The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 289 - Grievance Studies

00:00:00.000 As the 2020 race heats up to be a battle over whose mother washed more floors for less money,

00:00:05.620 we ask when victimhood became a substitute for virtue.

00:00:09.580 Fortunately, we are joined by Peter Boghossian and Jim Lindsay,

00:00:13.120 authors of the infamous Grievance Studies Experiment that got papers on

00:00:17.980 human reactions to rape culture and queer performativity at urban dog parks in Portland, Oregon, 0.90

00:00:24.440 published in peer-reviewed academic journals.

00:00:26.720 Then, Kamala Harris flip-flops on Medicare for All in record time.

00:00:31.140 She really is Hillary 4.0. 1.00

00:00:33.140 Finally, some bad pop culture and voter fraud in Texas.

00:00:36.520 I'm Michael Knowles, and this is The Michael Knowles Show.

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00:01:17.260 A lot to get to today.

00:01:18.400 The Howard Schultz for President campaign is rolling along beautifully.

00:01:24.040 It is creating big divisions within the Democrat Party.

00:01:27.280 It is causing Kamala Harris to immediately switch up her strategy for 2020,

00:01:33.920 and it's all leading toward victimhood and grievance.

00:01:37.520 Howard Schultz just doesn't get it, but our guests coming up, Peter Boghossian and Jim Lindsay, do.

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00:03:05.620 The Howard Schultz for president campaign could not possibly be going better.

00:03:10.380 Howard Schultz was on MSNBC.

00:03:12.480 He's discussing his independent bid for president.

00:03:15.100 He's been a lifelong Democrat, but the Democrat Party has moved very far left.

00:03:19.160 He could never win the Democrat primary today, so he's running as an independent.

00:03:24.300 This is a billionaire, and already Democrats are throwing tomatoes at him.

00:03:28.320 They don't want him to run.

00:03:29.340 They hate him.

00:03:30.000 He's a plutocrat.

00:03:30.820 He's a billionaire.

00:03:31.420 He's a straight white man.

00:03:32.640 Here is how Howard Schultz responds.

00:03:35.600 Why not just run as a Democrat?

00:03:37.740 We know you are a Democrat.

00:03:39.080 You've given to Hillary Clinton.

00:03:40.340 You've supported her candidacy.

00:03:42.420 No, I have been a Democrat.

00:03:43.440 So are you no longer a Democrat?

00:03:45.020 No, I'm not a Democrat.

00:03:46.140 I don't affiliate myself with the Democratic Party, who's so far left, who basically wants

00:03:50.220 the government to take over health care, which we cannot afford, the government to give

00:03:54.280 free college to everybody, and the government to give everyone a job, which basically is $40

00:03:58.940 trillion on the balance sheet of $21.5 trillion.

00:04:02.180 We can't afford it.

00:04:03.680 What can we do?

00:04:05.160 What we need is comprehensive tax reform.

00:04:08.960 What we need is sensible solutions to immigration.

00:04:12.740 All of these things cannot happen under the current environment.

00:04:16.700 Now, I've also been criticized for being a billionaire.

00:04:19.060 Let's talk about that.

00:04:20.140 I'm self-made.

00:04:21.160 I grew up in the projects in Brooklyn, New York.

00:04:24.080 I thought that was the American dream, the aspiration of America.

00:04:28.000 You're going to criticize me for being successful?

00:04:31.280 Yes, yes.

00:04:32.920 I'm not going to criticize you for being successful, but the Democrats will criticize you for being

00:04:37.080 successful because the left gets everything backwards.

00:04:41.060 We've talked about this for weeks now on the show.

00:04:43.460 It's become clearer every day.

00:04:45.000 The left gets it all backwards.

00:04:46.860 To a large portion of America, being a self-made billionaire is not the dream.

00:04:51.740 For a large portion of America, to the left, the American dream is to be the most aggrieved.

00:04:58.540 It is to be the biggest victim, to check off all the victimhood boxes.

00:05:03.100 That is the dream.

00:05:04.500 That is what people are trying to do now.

00:05:06.400 There are a lot of people who were born into immense privilege who pretend that they weren't.

00:05:10.860 A great example of this is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

00:05:13.840 She grew up in a nicer town than I did.

00:05:16.260 She grew up right next door to where I did, a very affluent county, one of the richest

00:05:19.820 in the country.

00:05:20.760 She grew up there from the age five all the way up through college.

00:05:23.980 She attended a private college.

00:05:25.540 According to her voting records, she lived in Ritzy, northern Westchester until just two

00:05:29.140 years ago.

00:05:30.780 And what does she do? 0.94

00:05:31.620 She pretends she's Jenny from the block.

00:05:34.000 It's not my phrase.

00:05:35.020 She tweets it out.

00:05:35.940 She says, I'm still Alex from the Bronx.

00:05:38.400 She's pretending that she's had a worse upbringing, a worse education, a more difficult, aggrieved

00:05:44.340 experience of life than she has because people are ashamed on the left of success and privilege.

00:05:51.580 And so they even flip humility and modesty.

00:05:56.000 True humility does away with false modesty.

00:05:59.200 But what these people are is really prideful.

00:06:01.840 They're really prideful.

00:06:02.800 And they don't want to admit the privileges that they've had.

00:06:05.680 They don't want to be thankful for it.

00:06:07.040 They don't want to aspire to even greater privileges.

00:06:10.360 They want to flip it.

00:06:11.360 They want to say, no, no, I didn't have any leg up in life.

00:06:13.480 No, no, I didn't.

00:06:14.300 No, I'm I had it really hard.

00:06:16.360 My mother washed more floors for less money than your mother did. 1.00

00:06:21.020 That's what they all say.

00:06:22.740 They flip success and victimhood and victimhood today carries a cachet.

00:06:27.760 This is why when you look around at college campuses, there has been a whole what's called

00:06:31.920 the the campus rape epidemic.

00:06:34.280 So many of the biggest of these stories, the most widely read, the UVA story, the gang rape

00:06:42.060 story in Rolling Stone.

00:06:43.360 So many of the high profile stories have proven to be hoaxes.

00:06:48.420 The Duke lacrosse one, obviously mattress girl at Columbia on and on. 0.94

00:06:53.540 There was a we did a show about a month or two ago where we went through about a dozen of these.

