The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 1996 - BOMBSHELL REPORT： 250,000 Girls Abused By Muslim Gangs In The UK

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00:01:00.000 A quarter million British girls as young as 11 were systematically abused, tortured,

00:01:05.480 and trafficked by grooming gangs that were overwhelmingly Muslim and Pakistani for decades.

00:01:11.600 Some of the girls were forced to convert to Islam. Some of the girls were trafficked out

00:01:16.120 of the country. Some of the girls were murdered in front of the other victims.

00:01:20.940 Those are the findings of the Rape Gang Inquiry Report, a bombshell independent report published

00:01:27.120 just yesterday in the UK, the enormity of the abuse was far greater than previously acknowledged

00:01:33.220 orders of magnitude, more girls starting decades earlier. This makes even the most lurid allegations

00:01:42.020 about Jeffrey Epstein look like a criminal rounding error. And the reason people are so

00:01:48.100 shocked by the findings, the reason these facts took so long to come to light is because the

00:01:53.540 British government intentionally suppressed and in some cases even aided the criminals

00:01:59.080 for fear of being called racist and Islamophobic. According to the report, the current prime

00:02:06.400 minister of the UK, Keir Starmer, while director of public prosecutions, let some 13,000 suspected

00:02:13.340 rapists and pedophiles, vast majority of them Pakistani Muslims, off the hook with warning

00:02:19.200 letters. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. British politicians, police, and bureaucrats 1.00

00:02:26.820 sacrificed a quarter million of the UK's girls on the altar of multiculturalism and political

00:02:33.800 correctness. Now, we have an exclusive interview with Sammy Woodhouse, a survivor of the grooming

00:02:41.020 gangs and leader of the rape gang inquiry. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.

00:02:49.200 welcome back to the show we have a lot more to get to today as well vice president jd vance goes on

00:03:09.740 the view into enemy territory a whole lot more coming out about the iran deal one faction of

00:03:16.820 the American right absolutely apoplectic over it. The rest, I suspect the majority of the American

00:03:23.380 right feels a little bit differently. We'll get to what the details are, what's coming out.

00:03:27.360 Then also, Republicans on Capitol Hill going after the MLB for targeting Christians during

00:03:32.500 Pride Month. We'll get to all of that. First, though, the bombshell, I don't think I'm exaggerating

00:03:38.300 when I say earth-shaking international news, is this rape gang inquiry report coming out of the

00:03:44.060 UK. Because while it's about this colossal abuse that went on for decades in the UK,

00:03:50.260 there are echoes of this kind of abuse going on in Europe right now and in the United States.

00:03:54.680 So this is really providential how this interview came about. I was in the UK just a couple weeks

00:04:00.260 ago. I was supposed to sit down with Sammy Woodhouse, who is not only a survivor of the

00:04:05.660 Pakistani grooming gangs, but she is one of the most, maybe the most prominent leader of the

00:04:11.820 victims fighting back against this, one of the leaders of this rape gang inquiry report.

00:04:16.260 I was about to sit down with her in the UK for a long interview. And through a strange series of

00:04:22.160 events, mostly my producer blowing a fuse, getting us kicked out of our club, losing our set.

00:04:25.960 It was really, really crazy. Homeless in the UK for a few hours. We weren't able to do the

00:04:30.080 interview then. And I thought at the time, I said, you know what? This is totally out of our hands.

00:04:34.900 I trust God and his providence that this isn't, we aren't supposed to do the interview this way.

00:04:39.280 Okay. Well, oddly enough, coincidentally, providentially, we then schedule the interview

00:04:45.020 for when I'm back in the United States. And I sat down with Sammy just yesterday as this report is

00:04:53.040 coming out. So we have an exclusive interview. The real story of what happened with the grooming

00:04:58.760 gangs in the UK is so much worse than even the worst reports you have heard. Here is some of my

00:05:05.960 conversation with Sammy. For the people who don't understand what the stakes are, obviously this is

00:05:10.880 a very, very lengthy report. We can't get through all of it. But what are the highlights? I mean,

00:05:17.180 if you were to communicate with a Brit or a sympathetic American or European who just

00:05:23.580 doesn't understand the scope, the enormity of it, what are the big takeaways from the report?

00:05:28.860 Well, I would say to them that they are a minimum of 250,000 children that are being trafficked

00:05:35.040 around the United Kingdom from as early as the 1950s, usually from age of 11. They've been

00:05:41.460 groomed, abused, raped, tortured, trafficked, murdered, criminalised, impregnated, blamed. 0.67

00:05:47.220 The authorities turned a blind eye due to race and religion. Of course, the majority of the 0.78

00:05:52.860 perpetrators were Pakistani Muslim. There was children also as young as four years old that

00:05:58.840 were sold by their own mothers. Professionals turned a blind eye. They were directly involved

00:06:04.740 in the rapes. Children were raped by dogs. They were locked in cages. You know, the most horrific 0.90

00:06:12.960 of torture. But I think every single person, not just in the UK, but around the world needs to

00:06:19.120 read this part because I promise you right now, this is not just a problem for the United Kingdom.

00:06:24.020 It is a problem for different countries around the world. Exploitation of children happens

00:06:29.720 absolutely everywhere. What is it about the Pakistanis and the Muslims that inclines them 1.00

00:06:37.360 to do this? This was not a problem before mass migration to the UK. It's not that no crimes were

00:06:43.280 committed. It's not that no one was ever raped or murdered. Crimes happen everywhere. But nothing

00:06:48.420 like the scope of this was occurring. So what is it about their culture that inclines them to do

00:06:53.080 this? Well, they have pure hate for non-believers. And of course, I'm not saying everyone. Whenever

00:06:59.300 we talk about this subject we always have to say oh but not all muslims um you know we never have 0.79

00:07:05.080 to say that when we're talking about white offenders or christians do it it's only every 0.84

00:07:09.160 pakistani muslim men but um there is a hate towards um non-believers especially white women 0.98

00:07:17.600 or white females um as i said earlier i think that islam is a very violent and sexist religion 0.87

00:07:24.580 And when you read the report, you will see some of the things that they were saying to the children about their race, about the fact that they wasn't Muslim, and about their religion, because some of the children were Christians. 1.00

00:07:40.280 If you don't mind my asking, for those who haven't read the report yet, what would they say to them? I mean, to convey this contempt or disdain?

