The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1736 - When Did Canadians Become Jihadis？

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00:00:38.420 President Trump has done something even better.

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00:00:47.180 from both Democrats and Republicans,

00:00:49.240 which has already greatly reduced the prospect

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00:00:55.140 which we'll get to, greatly reduced the likelihood

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00:01:00.560 greatly increased the likelihood

00:01:02.180 that on today's show, I will say, I told you so.

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00:02:50.020 Trump is in the Middle East.

00:02:51.140 He's on this big tour of the Middle East.

00:02:52.620 He's securing deals with Saudi Arabia and Qatar,

00:02:55.720 and he's getting a new luxury airplane for the United States

00:02:58.000 because Boeing can't fulfill its obligations

00:02:59.500 to get us Air Force One 10 years delayed.

00:03:01.080 And it's going quite well.

00:03:04.420 Maybe my favorite moment,

00:03:06.160 at least from the standpoint of grand strategy,

00:03:08.960 geopolitics,

00:03:09.900 is this statement that Trump made yesterday,

00:03:12.340 which was a pithy little log line,

00:03:15.140 less than one minute,

00:03:16.500 to explain his foreign policy doctrine.

00:03:19.940 In recent years,

00:03:22.180 far too many American presidents

00:03:24.360 have been afflicted with the notion

00:03:26.440 that it's our job to look into the souls

00:03:28.780 of foreign leaders

00:03:29.720 and use U.S. policy to dispense justice

00:03:33.200 for their sins.

00:03:35.360 They loved using our very powerful military,

00:03:39.580 and now it's really the most powerful it's ever been.

00:03:41.980 We just are getting a budget approved,

00:03:44.660 $1 trillion,

00:03:45.760 highest budget we've ever had in history

00:03:48.800 for military, $1 trillion.

00:03:51.740 And we're getting the greatest missiles,

00:03:54.720 the greatest weapons.

00:03:55.900 And, you know, I hate to do it,

00:03:58.400 but you have to do it

00:03:59.360 because we believe in peace through strength.

00:04:01.820 You have to have the strength.

00:04:02.900 Otherwise, bad things could happen.

00:04:04.520 But hopefully,

00:04:06.620 we'll never have to use any of those weapons.

00:04:09.260 Seems to be an awfully big waste of money

00:04:11.340 if you're never going to use them,

00:04:12.640 but hopefully we'll never have to use them

00:04:14.180 because the destructive power

00:04:15.700 of some of those weapons

00:04:17.400 are like nobody's seen before.

00:04:20.460 I believe it is God's job to sit in judgment,

00:04:23.840 my job to defend America,

00:04:25.460 and to promote the fundamental interest

00:04:29.420 of stability, prosperity, and peace.

00:04:31.860 That's what I really want to do.

00:04:33.500 I love this statement.

00:04:37.160 He says,

00:04:37.760 I don't think my job

00:04:39.100 is to stare into the souls

00:04:41.520 of every foreign leader

00:04:43.020 and mete out punishment

00:04:45.060 by sending American troops in

00:04:47.680 to go mete out the punishment

00:04:48.820 to punish these foreign leaders

00:04:50.980 for their personal sins.

00:04:52.580 That's not how I view foreign policy.

00:04:55.580 That's how Democrats now view foreign policy.

00:04:57.460 That's how Republicans viewed foreign policy,

00:04:59.440 especially about 20 years ago.

00:05:00.800 He says,

00:05:01.660 that's not what I'm doing.

00:05:03.220 I view my job

00:05:04.440 as requiring me to defend America

00:05:08.360 and to secure peace and prosperity.

00:05:12.740 This is beautiful.

00:05:14.120 This is an articulation

00:05:15.180 of Trump's understanding of America first,

00:05:17.600 as I pointed out yesterday on the show.

00:05:20.300 Trump can go in

00:05:21.400 and he can cut a big arms deal,

00:05:23.400 the biggest arms deal in history

00:05:24.540 with Saudi Arabia.

00:05:25.940 The day after,

00:05:27.440 he accepts a nice luxury jet

00:05:29.300 as a gift to the United States

00:05:30.380 from Qatar.

00:05:32.140 Qatar and Saudi Arabia

00:05:33.260 generally don't get along very well.

00:05:35.220 Trump can go in,

00:05:36.220 he can try to work out a deal with Iran.

00:05:38.380 He can also get a town named after him in Israel

00:05:40.380 because he backs the state of Israel.

00:05:42.240 These are sworn mortal enemies.

00:05:44.160 How can he do that?

00:05:45.560 Because Trump,

00:05:47.080 while he is allies

00:05:48.240 with places like the state of Israel

00:05:50.100 or with Saudi Arabia,

00:05:51.120 while he can do some business

00:05:52.120 with Iran or say Qatar,

00:05:56.000 Trump's objective

00:05:58.200 is to promote the interests

00:05:59.520 of the United States.

00:06:00.980 That's it.

00:06:02.040 Yet we have alliances,

00:06:03.260 but we're not going to have

00:06:04.520 entangling alliances

00:06:05.580 that force us

00:06:06.340 to put ourselves second

00:06:07.640 and to become

00:06:09.000 just some kind of

00:06:10.360 worker bee

00:06:12.220 for foreign states

00:06:13.660 or for international

00:06:15.140 organizations

00:06:16.820 or anything like that.

00:06:18.380 He says,

00:06:19.660 my job is to defend

00:06:20.460 the United States

00:06:20.960 and then furthermore,

00:06:22.040 as the global hegemon,

00:06:23.240 because

00:06:23.740 we're not just a tiny little

00:06:25.420 isolated Republic of Yeoman Farmers.

00:06:27.240 We are the global superpower.

00:06:28.620 We are the global empire.

00:06:30.120 Trump's vision is imperial.

00:06:31.520 That's why he wants Greenland.

00:06:32.540 It's why he wants Canada.

00:06:33.660 It's why he wants the Panama Canal.

00:06:35.080 Because of that,

00:06:35.640 he says,

00:06:35.860 my job

00:06:36.320 as a secondary matter

00:06:37.400 is to secure peace

00:06:38.680 and prosperity.

00:06:40.280 This is what empires

00:06:41.440 are supposed to do.

00:06:43.060 The job of an empire

00:06:44.340 is not

00:06:45.280 to insist upon

00:06:46.620 a completely homogenized

00:06:49.200 instantiation of justice

00:06:51.680 everywhere in the world.

00:06:52.640 The purpose

00:06:53.420 of empire

00:06:54.240 is not to blot out

00:06:55.460 all kinds of local traditions,

00:06:57.360 all kinds of local interpretations

00:06:59.060 of the natural law

00:07:00.380 and the moral order.

00:07:01.640 No, no, no.

00:07:02.800 The purpose of an empire

00:07:03.940 is to ensure

00:07:05.160 peace and prosperity.

00:07:06.860 This is a classical

00:07:07.820 understanding of politics.

00:07:09.440 It's not a super modern

00:07:10.540 understanding.

00:07:11.100 It's not a highly

00:07:11.720 ideological understanding.

00:07:12.880 This is the classical

00:07:13.820 understanding.

00:07:14.740 Last year,

00:07:15.340 last summer,

00:07:15.800 I gave a long lecture

00:07:17.080 on Dante

00:07:17.620 and his political vision

00:07:18.760 and the classical

00:07:19.580 political vision.

00:07:20.580 This is top of the list

00:07:21.780 for Dante.

00:07:22.280 Dante was living

00:07:24.120 in civil war.

00:07:24.820 It was the great

00:07:25.300 sorrow of his life.

00:07:26.660 He says,

00:07:27.020 in order to have freedom,

00:07:28.460 freedom,

00:07:28.780 the greatest gift from God,

00:07:29.560 you have to have peace

00:07:30.440 and the job of the empire,

00:07:32.260 not of the local government

00:07:33.340 necessarily,

00:07:34.000 not of intervening institutions,

00:07:36.500 but of the empire

00:07:37.340 is to ensure peace

00:07:38.460 and that's what I'm going to do.

00:07:40.140 So,

00:07:40.600 maybe Saudi Arabia

00:07:41.680 is not going to like it

00:07:42.540 if I cut a deal

00:07:43.300 with Qatar.

00:07:43.980 Too bad.

00:07:44.660 Maybe the state of Israel

00:07:45.540 is not going to like it

00:07:46.180 if I cut a deal

00:07:46.780 with Iran.

00:07:47.820 Too bad.

00:07:48.620 Maybe India

00:07:49.340 is not going to like it

00:07:50.140 if I cut a deal

00:07:51.500 with Pakistan.

00:07:52.120 I don't know.

00:07:52.520 I'm speaking hypothetically here.

00:07:54.300 Too bad.

00:07:56.160 My goal

00:07:57.160 as emperor,

00:07:58.460 says Trump,

00:07:59.240 or it's what he's insinuating,

00:08:00.980 is I'm going to pursue

00:08:02.580 peace and prosperity

00:08:04.120 because that's the role

00:08:05.780 of the empire

00:08:06.240 and that happens to be

00:08:07.900 in the American interest.

00:08:08.840 I love this.

00:08:09.580 This is correcting

00:08:10.240 some of the real errors

00:08:11.420 of the Bush era.

00:08:12.380 It's correcting a lot

00:08:13.220 of the errors

00:08:13.620 of the liberal establishment

00:08:14.800 right now.

00:08:15.400 It's just spot on.

00:08:17.220 Now,

00:08:17.960 what does it mean

00:08:18.760 for America?

00:08:20.220 Well,

00:08:20.760 already,

00:08:21.520 what we're getting

00:08:22.080 out of this

00:08:22.580 Middle East tour

00:08:23.560 is

00:08:24.820 J.P. Morgan

00:08:26.860 and Goldman Sachs

00:08:27.640 coming out and saying,

00:08:28.600 actually,

00:08:29.100 never mind.

00:08:29.680 I know we told you

00:08:30.460 that we might be headed

00:08:31.140 for a recession.

00:08:31.980 Well,

00:08:32.220 we're correcting that.

00:08:33.220 We're likely not headed

00:08:34.520 for a recession.

00:08:36.960 You know,

00:08:38.200 you know

00:08:39.060 how much I hate

00:08:40.520 to say I told you so.

