Ep. 1996 - BOMBSHELL REPORT： 250,000 Girls Abused By Muslim Gangs In The UK
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An exclusive interview with Sammy Woodhouse, a survivor of the grooming gangs and leader of the rape gang inquiry in the UK, about the scale of the abuse, and how the British government covered up the crimes for decades.
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A quarter million British girls as young as 11 were systematically abused, tortured,
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and trafficked by grooming gangs that were overwhelmingly Muslim and Pakistani for decades.
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Some of the girls were forced to convert to Islam. Some of the girls were trafficked out
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of the country. Some of the girls were murdered in front of the other victims.
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Those are the findings of the Rape Gang Inquiry Report, a bombshell independent report published
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just yesterday in the UK, the enormity of the abuse was far greater than previously acknowledged
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orders of magnitude, more girls starting decades earlier. This makes even the most lurid allegations
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about Jeffrey Epstein look like a criminal rounding error. And the reason people are so
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shocked by the findings, the reason these facts took so long to come to light is because the
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British government intentionally suppressed and in some cases even aided the criminals
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for fear of being called racist and Islamophobic. According to the report, the current prime
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minister of the UK, Keir Starmer, while director of public prosecutions, let some 13,000 suspected
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rapists and pedophiles, vast majority of them Pakistani Muslims, off the hook with warning
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letters. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. British politicians, police, and bureaucrats
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sacrificed a quarter million of the UK's girls on the altar of multiculturalism and political
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correctness. Now, we have an exclusive interview with Sammy Woodhouse, a survivor of the grooming
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gangs and leader of the rape gang inquiry. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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welcome back to the show we have a lot more to get to today as well vice president jd vance goes on
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the view into enemy territory a whole lot more coming out about the iran deal one faction of
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the American right absolutely apoplectic over it. The rest, I suspect the majority of the American
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right feels a little bit differently. We'll get to what the details are, what's coming out.
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Then also, Republicans on Capitol Hill going after the MLB for targeting Christians during
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Pride Month. We'll get to all of that. First, though, the bombshell, I don't think I'm exaggerating
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when I say earth-shaking international news, is this rape gang inquiry report coming out of the
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UK. Because while it's about this colossal abuse that went on for decades in the UK,
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there are echoes of this kind of abuse going on in Europe right now and in the United States.
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So this is really providential how this interview came about. I was in the UK just a couple weeks
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ago. I was supposed to sit down with Sammy Woodhouse, who is not only a survivor of the
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Pakistani grooming gangs, but she is one of the most, maybe the most prominent leader of the
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victims fighting back against this, one of the leaders of this rape gang inquiry report.
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I was about to sit down with her in the UK for a long interview. And through a strange series of
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events, mostly my producer blowing a fuse, getting us kicked out of our club, losing our set.
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It was really, really crazy. Homeless in the UK for a few hours. We weren't able to do the
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interview then. And I thought at the time, I said, you know what? This is totally out of our hands.
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I trust God and his providence that this isn't, we aren't supposed to do the interview this way.
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Okay. Well, oddly enough, coincidentally, providentially, we then schedule the interview
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for when I'm back in the United States. And I sat down with Sammy just yesterday as this report is
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coming out. So we have an exclusive interview. The real story of what happened with the grooming
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gangs in the UK is so much worse than even the worst reports you have heard. Here is some of my
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conversation with Sammy. For the people who don't understand what the stakes are, obviously this is
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a very, very lengthy report. We can't get through all of it. But what are the highlights? I mean,
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if you were to communicate with a Brit or a sympathetic American or European who just
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doesn't understand the scope, the enormity of it, what are the big takeaways from the report?
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Well, I would say to them that they are a minimum of 250,000 children that are being trafficked
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around the United Kingdom from as early as the 1950s, usually from age of 11. They've been
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groomed, abused, raped, tortured, trafficked, murdered, criminalised, impregnated, blamed.
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The authorities turned a blind eye due to race and religion. Of course, the majority of the
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perpetrators were Pakistani Muslim. There was children also as young as four years old that
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were sold by their own mothers. Professionals turned a blind eye. They were directly involved
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in the rapes. Children were raped by dogs. They were locked in cages. You know, the most horrific
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of torture. But I think every single person, not just in the UK, but around the world needs to
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read this part because I promise you right now, this is not just a problem for the United Kingdom.