00:07:47.200 they would read scriptures from the quran there was one girl um i actually made a documentary

00:07:54.980 she was raped and they chucked curry powder over on eid and just to you know kind of talk about

00:08:02.740 this overall not not just about the report and there was also a case in scotland but this was

00:08:08.900 of a white gang and they would do ouija boards and they would call to lucifer and they would put

00:08:16.160 children in microwaves and freezers to kill them they they've actually been convicted they called

00:08:23.120 it the beastie house so that's um cases from scotland and we have covered uh cases in scotland 0.75

00:08:30.500 as well and some of that is in the report but there was also um a girl that was raped orally 0.68

00:08:37.940 vaginally and anally at the same time um you know people would say where's your god now

00:08:45.020 you know, when they're wearing a cross. There was also children that was forced to marry

00:08:50.800 these men and trafficked outside of the UK. So as I said, this is not something that's just

00:08:57.760 happening in the UK. They are being trafficked overseas. They are being forced to marry these

00:09:03.200 men. There was even social workers that came and acted as witnesses at these weddings.

00:09:08.980 yeah so are the social workers are the bureaucrats are the cops held to account

00:09:16.260 when they turned a blind eye or even cooperated with the gangs no there's never been a professional

00:09:24.380 held to account for you know the mass rape and torture of children in our country not one

00:09:31.280 it's absolutely shocking and that's something that we are going to try and fight but i think

00:09:37.160 When I speak to other survivors, they say, Sammy, we expect that of the rapists.

00:09:43.140 What we don't expect is this from our professionals, and they want and need accountability for what the professionals have done.

00:09:52.320 It seems to me that a story like this is so enormous.

00:09:56.900 I mean, the scale and the severity of it is so horrifying that from the most cynical political standpoint, you would have to say this is a dynamite election issue.

00:10:09.100 Anybody with even half an ounce of a conscience would be moved to anger and tears and to vote by this.

00:10:16.180 So all we need to do is get these facts out there, and we're going to win every election in the country.

00:10:19.820 the fact that that has not yet happened does that just mean that the demographics are so

00:10:25.740 shifted uh you know it basically is this a problem of convincing and getting the facts

00:10:32.380 out there and presenting people with the reality or is it just that there are already too many 1.00

00:10:36.620 pakistani muslims and you're not going to win the elections anyway i think that there's a lot 0.71

00:10:43.040 of people in this country i'm quite shocked just how uneducated people are in our country about 1.00

00:10:47.900 what's going on but they don't know you know what's been happening to to children and I think

00:10:53.620 a lot of people say oh my god no this is just too horrific this can't possibly be happening and

00:10:59.280 they're just in complete denial and I always say that the biggest challenge of this country is to

00:11:04.980 change the mindsets of people but you're not going to be able to change all those mindsets you know

00:11:10.880 we have damning amounts of evidence now in the public domain there's reports there's court cases

00:11:17.120 people are in prison for this and it's still not enough for some people it's child abuse it's as

00:11:23.560 simple as that but you know things like that didn't happen overnight that's been pushed for a very

00:11:27.920 very long time I think the sexualization has been pushed for a very long time you know you had

00:11:33.760 labor politicians trying to lower the age of consent in our country I do believe and for a

00:11:40.500 very long time again that they are trying to normal pedophilia. So this has been, as I say, 0.78

00:11:46.860 a very long time coming. I think they're going to continue to push it. I think people on the right,

00:11:52.140 you know, we need to push back and we need to do as much as we can because we are running out of

00:11:56.460 time. So much more to get to in my conversation with Sammy. I mean, some of the claims that you

00:12:02.800 heard a little bit of it there, some of the claims that she's making, it sounds like it's out of some

00:12:06.960 fevered pitch conspiracy theory. We've said over the last six, seven years, especially during

00:12:11.400 COVID, difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is about six months. This woman

00:12:15.840 saw it and she lived it and she has painstakingly detailed meticulous precision through this 200

00:12:24.300 plus page report. So we'll get to our full interview with Sammy. We're going to get that

00:12:29.200 up on the channels hopefully a little bit later today. We go on for 40, 45 minutes. So we'll get

00:12:34.940 to that. For now, though, there's a lot more to get to on Iran, on the vice president going out,

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00:14:07.860 insensitivity between the government, the ruling institutions, and the people, what the people

00:14:15.640 want. This constant prioritization of foreigners over citizens, of perpetrators over victims,

00:14:22.920 just seems like the culture is totally upside down. Major League Baseball got into a lot of

00:14:27.860 hot water the other night because Major League Baseball openly began discriminating against

00:14:33.460 Christians on behalf of the LGBT LMNOP lobby. This occurred because on Pride Night, MLB,

00:14:42.440 which I keep saying, MLB, it's not soccer. They don't have to be super gay. This is supposed to 0.88

00:14:49.520 be the more conservative American normal sports league. They're pushing pride on all of their

00:14:54.360 teams for Pride Month. So a few members of the Giants, especially a Giants pitcher, just write

00:15:00.900 a little biblical citation on the cap. That this crazy rainbow with the trans flag on the cap.

