

00:09:22.780 by women

00:09:23.260 who said that they were

00:09:24.540 the victims of a Me Too situation,

00:09:26.820 I think I could go in there

00:09:28.560 and say,

00:09:29.180 but I will judge this case

00:09:31.100 based on the evidence

00:09:32.280 that is put before me

00:09:33.540 and figure out

00:09:34.260 whether in these incidents

00:09:35.580 brought to me

00:09:36.300 he committed a crime.

00:09:38.240 I really think I could do it.

00:09:39.300 I think my fellow New Yorkers

00:09:40.380 can do it.

00:09:40.800 I mean, New Yorkers 0.99

00:09:41.300 are tough as balls. 0.99

00:09:42.280 Like, they're smart. 0.89

00:09:44.980 I think you could do it,

00:09:46.920 but a Manhattan jury pool

00:09:49.160 where Donald Trump

00:09:50.120 got 17% of the vote,

00:09:52.520 I mean, I just think

00:09:53.520 there's just so inclined.

00:09:54.760 But it's not a Republican-Democrat thing.

00:09:56.400 Republicans don't like

00:09:57.380 sexual crimes.

00:10:00.040 I know,

00:10:01.000 but they're very much,

00:10:02.580 they're all about

00:10:03.260 believe all women. 0.93

00:10:04.240 They're all about

00:10:04.840 the Attorney General,

00:10:05.800 Letitia James,

00:10:06.580 believe all women,

00:10:07.420 believe all women. 0.93

00:10:08.220 They lean heavily

00:10:09.200 in that direction.

00:10:10.360 And they believe the media, too.

00:10:11.880 That's another problem.

00:10:12.860 Once they've read something

00:10:14.380 in black and white,

00:10:15.660 a lot erroneously think

00:10:17.000 that that's the truth.

00:10:18.020 It's hard to overcome.

00:10:18.560 Well, I think,

00:10:19.160 if you're worried about

00:10:20.420 believe all women, Arthur, 1.00

00:10:21.360 I would say that

00:10:22.040 you don't need my advice

00:10:23.320 to try a case,

00:10:24.120 but you might want to 0.98

00:10:26.040 hit that one right on the head 0.99

00:10:27.660 and say,

00:10:27.940 I understand that

00:10:28.820 that's the line.

00:10:30.520 And maybe you even do believe,

00:10:32.640 maybe you believe

00:10:33.660 that he crossed lines.

00:10:35.680 He was inappropriate.

00:10:37.040 You know,

00:10:37.220 you don't like him.

00:10:38.340 But that's a big,

00:10:39.400 big,

00:10:40.220 big cry away from,

00:10:41.540 far cry from,

00:10:42.800 he committed rape. 0.95

00:10:44.640 He committed sexual assault. 0.98

00:10:47.080 And, you know,

00:10:48.240 it's either that

00:10:49.420 or it's,

00:10:50.520 you had consensual partners

00:10:52.160 who maybe were uncomfortable

00:10:54.080 but didn't express it.

00:10:55.600 You had people

00:10:56.460 who were there,

00:10:57.280 maybe they did feel duress,

00:10:59.040 but without telling him

00:11:00.460 until 20 years later,

00:11:02.720 how was he to know?

00:11:03.980 I mean,

00:11:04.200 what makes it a crime

00:11:05.360 is when you don't have

00:11:06.880 the consent of the other woman.

00:11:07.940 Like,

00:11:08.120 one of the women,

00:11:08.960 as I understand it,

00:11:09.540 Arthur,

00:11:09.680 it's been a while,

00:11:10.300 but she's alleging that

00:11:11.720 he performed,

00:11:13.060 like, 1.00

00:11:13.620 forcible oral sex 1.00

00:11:14.920 on her. 1.00

00:11:16.560 And,

00:11:16.840 you know,

00:11:17.920 I think you could definitely

00:11:18.920 fairly get into

00:11:20.000 how does that happen,

00:11:22.300 right?

00:11:22.560 Like,

00:11:23.180 how can that be done

00:11:24.460 in a forcible,

00:11:26.540 non-consensual,

00:11:27.660 non-consensual way?

00:11:29.140 Or is it more likely

00:11:29.900 it happened where

00:11:30.640 the man thought

00:11:31.900 he did have permission

00:11:32.920 and learned later

00:11:35.360 that the woman was there

00:11:36.600 against her will?

00:11:37.520 The state's gonna get into that.

00:11:38.700 That's what the prosecution

00:11:39.640 has to do.

00:11:40.700 And they will.

00:11:41.460 And then they're gonna drop it

00:11:42.180 in Arthur's lap

00:11:42.880 when they're done

00:11:43.460 in graphic detail,

00:11:45.020 leaving you with an image

00:11:46.020 of how that could have happened.

00:11:47.680 Since I'm getting

00:11:48.400 some free legal advice here,

00:11:50.320 how about this one, Megan?

00:11:51.360 Because I really think

00:11:52.440 this is probably

00:11:53.380 accurate.

00:11:55.500 They were kind of

00:11:56.180 friends with benefits.

00:11:57.860 You know,

00:11:58.100 he was getting something

00:11:59.040 from them

00:11:59.540 and they were going

00:12:00.160 to Oscar parties

00:12:01.100 and they were going

00:12:02.020 to the Cannes Film Festival

00:12:03.580 and they were having access

00:12:05.280 to things

00:12:05.980 that they would never

00:12:07.320 have access to.

00:12:08.220 These were not

00:12:08.780 these caliber of people.

00:12:10.780 And in return,

00:12:12.340 you know,

00:12:12.600 he had a nice

00:12:13.220 15 minutes,

00:12:14.060 you know,

00:12:14.920 in the bedroom

00:12:15.480 with them.

00:12:17.020 Do any of them

00:12:17.940 expressly allege

00:12:19.520 that they said

00:12:20.080 no in the moment

00:12:20.820 and that they made clear

00:12:21.960 with their body language

00:12:23.160 or their voice

00:12:24.260 explicitly

00:12:24.800 that it was a no?

00:12:27.060 Well,

00:12:27.380 they do now.

00:12:28.740 You know,

00:12:28.940 in the grand jury

00:12:29.780 six years ago,

00:12:32.340 they were a lot more,

00:12:33.280 it was a lot more

00:12:34.360 hesitant.

00:12:35.720 And now six years later,

00:12:37.320 you know,

00:12:37.580 it's much more,

00:12:38.400 oh, absolutely.

00:12:39.200 It was absolutely clear

00:12:40.660 that that's not

00:12:41.260 what I wanted.

00:12:41.900 So you know how

00:12:42.660 testimony develops

00:12:43.960 over the course of time.

00:12:45.940 All right.

00:12:46.800 When he gives

00:12:47.340 his closing argument,

00:12:48.200 Mark,

00:12:48.360 come up here

00:12:48.780 and you and I

00:12:49.360 can go together.

00:12:50.840 Nice.

00:12:51.400 Love it.

00:12:52.440 This case,

00:12:52.920 honestly,

00:12:53.320 this case is actually

00:12:54.660 more about the opening argument.

00:12:56.040 I truly believe that.

00:12:57.580 I think you need

00:12:58.520 to set the juror's mindset

00:13:00.220 from the beginning,

00:13:01.900 what they should be

00:13:02.720 listening for,

00:13:03.800 where the holes

00:13:04.540 in the people's case is,

00:13:06.100 where the evidence

00:13:07.080 that they're not

00:13:07.860 going to hear,

00:13:08.620 they're not going to hear

00:13:09.200 from any law enforcement

00:13:10.140 that things were admitted to,

00:13:12.000 not from any medical doctors

00:13:13.520 that anyone for treatment,

00:13:14.700 not from any psychologists

00:13:15.880 or psychiatrists.

00:13:17.140 There's no DNA,

00:13:18.260 there's no video,

00:13:19.100 there's no audio.

00:13:20.200 It's just them.

00:13:21.720 And you have to just

00:13:22.580 judge their credibility,

00:13:24.140 judge their body language

00:13:25.140 on the stand,

00:13:25.960 listen to all the inconsistencies

00:13:27.460 that are going to come out,

00:13:28.520 and then you tell me

00:13:29.480 whether there's

00:13:29.940 a reasonable doubt.

00:13:31.360 Arthur, I agree with you.

00:13:32.120 I think it starts

00:13:32.720 in jury selection.

00:13:33.700 You go right up

00:13:34.880 to the line

00:13:35.360 of pre-trying your case,

00:13:36.360 take one step back,

00:13:38.000 and that's where

00:13:38.540 you need to be

00:13:39.200 to make sure

00:13:39.860 you get the right yours.

00:13:41.760 This is kind of exciting.

00:13:42.960 Now I'm kind of

00:13:43.580 looking forward to it

00:13:44.240 in a way I hadn't been before.

00:13:45.540 I'm definitely going to swing by.

00:13:46.520 I hope I do get to see

00:13:47.300 your opening.

00:13:48.240 I get all this free advice.

00:13:50.060 Thank you.

00:13:50.580 I get free advice

00:13:51.280 from two groups.

00:13:52.120 I'm excited.

00:13:53.920 All right.

00:13:54.560 So moving on

00:13:55.740 to cases on our docket,

00:13:57.180 I want to kick it off

00:13:57.860 with this case down in Texas.

00:13:59.520 It's so disturbing.

00:14:01.120 These two kids,

00:14:02.940 these two high school kids,

00:14:04.340 like this didn't need to happen.

00:14:07.080 The 17-year-old assailant,

00:14:09.600 Carmelo Anthony,

00:14:10.500 is arrested and charged

00:14:11.660 with murder

00:14:12.320 over the stabbing death

00:14:13.340 of 17-year-old Austin Metcalfe.

00:14:15.620 It happened on April 2nd.

00:14:17.640 Austin and his twin brother

00:14:19.500 and this Carmelo Anthony,

00:14:21.520 who belonged to a different school,

00:14:23.380 were all at a track meet

00:14:25.060 as spectators.

00:14:26.440 And I don't totally understand

00:14:28.860 because I've heard

00:14:29.320 different versions of this,

00:14:30.400 but it appears that

00:14:31.180 at the track meets,

00:14:32.400 they would set up these tarps

00:14:33.700 and then various kids

00:14:35.660 would hang out under the tarps.

00:14:38.000 And Austin and his twin brother

00:14:40.400 and a group from their school

00:14:41.480 were under one tarp.

00:14:42.840 There were many tarps.

00:14:44.160 And Carmelo Anthony,

00:14:45.520 who was from a different school

00:14:47.020 and definitely not part

00:14:48.400 of their posse,

00:14:49.980 came under the tarp

00:14:51.280 and appears to have sat

00:14:53.000 in Austin's seat.

00:14:54.380 Again, the allegations

00:14:56.860 on exactly where he was

00:14:58.440 and what the offense was,

00:15:00.220 it's remained somewhat fuzzy to me,

00:15:02.160 but it was definitely

00:15:02.680 under a tarp at a track meet.

00:15:05.880 And the allegation is that

00:15:08.040 Austin went over to Carmelo,

00:15:11.740 this is from the police report,

00:15:13.220 that Austin went over

00:15:15.740 and Austin told Anthony

00:15:18.600 that he needed to move out

00:15:20.260 from under their team's tent.

00:15:22.280 And Anthony grabbed his bag,

00:15:25.640 again, quoting here,

00:15:26.320 this is a full description,

00:15:27.380 Officer Taylor Wetzel wrote this

00:15:29.740 based on what a witness told him.

00:15:32.400 Then Carmelo Anthony grabbed his bag

00:15:34.220 after being told he had to move

00:15:35.500 and reached inside of it

00:15:37.160 and proceeded to tell Austin,

00:15:38.960 touch me and see what happens.

00:15:40.880 No one really thought Anthony

00:15:42.260 really had a weapon in his bag

00:15:43.740 and Austin proceeded to touch Anthony.

00:15:46.700 And then Anthony told Austin

00:15:48.460 to punch him and see what happens.

00:15:51.160 A short time later, 0.85

00:15:53.060 Austin grabbed Anthony

00:15:54.220 to tell him to move.

00:15:56.320 And Anthony pulled out

00:15:57.480 what was recalled as a black knife

00:16:00.740 and stabbed Austin once in the chest

00:16:03.440 and then ran away.

00:16:05.120 Another officer spoke to two witnesses,

00:16:06.880 one being the victim's twin brother,

00:16:08.240 Hunter Metcalf.

00:16:10.260 They were hysterical.

00:16:11.760 So what we're hearing

00:16:14.380 from Carmelo Anthony's defense lawyer

00:16:16.640 is that they're going to argue

00:16:17.700 this was self-defense.

00:16:19.520 That, you know,

00:16:21.040 he said,

00:16:21.860 touch me and find out what happens.

00:16:24.120 And then Austin touched him

00:16:25.900 and therefore he was in fear

00:16:28.040 and pulled out a knife.

00:16:30.960 I mean, you could argue self-defense

00:16:32.720 if he had pulled out his fists

00:16:34.740 and started punching Austin Metcalf.

00:16:37.380 I don't, we wouldn't be here.

00:16:38.640 The law would not be involved.

00:16:40.480 But Mark, he pulled out a knife 0.90

00:16:42.240 and stabbed him in the chest.

00:16:43.840 And you tell me, 0.90

00:16:45.180 but the law,

00:16:45.580 the self-defense laws in Texas

00:16:47.580 and in all states

00:16:49.320 require proportionality.

00:16:52.500 Of course.

00:16:53.560 And when I, when I said,

00:16:54.520 of course, that's a defense,

00:16:55.480 it's because you're not

00:16:56.360 going to argue insanity

00:16:57.180 and you're not going to argue

00:16:58.260 it was, you know,

00:16:59.320 someone else who did it.

00:17:00.460 You know, it,

00:17:01.160 it's clearly going to be self-defense.

00:17:02.740 And the question is,

00:17:03.680 do the facts rise to the level

00:17:05.420 where he reasonably feared

00:17:07.800 death or great bodily harm

00:17:09.620 from this guy?

00:17:10.340 And that hinges upon really

00:17:12.240 what are the witnesses saying?

00:17:14.240 You know, we don't have

00:17:15.120 all the statements.

00:17:16.540 Maybe there's a few who say

00:17:17.920 that the alleged,

00:17:19.680 that the, that the victim

00:17:20.760 did grab him

00:17:22.240 because I did read

00:17:23.020 that that occurred.

00:17:23.780 I've heard touching.

00:17:24.660 I've heard grabbing.

00:17:25.740 I don't know.

00:17:26.840 But if it was just like you read,

00:17:28.500 I think that that falls short

00:17:30.020 of reasonably believing

00:17:31.820 death or great bodily harm.

00:17:32.800 And here's the other thing.

00:17:33.980 The other thing is

00:17:34.940 he was the instigator.

00:17:36.560 He meaning the defendant.

00:17:39.440 That's a problem

00:17:40.440 when you're the instigator,

00:17:41.600 when then you're

00:17:42.160 the initial aggressor.

00:17:43.780 I think you might lose

00:17:45.080 some protections.

00:17:46.320 Yeah, you can't claim self-defense.

00:17:47.840 That's exactly right.

00:17:48.720 If you started it

00:17:49.640 and the other guy is like,

00:17:51.960 OK, let's go.

00:17:53.700 Then you can't say

00:17:54.880 I had to do it

00:17:55.980 to protect myself.

00:17:56.860 Here is Tim Poole.

00:17:58.420 He's a podcaster, Arthur.

00:18:00.040 He was on his show

00:18:00.940 talking about this.

00:18:02.040 And I'd love to get your reaction

00:18:04.000 to what he says here.

00:18:04.880 Watch.

00:18:06.240 Imagine you are invited

00:18:07.800 to a party

00:18:08.240 at someone else's house

00:18:08.960 and you are legally

00:18:10.140 carrying a firearm.

00:18:11.960 And then a fight breaks out

00:18:13.380 and you are like an altercation

00:18:15.400 breaks out between you

00:18:16.640 and some guy

00:18:17.160 and, you know,

00:18:17.740 there's drinking involved

00:18:18.360 or whatever.

00:18:19.080 I'm not trying to make

00:18:19.900 a one for one scenario.

00:18:20.700 I'm trying to create

00:18:21.320 a potential scenario

00:18:22.340 separate from this one

00:18:23.400 with similarities.

00:18:24.880 You go to a party.

00:18:25.780 Yeah, let's say you go to a party

00:18:26.720 and some guy starts

00:18:28.760 saying stuff like,

00:18:29.780 yo, man, get out of here. 0.99

00:18:30.360 And you're like,

00:18:30.560 I can do what I want.

00:18:31.520 I was invited to the party.

00:18:33.280 Verbal altercation escalates

00:18:35.480 and then the dude,

00:18:36.860 you're standing there

00:18:37.740 and you pull your sweater back

00:18:39.520 and you've got a gun

00:18:40.120 and you put your hand up

00:18:40.780 and say,

00:18:41.400 don't come close to me, bro.

00:18:43.220 I'm warning you right now.

00:18:44.540 Do not come close.

00:18:45.460 Do not take another step.

00:18:46.640 Then the guy grabs your arm

00:18:48.020 and makes a move

00:18:49.200 so you draw your weapon

00:18:50.260 and you use it.

00:18:52.960 Okay, make the argument

00:18:54.100 you have no right

00:18:54.680 to defend yourself

00:18:55.240 when you're being attacked

00:18:55.900 by a guy.

00:18:57.060 Make the argument.

00:18:57.640 By all means,

00:18:58.020 go ahead and do so.

00:18:58.540 I ain't going to do it.

00:18:59.740 That's a ground ball.

00:19:01.580 I mean, that's a law school

00:19:03.380 where you can't.

00:19:04.080 You can't.

00:19:04.320 So, sorry, 0.96

00:19:06.100 you have to get punched 1.00

00:19:06.940 in the face. 1.00

00:19:07.580 You're not allowed

00:19:08.240 to execute someone

00:19:09.400 with a gun 1.00

00:19:10.520 who's going to punch you 1.00

00:19:11.560 in the nose

00:19:12.100 and just the way the law is,

00:19:13.640 I believe,

00:19:13.960 in all 50 states.

00:19:15.040 You just said it, Megan.

00:19:16.100 There's a proportionality.

00:19:19.160 Let me just tell you

00:19:19.960 how this case

00:19:20.560 is going to get handled

00:19:21.360 in Texas

00:19:21.880 with this 17-year-old.

00:19:23.800 Oh, it should get,

00:19:24.700 and this is the reality

00:19:25.740 and Mark will pack me up.

00:19:28.100 Okay, Glash is going

00:19:28.920 to get hired.

00:19:29.440 He's going to get

00:19:30.180 some kind of a child psychologist

00:19:32.240 or child psychiatrist

00:19:34.020 they're going to do

00:19:35.020 a whole buildup

00:19:36.080 of this kid,

00:19:37.040 who he is,

00:19:37.700 where he's from,

00:19:38.200 the defendant I'm talking about,

00:19:39.200 who he is,

00:19:39.760 where he's from,

00:19:40.520 what his background is,

00:19:41.880 any kind of mitigation

00:19:43.400 whatsoever.

00:19:44.560 And then you're going

00:19:45.240 to go in

00:19:45.720 and you're going

00:19:46.120 to sit down

00:19:46.640 with one of the

00:19:47.320 lead prosecutors

00:19:48.320 of the Homicide Bureau

00:19:49.420 in that jurisdiction

00:19:51.960 and you're going

00:19:52.920 to be like,

00:19:53.400 look,

00:19:54.300 you and I know

00:19:55.260 that based on the witnesses,

00:19:56.660 based on the evidence

00:19:57.320 that we have,

00:19:58.500 yes,

00:19:59.000 there's a possibility

00:19:59.780 I could go in front

00:20:00.580 of a jury

00:20:00.880 with a straight face

00:20:01.740 and say self-defense,

00:20:02.980 but that's too big

00:20:03.860 of a risk

00:20:04.280 for a 17-year-old kid

00:20:05.560 who might spend

00:20:06.560 the rest of his life

00:20:07.280 in jail.

00:20:07.880 We're not minimizing

00:20:08.740 the loss of life

00:20:09.560 of another 17-year-old,

00:20:11.480 but let's not try

00:20:12.500 to have two

00:20:13.020 absolute complete tragedies

00:20:15.040 and let's talk

00:20:15.880 about a number,

00:20:16.980 a real number,

00:20:17.880 where the kid's going

00:20:18.560 to spend a lot

00:20:19.120 of time in jail

00:20:19.920 but not the rest

00:20:20.800 of his life in jail,

00:20:21.600 which would probably

00:20:22.380 be the case

00:20:23.060 if he goes to trial

00:20:24.320 and loses

00:20:25.120 and you sit down

00:20:26.100 and two qualified lawyers,

00:20:28.320 very experienced lawyers,

00:20:29.920 with the approval

00:20:30.680 of the judge,

00:20:31.600 work out some sort

00:20:32.300 of plea bargain.

00:20:33.060 This is not,

00:20:33.700 from what we've known,

00:20:34.480 that it is not a trial.

00:20:36.680 But there's a lot

00:20:37.360 behind these two sides

00:20:39.420 right now.

00:20:40.680 People are lining up

00:20:41.960 on both sides

00:20:43.060 of this case.

00:20:44.000 The GoFundMes

00:20:44.760 for each guy

00:20:45.500 are almost exactly

00:20:47.600 the same amount,

00:20:48.460 let's call it 325,000,

00:20:50.140 that people have donated

00:20:50.880 to both

00:20:51.400 because people

00:20:52.480 defending Carmelo Anthony

00:20:53.940 think that this was

00:20:54.840 self-defense

00:20:55.400 and he's getting railroaded

00:20:56.600 potentially because 0.96

00:20:57.260 he's black.

00:20:58.420 And people on the

00:20:59.900 Metcalf family side

00:21:00.960 say this is outrageous.

00:21:02.340 At worst,

00:21:03.260 if you take all

00:21:04.120 the allegations

00:21:04.700 about Austin Metcalf

00:21:06.380 as true,

00:21:08.200 at worst,

00:21:08.780 what he did

00:21:09.260 was put his hands

00:21:10.080 on a guy

00:21:10.560 who refused to leave

00:21:11.900 a section

00:21:12.500 that he wasn't

00:21:14.180 seated in

00:21:14.860 and, you know,

00:21:16.320 put his hands on him

00:21:17.180 at the guy's,

00:21:18.300 you know,

00:21:19.020 invitation to say,

00:21:20.140 you know,

00:21:20.320 try to make me.

00:21:21.060 And you don't get

00:21:22.160 a knife in the heart

00:21:23.640 for that.

00:21:24.900 I'll read you the law

00:21:25.920 on self-defense

00:21:27.420 in Texas.

00:21:28.820 A person is justified

00:21:30.440 in using deadly force

00:21:31.780 against another

00:21:32.860 when and to the degree

00:21:34.220 the actor reasonably

00:21:35.440 believes the deadly force

00:21:36.720 is immediately necessary,

00:21:39.500 A,

00:21:40.140 to protect the actor

00:21:41.620 against the other's

00:21:42.740 use or attempted use

00:21:44.540 of unlawful deadly force.

00:21:48.380 So it's not

00:21:49.100 any kind of force

00:21:50.840 or bodily harm.