00:06:58.140 Why is it that all these huge stories turn out to be hoaxes?

00:07:02.560 Because victimhood carries a cachet.

00:07:06.780 It carries a social currency.

00:07:09.160 People want it.

00:07:10.040 They think it makes them more virtuous.

00:07:12.280 And this is our new vision of the world from the left.

00:07:18.460 This isn't how the right views things.

00:07:20.300 And this is creating a real division.

00:07:22.020 It's why Howard Schultz's candidacy will probably hand the election to Donald Trump.

00:07:26.840 So thank you, Howard.

00:07:28.220 But also, it would be quite instructive to America because I do think there are people

00:07:32.920 who are traditionally on the left or traditionally Democrats who say, gosh, they're really getting

00:07:39.660 everything backwards here.

00:07:41.880 Gosh, I don't I don't want to live in a world where victimhood is something to aspire to.

00:07:47.940 So maybe and and so his candidacy, I think, will show that fissure in the Democrat Party.

00:07:53.800 The trouble for him is that the people who think that, I think, are just going to vote

00:07:57.260 for Trump.

00:07:57.820 I don't think that they're going to vote for Howard Schultz.

00:08:00.660 It's that issue, the sort of I'm a fiscal conservative, but a social liberal that we

00:08:05.840 were talking about yesterday.

00:08:06.880 The actual people who want that very narrow appeal are pretty small.

00:08:11.020 But the people who are traditionally Democrats, they consider themselves progressive.

00:08:16.260 They don't care about sexual issues.

00:08:20.000 They don't they haven't really thought through pro-life.

00:08:22.600 They whatever they just they're they they want to be reasonable.

00:08:26.280 They see the left right now spiraling down and, you know, things happen slowly and then

00:08:31.740 they happen all at once.

00:08:33.420 And I think we're seeing the all at once part of that now.

00:08:36.400 You had over time the cash identity politics, multiculturalism.

00:08:41.840 OK, now this is certain privileges are bad.

00:08:45.580 OK, do do do do do do.

00:08:46.760 And now we're spiraling down into this subjectivism, this idea that we have to invent our own pain.

00:08:53.380 We have to invent our own realities.

00:08:55.060 You even had then Anthony Kennedy, when he was on the Supreme Court, say that people have

00:08:58.740 a right to define reality.

00:09:01.280 But of course, nobody has the right to define reality.

00:09:04.140 You're entitled to your opinion, but it might be incorrect.

00:09:07.760 You don't get to define it.

00:09:08.960 You certainly don't get to define it for everybody else.

00:09:11.600 We're seeing that all at once.

00:09:12.940 And it leads us into grievance studies.

00:09:15.940 This is a phenomenon.

00:09:16.820 It's happened at colleges where they're not studying history, philosophy, English, whatever,

00:09:21.100 math.

00:09:21.580 They're studying ethnicity and gender studies, studies, studies, studies.

00:09:26.520 And it's really just ideology.

00:09:27.920 It's not a traditional academic discipline. 0.96

00:09:30.440 And it becomes more and more ridiculous.

00:09:31.860 My guests coming up, Peter Boghossian and Jim Lindsay, submitted a number of academic

00:09:38.280 papers to peer-reviewed academic journals.

00:09:41.440 And seven of them have been accepted.

00:09:43.260 I think another seven of them were accepted but not published or revise and resubmit or whatever.

00:09:48.960 Actually, even more than that.

00:09:50.320 Only a few of them were rejected before, I think it was actually a conservative journalist

00:09:56.820 pointed out that these were probably fake.

00:10:00.040 And they exposed a major flaw in the academy, a major flaw in our grievance culture.

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00:12:19.420 Let's get to our guests.

00:12:21.260 Peter, Jim, thank you for being here.

00:12:23.860 Hey, thanks.

00:12:24.320 Thanks for having us on.

00:12:25.060 You two are my heroes.

00:12:26.700 And I should point out, you're not conservatives.

00:12:30.160 Nope.

00:12:30.500 You're not Christians. 1.00

00:12:31.640 You are both left-wing.

00:12:33.280 Yep.

00:12:33.440 You are both atheists.

00:12:34.800 Correct.

00:12:35.060 That is absolutely correct.

00:12:36.420 And yet, we agree.

00:12:38.460 We completely agree.

00:12:40.000 You are an inspiration to me because what we're talking about is reality.

00:12:45.420 Right.

00:12:45.900 You guys have very different views of reality than I do.

00:12:49.720 Religious truth, political reality. 0.55

00:12:52.360 And yet, we're at least talking about reality.

00:12:55.960 Exactly.

00:12:56.160 And that's the big difference here between us and the intersectional crowd who believes

00:13:01.940 that a paper titled Human Reactions to Rape Culture and Queer Performativity at Urban

00:13:09.040 Dog Parks in Porkland, Oregon could be a real peer-reviewed academic paper.

00:13:15.140 Not only, but also honored for exemplary scholarship in feminist geography.

00:13:20.800 Congratulations.

00:13:21.440 Thank you very much.

00:13:23.040 We should explain to people who don't know what peer review is.

00:13:26.440 What peer review is?

00:13:28.000 So, peer review is a system where we try to, where academics want to make sure that scholarly

00:13:34.100 research is up to scratch.

00:13:35.880 So, the idea would be, I want to write a paper.

00:13:38.160 I've done my research.

00:13:39.140 I've read things.

00:13:39.900 Maybe I did an experiment.

00:13:41.160 Maybe I did this.

00:13:41.700 And before I'm going to publish that paper, I'm not going on my blog and putting it out

00:13:46.120 there.

00:13:46.580 Before I publish that paper, I'm going to send it to other experts in the field who know

00:13:49.620 their stuff.

00:13:51.260 Ideally, they're not going to know who I am.

00:13:53.180 I'm not going to know who they are.

00:13:54.440 So, there's no conflict of interest involved.

00:13:55.980 That's blind peer review, which is the standard now.

00:13:57.920 And they're going to go through my paper and they're going to say, this part's okay.

00:14:01.820 This part's bad.

00:14:02.620 This part needs fixing.

