Why Working Class Turned to Trump, and Kamala's Uniquely Terrible Campaign, with Batya Ungar-Sargon ｜ Ep. 939
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The left and the media do not get why Trump was able to win in such spectacular and dominant fashion, winning the popular vote by millions and the Electoral College by a margin of more than 2 million votes. Megyn and her guest, Bhatia Anghar Sargan, explains why.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to this AM special episode of The Megyn Kelly Show.
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Why Trump was able to win in such spectacular and dominant fashion.
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Winning the popular vote by millions and winning the Electoral College 312 to 226 total blowout.
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Well, one reason is the subject of my guest's book,
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Second Class, How the Elites Betrayed America's Working Men and Women.
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Let's be honest. There's very good reason for this.
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There was a piece in the New York Post today, and I totally agree with it, saying this is the death of the celebrity endorsement.
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You know, Wall Street favored Kamala Harris over Donald Trump by 75% to 25%.
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It's not just the rich glitterati from Hollywood.
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I mean, you just have to open a newspaper, turn on cable news to one of the liberal channels and to see the weeping, the funereal, you know, atmosphere there.
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This was an election that revealed, finally, that the real divide in America is not racial.
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It is the class divide separating the American working class from the elites.
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And this is why millions and millions and millions of working class Americans who were Democrats, Megan, 50 years ago, 30 years ago, five years ago, voted for Donald Trump, because the American working class is unbelievably tolerant.
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That is who Donald Trump spoke to and ended up picking off a lot of Democratic voters because his agenda spoke directly to the character of the American working class.
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But instead of trying to understand that, you get Stephen Colbert and the others out there going, well, this was bad for women.
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You're going to find out how bad this was for you.
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And it's not surprising to see him struggling, Gutfeld soaring.
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And he's got this huge empire over at Barstool Sports.
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And definitely, and he's, I think he comes from the left.
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Their pure arrogance and their moral superiority have driven people away.
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If you say you're voting for Trump, suddenly you're a Nazi.
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Like, yeah, I'm sure there's racists in the party, just like there's fucking crazy people and assholes and racists in the country.
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But millions and millions and millions and millions of people vote for Trump.
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So when you call us that and when you say that, you're calling the majority of the country racists, Hitlers, Nazis.
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I don't think you get the words of what that means.
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You are alienating all this middle ground people by acting like you're better than us, smarter than us, and frankly, insulting our intelligence.
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They're going to look themselves in the mirror.
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This moral superiority complex they have, this arrogance they have, it's not working.
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You're alienating half the country, more of it.
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Stephen Colbert actually uttered the words, today is the day the American people voted against democracy.
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Like, literally cannot tell that he is describing democracy when saying what he really means is they voted against my interests as a millionaire.
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And it's so amazing they're admitting it, Megan.
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Donald Trump said again and again, they don't hate me.
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And now you have all of these leftists coming out and saying, you know, it's not about Trump.
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I do think that there is a real question of policy here at stake, though.
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It's less about the fact that smearing people as Hitler lovers and racists is terrible politics.
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But I don't think that's why the majority of Hispanic men broke for Trump.
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I think it has to do with the fact that Donald Trump lifted the Democrats' pro-labor agenda right out from under their noses.
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And they used to believe in a strong border, you know, trade deals that favored American workers.
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And that is why the reason Donald Trump won is the same reason that Kamala Harris lost.
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Because there is a winning formula for the American working class.
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Free trade only to the extent that it helps the American worker.
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Strong borders and socially moderate positions.
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And I am just begging the GOP to recognize this because if they don't, they're going to lose all of these voters when this comes up again.
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It's amazing to see the amount of tears flowing like Jimmy Kimmel in tears on his show over like half of the country voting and getting what they want.
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It's women like this that make me want to celebrate the tears, that make me have absolutely no sympathy or empathy for these tears.
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And she decided to do a little post on X that's now gone viral.
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And she had a little interaction with a sales clerk and she decided to post about it.
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And tracking everything that's been going on across the country today.
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And my most important encounter was when I went out to get my champagne.
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I was talking to the guy in the store, of course, asking him, did he vote?
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And he asked me, you know, why I was getting the champagne.
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And I said, because I'm going to be toasting Madam President tonight.
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And he just looked at me with kind of like a smirk on his face.
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And I said, you know, she's going to win this, right?
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The women of America are making their voices heard.
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Reproductive rights is what it all comes down to.
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And I said to him, she's going to take every one of the swing states plus Iowa.
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I'm telling you right now, the numbers are there.
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And I said to him, you realize, and he didn't tell me who he voted for, but of course I knew.