00:21:52.400 It's you have to

00:21:53.300 reasonably think

00:21:55.000 that you need

00:21:55.980 to immediately

00:21:57.020 use deadly force

00:21:59.220 to prevent

00:21:59.920 unlawful deadly force

00:22:01.700 against you

00:22:02.340 or,

00:22:03.500 and here,

00:22:03.880 okay,

00:22:04.080 let's see,

00:22:04.420 maybe Carmelo,

00:22:05.120 Anthony has something

00:22:06.460 under the orb clause,

00:22:08.000 to prevent the others

00:22:09.880 imminent commission

00:22:11.560 of aggravated kidnapping,

00:22:14.300 murder,

00:22:15.140 sexual assault,

00:22:16.520 aggravated sexual assault,

00:22:18.460 robbery,

00:22:19.140 or aggravated robbery.

00:22:20.640 Not even aggravated assault

00:22:22.540 is listed there.

00:22:24.460 So there's nothing.

00:22:26.620 Yeah, no,

00:22:27.460 Arthur was 100% correct,

00:22:29.800 articulate,

00:22:30.560 passionate

00:22:30.920 in exactly assessing

00:22:32.580 how this is going to go down

00:22:33.740 if this is being handled reasonably.

00:22:35.540 Whether it's me representing him

00:22:36.960 or someone else,

00:22:37.880 you don't take the risk

00:22:39.220 of going to trial

00:22:40.060 with these facts,

00:22:41.100 assuming there's no additional facts

00:22:43.020 we don't know about.

00:22:43.860 Like,

00:22:44.080 did the kid say, 1.00

00:22:44.980 I'm going to kill you now 1.00

00:22:46.080 and then, 1.00

00:22:46.500 then he stabs him. 0.99

00:22:47.780 And then, 0.95

00:22:48.360 and I'm making stuff up.

00:22:49.320 I don't know.

00:22:50.440 You'll sit down

00:22:51.120 with a prosecutor,

00:22:51.940 after you have

00:22:53.000 your client evaluated,

00:22:54.120 if the prosecutors

00:22:55.320 aren't playing ball

00:22:56.160 and giving you

00:22:56.620 a reasonable outcome,

00:22:57.880 maybe you like the judge,

00:22:59.140 the judge is compassionate

00:22:59.980 and reasonable,

00:23:00.800 you look for some type

00:23:01.580 of downward departure

00:23:02.700 below what he would

00:23:04.120 normally be getting,

00:23:05.300 and you look for some

00:23:06.080 compassion from the judge.

00:23:07.420 But politics

00:23:08.180 will play a huge role

00:23:09.480 in this case.

00:23:10.560 And Megan,

00:23:11.320 in terms of the GoFundMe stuff,

00:23:12.780 the biggest joke

00:23:14.380 about the GoFundMe stuff

00:23:15.500 has got to do

00:23:15.980 with that kid,

00:23:16.500 Luigi Mangione,

00:23:17.480 who executed

00:23:18.320 the executive,

00:23:19.860 and the women 1.00

00:23:21.160 are sending him letters.

00:23:23.000 People are saying,

00:23:24.120 oh,

00:23:24.580 he's got a chance

00:23:25.780 to try out.

00:23:26.200 People are into him.

00:23:27.060 Yeah.

00:23:27.460 Wait until those 12 jurors

00:23:28.740 see the deceased wife 0.84

00:23:30.460 on the witness stand

00:23:31.360 who has to identify

00:23:32.140 the body

00:23:32.760 and talk about

00:23:33.680 how her kids

00:23:34.280 missed their father

00:23:35.120 and they watch that video

00:23:36.420 of him executing him,

00:23:37.480 the shooting over 0.59

00:23:38.280 and over and over again.

00:23:40.500 Stop it.

00:23:41.020 It's not going to happen.

00:23:42.200 Yeah.

00:23:42.460 We're just not going

00:23:43.000 to get to that.

00:23:43.360 And I don't,

00:23:43.760 I just said,

00:23:44.140 we're not going to get

00:23:44.540 to the point

00:23:44.840 in this country

00:23:45.240 where what's foreseeable

00:23:47.720 is a knife to the heart

00:23:48.940 amongst 17-year-old boys

00:23:51.160 who are scuffling,

00:23:52.580 even arguing impolitely.

00:23:54.060 I don't know exactly

00:23:54.720 what happened.

00:23:55.200 We'll find out

00:23:55.720 over a seat

00:23:56.520 at a track meet.

00:23:57.820 Like,

00:23:58.020 that's just,

00:23:58.840 no one is going

00:23:59.740 to interpret the law

00:24:00.640 to say it was

00:24:01.520 a reasonable response

00:24:03.020 because that's what

00:24:03.480 self-defense is trying

00:24:04.220 to factor in.

00:24:05.120 Was your response

00:24:05.780 reasonable

00:24:06.200 under the circumstances?

00:24:07.000 You know,

00:24:07.740 Texas has got

00:24:08.940 the castle doctrine

00:24:09.920 where you don't,

00:24:10.940 you don't have to retreat.

00:24:11.900 Somebody comes into your home,

00:24:12.780 you got your gun, 1.00

00:24:13.360 you can shoot them. 1.00

00:24:14.380 So, 1.00

00:24:14.760 this isn't that.

00:24:15.840 This is not that.

00:24:17.240 This kid

00:24:18.040 got asked a question,

00:24:20.220 you know,

00:24:20.440 please leave

00:24:21.060 or told to leave

00:24:21.760 and he started

00:24:23.220 to threaten,

00:24:24.040 make me.

00:24:25.280 And Austin

00:24:26.000 allegedly put hands

00:24:26.960 on him

00:24:27.300 and he stabbed him 0.99

00:24:28.100 through the heart. 0.98

00:24:28.580 In no world

00:24:29.060 is that going

00:24:29.400 to qualify

00:24:29.780 as self-defense.

00:24:32.520 I'll let

00:24:33.180 Andrew Branca,

00:24:34.520 Branca,

00:24:34.980 he's been on the show

00:24:35.480 many times

00:24:35.960 in connection

00:24:36.380 with the Kyle Rittenhouse

00:24:37.200 case.

00:24:38.220 He's got a whole blog

00:24:40.020 called Law of Self-Defense.

00:24:41.900 He's very pro-Second Amendment.

00:24:43.280 He took a look

00:24:43.920 at the police report.

00:24:44.700 Here's what he said,

00:24:45.320 SOT 7.

00:24:46.820 Austin,

00:24:47.900 the victim,

00:24:49.460 had told Anthony,

00:24:50.420 the stabber,

00:24:51.060 that he needed

00:24:51.500 to move out

00:24:52.120 from under the team's tent

00:24:53.360 and Anthony grabbed

00:24:54.900 his bag,

00:24:55.640 opened it,

00:24:56.240 and reached inside

00:24:57.260 and proceeded

00:24:58.360 to tell Austin,

00:24:59.940 touch me

00:25:00.500 and see what happens.

00:25:02.360 No one really thought

00:25:03.520 Anthony really had

00:25:04.440 any weapons

00:25:04.940 in his bag

00:25:05.560 and Austin proceeded

00:25:06.560 to touch Anthony

00:25:07.980 and then Anthony

00:25:08.920 told Austin

00:25:10.260 to punch him 0.99

00:25:11.280 and see what happens. 0.99

00:25:13.560 This is provocation

00:25:14.680 with intent, folks.

00:25:16.620 These are facts

00:25:17.320 I had not heard before.

00:25:19.940 The stabber

00:25:20.740 is provoking

00:25:22.680 the victim

00:25:24.240 to use force

00:25:25.920 for the purpose

00:25:27.460 of being able

00:25:29.180 to inflict

00:25:29.920 deadly force 0.97

00:25:30.880 upon him.

00:25:32.440 That's the most

00:25:33.420 severe form

00:25:34.240 of provocation,

00:25:35.160 provocation with intent,

00:25:36.260 and loses you

00:25:37.960 self-defense

00:25:39.080 as a legal defense.

00:25:40.460 These are bad facts

00:25:41.740 for Carmelo Anthony.

00:25:45.080 This is what

00:25:45.820 you were saying, Mark,

00:25:46.580 because the second part

00:25:47.920 of that statute

00:25:48.940 that I read

00:25:50.100 that speaks to deadly force

00:25:51.500 in defense of person

00:25:52.400 reads,

00:25:53.360 the actor's belief,

00:25:54.700 you know,

00:25:54.940 that you're about to face

00:25:55.940 deadly bodily harm,

00:25:57.760 deadly bodily harm,

00:25:59.040 that the belief

00:26:01.180 that the deadly force

00:26:02.740 was immediately necessary

00:26:03.860 as described above

00:26:04.920 is presumed to be reasonable

00:26:06.820 if the actor

00:26:07.740 did not provoke

00:26:09.500 the person

00:26:10.260 against whom

00:26:11.300 the force was used.

00:26:13.840 So that provocation,

00:26:14.880 he's saying,

00:26:15.300 he's saying,

00:26:15.880 make me,

00:26:16.740 you know,

00:26:16.960 make me,

00:26:17.460 is provocation.

00:26:19.240 I'm going to argue

00:26:19.280 the other side of this

00:26:20.260 because,

00:26:21.300 not legally,

00:26:22.700 legally we've already

00:26:23.500 done the analysis

00:26:25.560 on it and it's solid,

00:26:27.200 but you put people

00:26:28.060 in the box in Texas,

00:26:29.480 okay,

00:26:29.800 we would think

00:26:31.220 without knowing

00:26:32.000 that,

00:26:32.380 you know,

00:26:33.200 there's 300,000 plus dollars

00:26:35.220 being donated

00:26:35.920 to the defendant's fund

00:26:37.500 that there couldn't be

00:26:38.780 anyone supporting

00:26:39.820 this type of activity,

00:26:40.860 but that shows

00:26:42.960 what we're talking about here.

00:26:44.820 You go to a jury trial,

00:26:46.780 there may be a few people

00:26:48.460 who just say,

00:26:49.140 I don't care what the facts are

00:26:50.480 or those facts are enough for me,

00:26:51.860 he reasonably feared

00:26:52.880 or else he wouldn't have

00:26:53.700 stabbed him.

00:26:54.740 I'm telling you, 0.99

00:26:55.560 it's not a slam dunk

00:26:56.700 jury trial

00:26:57.760 because of

00:26:59.060 who's going to sit

00:27:00.080 on this jury.

00:27:02.140 Well,

00:27:02.740 not only that,

00:27:03.720 but unfortunately,

00:27:04.960 the internet has done

00:27:05.840 its thing

00:27:06.340 and they have tried

00:27:07.860 to paint the victim here,

00:27:09.280 Austin Metcalf,

00:27:11.220 as a white supremacist

00:27:13.560 for which there is

00:27:14.700 zero support. 0.97

00:27:16.520 It's ridiculous. 0.74

00:27:17.380 They're circulating

00:27:17.900 pictures of Austin

00:27:19.460 and his twin brother

00:27:20.720 wearing camouflage

00:27:21.600 and holding guns,

00:27:22.780 like going out hunting,

00:27:24.240 juxtaposed with Anthony

00:27:25.420 in a suit

00:27:26.840 and this very popular

00:27:29.040 guy on X

00:27:31.900 calls him a suspected

00:27:33.720 white supremacist.

00:27:35.320 A suspected white supremacist? 0.70

00:27:37.060 No, I mean,

00:27:37.940 honestly,

00:27:38.460 you could get sued

00:27:39.480 for this, sir.

00:27:40.420 Like, you seriously

00:27:40.980 could get sued.

00:27:41.700 And by the way,

00:27:43.120 there are lots of pictures

00:27:44.360 of Carmelo Anthony

00:27:45.380 holding a gun

00:27:46.580 and holding up

00:27:47.540 the middle finger

00:27:48.360 and trying to look 0.75

00:27:49.280 like a thug

00:27:50.020 on the internet too.

00:27:51.980 But this is

00:27:53.100 what the prosecutor

00:27:54.580 is going to have

00:27:55.040 to deal with too

00:27:55.740 when he's trying

00:27:56.400 to pick a jury, right?

00:27:58.460 Have you seen

00:27:59.200 these posts suggesting

00:28:00.280 that the decedent

00:28:01.800 is some sort

00:28:02.600 of a white supremacist? 0.98

00:28:03.940 It's a lie, 0.91

00:28:04.800 but it's out there.

00:28:05.980 You can't say that.

00:28:06.840 You don't want

00:28:07.240 to put it out there,

00:28:08.080 so you have to be

00:28:08.440 more delicate

00:28:08.940 as a prosecutor.

00:28:09.900 What have you seen?

00:28:11.260 And let's go sidebar 0.95

00:28:12.260 to discuss it

00:28:13.000 so that doesn't come out

00:28:15.140 the minute they hear

00:28:15.980 that he might be 0.97

00:28:16.740 a white supremacist.

00:28:17.560 Now you've, 0.67

00:28:18.100 you know,

00:28:18.960 infected the jury.

00:28:20.120 And by the way,

00:28:22.420 I mean,

00:28:22.580 just for the record,

00:28:23.560 even if he were

00:28:24.120 a white supremacist, 0.76

00:28:24.980 again, 0.96

00:28:25.340 zero,

00:28:25.840 zero,

00:28:26.200 zero evidence

00:28:26.820 to that effect

00:28:27.280 that you still

00:28:28.900 can't stick a knife 0.97

00:28:29.520 in his heart.

00:28:30.160 You still can't.

00:28:31.340 Right.

00:28:32.020 And it would actually

00:28:33.060 probably,

00:28:33.540 it would be irrelevant.

00:28:34.520 It wouldn't come out

00:28:35.140 and it's not relevant

00:28:36.280 to the case.

00:28:37.120 I mean,

00:28:37.400 unless someone said

00:28:38.320 he threw out

00:28:39.180 a racial slur

00:28:40.060 or something like that,

00:28:41.020 that would be different.

00:28:42.240 But I would argue

00:28:42.920 as a defense attorney,

00:28:44.960 how is that relevant

00:28:45.760 if he's Catholic,

00:28:46.680 if he's Jewish, 0.94

00:28:47.360 if he's a white supremacist,

00:28:48.640 or if he's part

00:28:49.500 of Black Lives Matter?

00:28:50.680 It doesn't matter.

00:28:51.400 That's not part

00:28:52.080 of this case.

00:28:53.340 Unless.

00:28:53.580 Unless.

00:28:53.600 I think we throw 0.96

00:28:54.140 white supremacists 0.84

00:28:55.040 on the list 0.62

00:28:55.640 of being Catholic

00:28:56.440 or Jewish.

00:28:57.100 What?

00:28:58.060 Well,

00:28:58.300 I mean,

00:28:58.600 none of that stuff

00:28:59.860 comes into the trial.

00:29:01.480 I know,

00:29:01.660 but I'm just saying

00:29:02.260 it's not like

00:29:02.640 an acceptable

00:29:03.760 religious choice

00:29:04.700 right after Catholicism 0.96

00:29:05.860 and Judaism.

00:29:07.080 Okay,

00:29:07.400 okay,

00:29:07.840 Maggie,

00:29:08.080 give me a break.

00:29:08.680 I'm over here,

00:29:09.220 I'm in trial prep.

00:29:10.200 I'm doing the best

00:29:10.780 I can under the circumstances.

00:29:12.600 I'm very defensive

00:29:13.620 of my Catholic faith

00:29:14.540 right now

00:29:14.860 because my kids

00:29:15.260 are about to be confirmed.

00:29:16.300 So I've been going

00:29:16.980 to the retreats.

00:29:17.960 I'm at my most holy

00:29:19.040 except for my life.

00:29:20.160 Well,

00:29:20.300 if you notice,

00:29:20.900 if you notice

00:29:21.360 Ike Larson's outfits,

00:29:23.160 he's got the pink

00:29:24.140 and the purple.

00:29:24.840 I mean,

00:29:24.940 he is ready to walk

00:29:25.820 out in the Easter parade

00:29:26.920 here in Fifth Avenue.

00:29:29.700 He's our own little bunny.

00:29:32.140 I'm glad

00:29:32.860 that I don't celebrate Easter.

00:29:34.180 The price of eggs

00:29:34.840 are too high,

00:29:35.820 record high.

00:29:37.120 We just did a fact check

00:29:38.660 on that,

00:29:39.040 on the AM update

00:29:39.920 on egg prices

00:29:40.600 for those of you interested.

00:29:42.000 Okay,

00:29:42.380 let's move on.

00:29:43.420 So,

00:29:44.020 Brian Kohlberger,

00:29:45.100 this trial's

00:29:46.340 going to go down

00:29:47.280 in August.

00:29:48.080 It's happening

00:29:48.560 for real.

00:29:49.760 And,

00:29:50.000 you've got Judge

00:29:52.700 Hippler,

00:29:54.100 hip,

00:29:54.960 hip,

00:29:55.720 with a P,

00:29:56.880 double P,

00:29:57.660 it's so close.

00:30:00.340 He was going,

00:30:00.860 the new judge

00:30:01.540 and the defense attorney,

00:30:03.980 Ann Taylor,

00:30:04.940 yes,

00:30:05.220 that's her name,

00:30:06.140 is now maneuvering

00:30:07.620 to suggest

00:30:10.280 at trial

00:30:10.980 that there were

00:30:11.980 two assailants

00:30:13.480 who killed

00:30:14.180 these four Idaho

00:30:15.680 college students

00:30:16.860 within the course

00:30:17.660 of what we believe

00:30:18.500 is 12 to 17 minutes,

00:30:22.000 22 at the outside,

00:30:23.760 but more like 12 minutes

00:30:25.720 that two men

00:30:27.560 went into

00:30:28.520 that Idaho house

00:30:29.780 that night

00:30:30.320 and killed

00:30:31.480 Kaylee Gonsalves

00:30:32.840 and Maddie Mogan

00:30:33.880 and Ethan Chapin

00:30:35.180 and Zanna Kurnodel,

00:30:36.800 not Brian Kohlberger,

00:30:38.540 who was a student

00:30:39.720 at University of Washington

00:30:41.500 and a TA

00:30:42.340 getting his PhD

00:30:43.660 in criminology.

00:30:46.660 Here's

00:30:47.140 a little bit

00:30:48.100 of Ann Taylor

00:30:48.680 talking about

00:30:49.600 the expert witness

00:30:50.740 she's going to put on

00:30:52.040 to that effect

00:30:52.580 or wants to put on.

00:30:54.840 We are...

00:30:55.780 Didn't you produce

00:30:56.480 an expert

00:30:56.820 who said that

00:30:57.600 it would have required

00:31:01.140 two people

00:31:01.600 to commit the crime?

00:31:04.720 Your Honor,

00:31:05.460 we have produced

00:31:06.860 an expert

00:31:07.500 that believes

00:31:08.840 that it's likely

00:31:10.880 that there were

00:31:11.880 two people,

00:31:13.020 two weapons.

00:31:15.280 And she goes on

00:31:16.360 to say,

00:31:16.700 we came across

00:31:17.400 a tip

00:31:17.940 that would

00:31:19.200 appear to be

00:31:20.860 an alternate suspect.

00:31:23.000 We're trying to work

00:31:24.000 through that

00:31:24.380 as rapidly

00:31:24.880 as we can.

00:31:26.440 And Judge

00:31:26.920 Hitler 0.78

00:31:27.360 said he would

00:31:28.160 set a May deadline

00:31:28.900 for the defense

00:31:29.520 to present evidence

00:31:30.660 of an alternate suspect.

00:31:32.000 So why are they doing that?

00:31:33.200 Why is she showing them?

00:31:34.160 You know,

00:31:34.300 whenever you...

00:31:34.800 I'm on a Michael Connelly

00:31:36.000 tear right now

00:31:36.580 reading all of his

00:31:37.180 legal thrillers.

00:31:38.500 The defense,

00:31:39.860 aren't they supposed

00:31:40.340 to surprise the prosecution

00:31:41.600 with something like this?

00:31:42.480 What I like...

00:31:43.340 You have to disclose

00:31:44.260 every card

00:31:45.020 you're going to play

00:31:45.480 at trial?

00:31:47.160 Sometimes you do,

00:31:48.240 Maggie.

00:31:48.580 I mean,

00:31:48.880 something like...

00:31:49.320 Like when it comes

00:31:49.920 to experts,

00:31:50.680 especially when it comes

00:31:51.560 to experts,

00:31:52.280 you have to...

00:31:52.800 There's a...

00:31:53.420 In New York,

00:31:53.980 there's a very strict

00:31:54.780 requirement

00:31:56.280 because you play

00:31:57.580 the game of the experts.

00:31:58.600 You got to let them know

00:31:59.200 who your expert is

00:32:00.200 and give them an offer

00:32:01.260 of proof,

00:32:01.840 basically,

00:32:02.460 about what they're

00:32:03.460 going to testify.

00:32:04.480 And then they get to go

00:32:05.320 get their own expert

00:32:06.300 to contradict

00:32:07.500 what your expert

00:32:08.480 is saying.

00:32:09.560 I mean,

00:32:10.080 it usually doesn't

00:32:10.700 hold true

00:32:11.180 for private investigators,

00:32:12.720 but if you're

00:32:14.320 introducing a whole new

00:32:15.420 theory to the case,

00:32:17.260 you may not be

00:32:17.960 obligated under the law

00:32:19.560 to do that,

00:32:20.900 but a judge usually

00:32:21.740 doesn't like to get caught

00:32:22.960 by surprise.

00:32:24.580 So I don't know

00:32:25.200 if that particular

00:32:25.880 jurisdiction...

00:32:27.300 I can tell you

00:32:27.980 for an alibi witness,

00:32:29.340 if you're in New York,

00:32:31.260 if you're saying,

00:32:32.020 my guy wasn't

00:32:32.720 at the scene,

00:32:33.440 he was in

00:32:34.560 Rhode Island

00:32:35.480 at the time

00:32:36.000 that it took place.

00:32:36.760 Which she is.

00:32:37.400 In a certain amount

00:32:38.220 of time,

00:32:39.000 there's a certain amount

00:32:40.180 of time

00:32:40.700 where you have to say,

00:32:42.400 my client was not there

00:32:43.800 and they were elsewhere.

00:32:45.160 She alleged

00:32:45.920 he was out stargazing

00:32:47.340 that night.

00:32:48.200 It was just a lovely night

00:32:49.100 for stargazing

00:32:50.140 and that was their

00:32:50.740 quote,

00:32:51.120 alibi.

00:32:51.980 Here's the other point

00:32:52.820 in this case, Mark.

00:32:54.920 The defense

00:32:56.260 moved

00:32:57.040 to bar

00:32:57.740 the prosecution

00:32:58.540 from using

00:32:59.240 the terms

00:32:59.800 psychopath

00:33:00.460 and sociopath 1.00

00:33:02.180 before the jurors.

00:33:04.600 They actually

00:33:05.740 also didn't want

00:33:06.940 the prosecution

00:33:07.520 to use the term

00:33:08.680 murderer.

00:33:10.580 The judge

00:33:11.660 left open

00:33:12.360 the possibility

00:33:13.080 that the prosecution

00:33:14.160 could use

00:33:14.960 the word murderer

00:33:15.860 during closing arguments,

00:33:19.000 but I think

00:33:19.860 is still considering

00:33:21.160 on psychopath

00:33:22.120 or sociopath.

00:33:23.140 But what kind

00:33:24.000 of motion is this?

00:33:25.100 Since when

00:33:25.760 can the prosecution

00:33:26.460 not say,

00:33:27.680 he's a murderer?

00:33:28.680 That's what

00:33:29.040 we're all doing here.