00:08:42.280 What did I say

00:08:43.040 on the show?

00:08:43.340 Was it yesterday

00:08:43.980 or the day before?

00:08:45.140 I said,

00:08:45.760 looking at

00:08:47.600 the China trade deal,

00:08:49.080 I am beginning

00:08:50.560 to think,

00:08:51.260 whatever the substance

00:08:52.260 comes out of it,

00:08:52.940 people will say,

00:08:53.380 well,

00:08:53.440 he shouldn't have

00:08:53.780 done the trade deal

00:08:54.280 anyway,

00:08:54.780 or he should do

00:08:55.800 trade war,

00:08:56.380 rather,

00:08:56.760 or he shouldn't

00:08:57.400 have implemented

00:08:57.800 the tariffs,

00:08:58.260 or he shouldn't

00:08:58.520 have done the tariffs

00:08:59.060 in another way,

00:08:59.540 or blah,

00:08:59.820 blah,

00:08:59.980 blah,

00:09:00.100 who cares?

00:09:00.580 I said,

00:09:00.780 regardless of that,

00:09:02.340 my political conclusion

00:09:03.920 is six months from now,

00:09:05.600 we might be in a position

00:09:06.580 where all that market

00:09:07.500 volatility that all the

00:09:08.560 Democrats were making

00:09:09.240 hay over will be

00:09:10.360 a distant memory.

00:09:11.960 No one really

00:09:12.620 will remember it.

00:09:13.460 It will not be a live

00:09:14.520 political issue.

00:09:15.880 I said that like

00:09:16.440 two days ago,

00:09:17.160 and then what happens?

00:09:19.340 J.P. Morgan,

00:09:20.060 which was warning

00:09:21.060 of recession,

00:09:22.480 said,

00:09:22.720 we think the U.S.

00:09:23.480 is heading into recession,

00:09:25.200 J.P. Morgan

00:09:25.800 places the probability

00:09:27.020 now below 50%.

00:09:28.780 Goldman Sachs,

00:09:30.600 which never thought

00:09:31.500 that we were most likely

00:09:32.480 going to have a recession,

00:09:34.280 Goldman Sachs put the

00:09:34.980 possibility of recession

00:09:35.680 at 45%,

00:09:36.420 has just reduced

00:09:37.560 its likelihood.

00:09:39.340 Its prediction now

00:09:40.260 brings it down

00:09:40.800 to about 35%.

00:09:42.140 Barclays

00:09:43.160 has totally

00:09:44.740 dismissed

00:09:45.200 recession risks.

00:09:46.620 Says,

00:09:46.940 nope,

00:09:47.140 we're not headed

00:09:47.560 for recession.

00:09:49.000 This is one,

00:09:49.760 I actually will say,

00:09:50.460 I'm very happy to say

00:09:51.280 I told you so.

00:09:52.420 Because it's good

00:09:52.980 for our portfolios,

00:09:54.060 it's good for our economy,

00:09:55.940 it's good for the Trump agenda,

00:09:56.960 it's good for Republicans'

00:09:58.120 political prospects.

00:09:59.180 But just think,

00:10:00.340 a month ago,

00:10:01.640 two months ago,

00:10:02.260 remember Trump had

00:10:02.920 that word panicans?

00:10:04.000 He said,

00:10:04.460 don't be a panican.

00:10:05.600 And all the geniuses,

00:10:06.940 all the geniuses

00:10:08.400 in the Democrat Party

00:10:09.740 and all the fancy people

00:10:10.960 on CNBC,

00:10:12.180 and many Republicans

00:10:13.160 were losing their minds.

00:10:14.400 Oh no,

00:10:14.980 this is the end,

00:10:15.620 there's no way,

00:10:16.240 we're headed for recession,

00:10:17.340 this is going to destroy

00:10:18.500 all of Trump's agenda

00:10:19.660 and it's going to kill

00:10:20.380 our bank accounts.

00:10:21.020 I said,

00:10:21.300 hey,

00:10:21.640 chill out,

00:10:22.540 let the guy cook,

00:10:23.260 he's got a pretty good

00:10:23.940 track record.

00:10:24.960 I have questions

00:10:25.620 about the tariffs too.

00:10:26.700 In fact,

00:10:27.000 I still have questions

00:10:27.680 about the tariff policy today,

00:10:29.280 exactly what the goal was.

00:10:30.500 But again,

00:10:30.800 that's kind of part

00:10:31.440 of Trump's negotiation

00:10:32.340 is that he likes

00:10:33.660 to be unpredictable

00:10:34.360 and it served him well.

00:10:35.300 I said,

00:10:35.700 just chill out

00:10:37.140 for a second,

00:10:38.340 lift your head up

00:10:39.100 in a few weeks,

00:10:40.000 see what happens.

00:10:40.980 And what happens?

00:10:42.620 The same major

00:10:43.940 financial institutions

00:10:44.900 that were predicting recession

00:10:46.520 now say,

00:10:47.560 no,

00:10:47.720 actually,

00:10:48.160 we're good.

00:10:50.620 We're like two days

00:10:51.740 into the Middle East tour

00:10:52.600 and we're a few days out

00:10:55.100 after Trump and China

00:10:56.460 have apparently

00:10:57.200 resolved their trade differences.

00:10:58.920 Things are looking

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00:13:11.320 since 2021.

00:13:14.360 Since the beginning

00:13:15.540 of Joe Biden's term.

00:13:18.440 So

00:13:18.920 you then look

00:13:20.800 at the stock market.

00:13:21.680 The S&P 500

00:13:22.380 came roaring back.

00:13:23.660 The S&P 500

00:13:24.780 came roaring back

00:13:25.520 so strongly

00:13:27.420 that it actually

00:13:28.840 wiped out

00:13:29.400 all of the losses.

00:13:30.780 The S&P 500

00:13:31.440 is now positive

00:13:32.200 on the year.

00:13:33.320 People were predicting

00:13:34.320 a high likelihood

00:13:35.520 of recession

00:13:36.040 before Trump

00:13:37.120 got elected.

00:13:38.360 They thought

00:13:39.020 the stock market

00:13:39.540 was just overinflated.

00:13:40.980 And then you had

00:13:41.500 this major market correction.

00:13:43.420 Now the market's back.

00:13:45.080 And I hope people

00:13:46.060 were able to

00:13:46.860 talk to their

00:13:47.620 financial advisors,

00:13:48.720 maybe get some

00:13:49.420 stocks on discount

00:13:50.280 if that's part

00:13:51.060 of your financial plan.

00:13:52.140 But in any case,

00:13:53.480 all of that worry,

00:13:54.380 all that hair you lost,

00:13:55.280 all that sleep you lost,

00:13:56.220 all those extra wrinkles

00:13:57.080 on your face,

00:13:58.640 done.

00:13:59.400 Now,

00:14:00.340 the other takeaway

00:14:01.180 from this politically

00:14:01.960 and this will be observed

00:14:02.860 by our adversaries

00:14:03.880 and trading partners

00:14:04.480 is it's pretty clear

00:14:05.860 that the tariffs

00:14:06.440 were about leverage

00:14:07.200 primarily.

00:14:08.600 Less so about

00:14:09.480 raising revenue,

00:14:10.440 less so about

00:14:11.140 reshoring American jobs.

00:14:13.020 It's about leverage,

00:14:13.820 about getting better

00:14:14.380 trade deals.

00:14:15.840 Because all three

00:14:16.760 of those trade goals,

00:14:17.600 as I've mentioned

00:14:18.340 on the show,

00:14:18.900 are in conflict

00:14:19.660 with one another.

00:14:20.960 So, okay,

00:14:21.320 it's about leverage.

00:14:22.000 It's about getting

00:14:22.360 new trade deals.

00:14:22.900 We're seeing some

00:14:23.400 of those new trade deals

00:14:24.120 now on the Middle East tour.

00:14:26.940 Good stuff.

00:14:28.160 Good stuff.

00:14:28.660 For now,

00:14:29.080 I know it's very untrad.

00:14:30.300 It's very unconservative

00:14:31.220 to suggest

00:14:32.100 that we're not constantly

00:14:33.720 on the brink

00:14:34.320 of absolute catastrophe.

00:14:35.600 But right now,

00:14:36.220 things are looking

00:14:36.620 pretty good,

00:14:37.020 at least economically.

00:14:38.120 The West, however,

00:14:38.980 faces problems

00:14:39.760 beyond the economy.

00:14:41.700 For instance,

00:14:42.720 a man who was going viral

00:14:44.100 yesterday on the internet

00:14:45.120 for praising martyrdom.

00:14:47.940 This is some Islamic scholar

00:14:49.920 or cleric.

00:14:50.980 He's wearing

00:14:51.400 kind of traditional clothing

00:14:52.600 and he's going on TV

00:14:54.860 to sing the praises

00:14:57.160 of mothers and fathers

00:14:58.340 who raised their little

00:14:59.100 boys and girls

00:14:59.680 to be martyrs

00:15:00.480 and blow themselves up

00:15:01.460 and attack the West

00:15:04.360 through jihad

00:15:05.020 or go attack the Jews

00:15:06.060 or something like that.

00:15:07.820 What made this video

00:15:09.020 particularly odd

00:15:10.000 is it wasn't filmed

00:15:10.960 in Gaza,

00:15:11.800 wasn't filmed in Tehran,

00:15:13.420 it wasn't filmed

00:15:13.980 in Saudi Arabia.

00:15:14.760 The guy's Canadian.

00:15:19.680 Kids,

00:15:20.860 some of them

00:15:21.500 10 years old.

00:15:22.940 I'm sure you've heard

00:15:24.740 some of those clips

00:15:26.720 where a child says,

00:15:29.500 I live to be a martyr.

00:15:31.500 In other words,

00:15:31.900 I live to die.

00:15:33.020 Yes.

00:15:34.920 I live to fight

00:15:37.100 for the sake of Allah.

00:15:38.120 I live to defend

00:15:40.840 Al-Islam and the Muslims.

00:15:42.680 I live to defend

00:15:44.760 Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa.

00:15:47.500 Yeah, there are lots

00:15:48.320 of examples of them.

00:15:51.860 And you know something,

00:15:53.120 it's not just

00:15:53.820 the young boys,

00:15:56.600 the young girls as well.