00:15:06.880 And all he does is write a little biblical citation from the book of Genesis. 0.99

00:15:10.360 And he and his teammates are given warnings, career warnings, professional warnings from

00:15:17.620 Major League Baseball. I mentioned this on the show yesterday. I said, look,

00:15:21.800 forget call your congressman, call Major League Baseball, tell them this is unacceptable,

00:15:26.180 and maybe call your congressman too. Maybe call your senator too. Well, I'm very happy to see

00:15:31.000 that Congress and the Senate are responding to this. Josh Hawley in Missouri, Senator Hawley,

00:15:36.820 writes a very lengthy letter to MLB to open an inquiry into this. Says, what does MLB think

00:15:41.340 it's doing penalizing players for their Christian faith? They owe us some answers right now. Let's

00:15:46.300 not forget, 30 years ago, 25 years ago, we had major congressional inquiries into the doping

00:15:52.780 scandal in Major League Baseball. Barry Bonds shooting himself up with steroids, his head

00:15:57.460 grows to four times its size. If Congress was willing to investigate Major League Baseball,

00:16:02.880 really bring them over the coals over doping, over HGH and testosterone, surely all the more so,

00:16:11.100 So Congress needs to be grilling Major League Baseball over what appears to be a violation

00:16:15.660 of the most basic constitutional right in the Bill of Rights, which is freedom of religion.

00:16:21.600 Hawley pushing back on them, the Missouri Attorney General coming out there says,

00:16:25.460 Missouri law prohibits discrimination based on religious beliefs.

00:16:28.480 My office is demanding that MLB not discriminate against players for their faith.

00:16:32.020 If MLB refuses to comply, we will take action.

00:16:34.660 So you're seeing action at the state level.

00:16:36.320 And then you see from Bishop Barron, our pal Bishop Barron, who writes from his role as a religious leader in the Episcopate, but also from his role on the Commission for Religious Liberty.

00:16:47.860 So Bishop Barron sits on a commission for religious liberty established by the administration, established by the federal government, saying looks like Major League Baseball has given the president's Religious Liberty Commission more work to do.

00:17:00.840 Really important.

00:17:01.580 So now you're getting attention from Capitol Hill.

00:17:03.860 You're getting attention from the state governments.

00:17:05.900 You're getting attention from religious leader, of course, a Catholic leader, and then also from the president's Religious Liberty Commission.

00:17:13.340 Really, really important.

00:17:14.720 MLB didn't just kind of lean a little bit too much in favor of the sexual revolutionaries on this issue.

00:17:22.840 Major League Baseball has fallen afoul of the U.S. Constitution, not to mention all Christians, not to mention all observant Jews, not to mention all practicing Muslims,

00:17:33.700 not to mention anybody who opposes a radical sexual ideology being foisted on kids. Let's 0.85

00:17:41.060 not forget, kids really like baseball. And Major League Baseball has effectively come out against

00:17:47.820 the Bible, the book of Genesis, not even just the Bible, the first book of the Bible.

00:17:53.540 Totally unacceptable. Who could defend Major League Baseball? I'll tell you.

00:17:57.980 Senator Scott Wiener, nomen est omen.

00:18:01.240 This is nominative determinism.

00:18:03.840 Scott Wiener, who is this California politician, he's most famous or infamous, I should say, 0.96

00:18:09.620 for changing the law to weaken punishments against grown men who rape little boys.

00:18:15.360 That's his crowning political achievement, Scott Wiener.

00:18:17.720 I'm not joking.

00:18:18.660 I'm not exaggerating.

00:18:19.620 Look it up. 0.97

00:18:20.140 His big raison d'etre in politics, his biggest cause that he's championed is reducing punishments for grown men who rape little boys. 0.98

00:18:30.360 No joke. 0.94

00:18:31.500 Scott Wiener, the mascot of the LGBT lavender mafia, comes out. 0.65

00:18:36.800 He issues this statement on Major League Baseball.

00:18:39.880 His problem is not that baseball punished the Giants, a few players, for quoting the Bible.

00:18:44.860 His complaint is they didn't punish him enough.

00:18:47.700 Scott Wiener writes,

00:18:49.700 On San Francisco Giants Pride Night, also the 10th anniversary of the Pulse nightclub massacre,

00:18:54.880 has absolutely nothing to do with this,

00:18:56.620 several players defaced their pride caps with a biblical passage

00:19:01.240 that has been hijacked by homophobes to take back the rainbow from LGBTQ people.

00:19:06.300 Just that phrase, just pause for a second, hold on.

00:19:09.820 That phrase tells you so much about our culture,

00:19:12.820 and it tells you exactly where people like Scott Wiener are coming from.

00:19:15.760 defaced their pride caps with a biblical passage, that the biblical passage would somehow deface

00:19:26.840 the sacred icon of the rainbow LGBT picture. That's what they're saying. He might as well

00:19:36.920 say desecrate. That's what he's getting at here. They desecrated the pride flag with the Bible.

00:19:42.460 that's what it is the pride flag is what is holy considered holy in the liberal secular culture

00:19:50.420 and when you bring the bible even a tiny little just a little tiny biblical citation

00:19:56.320 the bible is what defaces what desecrates the sacred pride flag according to freaks like

00:20:02.780 scott wiener but also the broader liberal culture also according to major league baseball

00:20:07.340 Major League Baseball, the executives, the suits in MLB agree with Scott Wiener, 0.99

00:20:12.100 who is a sick pervert. Not to be too blunt about it. He is a sick freak pervert who decided to 0.99

00:20:20.920 expend his political capital, who decided to make his rallying crusade, reducing punishments for 1.00

00:20:26.200 grown men who rape little boys. And MLB is on the side of this guy. And the liberal culture

00:20:31.840 is broadly on the side of this guy. He goes on. He says, these homophobes are using the Bible to

00:20:40.660 take back the rainbow from LGBTQ people. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Take back? It's not even

00:20:46.540 LGBTQ people. It's not the Cole Porters and the Noel Cowards of the world. It's not guys who are 1.00

00:20:51.140 a little bit different, a little bit, maybe a little aberrant, but they kind of keep it generally

00:20:55.400 to themselves. We're talking about a militant movement that seeks to stigmatize Christianity

00:21:02.500 and Judaism and Islam and any normal person and seeks to foist radical sexual ideology on

00:21:08.820 everybody, including kids. Did the LGBTQ movement invent the rainbow? Is the rainbow the symbol of 0.92

00:21:16.720 the LGBTQ movement? Not originally. I seem to recall the rainbow coming from nature,

00:21:23.120 which is created by God. And then also, it's symbolic content coming from the Bible,

00:21:28.820 coming from the book of Genesis, the very passage that the players were citing.