00:14:03.560 Have you considered these insights?

00:14:05.860 Did you use the right statistical methods?

00:14:07.760 Did you use the correct logic to get to the conclusion?

00:14:10.780 They're going to go through and pick my paper apart for everything that's wrong with it while

00:14:15.680 giving some constructive positive feedback as well.

00:14:18.620 And then I'm going to have to fix up my paper and make sure that other experts in the field,

00:14:22.440 at least two, sometimes four or more, are going to check off and say, yeah, this paper

00:14:27.260 actually meets scholarly credentials and deserves to be published as scholarship.

00:14:32.320 And then they'll make a recommendation to the journal editor who says, ah, real experts

00:14:36.340 that know this field well recognize this as a contribution.

00:14:39.880 And so, papers that have passed peer review that have been accepted as a genuine contribution

00:14:44.740 to scholarship written by you guys under pseudonyms would include, who are they to judge overcoming

00:14:52.980 anthropometry and a framework for fat bodybuilding, as well as going in through the back door, challenging 0.91

00:15:02.400 straight male homo hysteria and transphobia through receptive penetrative sex toy use. 0.91

00:15:08.580 Yeah, that one's got a lot of big words. 0.98

00:15:10.080 Let me sum that one down for you a little bit.

00:15:11.820 Boil that down.

00:15:12.440 It was that straight men are transphobic, clearly, and they can fix that by putting things in 1.00

00:15:17.320 their butt. 1.00

00:15:18.640 And they thought this was a great idea. 0.99

00:15:20.640 It's brilliant.

00:15:21.480 I mean, it was such a genuine contribution.

00:15:23.520 And you guys, you're a mathematician.

00:15:25.780 Yeah.

00:15:26.040 You are a philosopher.

00:15:28.040 You are in the academy or refugees from the academy. 1.00

00:15:31.520 Are you experiencing professional kickback from this?

00:15:35.560 You published this hoax.

00:15:37.140 It had to be done.

00:15:40.020 It had to be done. 0.99

00:15:40.720 You are exposing this shallow, ridiculous academic culture. 0.98

00:15:44.840 What's the ramification? 0.97

00:15:46.680 Well, many, many people have been incredibly supportive and many people from all across

00:15:52.200 the political spectrum.

00:15:53.160 I get, for example, emails, it might seem odd that I, as an evangelical Christian, are

00:15:59.980 writing in support of the author of a manual for creating atheists, but I want to say that

00:16:04.860 I support you.

00:16:05.780 Or conservatives will chime in on that.

00:16:09.640 So there has been a lot of support.

00:16:13.180 The administration is, one might say, not too happy with this.

00:16:16.960 They're less supportive.

00:16:17.760 Thank you.

00:16:19.660 That was lovely.

00:16:21.280 The wonderful politic answer.

00:16:23.640 They're less supportive of me in this context.

00:16:25.640 Yeah.

00:16:26.460 Now, what you have done is actually a great service to the academy.

00:16:30.100 There is a crisis of the academy.

00:16:31.700 We saw just in psychology, there was that replication crisis a few years ago.

00:16:35.920 They couldn't replicate all of these studies.

00:16:38.040 Peer review, by the way, for those of you who have friends in academia, has been so abused.

00:16:43.300 Very often, it's professors pass this down to grad students who skim.

00:16:47.080 Who let the nonsense go through.

00:16:49.240 This is a major crisis.

00:16:50.960 And one of the biggest issues is, I notice as a millennial, a lot of millennial friends,

00:16:57.500 millennials are supposedly the most educated generation in history.

00:17:01.320 And they certainly have the most degrees, the most credentials.

00:17:04.840 Most of them go to college. 0.99

00:17:07.600 And yet, they might be the most ignorant generation I've ever come across. 0.99

00:17:10.860 How does that work? 0.99

00:17:11.640 What is the conflict?

00:17:13.180 Well, it depends on what they're being taught and how they're being challenged.

00:17:17.140 To become truly educated means not just to be exposed to lots and lots of courses,

00:17:22.660 but to be exposed to relevant ideas within your field, but also challenging ideas that make you think outside of your field.

00:17:29.720 I see there's actually this kind of internet subculture movement building up to try to find an alternative to the university.

00:17:35.800 And I don't like it personally.

00:17:36.820 I think that the idea of the university in its essence should be that you, same as peer review,

00:17:43.540 you have experts who guide students and challenge their thinking, give them viewpoints that they don't agree with,

00:17:49.820 and make them work through how they might understand that perspective better.

00:17:54.660 And if it's wrong, they should learn to articulate the arguments for why it's wrong.

00:17:58.420 And if it's right, then they can try to work through some of that.

00:18:01.620 But there's been this increasing institutionalization of a certain kind of thought that our papers are really trying to dig into,

00:18:12.580 is that there's a certain shallowness, like you were saying, to if we're going to talk about issues of cultural relevance,

00:18:20.480 like race or gender or so on, then you don't have to, you just know the right answer.

00:18:26.400 You know, it's, this is the right answer.

00:18:28.760 If you put that on your test, you get the grade, and if you don't, you don't.

00:18:32.420 So you have this problem, and then you go into institutionalizing that into the general education requirement

00:18:38.260 instead of, say, something like civics or Western civilization.

00:18:42.020 I had to take American history.

00:18:44.060 Many of my friends were dependent on a degree at my school.

00:18:46.720 What a bigoted school would make you take American history?

00:18:49.480 I'm so outraged.

00:18:50.380 It was required for every degree except engineering, and they had to take Western civ.

00:18:54.620 I don't know why, but whatever.

00:18:56.980 And so these were things that were happening before, but now you can fill this in with, you know, Asian studies or some such.

00:19:04.880 And so there's a degree of that happening, I'm sure.

00:19:08.000 There have also been, you know, other factors, not to put it all on, like, grievance studies,

00:19:12.280 because, for example, when I was finishing my degree, they actually, in my state, which was Tennessee,

00:19:17.440 by state mandate, cut the number of hours required for a bachelor's degree so that more people would be able to get them.

00:19:23.320 So there are political factors as well.

00:19:24.860 Right.

00:19:25.380 Lowering of standards.

00:19:26.500 Lowering of standards.