00:15:58.960 Some of those little girls,

00:16:01.260 they are braver

00:16:03.240 than every single one of us

00:16:05.080 put together.

00:16:05.720 one little girl

00:16:07.320 braver than all of us.

00:16:09.660 Did you not hear

00:16:10.400 that little girl say,

00:16:11.980 I want to grow up

00:16:13.160 and I want to get married

00:16:14.800 and I want to give birth

00:16:17.220 to and raise

00:16:18.480 martyrs.

00:16:20.320 Eywallah.

00:16:21.880 What kind of bravery

00:16:23.000 is that?

00:16:24.400 What are we doing

00:16:25.680 for the Ummah?

00:16:27.520 Well, the Ummah,

00:16:28.200 the Islamic nation.

00:16:29.800 All right,

00:16:30.180 pretty horrifying

00:16:30.860 to people in the West.

00:16:31.980 How did this come

00:16:32.480 into Canada?

00:16:34.400 Well, I know

00:16:34.900 how it came into Canada

00:16:35.540 because of mass migration

00:16:36.520 and because of the

00:16:37.060 Libs Open Borders policies.

00:16:38.040 That's not good.

00:16:39.100 Because of suicidal empathy

00:16:40.360 from the West.

00:16:41.200 Okay, that's not good.

00:16:42.180 But the West

00:16:44.180 needs to take

00:16:44.960 what this guy is saying

00:16:46.740 much more seriously

00:16:47.640 than we have.

00:16:49.100 Because the way

00:16:50.300 the West reacts

00:16:50.900 to this now

00:16:51.420 is either,

00:16:53.040 if you're on the left,

00:16:53.940 to agree with it.

00:16:55.880 You have,

00:16:56.800 in an odd way,

00:16:57.540 because the people

00:16:58.520 on the left

00:16:58.920 don't really believe

00:16:59.500 in religion

00:16:59.960 and they don't

00:17:00.780 really believe

00:17:01.860 in anything

00:17:02.160 beyond themselves.

00:17:03.180 But they do have

00:17:03.960 this perception

00:17:05.240 of the oppressors

00:17:06.420 and the oppressed

00:17:07.020 and the Muslims

00:17:08.420 are part of this

00:17:08.940 favored group.

00:17:09.660 And so you get

00:17:10.040 Greta Thunberg

00:17:10.700 wearing a Palestinian

00:17:11.540 keffia,

00:17:12.200 you know,

00:17:12.400 you're waiting for her

00:17:12.840 to set off a bus

00:17:13.420 bomb or something

00:17:13.920 like that.

00:17:14.840 This is true

00:17:15.340 on campuses

00:17:15.880 all around the country.

00:17:16.840 It's bizarre,

00:17:18.160 but they cheer

00:17:19.080 these people on

00:17:19.720 when they say

00:17:20.180 crazy things like this.

00:17:21.820 The other thing,

00:17:23.140 the other reaction

00:17:23.800 that you get

00:17:24.240 from people in the West

00:17:25.060 is just to condemn this,

00:17:26.940 to say,

00:17:27.140 this is awful.

00:17:28.880 It's a death cult.

00:17:29.680 What kind of people

00:17:30.460 would wish for martyrdom?

00:17:33.560 What kind of people

00:17:34.200 would wish this kind of thing

00:17:35.120 for their children?

00:17:35.760 This is sick.

00:17:36.340 This is disgusting.

00:17:37.920 We need to get these people

00:17:39.280 Netflix subscriptions

00:17:40.680 and cell phones.

00:17:41.660 That's right.

00:17:42.060 We need to bring them

00:17:42.520 into the modern,

00:17:44.300 liberal, secular culture

00:17:45.900 and then they'll forget about it.

00:17:47.240 That's not going to work.

00:17:48.140 That's not going to work.

00:17:49.520 The strategy

00:17:50.920 that we've undertaken

00:17:51.640 so far,

00:17:52.320 either to tolerate

00:17:53.420 this nonsense

00:17:54.200 or to just outright

00:17:56.540 condemn it

00:17:57.260 doesn't work.

00:18:00.080 You have to offer people

00:18:01.600 an alternative

00:18:02.400 because

00:18:04.240 it is impressive

00:18:06.960 that people

00:18:08.740 will not only live

00:18:09.480 for something

00:18:09.900 but are willing

00:18:10.380 to die for something.

00:18:11.560 In our civilization,

00:18:12.640 we used to be willing

00:18:13.680 to die for something.

00:18:14.740 The Pope wears red slippers

00:18:15.880 because he is reminded

00:18:17.960 of the footsteps

00:18:18.580 of the martyrs

00:18:19.440 who died,

00:18:19.820 the Christian martyrs,

00:18:20.740 not the crazy Islamic martyrs

00:18:22.500 who are blowing up buses,

00:18:23.620 but the Christian martyrs

00:18:25.020 who are being persecuted

00:18:25.680 for their faith,

00:18:26.380 but the blood of the martyrs

00:18:27.500 is the seat of the church.

00:18:28.280 We used to believe in that.

00:18:29.140 We're not opposed

00:18:29.600 to martyrdom in general.

00:18:31.320 We're not even necessarily

00:18:33.120 opposed to death

00:18:33.920 in as much as

00:18:34.540 we're all going to die.

00:18:35.920 We'd like to have

00:18:36.600 life everlasting,

00:18:37.440 but we recognize

00:18:39.280 there are limitations

00:18:40.240 to mortality.

00:18:42.160 What are we living for?

00:18:44.020 There was this

00:18:44.740 big spate of news articles

00:18:46.560 some years ago

00:18:47.180 about how men

00:18:48.500 in the UK

00:18:49.400 were signing up

00:18:50.880 to fight for ISIS.

00:18:51.780 Why?

00:18:52.060 They're in the UK.

00:18:52.680 They have cell phones

00:18:53.980 and blue jeans

00:18:54.900 and fast food.

00:18:56.660 Why would they ever want

00:18:57.480 to go fight and die

00:18:58.480 in the dust of Syria?

00:19:00.720 Because we want to live

00:19:01.960 for something.

00:19:03.140 We don't want to be

00:19:04.080 just self-indulgent blobs

00:19:05.860 who want to watch TV

00:19:07.780 and porn

00:19:08.480 and do drugs

00:19:10.120 or something.

00:19:10.500 We want to live

00:19:11.360 for something.

00:19:12.180 So what we have to ask

00:19:12.940 ourselves in the West

00:19:13.600 is what are we living for

00:19:15.400 and what would we be

00:19:16.200 willing to die for?

00:19:18.500 Unfortunately,

00:19:18.920 what these Islamists

00:19:20.020 want to do

00:19:20.620 is they want to die

00:19:23.120 for a bad cause

00:19:25.280 and they want to do so

00:19:27.260 in an unjust way

00:19:28.360 that is not reasonable

00:19:30.200 and that is contrary

00:19:31.380 to the principles

00:19:31.980 of true religion.

00:19:34.040 But what they're longing for

00:19:37.380 is unfortunately misdirected,

00:19:40.480 but there's a kernel

00:19:41.600 of something there

00:19:42.360 that is deeply human,

00:19:44.060 which is a longing

00:19:44.740 for God

00:19:45.420 and a willingness

00:19:45.880 to sacrifice

00:19:46.620 all the pleasures

00:19:47.560 of our life

00:19:48.280 for the eternal.

00:19:49.460 They just go wrong

00:19:50.440 about the particulars of it.

00:19:51.920 Their understanding

00:19:52.540 of religion is off

00:19:54.120 and their understanding

00:19:55.600 of man's relation

00:19:56.760 to God is off.

00:19:58.040 We need to have

00:19:59.660 a religious answer

00:20:00.560 to this

00:20:01.040 because if there is

00:20:03.640 to be a war,

00:20:05.540 all human conflict

00:20:06.600 ultimately is theological.

00:20:07.900 If there is to be

00:20:08.620 a clash

00:20:09.300 between people

00:20:10.180 who are willing

00:20:10.760 to live and die

00:20:12.200 for the eternal,

00:20:14.440 for God,

00:20:14.900 for their understanding

00:20:15.520 of God,

00:20:16.820 there's a clash

00:20:17.280 between that side

00:20:17.980 and people

00:20:18.460 who just really

00:20:19.380 like Netflix

00:20:20.160 or whatever

00:20:20.700 and really like

00:20:22.660 sort of hanging out

00:20:23.700 and doing drugs

00:20:24.580 and watching porn,

00:20:25.600 they're going to win.

00:20:27.540 They're making

00:20:28.300 a better argument.

00:20:29.200 We need to make

00:20:29.860 the argument

00:20:30.220 that we used to make

00:20:31.040 when we engaged

00:20:32.160 seriously in this conflict,

00:20:33.620 when we rebuffed

00:20:35.100 incursions

00:20:36.020 by this very same

00:20:37.460 religious group

00:20:38.120 into the West

00:20:38.700 going back to

00:20:39.300 the 7th and 8th centuries,

00:20:41.940 rather than just

00:20:43.840 opening them up

00:20:44.600 and letting it all in

00:20:46.640 without any impetus

00:20:49.120 for assimilation at all.

00:20:50.320 Assimilation into what?

00:20:51.120 Into Netflix?

00:20:51.800 Not going to work.

00:20:52.840 Now, speaking of

00:20:53.400 unsettling videos,

00:20:54.160 there's a video

00:20:54.560 going around.

00:20:55.560 This is my favorite

00:20:56.160 video on the internet

00:20:56.880 right now.

00:20:57.460 I guess I have to say,

00:20:58.760 because the technology

00:20:59.480 has gotten so good,

00:21:00.960 I'm going to say

00:21:01.200 right off the top,

00:21:02.240 this is AI.

00:21:05.300 Had I not told you

00:21:06.220 this was AI,

00:21:07.980 you might have been fooled.

00:21:09.740 I give you

00:21:11.460 a press conference,

00:21:12.960 supposedly with RFK Jr.

00:21:16.580 I'm declaring war

00:21:17.960 on fat gay kids.

00:21:20.700 Not the kids themselves,

00:21:22.720 but on whatever's

00:21:23.840 making them so fat,

00:21:25.880 gay, and pathetic.