00:21:33.320 God establishes the rainbow, according to the book of Genesis,

00:21:35.740 as a sign of a covenant with man that he'll never again destroy the world in a flood. 0.91

00:21:40.780 It was the LGBTQ movement some millennia later who decided to appropriate that symbol from the 1.00

00:21:47.760 Bible and use it to a perverse and inverted intent. And now some Christians say, hey, 0.98

00:21:55.860 remember the original meaning? Let's just cite the Bible. Scott Wiener says, no, no,

00:21:59.760 you Christians don't get the Bible. Or sorry, you Christians don't get the rainbow. 0.97

00:22:03.520 Sorry, no, no, no. The rainbow belongs to us. He goes on. The Giants sadly took no action in

00:22:10.280 response. Maybe the Giants did. Major League Baseball certainly did. And they should be

00:22:15.180 dragged before Congress and punished as a result of it. The Giants sadly took no action in response,

00:22:21.140 which is inconsistent with the Giants' longstanding support for our LGBTQ community.

00:22:25.420 Major League Baseball warned the players the Giants should publicly commit to enforcing rules

00:22:29.500 around the uniform defacement and should not effectively create a homophobia exception to

00:22:33.820 those rules. Okay. Then he goes on, he attacks J.D. Vance. Everyone's attacking J.D. Vance

00:22:37.220 because he's doing too good a job. Josh Hawley, they're all attacking Josh Hawley because he's

00:22:41.000 doing too good a job. On and on and on. I'm not going to read this ridiculous screed in its

00:22:46.120 entirety. But the political import of this is that you can't have a Christian culture and a 1.00

00:22:54.200 pride culture simultaneously. You can't have it because of the law of non-contradiction. 0.83

00:22:58.160 They're mutually exclusive. A culture that embraces Christianity, even in America, 0.98

00:23:06.040 we have such a tradition of broad religious tolerance. We'll just say a culture that

00:23:09.760 embraces God in an even quasi-vaguely traditional understanding of God must necessarily exclude

00:23:20.480 pride. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. That's also from the Bible.

00:23:26.740 Pride is the queen of all vice. And as Andrew Klavan once pointed out, now it's the vice of

00:23:31.500 all queens. But it's the queen of all vice. It's the worst of the seven deadly sins. It is what

00:23:35.880 caused man to fall according to religion. So the culture that says, no, we're actually one nation

00:23:42.860 under God, this be our motto and God is our trust, a shiny city on a hill, the classic

00:23:49.620 American understanding that goes not just for 250 years of our country, but even further back to

00:23:53.780 our earliest settlers, that understanding cannot exalt pride. And likewise, in defense of the

00:24:01.140 radical LGBT people and the perverts in the MLB executive suite and Scott Weiner and all the rest 0.62

00:24:06.380 of them, a culture that exalts pride necessarily has to exclude Christianity and observant Judaism 0.83

00:24:13.120 and practicing Islam and all the rest of it. It has to exclude traditional religion of the 0.87

00:24:18.400 broadest stripes because it says, no, no, no, it's good. Weird sex stuff is really good. 0.92

00:24:23.820 Sexualizing kids is really good. Introducing them to various aberrations and deviancies 0.98

00:24:28.840 and perversions is good. We need to put this in the street. You can't have both. You can't

00:24:34.600 actually include everything. Everybody knows, every serious person knows this. Conservatives

00:24:39.500 know this and the leftists know this. I mean, think about Herbert Marcuse, the father of the

00:24:43.380 new left, Herbert Marcuse, in his famous essay, Liberating Tolerance. He says, we cannot tolerate

00:24:50.240 intolerance. We can't tolerate the things that oppose leftism. And so we need a censorship

00:24:56.080 of conservative ideology and conservative practices and traditions and religion in this

00:25:02.380 case. We have to repress all. So you got to pick. You can't, even many well-meaning conservatives 0.58

00:25:08.200 and centrists and whatever, disillusioned classical liberals, they want to include

00:25:12.240 everything. You can. You can live in a country that says, hey, we're not going to send the

00:25:16.620 Iranian purity police around. We'll get to Iran in a second. We're not going to send the purity 1.00

00:25:21.020 police around everyone's bedroom if you're doing some stuff that's a little weird. We're going to

00:25:25.440 have a kind of benign neglect. But you can't be doing the weird parades in public. And you

00:25:31.940 certainly cannot be silencing Christians and Jews and Muslims and normal people in public life. You

00:25:37.820 cannot do that. We are going to give a priority to good things over bad things. We're going to

00:25:42.600 give a priority to God over the weird desires of men. We're going to give a priority to tradition

00:25:48.840 and religion over weird, freaky ideology. You have to do that. There's no way around it. Or

00:25:54.420 you do the opposite. And then Christians aren't allowed to play baseball. Okay. Before we get to 0.87

00:25:59.820 the vice president and Iran, if you want to talk about enemy territory, forget about Iran. J.D.

00:26:05.920 Vance just went on The View. Before we talk about all of that, I want to talk to you about Pure

00:26:10.940 Talk. Go to puretalk.com slash Knowles. As America approaches its 250th anniversary, there's a lot

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00:27:25.180 Vice President J.D. Vance going on a book tour, a book tour which was just interrupted because he's

00:27:30.660 got to go overseas now for this memorandum of understanding to end the Iran war over the

00:27:36.440 consternation and fury of people who want this war to go on forever and want boots on the ground

00:27:40.920 in Tehran. J.D. Vance goes on to The View, not just to talk about Iran, to talk about his book.