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It is a problem for different countries around the world. Exploitation of children happens
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absolutely everywhere. What is it about the Pakistanis and the Muslims that inclines them
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to do this? This was not a problem before mass migration to the UK. It's not that no crimes were
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committed. It's not that no one was ever raped or murdered. Crimes happen everywhere. But nothing
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like the scope of this was occurring. So what is it about their culture that inclines them to do
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this? Well, they have pure hate for non-believers. And of course, I'm not saying everyone. Whenever
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we talk about this subject we always have to say oh but not all muslims um you know we never have
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to say that when we're talking about white offenders or christians do it it's only every
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pakistani muslim men but um there is a hate towards um non-believers especially white women
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or white females um as i said earlier i think that islam is a very violent and sexist religion
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And when you read the report, you will see some of the things that they were saying to the children about their race, about the fact that they wasn't Muslim, and about their religion, because some of the children were Christians.
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If you don't mind my asking, for those who haven't read the report yet, what would they say to them? I mean, to convey this contempt or disdain?
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they would read scriptures from the quran there was one girl um i actually made a documentary
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she was raped and they chucked curry powder over on eid and just to you know kind of talk about
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this overall not not just about the report and there was also a case in scotland but this was
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of a white gang and they would do ouija boards and they would call to lucifer and they would put
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children in microwaves and freezers to kill them they they've actually been convicted they called
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it the beastie house so that's um cases from scotland and we have covered uh cases in scotland
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as well and some of that is in the report but there was also um a girl that was raped orally
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vaginally and anally at the same time um you know people would say where's your god now
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you know, when they're wearing a cross. There was also children that was forced to marry
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these men and trafficked outside of the UK. So as I said, this is not something that's just
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happening in the UK. They are being trafficked overseas. They are being forced to marry these
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men. There was even social workers that came and acted as witnesses at these weddings.
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yeah so are the social workers are the bureaucrats are the cops held to account
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when they turned a blind eye or even cooperated with the gangs no there's never been a professional
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held to account for you know the mass rape and torture of children in our country not one
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it's absolutely shocking and that's something that we are going to try and fight but i think
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When I speak to other survivors, they say, Sammy, we expect that of the rapists.
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What we don't expect is this from our professionals, and they want and need accountability for what the professionals have done.
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It seems to me that a story like this is so enormous.
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I mean, the scale and the severity of it is so horrifying that from the most cynical political standpoint, you would have to say this is a dynamite election issue.
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Anybody with even half an ounce of a conscience would be moved to anger and tears and to vote by this.
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So all we need to do is get these facts out there, and we're going to win every election in the country.
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the fact that that has not yet happened does that just mean that the demographics are so
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shifted uh you know it basically is this a problem of convincing and getting the facts
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out there and presenting people with the reality or is it just that there are already too many
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pakistani muslims and you're not going to win the elections anyway i think that there's a lot
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of people in this country i'm quite shocked just how uneducated people are in our country about
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what's going on but they don't know you know what's been happening to to children and I think
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a lot of people say oh my god no this is just too horrific this can't possibly be happening and
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they're just in complete denial and I always say that the biggest challenge of this country is to
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change the mindsets of people but you're not going to be able to change all those mindsets you know
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we have damning amounts of evidence now in the public domain there's reports there's court cases
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people are in prison for this and it's still not enough for some people it's child abuse it's as
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simple as that but you know things like that didn't happen overnight that's been pushed for a very
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very long time I think the sexualization has been pushed for a very long time you know you had
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labor politicians trying to lower the age of consent in our country I do believe and for a
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very long time again that they are trying to normal pedophilia. So this has been, as I say,
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a very long time coming. I think they're going to continue to push it. I think people on the right,
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you know, we need to push back and we need to do as much as we can because we are running out of
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time. So much more to get to in my conversation with Sammy. I mean, some of the claims that you
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heard a little bit of it there, some of the claims that she's making, it sounds like it's out of some
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fevered pitch conspiracy theory. We've said over the last six, seven years, especially during
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COVID, difference between a conspiracy theory and the truth is about six months. This woman
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saw it and she lived it and she has painstakingly detailed meticulous precision through this 200
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plus page report. So we'll get to our full interview with Sammy. We're going to get that
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up on the channels hopefully a little bit later today. We go on for 40, 45 minutes. So we'll get
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insensitivity between the government, the ruling institutions, and the people, what the people
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want. This constant prioritization of foreigners over citizens, of perpetrators over victims,
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just seems like the culture is totally upside down. Major League Baseball got into a lot of
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hot water the other night because Major League Baseball openly began discriminating against
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Christians on behalf of the LGBT LMNOP lobby. This occurred because on Pride Night, MLB,
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which I keep saying, MLB, it's not soccer. They don't have to be super gay. This is supposed to
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be the more conservative American normal sports league. They're pushing pride on all of their
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teams for Pride Month. So a few members of the Giants, especially a Giants pitcher, just write
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a little biblical citation on the cap. That this crazy rainbow with the trans flag on the cap.