00:21:27.300 I'm talking seed oils,

00:21:29.780 SSRIs,

00:21:31.160 MSNBC,

00:21:32.680 and perverts

00:21:33.580 masquerading as teachers

00:21:34.820 and guidance counselors.

00:21:36.540 Sorry,

00:21:37.180 but as an educator,

00:21:40.140 you can't show off

00:21:41.240 your extensive collection

00:21:43.460 of marital AIDS anymore.

00:21:45.640 You've got Trump

00:21:46.340 to his left,

00:21:47.480 you've got,

00:21:47.800 there's a lot of video,

00:21:48.580 the video is flawless.

00:21:49.860 a video game competition

00:21:51.640 or an only fans academy.

00:21:54.160 It's a country.

00:21:56.740 And with the help

00:21:58.600 of President Trump,

00:21:59.900 we'll be focusing

00:22:01.400 on eliminating

00:22:02.480 the things in our society

00:22:04.080 that are turning our kids

00:22:05.640 into effeminate weirdos

00:22:07.900 and scats.

00:22:10.720 And then they have

00:22:11.380 to put it at the end

00:22:11.800 as a deep fake one,

00:22:12.640 obviously,

00:22:13.260 but let people dream.

00:22:14.580 It's an amazing video.

00:22:16.180 It's really funny

00:22:16.680 to listen to and see,

00:22:17.700 but also,

00:22:18.420 it's amazing because

00:22:19.920 you will soon not

00:22:21.840 be able to believe

00:22:22.680 any videos that you see.

00:22:24.640 And everyone's

00:22:25.460 clutching their pearls

00:22:26.500 and running their garments

00:22:27.160 over this.

00:22:28.000 They say,

00:22:28.280 we're not going to know

00:22:28.860 what the truth is anymore.

00:22:30.220 We're not going to believe

00:22:31.100 what we see on TV anymore.

00:22:32.300 Good.

00:22:35.440 Good.

00:22:35.940 I'm not upset

00:22:36.560 about this at all.

00:22:37.120 I think this is great.

00:22:38.520 Pretty soon,

00:22:39.200 we're not going to be able

00:22:39.980 to just instinctively

00:22:41.420 believe anything

00:22:42.260 that we see on the internet.

00:22:43.240 Yeah, good.

00:22:43.720 You're not supposed to.

00:22:44.740 You're not supposed

00:22:45.420 to just believe

00:22:46.040 everything you see on TV.

00:22:47.560 That's a glittering

00:22:48.360 hypnotism box.

00:22:49.380 Yeah, you're supposed

00:22:49.960 to think for yourself, buddy.

00:22:51.360 And we're incarnate creatures

00:22:52.880 and we're supposed

00:22:53.940 to get together

00:22:54.820 in society

00:22:55.420 and not just all

00:22:56.340 be isolated

00:22:57.160 in our own little pods

00:22:58.600 plugged into the matrix

00:22:59.740 with the goggles on

00:23:00.800 to lull us

00:23:03.180 into slavery.

00:23:04.700 Yeah, good.

00:23:06.160 I am glad.

00:23:06.940 Six months from now,

00:23:07.740 I'm not going to be

00:23:08.280 necessary for my show.

00:23:09.540 You're going to be able

00:23:10.060 to go to AI,

00:23:10.800 say, what would Michael Knowles

00:23:11.740 say about this?

00:23:12.420 They're going to write

00:23:12.820 a whole script.

00:23:13.500 Then they'll say,

00:23:14.080 all right,

00:23:14.380 give me a Michael Knowles video.

00:23:15.300 There's plenty of video

00:23:15.940 of me all over the internet.

00:23:17.180 Okay, great.

00:23:17.700 We're going to do

00:23:17.980 a Michael Knowles video.

00:23:18.720 Okay, now produce

00:23:19.340 a 45-minute show

00:23:20.340 where Michael talks about

00:23:21.780 whatever,

00:23:22.100 what are the top

00:23:22.560 news stories of the day?

00:23:23.560 What are the top

00:23:23.960 cultural stories?

00:23:24.880 What's going on?

00:23:25.520 Okay, great.

00:23:26.140 You probably end up,

00:23:26.940 you do interviews.

00:23:27.720 I won't even be

00:23:28.680 necessary for it.

00:23:29.620 I hope I get

00:23:30.240 licensing rights

00:23:31.300 to my image

00:23:31.800 so that I don't starve.

00:23:32.900 But regardless,

00:23:33.840 what this means

00:23:34.440 for our political order

00:23:35.440 is we're going to have

00:23:37.920 to do more stuff

00:23:38.480 in person.

00:23:39.120 Just like universities

00:23:40.020 now can't give kids

00:23:41.980 take-home papers

00:23:42.760 because the kids

00:23:43.480 are just going to use AI.

00:23:45.100 They're going to have

00:23:45.740 to bring back

00:23:46.180 the blue books

00:23:46.780 and the old exam rooms

00:23:48.220 that we had

00:23:48.840 20, 30 years ago

00:23:50.120 and long before that.

00:23:52.120 So too in our politics,

00:23:53.980 we're going to need

00:23:54.800 more in-person events.

00:23:56.660 We're going to need

00:23:56.980 more rallies.

00:23:57.900 We're going to need

00:23:58.220 more shaking hands

00:23:58.980 and kissing babies.

00:24:00.060 I have been really eager

00:24:02.440 for this for a long time.

00:24:03.820 This is in part

00:24:04.380 why I use printed note cards

00:24:05.740 and I don't use a computer.

00:24:06.780 I don't want to feel

00:24:07.380 like I'm just plugged in

00:24:08.380 and constantly manipulable

00:24:09.900 by digital sources.

00:24:11.520 This is why I started

00:24:12.500 a cigar company in part

00:24:13.660 because I want people

00:24:14.940 to get together in person

00:24:16.360 and have conversations

00:24:17.260 for 45 minutes or an hour.

00:24:19.280 We need real life.

00:24:20.580 We need to get back

00:24:21.380 to the incarnate

00:24:23.140 and especially

00:24:23.900 the sacramental realities

00:24:25.180 that pertain to human life.

00:24:27.480 I know it's very untraded

00:24:28.780 and unconservative

00:24:29.380 to say that new technology

00:24:31.020 could possibly be a good thing.

00:24:32.840 In this way, it can be

00:24:33.640 because the technology

00:24:34.800 is destroying itself

00:24:35.920 or rather destroying

00:24:36.960 our ability

00:24:38.000 to blindly believe it.

00:24:40.100 Hold on.

00:24:40.940 Stop what you're doing.

00:24:41.620 We will get to much more.

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00:26:11.240 My favorite comment yesterday

00:26:12.360 is from Carmen DeWall,

00:26:14.060 5032,

00:26:14.900 who says,

00:26:15.200 as a white South African,

00:26:16.220 thank you.

00:26:17.040 Thank you for speaking the truth,

00:26:18.200 for creating awareness,

00:26:19.020 for listening and thinking.

00:26:20.420 Thank you.

00:26:20.740 That's very kind.

00:26:21.260 I'm very sorry for what you're

00:26:22.500 going through in South Africa

00:26:23.440 right now.

00:26:24.660 There's a lot more I want to get to.

00:26:25.840 I really want to get to

00:26:26.940 a new Democrat presidential candidate.

00:26:29.720 That'll be a fun one.

00:26:30.680 I want to get to a little bit more

00:26:32.020 out of South Africa.

00:26:32.860 Because South Africa's

00:26:33.660 president is weighing in

00:26:34.720 on Trump's offer

00:26:36.000 to take in refugees,

00:26:37.640 the white farmers,

00:26:38.580 the Afrikaners.

00:26:39.840 I want to get to all that,

00:26:40.760 but we don't have time.

00:26:41.360 Because I want to get to

00:26:43.600 whether or not to ban porn.

00:26:46.000 Should the federal government

00:26:47.480 ban porn?

00:26:49.600 Can the federal government

00:26:50.880 ban porn?

00:26:52.780 Doesn't the federal government

00:26:53.860 already sort of ban porn?

00:26:55.700 And we all just kind of

00:26:56.560 forgot about it,

00:26:57.220 and it's a little bit ambiguous.

00:26:58.400 Here to help us answer

00:26:59.380 all of these questions,

00:27:00.680 one of the great men

00:27:01.500 of Washington, D.C.,

00:27:02.500 one of the great men

00:27:03.260 in our country,

00:27:03.940 who has authored a bill

00:27:05.220 to outlaw online pornography,

00:27:08.240 that would be

00:27:08.860 Senator Mike Lee.

00:27:10.420 Senator Lee,

00:27:11.420 thank you for coming

00:27:11.960 on the show.

00:27:13.300 Thank you, Michael.

00:27:14.240 Good to be with you.

00:27:15.200 Also, thank you for the bill.

00:27:16.600 I think it's great.

00:27:17.560 I've been calling for this

00:27:18.300 sort of thing for a long time,

00:27:19.600 and whenever I've suggested

00:27:20.980 that maybe it's not

00:27:22.480 the best idea

00:27:23.140 to have our country,

00:27:24.440 especially children,

00:27:25.680 just saturated

00:27:26.480 in some of the most

00:27:27.380 extreme, degrading,

00:27:28.920 vicious material imaginable,

00:27:30.560 people tell me

00:27:31.440 that there is nothing

00:27:32.440 more American

00:27:33.080 than hardcore porn,

00:27:35.500 and it's protected

00:27:36.300 by the First Amendment,

00:27:37.640 and that if you want

00:27:38.460 to do anything about it,

00:27:39.640 you're an

00:27:40.400 ahistorical fascist

00:27:42.480 or something.

00:27:43.680 You know a thing

00:27:44.500 or two about the law.

00:27:45.400 I think you've read

00:27:45.920 the Constitution

00:27:46.440 once or twice,

00:27:47.080 one of the leading lawyers

00:27:47.720 in the country.

00:27:48.940 What say you?

00:27:50.980 Look, at the outset,

00:27:52.840 we've got to point out

00:27:53.620 obscenity is not protected

00:27:55.960 by the First Amendment.

00:27:57.140 Never has been.

00:27:58.020 To this day,

00:27:58.840 it is not.