00:27:49.160 J.D. Vance, I think, masterfully, masterfully handled the women on The View, which is as

00:27:54.280 hostile as it gets. He opens up the interview. He disarms them. He says, this is a show for

00:27:59.960 MAGA Republicans, right? You guys are all MAGA Republicans. And they can't help but kind of

00:28:03.540 laugh. Even Whoopi kind of laughs, makes a joke about it. But then they brought all the fire they

00:28:07.460 had to J.D. Vance. And watch how coolly he dismantles them. Color in your family. Sure.

00:28:15.460 So when you see the Emmett Till stuff coming down or them doing all kinds of removal of

00:28:25.460 information of black heroes, how does that sit with you? Well, what exactly are you talking

00:28:35.380 about whoopi because you just i know i can tell you all this yeah no no i i want to know what

00:28:41.300 she's you don't know what i'm talking about so in in a lot of the uh museums that just there's so

00:28:50.340 many i just i you know where they're taking down the actual history that happened in this country

00:28:57.620 slavery happened. All kinds of stuff happened. And it seems that it has been very easy for this

00:29:05.720 administration to remove that and also to denigrate black folks who have worked their

00:29:14.540 behinds off to get this American dream. This is something I really appreciate about

00:29:21.060 the vice president's approach here. One, he lets them talk. Not all politicians would do that.

00:29:27.620 and he lets them talk because he can credibly say that he is sincerely interested in understanding

00:29:34.680 their point, and he can credibly say he's interested in understanding their point

00:29:37.420 because J.D. was kind of a liberal. He grew up in a kind of culturally conservative environment,

00:29:42.760 but he was kind of a liberal. The whole book is about his religious conversion,

00:29:48.260 and he came to a kind of political conversion as well over time very thoughtfully. The guy came

00:29:53.520 from nothing and not a great education background. He soared to the heights of education and

00:29:59.580 institutions. And obviously now he's the vice president. So he's got this breadth of experience

00:30:04.980 that gives him that kind of credibility such that another politician, a kind of normal

00:30:10.520 conservative Republican politician would probably go on the view. It would be hostile from the

00:30:15.020 beginning. The minute Whoopi tees up this question is, what do you feel about the administration

00:30:19.040 of racing black history, that the Republican would come in hot and say, we're not a race in

00:30:24.320 history. You guys are a race in history. It was in 2020, I recall, that you guys were all pulling 0.51

00:30:28.160 down the statues and you're pushing a race war. And you guys, you have no idea what you're talking

00:30:32.620 about. He'd come in really, really hot and it would just be a shouting match. That's not Vance's

00:30:38.100 approach. Vance prefers to let his opponents rhetorically hang themselves with their own

00:30:45.280 rope. Notice that about it. She says, the euro race in black history. And he says, hold on,

00:30:52.560 what do you mean specifically? And you start to hear some boos from the audience,

00:30:57.220 but notice the women on The View don't boo him because they know it would look too unreasonable.

00:31:01.560 So, and he says, no, no, I just want to, I'm just trying to figure out, I want to make sure I'm

00:31:05.080 responding to your actual point and we're not just talking past each other. What do you mean?

00:31:10.660 what's just give me just one example one example of what you're talking about

00:31:16.940 and she can't do it there is nothing jd vance could have said to her that would be more

00:31:25.260 devastating for her argument than what she goes on to say herself which is she can't come up with

00:31:32.100 a single example and she's just sputtering she's but it's just i mean i mean what i'm talking about

00:31:36.420 is, it just seems, I mean, there's so many examples. How could I, I mean, I could, I mean,

00:31:41.180 with the end of history and then not end slavery. And she says nothing. And what is clear is she

00:31:48.060 doesn't even have one example, her whole thesis dismantled. And she does it herself. This is one

00:31:54.140 of the chief, chief rules of politics, politics 101. When your enemy is making a mistake, don't

00:31:59.700 interrupt. Let your enemy do the talking. I mean, this is, this, this is politics going back to

00:32:04.500 Socrates, okay, who in some ways invents Western politics, just goes around, asks people questions,

00:32:11.620 lets them tie themselves up in knots, and in so doing to come to the truth.

00:32:14.740 So she's got nothing there. Vance then responds to a very specific allegation that you hear

00:32:21.560 from the left constantly about Trump abusing children because of his border policies,

00:32:31.540 Trump, you know, ignoring migrants more generally, but specifically on children.

00:32:38.700 And Vance here responds substantively.

00:32:40.900 They've exhausted their tying themselves up in knots.

00:32:43.540 And listen to the way he responds.

00:32:45.980 Let me just say this.

00:32:47.300 Okay, so you talk about the children.

00:32:50.360 Here's what I'd say.

00:32:51.260 Do we know that during the last administration, we had tens of thousands of children who were

00:32:58.100 sex trafficked by the cartels who are brought into our country in profoundly dangerous and

00:33:03.640 predatory conditions. But here's the point. Unless you enforce the border, you invite that

00:33:09.920 kind of conduct. You think that our immigration policies are inhumane based on the reporting of

00:33:15.160 one person with a political bias. What I'm telling you is that it's inhumane to allow cartels to sex

00:33:21.800 traffic people across our border. And by the way, hold on. Bingo. Great, great way to handle this.

00:33:29.440 Because what he's demonstrating, this is the kind of tactic that you saw time and time again

00:33:35.420 from our pal Charlie Kirk, our pal meaning all of ours, and me and JD. JD was good friends with

00:33:42.160 Charlie. Charlie was a pal of mine for over 10 years. Charlie was really, really good at this,

00:33:46.620 where Charlie would not just try to totally smack the libs down with facts and logic. He would do

00:33:51.100 that. He would do that too. But he would make clear that he understood the other person's

00:33:58.340 point of view. He understood where the other person was coming from. He would try to give

00:34:01.600 the most charitable read of where the other person was coming from so that he could even 1.00

00:34:05.980 more effectively knock down their stupid points. It wasn't just charity for charity's sake. 0.99

00:34:11.120 You want to have charity. It's a very important theological virtue. Without it, we have nothing.