00:19:27.180 Yeah.

00:19:27.620 And one of the things that I've seen happen that I'm deeply concerned about is that there's a lack of intellectual diversity in the academy.

00:19:34.240 Yeah.

00:19:34.580 And I think it's a tremendous problem when, for example, and I don't know, this is probably, this may showcase a difference of ours.

00:19:43.040 I don't know.

00:19:43.400 I've never spoken to you about this.

00:19:44.580 But a person in my class commented about, he does not believe global warming is anthropogenic.

00:19:53.280 And he said, and I thought he was, this was a great point.

00:19:56.060 It's totally legitimate.

00:19:57.380 Why should we believe this?

00:19:59.100 We already know that the overwhelming majority of professors are, you've proven it.

00:20:04.040 They adhere to a radical leftist intersectional worldview.

00:20:08.220 They're the same folks writing this.

00:20:09.640 So why, why should I, why should I believe that?

00:20:12.400 Right.

00:20:12.680 Their credibility is so in question.

00:20:15.500 So that's why we need more diversity in the academy.

00:20:18.360 And that's why we need to look at the scholarship that comes out.

00:20:21.840 We need something to rely upon.

00:20:23.800 And we can't do that now.

00:20:25.820 And this, to your point before, I, I love the university.

00:20:30.700 I like the idea of the university, to use John Henry Newman's phrase.

00:20:34.580 I don't want to give up the university to these lunatics who are attacking it from within.

00:20:40.700 So you've come in and taken a stand.

00:20:43.000 And it's worth pointing out, too, what grievance studies is.

00:20:47.120 Because you come from philosophy.

00:20:48.920 You come from mathematics.

00:20:50.620 I majored in history.

00:20:52.380 These are liberal arts.

00:20:54.200 These are now increasingly in universities.

00:20:57.800 You'll have new departments, women's, gender, and sexuality.

00:21:01.880 Anything with studies in it.

00:21:03.020 It's any of the studies.

00:21:03.920 There's a kind of irony here.

00:21:05.380 Because whenever there are these new stuff, women's studies, gay studies, whatever studies,

00:21:10.120 the studies always likes and approves of the thing that it's studying, except for American studies.

00:21:16.280 That is the one studies department that actually despises the object of its studies.

00:21:21.960 When did these crop up?

00:21:24.320 When did the deputy assistant dean of inclusion and sexual studies,

00:21:28.420 when did this happen and start gutting our university?

00:21:31.100 How surprised are you going to be to find out it was the late 1960s?

00:21:34.900 There were a lot of things going on around that time.

00:21:37.860 But really, that was part of it.

00:21:39.260 There was the big cultural kind of change that was happening in the late 60s and going into the 70s,

00:21:44.000 you know, following civil rights and all of this.

00:21:46.840 And the university really wanted to be on the vanguard of that.

00:21:48.940 They wanted to showcase diversity and they wanted to have more scholars that were women and that were racial minorities

00:21:56.860 and try to be on the forefront of making a more diverse professional class.

00:22:01.300 Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go.

00:22:03.880 Well, not quite yet.

00:22:04.800 But yeah, now.

00:22:06.720 And what happened was they started to create these kind of boutique departments

00:22:09.720 around very politically fashionable ideas like women's studies, feminist studies, race studies, etc.

00:22:17.100 And because of a number of factors that can get pretty complicated,

00:22:21.280 and it's a lot of inside baseball, they never really got challenged.

00:22:24.880 Exactly.

00:22:25.260 They also simultaneously picked up a very fashionable postmodern deconstructive philosophy for doing their stuff.

00:22:33.400 This is what I want to actually get to because I saw dear old Yale crumbling during just my four years there.

00:22:41.700 I saw this really pick up fast.

00:22:44.180 I mean, you had kids screaming at their professors by the time I graduated.

00:22:50.280 One thing I notice is that we all agree on reality.

00:22:53.700 We all agree that reality exists.

00:22:55.740 We're arguing over these facts.

00:22:57.160 There's also this radical subjectivism now, which says there's no truth.

00:23:01.980 There's your truth and my truth.

00:23:05.580 Where does that idea come from, and where is that leading us, and how do we fight that?

00:23:10.560 Well, there's a great question.

00:23:10.880 You know, we have a whole minute left, so I'm sure you can answer that question.

00:23:13.980 The deep answer is that's postmodern deconstruction.

00:23:17.320 It goes back to the 60s, these French philosophers.

00:23:20.540 The narrow answer is in the late 80s and 90s.

00:23:23.220 It took a turn.

00:23:23.860 You had race scholars like Kimberly Crenshaw and gender scholars like Judith Butler who are saying things like,

00:23:30.620 we know identity must be real because oppression based on identity is real.

00:23:35.420 And if we want to change things, if we want to have effective activism, progressive activism, we need to admit that those are real and then continue to use our deconstructive methods to deconstruct the conversations around those objects.

00:23:47.040 So we agree on reality existing, and we mean one particular thing by it.

00:23:50.680 They would say they agree that reality exists also, but that it's rooted in the one real thing is oppression based on identity, which is always based on power.

00:23:58.260 And the moral oppression, the clearer view of reality.

00:24:00.660 Yeah.

00:24:00.840 This is such a brilliant observation.

00:24:04.000 I have never heard this before, but you have explained it.

00:24:07.540 Sometimes when I'm on college campuses, people ask me, they say, how is it that the intersectional left can so embrace identity as this absolute, but then they become subjectivists when it gets to identity.

00:24:21.740 A man can be a woman. 0.99

00:24:23.040 A white lady can be a black lady. 1.00

00:24:24.680 It's all kind of fluid.

00:24:26.300 And your answer is because of the reality of the oppression.

00:24:31.780 Right.

00:24:31.900 So as long as you can claim victimhood, as long as you can claim oppression, the details of the identity from which you get the oppression, that's all malleable.

00:24:41.900 It's just all about the oppression, the grievance.

00:24:45.680 And the more oppression variables one has, the clearer view of reality one has.

00:24:49.320 Yeah, that's called standpoint epistemology, which is a kind of related thing to another thing called critical constructivist epistemology.

00:24:56.680 This all has like real deep, I mean, it's real academic stuff.