00:27:59.460 The Supreme Court

00:28:00.020 acknowledges that the First Amendment

00:28:01.380 doesn't cover obscenity.

00:28:02.640 The question is,

00:28:03.940 what is obscenity?

00:28:05.280 How is it defined?

00:28:06.040 Some of those definitions

00:28:07.360 have changed over time.

00:28:10.020 There is,

00:28:11.040 and you referred to this

00:28:11.760 a moment ago, Michael,

00:28:12.600 there's this

00:28:13.220 sometimes unspoken

00:28:15.720 but widely held

00:28:17.160 false assumption

00:28:18.480 that there is

00:28:19.660 a universal human right

00:28:21.120 or a universal

00:28:22.120 undeniable,

00:28:26.160 impenetrable

00:28:27.020 First Amendment right

00:28:28.380 to distribute

00:28:30.680 pornography,

00:28:32.540 explicit material,

00:28:33.040 obscene material even,

00:28:35.760 and make it available

00:28:36.800 to children

00:28:37.520 and there's nothing,

00:28:38.640 anything the government

00:28:39.700 can do about it

00:28:40.420 because, well,

00:28:41.100 the First Amendment.

00:28:42.420 That simply isn't true.

00:28:43.460 It's never been the case.

00:28:44.520 It's not the case today.

00:28:46.960 What my bill is about,

00:28:48.380 really,

00:28:48.720 is about trying to address

00:28:51.260 the modern age.

00:28:52.980 Remember,

00:28:54.240 decades ago,

00:28:56.160 people viewed pornography

00:28:58.620 differently than they do today.

00:29:01.340 They either,

00:29:03.040 have to go to a movie theater

00:29:04.580 in a shitty part of town

00:29:05.460 or maybe they'd have to

00:29:06.180 buy something,

00:29:07.580 a magazine or something

00:29:08.520 physically.

00:29:11.160 And when they did that,

00:29:12.800 typically there were laws

00:29:14.300 and other restrictions

00:29:15.580 that made sure

00:29:16.800 that they weren't selling it

00:29:17.700 to kids,

00:29:18.400 made sure that if the cover

00:29:19.720 was explicit,

00:29:20.900 that it wasn't

00:29:22.160 something that could be viewed

00:29:23.860 by children.

00:29:25.000 There were restrictions on it.

00:29:26.900 Now in the internet age,

00:29:28.460 when this stuff

00:29:29.300 is widely available,

00:29:30.600 children have easy,

00:29:31.620 ready access

00:29:32.660 to pornographic material

00:29:35.240 all the time,

00:29:36.560 we need to update our laws.

00:29:38.440 Update our laws

00:29:39.240 to make sure

00:29:39.660 that it's not just

00:29:40.520 fair game out there

00:29:41.580 so that we can protect

00:29:42.620 our children.

00:29:43.080 That's why I introduced

00:29:43.860 the Interstate Obscenity

00:29:45.200 Definition Act,

00:29:46.120 along with Representative

00:29:47.260 Mary Miller,

00:29:48.560 to establish

00:29:49.300 a comprehensive definition

00:29:50.860 more appropriate

00:29:53.380 for the internet age

00:29:54.720 so that we can

00:29:56.060 protect kids

00:29:58.020 from obscene materials

00:30:00.060 under federal law.

00:30:01.600 Well, you know,

00:30:02.500 this point on obscenity

00:30:03.580 I think is so important

00:30:04.720 because it's not

00:30:05.880 that your bill,

00:30:06.640 as some people

00:30:07.180 are writing about it,

00:30:09.200 would radically change

00:30:10.640 the American law,

00:30:11.940 you know,

00:30:12.160 impose some

00:30:13.060 severe new restriction.

00:30:15.120 It would just

00:30:15.760 take our legal tradition

00:30:17.940 and continue it

00:30:19.700 and adapt it

00:30:20.440 for the digital age.

00:30:21.740 There have been efforts

00:30:22.460 to do this before.

00:30:23.400 I remember in the 1990s,

00:30:24.720 or I actually don't remember

00:30:25.940 it when I was a kid,

00:30:26.660 but I remember reading about it,

00:30:27.860 there was the

00:30:28.380 Communications Decency Act,

00:30:29.880 which now we focus on

00:30:31.540 how that modifies

00:30:33.480 social media

00:30:34.140 and gives liability

00:30:34.960 to social media companies,

00:30:36.260 but really it was about

00:30:36.960 decency and communications.

00:30:38.700 And part of that,

00:30:39.640 before part of the law

00:30:40.260 was struck down

00:30:40.760 by radical judges,

00:30:41.980 was about ensuring

00:30:43.320 that kids

00:30:43.820 wouldn't have access

00:30:45.320 to all this kind

00:30:45.860 of crazy material.

00:30:46.800 There was the

00:30:47.120 Child Online Protection Act,

00:30:48.340 same thing.

00:30:49.220 This was passed

00:30:50.160 with Republican support,

00:30:51.800 Democrat support,

00:30:52.560 there was a Republican

00:30:53.380 Congress,

00:30:54.080 there was Bill Clinton

00:30:54.740 who was president.

00:30:55.720 I don't know,

00:30:56.160 this shouldn't be

00:30:56.780 so radical to me.

00:30:58.000 Furthermore,

00:30:59.320 we remember in 2008,

00:31:00.520 the federal government

00:31:01.280 prosecuted,

00:31:02.760 convicted,

00:31:03.540 and jailed

00:31:04.240 a pornographer,

00:31:05.060 a particularly bad one,

00:31:06.600 for obscenity.

00:31:07.860 So, I don't know,

00:31:09.020 it doesn't seem radical to me.

00:31:11.100 What would your bill do?

00:31:14.200 How would the law change,

00:31:15.680 or how would the enforcement

00:31:16.260 of the law change

00:31:17.120 if your law is passed?

00:31:19.320 Yeah, first of all,

00:31:20.140 it's not radically different,

00:31:21.780 and it does just reflect

00:31:23.160 the need to update

00:31:24.100 and modernize things

00:31:25.700 from where they've been

00:31:27.220 since 1973.

00:31:28.640 We have in place today

00:31:30.460 something known

00:31:31.000 as the Miller Standard.

00:31:32.380 It's a reference

00:31:33.440 to a 1973 Supreme Court case.

00:31:36.940 The standards on it

00:31:38.180 are subjective and vague,

00:31:40.060 making it pretty difficult

00:31:41.640 to apply to any piece

00:31:44.160 of material in particular.

00:31:45.360 although all that said,

00:31:48.560 this tries to preserve

00:31:49.960 as much of the Miller test

00:31:51.700 as possible,

00:31:52.320 given that some of these things

00:31:53.860 are now familiar.

00:31:54.860 So, the Miller test

00:31:55.940 determines content

00:31:58.480 to be obscene.

00:32:00.320 If it appeals to what

00:32:01.660 they describe

00:32:02.160 as prurient interest,

00:32:03.560 as the prurient interest

00:32:04.780 in sex,

00:32:05.840 and describes sexual conduct

00:32:07.940 or depicts it

00:32:09.380 in a patently obscene,

00:32:11.000 patently offensive way,

00:32:12.340 and that it also has

00:32:13.720 to lack serious

00:32:14.780 literary, artistic,

00:32:16.460 political,

00:32:16.940 or scientific value.

00:32:19.040 But the part

00:32:21.100 that talks about

00:32:22.000 depicting sexual content

00:32:23.740 in a patently offensive way,

00:32:27.700 itself proves problematic,

00:32:29.940 and it makes reference

00:32:31.240 to state law.

00:32:32.560 The Miller case

00:32:33.460 involved state law,

00:32:35.260 not federal law.

00:32:36.180 There was no such thing

00:32:36.980 as the internet back then.

00:32:39.120 And so we need

00:32:41.400 to update this

00:32:41.980 so that, number one,

00:32:42.720 there's a modern

00:32:45.240 federal standard,

00:32:47.300 a federal standard

00:32:48.020 that determines

00:32:48.680 what happens

00:32:49.520 when you are marketing

00:32:51.480 pornography,

00:32:53.300 you're distributing pornography

00:32:54.860 on a channel

00:32:56.280 or through an instrumentality

00:32:58.060 of interstate commerce

00:32:59.700 like the internet

00:33:00.840 across state lines.

00:33:03.380 Remember, Michael,

00:33:04.620 there are all kinds

00:33:05.760 of other contexts

00:33:07.260 in which we have

00:33:08.680 overlapping state

00:33:10.100 and federal laws.

00:33:12.080 And sometimes

00:33:12.520 the state law

00:33:13.360 will be applicable

00:33:14.120 when the conduct

00:33:15.500 is occurring entirely

00:33:16.600 within a state.

00:33:18.140 You sometimes need

00:33:18.960 a federal standard

00:33:19.740 if it's going to occur

00:33:20.920 across state lines

00:33:21.920 or through a channel

00:33:22.840 of interstate commerce

00:33:24.240 like the internet.

00:33:26.160 And so this one

00:33:27.320 simplifies it.

00:33:28.880 It attempts to

00:33:30.140 create a standard

00:33:31.580 that is more manageable

00:33:32.760 and understandable,

00:33:33.900 and it supplies

00:33:35.940 its own federal standards

00:33:38.180 so that we don't have

00:33:38.900 to make reference

00:33:39.640 back to a non-existent

00:33:41.800 state law

00:33:42.440 because this is

00:33:43.260 a federal issue.

00:33:44.840 It is moreover worth noting

00:33:46.620 that there are other

00:33:47.260 circumstances

00:33:47.800 in which other types

00:33:49.200 of constitutionally

00:33:52.440 protected activities

00:33:55.220 are still subject

00:33:56.600 to federal law

00:33:58.760 restrictions

00:33:59.440 regarding how

00:34:01.580 something is distributed.

00:34:02.660 Let's take the

00:34:03.340 Second Amendment,

00:34:04.040 for example,

00:34:05.020 protects the right

00:34:05.680 to bear arms.

00:34:06.380 There are nonetheless

00:34:08.140 restrictions,

00:34:10.020 including federal laws,

00:34:11.960 that make it

00:34:13.400 so you're not supposed

00:34:14.940 to,

00:34:15.220 you can't legally

00:34:16.400 sell a firearm

00:34:18.220 to somebody

00:34:18.960 unless certain

00:34:19.500 minimum standards

00:34:20.540 are met.