00:34:14.800 But it didn't just end there. It also had a political effect, which was that by not just

00:34:22.720 tearing down straw men, by giving your opponent the benefit of the debt, trying to figure out the

00:34:27.720 best version of the argument that your opponent is making, whether we're talking on the left,

00:34:31.380 whether we're talking on the right for that matter. By trying to do that, you can much

00:34:35.060 more effectively knock down the points that they're making. This is the political tactic

00:34:39.200 I prefer. I think this is the right way to do things. And probably that's in the minority in

00:34:45.340 politics and even on the right. But that's what he's doing here. And he's saying, no, no, hold

00:34:48.500 on. I'm not just going to say, we're not doing that. You're making this up. You have Trump

00:34:54.020 derangement syndrome. We're not doing that. He's saying, no, no, no. I understand why you are

00:34:58.400 concerned about the vulnerabilities of migrant children that are coming across the border.

00:35:03.700 Yeah, they are vulnerable. That is one of the reasons why we are trying to shut down the 1.00

00:35:08.980 border. And he could have gone on and he had more time. He could have gone on and said there was a

00:35:12.400 study from Fusion Amnesty International published in the Huffington Post 15 years ago showed that

00:35:16.300 60 to 80 percent of women and girls who cross the border illegally are raped and abused along the

00:35:19.720 way. So when you have an open border, whether it's under Obama, whether you're talking about

00:35:23.700 3 million people a year under Joe Biden, you are necessarily going to get huge numbers of women

00:35:28.080 and girls who are abused along the way. So if you don't want these people to be abused, the very

00:35:34.780 first thing you have to do is try to stop the source of their abuse. Wouldn't we all agree?

00:35:40.740 Wouldn't we all agree with that? And they don't really have much of an answer for it. Okay.

00:35:45.500 Then the vice president, as part of his book tour, takes on the issue that a lot of people

00:35:50.700 are debating right now, which is the Iran deal. And he goes into slightly hostile territory.

00:35:55.080 Obviously, the view is hostile from the left, but he goes onto Megyn Kelly's show.

00:35:59.820 And it's not that Megyn is hostile to JD personally or anything, but obviously she's

00:36:03.940 in a little bit of a tiff with the president right now. And the president has been very tough on

00:36:07.440 Meghan. Meghan has been very critical of the president. And JD makes this point, which is he

00:36:11.860 says, I'm going to go talk to basically anybody. I'm going to try to bring people together at a

00:36:16.260 time when all of the incentives, especially in the media, are to divide everybody apart into

00:36:20.020 ever smaller niche groups. Here, Vance gives a little bit of insight into the political coalition

00:36:25.420 and into the Iran deal, which I'll get to. Because a minority, but nevertheless, a vocal

00:36:30.340 minority of the conservative coalition is going apoplectic about the iran deal and i think it's

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00:37:05.760 This is from tfresh417 who says, that's Old Testament, is MLB anti-Semitic? 0.65

00:37:10.760 That's a great point because the way the MLB pro-LGBT pride discrimination has been characterized 0.67

00:37:21.980 is that it's anti-Christian.

00:37:23.100 It certainly is anti-Christian.

00:37:24.560 But notice the players weren't quoting the book of Acts. 0.83

00:37:28.240 They weren't quoting the letter to the Romans.

00:37:30.040 They were quoting the book of Genesis. 0.81

00:37:32.160 So that's anti-Semitic.

00:37:33.560 You might even call it Islamophobic for that matter.

00:37:36.260 MLB really stepping in it. 1.00

00:37:37.520 Good point.

00:37:37.940 Very good point.

00:37:38.520 Okay.

00:37:39.980 JD goes on Megyn Kelly's show to discuss not only the Iran deal, but the state of the

00:37:49.560 political coalition that elected President Trump.

00:37:53.800 Right now, we have a very good deal for the American people.

00:37:57.380 And importantly, we have a constituency right now that is saying that we're going to send boots on the ground.

00:38:02.640 They want Donald Trump to send hundreds of thousands of ground troops into Iran.

00:38:07.460 The best thing we need people, but we need people to be pushing back from inside the tent.

00:38:12.360 And then we're told, and I quote, those who speak ill of Mark Levin are not MAGA.

00:38:19.740 well the president as he does is pushing back at a criticism of yours that he thought was unfair

00:38:27.900 not just me i mean a lot of non-interventional but i talked to him last night and i said mr

00:38:31.940 president i'm gonna go on megan kelly's show and i'm gonna defend the administration's policies

00:38:34.980 absolutely i love that because again good tell him he engages he engages and he's gonna criticize

00:38:41.740 you when he agrees or disagrees i don't mind he's gonna say nice things about you when he agrees

00:38:45.800 with you. But that's what I actually love about the president is he's not he's not like viewing

00:38:50.080 these debates from the outside. He's participating in them himself. And again, Megan, the frustration

00:38:55.880 that I've had with, you know, the non interventionist side has been that the attitude seems to be we

00:39:02.640 disagree with the president on this policy. Look, we can have that debate, but fine. OK, you disagree

00:39:07.760 with the president on this particular policy. That doesn't mean you can give up on the entire

00:39:12.580 enterprise. I totally agree with this. I mean, this has been, preach, preach, Mr. Vice President.

00:39:19.460 This has been, this is always an issue with conservatives because to get a group of

00:39:23.780 conservatives together is like herding cats. That's why Speaker of the House for the GOP

00:39:27.080 is the worst job in politics. And that became especially, especially pronounced after Charlie

00:39:33.740 was murdered, especially pronounced because Charlie was extremely talented at many different

00:39:39.240 things, at debating, at fundraising, at all sorts of things, broadcasting. But his indispensable

00:39:45.960 skill was maintaining a coalition, keeping really toxic elements out, and then keeping together a

00:39:52.140 coalition of people that could be politically effective, including lots of prominent people

00:39:56.180 who all hate each other. It's not that the right, the prominent people on the right started to hate

00:40:01.700 each other after Charlie was murdered. A lot of them hated each other for a very long time. And

00:40:06.480 And what Charlie was able to do, if not singularly, at least better than basically anybody,

00:40:14.160 was to keep those people roughly playing nice and, more importantly, to keep their eyes on the prize.