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And all he does is write a little biblical citation from the book of Genesis.
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And he and his teammates are given warnings, career warnings, professional warnings from
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Major League Baseball. I mentioned this on the show yesterday. I said, look,
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forget call your congressman, call Major League Baseball, tell them this is unacceptable,
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and maybe call your congressman too. Maybe call your senator too. Well, I'm very happy to see
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that Congress and the Senate are responding to this. Josh Hawley in Missouri, Senator Hawley,
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writes a very lengthy letter to MLB to open an inquiry into this. Says, what does MLB think
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it's doing penalizing players for their Christian faith? They owe us some answers right now. Let's
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not forget, 30 years ago, 25 years ago, we had major congressional inquiries into the doping
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scandal in Major League Baseball. Barry Bonds shooting himself up with steroids, his head
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grows to four times its size. If Congress was willing to investigate Major League Baseball,
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really bring them over the coals over doping, over HGH and testosterone, surely all the more so,
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So Congress needs to be grilling Major League Baseball over what appears to be a violation
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of the most basic constitutional right in the Bill of Rights, which is freedom of religion.
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Hawley pushing back on them, the Missouri Attorney General coming out there says,
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Missouri law prohibits discrimination based on religious beliefs.
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My office is demanding that MLB not discriminate against players for their faith.
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And then you see from Bishop Barron, our pal Bishop Barron, who writes from his role as a religious leader in the Episcopate, but also from his role on the Commission for Religious Liberty.
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So Bishop Barron sits on a commission for religious liberty established by the administration, established by the federal government, saying looks like Major League Baseball has given the president's Religious Liberty Commission more work to do.
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So now you're getting attention from Capitol Hill.
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You're getting attention from the state governments.
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You're getting attention from religious leader, of course, a Catholic leader, and then also from the president's Religious Liberty Commission.
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MLB didn't just kind of lean a little bit too much in favor of the sexual revolutionaries on this issue.
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Major League Baseball has fallen afoul of the U.S. Constitution, not to mention all Christians, not to mention all observant Jews, not to mention all practicing Muslims,
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not to mention anybody who opposes a radical sexual ideology being foisted on kids. Let's
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not forget, kids really like baseball. And Major League Baseball has effectively come out against
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the Bible, the book of Genesis, not even just the Bible, the first book of the Bible.
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Totally unacceptable. Who could defend Major League Baseball? I'll tell you.
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Scott Wiener, who is this California politician, he's most famous or infamous, I should say,
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for changing the law to weaken punishments against grown men who rape little boys.
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That's his crowning political achievement, Scott Wiener.
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His big raison d'etre in politics, his biggest cause that he's championed is reducing punishments for grown men who rape little boys.
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Scott Wiener, the mascot of the LGBT lavender mafia, comes out.
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He issues this statement on Major League Baseball.
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His problem is not that baseball punished the Giants, a few players, for quoting the Bible.
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His complaint is they didn't punish him enough.
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On San Francisco Giants Pride Night, also the 10th anniversary of the Pulse nightclub massacre,
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several players defaced their pride caps with a biblical passage
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that has been hijacked by homophobes to take back the rainbow from LGBTQ people.
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Just that phrase, just pause for a second, hold on.
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That phrase tells you so much about our culture,
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and it tells you exactly where people like Scott Wiener are coming from.
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defaced their pride caps with a biblical passage, that the biblical passage would somehow deface
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the sacred icon of the rainbow LGBT picture. That's what they're saying. He might as well
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say desecrate. That's what he's getting at here. They desecrated the pride flag with the Bible.
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that's what it is the pride flag is what is holy considered holy in the liberal secular culture
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and when you bring the bible even a tiny little just a little tiny biblical citation
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the bible is what defaces what desecrates the sacred pride flag according to freaks like
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scott wiener but also the broader liberal culture also according to major league baseball
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Major League Baseball, the executives, the suits in MLB agree with Scott Wiener,
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who is a sick pervert. Not to be too blunt about it. He is a sick freak pervert who decided to
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expend his political capital, who decided to make his rallying crusade, reducing punishments for
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grown men who rape little boys. And MLB is on the side of this guy. And the liberal culture
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is broadly on the side of this guy. He goes on. He says, these homophobes are using the Bible to
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take back the rainbow from LGBTQ people. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Take back? It's not even
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LGBTQ people. It's not the Cole Porters and the Noel Cowards of the world. It's not guys who are
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a little bit different, a little bit, maybe a little aberrant, but they kind of keep it generally
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to themselves. We're talking about a militant movement that seeks to stigmatize Christianity
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and Judaism and Islam and any normal person and seeks to foist radical sexual ideology on
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everybody, including kids. Did the LGBTQ movement invent the rainbow? Is the rainbow the symbol of
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the LGBTQ movement? Not originally. I seem to recall the rainbow coming from nature,
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which is created by God. And then also, it's symbolic content coming from the Bible,
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coming from the book of Genesis, the very passage that the players were citing.