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And I said, you do realize you wasted your vote, right?
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And I walked out with my bottle of champagne and happily walked home.
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Dr. Arlene, you can take your champagne and shove it up your, yeah, because your snobbery,
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I'm a political analyst, you dumbass sales clerk.
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And now we just checked her feed to see after the election.
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It was never about them or their supreme qualifications.
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It was about misogyny, racism, hate, and fascism.
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And when I look back at my entire analysis of this, all of the analysis, 120 years worth
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of elections is based on men running for office, not women.
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And Hillary Clinton was, everybody hated Hillary Clinton, that America is not ready for a female
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Because Kamala Harris was the best candidate in this race.
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The odds of Arlene having gone back to the sales clerk and apologized for her disgusting
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You know, the credentialism that inflated the ego of this very tiny person.
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This is a woman, if she's a college professor who's probably making $150,000 a year, sneering
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at and talking down to a person working in a store, a clerk, right, who has the grace not
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to inform her who he voted for, because he doesn't need to stick it to her, right?
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So here's a working class person showing all of the grace in the world to this condescending,
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sneering elitist who then uses the lens of racism and misogyny as an alibi for the fact
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that not only did this person not just accept her sneering contempt as marching orders for who
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to vote for, right, but the fact that he refused to vote for the person who is going to create a world
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This is the point that I just want to keep making, which is the elites created an economy that made
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And that nice guy who just took it from her is now struggling to pay his bills.
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And that is really what Donald Trump is a corrective to.
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It was like Sonny Hostin yesterday on The View.
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She doesn't have the same civil rights as I do.
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Meanwhile, Sonny Hostin lives in a sprawling multi-million dollar estate because she's Sonny
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And still, not unlike Michelle Obama or Oprah, what she wants to do is just dump on America.
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That this is a place where you don't get equal civil rights because of race, because of gender,
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They use accusations of racism and sexism as an alibi for a country that has been crafted
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as an upward funnel of wealth into the pockets of people like Sonny Hostin away from the people
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It is a way for credentialed elites to get rich off of the labor of illegals because they
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And if American workers objected to that, as they did in 2016 by voting for Donald Trump,
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It is an alibi for wage theft by the elites of the working class.
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And that is what Donald Trump is a corrective to.
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It's why he has cobbled together a mass populist movement, the multiracial working class coalition
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What a victory for democracy, for the will of the people, for the working class.
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So they can't quite get their arms around the fact that his coalition is diverse, that it's multi-ethnic.
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And this is Joy Reid in her struggle session to try to explain why he got 45 percent of Latinos on Tuesday night.
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Coming from an immigrant family, there is this sort of trying to be super American when people come here.
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Because I know some African immigrants who are all the way Trump.
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And it's this idea of I want to be with the side that's waving the biggest flag.
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And there is a huge element, to be honest, of anti-Blackness in a lot of this.
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And there's this idea that I'm Black, but I'm not Black.
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I may be Black if I'm walking through Bloomingdale's and get followed around.
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But in my mind, I'm identifying with whiteness.
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Because this shift among Latino men is significant.
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And it says something about where we're going in this country.
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My friend Zed Jelani said on Twitter, why is it that these leftists always sound like
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This ethnicity is the one we should be attacking.
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You have to really hate America to talk that way.
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I mean, and that is what she's effectively saying, is that to love America, to be an immigrant
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who comes here and wants this country to be the best it can possibly be, that that is
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No, it is evil and racist to say that minorities have to vote a specific way.
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Another loser in this election is Joe Scarborough.
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Joe Scarborough has to be high up the list on the list of losers in addition to Kamala Harris.
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He was conspirator number one on the Joe Biden lies about his mental acuity up to the very
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last second because he wanted to hold on to his access to power.
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It was so fun to be president, the president's friend.
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The American public saw what happened at that debate.
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And then the next day, Sybil showed up on the set of Morning Joe saying,
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And now she's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Yes, we've got to get behind Kamala Harris 100 percent.
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She's going to continue Joe Biden's great economy.
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Trust me, you people, you working class suffering people.
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And he comes out and says, I've been telling you all along that, you know,
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this social stuff that you're putting the country through is a loser.
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That she she was going to lose because of the social like what?
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There was a big reveal today that Joe Scarborough does not know anything about the economy.
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He's been telling us is so amazing under Biden Harris because he is one of those elites who has absolutely fallen out of touch with how real Americans live.
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It was shown in the following exchange over something as simple as the cost of butter on their show today.
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A few weeks ago, three weeks ago, somebody who was going to be voting for Kamala Harris came up to me and said, oh, my God, Trump's going to win.