00:33:31.120 Okay,

00:33:31.560 so this is,

00:33:33.100 you have to imagine

00:33:33.940 he's going to be convicted

00:33:34.880 and then there's

00:33:35.760 going to be

00:33:36.420 always an attack

00:33:37.760 on what the lawyers

00:33:38.840 could have

00:33:39.540 or should have done

00:33:40.360 and also the lawyers

00:33:41.320 want to win.

00:33:42.220 So there's no harm

00:33:43.080 and don't take offense

00:33:43.900 with lawyers

00:33:44.520 filing motions

00:33:45.860 and for the judge

00:33:46.860 to consider it.

00:33:48.320 Calling him

00:33:48.800 a murderer,

00:33:49.820 I would argue,

00:33:50.840 is unfair

00:33:51.520 until and unless

00:33:52.660 closing argument occurs

00:33:54.020 when they then

00:33:54.920 have proven

00:33:55.660 that he did

00:33:56.580 commit murder.

00:33:57.720 That's number one.

00:33:58.780 The other thing, 0.97

00:33:59.460 sociopath, 1.00

00:34:00.360 psychopath, 0.98

00:34:01.000 any words 0.70

00:34:01.460 they want to come up with,

00:34:02.400 if that's not proven,

00:34:03.880 if that hasn't ever

00:34:05.120 been proven as a fact,

00:34:06.980 it would be unfair,

00:34:08.580 one would argue.

00:34:09.800 Jurors would think

00:34:10.580 that if those terms

00:34:11.780 apply to him,

00:34:12.540 it's more likely 0.99

00:34:13.220 that he is a murderer. 0.65

00:34:14.300 So I know why

00:34:15.020 the defense would not

00:34:15.980 want those things heard.

00:34:17.240 And if there's not

00:34:17.780 evidence to support it,

00:34:18.640 the judge shouldn't

00:34:19.160 let it in.

00:34:20.280 It's just prejudicial

00:34:21.280 of the movie

00:34:22.300 Jagged Edge.

00:34:23.500 Right?

00:34:23.760 It was one of the

00:34:24.600 greatest legal thrillers

00:34:25.820 ever.

00:34:26.260 You guys remember

00:34:26.620 that movie?

00:34:27.080 So good.

00:34:27.640 If the listening audience

00:34:28.320 hasn't seen it.

00:34:28.820 With Glenn Close,

00:34:30.400 right,

00:34:30.820 and Jeff Bridges,

00:34:32.200 so good.

00:34:33.500 And in the closing argument,

00:34:35.860 and I won't get into

00:34:36.980 exactly all of it,

00:34:38.900 but in the closing argument,

00:34:40.500 there's that great lawyer

00:34:41.660 and he said

00:34:42.280 something to the effect of, 0.99

00:34:43.940 he's a sociopath. 0.99

00:34:46.660 He is an ice man. 0.99

00:34:49.080 And I was like,

00:34:49.920 oh, right?

00:34:50.600 So like,

00:34:51.080 I think that's how it went down.

00:34:52.200 He might have been

00:34:52.580 saying it out of court.

00:34:53.320 But my point is simply,

00:34:54.980 prosecutors make these arguments.

00:34:57.760 I would be happy.

00:34:59.660 That's in the movies.

00:35:00.440 As a prosecutor,

00:35:00.880 Arthur's saying, 1.00

00:35:01.260 he's a sociopath. 0.99

00:35:02.800 He went into that house 1.00

00:35:03.740 and took the lies of four.

00:35:04.940 Why couldn't you argue that?

00:35:07.620 Well, first of all,

00:35:08.700 the judge has ruled

00:35:09.880 in this case

00:35:10.400 that it will give them leeway

00:35:11.980 in their closing arguments.

00:35:13.300 But that's prejudicial

00:35:14.780 and conclusory statements

00:35:16.920 by the prosecutor.

00:35:18.460 It's the jury's job

00:35:19.860 to determine

00:35:20.680 whether he's a murderer.

00:35:22.320 Like in the Harvey Weinstein case,

00:35:23.780 I'm objecting to them

00:35:24.860 calling these women

00:35:25.500 You lost touch

00:35:26.580 with the prosecutor.

00:35:27.600 I'm talking to you people.

00:35:30.000 You got to be able to,

00:35:34.240 I totally disagree.

00:35:35.540 You can argue the same.

00:35:37.600 You can say 0.99

00:35:38.160 he is a sociopath. 0.85

00:35:39.700 He has no feelings 1.00

00:35:41.080 about taking the lies of others.

00:35:43.060 Hold on, hold on.

00:35:44.460 Markle back me up.

00:35:45.640 Markle back me up.

00:35:46.420 The judge ruled properly here.

00:35:48.060 A prosecutor

00:35:48.640 should not call

00:35:50.060 a defendant a sociopath. 0.55

00:35:51.620 That's almost reversible error.

00:35:53.380 You can't.

00:35:53.760 In a closing argument.

00:35:54.360 You're testifying.

00:35:55.400 Megan, Megan,

00:35:56.340 because it's not an opinion.

00:35:58.400 You are,

00:35:59.260 you, you,

00:35:59.960 to be, 1.00

00:36:00.380 to be a sociopath 0.99

00:36:01.340 or a psychopath,

00:36:02.720 there has to be proof,

00:36:04.300 meaning someone analyzed him.

00:36:06.220 That wasn't done.

00:36:07.460 What do you mean you need that?

00:36:07.900 That's such a prejudicial term.

00:36:09.600 I really disagree.

00:36:10.300 I think you,

00:36:11.100 when you,

00:36:11.400 if you can prove

00:36:12.140 that this guy

00:36:12.740 took the lives

00:36:13.300 of four college students

00:36:14.160 in 12 minutes

00:36:14.920 with single-handedly

00:36:15.800 with a serrated edge knife

00:36:18.260 and then walked out

00:36:19.660 and went home

00:36:20.420 and took a selfie of himself

00:36:21.680 with his little white shirt on

00:36:23.300 and a thumbs up,

00:36:24.500 it's fair to say 0.96

00:36:25.740 he's a murderer, 1.00

00:36:27.400 he's a sociopath. 1.00

00:36:29.320 Don't let him 1.00

00:36:30.160 walk the streets. 0.94

00:36:32.060 Murderer, yes,

00:36:32.880 in closing,

00:36:33.480 once it's been proven

00:36:34.320 that he has no feelings,

00:36:36.620 that he,

00:36:37.000 all the things

00:36:37.700 that you said

00:36:38.380 except for that term,

00:36:40.300 which there's been no evidence,

00:36:42.180 it's conclusory,

00:36:43.040 there's no expert

00:36:44.040 testimony of it.

00:36:45.740 No, it's so long,

00:36:47.480 Megan,

00:36:47.620 it's so long.

00:36:48.960 I forget of Mark,

00:36:50.020 I was a prosecutor

00:36:50.800 for five years.

00:36:52.220 I got in trouble

00:36:53.300 as a prosecutor.

00:36:54.080 You went too native 1.00

00:36:55.720 on the defense attorney years.

00:36:58.000 Okay, let's move on.

00:36:58.600 I actually don't know.

00:36:59.560 You're probably right, 0.99

00:37:00.700 but I think it's stupid. 1.00

00:37:02.420 We'll try it twice. 0.99

00:37:03.440 We'll do it your way

00:37:04.220 and then the next time

00:37:05.060 when they reverse it,

00:37:05.780 we'll come back

00:37:06.260 and do it our way.

00:37:06.640 We definitely don't want that.

00:37:08.080 Okay, now this might be

00:37:09.620 my favorite one of the day,

00:37:11.660 the Blake Lively story.

00:37:13.860 This is so interesting to me.

00:37:15.620 So as the audience knows,

00:37:17.800 there's this death match

00:37:20.700 going on between Blake Lively

00:37:22.640 and Justin Baldoni

00:37:23.940 with whom she made the movie

00:37:25.200 It Ends With Us,

00:37:26.160 a film about domestic abuse.

00:37:27.940 She tried to claim

00:37:29.120 that he sexually harassed her on set.

00:37:31.060 He hired my lawyer,

00:37:32.760 Brian Friedman,

00:37:35.200 from my dispute with NBC

00:37:37.060 and fought back like fiercely

00:37:40.880 saying I never harassed her

00:37:43.480 a single day. 1.00

00:37:45.280 She's a psychopath 1.00

00:37:46.140 and she's made this stuff up. 1.00

00:37:49.260 She's making this stuff up

00:37:50.500 because she wanted to rest

00:37:51.660 control of the movie away from me

00:37:53.160 and I let her to a large extent,

00:37:56.780 but not to the extent she wanted.

00:37:58.420 And ultimately,

00:37:59.060 she did get control of the movie 0.57

00:38:00.280 and then tried to ruin my life.

00:38:01.960 So that's kind of where it is.

00:38:04.740 Cross suits.

00:38:06.240 He sued the New York Times

00:38:07.420 for defamation too

00:38:08.420 because they wrote

00:38:09.100 a very sympathetic article

00:38:10.280 about her

00:38:11.100 and what a victim she is.

00:38:12.680 Well, one of her allegations

00:38:14.420 was that,

00:38:16.140 well, let me show you the scene.

00:38:17.140 We cut it.

00:38:18.960 Part of it.

00:38:19.740 It's where her character

00:38:20.760 gives birth in the movie

00:38:21.940 It Ends With Us.

00:38:22.700 Now, let's just watch it first.

00:38:27.840 Listing audience,

00:38:28.960 you can see her belly.

00:38:30.240 She's got the legs spread. 1.00

00:38:31.900 He comes in.

00:38:32.740 He's holding her hand.

00:38:34.500 She's acting like a pregnant lady 1.00

00:38:35.640 delivering a baby.

00:38:38.040 Except she's smiling,

00:38:39.180 which isn't realistic.

00:38:41.160 I was going to say,

00:38:42.060 she's free at me.

00:38:44.040 He's touching her hand.

00:38:46.260 That's not how my wife acted. 1.00

00:38:47.540 I was going to say,

00:38:48.080 Marianne did not look that way, Megan.

00:38:49.820 Marianne did not look that way.

00:38:51.540 It was my fault.

00:38:52.400 I was getting hit. 1.00

00:38:54.120 I was called stupid. 1.00

00:38:55.540 I was called a very stupid man. 1.00

00:38:59.060 Then I got to perform surgery 1.00

00:39:00.740 by cutting the umbilical cord.

00:39:03.200 I've never gone to med school.

00:39:04.800 Oh, there we go.

00:39:05.320 He's cutting the umbilical cord.

00:39:07.040 Okay, but for about two seconds,

00:39:08.960 there's a doctor down,

00:39:10.700 you know,

00:39:11.060 what comedian was it?

00:39:12.260 Johnny Bench.

00:39:12.920 Like Johnny Bench

00:39:13.760 in between the legs 0.97

00:39:14.700 getting ready to catch the baby.

00:39:16.760 Was it Bill Cosby?

00:39:17.840 Who was it who did that bit?

00:39:19.440 Anyway.

00:39:20.480 Uh,

00:39:21.080 so her complaint 0.78

00:39:22.900 alleges

00:39:24.540 that that was one of the moments

00:39:26.220 in which she got harassed

00:39:28.020 because she says

00:39:29.360 she was,

00:39:30.700 here,

00:39:30.840 I'll read you

00:39:31.340 from the lawsuit.

00:39:33.480 On the day of shooting that scene,

00:39:36.180 Mr. Baldoni

00:39:36.740 and his business partner,

00:39:37.540 Mr. Heath,

00:39:38.000 suddenly pressured Ms. Lively 0.96

00:39:39.440 to simulate full nudity

00:39:41.240 despite no mention of nudity

00:39:42.580 for this scene

00:39:43.100 in the script,

00:39:44.020 in her contract,

00:39:44.680 or previous discussions.

00:39:46.120 Claimed that Baldoni

00:39:46.900 insisted that women 1.00

00:39:48.100 do give birth naked. 0.66

00:39:50.340 I mean,

00:39:51.120 do they?

00:39:51.840 Other than like a water birth,

00:39:53.140 like what woman is like, 1.00

00:39:54.380 yeah,

00:39:54.560 take it off,

00:39:55.300 take it all off.

00:39:56.440 Woo! 0.99

00:39:56.880 No,

00:39:57.080 that's not what happens in there.

00:39:58.740 You got your gown

00:39:59.620 and the gown,

00:40:00.480 they hike it up,

00:40:01.040 but you got a little something on.

00:40:02.620 Okay,

00:40:03.000 anyway.

00:40:03.880 He insisted that women 1.00

00:40:04.820 give birth naked, 0.74

00:40:06.080 to which she disagreed,

00:40:07.520 but felt forced

00:40:08.520 into a compromise

00:40:09.880 that she would be naked

00:40:11.320 from below the chest.

00:40:13.280 When the birth scene

00:40:14.060 was filmed,

00:40:14.640 the set was chaotic,

00:40:15.840 crowded,

00:40:16.260 she says,

00:40:16.840 and utterly lacking

00:40:17.720 in standard industry protections

00:40:19.040 for filming nude scenes.

00:40:21.840 Baldoni failed

00:40:22.780 to close the set,

00:40:24.680 allowing non-essential crew

00:40:25.720 to pass through,

00:40:26.400 while Ms. Lively

00:40:26.920 was partially nude

00:40:27.660 from below the chest,

00:40:29.100 down,

00:40:29.880 with her legs spread,

00:40:31.300 spread wide in stirrups,

00:40:32.880 and only a small piece of fabric 0.93

00:40:34.820 covering her genitalia. 0.95

00:40:36.920 Ms. Lively 0.73

00:40:37.380 was not provided

00:40:38.120 with anything

00:40:38.940 with which to cover herself

00:40:40.400 between takes

00:40:41.140 until after she had made

00:40:42.420 multiple requests.

00:40:43.280 She became even more alarmed

00:40:45.000 when Baldoni introduced

00:40:46.060 his, quote,

00:40:46.640 best friend

00:40:47.160 to play the role

00:40:47.780 of the OB-GYN,

00:40:49.380 claimed typically

00:40:50.200 a small role

00:40:51.380 of this nature

00:40:52.060 would be filled

00:40:52.660 by a local actor.

00:40:54.560 She felt the selection

00:40:55.440 of Baldoni's friend

00:40:56.300 for this intimate role

00:40:57.400 in which the actor's face

00:40:59.060 and hands were 0.53

00:40:59.580 in close proximity 0.99

00:41:00.520 to her nearly nude genitals 1.00

00:41:02.180 for a birth scene 1.00

00:41:02.820 was invasive

00:41:03.640 and humiliating.

00:41:05.460 However, guys,

00:41:06.420 as you know,

00:41:07.020 because you prepared

00:41:07.780 for today,

00:41:08.340 that actor,

00:41:10.820 Adam Monshine,

00:41:12.700 has now spoken out

00:41:14.700 and he's got

00:41:15.980 a bone to pick

00:41:17.200 with Blake Lively's

00:41:18.600 description

00:41:19.020 of what happened

00:41:19.980 on that set.

00:41:21.200 Arthur,

00:41:21.500 you want to take it

00:41:21.960 from there?

00:41:23.340 Well, first of all,

00:41:24.680 the actor,

00:41:25.440 he's the one

00:41:26.240 who's like the very

00:41:26.980 Shakespearean-trained actor.

00:41:29.560 I mean,

00:41:29.800 he basically says

00:41:30.560 that's not what happened

00:41:31.380 and it was very professional.

00:41:32.820 The scene was very professional

00:41:34.020 and like nothing

00:41:36.720 was untoward

00:41:37.640 and it was

00:41:38.300 a big nothing burger

00:41:40.040 and they're making this

00:41:40.820 into something that...

00:41:41.600 And she was clothed.

00:41:42.540 He says she was

00:41:43.960 wearing clothing.

00:41:45.100 He said she,

00:41:46.540 her costume included 0.94

00:41:48.520 a full hospital gown,

00:41:49.700 black shorts,

00:41:50.380 and torso-covering prosthetic

00:41:51.880 to make her appear pregnant 0.97

00:41:52.840 in addition

00:41:53.380 to whatever personal garments

00:41:54.880 she chose.

00:41:56.820 Yeah,

00:41:57.100 so it's not too good

00:41:58.240 when you have

00:41:58.840 the guy who was there

00:42:00.400 saying,

00:42:01.340 this is not the truth.

00:42:02.860 And he's,

00:42:03.200 I think a big point though,

00:42:04.600 he's a legitimate actor.

00:42:06.900 I forget his name

00:42:07.780 when he gets with an M

00:42:08.600 who's saying it.

00:42:09.980 It's like he's a legitimate guy

00:42:11.240 so who doesn't seem

00:42:12.460 to have a horse race.

00:42:13.900 She is making it sound like,

00:42:16.440 you know,

00:42:17.040 Arthur was the director

00:42:18.080 of this scene

00:42:18.820 and he got his buddy

00:42:19.740 Lawrence Taylor

00:42:20.440 to come by

00:42:21.020 to play the OBGYN. 0.86

00:42:22.300 Blake Levy's gonna be naked. 0.55

00:42:24.400 Get in here, LT. 0.85

00:42:25.580 This is not what happened.

00:42:27.660 That's a great example.

00:42:29.680 This guy has his

00:42:30.920 Bachelor's of Fine Arts

00:42:32.440 in Acting

00:42:32.900 from the University of Maryland.

00:42:34.600 He's got an MFA,

00:42:35.600 Master's of Fine Arts

00:42:36.340 in Acting

00:42:36.720 from UCLA.

00:42:38.000 He worked for several

00:42:39.040 Shakespeare companies,

00:42:40.700 toured nationally

00:42:41.240 with the Tony Award-winning

00:42:42.240 acting company,

00:42:43.560 attended the British-American

00:42:44.560 Dramatic Academy's

00:42:45.600 Midsummer in Oxford program

00:42:47.100 as a full scholarship winner.

00:42:48.920 He's been on numerous shows

00:42:50.140 on Netflix,

00:42:50.920 on ABC,

00:42:51.540 on TNT.

00:42:53.080 Once again,

00:42:53.820 Mark,

00:42:54.040 the problem is

00:42:54.680 her allegations 0.99

00:42:55.440 and her complaint

00:42:56.220 do not seem to match up

00:42:58.140 with not just

00:42:58.780 what Justin's saying

00:42:59.820 but with what

00:43:00.960 independent people

00:43:02.240 who have no axe

00:43:03.140 to grind

00:43:03.600 with Blake Lively

00:43:04.560 are saying.

00:43:06.040 That's the first problem,

00:43:07.340 proving this.

00:43:08.180 And there's always

00:43:09.120 two sides,

00:43:09.980 and so I don't know

00:43:10.580 that she'll be able

00:43:11.160 to prove what's being alleged.

00:43:12.680 But the second thing is

00:43:13.500 there's a difference

00:43:14.080 between what she's alleging,

00:43:15.440 like intentional

00:43:16.440 sexual harassment

00:43:17.320 and, well,

00:43:18.460 things that in retrospect

00:43:19.600 should have been done

00:43:20.460 differently on the movie set

00:43:21.700 that would have made

00:43:22.160 her more comfortable.

00:43:23.120 That's what all this

00:43:23.760 sounds like, right?

00:43:25.080 And the third thing is

00:43:26.440 jurors always look

00:43:28.000 and it's legally proper

00:43:29.360 towards the person

00:43:30.980 bringing the suit

00:43:31.780 and saying,

00:43:32.500 well,

00:43:32.640 what else could you

00:43:33.380 have done?

00:43:34.260 She doesn't seem

00:43:35.120 like a very passive,

00:43:37.140 soft flower.

00:43:38.560 She would have spoken up

00:43:39.820 and saying,

00:43:40.200 I will not do this.

00:43:41.520 I don't want all these

00:43:42.360 people on the set.

00:43:43.460 I don't want this.

00:43:44.280 I don't want that.

00:43:45.200 So they're going to be

00:43:45.900 looking at her as well.

00:43:47.740 That's the thing.

00:43:48.520 So she makes it sound

00:43:49.680 in this complaint,

00:43:50.880 Arthur,

00:43:51.160 like she is this

00:43:52.060 powerless,

00:43:52.980 shrinking violet.

00:43:53.800 This one,

00:43:54.620 I circled in particular.

00:43:56.220 She was not provided

00:43:57.020 with anything with which

00:43:58.160 to cover herself

00:43:58.980 between takes

00:43:59.700 until after she had

00:44:00.820 made multiple requests.

00:44:02.880 Does anyone really believe

00:44:04.780 Blake Lively,

00:44:05.920 who had 100 times

00:44:07.580 the star power

00:44:08.380 and regular power

00:44:09.460 of anybody on that set

00:44:11.340 was sitting there

00:44:12.320 naked going,

00:44:13.340 somebody,

00:44:13.860 please get me a cover.

00:44:15.100 Multiple requests.

00:44:16.020 Get me a cover.

00:44:16.700 Get me a cover.

00:44:17.340 And everyone just

00:44:18.340 blew her off like, 0.84

00:44:19.220 ah, 1.00

00:44:19.480 screw her. 1.00

00:44:21.000 Of course. 0.97

00:44:21.840 It does not sound

00:44:22.780 reasonable at all.

00:44:23.860 Also,

00:44:24.660 she says,

00:44:25.460 it doesn't say

00:44:26.040 in my contract

00:44:26.640 anything about nudity,

00:44:27.820 but my understanding

00:44:28.760 is it did say

00:44:29.460 there was a childbirth scene

00:44:30.840 and,

00:44:31.520 you know,

00:44:31.800 there is some degree

00:44:32.880 of nudity

00:44:33.560 in any kind of childbirth,

00:44:35.320 but they're just going

00:44:36.040 to do it from the neck up.

00:44:37.460 They don't come out

00:44:38.340 of your nose.

00:44:39.660 No.

00:44:40.700 Not that I know of.

00:44:42.220 It's pretty,

00:44:42.680 it's pretty clear.

00:44:43.960 Well,

00:44:44.380 look,

00:44:44.620 I'm looking at

00:44:45.460 that birth scene.

00:44:46.700 I don't,

00:44:47.120 I can't see

00:44:47.960 what's there.

00:44:48.920 And that's obvious.

00:44:49.620 The filmmakers don't want

00:44:50.440 you to see

00:44:50.760 if she's wearing

00:44:51.200 a pair of black shorts.

00:44:52.160 It kind of suspends disbelief

00:44:54.220 on the giving birth claims.

00:44:57.500 But in any event,

00:44:58.640 she,

00:44:59.400 I want to go on

00:45:00.440 just for another minute

00:45:01.340 about what Adam Monshine

00:45:03.120 is alleging.

00:45:04.420 He played Dr. Dunbar

00:45:05.400 in that scene.

00:45:06.900 He says,

00:45:07.500 yeah,

00:45:08.840 my experience working with her

00:45:09.980 is very different

00:45:10.920 than the one she described

00:45:12.020 in her lawsuit.

00:45:13.360 Indeed,

00:45:13.660 I was surprised

00:45:14.380 to read her description

00:45:15.340 of the scene.

00:45:16.540 He goes on about the costume

00:45:17.660 as I read before.

00:45:19.300 Then he further alleged

00:45:20.400 that Lively

00:45:21.040 never complained

00:45:22.320 or expressed discomfort

00:45:23.840 at any point

00:45:24.920 because nothing unusual

00:45:26.380 or improper occurred.

00:45:27.900 It was extremely professional.

00:45:29.820 And of course,

00:45:30.280 he was there for all of it

00:45:31.220 because he was playing the OB

00:45:32.240 right between the legs.