00:40:19.480 Recognizing that in order to do anything in politics, you have to get people together,

00:40:24.320 point them at least issue by issue, generally in the right direction,

00:40:28.080 and not have people take their ball and go home.

00:40:31.960 And what Vance does here is really, really sharp and pretty courageous, I think.

00:40:36.480 is he's going to Meghan and she says, she's basically complaining that Trump

00:40:39.700 was attacking her and saying that, you know, you have to agree with Mark Levin in order to be part

00:40:44.380 of MAGA. And JD says, no, no, no, that's not exactly what he's saying. Mark Levin is fuming

00:40:48.640 now. I mean, Mark Levin has had steam coming out of his ears for the last five days against the

00:40:52.460 Trump administration because of the Iran deal, which we'll get to momentarily. But he says,

00:40:56.580 no, no, no, Meghan, he was pushing back at a criticism that you made of him that he thought

00:41:00.880 was unfair. That's what he was doing. And you should not take your ball and go home. And to

00:41:05.860 Megan's credit. She says, no, no, no, look, I can take criticism. I understand that. But

00:41:09.080 this is really, it's just very frustrating. And he said, yeah, yeah, I know. But you need to be

00:41:14.820 able to make your point and work through your differences and disagree with the president

00:41:18.700 sometimes. But all sides, not even, I can't even say both sides, all sides of conservatism

00:41:24.880 needs to be willing to do that within the context of keeping the team together to actually achieve

00:41:32.100 things because we'll all hang separately. Because if we start to just pry off, no, I'm angry that

00:41:37.700 we're going to war in Iran. No, I'm angry that we're stopping the war in Iran. No, I'm angry

00:41:41.380 about this, about tariffs. No, I'm angry about free trade. If we all just go home, then we're

00:41:45.900 all going to hang separately because the left is much more unified. In fact, Vance goes further,

00:41:50.440 I think makes a key point about that political coalition. A lot of people have been saying that

00:41:55.460 they feel blackmailed by the whole experience, you know, like I'm just out. And I have been

00:41:59.260 trying to make the point that, that you can't do that, right? You got to stay. But realistically,

00:42:04.060 as we, cause after these midterms are over. Sorry, this is like very important. I'm sorry

00:42:09.280 to interrupt, but so look, the coalition that made Donald Trump, the president of the United States

00:42:14.760 and JD Vance, the vice president of the United States, people have to remember this. It was

00:42:18.560 Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan. It was also Mark Levin. It was also a lot of people

00:42:26.200 like John Pottleritz, who want a more aggressive foreign policy. What I think is important,

00:42:30.380 I'm never going to say that John Pottleritz is not welcome in the Republican party. He is,

00:42:36.080 but just as he's disappointed right now, sometimes other people are going to be disappointed at other

00:42:40.420 times. You can't just quit politics because the leader of a country of 330 million people

00:42:47.640 makes a decision you disagree with. This is such a great key. And I think people have very,

00:42:52.960 very unfairly, maybe cynically, but maybe just ignorantly, been trying to project onto the

00:42:58.380 vice president or onto the secretary of state sometimes or other people in the Trump administration,

00:43:02.800 whatever their own hobby horses are. Saying, oh, J.D., he's an isolationist. Oh, J.D.,

00:43:08.360 he, I don't know, he hates the neocons or he doesn't want any foreign intervention at all

00:43:14.600 or this, that, or the other thing. You have J.D. Vance coming out here on Megyn Kelly's show saying,

00:43:18.800 hey, Mark Levin and John Podhoretz are welcome in the conservative movement.

00:43:23.140 But let's not overlook the fact that Trump was elected by a coalition that did in fact include

00:43:29.760 people like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson. Who knows? Maybe Tucker and the president are so

00:43:35.300 at odds now that they'll never come together again. That might well be the case. But it would

00:43:39.360 still remain true that the coalition that elected Trump in 2024 included people who hate Mark Levin

00:43:46.780 and John Pahoritz, and who are listening to Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly or Tucker or whoever.

00:43:52.060 That's a descriptive fact of the conservative coalition. And a lot of this is coming to a

00:43:57.660 head right now over this Iran deal. You're seeing people are really, really apoplectic about the

00:44:02.160 Iran deal. And this is an issue where I think, I hate to say I told you so, I have been so

00:44:09.200 perfectly vindicated on every single stage of the Iran conflict. It's crazy. It actually astounds 0.96

00:44:17.500 even me. I want a statue of Noel Stradamus put up in, I don't know, at least in my studio.

00:44:22.660 Because I said before the Iran intervention, I said, if I run the NSC, I'm opposed to this.

00:44:30.160 I think the strike is not prudent. As the bombs are dropping, I'm sitting here on the Daily Wire

00:44:34.880 stream as this kicks off and everybody's celebrating. They're talking about freedom

00:44:38.040 for the Persian people and whatever. And I said, you know, guys, had I been on the NSC,

00:44:42.100 I would have argued against this. Not because the Iranian regime doesn't deserve what it gets, 0.96

00:44:46.240 but because I don't think you're going to get regime change. I don't think that the

00:44:51.080 proportionality is totally right here. I don't think the goods to be achieved are necessarily

00:44:55.240 outweighing the costs that will be incurred. And you're seeing divergent interests. So I said this

00:45:02.820 throughout the Iran war, the U.S. and Israel were the two sides that went to war in Iran together.

00:45:09.400 And the U.S. and Israel have an alliance, longstanding alliance, and we have overlapping

00:45:13.580 interests in a lot of areas. But then we have divergent interests in some other areas. And it

00:45:17.920 was always the case that the longer this war carried on, you were going to see those interests

00:45:22.100 diverge. You're hearing this now from the Israeli government. This is not speculation on my part.