00:24:59.160 Right.

00:24:59.640 We called critical constructivist epistemology grievance studies.

00:25:03.700 It's a little bit easier to grasp what's going on there.

00:25:07.180 And the idea with these, especially standpoint epistemology, is that there's always a power dynamic.

00:25:13.540 And if you're on the upside of the power dynamic, you are, let's say, a man who lives in a man's world.

00:25:18.300 So you have one perspective, man and man.

00:25:20.960 But if you're a woman who lives in a man's world, now you have the woman perspective. 0.52

00:25:24.060 And because you live in the man's world, you have the man perspective too.

00:25:26.920 Therefore, you know more things.

00:25:28.640 Right.

00:25:28.800 Plus, you get to claim oppression and victimhood. 0.92

00:25:31.840 And you add another variable to that, black, disabled, trans.

00:25:35.600 They get even more, what do they call it, strong objectivity, as Sandra Harding called that.

00:25:42.520 You get more access to know the truth in your personal subjective experience by having oppression in a power.

00:25:49.700 I mean, as a Christian, that must be horrific to you. 0.77

00:25:52.100 Truly shocking.

00:25:53.280 Truly.

00:25:54.400 The entire world is upside down.

00:25:56.260 This is so interesting, though.

00:25:58.440 And it's why I love that real academic people, such as yourselves, did this hoax.

00:26:05.220 Because the hoax is, it's really funny.

00:26:07.640 An ethnography of breastaurant masculinity.

00:26:11.300 Themes of objectification, sexual conquest, and masculine toughness in a sexually objectifying restaurant.

00:26:18.160 That was accepted and published.

00:26:19.760 I mean, just wonderful, our struggle is my struggle, solidarity feminism as an intersectional reply to neoliberal and choice feminism.

00:26:31.000 That's a chapter of Mein Kampf.

00:26:32.160 That's a chapter of Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler.

00:26:34.780 Right.

00:26:34.920 I mean, these are really funny. 0.97

00:26:36.580 But it's not just a ha-ha, look how ridiculous the other side is. 0.94

00:26:40.520 Right. 0.96

00:26:40.960 They do have a coherent train of thought.

00:26:45.220 Yeah.

00:26:45.460 Absolutely.

00:26:45.980 And that's just perverse.

00:26:47.040 These aren't even actually hoaxes.

00:26:48.540 We started with hoaxes.

00:26:49.860 We failed to get hoaxes in.

00:26:51.240 The first six papers we wrote all failed.

00:26:53.020 They couldn't get in.

00:26:53.900 So we started to actually learn how they think and write the papers in accordance with what really is grievance studies.

00:26:59.580 We became grievance scholars ourselves, in a sense.

00:27:03.020 And we learned to think like they do.

00:27:04.340 We understood their comic book universe, where, you know, sometimes people can fly or whatever.

00:27:08.900 And we wrote accordingly.

00:27:11.420 And then we uncovered some pretty serious issues.

00:27:14.300 So they have this tight ecosystem in coherence.

00:27:17.480 In philosophy, we call it coherence theory.

00:27:18.860 All these nodes in a matrix of belief, they all cohere together.

00:27:23.880 And it does make an ecosystem.

00:27:26.260 And the Batman, Superman, or DC and Marvel.

00:27:27.840 Yeah.

00:27:28.160 It's like in the Batman universe, right?

00:27:30.480 Batman can do a lot of cool stuff, but he can't fly.

00:27:32.700 So if you wanted to write a fan comic and you make Batman fly, everybody's going to be like, what?

00:27:37.200 He needs like a hang glider or something.

00:27:38.260 Right, right, right.

00:27:39.600 Yes.

00:27:40.160 And this, unfortunately, we're out of time.

00:27:42.500 And I have to let people know where to find you.

00:27:44.360 On Twitter, at Peter Boghossian.

00:27:47.200 Jim, you can find on Twitter, at Conceptual James.

00:27:52.100 There's a documentary coming out, I think.

00:27:53.800 There's a documentary.

00:27:54.800 Yeah, it should be later this year.

00:27:55.620 Mike Naina.

00:27:56.300 Mike Naina is doing a documentary on this, which is, I'm glad you brought this up here at the end.

00:28:01.080 It isn't a hoax.

00:28:02.160 What you have done is gone in, identified, not just how the grievance studies illogic thinks,

00:28:10.040 but you have gotten these papers peer-reviewed and published.

00:28:15.120 And recognized for excellence.

00:28:17.100 Recognized for excellence.

00:28:18.780 You really, it is outrageous to call it a hoax.

00:28:21.620 You could call the whole field a hoax.

00:28:23.480 Right.

00:28:23.700 But you couldn't call what you have done a hoax.

00:28:25.920 It is so important.

00:28:26.980 If we want to combat this nonsense, if we want to try to save the university,

00:28:30.600 save liberal education, you have to be able to actually understand how these people think,

00:28:37.120 how they have gone so wrong in their trains of thought.

00:28:40.260 Only then can you come back and get back to a sane reality.

00:28:43.400 And we very much want to restore confidence in the academy,

00:28:46.120 and that confidence and trust has been eroded not only in the peer-reviewed system,

00:28:49.520 but in the whole academy.

00:28:51.140 The whole institutional structure.

00:28:53.120 I think you're doing God's work, both of you atheists. 1.00

00:28:55.740 Thank you so much for being here, Peter.

00:28:57.080 I appreciate it.

00:28:57.440 Jim, we've got to go.

00:28:58.500 Great to have you.

00:28:59.160 Thank you so much.

00:29:00.180 Great.

00:29:00.480 Thank you.

00:29:01.880 Those are the first guys who could explain to me some of the contradictions within the intersectional left.

00:29:07.300 I hope people pay attention to them because they've really got an insight here

00:29:11.620 that explains so much of the craziness and all the shrieking kids on college campuses

00:29:16.140 and all the other nonsense flitting about our culture.

00:29:18.860 We've got a lot more to get to.

00:29:20.740 We've got to get to Kamala Harris, that seductress Kamala Harris, 1.00

00:29:25.600 launching her political career, apparently, with a married man.