00:45:33.920 He called Lively's insinuations

00:45:35.440 about his acting qualifications

00:45:36.900 offensive

00:45:37.660 as his bona fides

00:45:39.280 are easily searchable online

00:45:41.580 and says,

00:45:42.260 by the way,

00:45:43.100 I was actually a local hire.

00:45:46.120 My wife and I are from New York

00:45:47.460 and we spend significant time there

00:45:49.240 and apparently that's where

00:45:49.960 the scene was shot

00:45:51.120 and said,

00:45:52.260 if I'm called to testify

00:45:53.060 in this case,

00:45:53.520 I will answer truthfully.

00:45:55.120 And he says,

00:45:56.640 in particular,

00:45:59.060 I will note that Ms. Lively

00:46:00.320 was not,

00:46:01.580 quote,

00:46:01.960 nearly nude

00:46:02.820 in the scene we shot together.

00:46:04.460 So here's the takeaway.

00:46:05.840 You tell me what you think.

00:46:08.440 This is how Brian Friedman

00:46:09.880 and Justin Baldoni

00:46:10.960 are going to win this case.

00:46:12.540 You don't have to take

00:46:13.720 all 20 of her allegations.

00:46:16.580 Pick your top four,

00:46:17.780 right,

00:46:18.320 and show

00:46:19.140 you don't have to take

00:46:20.960 Baldoni's word

00:46:21.880 on the birth scene.

00:46:23.220 Listen to Adam Monshine

00:46:24.520 who is telling you

00:46:26.480 he was there.

00:46:27.100 And by the way,

00:46:28.260 here are the raw film

00:46:31.180 outtakes

00:46:32.180 from the whole thing

00:46:33.620 where you can see

00:46:34.700 she is wearing black shorts.

00:46:37.200 She does not have

00:46:37.960 just a thin piece of fabric 0.98

00:46:39.380 separating her genitalia 0.99

00:46:41.220 from everybody there. 0.99

00:46:42.300 And let's sit

00:46:43.320 and listen

00:46:43.880 to her alleged

00:46:45.080 multiple requests

00:46:46.660 for a cover

00:46:47.780 which everyone blew her.

00:46:48.960 I bet it's not going to be there.

00:46:50.240 So how powerful

00:46:51.400 a piece of evidence

00:46:52.560 is this

00:46:53.240 for an effective trial lawyer, guys?

00:46:55.300 Huge, Megan.

00:46:56.560 Arthur and I

00:46:57.540 who are artists

00:46:58.400 in creating reasonable doubt

00:46:59.880 will tell the jury

00:47:01.300 that if there's

00:47:03.420 you know,

00:47:03.780 reasonable doubt

00:47:04.420 created

00:47:04.940 as to one allegation

00:47:06.740 while we might not be able

00:47:08.120 to disprove the others

00:47:09.220 it shows

00:47:10.200 what's going on here.

00:47:12.100 That the person

00:47:12.800 was caught in a lie.

00:47:14.480 They're willing

00:47:15.080 to manufacture allegations

00:47:16.980 at least as it relates

00:47:18.040 to some things.

00:47:18.880 And so you can disregard

00:47:20.440 her entire testimony.

00:47:22.140 So yes,

00:47:22.520 I think this is colossal.

00:47:24.200 It's not even,

00:47:25.060 you know,

00:47:25.260 Mark and I are criminal guys

00:47:26.460 so it's not even reasonable doubt

00:47:27.940 under these circumstances.

00:47:28.840 It's even a lesser standard.

00:47:30.800 But you know,

00:47:31.140 you also, Megan,

00:47:31.900 have to think about

00:47:32.820 the lawyering.

00:47:33.660 The lawyering here.

00:47:35.020 When you're going to make,

00:47:35.780 when she's going to make this claim

00:47:36.880 you have to tell your client

00:47:38.200 okay,

00:47:39.160 I heard what you said.

00:47:40.280 You know there's going to be like

00:47:41.260 there were like 12 other people

00:47:42.600 in the room

00:47:43.080 or according to you

00:47:43.740 even more

00:47:44.420 and they're going to know

00:47:45.800 you know,

00:47:46.100 they're going to be witnesses as well.

00:47:47.800 They're going to support

00:47:48.620 the fact that you didn't have

00:47:49.620 that, you know,

00:47:50.400 you were naked, right?

00:47:51.240 No one's going to say

00:47:51.900 you had shorts on, right?

00:47:52.960 And they're all going to say

00:47:54.040 they're all going to support

00:47:55.160 the fact that you asked

00:47:56.160 to be covered up

00:47:57.020 and nobody helped you.

00:47:59.040 Correct?

00:47:59.820 Like you got to,

00:48:00.580 now maybe the lawyer did

00:48:01.760 and she's like,

00:48:02.240 oh, absolutely.

00:48:03.180 I didn't have anything on it.

00:48:04.200 Maybe the film will show that

00:48:05.680 in her defense.

00:48:06.440 Maybe the film will show that

00:48:07.540 and you know,

00:48:08.440 this guy will be proven wrong.

00:48:09.500 Keep going.

00:48:11.320 The bottom line is

00:48:12.520 when you're on

00:48:13.580 the plaintiff's side

00:48:15.160 before you make these claims

00:48:17.160 you better do some homework

00:48:19.280 and some of your own

00:48:20.080 investigation work

00:48:20.960 because as the lawyer

00:48:22.100 your reputation is on the line.

00:48:24.040 You're the one

00:48:24.560 who signs that complaint

00:48:25.880 and says,

00:48:26.700 you know,

00:48:26.900 I'm submitting these papers

00:48:28.380 and it sounds like

00:48:29.580 from this witness

00:48:30.620 who sounds like

00:48:31.560 a very credible guy here

00:48:33.100 that,

00:48:33.900 you know,

00:48:34.780 that she either lied

00:48:36.060 to her lawyer

00:48:36.620 or her lawyer

00:48:37.160 didn't do her homework.

00:48:38.340 He sounds like somebody

00:48:39.500 the jury's going to like.

00:48:40.560 That's my gut instinct

00:48:41.480 and they're not going to like

00:48:42.380 that she smeared him

00:48:43.300 as just a best friend

00:48:44.260 who was trying to get 0.99

00:48:44.840 a look at her vag. 0.97

00:48:46.700 Last but not least, 0.99

00:48:47.860 this woman,

00:48:48.400 Christina Formella,

00:48:49.900 30 years old,

00:48:50.800 Illinois teacher

00:48:51.520 accused of molesting

00:48:52.500 a 15-year-old student

00:48:54.080 who was on a soccer team

00:48:55.260 she coached

00:48:56.080 and whom she tutored

00:48:57.500 allegedly happened

00:48:59.360 in a Downers Grove

00:49:00.780 high school classroom

00:49:02.200 in December 2023.

00:49:04.060 At the time,

00:49:04.760 she was 28.

00:49:05.600 He was 15

00:49:06.240 and they had

00:49:08.760 a sexual interlude.

00:49:10.540 There may have been

00:49:11.220 more than one.

00:49:11.880 I don't know.

00:49:13.080 There are text messages

00:49:14.100 in which she texts him,

00:49:16.480 I love you so much, baby.

00:49:18.100 Even though this morning

00:49:18.780 was short,

00:49:19.440 it was perfect.

00:49:21.160 And she wrote

00:49:22.860 directly to him, 1.00

00:49:24.320 I love having sex with you. 1.00

00:49:26.500 Now she's claiming 1.00

00:49:27.400 he wrote those texts

00:49:29.800 on her phone

00:49:30.820 which he stole from her

00:49:32.300 and then he deleted

00:49:33.220 the record on her phone

00:49:34.340 so she wouldn't see

00:49:35.360 that he had done this.

00:49:37.660 She's in a lot of trouble 1.00

00:49:38.920 out in Illinois right now

00:49:40.400 and you tell me

00:49:41.920 how this case is likely

00:49:42.840 to get resolved.

00:49:44.820 Go ahead, Mark.

00:49:45.840 As you know,

00:49:46.260 the heart wants

00:49:46.880 what the heart wants

00:49:47.660 even if they are

00:49:48.240 even if it's a 15-year-old.

00:49:50.060 Arthur,

00:49:50.760 she's going to prison. 1.00

00:49:52.320 They've got enough evidence.

00:49:53.860 The things that she's

00:49:54.600 alleging on the defense

00:49:55.520 are not supported

00:49:56.480 by the evidence

00:49:57.220 including the things

00:49:58.100 that she claimed

00:49:58.760 that her husband knew.

00:49:59.720 she is going to get

00:50:01.420 what she deserves.

00:50:03.700 And it appears,

00:50:05.020 if I read this correctly,

00:50:06.640 that eventually

00:50:07.960 she fessed up

00:50:10.740 to some piece of this.

00:50:13.560 I've got to find out

00:50:14.680 where is that?

00:50:15.740 She did,

00:50:16.320 she fessed up

00:50:17.900 to some piece of this.

00:50:18.840 Where is it?

00:50:19.300 I can't find it.

00:50:19.900 Because it's in black and white.

00:50:21.760 She can't deny these things,

00:50:23.420 you know?

00:50:23.920 Yeah, she,

00:50:24.680 okay.

00:50:24.980 It says,

00:50:27.120 okay,

00:50:28.080 she fessed up

00:50:28.640 to having,

00:50:29.180 okay,

00:50:30.120 Formella later

00:50:30.820 fessed up

00:50:31.300 to having a relationship

00:50:32.400 with the boy,

00:50:33.760 prosecutors say.

00:50:35.300 Quote,

00:50:35.620 defendant admitted

00:50:36.640 she knew the relationship

00:50:38.000 was wrong,

00:50:38.900 but she was unable

00:50:39.620 to stop it

00:50:40.360 because she cares

00:50:41.460 too much about him.

00:50:42.680 And in another tape,

00:50:43.660 she says

00:50:44.200 she was just too hot. 0.95

00:50:45.960 And that's why

00:50:46.700 people say things

00:50:47.540 about her that

00:50:48.260 As they said,

00:50:49.200 the heart wants

00:50:49.880 what the heart wants.

00:50:51.260 This is,

00:50:52.100 this is Arthur's

00:50:53.040 defense to everything.

00:50:53.900 I was too hot.

00:50:54.400 Arthur,

00:50:54.860 here's my defense.

00:50:58.540 Ladies and gentlemen,

00:50:59.560 the casting couch

00:51:00.480 is not a crime scene.

00:51:03.100 Okay.

00:51:03.680 I mean,

00:51:05.000 I'm open-minded.

00:51:05.760 I want to hear

00:51:06.080 where that goes

00:51:06.560 and maybe I will

00:51:07.180 in court next week.

00:51:08.320 Thank you guys.

00:51:08.980 Good luck,

00:51:09.340 Arthur.

00:51:10.420 Thank you so much.

00:51:11.520 Be good luck.

00:51:12.440 Take care.

00:51:13.080 Bye, Meg.

00:51:13.520 Good luck.

00:51:14.760 May the best witness win.

00:51:16.400 Okay,

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00:53:53.180 It's Friday,

00:53:58.780 so we're going to have

00:53:59.280 some fun.

00:53:59.960 I'm super excited

00:54:00.960 because a guest

00:54:02.020 that we had on

00:54:02.660 way back in 2021,

00:54:03.840 it was, I think,

00:54:04.300 January 2021?

00:54:05.280 It was Jan and Fab.

00:54:06.580 On episode 60,

00:54:08.240 number 60,

00:54:09.500 here we're over

00:54:09.960 a thousand now,

00:54:11.080 is here in person,

00:54:12.440 comedian Tim Dillon.

00:54:14.200 Tim has a new

00:54:14.780 Netflix special out

00:54:15.760 next week

00:54:16.520 called I'm Your Mother

00:54:17.820 and it is hilarious.

00:54:19.720 Here's a look.

00:54:20.200 It's so funny

00:54:22.320 what we fight about

00:54:23.080 in America.

00:54:23.620 We're going to ban

00:54:24.140 TikTok or we're not.

00:54:26.660 I don't know.

00:54:28.400 I don't care how

00:54:29.260 you feel about that.

00:54:30.100 At a certain age, 0.99

00:54:30.840 you've got to shut up. 0.98

00:54:32.100 Like, I'm 39 years old 0.99

00:54:33.820 and I have friends

00:54:35.280 that are still,

00:54:36.300 they're like,

00:54:36.620 they can't ban TikTok.

00:54:38.960 I'm like,

00:54:39.260 hey, Ralph,

00:54:40.280 sit down.

00:54:42.620 Sit this out.

00:54:45.940 They can't ban

00:54:47.060 that child's dancing app.

00:54:49.740 Ralph.

00:54:50.200 This looks terrible.

00:54:53.700 Please.

00:54:55.060 Stop.

00:54:56.160 Where am I going

00:54:56.900 to watch children dance?

00:54:58.900 All right.

00:54:59.400 Hey, enough.

00:55:00.760 You're not helping, Ralph.

00:55:02.680 Tim, great to see you again.

00:55:03.460 Thank you for having me.

00:55:04.540 I appreciate it.

00:55:05.340 Awesome.

00:55:05.700 I was just saying,

00:55:06.280 like,

00:55:06.580 so when we first talked,

00:55:07.480 it was like the height

00:55:08.300 of the pandemic nonsense.

00:55:09.940 Everything was still locked down.

00:55:11.380 Yeah.

00:55:11.860 And I remember

00:55:12.720 one of the things we discussed

00:55:13.480 was how comedians

00:55:15.320 are being canceled

00:55:16.180 left and right.

00:55:17.100 Yeah, it was a weird time.

00:55:18.320 People were very uptight

00:55:19.520 and people were very,

00:55:20.620 you know,

00:55:21.500 tense and there was

00:55:23.660 a lot of anger

00:55:24.360 and a lot of it was coming

00:55:25.360 for comedy.

00:55:27.320 A lot of it was pointed

00:55:28.060 in that direction.

00:55:29.320 I feel like now

00:55:30.120 people have,

00:55:30.800 it's dissipated.

00:55:31.940 People are more relaxed.

00:55:34.160 I think,

00:55:34.840 I mean,

00:55:35.380 not in every facet of life,

00:55:37.080 but certainly with comedy,

00:55:38.420 people are relaxing

00:55:39.240 and common sense

00:55:40.440 is coming back

00:55:41.120 and I think people

00:55:41.680 are having more fun.

00:55:42.700 How do we get there?

00:55:43.560 How did we finally get

00:55:44.740 to the point

00:55:45.020 where we took our boot

00:55:46.400 off the necks

00:55:47.100 of the comedians?

00:55:48.240 I think it was just,

00:55:49.180 you know,

00:55:49.480 people,

00:55:49.920 I think,

00:55:50.820 realized that they 0.99

00:55:51.880 were being silly. 0.96

00:55:53.240 I think what happened 0.98

00:55:54.420 was people were being 0.98

00:55:55.680 a bit ridiculous. 0.99

00:55:56.720 They were going overboard. 0.96

00:55:57.780 I think it tends to happen.

00:55:59.440 I think we're in like

00:56:00.180 a little bit of a moral panic

00:56:01.840 where people were trying

00:56:03.480 to assert at every moment

00:56:05.960 how good they were.

00:56:07.140 and I think people

00:56:08.620 just got tired of that.

00:56:10.000 I think it's exhausting.

00:56:11.300 I think not having fun

00:56:12.780 is actually very tiring.

00:56:14.740 Being a stickler

00:56:15.760 is very tiring.

00:56:16.760 It's very exhausting

00:56:17.460 and I think people

00:56:18.120 just got to a point

00:56:18.940 when,

00:56:19.800 you know,

00:56:20.300 they realized

00:56:21.200 that that was

00:56:22.040 not only

00:56:22.940 a terrible way to live,

00:56:25.240 but it's also not effective.

00:56:27.260 The world that they want

00:56:28.980 isn't going to be manifested

00:56:31.280 through scolding people.

00:56:33.200 So I think they realized that.

00:56:34.820 I hope you're right.

00:56:35.600 I hope we're done

00:56:36.320 with that period.

00:56:36.880 I hope forever more.

00:56:38.160 Yeah.

00:56:38.460 So it's funny

00:56:39.060 because we didn't do

00:56:39.840 a ton of your bio

00:56:40.520 a little bit

00:56:41.020 last time you came out,

00:56:41.960 but I,

00:56:42.560 I didn't remember

00:56:43.580 that you were,

00:56:44.640 you're going to love this

00:56:45.440 in my packet

00:56:46.600 that my team gave me.

00:56:48.320 You do the best interview

00:56:49.120 and I don't even want

00:56:49.980 to say this just

00:56:50.560 because I'm here,

00:56:51.100 but like you have

00:56:52.740 the best people.

00:56:54.200 You research,

00:56:54.840 you know things.

00:56:56.060 Thank you.

00:56:56.700 Most people,

00:56:57.560 you go to their interview

00:56:58.400 and they go,

00:56:59.380 you know,

00:56:59.800 you're a comedian.

00:57:00.860 No one has a clue.

00:57:02.720 Well,

00:57:03.280 yeah,

00:57:03.660 you'll love this.

00:57:04.420 Yeah.

00:57:05.680 Unsuccessful child actor.

00:57:07.440 Unsuccessful.

00:57:07.920 Failed.

00:57:08.400 That's not nice.

00:57:09.200 Failed.

00:57:09.900 Why?

00:57:10.400 Well,

00:57:10.580 it didn't work.

00:57:11.220 No,

00:57:11.380 they pulled clips of you.

00:57:12.460 Here you are on Sesame Street.

00:57:13.740 Let's watch it.

00:57:14.280 Speaking of dancing children.

00:57:15.940 By the way,

00:57:16.280 that doesn't pay.

00:57:17.280 Okay,

00:57:17.560 you're the blonde. 1.00

00:57:18.220 Public television.

00:57:18.840 Blonde boy in blue shirt.

00:57:19.640 I'm getting rid of it

00:57:20.260 and I'm happy.

00:57:21.060 Wait,

00:57:21.280 here he is

00:57:21.660 with Mr.

00:57:22.140 Staphalopagus.

00:57:22.840 That's right.

00:57:23.400 Wait,

00:57:23.620 let's watch.

00:57:27.520 Oh,

00:57:27.920 that's you in the back.

00:57:28.700 Yeah.

00:57:30.660 We just,

00:57:33.220 I believe Doge

00:57:33.940 just cut the funding

00:57:35.020 for this.

00:57:36.460 Which I think

00:57:37.220 is probably reasonable.

00:57:38.940 You stole the scene.

00:57:39.780 I don't understand.

00:57:40.480 I barely look at

00:57:41.200 Snaphalopagus.

00:57:42.220 It was a big deal

00:57:43.000 when you're a little kid

00:57:43.760 to do it.

00:57:44.440 Totally.

00:57:44.920 It was like,

00:57:45.460 you know,

00:57:45.700 you got out of school.

00:57:46.360 It didn't turn into

00:57:46.700 a Tom Cruise-like career.

00:57:47.900 It didn't turn into anything.

00:57:49.380 That was the height of it.

00:57:50.600 What happened?

00:57:51.060 Public television

00:57:51.840 was the height of it.

00:57:52.560 I don't know.

00:57:53.040 I wasn't good.

00:57:54.460 What?

00:57:54.960 Wait a minute.

00:57:55.300 You know,

00:57:55.400 I mean,

00:57:55.560 I think that's the problem.

00:57:56.540 We have one more.

00:57:57.420 I'm going to put it to the test.

00:57:58.740 This is you on Comedy Central

00:57:59.860 on a skit.

00:58:00.900 Just Say No, Jay.

00:58:02.800 Just Say No, Jay.

00:58:03.540 Yeah.

00:58:03.700 In the 1990s.

00:58:05.040 In the 1990s.

00:58:05.440 So it was after the murders?

00:58:07.480 It was after the murders

00:58:08.460 that Comedy Central

00:58:09.140 had this campaign

00:58:10.040 where they were trying

00:58:10.580 to get people

00:58:11.000 to stop watching the trial

00:58:12.500 and start watching Comedy Central.

00:58:14.840 Oh, okay.

00:58:15.180 So that is Just Say No, Jay campaign

00:58:17.520 and it satirized

00:58:18.820 how insane people

00:58:20.480 had become with the trial.

00:58:21.820 Yes.

00:58:22.200 And I think I play

00:58:22.840 a young kid playing

00:58:23.720 like a DNA testing kit.

00:58:25.380 Let's see this.

00:58:29.860 Picture of Marsha Clark's book.

00:58:31.140 Not now, Trevor.

00:58:32.380 Down.

00:58:33.700 A mom and a dog.

00:58:36.260 Here you are.

00:58:37.000 There's the blonde hair.

00:58:37.720 That's my bone.

00:58:42.140 I love the Trevors.

00:58:43.400 This was the height of it.

00:58:47.160 There's the dad.

00:58:48.260 Yeah.

00:58:48.380 That he told you

00:58:49.060 he'd take the next flight?

00:58:50.080 The dog shuts off the TV.

00:58:52.860 And you then?

00:58:54.740 Just Say No, Jay.

00:58:56.120 From Comedy Central.

00:58:57.360 That was it?

00:58:58.020 That was it.

00:58:58.520 Just that little...

00:58:59.120 This is the height

00:58:59.460 of my career.

00:59:00.280 Two seconds.

00:59:01.380 This is the height

00:59:02.220 of my career.

00:59:03.460 Nothing except that.

00:59:05.700 Years of auditioning,

00:59:07.760 going into the city.

00:59:09.260 Nothing.

00:59:09.740 Nothing?

00:59:10.380 That was it.

00:59:11.080 That's really sad.

00:59:11.740 The two things you just played

00:59:13.400 were it.

00:59:14.440 We didn't leave any gold out there.

00:59:16.220 And you know the saddest thing?

00:59:17.340 We'd have holiday parties.

00:59:18.320 We're Irish.

00:59:18.980 We'd have big family parties.

00:59:20.780 And we'd play that.

00:59:23.320 We'd play that.

00:59:24.360 So the whole...

00:59:24.740 Very proud.

00:59:24.900 I mean, everybody would be there.

00:59:27.080 Everybody would be like,

00:59:28.840 oh, he did something?

00:59:30.340 Let's see it.

00:59:31.020 Yeah, your mom's like,

00:59:31.720 let me show you Timmy.

00:59:32.700 That.

00:59:33.800 And then it's just a bunch of 0.89

00:59:34.940 drunk, red-faced Irish people 1.00

00:59:36.240 watching me dance 0.84

00:59:37.220 with Snuffleupagus going...

00:59:39.180 Okay.

00:59:39.860 Well, Irish people are brutally honest. 1.00

00:59:41.420 They're brutally honest.

00:59:42.140 Fortunately, I'm sure you really got it.

00:59:43.700 Yeah.

00:59:44.020 So that may have led to chapter two,

00:59:46.460 which my team describes as

00:59:47.900 discovered cocaine and alcohol at 13.

00:59:51.080 Discovered it.

00:59:52.180 Discovered it.

00:59:53.920 Developed a relationship with it,

00:59:56.180 which was...

00:59:56.620 That sounds...

00:59:57.160 Yeah, discovered.

00:59:57.960 I like that.

00:59:58.880 Discovered.

00:59:59.260 By the way,

00:59:59.820 it's the nicest way

01:00:01.140 I've ever heard it described.

01:00:03.520 Discovered it.

01:00:04.580 Yeah, I mean,

01:00:05.080 I was a wild kid and I have a lot of...

01:00:08.640 Is it because of your child acting?

01:00:09.560 It was probably because of that.

01:00:11.200 Also because my parents were kind of...

01:00:13.640 I loved them both.