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I kind of laughed and I said, I said, well, that's kind of reductive, isn't it?
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But it actually what everything we're hearing after the election is.
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When was the last time Joe Scarborough went to the grocery store?
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I see a lot of the listeners of my show at my one in Connecticut and we laugh and we bond and all that.
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Anyway, but the point is, he's one of the biggest losers of this election.
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And it's because he falls into that same exact category we've been discussing, like Stephen Colbert
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It's so amazing because it was such a revealing moment.
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But there have been moments in between moments like that, even on Morning Joe, where they have
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So there was a big screed by Joe Scarborough about how cancel culture is unacceptable.
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Did you know, Megan, that they have been canceling people and how terrible is this?
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And there was a guest who was saying, you know, actually, like millions of low wage immigrants
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crossing the border illegally is bad for the working class.
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We are officially in the four week period that follows from crushing Democratic loss in
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which you're allowed to say the things they always do this.
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There was like four weeks where you were allowed to say the things, the truth that everybody
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And it happened as well after Glenn Youngkin won in this like crushing loss to the Democrats
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where suddenly they say the things that everybody knows is true.
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And then after four weeks, they go back to denial and they go back to blaming racism and sexism
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But that's how you know that they know that they are lying because there is always this
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little window where the things are allowed to be said.
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It's always four weeks, just like with Biden's mental acuity.
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We had four weeks of an honest press corps genuinely reporting on it.
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And they went right back to being just as dishonest as ever.
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So that's why, like I had peers on earlier, Morgan, and he was saying this is officially
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I mean, the American electorate has said we hate it.
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They learned all these lessons back in 16 that we were getting more woke.
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I asked Trump about his language about women at a very famous presidential debate, and he
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And then political correctness exploded into wokeness.
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I don't think they are going to change anything.
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The thing that they have to change if they ever want to win again is immigration policy.
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Now, remember, it used to be the Democrats who believed that we had to have a strong border
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to protect the wages of working class people because labor is like everything else.
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And we should want American workers to make a living wage.
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When Donald Trump showed up on the scene and closed that border and working class wages
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started to go up, the Democratic Party reformulated itself in opposition to him.
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And the major donors of the party, people like George Soros, who don't believe in borders
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and don't believe in nation states, they really turbocharged that.
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So there was this kind of symbiotic relationship between the far left, the wokes, and then the
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donor class, which were all pushing for open borders.
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And of course, Alejandro Mayorkas showed up and said, I'm the man for that job, right?
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I think that on the woke excesses in universities, it is possible that we will start to see some
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I think on the gender stuff, thanks to your work, Megan, which has been so important, I
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think we're already going to start seeing some correction.
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Can they go back to their position on immigration from the 90s and the 2000s?
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You know, Bernie Sanders, as recently as 2015, was saying open borders is a Koch brothers
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And I think that is where they will not be able to go back to their former self because
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the donor party is the donor class is too entrenched.
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I think what we're going to see in 2028 is this.
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We're going to see people like Gretchen Whitmer, who represents the Kamala Harris version of the
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party in a primary against somebody like Josh Shapiro, who Megan only lost the white working
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So he is really a Democrat who has shown the working class that he can speak to them and
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That's going to be the really interesting interstitial fight to watch on the Democratic
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side and to see which way the DNC allows the party to go.
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One direction obviously is going to be much more fruitful for them, but I don't know if they
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have the stomach to go with the white Jewish guy over the woman.
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Speaking of Bernie Sanders, he put out the following statement, reads in part as follows.
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It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party, which has abandoned working
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class people, would find that the working class has abandoned them.
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First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and black workers as well.
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While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and
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I mean, that that could have been issued by a Trump surrogate.
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Yeah, my question to Bernie is in 2015, you understood that the number one issue when
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it comes to the economy for working class people is immigration.
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And by 2019, when you were running in that primary against Donald Trump and the question
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on the debate was, would you decriminalize illegal border crossing?
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Do you understand that the workers that you so deeply care about, and I believe you that
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you care about them, that this issue is very important to them and that this is where the
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He was doing what he said Kamala Harris is doing in this race.
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You know, he acknowledged that she's just got to say what she has to say to get elected.
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I think he has a genuine concern for blue class, blue collar, working class people.
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But he on that stage had to say what he thought they wanted to hear.
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I want to shift gears and talk to you about Kamala, because I mean, I really love how obviously
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her team is out there leaking to Politico that it's all the fault of Joe Biden, that he really
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How could she possibly have dug out of this hole, as David Plouffe put it?
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Joe Biden caused many holes with the inflation numbers, with the immigration and the open
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And then with staying too long with the mental acuity, she was part of that, too.