00:29:29.720 But before we get to that, it's time for you to get on the right side of history,

00:29:34.100 which is, in fact, the title of Ben Shapiro's new book.

00:29:37.160 It officially hits stores March 19th, but if you go to rightsideofhistory.com,

00:29:40.860 you can order your copy right now before they sell out.

00:29:43.300 Do it.

00:29:43.620 You will thank me later.

00:29:44.540 It pains me to say nice things about Ben earnestly on the show, but I have to do it.

00:29:52.420 The book is very good.

00:29:53.980 The book is really, really good.

00:29:55.300 I read an early draft of it, and so he's, I think, even punched it up a little bit since then,

00:30:00.660 and it was excellent.

00:30:01.840 I read all these books that come out, all these popular books, many of which are not very good,

00:30:05.860 and Ben's is, like, the answer to that book.

00:30:08.700 I hope it sells a zillion copies.

00:30:10.480 It would be really helpful to the culture, so go check it out.

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00:30:49.320 You know, some people say that that Pike Place is bitter.

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00:31:00.140 Go to dailywire.com.

00:31:01.480 We'll be right back.

00:31:02.960 All of this talk about grievance politics has got me feeling aggrieved.

00:31:17.220 And I am feeling aggrieved because Hillary Clinton is not running for president. 0.53

00:31:23.000 Jeff Zeleny is reporting that Hillary Clinton is not closing the door on running for 2020.

00:31:28.340 Do you think she would actually do it?

00:31:30.180 Well, look, you know, I take her at her word.

00:31:32.100 She's not running for president. 0.72

00:31:33.700 She's not running for president. 0.72

00:31:35.020 This is according to John Podesta, her spirit-cooking warlock of a former campaign chairman.

00:31:40.580 It sounds like Hillary is out. 0.60

00:31:43.200 Now, of course, when Hillary Clinton says she's not running for president, there's still a 98.8897% chance that she is running for president because Hillary Clinton has been running for president since she was five years old.

00:31:55.920 But, unfortunately, it sounds like she's not going to run.

00:31:58.540 It's too bad.

00:31:59.680 Fortunately for us, we have Hillary Clinton 4.0, also known as Kamala Harris, who is running. 1.00

00:32:05.480 So, yesterday, we showed a clip of Kamala Harris endorsing Medicare for All, the most extreme socialist form of health care.

00:32:15.480 Here is her endorsing it with Jake Tapper.

00:32:18.340 Just to follow up on that, and correct me if I'm wrong, to reiterate, you support the Medicare for All bill, I think, initially co-sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders.

00:32:26.040 You're also a co-sponder onto it.

00:32:27.600 I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance.

00:32:29.980 So, for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it.

00:32:35.640 Well, listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care, and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require.

00:32:48.320 Who of us has not had that situation where you've got to wait for approval, and the doctor says, well, I don't know if your insurance company is going to cover this?

00:32:55.800 Let's eliminate all of that.

00:32:57.120 Let's move on.

00:32:57.760 Let's eliminate all that.

00:32:59.680 Let's move on.

00:33:00.520 This is Kamala Harris.

00:33:01.740 That was her yesterday, I guess.

00:33:04.100 The CNN ran that article.

00:33:05.880 They ran that clip because it was aired on CNN.

00:33:08.760 They then updated the article.

00:33:10.960 This came out this morning.

00:33:12.000 They said, quote, as the Fuhrer grew, not the former leader of Nazi Germany, Fuhrer, F-U-R-O-R.

00:33:19.300 As the Fuhrer grew, a Harris advisor on Tuesday signaled that the candidate would also be open to the more moderate health reform plans,

00:33:27.080 which would preserve the industry, being floated by other congressional Democrats.

00:33:31.020 It represents a compromise position that risks angering Medicare for all proponents, who view eliminating private health insurance as key to enacting their comprehensive reform.

00:33:42.740 So what does this mean?

00:33:45.680 Kamala Harris comes out there and says, yeah, let's destroy a sixth of the American economy. 1.00

00:33:49.360 Let's just eliminate it.

00:33:50.540 Boop, gone.

00:33:51.120 And obviously, those companies, those private insurers, private health care providers, people who like having choice in their health care, there was huge blowback there.

00:34:02.000 And so Kamala Harris says, okay, okay, well, maybe I didn't quite mean that.

00:34:06.900 Now, this is how we know that she's Hillary Clinton 4.0, is she's a weather vane. 1.00

00:34:11.280 Whatever way the wind is blowing, she's going to do it.

00:34:13.280 And she began her career, according to former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, by dating a married man that came out yesterday, a married man who was like 20 or 30 years older than her.

00:34:27.040 He said yesterday, the guy who did this married man, dates Kamala Harris and says, oh, yes, yeah, I dated her.

00:34:33.980 And then as a result, I put her on some influential committees and look where she is today. 1.00

00:34:37.720 Anyway, this is a woman who will do whatever it takes to become president. 1.00

00:34:43.540 The kind of woman who launches her career that way with an older married man is the kind of person who will do whatever it takes. 0.73

00:34:50.480 And so maybe that means tacking all the way to the left, if that seems like the way that the winds are blowing.

00:34:55.080 Maybe that means moderating 24 hours later, if that's the way that the winds are blowing.

00:35:00.060 Obviously, it is crazy.

00:35:02.700 It's crazy to eliminate a sixth of the economy to take that over.

00:35:05.760 CNN is actually correct in its coverage.

00:35:08.520 The Medicare for all so-called the socialist health care advocates, they do view any private insurance as an impediment to their utopian solution, to their plan.

00:35:18.740 I mean, they are radicals.

00:35:19.840 They are Jacobins. 1.00

00:35:21.040 They are the ones who are speeding, hurtling toward a totalitarian utopian future.

00:35:27.200 And so they see if anyone else has any control over health care, be it the patients, be it the doctors, be it the insurance providers, be it any market forces, that is an impediment to them having total control over your health.

00:35:40.920 And if you've got control over people's health, you've got control over people.

00:35:44.420 This is why making the health care industry socialist, why a government takeover of health care is different in kind from takeovers of other industries.

00:35:55.880 It would also be a big deal if the government took over the oil industry.

00:35:59.440 It would be a big deal if they took over the computer industry.