01:00:14.480 They were just boomers 1.00

01:00:15.540 and they were a little checked out.

01:00:17.840 Parenting was a little different back then.

01:00:20.960 Very.

01:00:21.340 It was not as intense as it is now.

01:00:26.580 There was no tracker on a phone

01:00:29.480 that knew where I was.

01:00:31.680 You would go to the park.

01:00:33.060 You would ride your bike.

01:00:34.000 You would leave.

01:00:35.200 And I had a lot of older friends

01:00:36.800 and they were into drugs.

01:00:39.200 And I got into it through them.

01:00:42.040 And, you know,

01:00:42.620 it was a little bit of a wild ride

01:00:44.080 for about 10 years.

01:00:45.140 Oh, really?

01:00:45.700 About 10 years.

01:00:46.600 And now 15 years sober of all things.

01:00:49.160 So nothing.

01:00:49.720 You don't drink.

01:00:50.600 You don't do anything.

01:00:51.260 Nothing.

01:00:51.660 So it's kind of a blessing.

01:00:52.740 It's a good thing

01:00:53.740 to get out of your system young.

01:00:56.160 I mean, not that young.

01:00:57.600 Like when you can still save your liver.

01:00:59.940 You know,

01:01:00.140 it's like if you stop drinking at 25 or whatever,

01:01:02.680 Yeah, I stopped drinking at 25.

01:01:04.700 And, you know,

01:01:05.820 but it was a time

01:01:07.780 where I learned a lot about life,

01:01:10.240 doing all that stuff.

01:01:11.860 I wouldn't recommend it.

01:01:13.340 There's other ways to learn about life.

01:01:15.980 If you're watching this,

01:01:17.460 you know,

01:01:17.820 take a class or something.

01:01:19.540 Gonna put Junior on the Tim Dillon play.

01:01:21.180 Yeah, read a book.

01:01:22.140 But I learned a lot about life doing that.

01:01:25.720 You learn a lot about accountability,

01:01:29.540 being an addict.

01:01:30.400 You learn a lot about

01:01:31.380 not blaming other people for your problems.

01:01:35.000 You learn that when you come out of the addiction.

01:01:36.560 You learn it when you come out of it.

01:01:38.000 Yeah.

01:01:38.360 You learn it when you come out of it,

01:01:39.620 which was a great lesson.

01:01:40.860 I was sort of laughing at first thinking

01:01:43.060 it couldn't have been his short stint as a child actor.

01:01:45.300 Yeah.

01:01:45.800 But it turns out that your mom 1.00

01:01:47.260 has a serious mental illness. 1.00

01:01:49.320 Yes. 0.99

01:01:49.620 And I'm sure that was stressful to grow up with.

01:01:51.980 Well, she was a schizophrenic

01:01:53.060 and that was hard.

01:01:53.740 It became more obvious when I was older

01:01:57.680 and it was difficult

01:01:59.240 because when you're younger,

01:02:02.200 you're not,

01:02:03.400 you look at your parents and your mother

01:02:05.120 as a authority figure

01:02:07.520 who's like, you know,

01:02:10.240 who's, you know,

01:02:12.260 maybe wise

01:02:13.900 or certainly, you know,

01:02:17.440 you know,

01:02:18.840 integral to your growing up

01:02:20.760 and then realizing

01:02:22.240 that she's a very fallible person

01:02:23.840 with problems

01:02:25.200 is a hard thing to realize

01:02:26.860 and then realizing

01:02:27.440 you can't do anything about it.

01:02:29.180 You can't really do anything about it.

01:02:30.900 You have to accept it

01:02:33.060 and be the best you can be

01:02:35.120 and live with it and deal with it.

01:02:37.200 So, I mean,

01:02:37.500 I think that was something too

01:02:38.620 that was difficult.

01:02:39.500 Did you like experience her

01:02:42.080 while she was having delusions?

01:02:43.220 Yeah.

01:02:43.420 I mean, an Irish Catholic family,

01:02:45.340 we were very,

01:02:46.320 we weren't big

01:02:47.000 on the term schizophrenic.

01:02:48.480 We were,

01:02:49.240 for a while there,

01:02:49.940 we just thought

01:02:50.420 she was eccentric 0.87

01:02:51.620 or fun.

01:02:53.280 Right.

01:02:53.820 You know,

01:02:54.400 Patty's fun.

01:02:55.420 She would say something.

01:02:56.660 She'd go,

01:02:57.480 I think like,

01:02:58.460 you know,

01:02:58.940 your uncle is like a CIA agent

01:03:01.540 or something

01:03:02.020 and we'd all go, 0.98

01:03:03.120 she's a poot. 1.00

01:03:04.460 She's fun. 0.93

01:03:05.360 And then we started realizing,

01:03:06.420 oh,

01:03:06.700 it's a mental disorder.

01:03:08.840 So it was manageable.

01:03:09.880 Like it wasn't like-

01:03:10.520 It was manageable.

01:03:11.200 She worked very hard.

01:03:12.320 She really,

01:03:12.900 really worked.

01:03:13.420 And then I think around

01:03:14.880 in her forties,

01:03:17.380 she started,

01:03:18.300 it started to progress

01:03:19.300 and get worse.

01:03:20.540 So how do you parlay that

01:03:22.660 into comedy?

01:03:24.180 Or is that just more

01:03:24.840 the Irish Catholic strain?

01:03:26.060 I think you parlay it

01:03:27.320 into something creative.

01:03:31.360 Doesn't have to be comedy.

01:03:33.000 But for me,

01:03:33.500 it was like,

01:03:34.480 there was a lot of stuff

01:03:35.680 that in order to deal with it,

01:03:37.100 you could be funny about it.

01:03:38.340 That's the way to deal

01:03:39.240 with a lot of things.

01:03:39.720 Coping mechanism.

01:03:40.540 Yeah,

01:03:40.720 it's a coping mechanism.

01:03:41.980 There's a lot of people

01:03:42.840 that have had mental illness

01:03:43.880 in their family.

01:03:44.540 They write great novels

01:03:45.860 about it

01:03:46.580 or they're a playwright

01:03:48.940 or they're a musician

01:03:49.880 or something.

01:03:50.640 But for me,

01:03:51.640 comedy made sense

01:03:52.480 because it was a way

01:03:53.180 to kind of goof

01:03:54.960 about things

01:03:56.080 that were incredibly painful.

01:03:59.380 Yep.

01:03:59.560 And you couldn't understand.

01:04:01.980 She didn't really understand it.

01:04:03.340 I think that's a big thing

01:04:05.100 in comedy.

01:04:06.680 She's trying to make sense

01:04:07.300 of things in a funny way.

01:04:08.220 So another friend of mine

01:04:09.140 who was a child actor

01:04:10.420 for Reels,

01:04:11.600 she starred on

01:04:12.420 Little House on the Prairie.

01:04:13.200 Oh, well, wow.

01:04:14.420 Sorry.

01:04:14.920 Okay.

01:04:15.460 I feel like she would have

01:04:16.380 advocated for you.

01:04:17.160 Yeah, where is she now? 1.00

01:04:18.300 And I'm kidding.

01:04:18.740 Probably very well.

01:04:20.060 She's doing very well.

01:04:21.140 She's doing very well.

01:04:21.840 But she wrote a book

01:04:23.740 called Diary of a Stage Mother's Daughter.

01:04:25.760 Wow.

01:04:26.100 And talking about her mother

01:04:26.860 was just totally overbearing

01:04:28.360 and definitely 0.86

01:04:29.200 had some mental issues.

01:04:31.340 And she writes about

01:04:33.180 this in the book,

01:04:34.100 but she's always worried

01:04:35.640 as she gets more mature,

01:04:37.420 am I going to have

01:04:38.340 any of those issues?

01:04:39.400 And she's not.

01:04:40.280 Yeah.

01:04:40.680 But it seems like

01:04:41.260 a natural worry.

01:04:42.280 Yes.

01:04:42.740 How do you deal with that?

01:04:44.000 Well, I do a podcast.

01:04:45.220 If I become a schizophrenic,

01:04:46.460 I make more money.

01:04:48.300 So I have a career.

01:04:49.860 Everyone would listen to that.

01:04:51.100 No one would know.

01:04:52.000 In fact,

01:04:52.380 it would be multiple years

01:04:53.600 before anyone suggested

01:04:54.820 something was off.

01:04:55.660 In fact,

01:04:56.620 people go,

01:04:57.140 it's getting really good.

01:04:58.840 So I have a career

01:05:00.240 where if I were to become

01:05:01.780 a schizophrenic,

01:05:02.400 people go, 0.67

01:05:02.700 it's actually getting really good.

01:05:04.540 So I'm not as worried

01:05:05.960 about that as I would be

01:05:07.040 if I was like a lawyer

01:05:08.280 or something.

01:05:09.200 Yes.

01:05:09.520 It would become more apparent.

01:05:11.000 Yes.

01:05:11.420 Okay.

01:05:11.780 That makes sense.

01:05:12.560 Yeah.

01:05:13.100 I hear we have something in common

01:05:14.520 and that is our mutual love

01:05:16.340 for Meghan Markle.

01:05:18.480 Yes.

01:05:18.940 I hear you're ready

01:05:19.500 to endorse her for president.

01:05:20.620 I like her now.

01:05:22.120 I've come around on her

01:05:23.400 because I,

01:05:24.340 since I'm a little kid,

01:05:24.900 I love con artists.

01:05:26.080 I think they're great.

01:05:27.120 I think they're fun.

01:05:28.180 They're an important part

01:05:29.020 of America

01:05:29.560 and the tapestry

01:05:30.780 of our country.

01:05:32.840 They,

01:05:33.760 to me,

01:05:34.440 exude

01:05:35.280 a kind of effortless humor.

01:05:39.520 They're very funny.

01:05:41.160 And I find her

01:05:42.320 to be a great con artist,

01:05:44.040 one of the great

01:05:44.660 cons of our time.

01:05:45.520 One of the greats.

01:05:46.100 This is someone who came

01:05:50.220 to prominence

01:05:51.160 marrying into

01:05:52.420 the royal family,

01:05:55.100 claiming they were racist,

01:05:57.480 claiming she wanted

01:05:58.020 to dedicate herself

01:05:58.920 to uplifting

01:05:59.820 young women

01:06:02.020 around the world

01:06:03.080 and is now

01:06:04.500 selling jam

01:06:06.340 at Target.

01:06:07.240 Yes.

01:06:07.980 That's beautiful.

01:06:09.280 She moved

01:06:10.760 to the richest

01:06:11.600 and whitest area

01:06:12.620 of our country.

01:06:13.520 Yes.

01:06:13.660 Honest,

01:06:14.020 you know.

01:06:14.380 Absolutely.

01:06:15.100 And makes honey.

01:06:17.860 There's nothing better

01:06:19.240 than that

01:06:20.540 from where she started

01:06:21.740 to where she is now.

01:06:23.040 And that's what I think

01:06:23.700 a lot of it is.

01:06:24.380 I think a lot of people

01:06:25.180 that claim

01:06:26.380 to be

01:06:27.100 really evolved

01:06:28.720 people

01:06:29.340 who really want

01:06:30.860 to help other people

01:06:31.860 are just trying.

01:06:33.000 She just wants 1.00

01:06:33.540 a line of consumer goods.

01:06:34.840 Yeah.

01:06:35.180 That's all she wants.

01:06:35.940 We actually

01:06:36.560 give it to her.

01:06:37.520 We just looked this up.

01:06:38.600 So she

01:06:38.980 there was a soundbite

01:06:39.900 of her saying

01:06:40.440 she really wanted

01:06:41.440 her merch 0.60

01:06:42.700 that she's selling

01:06:43.900 to be prestige.

01:06:46.180 Yes.

01:06:46.740 Not prestigious.

01:06:47.340 She wanted it to be

01:06:48.060 prestige.

01:06:49.120 Yeah.

01:06:49.620 But at like a price point

01:06:51.380 everyone can afford.

01:06:52.960 Yeah.

01:06:53.260 So we looked it up.

01:06:54.460 She's got a raspberry spread

01:06:55.860 under the as ever

01:06:58.400 variable.

01:06:59.380 Raspberry spread.

01:07:00.600 You can get it for $14

01:07:01.600 or you can get

01:07:03.060 it at Walmart

01:07:04.540 under the Smucker's label

01:07:06.760 for $3.47.

01:07:09.000 Right.

01:07:09.700 Herbal lemon ginger tea

01:07:11.140 as ever

01:07:12.020 will charge you $12

01:07:13.200 or you can get it

01:07:14.580 from Yogi

01:07:15.500 for $4.46.

01:07:17.940 Shortbread cookie mix

01:07:19.260 as ever

01:07:19.860 will charge you $14.

01:07:22.100 My better batch

01:07:23.120 which is high end

01:07:23.780 $7.99.

01:07:24.880 Right.

01:07:25.280 Then there's

01:07:25.940 wildflower honey

01:07:27.080 with honeycomb

01:07:28.240 as ever

01:07:29.120 $28.

01:07:30.980 Amazon

01:07:31.480 $11.

01:07:33.320 Right.

01:07:33.540 And then there's crepe mix

01:07:34.400 which you can get

01:07:34.840 from her

01:07:35.200 for $14

01:07:35.840 or you can get it

01:07:36.940 from New Hope Mills

01:07:37.680 for $5.

01:07:39.300 Yep.

01:07:39.700 So you tell me

01:07:40.600 whether this person

01:07:41.480 has actually

01:07:42.440 landed the plane.

01:07:44.000 Right.

01:07:44.540 On prestige

01:07:45.300 but totally affordable.

01:07:46.700 Well what's brilliant

01:07:47.380 about what she's doing

01:07:48.260 is she knows people

01:07:48.960 want to spend money

01:07:49.840 and spending money

01:07:51.180 makes them feel

01:07:52.040 like they're getting

01:07:52.620 something that's better

01:07:53.760 even though it might

01:07:54.620 not necessarily be true.

01:07:57.060 And I think

01:07:57.800 it's brilliant.

01:07:59.000 You can tell

01:07:59.840 when you watch the show

01:08:00.600 she thinks people

01:08:01.780 just we're all animals

01:08:04.000 and that's her view.

01:08:06.560 She just thinks

01:08:07.080 we're all monsters

01:08:07.900 and we're all just 1.00

01:08:09.720 kind of pigs in the mud 0.90

01:08:11.040 and that she's helping us 0.99

01:08:13.460 with jam

01:08:14.740 and honey.

01:08:16.500 It's also very weirdly British 1.00

01:08:18.160 isn't it?

01:08:18.960 Yeah.

01:08:19.300 With her little flower sprinkles

01:08:20.540 her garden.

01:08:22.080 It's kind of oddly British 1.00

01:08:23.320 for somebody

01:08:23.840 who went over there

01:08:24.460 and realized

01:08:24.860 it was just 0.95

01:08:25.440 a racist horrible place. 0.82

01:08:27.800 there's a lot of jam 0.98

01:08:29.040 and tea

01:08:29.960 and honey.

01:08:30.720 And why is she using 0.79

01:08:31.340 all the royal crown

01:08:32.640 on her stationery?

01:08:34.020 I thought she hated

01:08:34.480 being a royal.

01:08:35.200 I thought she wanted 0.99

01:08:36.180 to eschew the royal life

01:08:37.480 and come back to America. 0.66

01:08:38.860 Well it seems

01:08:39.560 it's just very interesting

01:08:41.100 and seeing it all happen

01:08:42.760 in real time

01:08:43.320 fills me with just

01:08:44.240 it fills me with

01:08:45.340 a

01:08:45.540 I recognize

01:08:48.440 how

01:08:49.120 how much

01:08:50.340 this was the plan

01:08:51.120 the whole time

01:08:51.860 and you gotta

01:08:52.320 give your hats off to her. 1.00

01:08:54.200 It's hard to enhance

01:08:55.140 your brand that quickly.

01:08:56.700 No.

01:08:56.880 Get your name

01:08:57.760 out there

01:08:58.340 in a ubiquitous way.

01:08:59.700 No one needs honey

01:09:00.560 right now.

01:09:01.780 No one.

01:09:02.040 No one needs jam.

01:09:03.420 There's not one

01:09:04.540 systemic racist problem

01:09:06.300 that she's 0.87

01:09:06.920 that

01:09:07.520 like

01:09:07.960 no one needs jam.

01:09:09.620 There's not one person

01:09:11.000 wrongly accused

01:09:12.160 of something

01:09:12.740 or whatever

01:09:13.620 doesn't have money

01:09:14.160 for a lawyer

01:09:14.600 that's looking for

01:09:16.060 elderberries

01:09:16.920 or wildflowers

01:09:18.980 or whatever the hell

01:09:19.560 she's talking about.