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But Kamala Harris was a uniquely bad politician.
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There's just absolutely nothing to connect to with this woman.
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This person is in la-la land about Kamala Harris's alleged talents.
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But take a listen to yet another crier, Claire McCaskill.
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Um, I don't think people realize how hard it is to get to where she was.
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For her to be selected as vice president after what I think she would tell you was a very
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disappointing presidential race, where I think she kind of lost her footing and was listening
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too much to consultants, frankly, and wasn't, it didn't really exude who she was.
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And then to be vice president and to step into the most difficult situation in the world,
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where she had to be completely loyal to Joe Biden and respectful of the fact that he had chosen her,
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but yet maneuver in a situation, I mean, such political skill.
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It is just inspiring people who don't understand what she had to do to get to this moment.
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Like she's making it sound like poor Kamala Harris.
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And then when the coup happened, Batia, she was anointed.
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That Democratic National Convention, Brett Sommer, a completely compliant, complicit media
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Megan, I sort of made this vow to myself after Trump won that I was going to try to be
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And you're making it very hard because you brought all of the horrible videos into the video.
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And it's impossible not to feel like so vindicated from this nonsense.
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I have this theory that if she had come out the gate and said,
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I want to be president and I want to reflect what you guys want.
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So on each issue, we're going to poll the American people.
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I think she would have gotten a lot farther because it would have been honest and authentic
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But instead, she went into it pretending to have these very deep-seated convictions that
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everybody knows she doesn't have because she ran for office in 2019 on the opposite platform.
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You know, Andrew Yang wrote this great op-ed for Newsweek.
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He said in every interview, she looked like she was thinking,
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what should I say instead of what do I believe?
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And I think that that just put his finger on the, he hit the nail on the head.
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That was the problem with her is she seemed to be always calculating what is the thing
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And it was such a stark contrast with Donald Trump, who obviously says what he believes
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I mean, Megan, remember that rally in the Bronx?
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He was so authentic, facing a sea of people who everybody had told him hate him, who,
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Like Republicans, show up, show up, love the people, love the American people.
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And when you're saying it, it reminded me of this moment we showed the audience when it
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And she seemed to glitch like right in the middle of the answer, probably for this reason.
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Polling shows that a lot of people, especially independent voters, really want this to be
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a change election and that they tend to break for you in terms of thinking about change.
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You are a member of the president administration.
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Under a Harris administration, what would the major changes be?
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But also, I think it's important to say with, you know, 28 days to go, I'm not Donald Trump.
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And so when we think about the significance of what this next generation of leadership looks
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like, were I to be elected president, it is about, frankly, I love the American people.
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I love that it is our character and nature to be an ambitious people.
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And I just believe that we can create and build upon the success we've achieved in a
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way that we continue to grow opportunity and in that way grow the strength of our nation.
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Someone tweeted last week that she seems like a fourth grader giving a book report on a book
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I don't know how I'm supposed to be different from Joe Biden.
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And then insert nonsense lines that are pre-rehearsed that we've all heard 10,000 times.
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And I think, you know, the issue that she ultimately settled on as her one issue was abortion.
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And the way they went out, like, to try to convince women that this was going to be the issue was so amazing because, Megan, what they did was they talked about it in a totally fake way.
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Like, they built it up into this made-up problem, right, that there's going to be a national abortion ban, which Trump promised repeatedly that he would veto.
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And there's zero reason to suspect that he's lying about that he believes abortion should be legal for 12 weeks.
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So their one winning issue was totally fake and made up, whereas Trump was running on the disappearing American dream for working-class Americans, which is totally real.
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So you had the Obamas go out there berating Black men and Hispanic men, show up for your women folk for this fake problem that allows rich women to feel like they are the true oppressed class in America, right, this made-up problem.
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And what ended up happening was working-class women showed up for their husbands and their sons and said,
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we're going to stand by you because this country has turned its back on you.
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Those are the women I was trying to reach when I spoke at the Trump rally.
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Like, don't listen to this bullshit messaging about what's best for women and what's best for children and what's best for America.
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You know, asking, like, how do you win when your son or your husband are losing?
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This is a lie that is being peddled by political hacks on the other side.
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Um, the, the Kamala Harris problem is so multifaceted.
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I mean, like, there's, I can't really think of anything that's good about her and her candidacy.
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I can, we can admit that she's a good looking woman.
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I just, you know, I'm just thinking about like things that I like, I look at her and I admire.
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Um, she decided to go for the profundity yet again in her concession speech, which I mean, there are things I'm going to miss about her, Bhatia.
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There's an adage, an historian once called a law of history.