00:36:01.500 It would be a big deal if they took over those industries too. 0.83

00:36:04.280 Health care is something special because it's about your life.

00:36:08.200 It's about life and death.

00:36:09.100 It's about your health.

00:36:10.520 And if they have control over that, people don't always make the most rational choices.

00:36:14.960 They don't always, this is actually how these socialists have been able to infect the health care system is they say, well, the markets for buying a new computer, the markets for buying a new car are very different from the markets when you're deciding which medical tests to take.

00:36:31.900 They have a certain point.

00:36:33.460 We do care more about our health than we care about which car we drive.

00:36:36.620 But nevertheless, human nature doesn't change.

00:36:39.440 And when you can see costs, when you can see incentives, when you can have freedom to choose what kind of care you want to get, you are going to make choices by definition that are more tailored to you, to your preferences, to your health than if some government bureaucrat does it.

00:36:54.260 But that's what they're playing on.

00:36:55.800 That's what the socialists are exploiting.

00:36:58.080 It's a real vulnerability.

00:36:59.680 So Kamala Harris now is tacking back to the other end. 1.00

00:37:02.140 Why?

00:37:02.780 She's responding in many ways to Howard Schultz and she's responding to Mike Bloomberg.

00:37:06.360 Mike Bloomberg, another zillionaire, my former mayor of New York, who was a Republican for five minutes, but he's really a lifelong moderate Democrat and a nanny state kind of guy.

00:37:17.960 He banned smoking in New York.

00:37:19.720 He wants to ban guns.

00:37:21.540 He's just a billionaire, elitist, I know better than you.

00:37:27.000 I'm your benevolent better sort of guy.

00:37:29.340 I mean, he's got the Howard Schultz vibe to him.

00:37:31.740 And he says, quote, I think you could never afford Medicare for all.

00:37:37.040 You're talking about trillions of dollars to replace the entire private system where companies provide health care for their employees would bankrupt us for a very long time.

00:37:45.460 It's just not a practical thing.

00:37:48.240 Yes, of course, that's true.

00:37:49.960 So Kamala Harris today is swinging back.

00:37:52.640 You've got to remember the 2020 race has not even really begun yet.

00:37:55.920 There are a lot of undeclared candidates right now.

00:37:59.120 Not many candidates have declared.

00:38:00.980 And we're going to see which way the wind blows.

00:38:02.780 I mean, politics has been pretty volatile for the last two years.

00:38:07.260 If in the course of one week we can tack back to the center and say we're going to preserve private insurance.

00:38:11.980 No, we're going to have pure socialist single payer government run health care.

00:38:15.320 No, back and forth.

00:38:16.200 We're going to see.

00:38:16.860 And what is going to define which way it blows are the candidates who are in this race.

00:38:22.400 And when you've got 20 candidates in the race plus at least one independent Democrat in Howard Schultz, maybe two independent Democrats in Mike Bloomberg, they're going to define it.

00:38:32.680 It's going to be very volatile.

00:38:34.120 And we're going to see.

00:38:35.160 You know, the only thing we can predict right now is that we can't predict anything.

00:38:38.960 If you had asked a year out from the 2016 election who was going to be the Republican nominee, very few people would have told you Donald Trump.

00:38:47.780 And he in so many ways defined that election.

00:38:51.140 He pushed the bigger issues of immigration.

00:38:55.000 He pushed the issues of defeating ISIS.

00:38:58.160 He pushed the issues of building a wall, securing our country, even economic protection.

00:39:04.260 He pushed all of those things which were not really at the forefront before him.

00:39:09.140 Kamala Harris is obviously not going to be the leader here. 1.00

00:39:11.500 She's the follower.

00:39:12.580 She's the Hillary Clinton. 1.00

00:39:13.920 She's not going to set the tone.

00:39:15.100 She's going to be the weather vane. 0.98

00:39:16.520 But if a candidate is bolder than Kamala Harris and can have the courage to set the tone, probably that's going to be the person who's going to be leading in the field.

00:39:27.220 That's going to be the person that other people are going to follow. 0.97

00:39:30.300 Unfortunately for Democrats right now, they have a whole field of cowards. 0.99

00:39:33.560 They don't have anyone. 0.96

00:39:34.420 You know, for all of her wackiness and wicked ideology, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez would be a candidate that people could rally behind on the Democrat Party. 1.00

00:39:43.040 It's no coincidence that 74% of Democrats say they would vote for her for president.

00:39:47.660 Thank goodness.

00:39:48.380 Mirabile dictu.

00:39:49.320 She's too young to run right now. 1.00

00:39:50.780 But I think that's the sort of thing that our present politics is going to reward.

00:39:54.960 Kamala Harris is a pretty smart candidate. 1.00

00:39:56.740 But if she doesn't get a little bit bolder, she's going to fall way behind, which also wouldn't be a terrible thing.

00:40:02.540 There is – we talked about all the good news in pop culture yesterday as it relates to abortion.

00:40:07.300 People finally realizing that babies are babies, even while politicians like New York's Andrew Cuomo legalized the wholesale slaughter of babies.

00:40:16.160 The pop culture, TV shows, they're kind of understanding it now.

00:40:19.940 They're even making dark jokes about how babies are babies.

00:40:22.600 This is not the case with the transgender ideology.

00:40:25.940 Kate Hudson last week came out and said she was going to raise her daughter genderless. 1.00

00:40:31.460 She said, quote, I think you just raise your kids individually regardless, like a genderless approach. 0.73

00:40:38.940 We still don't know what she's going to identify as.

00:40:41.720 I will say that right now she's incredibly feminine in her energy, her sounds, and her way. 0.99

00:40:47.080 Probably because she's talking about a baby girl.

00:40:49.780 That's probably why she's feminine. 1.00

00:40:51.740 If she were a baby boy, she probably wouldn't be feminine. 1.00

00:40:54.120 She wouldn't be a she. 1.00

00:40:55.220 So now she's coming out and saying, I'm not going to raise my daughter genderless. 0.55

00:40:59.080 Which I don't – does she want mother of the year for that?

00:41:01.000 Does she want a cookie?

00:41:02.380 I'm not going to abuse my child.

00:41:04.140 Oh, great.

00:41:04.900 Good.