01:09:20.840 The only people

01:09:21.800 that are concerned

01:09:22.300 with this stuff

01:09:22.740 are people like

01:09:23.440 she lives in

01:09:24.040 Mary Montecito

01:09:24.700 that's so wealthy

01:09:25.780 they're not even

01:09:26.960 on earth anymore

01:09:27.780 and it's a beautiful area

01:09:28.900 it's a great area

01:09:29.440 but they float around

01:09:30.880 and they have tea

01:09:32.420 and they pick flowers

01:09:34.120 they live in a fairy tale

01:09:35.580 she makes sun tea

01:09:36.760 yeah sun tea

01:09:38.040 and you know

01:09:39.500 like we all have time to do

01:09:40.420 yeah she just 0.99

01:09:41.040 they kind of sit around

01:09:42.080 in their backyards

01:09:42.980 and they enjoy this

01:09:43.800 and they smell lavender

01:09:45.140 and stuff like that

01:09:46.120 yeah

01:09:46.340 and

01:09:46.960 that's not how you're living

01:09:47.860 in LA right now

01:09:48.480 it's not how we're living

01:09:49.560 no

01:09:49.860 we're sitting by our doors

01:09:52.680 with guns

01:09:53.380 like normal people

01:09:55.960 yeah

01:09:56.240 we're sitting by the door

01:09:57.140 with a gun

01:09:57.720 waiting for someone

01:09:58.540 to come in

01:09:59.160 that's how we're living

01:10:01.540 and check the sun tea

01:10:03.200 yeah

01:10:03.560 yeah

01:10:03.920 no one's making

01:10:05.140 if you have honey

01:10:06.700 in your house

01:10:07.260 you're using it as a weapon

01:10:08.540 you don't have a local beekeeper

01:10:09.880 no

01:10:10.180 there's no local beekeeper

01:10:11.580 there's no gardens

01:10:12.640 they've all burned

01:10:13.580 yes

01:10:14.360 yeah

01:10:14.740 well

01:10:15.280 I have a treat for you

01:10:16.520 because

01:10:16.720 in addition to her new

01:10:18.160 Netflix show

01:10:18.860 yeah

01:10:19.180 she has launched

01:10:20.560 yet another podcast

01:10:22.040 thank god

01:10:22.640 this one is about

01:10:23.460 thank god

01:10:24.000 yes

01:10:24.240 this one is about

01:10:24.940 founders

01:10:26.080 um

01:10:26.800 what's

01:10:27.800 how does she style it

01:10:28.700 is it all female founders

01:10:29.400 yes

01:10:30.000 please stop

01:10:30.900 I think it's all female founders

01:10:31.900 is it female founders 1.00

01:10:33.020 female founders

01:10:33.860 right

01:10:34.200 confessions of a female founder

01:10:35.980 thank god

01:10:36.540 what are they thinking

01:10:37.880 about these female founders

01:10:39.240 oh here you go

01:10:40.040 what are they doing

01:10:40.800 she starts with herself

01:10:41.860 because she now considers

01:10:42.880 herself a founder

01:10:44.120 and it's hard to find

01:10:45.720 when you are married

01:10:47.760 to a prince

01:10:48.540 how do you start a business

01:10:49.700 that's a real question

01:10:51.260 because the struggle

01:10:52.500 she had to go through

01:10:53.260 being married to a prince

01:10:54.320 and being one of the most

01:10:55.240 famous people in the world

01:10:56.200 how do you start a business

01:10:57.820 when you're rich and famous

01:10:59.160 your castle's too small

01:11:00.400 it's hard

01:11:01.220 your grandmother

01:11:02.840 your spouse's grandmother

01:11:04.700 doesn't seem to really like you

01:11:06.260 and then dies

01:11:06.920 yeah

01:11:07.420 I mean like

01:11:08.100 your one greatest connection

01:11:09.320 is now out

01:11:10.000 thank god

01:11:10.900 because I want to know

01:11:12.200 how this all happened

01:11:13.160 and I want to get into the mind

01:11:14.340 of the female founder

01:11:15.240 here we go

01:11:15.740 here's this founder

01:11:17.080 discussing I think

01:11:18.060 remember when she pretended

01:11:19.000 to like poor people

01:11:20.000 that lasted a few weeks

01:11:21.420 no I don't

01:11:21.960 sex workers 0.90

01:11:23.140 I remember that

01:11:23.820 with her inspo messages

01:11:25.160 on the bananas

01:11:25.620 here she is

01:11:26.700 on her new podcast

01:11:27.540 let's be honest

01:11:29.780 launching a business

01:11:31.060 it can be

01:11:31.720 so overwhelming

01:11:33.520 even with the best of teams

01:11:35.540 it'll keep you up at night

01:11:37.800 for example

01:11:39.240 a month ago

01:11:39.860 I was absolutely

01:11:41.860 consumed

01:11:44.080 with packaging

01:11:45.860 boxes

01:11:47.700 it's all I could think about

01:11:49.760 and I would sit there

01:11:51.380 doing the unboxing

01:11:52.400 in my head

01:11:53.020 is there tissue paper

01:11:54.140 what about the packing peanuts

01:11:55.100 but they're biodegradable

01:11:56.000 and where does the sticker go

01:11:56.840 and hold on

01:11:57.260 what size the box is going to be

01:11:58.340 and no that's not going to fit

01:11:59.060 all the skews

01:11:59.520 oh my gosh

01:12:01.060 and then someone says

01:12:01.980 but you don't want to brand

01:12:02.820 the outside of the box

01:12:03.600 because a porch pirate

01:12:04.620 had never heard that before

01:12:06.220 what's a porch pirate

01:12:07.480 and then I'm sitting there

01:12:08.740 and I'm like

01:12:09.020 does any of this

01:12:09.860 actually matter

01:12:10.820 of course it matters

01:12:11.880 it matters at the beginning

01:12:12.960 but how much does it matter

01:12:14.820 oh my god

01:12:16.220 yeah

01:12:17.360 I mean

01:12:17.920 it's

01:12:18.540 well she's also

01:12:21.160 it's

01:12:21.640 you know

01:12:22.340 she's kept up at night

01:12:23.680 because she's

01:12:24.460 you know

01:12:24.960 half the staff quit

01:12:26.140 that's right

01:12:27.060 they quit

01:12:27.540 on any given day

01:12:28.500 on any given day

01:12:29.620 the staff will quit

01:12:30.960 because

01:12:31.820 she just 0.65

01:12:32.920 you know

01:12:33.520 launches into a tirade

01:12:35.140 and for whatever reason

01:12:36.640 they feel unsafe

01:12:38.080 she's been accused

01:12:39.020 multiple times

01:12:39.960 of being a bullying abuser

01:12:41.420 well she's throwing honey 1.00

01:12:42.700 at people's heads

01:12:43.480 and stuff

01:12:44.060 so she's kept up

01:12:45.620 at night wondering

01:12:46.280 about what lawsuits

01:12:47.340 will trickle in

01:12:48.540 because of the abusive

01:12:50.160 behavior towards the staff

01:12:51.460 you're like

01:12:51.720 that

01:12:52.160 didn't that sound bite

01:12:53.080 just hit so many

01:12:54.020 of the leftist boxes

01:12:54.940 like are they biodegradable

01:12:56.440 yes

01:12:56.840 and what does the packaging

01:12:57.800 look like

01:12:57.980 what I like about her

01:12:59.140 I actually

01:12:59.500 I've gone the other way

01:13:00.300 now because

01:13:00.780 now that she's

01:13:02.120 coming out 0.98

01:13:02.720 as a monster

01:13:03.440 I like

01:13:06.200 like I'm actually

01:13:07.000 on board

01:13:07.820 now

01:13:08.060 into it

01:13:08.620 I'm into it

01:13:09.600 because

01:13:09.960 now

01:13:10.360 by the way

01:13:10.900 she's no longer

01:13:12.340 even

01:13:12.960 there's no longer

01:13:14.000 even

01:13:14.460 an attempt

01:13:15.660 it's such a

01:13:16.820 thinly veiled

01:13:17.820 attempt

01:13:18.320 to be this

01:13:19.700 conscientious

01:13:20.820 person

01:13:21.760 you know

01:13:22.440 she's really

01:13:23.140 just saying

01:13:23.800 like

01:13:24.040 I'm a founder

01:13:25.260 yeah

01:13:25.760 I'm a founder

01:13:27.020 and I'm a big

01:13:28.100 business

01:13:28.740 tycoon

01:13:30.380 and it's tough

01:13:31.200 for me

01:13:31.580 can I tell you

01:13:31.960 she's not the only

01:13:32.820 extremely rich woman 0.92

01:13:34.580 yeah

01:13:35.000 who you know

01:13:36.000 in her case

01:13:37.100 it's questionable

01:13:38.280 but in a lot of these

01:13:39.020 other women's cases

01:13:39.640 their husbands

01:13:41.080 are multi-millionaires

01:13:42.280 or billionaires

01:13:42.940 yes

01:13:43.080 and then the women 1.00

01:13:44.180 like open a charity

01:13:45.480 yes

01:13:46.080 or like give their money

01:13:46.860 to somebody

01:13:47.380 and then they're like

01:13:48.400 I'm an entrepreneur

01:13:49.080 I'm an entrepreneur

01:13:50.500 it's like

01:13:50.960 I'm a founder

01:13:51.880 look

01:13:52.280 I appreciate

01:13:53.360 that you gave

01:13:54.220 people with jam

01:13:55.220 I see that your husband

01:13:57.600 made billions of dollars

01:13:58.840 but the fact that

01:13:59.740 you spent some of it

01:14:00.980 doesn't make you a founder

01:14:02.620 well it's also

01:14:03.180 she never cared

01:14:04.160 you know

01:14:04.940 it was all about

01:14:06.100 in the beginning

01:14:06.720 it was all about

01:14:07.360 like unwinding

01:14:08.240 the systems of oppression

01:14:09.660 yeah

01:14:10.020 remember that

01:14:11.240 that's done

01:14:11.680 didn't you know

01:14:12.280 remember that

01:14:13.000 she solved that

01:14:13.620 remember that

01:14:14.240 it was like

01:14:14.620 she would go to

01:14:15.520 like a third world country 0.95

01:14:16.780 and there'd be a bunch

01:14:17.600 of kids dancing

01:14:18.420 and she'd take a photo

01:14:19.860 with them

01:14:20.300 now it seems

01:14:21.700 much more about

01:14:22.760 like

01:14:23.120 she's looking at

01:14:23.960 like Gwyneth Paltrow

01:14:24.800 what Gwyneth Paltrow

01:14:25.640 did with her store

01:14:26.680 yes

01:14:27.040 goop or whatever

01:14:28.100 I think it's goop

01:14:28.920 goop

01:14:29.480 yeah

01:14:29.680 and I think

01:14:30.100 she's looking at that

01:14:30.840 going that's what

01:14:31.300 she wants to be

01:14:31.660 she wants to be

01:14:32.100 Martha Stewart

01:14:32.660 yeah

01:14:33.080 although what I found out

01:14:34.600 after the fact

01:14:35.180 was she launched

01:14:36.820 her show

01:14:37.380 with showing you

01:14:38.400 how to make

01:14:38.760 this one recipe

01:14:39.680 it's like one pot pasta

01:14:41.080 you make it on the stove

01:14:42.260 and then everybody

01:14:43.800 flooded Twitter

01:14:44.620 with the fact

01:14:45.480 that that apparently

01:14:46.780 is a Martha Stewart recipe

01:14:48.500 sure

01:14:48.900 that's apparently

01:14:49.440 very well known

01:14:50.180 in Martha Stewart land

01:14:51.180 yeah

01:14:51.220 so even the inaugural

01:14:52.420 episode is cheating

01:14:53.980 off of somebody else's

01:14:55.240 well I mean

01:14:56.120 you gotta hand it to her

01:14:57.480 she knows that

01:14:58.960 we don't have a memory

01:15:00.120 yes

01:15:00.880 the country doesn't

01:15:01.980 have a memory

01:15:02.780 we have a fatally

01:15:03.820 short memory

01:15:04.740 and we're kind of

01:15:06.320 tolerant of however

01:15:07.240 people want to

01:15:08.020 reintroduce themselves

01:15:09.120 in the moment

01:15:09.880 yes

01:15:10.360 so she understands

01:15:11.540 America

01:15:11.980 I didn't know

01:15:12.580 better than I do

01:15:14.300 or maybe you do

01:15:15.160 because she gets it

01:15:16.680 we love the huckster

01:15:18.480 we root for the huckster

01:15:19.720 we root for

01:15:21.020 kind of the criminal

01:15:21.840 sometimes

01:15:22.400 and she's kind of

01:15:23.900 assuming that role

01:15:24.860 of going

01:15:25.260 this is who I am today

01:15:26.320 right

01:15:26.680 I found my wave

01:15:28.240 I'm gonna ride it

01:15:29.180 I found my wave

01:15:29.820 now speaking of

01:15:30.720 not having a memory

01:15:31.560 yeah

01:15:32.100 Gavin Newsom is out there

01:15:33.660 he's out there

01:15:34.240 and you've got some

01:15:36.100 thoughts about him

01:15:37.020 hold on

01:15:37.520 we have a clip

01:15:39.020 that I want to show

01:15:39.920 this is from

01:15:41.820 your show

01:15:42.500 not the special

01:15:43.660 but here's a bit

01:15:44.780 yeah the podcast

01:15:45.680 from March 36

01:15:47.300 clearly copying me

01:15:49.800 I had Steve Bannon

01:15:51.100 on

01:15:51.280 he had Steve Bannon

01:15:52.420 on

01:15:52.620 he's literally

01:15:53.940 copying me

01:15:54.800 the governor

01:15:55.940 of California

01:15:56.460 Gavin Newsom

01:15:57.000 now by the way

01:15:57.720 we don't

01:15:58.620 this is not

01:15:59.400 what politicians

01:16:00.160 should be doing

01:16:00.680 his starting podcast

01:16:01.520 no one wanted this

01:16:03.020 no one who's sitting

01:16:03.980 in an ash heap

01:16:04.760 in Altadena

01:16:05.360 wants him on a podcast

01:16:06.440 they want him

01:16:07.360 to run the state

01:16:08.200 you just

01:16:09.100 you have a job

01:16:10.200 you have a job

01:16:11.800 it's the governor

01:16:12.400 of California

01:16:13.020 that's a hard job

01:16:14.580 right

01:16:14.840 he keeps saying it is

01:16:15.980 the state's very big

01:16:17.440 it's the

01:16:18.520 seventh largest economy

01:16:19.940 in the world

01:16:20.500 or whatever he's saying

01:16:21.140 how in God's name

01:16:22.580 do you have the time

01:16:24.020 to do a pod

01:16:24.620 can you imagine

01:16:25.560 launching a podcast

01:16:26.480 in the ash heap

01:16:27.600 of your state

01:16:29.340 he's now doing a pod

01:16:31.120 is he gonna have ads

01:16:31.880 is he gonna read ads

01:16:32.800 is Gavin Newsom

01:16:33.380 gonna read ads

01:16:34.200 while people try

01:16:34.860 to find housing

01:16:35.560 in his state

01:16:36.580 it's such a good point

01:16:38.660 yeah

01:16:38.980 he's totally copying you

01:16:40.900 well you know what it is

01:16:41.940 he

01:16:42.580 watching him

01:16:44.560 try and fail

01:16:45.900 to be a human being

01:16:47.420 is a very interesting thing

01:16:49.740 and that's what he's been

01:16:51.660 kind of doing

01:16:52.340 you know

01:16:52.740 Gavin is a

01:16:54.320 ambitious guy

01:16:56.520 who thought he was gonna run

01:16:58.520 for president last time

01:16:59.960 yeah

01:17:00.280 it's clearly obvious

01:17:01.440 to everybody

01:17:02.160 how many times

01:17:03.600 did he say

01:17:04.020 I'm standing with Biden

01:17:05.320 he said it so many times

01:17:07.560 it was like

01:17:08.580 the lady doth protest 1.00

01:17:09.640 too much

01:17:10.060 yeah

01:17:10.240 he clearly thought

01:17:11.600 he was angling for that

01:17:12.600 they

01:17:13.520 he got passed over

01:17:15.360 okay

01:17:16.180 for

01:17:16.620 for a

01:17:17.280 unpopular

01:17:18.500 candidate

01:17:19.760 who

01:17:20.120 got trounced

01:17:21.120 he thinks he's coming

01:17:22.780 back again

01:17:23.520 and he's trying

01:17:25.480 everything he can

01:17:26.360 to appear

01:17:27.060 like

01:17:27.620 a human being

01:17:29.020 when you're so ambitious

01:17:31.020 Markle Newsom

01:17:32.260 it's the same type

01:17:33.260 of person

01:17:33.780 they just

01:17:35.160 want

01:17:35.860 the thing

01:17:36.640 whatever it is

01:17:37.880 they want

01:17:38.960 the title

01:17:40.460 they want

01:17:41.080 the status

01:17:41.760 they don't

01:17:42.520 believe in anything

01:17:43.480 Gavin Newsom

01:17:44.460 doesn't believe

01:17:45.100 in it

01:17:45.360 Meghan Markle

01:17:45.840 doesn't believe

01:17:46.460 in anything

01:17:46.960 so when you

01:17:48.120 have

01:17:48.720 people like that

01:17:50.560 their guiding principle

01:17:51.700 is only ambition

01:17:52.900 Kamala Harris

01:17:53.880 didn't believe

01:17:54.480 in anything

01:17:54.900 no

01:17:55.160 say what you want

01:17:56.000 about Donald Trump

01:17:56.800 he said the same

01:17:57.980 thing about tariffs

01:17:58.720 for 30-40 years

01:17:59.900 yes

01:18:00.220 okay

01:18:00.840 people

01:18:02.940 like

01:18:04.040 Kamala Harris

01:18:05.320 or Gavin Newsom

01:18:06.220 just want

01:18:07.560 the thing

01:18:08.220 it's a vibes

01:18:09.720 based thing

01:18:10.760 they want

01:18:12.120 people to feel

01:18:12.780 a certain way

01:18:13.340 they want to make

01:18:13.840 people feel a certain way

01:18:14.780 so when you saw him

01:18:15.660 say to Charlie Kirk

01:18:16.680 yeah

01:18:17.720 for me

01:18:18.280 it's a fairness issue

01:18:19.140 about boys playing

01:18:19.940 in girls sports

01:18:20.540 yeah

01:18:20.820 you know

01:18:21.080 claiming that they're girls 0.89

01:18:21.920 it's just

01:18:22.500 it's a fairness issue

01:18:23.320 you know

01:18:23.440 I got daughters

01:18:24.140 right

01:18:24.660 and then just

01:18:25.080 this week

01:18:25.700 somebody asked him

01:18:26.440 about it

01:18:26.640 because they tried

01:18:27.000 to push through

01:18:27.420 a bill out in

01:18:27.900 California

01:18:28.280 to protect

01:18:29.060 and he

01:18:29.540 it didn't go anywhere

01:18:30.860 they didn't protect

01:18:31.760 girls 0.98

01:18:32.120 and he's like

01:18:32.860 you know

01:18:33.000 I just

01:18:33.200 can't figure it out

01:18:34.140 I just

01:18:34.500 I tried to think

01:18:35.460 about how to make

01:18:35.980 it more fair

01:18:36.260 I just can't figure it out

01:18:37.440 he goes

01:18:37.800 I just want to be president

01:18:39.020 that's what he wants

01:18:39.900 to do

01:18:40.240 it's really what he's saying

01:18:40.680 it's really what he wants

01:18:41.580 to do

01:18:41.920 he doesn't have

01:18:43.180 a specific set of beliefs

01:18:45.000 he doesn't care

01:18:45.840 it doesn't mean anything to him

01:18:46.880 so he'll pander to anybody

01:18:47.940 anybody

01:18:48.260 if he were across from

01:18:49.720 Donald Trump

01:18:50.180 you think he'd pander

01:18:50.840 absolutely

01:18:51.480 because the way

01:18:53.440 that people like

01:18:54.020 Gavin Newsom

01:18:54.620 get far

01:18:55.280 the way that people

01:18:56.360 like Kamala Harris

01:18:57.040 get far

01:18:57.440 and there's a lot

01:18:57.780 of Republicans

01:18:58.280 by the way

01:18:58.800 who get far

01:18:59.680 the same way

01:19:00.720 is they don't have

01:19:01.980 a fixed set

01:19:02.960 of principles

01:19:03.620 because if you have

01:19:04.760 a fixed set

01:19:05.360 of principles

01:19:05.800 Bernie Sanders

01:19:06.460 whatever you want

01:19:07.040 to say about him

01:19:07.640 has a fixed set

01:19:08.420 of principles

01:19:08.980 you know

01:19:09.880 for the most part

01:19:10.800 he's been saying

01:19:11.600 a lot of the same

01:19:12.480 things for 30 years

01:19:13.460 now that means

01:19:15.100 that eventually

01:19:15.980 someone comes around

01:19:17.100 to you

01:19:17.680 or you're out there

01:19:18.920 in the cold

01:19:19.420 now Gavin

01:19:20.640 and Kamala

01:19:21.180 people like that

01:19:21.700 they don't ever

01:19:22.280 want to be out

01:19:22.760 in the cold

01:19:23.140 they constantly

01:19:23.840 want to be

01:19:24.340 in the rooms

01:19:24.980 that matter

01:19:25.500 so you have

01:19:26.700 to go with

01:19:27.400 the flow

01:19:27.900 when the world

01:19:29.740 goes a certain way

01:19:30.520 you got to go

01:19:30.920 with the world

01:19:31.420 so when Americans

01:19:32.400 render a verdict

01:19:33.260 on the biological men

01:19:34.980 in women's sports

01:19:35.880 and say

01:19:36.180 we don't want this

01:19:37.040 Gavin Newsom

01:19:38.140 then has to move

01:19:39.200 in that direction

01:19:40.140 but when he's

01:19:41.780 in his own state

01:19:42.760 and he's asked

01:19:43.800 about it

01:19:44.260 and the time

01:19:44.840 is to do something

01:19:45.560 about it

01:19:46.060 he's constantly

01:19:47.420 monitoring and going

01:19:48.780 is this the right

01:19:49.940 thing to say here

01:19:50.800 is this the right

01:19:51.340 thing to say there

01:19:52.020 so you know

01:19:53.480 he can have it all

01:19:53.880 he can try

01:19:55.360 but he's definitely

01:19:56.220 trying

01:19:56.520 his popularity

01:19:57.840 is plummeting

01:19:58.520 that doesn't work

01:19:59.920 anymore

01:20:00.340 that's my

01:20:01.700 I guess

01:20:02.360 thought about it

01:20:03.260 the way that

01:20:04.460 politics has worked

01:20:05.660 forever

01:20:06.080 which was

01:20:06.620 Gavin Newsom's

01:20:07.740 Kamala Harris

01:20:08.220 it's been people

01:20:09.060 say whatever the hell

01:20:09.820 you have to 0.89

01:20:10.220 say whatever the hell

01:20:11.140 you have to

01:20:11.660 Lindsey Graham

01:20:12.200 is like a lot of times

01:20:12.900 says whatever

01:20:13.320 he has to

01:20:13.900 he's everywhere

01:20:14.240 right he's everywhere

01:20:15.160 these people don't

01:20:16.000 care about anything

01:20:16.600 that's not working

01:20:18.480 anymore because

01:20:19.100 of the internet

01:20:19.760 you're able to

01:20:21.160 immediately go

01:20:21.760 wait a minute

01:20:22.900 you said that

01:20:24.240 last week

01:20:24.920 where are you

01:20:27.100 on this now 0.99

01:20:27.600 you're just a phony 1.00

01:20:28.340 you're a phony 1.00

01:20:29.240 and you put together 1.00

01:20:30.080 these you know

01:20:31.860 compilations of people

01:20:32.740 just being for it

01:20:33.800 and against it

01:20:34.540 and this and that

01:20:35.240 it doesn't work anymore

01:20:36.480 and I think that's

01:20:37.460 going that's a major change

01:20:38.680 so one person who is

01:20:40.020 the opposite of that

01:20:41.240 he's completely authentic

01:20:42.840 in his weirdness

01:20:44.640 his greatness

01:20:45.340 his brilliance

01:20:46.340 is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

01:20:48.520 he's 100%

01:20:49.580 he feels the way he feels

01:20:51.740 agree or disagree

01:20:53.000 yeah

01:20:53.540 he's 100% been saying

01:20:55.420 the same things

01:20:56.060 for 30 years

01:20:56.700 even the picadillos

01:20:57.620 even like

01:20:58.160 yeah we cut off

01:20:59.180 the head of a bear