00:34:22.360 And that would include

00:34:23.800 things like the ability

00:34:24.840 to restrict

00:34:25.560 sales to children

00:34:27.560 of firearms.

00:34:29.180 We know that

00:34:30.440 pornography,

00:34:31.960 obscene content,

00:34:33.400 including a lot

00:34:35.520 pornography out there,

00:34:36.520 does have a well-known,

00:34:38.700 documentable,

00:34:39.720 provable,

00:34:40.780 bad effect

00:34:41.600 on children.

00:34:43.100 On adults also,

00:34:44.320 but especially children.

00:34:46.140 And so that's

00:34:47.140 our objective here

00:34:48.300 because applying

00:34:50.100 a pre-internet standard

00:34:51.820 to the internet era

00:34:53.620 causes a whole lot

00:34:55.040 of challenges,

00:34:55.740 particularly when you're

00:34:56.480 trying to protect kids.

00:34:57.780 Of course,

00:34:58.320 of course.

00:34:58.720 And you can go back

00:34:59.800 even before the

00:35:00.460 founding of the country

00:35:01.880 in the late 18th century,

00:35:03.160 you can go back

00:35:03.940 to the middle

00:35:04.680 of the 17th century

00:35:05.820 and you can see

00:35:07.040 all sorts of statutes

00:35:08.640 and legal documents

00:35:10.400 pointing out

00:35:11.380 that liberty

00:35:12.840 cannot fall

00:35:13.740 into licentiousness

00:35:14.760 or people are going

00:35:15.280 to lose their true liberty

00:35:16.200 and so you have

00:35:17.080 to protect against

00:35:18.240 the kind of content

00:35:19.260 that would appeal

00:35:20.000 to the prurian interest

00:35:21.120 that would not be

00:35:22.040 constitutionally protected speech

00:35:23.420 like obscenity

00:35:24.100 or fraud

00:35:24.920 or libel

00:35:26.000 or any other

00:35:27.100 manner of chatter.

00:35:29.020 So to me,

00:35:30.000 it seems perfectly normal.

00:35:31.340 The way that you're

00:35:31.900 talking about it too

00:35:32.820 suggests that the law

00:35:35.120 would really go after

00:35:36.000 producers of this content.

00:35:37.680 It's not that,

00:35:38.360 you know,

00:35:39.200 the person who's

00:35:40.160 logging onto a website

00:35:41.440 at night

00:35:42.340 is going to have

00:35:42.760 the purity police

00:35:43.440 come to his door.

00:35:44.360 It's just saying,

00:35:45.140 look,

00:35:45.500 there are bad actors

00:35:47.320 who are really abusing

00:35:48.580 our system

00:35:49.280 who are luring women

00:35:51.160 into usually abusive situations

00:35:53.040 and who are exploiting people

00:35:54.760 and who are,

00:35:55.940 who just really have

00:35:56.760 no right to do that

00:35:57.980 and have never had a right

00:35:58.980 to do that in America.

00:35:59.860 And the internet

00:36:01.200 obviously changed

00:36:02.360 a lot of people's behavior.

00:36:03.240 But, you know,

00:36:03.940 look,

00:36:04.380 that's why,

00:36:05.260 that's why we have laws

00:36:06.020 in the first place

00:36:06.720 is to protect

00:36:08.400 against these things.

00:36:09.440 Really quickly,

00:36:10.140 before I let you go,

00:36:10.920 Senator,

00:36:11.980 what do you think

00:36:12.420 the odds are?

00:36:13.420 Nuts and bolts politics.

00:36:15.480 You're talking

00:36:16.100 to your colleagues.

00:36:17.120 Congress,

00:36:17.580 Congressman Miller

00:36:18.160 is talking to her colleagues

00:36:19.240 in the House.

00:36:20.140 Does it get through?

00:36:22.980 Is this something

00:36:24.160 that is going to pass

00:36:25.060 into law tomorrow

00:36:25.900 or the next day?

00:36:26.760 Absolutely not.

00:36:27.480 People are still grasping

00:36:29.380 to understand it.

00:36:30.080 Right now,

00:36:30.380 there's a lot of

00:36:31.340 incorrect information

00:36:33.080 out there suggesting

00:36:33.960 that this is criminalizing

00:36:35.820 all pornography.

00:36:36.780 The consumption

00:36:37.260 and distribution

00:36:38.080 in any of the circumstances

00:36:39.840 is not true.

00:36:41.000 We're going to have to

00:36:42.060 dig our way

00:36:42.900 out of that.

00:36:45.320 This is going to take a while.

00:36:46.580 Rome wasn't built

00:36:47.280 in a day

00:36:47.860 and there

00:36:48.940 are a lot of reasons

00:36:51.540 why we need

00:36:52.840 to act on this,

00:36:53.580 but it's nowhere

00:36:54.220 near the point

00:36:56.040 where I'm expecting passage.

00:36:58.160 Again,

00:36:58.560 the important thing

00:36:59.280 to remember

00:36:59.660 is we're updating

00:37:01.280 the Communications Act

00:37:03.380 of 1934

00:37:04.120 and we're talking

00:37:06.480 about the distribution

00:37:07.100 of content

00:37:07.960 that taken as a whole

00:37:08.880 appeals to the prurine

00:37:09.680 interest in sex.

00:37:11.600 It depicts,

00:37:12.180 describes,

00:37:12.600 or represents

00:37:13.200 actual or simulated

00:37:14.540 sexual acts

00:37:15.520 with this

00:37:16.600 objectively

00:37:17.320 observable intent

00:37:20.300 to arouse

00:37:21.580 and so forth

00:37:22.100 and taken as a whole

00:37:23.100 lacks serious literary,

00:37:24.500 artistic,

00:37:25.060 political,

00:37:25.500 or scientific value.

00:37:27.540 This would not include

00:37:29.260 the other element

00:37:30.740 of Miller,

00:37:31.500 the one that

00:37:33.440 makes reference

00:37:36.360 to the fact

00:37:36.800 that it has to be

00:37:37.940 patently offensive

00:37:39.260 according to the

00:37:40.480 community standards

00:37:41.520 embodied in whatever

00:37:43.600 state

00:37:44.060 or local law

00:37:45.460 or ordinance

00:37:46.180 is at issue.

00:37:47.560 It makes no sense

00:37:48.400 to maintain

00:37:49.200 that element

00:37:50.440 of the Miller standard

00:37:51.300 in this

00:37:52.140 because we're talking

00:37:53.240 about a national system,

00:37:55.080 a nationwide network,

00:37:56.660 a channel of interstate

00:37:57.820 commerce

00:37:58.180 that is the internet.

00:38:00.400 It is appropriate

00:38:01.480 for Congress

00:38:02.100 to revisit this

00:38:03.000 and to come up

00:38:03.940 with this new

00:38:04.560 simpler standard

00:38:05.560 particularly in the

00:38:07.300 internet age.

00:38:07.920 That's all we're trying

00:38:08.780 to do.

00:38:09.340 I love the point also.

00:38:11.160 I think your point

00:38:12.100 on the distinction

00:38:13.400 between the federal

00:38:14.200 government

00:38:14.640 and matters

00:38:16.180 that pertain

00:38:16.620 to interstate commerce

00:38:17.820 and state standards

00:38:19.540 but also when we're

00:38:20.540 living in a time

00:38:21.160 that denies standards

00:38:22.220 entirely just in principle

00:38:23.460 then the appeal

00:38:25.200 to contemporary

00:38:25.840 community standards

00:38:26.700 is kind of

00:38:27.580 a meaningless statement.

00:38:29.180 Senator,

00:38:30.380 no flattery at all.

00:38:32.200 You're really

00:38:32.820 one of the greats

00:38:33.360 out there

00:38:33.660 and this issue

00:38:34.660 I think is one

00:38:35.240 of the most

00:38:36.140 important issues

00:38:36.860 and it's kind

00:38:37.400 of a subtle issue

00:38:38.160 so people miss it a lot

00:38:39.360 but it's one

00:38:39.720 of the most important

00:38:40.380 things we could do

00:38:41.100 to help restore

00:38:41.940 a little national health.

00:38:43.320 We'll leave it there.

00:38:44.300 Senator Lee,

00:38:45.060 thank you for coming

00:38:45.520 on the show.

00:38:46.840 Thanks so much, Michael.

00:38:47.820 All right.

00:38:49.140 All right.

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00:39:03.500 I know what you're thinking.

00:39:04.800 You're saying,

00:39:05.100 Michael, it's Thursday.

00:39:06.920 Why?

00:39:08.000 Why, oh why

00:39:08.960 are we getting

00:39:09.760 the mailbag today?

00:39:11.220 Well, we'll get some

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00:39:21.500 of course.

00:39:22.300 But also because

00:39:23.340 I'm taking my wife

00:39:25.320 and children to the beach.

00:39:26.520 That's right.

00:39:27.800 I haven't taken

00:39:28.680 like a real

00:39:29.600 big family vacation

00:39:30.700 in a long time.

00:39:33.640 Many, many,

00:39:34.560 I don't know,

00:39:34.860 years at this point.

00:39:36.280 And I'm going to take

00:39:37.660 my wife and kids

00:39:38.380 to the beach.

00:39:39.600 There's nothing

00:39:40.060 you can do about it.

00:39:40.780 It's not like a long,

00:39:41.300 I mean, I'll be back

00:39:42.120 on Monday,

00:39:42.460 no big deal.

00:39:42.840 But we've got

00:39:43.800 very exciting content

00:39:44.700 coming out tomorrow.

00:39:45.820 And in the meantime,

00:39:46.420 I get your mailbag questions.

00:39:48.020 Take it away.

00:39:49.320 Hey, Michael.

00:39:50.200 Relationship question for you.

00:39:51.340 I've been married

00:39:51.740 to my wife now

00:39:52.640 for coming up

00:39:53.960 on seven years.

00:39:55.500 I love her to death

00:39:56.460 and she's loved my life.

00:39:58.580 And I,

00:39:59.540 when we started

00:40:00.180 getting to dating

00:40:01.340 and then got married,

00:40:02.480 I was a Protestant

00:40:03.460 but I was just not

00:40:04.680 fully committed

00:40:05.220 to my faith

00:40:05.820 like I thought I was.