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God establishes the rainbow, according to the book of Genesis,
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as a sign of a covenant with man that he'll never again destroy the world in a flood.
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It was the LGBTQ movement some millennia later who decided to appropriate that symbol from the
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Bible and use it to a perverse and inverted intent. And now some Christians say, hey,
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remember the original meaning? Let's just cite the Bible. Scott Wiener says, no, no,
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you Christians don't get the Bible. Or sorry, you Christians don't get the rainbow.
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Sorry, no, no, no. The rainbow belongs to us. He goes on. The Giants sadly took no action in
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response. Maybe the Giants did. Major League Baseball certainly did. And they should be
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dragged before Congress and punished as a result of it. The Giants sadly took no action in response,
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which is inconsistent with the Giants' longstanding support for our LGBTQ community.
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Major League Baseball warned the players the Giants should publicly commit to enforcing rules
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around the uniform defacement and should not effectively create a homophobia exception to
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those rules. Okay. Then he goes on, he attacks J.D. Vance. Everyone's attacking J.D. Vance
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because he's doing too good a job. Josh Hawley, they're all attacking Josh Hawley because he's
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doing too good a job. On and on and on. I'm not going to read this ridiculous screed in its
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entirety. But the political import of this is that you can't have a Christian culture and a
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pride culture simultaneously. You can't have it because of the law of non-contradiction.
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They're mutually exclusive. A culture that embraces Christianity, even in America,
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we have such a tradition of broad religious tolerance. We'll just say a culture that
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embraces God in an even quasi-vaguely traditional understanding of God must necessarily exclude
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pride. Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall. That's also from the Bible.
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Pride is the queen of all vice. And as Andrew Klavan once pointed out, now it's the vice of
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all queens. But it's the queen of all vice. It's the worst of the seven deadly sins. It is what
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caused man to fall according to religion. So the culture that says, no, we're actually one nation
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under God, this be our motto and God is our trust, a shiny city on a hill, the classic
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American understanding that goes not just for 250 years of our country, but even further back to
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our earliest settlers, that understanding cannot exalt pride. And likewise, in defense of the
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radical LGBT people and the perverts in the MLB executive suite and Scott Weiner and all the rest
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of them, a culture that exalts pride necessarily has to exclude Christianity and observant Judaism
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and practicing Islam and all the rest of it. It has to exclude traditional religion of the
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broadest stripes because it says, no, no, no, it's good. Weird sex stuff is really good.
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Sexualizing kids is really good. Introducing them to various aberrations and deviancies
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and perversions is good. We need to put this in the street. You can't have both. You can't
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actually include everything. Everybody knows, every serious person knows this. Conservatives
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know this and the leftists know this. I mean, think about Herbert Marcuse, the father of the
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new left, Herbert Marcuse, in his famous essay, Liberating Tolerance. He says, we cannot tolerate
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intolerance. We can't tolerate the things that oppose leftism. And so we need a censorship
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of conservative ideology and conservative practices and traditions and religion in this
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case. We have to repress all. So you got to pick. You can't, even many well-meaning conservatives
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and centrists and whatever, disillusioned classical liberals, they want to include
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everything. You can. You can live in a country that says, hey, we're not going to send the
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Iranian purity police around. We'll get to Iran in a second. We're not going to send the purity
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police around everyone's bedroom if you're doing some stuff that's a little weird. We're going to
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have a kind of benign neglect. But you can't be doing the weird parades in public. And you
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certainly cannot be silencing Christians and Jews and Muslims and normal people in public life. You
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cannot do that. We are going to give a priority to good things over bad things. We're going to
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give a priority to God over the weird desires of men. We're going to give a priority to tradition
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and religion over weird, freaky ideology. You have to do that. There's no way around it. Or
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you do the opposite. And then Christians aren't allowed to play baseball. Okay. Before we get to
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Vice President J.D. Vance going on a book tour, a book tour which was just interrupted because he's
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got to go overseas now for this memorandum of understanding to end the Iran war over the
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consternation and fury of people who want this war to go on forever and want boots on the ground
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in Tehran. J.D. Vance goes on to The View, not just to talk about Iran, to talk about his book.