01:21:00.160 like whatever

01:21:01.400 and also a whale

01:21:02.580 it was a thing

01:21:04.300 and I used to be

01:21:05.040 addicted to heroin

01:21:05.620 he's not trying

01:21:07.500 to impress you

01:21:08.540 or downplay

01:21:09.680 anything he's done

01:21:10.560 and so I know

01:21:12.620 that you became

01:21:13.220 his fan

01:21:13.660 and his friend

01:21:14.400 yes I'm friends

01:21:15.100 with him

01:21:15.320 I like his family

01:21:16.300 he's a good dude

01:21:17.300 have you done

01:21:17.740 social things with him

01:21:18.700 yeah him and his wife

01:21:19.520 are great

01:21:19.860 Cheryl's great

01:21:20.500 he's great

01:21:20.760 what have you guys

01:21:21.380 done together

01:21:21.800 how does that go

01:21:22.600 we've gone to dinner

01:21:23.180 a few times

01:21:23.940 I went to their

01:21:24.580 compound on the 4th of July

01:21:26.100 which was really cool

01:21:26.900 to see

01:21:27.200 it's a big part

01:21:27.760 of American history

01:21:28.460 the Kennedy compound

01:21:29.380 yeah for an Irish Catholic

01:21:31.480 guy that's a pretty good

01:21:32.300 did anybody die

01:21:33.040 or it was good

01:21:33.800 I mean

01:21:34.380 no no one died

01:21:36.020 thankfully

01:21:36.440 but they do

01:21:37.180 dangerous activities

01:21:38.140 it's not

01:21:39.020 like you can see

01:21:40.040 how it happens

01:21:40.680 yeah

01:21:41.160 it's in the blood

01:21:42.080 they're adrenaline junkies

01:21:43.180 you know what I mean

01:21:43.840 they're very much

01:21:44.860 did you meet Schlossberg

01:21:47.200 the son

01:21:48.080 the grandson of JFK

01:21:49.380 because he seems

01:21:49.900 to be a little

01:21:50.820 untethered

01:21:51.000 they seem to be

01:21:51.700 on opposite sides

01:21:52.720 of the thing

01:21:53.220 don't worry about that

01:21:53.760 yeah no they seem

01:21:55.520 very opposite

01:21:56.120 so he was there

01:21:57.360 and the whole family

01:21:57.920 was there

01:21:58.160 because he's

01:21:58.500 persona non grata

01:21:59.240 he was not there

01:22:00.180 I actually went

01:22:00.740 with his kids

01:22:01.620 he wasn't there

01:22:02.200 him and Cheryl

01:22:02.760 weren't there

01:22:03.120 that weekend

01:22:03.440 they were somewhere else

01:22:04.020 but they could have

01:22:04.460 been there

01:22:04.660 I think that like

01:22:05.280 listen it's a family

01:22:06.060 they disagree about stuff

01:22:07.220 it's a high stakes family

01:22:08.820 they disagree about a lot

01:22:09.780 of stuff and it's very public

01:22:11.000 yeah

01:22:11.380 but I think at the end

01:22:12.120 of the day

01:22:12.580 it is a family

01:22:14.560 and it's a you know

01:22:17.300 important family

01:22:18.820 in terms of the history

01:22:20.580 of America

01:22:21.160 so when you have

01:22:22.240 as I don't know

01:22:23.180 him like that

01:22:23.600 I've supported him

01:22:24.780 but I don't know

01:22:25.660 him personally like that

01:22:26.480 so when you have dinner

01:22:27.500 with RFKJ

01:22:28.440 does he always talk

01:22:29.720 policy and history

01:22:30.820 he talks a lot

01:22:31.960 about that stuff

01:22:32.720 and he's very

01:22:33.640 very passionate about it

01:22:35.040 and again

01:22:35.920 you don't get the vibe

01:22:37.920 that this is someone

01:22:38.920 angling

01:22:39.600 to be famous

01:22:41.320 yeah

01:22:41.840 that's not why

01:22:43.040 genuinely

01:22:43.680 that's not why

01:22:44.560 he like

01:22:45.240 you know

01:22:45.620 went after

01:22:46.340 polluters forever

01:22:47.860 when that was

01:22:48.760 incredibly unpopular

01:22:49.940 that's not

01:22:51.400 why he

01:22:52.280 talked about

01:22:53.280 vaccines during

01:22:54.020 the pandemic

01:22:54.560 when that was

01:22:55.200 incredibly unpopular

01:22:56.340 he feels

01:22:57.200 the way he feels

01:22:58.560 and I think that

01:22:59.260 the only way

01:23:00.420 to get out

01:23:01.060 of the

01:23:01.540 the climate

01:23:02.560 we're in

01:23:03.060 in America

01:23:04.220 in the sense of like

01:23:05.380 we need people

01:23:06.500 who have

01:23:07.080 genuine convictions

01:23:08.260 and they can

01:23:09.540 debate about them

01:23:10.360 and they can

01:23:10.680 argue about them

01:23:11.400 but we need

01:23:11.740 people with

01:23:12.060 genuine convictions

01:23:12.600 and he has

01:23:13.000 genuine convictions

01:23:13.820 how do you think

01:23:14.720 Cheryl is surviving

01:23:16.020 yeah

01:23:16.740 in the Hollywood

01:23:17.600 crowd

01:23:18.220 I think it's

01:23:19.700 I think she's

01:23:20.440 an incredibly

01:23:21.180 funny

01:23:21.860 smart

01:23:22.920 talented person

01:23:24.080 who's

01:23:24.700 respected in her

01:23:26.080 own right

01:23:26.520 as a great

01:23:27.020 actress

01:23:27.420 great comedic

01:23:28.020 actress

01:23:28.340 and I think

01:23:29.080 she has real

01:23:29.500 friends and real

01:23:30.140 relationships

01:23:30.680 and I think

01:23:31.300 I think

01:23:32.320 that that's

01:23:33.060 also changing

01:23:33.620 a lot of

01:23:34.000 people in

01:23:34.580 that state

01:23:35.320 and in that

01:23:36.320 business

01:23:36.820 are also

01:23:37.780 starting to

01:23:38.560 moderate a

01:23:39.320 little bit

01:23:39.680 because I

01:23:40.540 think they're

01:23:41.020 starting to

01:23:41.540 see that

01:23:42.300 you know

01:23:43.280 they have

01:23:44.140 drifted far

01:23:45.100 from the

01:23:45.480 mainstream

01:23:45.840 of American

01:23:46.600 life

01:23:47.440 and I think

01:23:48.420 they're starting

01:23:48.880 to come back

01:23:49.480 and what

01:23:50.180 he's saying

01:23:51.220 is like

01:23:51.980 Maha

01:23:52.400 is basically

01:23:53.080 let's try

01:23:54.320 to help

01:23:54.700 make the

01:23:55.320 country safer

01:23:56.080 the kids

01:23:56.720 healthier

01:23:57.300 the moms

01:23:57.980 and dads

01:23:58.420 healthier

01:23:58.900 he just

01:23:59.960 said

01:24:00.180 this is

01:24:00.480 in our

01:24:00.700 AM update

01:24:01.140 today

01:24:01.380 he wants

01:24:01.940 to find

01:24:02.300 a cure

01:24:03.180 or diagnosis

01:24:04.000 no

01:24:04.520 the cause

01:24:05.500 of autism

01:24:06.320 by September

01:24:07.840 yeah

01:24:08.380 it's

01:24:08.740 it feels

01:24:09.080 like a

01:24:09.340 moonshot

01:24:09.840 right

01:24:10.380 it's like

01:24:10.740 we've been

01:24:11.140 trying

01:24:11.440 like who

01:24:12.780 would be

01:24:13.040 against that

01:24:13.680 yeah

01:24:14.400 I think

01:24:15.380 the

01:24:16.220 problem

01:24:17.360 with everything

01:24:17.900 now

01:24:18.340 is that

01:24:19.420 people

01:24:20.220 have

01:24:21.120 a visceral

01:24:22.000 reaction

01:24:22.680 to

01:24:23.920 certain

01:24:25.120 people

01:24:25.720 meaning

01:24:26.640 like

01:24:27.300 for whatever

01:24:28.440 reason

01:24:28.900 there are

01:24:29.260 certain

01:24:29.640 people

01:24:29.940 like

01:24:30.120 Steve

01:24:30.320 Bannon

01:24:30.580 on my

01:24:31.380 show

01:24:31.580 I had

01:24:32.220 liberals

01:24:32.460 calling me

01:24:33.020 going

01:24:33.340 oh my

01:24:34.520 god

01:24:34.800 I agree

01:24:35.920 with

01:24:36.160 Steve

01:24:36.460 Bannon

01:24:36.800 yes

01:24:37.580 and they

01:24:37.960 go

01:24:38.080 wow

01:24:41.300 this guy

01:24:41.920 made a lot

01:24:42.320 of great

01:24:42.580 points

01:24:42.860 but there

01:24:43.240 are certain

01:24:43.940 people

01:24:44.520 who said

01:24:46.240 I cannot

01:24:47.040 believe

01:24:48.140 you

01:24:48.420 I will

01:24:49.380 never

01:24:49.980 listen

01:24:50.740 this guy

01:24:51.900 is a

01:24:52.260 white 0.98

01:24:52.680 supremacist 1.00

01:24:53.460 he's a

01:24:53.840 not

01:24:54.080 and I

01:24:54.340 go

01:24:54.420 he's

01:24:54.720 none

01:24:55.040 of that

01:24:55.460 listen

01:24:56.180 to the

01:24:56.480 episode

01:24:56.860 so these

01:24:57.580 people

01:24:57.920 I think

01:24:58.300 are not

01:24:58.540 listening

01:24:58.760 and there

01:24:58.940 are people

01:24:59.160 that disagree

01:24:59.520 with RFK

01:25:00.060 too

01:25:00.280 and that's

01:25:00.940 fine

01:25:01.260 there's

01:25:01.460 people

01:25:01.640 that have

01:25:01.900 principled

01:25:02.580 disagreements

01:25:03.660 with RFK

01:25:04.100 and go

01:25:04.260 I think

01:25:04.760 you're

01:25:04.980 wrong

01:25:05.440 but you

01:25:05.900 know

01:25:06.020 there's

01:25:06.180 so many

01:25:06.440 people

01:25:06.620 on the

01:25:06.940 left

01:25:07.240 who are

01:25:07.560 like

01:25:07.820 I'm

01:25:08.780 against

01:25:09.060 you

01:25:09.240 team

01:25:09.540 Trump

01:25:09.920 it's

01:25:10.580 a

01:25:10.700 no

01:25:11.000 sure

01:25:11.340 and so

01:25:12.460 I just

01:25:12.700 wonder

01:25:13.160 you know

01:25:13.480 she's

01:25:13.860 probably

01:25:14.080 surviving

01:25:14.540 because

01:25:14.800 she's

01:25:15.060 married

01:25:15.280 to

01:25:15.520 Bobby

01:25:15.880 and not

01:25:16.440 Donald

01:25:16.860 you know

01:25:17.260 like

01:25:17.500 yeah

01:25:18.600 I think

01:25:19.640 she's

01:25:19.940 RFKJ

01:25:20.440 could be

01:25:20.720 your gateway

01:25:21.220 drug

01:25:21.700 but like

01:25:22.120 Trump

01:25:22.380 is the

01:25:22.680 real

01:25:22.840 deal

01:25:23.020 you know

01:25:24.000 listen

01:25:24.400 your real

01:25:24.980 friends

01:25:25.340 become

01:25:25.660 apparent

01:25:26.160 in these

01:25:27.020 situations

01:25:27.500 and I'm

01:25:27.860 sure she

01:25:28.160 knows

01:25:28.540 who they

01:25:28.780 are

01:25:29.020 yeah

01:25:29.300 well in

01:25:29.800 Hollywood

01:25:30.040 it's always

01:25:30.380 hard isn't

01:25:30.780 it

01:25:30.980 it's tough

01:25:31.780 what you were

01:25:32.760 saying about

01:25:33.140 people have

01:25:33.480 very strong

01:25:33.880 feelings about

01:25:34.320 people

01:25:34.560 my husband

01:25:35.680 saw some

01:25:36.240 article

01:25:36.580 I don't

01:25:36.840 know if

01:25:36.980 it got

01:25:37.100 fed

01:25:37.300 to him

01:25:37.860 and it

01:25:38.240 was about

01:25:38.680 the height

01:25:39.520 of our

01:25:40.000 children

01:25:40.420 somebody did

01:25:41.040 an article

01:25:41.700 online about

01:25:42.280 the height

01:25:42.560 of our

01:25:42.760 children

01:25:42.980 yeah

01:25:43.360 it was all

01:25:44.040 messed up

01:25:44.440 it had all

01:25:44.820 sort of

01:25:45.080 fake facts

01:25:45.520 about my

01:25:45.860 kids

01:25:46.080 we don't

01:25:46.580 show our

01:25:46.900 kids on

01:25:47.200 the air

01:25:47.500 of course

01:25:48.060 or on

01:25:49.080 the internet

01:25:50.340 at all

01:25:51.400 but

01:25:51.680 so he

01:25:53.020 forwarded

01:25:53.640 it

01:25:53.860 and we

01:25:55.280 were looking

01:25:55.660 at it

01:25:55.920 it was

01:25:56.080 kind of

01:25:56.340 funny

01:25:56.600 speculating

01:25:57.480 about the

01:25:57.780 height

01:25:58.040 and how

01:25:58.480 they get

01:25:58.780 so tall

01:25:59.140 like we

01:25:59.400 gave them

01:25:59.680 HGH

01:26:00.120 which we

01:26:00.520 didn't

01:26:00.780 they have

01:26:01.400 a tall

01:26:01.660 father

01:26:01.980 it's

01:26:02.260 hilarious

01:26:02.560 and there

01:26:04.180 was a line

01:26:04.540 in there

01:26:04.740 saying

01:26:05.040 Megyn Kelly

01:26:05.920 who many

01:26:06.800 people can't 0.97

01:26:07.500 stand

01:26:07.980 and then

01:26:08.540 wow that

01:26:11.340 seemed

01:26:11.600 unnecessary

01:26:12.100 for an

01:26:13.240 article about

01:26:13.720 the children's

01:26:14.340 height

01:26:14.520 yeah

01:26:15.040 wow

01:26:16.060 that was

01:26:16.440 kind of

01:26:16.700 below the

01:26:17.080 belt

01:26:17.280 because of

01:26:18.200 the territory

01:26:18.700 but certainly

01:26:19.760 if you're a

01:26:20.120 lightning rod

01:26:20.700 in the media

01:26:22.100 in politics

01:26:23.180 you know

01:26:23.980 you gotta be

01:26:24.400 able to

01:26:24.600 take it

01:26:24.920 and so

01:26:25.200 I think

01:26:25.960 Cheryl went 0.69

01:26:26.400 from a life

01:26:26.840 of being

01:26:27.200 pretty much

01:26:27.880 beloved by

01:26:28.400 everybody

01:26:28.720 she wasn't

01:26:29.060 controversial

01:26:29.580 I think

01:26:30.920 she disagrees

01:26:31.660 with some

01:26:32.000 of his

01:26:32.280 stuff

01:26:32.520 I don't

01:26:32.980 think

01:26:33.160 they agree

01:26:33.720 on everything

01:26:34.380 I think

01:26:35.520 like everybody

01:26:36.100 else

01:26:36.340 nobody agrees

01:26:37.100 with everybody

01:26:37.500 on everything

01:26:38.040 I think

01:26:38.860 it's fine

01:26:39.680 to have a

01:26:40.720 position

01:26:41.120 where you

01:26:41.640 go

01:26:41.960 I think

01:26:42.600 RFK's

01:26:43.040 right here

01:26:43.520 and wrong

01:26:43.920 here

01:26:44.220 that's how

01:26:45.080 most people

01:26:45.660 feel about

01:26:46.220 most people

01:26:47.040 yeah

01:26:47.280 right

01:26:47.760 so I think

01:26:49.020 that's totally

01:26:49.500 okay

01:26:49.740 I think

01:26:50.600 when you go

01:26:51.140 he's a

01:26:51.540 crackpot

01:26:52.240 he's a 0.97

01:26:52.700 crank 0.93

01:26:53.020 he's completely 0.98

01:26:53.760 insane 1.00

01:26:54.340 and you 0.54

01:26:55.120 dismiss

01:26:55.520 everything

01:26:56.040 he says

01:26:56.560 even though

01:26:57.400 you agree

01:26:57.900 with some

01:26:58.360 of it

01:26:58.720 like I

01:26:59.580 don't

01:26:59.980 disagree

01:27:00.660 with

01:27:01.320 everything

01:27:02.220 Meghan Markle

01:27:02.980 says

01:27:03.300 I like

01:27:03.880 jam

01:27:04.440 so I

01:27:06.180 think

01:27:06.420 you know

01:27:07.460 everybody

01:27:08.040 has to

01:27:09.220 you know

01:27:10.300 like

01:27:10.680 you know

01:27:11.720 I think

01:27:12.000 you take

01:27:12.680 it

01:27:12.840 issue

01:27:13.220 by issue

01:27:13.340 that's

01:27:13.540 how I

01:27:13.880 felt

01:27:14.100 there are

01:27:14.520 some

01:27:14.700 things

01:27:14.880 I agree

01:27:15.160 with Joe

01:27:15.500 Biden

01:27:15.740 on

01:27:15.920 believe it

01:27:16.240 or not

01:27:16.440 chocolate

01:27:17.400 chocolate chip

01:27:17.920 ice cream

01:27:18.240 is the best

01:27:18.720 yes

01:27:19.100 a thousand

01:27:19.760 percent

01:27:20.080 a thousand

01:27:21.180 percent

01:27:21.380 the withdrawal

01:27:22.720 from Afghanistan

01:27:23.460 was sloppy

01:27:24.160 and a mess

01:27:24.640 I agreed

01:27:25.740 it was time

01:27:26.260 to go

01:27:26.860 not in that

01:27:27.920 way

01:27:28.300 so I

01:27:29.160 said

01:27:29.420 we shouldn't

01:27:30.740 be there

01:27:31.380 good for

01:27:32.720 him

01:27:33.240 the withdrawal

01:27:34.200 was a mess

01:27:35.240 but the

01:27:37.020 instinct

01:27:38.000 of getting

01:27:39.180 our troops

01:27:39.620 out of a

01:27:40.060 20 year

01:27:40.640 thing

01:27:41.240 I gave

01:27:42.100 very little

01:27:42.560 credit for

01:27:42.880 that

01:27:43.000 I have to

01:27:43.280 be honest

01:27:43.560 because that

01:27:43.800 was Trump's

01:27:44.280 idea

01:27:44.700 Trump

01:27:45.000 should have

01:27:46.640 done it

01:27:47.000 and I think

01:27:47.440 maybe this

01:27:47.920 Trump would

01:27:48.320 have done

01:27:48.580 it

01:27:48.700 but I think

01:27:49.080 last time

01:27:49.560 he didn't

01:27:50.380 do it

01:27:50.640 how do

01:27:50.940 you like

01:27:51.380 Trump

01:27:51.680 are you

01:27:52.040 a Trump

01:27:52.480 supporter

01:27:52.800 I think

01:27:53.540 that there's

01:27:54.240 things I

01:27:54.540 really like

01:27:54.980 about him

01:27:55.320 and there's

01:27:55.540 things that

01:27:55.920 I find

01:27:56.920 a little

01:27:57.380 bit

01:27:57.820 you know

01:27:58.860 I'm not

01:27:59.340 as in

01:27:59.620 love

01:27:59.760 he's

01:27:59.980 controversial

01:28:00.440 well yeah

01:28:01.060 I'm not

01:28:01.320 as in

01:28:01.580 love

01:28:01.700 with all

01:28:02.040 of the

01:28:02.260 things

01:28:02.480 but I

01:28:02.760 think

01:28:02.960 he

01:28:03.140 understands

01:28:03.860 a lot

01:28:04.320 of the

01:28:04.520 problems

01:28:05.000 and I

01:28:05.360 think

01:28:05.600 that

01:28:05.940 you know

01:28:06.240 it depends

01:28:06.740 on

01:28:07.100 I don't

01:28:07.620 want to

01:28:07.760 go to war 0.60

01:28:08.060 with Iran

01:28:08.500 this is the

01:28:09.600 thing that I

01:28:10.160 disagree with

01:28:11.400 I think

01:28:11.740 there's a

01:28:12.280 ratcheting up

01:28:14.120 of this

01:28:14.600 it feels

01:28:15.100 like

01:28:15.380 I remember

01:28:15.820 last time

01:28:16.120 we spoke

01:28:16.540 you said

01:28:16.860 something like

01:28:17.260 somehow

01:28:18.120 they reeled

01:28:18.700 me into

01:28:19.060 like we're

01:28:19.520 just talking

01:28:20.000 politics

01:28:20.400 the next

01:28:20.700 thing I

01:28:20.940 know

01:28:21.080 I'm

01:28:21.740 giving my

01:28:22.160 opinion

01:28:22.460 on whether

01:28:23.380 we should

01:28:23.680 be in

01:28:23.900 Iraq

01:28:24.300 like what

01:28:24.600 am I

01:28:24.820 doing

01:28:25.060 I remember

01:28:26.180 that

01:28:26.440 yeah

01:28:26.700 I just

01:28:27.380 I really

01:28:27.880 like his

01:28:28.360 idea of

01:28:28.920 no wars

01:28:29.640 yeah

01:28:30.160 having a

01:28:31.380 border

01:28:31.740 trying to

01:28:33.400 restore

01:28:33.840 fairness

01:28:34.500 in an

01:28:34.940 economy

01:28:35.320 trying to

01:28:35.800 get a

01:28:36.280 middle class

01:28:36.960 back

01:28:37.500 if he

01:28:39.440 goes down

01:28:40.240 those roads

01:28:41.380 I think

01:28:42.300 he'll have a

01:28:43.100 great presidency

01:28:43.900 if he gets

01:28:44.620 bogged down

01:28:45.500 with a

01:28:46.340 conflict in

01:28:46.980 Iran

01:28:47.360 and kind

01:28:50.040 of you

01:28:50.720 know

01:28:51.060 a

01:28:52.260 domestic

01:28:53.000 agenda

01:28:53.600 that is

01:28:55.000 a little

01:28:55.700 chaotic

01:28:56.460 where it's

01:28:57.020 streamlined

01:28:57.760 I think

01:28:58.760 the tariffs

01:28:59.380 instinct

01:29:00.840 I think

01:29:01.180 it's the

01:29:01.420 right

01:29:01.600 instinct

01:29:02.000 I'm not

01:29:03.080 an economist

01:29:03.720 but I

01:29:04.220 do think

01:29:05.020 the right

01:29:05.840 we're what

01:29:06.980 37 trillion

01:29:07.800 in the hole

01:29:08.260 oh wait

01:29:08.560 we have

01:29:08.980 this

01:29:09.180 you can

01:29:09.660 viral in

01:29:10.300 this clip

01:29:10.640 this is

01:29:11.040 you

01:29:11.320 speaking to

01:29:13.260 some of

01:29:13.600 this

01:29:13.900 on your

01:29:14.520 show

01:29:15.020 from April

01:29:16.080 5th

01:29:16.460 here's

01:29:16.640 34

01:29:17.020 Charlie

01:29:19.440 takes a

01:29:20.180 big buyout

01:29:21.020 okay

01:29:21.540 because a

01:29:22.320 multinational

01:29:23.180 corporation

01:29:23.880 like Unilever

01:29:25.180 buys the

01:29:26.540 chocolate factory

01:29:27.460 and they

01:29:28.220 move all

01:29:28.900 of the

01:29:29.160 jobs

01:29:29.580 offshore

01:29:30.260 he didn't

01:29:30.780 even like

01:29:31.280 chocolate

01:29:31.680 he just

01:29:32.360 liked going 0.94

01:29:32.860 to orgies 0.86

01:29:33.800 on a

01:29:34.280 yacht

01:29:34.600 in

01:29:34.820 international

01:29:35.420 waters

01:29:36.160 he comes

01:29:37.320 back

01:29:37.680 he wipes

01:29:38.100 the blood

01:29:38.460 off himself

01:29:38.980 from just

01:29:39.460 throwing a

01:29:39.880 woman over 0.99

01:29:40.320 a boat

01:29:40.780 and they

01:29:41.420 said

01:29:41.840 Charlie

01:29:42.820 why did

01:29:43.260 you sell

01:29:43.620 the factory

01:29:44.240 why are

01:29:44.660 all the

01:29:44.880 oompa

01:29:45.140 loompas

01:29:45.520 on fentanyl

01:29:46.220 and Charlie

01:29:46.660 says it's

01:29:47.300 a shame

01:29:47.940 how trans 0.98

01:29:48.700 people are

01:29:49.180 treated in

01:29:49.660 this country

01:29:50.300 and they

01:29:51.600 go what

01:29:52.120 and it

01:29:52.800 almost feels

01:29:53.620 like Charlie

01:29:54.900 himself is

01:29:56.460 using some

01:29:57.620 of this to

01:29:58.560 get people's

01:29:59.600 mind off the

01:30:00.640 fact that he

01:30:01.200 sold his

01:30:01.820 chocolate factory

01:30:02.700 to a global

01:30:03.440 multinational

01:30:04.360 conglomerate

01:30:05.160 who's offshored

01:30:06.580 all of the

01:30:07.260 jobs

01:30:07.840 now we say

01:30:08.640 to the oompa

01:30:09.080 loompas

01:30:09.420 I hope you

01:30:10.040 got your

01:30:10.500 bitcoin

01:30:11.160 no no no

01:30:12.540 no I'm

01:30:13.320 trying to make

01:30:13.700 the chocolate

01:30:14.280 bar oh we

01:30:15.300 don't do

01:30:15.580 that here

01:30:16.000 anymore go

01:30:16.820 work at

01:30:17.280 Panera so

01:30:18.400 that that's

01:30:19.300 what America

01:30:19.780 is it's an

01:30:20.440 oompa loompa

01:30:21.340 at Panera

01:30:22.180 yeah I think

01:30:25.540 I think that

01:30:26.260 the American

01:30:28.680 working class

01:30:29.700 has been

01:30:30.160 thrown aside

01:30:31.900 by both

01:30:32.520 parties and

01:30:33.660 I think that

01:30:34.540 people in

01:30:36.220 this country

01:30:36.900 that are

01:30:37.960 fortunate

01:30:38.520 can't fully

01:30:40.620 understand

01:30:41.720 the

01:30:43.280 desperation

01:30:44.500 in a lot

01:30:46.240 of parts of

01:30:46.660 the country

01:30:46.980 that have

01:30:47.260 been ignored

01:30:47.820 and I think