00:40:07.620 And then I recently

00:40:08.380 entered the Catholic Church.

00:40:09.300 It was one of the most

00:40:09.880 beautiful days

00:40:10.580 in my life.

00:40:11.940 I'm so thankful

00:40:12.740 for God's grace and mercy

00:40:13.800 and bringing me home

00:40:14.640 to his church.

00:40:15.360 But my wife doesn't

00:40:16.380 go to Mass with me.

00:40:17.100 We were going to

00:40:17.880 convalidate her marriage

00:40:18.800 but she kind of

00:40:19.720 got pushed away

00:40:20.400 by one of the deacons

00:40:21.360 by him seeing her

00:40:24.380 not at church

00:40:25.020 with me and our son.

00:40:26.660 He didn't even,

00:40:27.260 he didn't want to even

00:40:28.020 let me enter the church

00:40:29.020 let alone

00:40:29.600 convalidate her marriage.

00:40:31.920 But now she just,

00:40:33.060 she seems like she just

00:40:34.000 doesn't want to have

00:40:34.520 anything to do with it.

00:40:35.320 And I take my son to Mass

00:40:36.660 every Sunday

00:40:37.560 just by myself.

00:40:38.260 So how do you handle this?

00:40:39.040 Do you continue

00:40:39.560 to lead by example?

00:40:41.000 And just continue to go?

00:40:42.540 Or do you push the issue

00:40:43.960 a little more

00:40:44.440 risking pushing her

00:40:45.420 farther away?

00:40:46.060 So we'd love to hear

00:40:46.640 from you Michael.

00:40:47.160 Thank you.

00:40:47.860 Okay good question.

00:40:48.860 Glad to hear you've

00:40:49.760 swum the Tiber.

00:40:50.680 That's great news.

00:40:51.400 Sorry you have a little

00:40:52.140 marital difficulty here.

00:40:54.020 But hopefully you both

00:40:55.360 come out stronger for it.

00:40:57.080 People sometimes react

00:40:59.000 against clerics,

00:41:01.220 deacons

00:41:01.740 because they

00:41:04.540 know that the clerics

00:41:06.360 and the deacons

00:41:06.860 are right.

00:41:07.300 Did you say at the top

00:41:08.420 is your wife Catholic

00:41:09.420 or is she not Catholic?

00:41:11.080 If she is Catholic

00:41:12.300 then she really needs

00:41:13.760 to go to Mass.

00:41:15.160 It's not just

00:41:15.980 a suggestion

00:41:17.820 to go to Mass

00:41:18.500 but you have an obligation

00:41:19.440 to go to Mass

00:41:20.240 once a week on Sundays

00:41:21.320 and hopefully more than that.

00:41:23.360 And you have an obligation

00:41:24.360 to go to confession

00:41:25.060 and all the rest.

00:41:25.520 So if the deacon

00:41:26.700 is saying well hey

00:41:27.440 if you're really serious

00:41:28.440 about this

00:41:28.780 you've got to go to Mass

00:41:29.520 and she says well

00:41:30.500 how dare you

00:41:31.440 how dare you tell me

00:41:32.740 what I should do?

00:41:33.280 Well that's kind of

00:41:33.980 that's how the religion works.

00:41:35.640 There are rules.

00:41:36.580 You know

00:41:36.720 the religion is not

00:41:38.040 about the rules

00:41:38.640 but there are rules

00:41:39.900 that are guidelines

00:41:40.760 to help you navigate

00:41:42.580 a relationship

00:41:43.160 of grace with God.

00:41:44.300 So if she's not Catholic

00:41:46.140 then I wouldn't necessarily

00:41:48.320 jump into the water

00:41:49.660 right away

00:41:50.180 and say you know

00:41:51.680 we've got to

00:41:52.260 we've got to

00:41:53.100 have our marriage

00:41:54.140 regularized

00:41:55.200 you know

00:41:55.400 in the Catholic Church.

00:41:56.260 I would lead her along.

00:41:58.120 What I would suggest is

00:41:59.360 keep going

00:42:01.580 you know

00:42:01.780 with your kid

00:42:02.160 that's good

00:42:02.440 and just say

00:42:02.920 listen honey

00:42:03.360 I think this is

00:42:03.980 really important

00:42:04.660 because God exists

00:42:06.060 you know

00:42:06.560 and we

00:42:07.320 I think we owe God something.

00:42:09.920 So if you wouldn't mind

00:42:10.600 coming with me

00:42:11.220 we don't need to go

00:42:12.220 regularize the marriage yet.

00:42:14.080 I'm not going to force you

00:42:14.840 into the confessional box.

00:42:16.540 You don't have to

00:42:17.320 and you actually should not

00:42:18.180 receive the Holy Eucharist

00:42:19.460 if you're not

00:42:20.320 in a state of grace

00:42:21.000 because you'll be eating

00:42:22.000 your own damnation

00:42:22.680 you don't want to do that

00:42:23.400 but I think it's really important

00:42:25.840 that we go

00:42:26.980 at least for one hour a week

00:42:28.700 and just at least

00:42:30.220 think about God

00:42:31.100 and really what you're doing

00:42:32.120 at the Mass

00:42:32.680 is worshiping God.

00:42:35.700 You're not primarily there

00:42:37.320 to learn something.

00:42:39.380 It's not like

00:42:40.360 there can be

00:42:41.380 plenty of great

00:42:42.140 Protestant preaching

00:42:42.920 but a lot of

00:42:44.000 Protestant services

00:42:44.760 are about preaching

00:42:46.480 they're didactic

00:42:47.380 it's like a Bible study

00:42:48.440 and there's a

00:42:48.980 there's a lot of room

00:42:49.880 for Bible studies

00:42:50.440 but that's not what

00:42:50.940 the Mass is about.

00:42:52.860 There can be

00:42:53.940 a lot of emotional growth

00:42:55.340 that goes on in Mass

00:42:56.260 for you personally

00:42:57.040 but the Mass

00:42:58.080 is not a therapy session.

00:42:59.880 The Mass is not there

00:43:00.720 so it's not

00:43:01.500 it's not a

00:43:01.980 it's not a rock concert

00:43:02.900 it's not there to entertain you.

00:43:04.460 The purpose of the Mass

00:43:05.800 is to go and worship God

00:43:06.900 and we believe

00:43:08.720 that our Lord

00:43:09.560 is present

00:43:10.800 really and truly

00:43:12.120 body, blood, soul

00:43:13.380 and divinity

00:43:13.720 in the Holy Sacrament.

00:43:14.680 You're there to worship God

00:43:15.460 that's what it's about.