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J.D. Vance, I think, masterfully, masterfully handled the women on The View, which is as
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hostile as it gets. He opens up the interview. He disarms them. He says, this is a show for
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MAGA Republicans, right? You guys are all MAGA Republicans. And they can't help but kind of
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laugh. Even Whoopi kind of laughs, makes a joke about it. But then they brought all the fire they
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had to J.D. Vance. And watch how coolly he dismantles them. Color in your family. Sure.
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So when you see the Emmett Till stuff coming down or them doing all kinds of removal of
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information of black heroes, how does that sit with you? Well, what exactly are you talking
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about whoopi because you just i know i can tell you all this yeah no no i i want to know what
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she's you don't know what i'm talking about so in in a lot of the uh museums that just there's so
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many i just i you know where they're taking down the actual history that happened in this country
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slavery happened. All kinds of stuff happened. And it seems that it has been very easy for this
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administration to remove that and also to denigrate black folks who have worked their
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behinds off to get this American dream. This is something I really appreciate about
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the vice president's approach here. One, he lets them talk. Not all politicians would do that.
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and he lets them talk because he can credibly say that he is sincerely interested in understanding
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their point, and he can credibly say he's interested in understanding their point
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because J.D. was kind of a liberal. He grew up in a kind of culturally conservative environment,
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but he was kind of a liberal. The whole book is about his religious conversion,
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and he came to a kind of political conversion as well over time very thoughtfully. The guy came
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from nothing and not a great education background. He soared to the heights of education and
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institutions. And obviously now he's the vice president. So he's got this breadth of experience
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that gives him that kind of credibility such that another politician, a kind of normal
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conservative Republican politician would probably go on the view. It would be hostile from the
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beginning. The minute Whoopi tees up this question is, what do you feel about the administration
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of racing black history, that the Republican would come in hot and say, we're not a race in
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history. You guys are a race in history. It was in 2020, I recall, that you guys were all pulling
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down the statues and you're pushing a race war. And you guys, you have no idea what you're talking
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about. He'd come in really, really hot and it would just be a shouting match. That's not Vance's
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approach. Vance prefers to let his opponents rhetorically hang themselves with their own
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rope. Notice that about it. She says, the euro race in black history. And he says, hold on,
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what do you mean specifically? And you start to hear some boos from the audience,
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but notice the women on The View don't boo him because they know it would look too unreasonable.
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So, and he says, no, no, I just want to, I'm just trying to figure out, I want to make sure I'm
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responding to your actual point and we're not just talking past each other. What do you mean?
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what's just give me just one example one example of what you're talking about
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and she can't do it there is nothing jd vance could have said to her that would be more
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devastating for her argument than what she goes on to say herself which is she can't come up with
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a single example and she's just sputtering she's but it's just i mean i mean what i'm talking about
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is, it just seems, I mean, there's so many examples. How could I, I mean, I could, I mean,
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with the end of history and then not end slavery. And she says nothing. And what is clear is she
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doesn't even have one example, her whole thesis dismantled. And she does it herself. This is one
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of the chief, chief rules of politics, politics 101. When your enemy is making a mistake, don't
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interrupt. Let your enemy do the talking. I mean, this is, this, this is politics going back to
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Socrates, okay, who in some ways invents Western politics, just goes around, asks people questions,
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lets them tie themselves up in knots, and in so doing to come to the truth.
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So she's got nothing there. Vance then responds to a very specific allegation that you hear
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from the left constantly about Trump abusing children because of his border policies,
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Trump, you know, ignoring migrants more generally, but specifically on children.
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They've exhausted their tying themselves up in knots.
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Do we know that during the last administration, we had tens of thousands of children who were
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sex trafficked by the cartels who are brought into our country in profoundly dangerous and
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predatory conditions. But here's the point. Unless you enforce the border, you invite that
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kind of conduct. You think that our immigration policies are inhumane based on the reporting of
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one person with a political bias. What I'm telling you is that it's inhumane to allow cartels to sex
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traffic people across our border. And by the way, hold on. Bingo. Great, great way to handle this.
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Because what he's demonstrating, this is the kind of tactic that you saw time and time again
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from our pal Charlie Kirk, our pal meaning all of ours, and me and JD. JD was good friends with
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Charlie. Charlie was a pal of mine for over 10 years. Charlie was really, really good at this,
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where Charlie would not just try to totally smack the libs down with facts and logic. He would do
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that. He would do that too. But he would make clear that he understood the other person's
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point of view. He understood where the other person was coming from. He would try to give
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the most charitable read of where the other person was coming from so that he could even
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more effectively knock down their stupid points. It wasn't just charity for charity's sake.
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You want to have charity. It's a very important theological virtue. Without it, we have nothing.