01:30:49.020 a lot of

01:30:49.340 that has to

01:30:49.820 do with

01:30:50.380 the de-industrialization

01:30:51.660 of the

01:30:53.160 country

01:30:53.560 now

01:30:54.700 there's going

01:30:56.420 to be

01:30:56.920 periods of

01:30:57.540 adjustment

01:30:57.920 there's going

01:30:58.520 to be

01:30:59.000 ugliness

01:30:59.660 there's going

01:31:00.020 to be

01:31:00.500 you know

01:31:01.300 but I think

01:31:01.740 the country

01:31:02.140 is more

01:31:02.420 than an

01:31:02.720 economic

01:31:03.140 zone

01:31:03.520 I don't

01:31:03.900 think you

01:31:04.140 could see

01:31:04.440 it as

01:31:04.740 just a

01:31:05.880 place to

01:31:06.260 make money

01:31:06.800 I think

01:31:07.560 you have

01:31:07.840 to see

01:31:08.120 it as

01:31:08.340 a place

01:31:08.740 where

01:31:09.220 you have

01:31:10.040 a culture

01:31:10.580 a country

01:31:11.420 something

01:31:11.760 where you

01:31:12.100 have to

01:31:12.340 go to

01:31:12.560 war to

01:31:12.900 protect

01:31:13.320 right

01:31:13.640 you know

01:31:14.760 I don't

01:31:15.200 think people

01:31:15.600 can just

01:31:15.980 see it

01:31:16.220 as a place

01:31:16.660 where there

01:31:17.060 are

01:31:17.220 financial

01:31:17.820 opportunities

01:31:18.620 yeah we

01:31:18.980 got a

01:31:19.260 roaring

01:31:19.600 market

01:31:20.080 yeah right

01:31:21.100 so I think

01:31:21.620 that obviously

01:31:22.080 it's important

01:31:22.540 that people

01:31:22.840 have a good

01:31:23.140 standard of

01:31:23.540 living

01:31:23.700 that they

01:31:23.960 have money

01:31:24.420 you know

01:31:24.960 we all

01:31:25.240 want those 0.93

01:31:25.620 things

01:31:25.860 but I also

01:31:26.320 think there

01:31:26.680 has to be

01:31:27.200 some

01:31:27.680 attention

01:31:29.060 paid

01:31:29.700 to

01:31:30.700 large

01:31:32.940 swaths

01:31:33.600 of the

01:31:33.820 country

01:31:34.160 that are

01:31:34.920 not

01:31:35.620 you know

01:31:36.700 sharing in

01:31:37.440 any of the

01:31:38.140 prosperity

01:31:38.680 of the last

01:31:39.820 you know

01:31:40.140 20 to 30

01:31:40.760 years

01:31:41.180 you know

01:31:41.420 it's like

01:31:41.740 I've heard

01:31:43.140 you talk about

01:31:43.840 how like

01:31:44.220 in 20 years

01:31:45.380 the Democrats

01:31:45.840 became Republicans

01:31:46.580 and the Republicans

01:31:47.240 became the Democrats

01:31:48.080 right

01:31:48.460 and it's really

01:31:49.040 so true in so many

01:31:49.900 ways because

01:31:50.360 you look at

01:31:50.880 like the Democrats

01:31:51.860 used to talk

01:31:52.800 like that

01:31:53.240 yeah

01:31:53.600 but it got

01:31:54.740 changed into

01:31:56.020 all they want

01:31:57.860 to do is create

01:31:58.460 one big social

01:31:59.100 safety net

01:31:59.600 it's just

01:32:00.060 giveaways

01:32:00.600 government

01:32:00.920 giveaways

01:32:01.360 you know

01:32:01.580 like oh

01:32:01.960 you're a single

01:32:03.020 mother here's

01:32:03.640 another check

01:32:04.460 as opposed to

01:32:05.700 Trump's approach

01:32:06.500 which seems to be

01:32:07.440 let me change

01:32:08.220 the whole environment

01:32:09.020 around you

01:32:09.620 so you have

01:32:10.360 more working

01:32:10.900 opportunities

01:32:11.440 let me lighten

01:32:12.380 your tax burden

01:32:13.480 if you're a waitress

01:32:14.480 right

01:32:14.760 you know

01:32:15.160 as opposed to

01:32:16.100 just like

01:32:16.500 let me dump

01:32:17.300 a bunch of

01:32:17.840 like free phones

01:32:18.620 or goodies on you

01:32:19.340 so that you'll

01:32:19.860 keep voting for me

01:32:20.800 well the Democratic Party

01:32:21.080 was purchased

01:32:21.780 by Wall Street

01:32:22.880 and Wall Street

01:32:23.940 has ideas

01:32:25.260 about how the way

01:32:25.800 the country

01:32:26.160 should function

01:32:26.860 Wall Street

01:32:27.380 wants endless

01:32:28.600 supply of cheap

01:32:29.400 labor

01:32:29.700 they want open

01:32:30.520 borders

01:32:30.940 the Koch brothers

01:32:31.800 loved open borders

01:32:32.800 it was because

01:32:33.520 it was an endless

01:32:34.480 supply of cheap

01:32:35.180 labor

01:32:35.520 it broke the

01:32:36.260 back of the

01:32:36.740 working class

01:32:37.380 it destroyed

01:32:37.940 unions

01:32:38.440 and it

01:32:39.800 it provided

01:32:40.980 companies with

01:32:42.260 with low wage

01:32:43.360 labor so that

01:32:44.220 their profits

01:32:44.800 went up

01:32:45.200 none of those

01:32:45.660 profits were

01:32:46.240 shared with

01:32:46.860 their workers

01:32:47.860 but they got

01:32:48.280 bigger mansions

01:32:48.920 at the top

01:32:49.480 bigger mansions

01:32:50.280 at the top

01:32:50.940 and the Democratic

01:32:52.320 Party became

01:32:53.380 completely purchased

01:32:54.400 by Wall Street

01:32:55.120 and then

01:32:55.880 identity politics

01:32:57.700 is then kind

01:32:58.900 of manifested

01:32:59.700 as a way

01:33:00.380 to convince

01:33:01.020 people

01:33:01.540 that actually

01:33:02.680 they are

01:33:03.200 interested

01:33:03.640 in changing

01:33:04.260 things

01:33:04.660 but by

01:33:05.040 changing

01:33:05.400 things

01:33:05.760 they don't

01:33:06.040 mean

01:33:06.280 giving you

01:33:07.000 health care

01:33:07.440 they mean

01:33:07.800 giving you

01:33:08.160 like a trans 1.00

01:33:08.940 Batman

01:33:09.420 right

01:33:10.500 that's what

01:33:11.060 they're doing

01:33:11.600 right

01:33:11.900 so they're

01:33:12.460 they're basically

01:33:13.120 Snow White

01:33:13.820 who hates

01:33:14.300 Snow White

01:33:14.720 Snow White

01:33:15.340 who's not

01:33:15.780 into it

01:33:16.300 right

01:33:16.540 who thinks

01:33:16.920 it's like

01:33:17.300 some type

01:33:17.760 of like 0.88

01:33:18.080 rape fantasy 0.73

01:33:18.700 or something 0.94

01:33:19.160 like it's

01:33:19.720 a children's

01:33:20.300 book

01:33:20.500 but you know

01:33:23.000 it becomes

01:33:24.000 a great

01:33:24.420 you know

01:33:24.760 there's a great

01:33:25.160 quote and it's

01:33:25.820 for things to

01:33:26.640 stay the same

01:33:27.320 they must change

01:33:28.220 or something

01:33:29.580 of that nature

01:33:30.460 you know

01:33:30.720 things must change

01:33:31.460 to stay the same

01:33:32.200 what the

01:33:33.820 Democratic Party

01:33:34.620 has become

01:33:35.400 as is a party

01:33:36.960 that says

01:33:37.480 we're going to

01:33:37.860 give you a

01:33:38.240 female CEO

01:33:38.940 but we're not

01:33:40.580 going to

01:33:41.320 give you

01:33:42.060 any bit

01:33:42.820 more

01:33:44.380 you know

01:33:46.160 of a pathway

01:33:47.180 to a life

01:33:48.940 so we're going to

01:33:50.260 give you a

01:33:50.800 better feel

01:33:51.240 better feel good

01:33:51.440 about the fact

01:33:51.940 that there's

01:33:53.760 progress

01:33:54.300 in this

01:33:54.980 very

01:33:55.180 aesthetic

01:33:55.840 area

01:33:56.840 that doesn't

01:33:57.420 matter

01:33:58.000 really

01:33:59.240 to your

01:34:00.780 life

01:34:01.600 other than

01:34:02.460 to say

01:34:02.760 well that's

01:34:03.280 nice

01:34:03.660 you know

01:34:04.520 but most

01:34:05.480 people are

01:34:05.960 concerned with

01:34:06.760 the financial

01:34:08.200 reality of

01:34:08.960 their own

01:34:09.300 family

01:34:09.800 what do you

01:34:10.600 make of

01:34:11.100 as a comedian

01:34:11.860 of Trump

01:34:12.720 and his

01:34:13.300 comedy skills

01:34:14.060 he's the

01:34:15.380 funniest

01:34:15.620 politician

01:34:16.200 ever

01:34:16.680 and I think

01:34:17.820 a lot of it

01:34:18.360 is he doesn't

01:34:18.800 really know

01:34:19.180 that he's

01:34:19.440 being funny

01:34:19.820 I think

01:34:20.100 he's just

01:34:20.540 being honest

01:34:21.920 in his way

01:34:23.480 yeah

01:34:23.820 right

01:34:24.380 so like

01:34:24.940 he's just

01:34:25.360 calling things

01:34:26.100 the way he

01:34:26.460 sees it

01:34:26.880 he's really

01:34:27.660 good at it

01:34:28.400 and you know

01:34:29.740 and it doesn't

01:34:30.140 mean honest

01:34:30.720 in the global

01:34:31.320 sense

01:34:31.680 because he'll

01:34:32.160 say things

01:34:32.820 that aren't

01:34:33.080 true

01:34:33.460 no politician

01:34:34.600 is

01:34:34.820 but when he

01:34:36.320 says things

01:34:37.680 that are

01:34:39.500 funny

01:34:39.940 I think it's

01:34:40.400 because people

01:34:41.460 are not used

01:34:42.940 to hearing that

01:34:43.740 from a politician

01:34:44.800 the best example

01:34:45.580 is the one

01:34:46.360 where he gave

01:34:46.800 the deposition

01:34:47.500 in the E.

01:34:48.080 Jean Carroll

01:34:48.540 case

01:34:49.180 to him

01:34:49.400 and the

01:34:49.640 lawyer

01:34:49.900 said

01:34:50.200 did you

01:34:50.600 say

01:34:50.960 it's okay

01:34:51.820 when you're

01:34:52.180 a celebrity

01:34:52.560 to grab

01:34:53.060 him by

01:34:53.300 the P word

01:34:53.820 when you're

01:34:54.460 a celebrity

01:34:54.720 they let

01:34:55.080 you do

01:34:55.360 it

01:34:55.540 and he

01:34:56.040 said yes

01:34:56.680 because

01:34:57.120 you know

01:34:57.640 for thousands

01:34:58.260 of years

01:34:58.920 that's just

01:34:59.640 been the way

01:35:00.220 it is

01:35:00.640 unfortunately

01:35:01.360 or fortunately

01:35:02.580 it's just

01:35:04.880 him

01:35:05.160 what makes

01:35:06.980 him effective

01:35:08.100 is that he

01:35:08.900 understands

01:35:09.580 that there's

01:35:11.440 a way

01:35:11.760 that you

01:35:12.080 can communicate

01:35:13.020 that whether

01:35:14.640 the people

01:35:15.680 don't stop

01:35:16.280 listening

01:35:16.660 yes

01:35:17.820 that's

01:35:18.520 a big

01:35:18.940 part

01:35:19.240 of it

01:35:19.440 so many

01:35:20.260 politicians

01:35:20.780 you turn

01:35:21.200 them off

01:35:21.620 very hard

01:35:22.160 to turn

01:35:22.460 out

01:35:22.920 you will

01:35:24.560 never

01:35:24.920 turn him

01:35:25.300 off

01:35:25.400 right

01:35:25.620 you don't

01:35:25.960 know

01:35:26.100 where

01:35:26.300 it's

01:35:26.500 going

01:35:26.680 I've

01:35:27.080 said

01:35:27.420 I'm going

01:35:27.720 to watch

01:35:28.000 10 minutes

01:35:28.480 of his speech

01:35:29.020 and it's

01:35:29.620 an hour

01:35:29.900 and a half

01:35:30.280 and I

01:35:30.980 watch the

01:35:31.480 whole thing

01:35:31.780 because there's

01:35:32.800 a musicality

01:35:33.580 too

01:35:33.760 it's like

01:35:34.020 jazz

01:35:34.540 he comes

01:35:35.360 in and

01:35:35.840 out

01:35:36.280 and he

01:35:36.640 goes

01:35:36.940 from this

01:35:37.460 thing

01:35:38.080 to that

01:35:38.440 thing

01:35:38.780 and it's

01:35:39.040 very much

01:35:39.380 a stream

01:35:39.740 of consciousness

01:35:40.320 yes he did

01:35:41.060 the EO

01:35:41.400 on the faucets

01:35:42.120 making showers

01:35:42.720 great again

01:35:43.220 you know

01:35:43.480 like the free

01:35:44.420 flow of water

01:35:45.080 and he's

01:35:45.380 talking about

01:35:45.720 keeping his

01:35:46.180 beautiful hair

01:35:47.020 shampoo his

01:35:48.720 beautiful hair

01:35:49.260 he also doesn't

01:35:49.900 patronize people

01:35:50.680 like I remember

01:35:51.360 like you had

01:35:51.780 Anna Dasha

01:35:52.320 they brought up

01:35:52.860 a great point

01:35:53.320 of like he

01:35:53.720 shows up to

01:35:54.220 this rally

01:35:54.660 late

01:35:55.060 and he complained

01:35:56.200 about his

01:35:56.600 private plane

01:35:57.240 that it

01:35:57.760 wasn't working

01:35:58.380 and he goes

01:35:58.740 they screw 0.99

01:35:59.240 you 0.98

01:35:59.420 they keep

01:35:59.800 you on the

01:36:00.060 runway

01:36:00.300 he's not

01:36:01.540 pretending

01:36:02.280 that he

01:36:04.580 can empathize

01:36:06.340 fully with

01:36:07.260 someone who's

01:36:08.360 you know

01:36:08.860 in a different

01:36:09.920 financial situation

01:36:10.900 he's saying

01:36:11.300 this is who

01:36:11.860 I am

01:36:12.500 this is the

01:36:13.400 way I see

01:36:14.100 it

01:36:14.280 there's an

01:36:14.860 authenticity

01:36:15.260 to it

01:36:15.760 even though

01:36:16.060 people hate

01:36:16.580 it

01:36:16.760 yeah

01:36:16.980 nor is he

01:36:17.540 running around

01:36:17.900 calling himself

01:36:18.400 a founder

01:36:18.920 people hate

01:36:19.640 as a founder

01:36:20.300 he's right

01:36:21.160 I have some

01:36:21.680 experience with

01:36:22.380 this

01:36:22.600 I think

01:36:22.820 people hate

01:36:23.240 I think

01:36:23.560 there's a

01:36:24.080 there's a

01:36:24.680 snobbery

01:36:25.560 to it

01:36:26.680 where people

01:36:27.140 look at him

01:36:27.600 and go

01:36:28.100 we don't

01:36:29.060 like that

01:36:29.400 he represents

01:36:30.280 America

01:36:30.960 you know

01:36:32.140 we don't

01:36:32.460 like that

01:36:32.840 not those

01:36:33.320 not that

01:36:33.720 America

01:36:34.040 right

01:36:34.360 we'd rather

01:36:34.860 someone from

01:36:35.680 Harvard

01:36:36.180 even though

01:36:37.120 he went to

01:36:37.420 a great

01:36:37.600 school

01:36:37.800 but we'd

01:36:38.400 rather

01:36:38.600 someone who

01:36:39.260 understands

01:36:40.060 that there's

01:36:40.500 a certain

01:36:41.120 language

01:36:42.280 that we all

01:36:43.180 speak

01:36:43.660 and he doesn't

01:36:44.300 speak

01:36:44.600 now

01:36:45.900 you were

01:36:47.400 in Austin

01:36:47.980 Texas

01:36:48.400 yeah

01:36:48.760 now you're

01:36:49.320 in LA

01:36:49.940 I'm back

01:36:50.680 and forth

01:36:51.060 between

01:36:51.480 New York

01:36:52.700 where I grew

01:36:53.200 up and then

01:36:53.860 LA and Austin

01:36:54.720 too sometimes

01:36:55.300 in the new

01:36:55.780 special again

01:36:56.400 it's called

01:36:56.760 I'm Your Mother

01:36:57.420 it's on

01:36:57.940 Netflix

01:36:58.300 starting

01:36:58.720 it's April

01:36:59.260 15

01:36:59.740 April 15

01:37:00.420 tax day

01:37:01.360 you can

01:37:01.880 remember

01:37:02.100 this is how

01:37:02.560 you will

01:37:02.900 this will be

01:37:03.460 your soothing

01:37:03.840 balm on

01:37:04.380 tax day

01:37:04.860 you can watch

01:37:05.560 I'm Your Mother

01:37:05.980 if you're getting

01:37:06.380 beaten up on

01:37:07.180 tax day

01:37:07.800 with Tim Dillon

01:37:08.560 launch a jam

01:37:09.580 brand

01:37:09.980 and you do

01:37:10.640 a bit

01:37:11.040 on LA

01:37:11.840 and what a

01:37:12.560 mess it is

01:37:13.180 in so many

01:37:13.760 ways

01:37:13.960 including

01:37:14.280 homelessness

01:37:14.800 let's watch

01:37:15.360 a little bit

01:37:16.320 of that

01:37:16.520 in South

01:37:16.740 28

01:37:17.020 the LA

01:37:19.300 City Council

01:37:20.100 has given

01:37:20.660 up

01:37:21.000 this is how

01:37:22.300 much they've

01:37:22.780 given up

01:37:23.300 I swear to

01:37:24.020 God

01:37:24.220 they considered

01:37:24.900 giving you

01:37:25.380 a tax credit

01:37:26.280 if you opened

01:37:27.760 your house

01:37:28.500 to a homeless

01:37:32.900 person

01:37:33.500 I swear to

01:37:34.860 God

01:37:34.960 they were like

01:37:35.340 you got a

01:37:35.740 house

01:37:36.120 what are we

01:37:38.220 even talking

01:37:38.760 about

01:37:39.160 you hate

01:37:41.680 taxes

01:37:42.200 right

01:37:42.660 yeah

01:37:43.440 well meet

01:37:44.840 your son

01:37:45.500 he's 38

01:37:47.980 years old

01:37:48.640 he loves

01:37:49.640 fentanyl

01:37:50.600 hug your

01:37:53.560 boy

01:37:53.960 hug your

01:37:55.900 boy

01:37:56.220 did you do

01:37:57.280 it

01:37:57.540 were you

01:37:58.360 tempted

01:37:58.720 yeah

01:37:59.340 no I was

01:38:00.100 you know

01:38:00.560 part of the

01:38:01.620 thing is that

01:38:02.640 the solutions

01:38:03.400 that are

01:38:04.120 proposed are

01:38:04.740 always as 0.99

01:38:05.460 insane as

01:38:06.120 the problem

01:38:06.700 yeah

01:38:07.020 in LA

01:38:07.760 so whenever

01:38:08.820 they started

01:38:09.400 thinking about

01:38:09.980 that they go

01:38:10.300 we could just

01:38:10.860 give people

01:38:11.240 tax credits

01:38:11.840 to move

01:38:12.260 people into

01:38:12.700 their house

01:38:13.260 that you

01:38:14.640 know

01:38:14.840 what could

01:38:15.760 possibly

01:38:16.320 go wrong

01:38:16.800 so you

01:38:18.480 have a

01:38:18.800 situation

01:38:19.340 where

01:38:19.940 you know

01:38:20.500 you know

01:38:21.120 it really

01:38:22.080 is it's a

01:38:22.540 beautiful state

01:38:23.280 it's important

01:38:25.420 place you

01:38:26.280 know and

01:38:27.100 it's like

01:38:28.840 run by 1.00

01:38:29.640 complete lunatics 1.00

01:38:30.580 yeah 0.99

01:38:30.920 absolutely 1.00

01:38:31.460 complete lunatics 0.99

01:38:32.620 so when I hear 0.99

01:38:33.260 you talk about

01:38:34.260 that and

01:38:35.160 Gavin Newsom

01:38:36.120 I don't know

01:38:36.760 would you ever

01:38:37.300 consider

01:38:37.940 yeah

01:38:38.500 throwing your

01:38:39.060 own hat

01:38:39.460 in the ring

01:38:39.840 well

01:38:40.440 not at the

01:38:41.800 moment but I

01:38:42.560 could get

01:38:42.960 bored

01:38:43.440 and if I

01:38:44.660 get bored

01:38:45.300 then perhaps

01:38:45.860 political campaigns

01:38:46.860 do seem fun

01:38:47.840 here's what

01:38:48.600 doesn't seem

01:38:49.200 fun

01:38:49.500 governing

01:38:50.320 yeah

01:38:51.080 that's why

01:38:51.840 Gavin's doing

01:38:52.440 what we're

01:38:52.780 doing

01:38:53.000 seems tough

01:38:53.840 right he's

01:38:54.440 like this is

01:38:54.880 boring

01:38:55.220 he's trying

01:38:55.740 to do this

01:38:56.340 yeah

01:38:56.640 it seems

01:38:57.320 fun to

01:38:57.880 run

01:38:58.280 get on

01:38:59.440 everyone get

01:38:59.820 on the bus

01:39:00.520 yeah

01:39:01.080 world drinking

01:39:01.520 coffee

01:39:02.120 the polls are

01:39:03.160 in get

01:39:03.740 them you know

01:39:04.420 that seems

01:39:05.680 fun once you

01:39:06.520 get in there

01:39:07.400 and you then

01:39:09.160 have to figure out

01:39:10.180 a way to fix

01:39:10.820 this it becomes

01:39:11.900 a real problem

01:39:12.360 I was in

01:39:13.440 downtown LA

01:39:14.080 the other night

01:39:14.520 there's a nice

01:39:14.960 place and I

01:39:15.760 was there

01:39:16.240 me and my

01:39:16.760 friend have

01:39:17.040 one of the

01:39:17.660 best restaurants

01:39:18.200 in LA is

01:39:18.700 downtown and

01:39:19.740 we're we went

01:39:20.620 to dinner and

01:39:21.640 and we're sitting

01:39:22.240 there and you

01:39:23.600 know they always

01:39:24.160 shut it down

01:39:24.580 play it you know

01:39:25.260 him and his wife

01:39:25.680 were like there's

01:39:26.160 pockets it's fine

01:39:28.220 there's pockets and

01:39:29.660 then in the middle

01:39:30.120 of the street there

01:39:30.880 was a woman just 1.00

01:39:31.540 with a blanket over

01:39:32.320 her going like

01:39:33.460 this and the

01:39:34.160 blanket's moving and

01:39:35.140 she's screaming and

01:39:36.920 I said what's this

01:39:38.100 and they go oh

01:39:38.540 well she's there all

01:39:39.660 the time and I

01:39:40.560 go oh so it's

01:39:41.900 really just getting

01:39:42.880 people used to a

01:39:44.840 certain level yeah

01:39:46.380 of of decay and

01:39:48.240 that's really what

01:39:49.160 it is it's just you

01:39:50.100 just explain it away

01:39:51.160 you go oh that

01:39:52.240 woman she's and

01:39:53.080 then my friend

01:39:53.560 goes well the

01:39:54.280 problem is it's a

01:39:55.280 meth town oh god 0.99

01:39:56.660 he goes if they

01:39:57.580 were on heroin

01:39:58.280 they'd sleep but

01:39:59.860 they're on meth so

01:40:00.720 they start fires and

01:40:02.260 then he goes like

01:40:02.820 this let's get the

01:40:04.500 scallops they're

01:40:05.240 great so that's how

01:40:07.300 normalized hell has 0.86

01:40:10.220 become yeah we've

01:40:11.620 normalized hell we've

01:40:13.460 normalized decay and

01:40:15.380 that's how bad it's

01:40:16.420 gotten that people just

01:40:17.360 don't care I got 39

01:40:18.640 seconds to the heart

01:40:19.620 out yeah this special

01:40:21.060 uh I'm your mother yes

01:40:23.200 in 30 seconds why is it

01:40:24.500 called that um well

01:40:26.580 because anyone can be

01:40:28.000 anything now so if I'm

01:40:30.260 gonna orient myself in

01:40:31.860 this world I'd like to do

01:40:32.840 it as your mother just

01:40:34.380 because your mother

01:40:35.040 gets to tell you what

01:40:36.080 to do and be loud and 0.99

01:40:38.400 fat and and nasty and 0.97

01:40:40.540 we still love her and 0.99

01:40:41.300 we have to love mom

01:40:42.240 Tim Dillon we definitely

01:40:44.780 love it don't forget

01:40:45.780 okay it's called I'm

01:40:46.880 your mother it's on 0.90

01:40:47.880 Netflix next week you

01:40:49.400 will laugh I don't

01:40:50.680 think you'll cry but

01:40:51.620 you'll fall even more

01:40:52.660 in love with Tim it's

01:40:53.560 great to see you thank

01:40:54.240 you again it's a

01:40:54.920 pleasure I appreciate it

01:40:55.760 check it out have a

01:40:56.400 great weekend everyone

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The Megyn Kelly Show - April 11, 2025

Weinstein's New Trial, New Lively Questions, and Meghan Markle's Grift, with Tim Dillon, Arthur Aidala, and Mark Eiglarsh ｜ Ep. 1047

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