00:43:16.180 So if you can at least

00:43:17.260 get your wife

00:43:18.100 to say

00:43:19.100 to agree

00:43:19.760 yeah we should

00:43:20.480 at least kind of

00:43:21.500 think about God

00:43:22.040 for a little bit

00:43:22.740 you know every week

00:43:23.300 I think that's a good

00:43:24.460 good place to start

00:43:25.400 and the nice thing

00:43:26.560 about that too is

00:43:27.160 I don't know if the deacon

00:43:28.180 is a jerk or not

00:43:28.820 I'm not saying the deacon's a jerk

00:43:29.760 but if he is

00:43:30.480 or if the priest is a jerk

00:43:31.580 or I could be

00:43:32.180 you say well

00:43:33.280 the good thing about

00:43:34.200 the Catholic Mass is

00:43:34.940 it doesn't matter

00:43:35.780 if they're jerks

00:43:36.320 it can be

00:43:36.940 you don't need to

00:43:37.620 take all their advice

00:43:38.440 you're not there for them

00:43:39.540 and you're not even there for you

00:43:41.160 you're there

00:43:41.820 for God

00:43:42.940 and you know

00:43:43.460 God made you

00:43:44.080 and sustains you

00:43:44.800 at every moment

00:43:45.400 and you know

00:43:46.240 has blessed you

00:43:46.640 with all such wonderful things

00:43:47.440 like our beautiful family

00:43:48.200 and so you know

00:43:49.420 an hour a week

00:43:50.400 it would mean a lot to me

00:43:51.320 honey if you'd show up

00:43:52.200 that's what I would suggest

00:43:53.040 next question

00:43:54.600 Hey Michael

00:43:56.060 my name is Abel

00:43:57.500 and I'm a 21 year old

00:43:59.560 Catholic college student

00:44:00.960 from Hungary

00:44:01.660 I really love your show

00:44:03.200 I have a question

00:44:04.640 about the death penalty

00:44:05.820 I know that

00:44:07.180 conservatives generally

00:44:08.680 in favor of it

00:44:10.300 but

00:44:10.620 in the Bible

00:44:11.820 Jesus seems to

00:44:13.300 condemn it

00:44:14.100 like in

00:44:15.000 John 8-7

00:44:16.320 with the woman

00:44:17.980 caught in adultery

00:44:19.120 or just in general

00:44:20.680 when we say

00:44:21.480 life is holy

00:44:22.740 and only God

00:44:23.740 has the power

00:44:24.400 to take it

00:44:25.220 in my gut

00:44:27.040 I feel like

00:44:28.000 the death penalty

00:44:28.680 is needed

00:44:29.340 to bring justice

00:44:30.540 in some situations

00:44:31.860 but

00:44:32.880 what is the

00:44:33.700 Christian

00:44:34.280 justification

00:44:35.160 to it

00:44:35.960 thank you for your thoughts

00:44:37.500 okay well

00:44:38.680 so you're bringing up

00:44:39.720 a moment

00:44:40.460 from scripture

00:44:41.100 and then I think

00:44:41.840 you're adding

00:44:42.300 a little bit

00:44:42.820 of your own

00:44:43.480 interpretation

00:44:44.680 or revision

00:44:45.360 of scripture

00:44:45.880 there

00:44:46.220 I don't remember

00:44:48.120 the verse in scripture

00:44:48.900 where our Lord says

00:44:50.160 life is holy

00:44:52.160 and no government

00:44:53.560 has the right

00:44:54.280 to execution

00:44:55.420 or civil justice

00:44:57.060 I mean

00:44:57.400 our Lord's

00:44:58.160 sacrifice

00:44:59.580 comes

00:45:00.160 because

00:45:01.100 of a

00:45:02.220 legitimate power

00:45:04.280 executing him

00:45:05.220 according to the law

00:45:06.120 that's actually

00:45:07.020 the incident

00:45:08.000 that brings us

00:45:08.960 our salvation

00:45:09.520 I remember

00:45:10.820 in Genesis

00:45:11.620 reading that

00:45:13.160 whosoever sheds

00:45:14.080 the blood of man

00:45:14.680 by man shall

00:45:15.160 his blood be shed

00:45:16.020 I remember

00:45:16.580 reading all sorts

00:45:17.960 of prescriptions

00:45:18.740 for capital punishment

00:45:20.180 throughout the Old Testament

00:45:21.140 I remember

00:45:22.300 St. Paul writing to us

00:45:23.360 in the New Testament

00:45:24.020 that the civil authority

00:45:25.440 is given to us

00:45:26.580 for our good

00:45:27.260 by God

00:45:27.820 and does not bear

00:45:28.420 the sword in vain

00:45:29.160 so no

00:45:30.140 I don't think

00:45:30.980 that death penalty

00:45:31.640 is contrary to scripture

00:45:32.540 at all

00:45:33.200 it's certainly not

00:45:33.880 contrary to the

00:45:35.420 2,000 year

00:45:36.300 magisterial teaching

00:45:37.100 of the church

00:45:37.780 and in fact

00:45:39.460 many great doctors

00:45:41.960 of the church

00:45:42.400 not only defended

00:45:43.080 the death penalty

00:45:43.720 but even a

00:45:44.680 man on his way

00:45:45.900 to canonization

00:45:47.140 as a saint

00:45:47.640 blessed Pius IX

00:45:48.320 carried it out himself

00:45:49.160 so this is why

00:45:50.240 it's very important

00:45:50.960 to interpret scripture

00:45:52.200 not just one line

00:45:53.360 out of context

00:45:54.060 but in the context

00:45:56.040 of all of

00:45:56.960 holy scripture

00:45:57.700 and furthermore

00:45:59.400 in the context

00:46:00.880 of the magisterium

00:46:01.760 of the church

00:46:02.180 so it can help

00:46:02.780 you to understand

00:46:03.220 it

00:46:03.420 all right

00:46:03.720 next question

00:46:05.520 hello Michael

00:46:07.300 in light of the election

00:46:08.540 of the new pope

00:46:09.440 and the talk

00:46:10.540 of if he'd be

00:46:11.180 super woke or not

00:46:12.220 a hypothetical question

00:46:13.820 came to mind

00:46:14.600 if a pope

00:46:16.180 did come along

00:46:17.280 who extensively

00:46:18.260 changed the church

00:46:19.440 so much

00:46:20.240 that it questioned

00:46:21.400 the veracity to you

00:46:22.680 such as making

00:46:23.600 women priests

00:46:24.500 accepting abortion

00:46:26.020 and same-sex marriage

00:46:27.520 etc

00:46:28.080 is there another

00:46:30.020 faith tradition

00:46:30.840 you would consider

00:46:32.340 whether christian

00:46:33.200 or not

00:46:33.780 would you try

00:46:35.200 to find a way

00:46:35.780 to justify

00:46:36.340 the new pope

00:46:37.060 could another

00:46:38.300 christian denomination

00:46:39.360 convince you

00:46:40.080 to join

00:46:40.560 would another

00:46:41.680 faith tradition

00:46:42.520 be convincing

00:46:43.180 to you

00:46:43.660 or would you

00:46:44.740 simply revert

00:46:45.380 to atheism

00:46:46.160 or agnosticism

00:46:47.400 interested to hear

00:46:48.880 your answer

00:46:49.420 thanks

00:46:50.140 no

00:46:51.140 i will die

00:46:51.980 a catholic

00:46:52.480 it won't happen

00:46:55.300 is the real issue

00:46:56.440 a pope

00:46:56.860 can't do that

00:46:58.100 some people

00:46:58.420 think of the pope

00:46:59.000 as some

00:46:59.480 tyrannical dictator

00:47:01.100 who can just

00:47:01.880 demand whatever

00:47:02.860 he pleases

00:47:03.380 and then say

00:47:03.940 whatever he wants

00:47:04.540 is infallible

00:47:05.120 that's just

00:47:05.500 actually not

00:47:06.300 what the papacy

00:47:06.920 is

00:47:07.360 but also

00:47:08.920 because the church

00:47:11.300 has not only

00:47:12.500 holy scripture

00:47:13.420 but also

00:47:14.480 the magisterium

00:47:15.520 behind it

00:47:16.160 it just can't

00:47:17.180 happen

00:47:17.520 and so

00:47:19.160 it's not that

00:47:20.120 i'm evading

00:47:20.600 your hypothetical

00:47:21.220 but i'd like

00:47:22.000 to counter

00:47:22.480 your hypothetical

00:47:23.240 with a real fact

00:47:25.820 isn't it odd

00:47:27.440 that up into

00:47:29.140 modernity

00:47:29.660 the only

00:47:31.060 faith tradition

00:47:32.240 that hasn't

00:47:33.840 gone squishy

00:47:34.480 on these issues

00:47:35.220 is the catholic

00:47:37.000 church

00:47:37.320 isn't that so odd

00:47:38.340 mainline

00:47:39.420 protestantism

00:47:40.260 embraced

00:47:40.860 contraception

00:47:42.140 in some cases

00:47:42.900 abortion

00:47:43.780 even

00:47:44.400 gay marriage

00:47:46.680 quote unquote

00:47:47.460 embraced

00:47:47.840 embraced

00:47:47.860 all that

00:47:48.180 stuff

00:47:48.440 women

00:47:48.780 priests

00:47:49.420 or priestesses

00:47:50.160 mainline

00:47:50.520 protestants

00:47:50.980 went for

00:47:51.300 that

00:47:51.460 the other

00:47:53.140 all the

00:47:54.280 various versions

00:47:55.060 of judaism

00:47:55.660 kind of disagree

00:47:56.240 on these issues

00:47:56.920 but they're much

00:47:57.440 more open

00:47:57.920 to this stuff

00:47:58.820 the non-theistic

00:48:00.000 religions of the

00:48:00.780 east

00:48:01.140 are a little

00:48:02.300 wishy-washy

00:48:02.820 in these things

00:48:03.260 even the eastern

00:48:04.480 orthodox church

00:48:05.360 which is pretty

00:48:06.520 solid in so

00:48:07.780 many ways

00:48:08.600 even the eastern

00:48:09.860 orthodox in the

00:48:10.740 20th century

00:48:11.420 began to tolerate

00:48:13.360 contraception

00:48:14.300 isn't it odd

00:48:16.840 that only the

00:48:18.320 catholic church

00:48:18.720 for all her

00:48:19.540 problems

00:48:19.980 for all of the

00:48:21.380 difficulties that

00:48:22.100 have gone along

00:48:22.780 with the history

00:48:23.240 of the church

00:48:23.620 only the catholic

00:48:24.280 church has held

00:48:25.180 firm even when

00:48:25.840 we've had

00:48:26.160 relatively more

00:48:26.780 liberal popes

00:48:27.300 to me

00:48:27.920 it's a sign

00:48:29.260 that things

00:48:30.340 are pretty solid

00:48:30.900 if the church

00:48:31.900 were to change

00:48:32.500 her views on

00:48:32.980 these very

00:48:33.340 important questions

00:48:34.100 i guess i would

00:48:35.220 have to ask

00:48:36.000 like or say

00:48:37.620 like peter says

00:48:38.480 to our lord

00:48:38.980 lord to whom

00:48:39.820 shall we go

00:48:40.280 lord to whom

00:48:41.720 you do not go

00:48:42.340 away lord to

00:48:42.820 whom should we

00:48:43.200 go

00:48:43.420 last question

00:48:45.380 mr knowles

00:48:48.280 ryan from florida

00:48:49.020 i got a fun

00:48:49.460 question for you

00:48:50.300 if i could grant

00:48:51.480 you the ability

00:48:52.120 to travel through

00:48:52.980 time and witness

00:48:54.080 one historical

00:48:55.060 event where

00:48:56.480 you're a silent

00:48:57.300 observer and you

00:48:58.520 play no influence

00:48:59.460 in the event

00:49:00.060 what would you

00:49:00.780 pick to see

00:49:01.700 i think we all

00:49:03.340 know your

00:49:03.720 immediate answer

00:49:04.540 so i'm gonna

00:49:04.940 have to add

00:49:05.500 the caveat

00:49:06.120 of you cannot

00:49:07.520 go back and

00:49:08.480 witness christ

00:49:09.080 walking earth

00:49:09.940 death or his

00:49:10.980 resurrection so

00:49:12.720 besides that what

00:49:14.040 would you pick to

00:49:14.980 witness personally

00:49:15.800 thank you buddy

00:49:16.780 huh oh man

00:49:19.460 there's so many

00:49:20.200 things i i mean

00:49:21.540 well obviously i'd

00:49:22.180 like to go back to

00:49:22.820 when i arm wrestle

00:49:23.460 jacob and see all

00:49:24.400 the ways he was

00:49:24.880 cheating so that i

00:49:25.600 don't need to live

00:49:26.100 with that indignity

00:49:26.940 and shame further

00:49:28.720 back than that

00:49:29.580 probably the

00:49:31.480 apparition of our

00:49:32.440 lady guadalupe the

00:49:35.080 miraculous tilma with

00:49:36.420 this image of our

00:49:37.040 lady of guadalupe that

00:49:38.180 converted a million

00:49:38.960 people basically on

00:49:39.920 the spot millions

00:49:40.760 of people over

00:49:41.800 history kept the

00:49:43.020 americas solid for

00:49:44.300 the faith that that

00:49:46.760 would be a big that

00:49:47.420 would be up on the

00:49:47.980 list i'll have to

00:49:49.120 give it more thought

00:49:49.680 but that would be up

00:49:50.160 there okay well

00:49:50.820 fittingly it's

00:49:51.460 theology thursday the

00:49:52.640 rest of the show

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The Michael Knowles Show - May 15, 2025

Ep. 1736 - When Did Canadians Become Jihadis？

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