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The adage is, only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars.
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I know many people feel like we are entering a dark time.
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But for the benefit of us all, I hope that is not the case.
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America, if it is, let us fill the sky with the light of a brilliant, brilliant billion of stars.
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The light, the light, the light of optimism, of faith, of truth, and service.
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Like, you can tell she's like, I've got something for you.
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As someone once said, the sun rises in the east.
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And later at night, we see the billions of stars.
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Like, I love all the pretend games about how, like, tough economy and Joe Biden.
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And to ignore the elephant in the room is to continue the dishonesty that we've been facing with this press.
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Honestly, it really is something to admire, I think.
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I feel like I know her less than I did before she ran for president.
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Like, I know even less about what makes her tick, what makes her get up in the morning.
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Like, she has managed in some ways to shroud herself in even more mystery,
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which I think is a really big accomplishment for somebody who spent, you know, 100 days trying to tell us who she is.
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What do you think is going to happen to her now?
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Do you think that she is in any way the de facto leader of the Democrat Party?
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No, I think people are going to run as far as they can from the Bidens and from Harris.
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And the will to power in the Democratic Party runs so deep.
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And I think right now she's going to, you know, these people who were forced to lie about her.
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Something happens to your soul when you're forced to lie about something.
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Of course, nobody forced them except themselves and their own will to, you know, ascend the power hierarchy.
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But, you know, they are such a laughingstock now as a party.
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Every person who lied on her behalf, that is going to sour very quickly, like we said, four weeks.
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And then I think she's going to become somewhat untouchable in the party.
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You know, the Obamas and Pelosi really bet the farm that this was going to work, this coup.
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And I think it's been so revealed how little they understand the American people,
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how little they respect the democracy that they demagogue about.
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They hate the American people because the American people hate them because they see them for what they are.
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They see the contempt that these elites have for them.
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And I think that that is what has been really revealed this election cycle.
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There's no more grown up in the Democratic Party.
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There's not even an identifiable Big Brother type to step in and sort of hold their hands and shepherd them along.
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I mean, maybe it's certainly not going to be Tampon Tim.
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All those stars have been embarrassed that those guys aren't it.
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And, you know, it's actually really interesting, Batya, a point that we didn't get to today is she's reportedly her campaign bankrupt.
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She was given a billion dollars by all these hopeful Democrats to run this campaign in the course of like a month or two.
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And the reports are out today that she she's reportedly 20 million dollars in the hole.
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They were paying those celebrities to show up at her rallies and try to fill those arena arenas with enthusiastic fans.
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They wound up with absolutely nothing, with fewer counties by far than Joe Biden won.
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And we'll find out whether they've lost any chance of taking the House.
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So, I mean, back to our original point, I guess, like, keep doing the same thing.
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If you want the same results, you could just keep flushing a billion dollars down the drain every two years and then four.
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Or you could change and you can actually bend the knee on the issues that are most important to the American people, never mind Republicans.
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Let's start with actually doing something about the drunken spending the Democrats did that still have prices too high.
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That last one is going to be the trickiest to fix for President Trump.
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So, anyway, your forecast on the next not four years but two and what's going to happen when Trump takes office.
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Did these Democrats feel humbled enough by the message they received on Tuesday to try to work with him?
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Or is it just once we're past the four weeks, back to norm?
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I think politicians are going to want to work with him, especially on the issues that it's clear voters hate where they have ended up, where the Democrats have ended up on.
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You touched on something that I think is the most underreported story of this election cycle, which is Paris outspent Trump by astronomical numbers.
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Because Nikki Haley outspent Trump two to one in the Republican primary.
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I mean, I remember thinking Citizens United was like the end, Megan.
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Like, we're never going to have a free election again.
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It turns out you can spend a billion, 1.2 billion.
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She's 20 million in the hole, something like that, on an election and win spectacularly against somebody who's spending a fraction of that amount.
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I mean, what an amazing, amazing thing to learn about our nation, that our systems work, our institutions work, and the will of the people comes out.
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The will of the electorate is what happens, is who gets elected.
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I really hope that even people who don't like Trump, who didn't want him to win, can recognize this for what it is.
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It is a mandate to lead from your fellow Americans.
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We should all be able to respect that and even admire it.
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I absolutely believe that Trump and this Senate and hopefully the House, too, can get real change pushed through legislatively that could last long beyond the Trump administration.
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Okay, we are back later today with Charlie Kirk.
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I mean, is there anybody besides maybe Elon that did more to get Trump elected than Charlie did?
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I just, like, what a debt of gratitude the nation owes him.
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He's been on fire on X this week taking down these hack so-called journalists.