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But it didn't just end there. It also had a political effect, which was that by not just
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tearing down straw men, by giving your opponent the benefit of the debt, trying to figure out the
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best version of the argument that your opponent is making, whether we're talking on the left,
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whether we're talking on the right for that matter. By trying to do that, you can much
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more effectively knock down the points that they're making. This is the political tactic
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I prefer. I think this is the right way to do things. And probably that's in the minority in
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politics and even on the right. But that's what he's doing here. And he's saying, no, no, hold
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on. I'm not just going to say, we're not doing that. You're making this up. You have Trump
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derangement syndrome. We're not doing that. He's saying, no, no, no. I understand why you are
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concerned about the vulnerabilities of migrant children that are coming across the border.
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Yeah, they are vulnerable. That is one of the reasons why we are trying to shut down the
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border. And he could have gone on and he had more time. He could have gone on and said there was a
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study from Fusion Amnesty International published in the Huffington Post 15 years ago showed that
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60 to 80 percent of women and girls who cross the border illegally are raped and abused along the
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way. So when you have an open border, whether it's under Obama, whether you're talking about
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3 million people a year under Joe Biden, you are necessarily going to get huge numbers of women
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and girls who are abused along the way. So if you don't want these people to be abused, the very
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first thing you have to do is try to stop the source of their abuse. Wouldn't we all agree?
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Wouldn't we all agree with that? And they don't really have much of an answer for it. Okay.
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Then the vice president, as part of his book tour, takes on the issue that a lot of people
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are debating right now, which is the Iran deal. And he goes into slightly hostile territory.
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Obviously, the view is hostile from the left, but he goes onto Megyn Kelly's show.
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And it's not that Megyn is hostile to JD personally or anything, but obviously she's
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in a little bit of a tiff with the president right now. And the president has been very tough on
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Meghan. Meghan has been very critical of the president. And JD makes this point, which is he
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says, I'm going to go talk to basically anybody. I'm going to try to bring people together at a
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time when all of the incentives, especially in the media, are to divide everybody apart into
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ever smaller niche groups. Here, Vance gives a little bit of insight into the political coalition
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and into the Iran deal, which I'll get to. Because a minority, but nevertheless, a vocal
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minority of the conservative coalition is going apoplectic about the iran deal and i think it's
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This is from tfresh417 who says, that's Old Testament, is MLB anti-Semitic?
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That's a great point because the way the MLB pro-LGBT pride discrimination has been characterized
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But notice the players weren't quoting the book of Acts.
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You might even call it Islamophobic for that matter.
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JD goes on Megyn Kelly's show to discuss not only the Iran deal, but the state of the
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political coalition that elected President Trump.
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Right now, we have a very good deal for the American people.
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And importantly, we have a constituency right now that is saying that we're going to send boots on the ground.
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They want Donald Trump to send hundreds of thousands of ground troops into Iran.
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The best thing we need people, but we need people to be pushing back from inside the tent.
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And then we're told, and I quote, those who speak ill of Mark Levin are not MAGA.
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well the president as he does is pushing back at a criticism of yours that he thought was unfair
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not just me i mean a lot of non-interventional but i talked to him last night and i said mr
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president i'm gonna go on megan kelly's show and i'm gonna defend the administration's policies
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absolutely i love that because again good tell him he engages he engages and he's gonna criticize
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you when he agrees or disagrees i don't mind he's gonna say nice things about you when he agrees
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with you. But that's what I actually love about the president is he's not he's not like viewing
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these debates from the outside. He's participating in them himself. And again, Megan, the frustration
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that I've had with, you know, the non interventionist side has been that the attitude seems to be we
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disagree with the president on this policy. Look, we can have that debate, but fine. OK, you disagree
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with the president on this particular policy. That doesn't mean you can give up on the entire
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enterprise. I totally agree with this. I mean, this has been, preach, preach, Mr. Vice President.
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This has been, this is always an issue with conservatives because to get a group of
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conservatives together is like herding cats. That's why Speaker of the House for the GOP
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is the worst job in politics. And that became especially, especially pronounced after Charlie
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was murdered, especially pronounced because Charlie was extremely talented at many different
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things, at debating, at fundraising, at all sorts of things, broadcasting. But his indispensable
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skill was maintaining a coalition, keeping really toxic elements out, and then keeping together a
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coalition of people that could be politically effective, including lots of prominent people
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who all hate each other. It's not that the right, the prominent people on the right started to hate
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each other after Charlie was murdered. A lot of them hated each other for a very long time. And
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And what Charlie was able to do, if not singularly, at least better than basically anybody,
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was to keep those people roughly playing nice and, more importantly, to keep their eyes on the prize.