00:45:26.100 because it was the U.S. goal to totally destroy or at least very seriously set back Iran's nuclear

00:45:34.220 weapon. The U.S. takes it as a matter of grand strategy and national security that Iran cannot

00:45:38.280 have a nuclear weapon full stop. So Iran, it's not that Iran was close to getting a nuclear

00:45:42.340 weapon exactly. It's close that they were close to having a ballistics missiles program that would

00:45:47.340 get them to a point of immunity where they could break out and have a nuclear weapon. So U.S. said

00:45:51.920 that's unacceptable. We're going to stop that. It is in the U.S. interest to weaken Iran,

00:45:57.940 for instance, to destroy Iran's military, for instance, to destroy Iran's ballistic missiles,

00:46:02.300 for instance, to take out layers of the Iranian leadership even perhaps.

00:46:06.860 But that's basically where it stops. It is not necessarily in the U.S. interest to have regime

00:46:13.860 change in Iran if the costs of that are going to be another 10-year war where the regime that

00:46:18.420 replaces it might end up being worse than the one that we had in the first place. Look at Iraq.

00:46:22.840 Look at other places around the Middle East. And look at Afghanistan. After 20 years,

00:46:25.900 we just give the keys back to the people that we deposed in the first place. 0.92

00:46:30.640 If I were Israeli, the other belligerent in this war, I would want regime change. I would see 0.99

00:46:36.220 collapsing support in the United States for the state of Israel. I would see this is basically

00:46:39.180 the last shot for the global hegemon, which is the global protector of the state of Israel.

00:46:42.980 I would see this as the last shot to have regime change in Iran because the regime

00:46:46.220 does in fact pose an existential threat to the state of Israel. But that's not the same calculation

00:46:51.140 as we have in the United States. And furthermore, there is no political appetite in the United

00:46:55.140 States on either side of the aisle for a protracted war, for a ground invasion of Iran,

00:46:59.620 for the things that are necessary for regime change. So I knew from the beginning, and I 0.69

00:47:04.920 said it ad nauseum, I said, what you're going to get is either a deal that everyone's unsatisfied 0.64

00:47:09.440 with, or you're going to get escalation and a ground invasion of Iran for regime change,

00:47:14.260 which there's no appetite for, which is politically actually impossible and probably not even a great

00:47:19.200 idea if you could do it. So that was always the way this was going to end. And obviously the

00:47:24.720 people who are most apoplectic about this deal are the people for whom supporting the state of

00:47:30.620 Israel is one of the more important issues, if not the most important issue. Of course,

00:47:35.700 it was ever thus. Nevertheless, I guess my question for people who are upset about the

00:47:41.860 Iran deal is. What's the alternative? One, what is the American interest in not ending this war?

00:47:50.220 I'm listening to all of these people who are apoplectic. I don't hear a good answer.

00:47:54.680 Well, what about the freedom of the Persian people? Excuse me, is that the chief interest

00:47:57.980 of the United States, the supposed freedom of the Persian people? Where are the Persian people?

00:48:00.960 They had the chance to overthrow their regime. They didn't do it. Well, what about democracy

00:48:06.040 around the world? Excuse me, that's the chief interest of the United States. We're going to

00:48:08.640 blow up every government in the world for democracy? Well, what about the total annihilation

00:48:13.580 of Hezbollah? Look, I don't like Hezbollah. I'd like to weaken Hezbollah, but it's a chief

00:48:18.320 matter of grand strategy for the United States to totally obliterate Hezbollah. 0.91

00:48:23.120 Every militant group around the world, is that what we're going to do? No. 0.85

00:48:26.760 What is it? What is it? 20% of the world's oil and gas supply is totally choked off

00:48:32.860 for how long? With petrochemicals, with fertilizer, with all the rest. You've got

00:48:37.220 American other allies in the region who are having their countries attacked by Iran the longer this

00:48:41.640 goes on, committing the United States to a ground invasion or a regime change? How is that in the

00:48:47.340 interest of the United States? What's the alternative? And notice they won't give you

00:48:50.840 the alternative to the peace deal. Well, let's just maintain the blockade forever. We're going

00:48:55.180 to choke off 20% of the world's oil forever. How is that sustainable? You can't do that.

00:49:00.660 Then the Republicans will lose everything. The United States will be severely weakened. We're

00:49:04.260 at the lowest level for our strategic oil reserves ever since we've had the strategic

00:49:08.400 petroleum reserve. That's not an option. But I think the part they're not saying is what they

00:49:13.740 wanted is to escalate the war for regime change, for an occupation, for democratic elections and

00:49:19.780 election overseers paid for and supervised by the United States government. Basically the same

00:49:24.100 thing that happened in Iraq. But what's, fine, yes, the MOU is unsatisfying. Of course, it was

00:49:30.860 always going to be unsatisfying. My question for the people who are apoplectic is, what was the

00:49:36.340 alternative? And notice, what was the alternative and what was the chief American interest there?

00:49:41.460 They don't have any answer for it. They don't have any answer for it. And so then the question

00:49:45.540 becomes, are you going to maintain the political coalition or not? We are now in a world in which

00:49:51.260 Donald Trump has irritated over the course of three or four weeks,

00:49:55.080 Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson and John Podhoretz and Mark Levin. Some would say that's a terrible

00:50:02.840 sign. To me, what that says is Trump is his own man. He is doing what he thinks is right in his

00:50:08.280 judgment. And he is not beholden to one faction or another faction or anything like that. He is

00:50:14.720 his own man. He's the best foreign policy president of my lifetime. And he's trying to win. He's

00:50:20.860 trying to rack up wins, which conservatives don't seem all that interested in doing.

00:50:24.160 Okay. Today's work from home Wednesday. We do have an assignment today that I sort of assigned

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The Michael Knowles Show - June 17, 2026

Ep. 1996 - BOMBSHELL REPORT： 250,000 Girls Abused By Muslim Gangs In The UK

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