00:41:05.300 Hooray.

00:41:05.780 Good job, you know.

00:41:07.580 She's saying she was taken out of context by clickbait websites.

00:41:10.380 But she wasn't.

00:41:11.080 You heard the quote.

00:41:12.020 She said it.

00:41:13.020 That was what she said.

00:41:14.300 And she's buying into a popular culture that pushes this. 0.97

00:41:18.320 I don't watch the show Supergirl because I'm a person and therefore I don't watch – nobody watches this show.

00:41:23.580 But there was a clip going around of it where one of the characters is describing coming from the alien planet Naltor.

00:41:32.800 But that isn't what really defines her identity.

00:41:36.380 So when did your mom come from Naltor?

00:41:41.060 When she was 18.

00:41:42.820 The night before she fled her planet, she had a dream about a farmhouse where she would meet her true love.

00:41:47.940 And she saw a bunch of random coordinates that she plugged into her craft and she landed on Earth in Parthas.

00:41:54.340 A human family took her in, farmers, and she fell in love with their son, my dad.

00:42:01.060 Wow.

00:42:01.900 Yeah.

00:42:03.140 I can't imagine having grown up anywhere else.

00:42:05.800 Because you have parents from two different planets?

00:42:08.040 Yeah, but also because I'm trans.

00:42:11.200 I always knew that I was a girl.

00:42:13.740 My parents were amazing.

00:42:14.940 They affirmed my authentic self and helped me transition young.

00:42:19.080 And I've always been able to be open about who I was in Parthas.

00:42:22.640 I'm not saying it was easy.

00:42:23.680 There were definitely people who didn't understand.

00:42:28.180 But the town's ethos of inclusion is strong.

00:42:31.280 And I think if I grew up anywhere else, it would have been a lot tougher.

00:42:35.540 Thank you for sharing that with me.

00:42:38.020 Of course.

00:42:40.720 This is actually a pretty insightful scene.

00:42:43.300 I mean, it's absurdly written.

00:42:45.520 It's not good art in any way.

00:42:47.660 But it's pretty insightful in its ideology.

00:42:49.440 Because it is, in fact, the case that transgenderism is just as real as the alien planet Naltor. 0.93

00:42:56.740 They are exactly as real.

00:42:58.460 They have exactly as much to do with reality.

00:43:00.860 Science fiction and reality are now indistinguishable on the left.

00:43:04.460 There's no difference.

00:43:05.240 Why is this?

00:43:06.800 In part, I think this is because, as we always say, politics is downstream of culture.

00:43:12.960 Culture comes from the cult and the religion and what one worships.

00:43:16.060 And so we have myths.

00:43:19.100 We have founding myths in our civilization.

00:43:22.060 Myths that seem to bear out throughout many civilizations.

00:43:26.640 The same kinds of stories, the echoes of our ancient past, come out throughout all these various societies.

00:43:33.180 Why?

00:43:33.660 Because they tell us something about our human nature.

00:43:36.100 And then, in the case of Christianity, Christianity is the true myth. 0.98

00:43:40.020 It is where myth and the literal world coincide in a person, in a place, in a time,

00:43:45.940 in the incarnation and in the crucifixion and the resurrection.

00:43:48.660 When those are the stories, real and mythological, that define your world,

00:44:00.520 you have a certain civilization.

00:44:02.020 You have what would have been Western civilization until our postmodern era.

00:44:06.560 But now that that is gone, now that religiosity is on the wane, the nuns are up, 0.95

00:44:11.320 an uncultured generation, a basically ignorant generation has risen up,

00:44:15.620 we still need stories, and so we fill them with kind of weird science fiction.

00:44:21.160 Now the only myths people talk about are Harry Potter or science fiction.

00:44:25.760 The only movies people go see are the superhero movies.

00:44:28.480 They're the only movies that dominate at the box office.

00:44:32.360 The popular culture is very influential.

00:44:35.540 And right now, this transgender question is all throughout pop culture,

00:44:40.680 where it's on Orange is the New Black, Transparent, I Am Kate, Tangerine, A Fantastic Woman,

00:44:46.260 The Danish Girl, on and on.

00:44:47.520 There are like 10 people who are confused about their gender in the country,

00:44:51.280 and there are 10 pieces of pop culture that come out every year on this question.

00:44:56.580 When the culture is saturated, people become numb.

00:44:59.260 So now, it seems perfectly normal.

00:45:02.000 It seems perfectly normal to, I mean, first of all, that isn't a transgender girl or man, 1.00

00:45:07.960 that's a female, that's an actress that's talking about this. 1.00

00:45:11.600 But it becomes numb.

00:45:12.440 We say, oh, there's really no difference between men and women.

00:45:14.900 And so we start confusing children.

00:45:17.080 We start injecting them with hormones, as this scene is advocating.

00:45:20.980 We start putting kids in drag and having men at bars throw dollar bills at them,

00:45:24.780 as is happening now.

00:45:26.060 Now, we begin to abuse children, it seems perfectly natural to us,

00:45:31.100 because we just have these narratives swirling around, but the narratives aren't true.

00:45:36.780 They come from false myths.

00:45:39.000 They come from false stories and false ideas.

00:45:42.720 Everybody's got to serve somebody, and either you will ground your view of the world in reality,

00:45:48.620 in real fact, in true myths, and in the myths, or you will fall into fantasy.

00:45:56.360 And fantasy, when you live out of accordance with reality,

00:45:59.140 it has really terrible effects for people, for society, for politics all around.

00:46:04.900 That's our show.

00:46:05.620 Get your mailbag questions in.

00:46:06.680 In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles.

00:46:08.120 This is The Michael Knowles Show.

00:46:09.240 I'll see you tomorrow.

00:46:09.780 The Michael Knowles Show.

00:46:39.760 I'm Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:46:42.080 You know what I dislike? 1.00

00:46:43.320 Killing babies and killing Jews. 1.00

00:46:45.160 And yet it seems that the Democrats are determined to do both. 1.00

00:46:48.400 We will talk about that on The Andrew Klavan Show.

00:46:50.680 I'm Andrew Klavan.

The Michael Knowles Show - January 30, 2019

Ep. 289 - Grievance Studies

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