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Recognizing that in order to do anything in politics, you have to get people together,
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point them at least issue by issue, generally in the right direction,
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and not have people take their ball and go home.
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And what Vance does here is really, really sharp and pretty courageous, I think.
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is he's going to Meghan and she says, she's basically complaining that Trump
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was attacking her and saying that, you know, you have to agree with Mark Levin in order to be part
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of MAGA. And JD says, no, no, no, that's not exactly what he's saying. Mark Levin is fuming
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now. I mean, Mark Levin has had steam coming out of his ears for the last five days against the
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Trump administration because of the Iran deal, which we'll get to momentarily. But he says,
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no, no, no, Meghan, he was pushing back at a criticism that you made of him that he thought
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was unfair. That's what he was doing. And you should not take your ball and go home. And to
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Megan's credit. She says, no, no, no, look, I can take criticism. I understand that. But
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this is really, it's just very frustrating. And he said, yeah, yeah, I know. But you need to be
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able to make your point and work through your differences and disagree with the president
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sometimes. But all sides, not even, I can't even say both sides, all sides of conservatism
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needs to be willing to do that within the context of keeping the team together to actually achieve
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things because we'll all hang separately. Because if we start to just pry off, no, I'm angry that
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we're going to war in Iran. No, I'm angry that we're stopping the war in Iran. No, I'm angry
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about this, about tariffs. No, I'm angry about free trade. If we all just go home, then we're
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all going to hang separately because the left is much more unified. In fact, Vance goes further,
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I think makes a key point about that political coalition. A lot of people have been saying that
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they feel blackmailed by the whole experience, you know, like I'm just out. And I have been
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trying to make the point that, that you can't do that, right? You got to stay. But realistically,
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as we, cause after these midterms are over. Sorry, this is like very important. I'm sorry
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to interrupt, but so look, the coalition that made Donald Trump, the president of the United States
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and JD Vance, the vice president of the United States, people have to remember this. It was
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Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan. It was also Mark Levin. It was also a lot of people
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like John Pottleritz, who want a more aggressive foreign policy. What I think is important,
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I'm never going to say that John Pottleritz is not welcome in the Republican party. He is,
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but just as he's disappointed right now, sometimes other people are going to be disappointed at other
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times. You can't just quit politics because the leader of a country of 330 million people
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makes a decision you disagree with. This is such a great key. And I think people have very,
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very unfairly, maybe cynically, but maybe just ignorantly, been trying to project onto the
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vice president or onto the secretary of state sometimes or other people in the Trump administration,
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whatever their own hobby horses are. Saying, oh, J.D., he's an isolationist. Oh, J.D.,
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he, I don't know, he hates the neocons or he doesn't want any foreign intervention at all
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or this, that, or the other thing. You have J.D. Vance coming out here on Megyn Kelly's show saying,
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hey, Mark Levin and John Podhoretz are welcome in the conservative movement.
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But let's not overlook the fact that Trump was elected by a coalition that did in fact include
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people like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson. Who knows? Maybe Tucker and the president are so
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at odds now that they'll never come together again. That might well be the case. But it would
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still remain true that the coalition that elected Trump in 2024 included people who hate Mark Levin
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and John Pahoritz, and who are listening to Joe Rogan and Megyn Kelly or Tucker or whoever.
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That's a descriptive fact of the conservative coalition. And a lot of this is coming to a
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head right now over this Iran deal. You're seeing people are really, really apoplectic about the
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Iran deal. And this is an issue where I think, I hate to say I told you so, I have been so
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perfectly vindicated on every single stage of the Iran conflict. It's crazy. It actually astounds
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even me. I want a statue of Noel Stradamus put up in, I don't know, at least in my studio.
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Because I said before the Iran intervention, I said, if I run the NSC, I'm opposed to this.
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I think the strike is not prudent. As the bombs are dropping, I'm sitting here on the Daily Wire
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stream as this kicks off and everybody's celebrating. They're talking about freedom
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for the Persian people and whatever. And I said, you know, guys, had I been on the NSC,
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I would have argued against this. Not because the Iranian regime doesn't deserve what it gets,
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but because I don't think you're going to get regime change. I don't think that the
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proportionality is totally right here. I don't think the goods to be achieved are necessarily
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outweighing the costs that will be incurred. And you're seeing divergent interests. So I said this
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throughout the Iran war, the U.S. and Israel were the two sides that went to war in Iran together.
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And the U.S. and Israel have an alliance, longstanding alliance, and we have overlapping
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interests in a lot of areas. But then we have divergent interests in some other areas. And it
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was always the case that the longer this war carried on, you were going to see those interests
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diverge. You're hearing this now from the Israeli government. This is not speculation on my part.
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because it was the U.S. goal to totally destroy or at least very seriously set back Iran's nuclear
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weapon. The U.S. takes it as a matter of grand strategy and national security that Iran cannot
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have a nuclear weapon full stop. So Iran, it's not that Iran was close to getting a nuclear
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weapon exactly. It's close that they were close to having a ballistics missiles program that would
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get them to a point of immunity where they could break out and have a nuclear weapon. So U.S. said
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that's unacceptable. We're going to stop that. It is in the U.S. interest to weaken Iran,
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for instance, to destroy Iran's military, for instance, to destroy Iran's ballistic missiles,
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for instance, to take out layers of the Iranian leadership even perhaps.
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But that's basically where it stops. It is not necessarily in the U.S. interest to have regime
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change in Iran if the costs of that are going to be another 10-year war where the regime that
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replaces it might end up being worse than the one that we had in the first place. Look at Iraq.
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Look at other places around the Middle East. And look at Afghanistan. After 20 years,
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we just give the keys back to the people that we deposed in the first place.
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If I were Israeli, the other belligerent in this war, I would want regime change. I would see
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collapsing support in the United States for the state of Israel. I would see this is basically
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the last shot for the global hegemon, which is the global protector of the state of Israel.
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I would see this as the last shot to have regime change in Iran because the regime
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does in fact pose an existential threat to the state of Israel. But that's not the same calculation
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as we have in the United States. And furthermore, there is no political appetite in the United
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States on either side of the aisle for a protracted war, for a ground invasion of Iran,
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for the things that are necessary for regime change. So I knew from the beginning, and I
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said it ad nauseum, I said, what you're going to get is either a deal that everyone's unsatisfied
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with, or you're going to get escalation and a ground invasion of Iran for regime change,
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which there's no appetite for, which is politically actually impossible and probably not even a great
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idea if you could do it. So that was always the way this was going to end. And obviously the
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people who are most apoplectic about this deal are the people for whom supporting the state of
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Israel is one of the more important issues, if not the most important issue. Of course,
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it was ever thus. Nevertheless, I guess my question for people who are upset about the
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Iran deal is. What's the alternative? One, what is the American interest in not ending this war?
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I'm listening to all of these people who are apoplectic. I don't hear a good answer.
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Well, what about the freedom of the Persian people? Excuse me, is that the chief interest
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of the United States, the supposed freedom of the Persian people? Where are the Persian people?
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They had the chance to overthrow their regime. They didn't do it. Well, what about democracy
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around the world? Excuse me, that's the chief interest of the United States. We're going to
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blow up every government in the world for democracy? Well, what about the total annihilation
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of Hezbollah? Look, I don't like Hezbollah. I'd like to weaken Hezbollah, but it's a chief
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matter of grand strategy for the United States to totally obliterate Hezbollah.
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Every militant group around the world, is that what we're going to do? No.
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What is it? What is it? 20% of the world's oil and gas supply is totally choked off
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for how long? With petrochemicals, with fertilizer, with all the rest. You've got
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American other allies in the region who are having their countries attacked by Iran the longer this
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goes on, committing the United States to a ground invasion or a regime change? How is that in the
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interest of the United States? What's the alternative? And notice they won't give you
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the alternative to the peace deal. Well, let's just maintain the blockade forever. We're going
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to choke off 20% of the world's oil forever. How is that sustainable? You can't do that.
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Then the Republicans will lose everything. The United States will be severely weakened. We're
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at the lowest level for our strategic oil reserves ever since we've had the strategic
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petroleum reserve. That's not an option. But I think the part they're not saying is what they
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wanted is to escalate the war for regime change, for an occupation, for democratic elections and
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election overseers paid for and supervised by the United States government. Basically the same
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thing that happened in Iraq. But what's, fine, yes, the MOU is unsatisfying. Of course, it was
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always going to be unsatisfying. My question for the people who are apoplectic is, what was the
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alternative? And notice, what was the alternative and what was the chief American interest there?
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They don't have any answer for it. They don't have any answer for it. And so then the question
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becomes, are you going to maintain the political coalition or not? We are now in a world in which
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Donald Trump has irritated over the course of three or four weeks,
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Megyn Kelly and Tucker Carlson and John Podhoretz and Mark Levin. Some would say that's a terrible
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sign. To me, what that says is Trump is his own man. He is doing what he thinks is right in his
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judgment. And he is not beholden to one faction or another faction or anything like that. He is
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his own man. He's the best foreign policy president of my lifetime. And he's trying to win. He's
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trying to rack up wins, which conservatives don't seem all that interested in doing.
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Okay. Today's work from home Wednesday. We do have an assignment today that I sort of assigned
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