The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 620 - Trump Or Surrender

00:00:00.000 In case you missed last night's presidential debate between President Trump and Joe Biden,

00:00:05.160 I will sum it up for you in seven seconds.

00:00:16.340 That was it. That was the debate. Except instead of seven seconds, it was 90 minutes of that.

00:00:21.900 The debate was mostly a draw and a missed opportunity. And President Trump spent most

00:00:26.920 of the time debating the moderator, Chris Wallace. But there was a point. President Trump did get a

00:00:33.620 very important message out to people. And everyone seems to have missed it. But it was a very important

00:00:39.340 message. It was actually worth that 90 minutes of yammering and screaming and heckling, which we

00:00:45.320 will get into. I'm Michael Knowles. This is The Michael Knowles Show. Welcome back to the show.

00:00:56.520 My favorite comment from yesterday comes from Top10Guy1, who says, for Democrats,

00:01:02.520 stopping them from cheating equals voter suppression. Lol. Yes, that's true. It is

00:01:07.960 voters because the Democrats don't want you to disenfranchise all of those dead voters in Ohio,

00:01:15.120 all of those family pets that have been dead for 20 years, all of those illegal aliens, 1.00

00:01:21.400 foreign nationals. They don't want you to disenfranchise those people. That would be

00:01:25.380 suppression of votes that should, should not be cast in the first place. If you watched the debate

00:01:32.120 last night, you probably left disappointed, regardless of what side you were on. Probably

00:01:37.600 if you were to sum up the debate, you'd say that Trump won it. You got, he got more zingers in. He

00:01:44.420 seemed more lively. And yet probably Biden supporters are happier this morning than, than Trump supporters

00:01:50.800 because Biden is allegedly ahead in the polls and because Biden didn't completely collapse on the

00:01:56.220 stage. And because the moderator, Chris Wallace constantly ran interference for Joe Biden, bailed

00:02:02.320 him out of a lot of tight spots and was downright rude to president Trump. President Trump got some

00:02:08.020 zingers in. He did, he did hit some points that were substantive. And I think you'd be able to break

00:02:13.720 out and put in some campaign commercials. The first one was framing this, the, the strongest issue for

00:02:21.040 Democrats, healthcare. That's the one they always come back to, even when healthcare has absolutely

00:02:25.400 nothing to do with the election or the issues at hand. So what president Trump did was flip it and

00:02:30.860 show how a Joe Biden presidency would destroy American healthcare. What I proposed is that, uh,

00:02:38.340 we expand Obamacare and we increase it. We do not wipe any. And one of the big debates we had with

00:02:45.080 23 of my colleagues trying to win the nomination that I won, we're saying that Biden wanted to allow

00:02:51.560 people to have private insurance still. They can, they do, they will under my proposal.

00:02:57.040 It's not what you've said. And it's not what your party has said.

00:02:59.280 That is simply a lie.

00:03:00.080 Your party doesn't say it. Your party wants to go socialist medicine and socialist healthcare.

00:03:05.080 Right now I am. And they're going to dominate you, Joe. You know that I am the democratic party

00:03:09.480 right now. Your party wants socialist medicine and socialist healthcare, and they're going to

00:03:14.080 dominate you, Joe. You know that this was a very smart framing here, which is not to say Joe Biden

00:03:19.020 is a radical. He's a far leftist. He's a socialist because nobody believes that Joe Biden's been in

00:03:23.960 office since before Karl Marx was born. Joe Biden's been around a long time. He's positioned himself at

00:03:29.800 various times as a moderate and at other times he's moved further to the left. So that,

00:03:34.960 that wouldn't be persuasive. But what we do know, what is undeniable is that Joe Biden is weak.

00:03:40.360 He's a weak front runner. He's a weak leader of his party. He's a weak presidential nominee,

00:03:44.200 and he will be swayed and dominated by other members of the party. Actually, when that,

00:03:49.880 that communist woman, Angela Davis, this, this awful far left woman who is very influential in the 0.94

00:03:58.180 democratic party, when she endorsed Joe Biden, she said, I'm endorsing Joe Biden, not because I think

00:04:03.840 he's a radical, but because I think that we can bully him into doing what we want. Same thing is

00:04:09.100 true of Bob Avakian, the head of the revolutionary communist party in America. He said, yeah, I'm going

00:04:14.780 to endorse Joe Biden because we're going to be able to bully him. So that was the point Trump picked up

00:04:18.260 on. That I think is persuasive because people who still have horrible memories of Obamacare losing

00:04:23.460 their doctor premiums going up. They're going to remember, oh, wait a second. Joe Biden's now promising

00:04:27.700 more socialist healthcare. Joe Biden was in part responsible for, for the Obamacare mess. I don't

00:04:33.280 think I want any part of that. That was a good zinger. Trump also got in one line. They clearly

00:04:37.520 had written it out and rehearsed it about Joe Biden's pie in the sky promises and the likelihood

00:04:43.700 that they're actually going to come true. He says he's smart because he can take advantage of the tax

00:04:48.660 code and he does take advantage of the tax code. That's why I'm going to eliminate the Trump tax cuts

00:04:54.040 and we're going to, we're going to eliminate those taxes and make sure that we invest in the people

00:04:59.220 who in fact need the help people out there need help. But why didn't you do it over the last 25

00:05:05.220 years? Because you weren't president screwing things up. You were a Senator. You're the worst

00:05:11.320 president America has ever had. Let me just tell you, Joe, I've done more in, in 47 months. I've done

00:05:18.840 more than you've done in 47 years, Joe. Oh, that's a good line. That is some of these scripted

00:05:25.200 lines are not that good. And they kind of go over as groaners, which Joe Biden had one of those later

00:05:29.780 in the debate. He said, you, you say it's the art of the deal. You do the art of the steel.

00:05:37.360 Oh, please clap. Please. It was like so lame, but that's a good line. I've done more in 47 months

00:05:43.340 than you've done in 47 years, because you have to look at the timeline of Joe Biden. You say, okay,

00:05:47.260 a guy gets elected to the Senate in 1973, Senate, Senate, Senate, Senate, Senate, Senate,

00:05:52.180 Senate, Senate, Senate, Senate, Senate, Senate, Vice president, Vice president, Vice president,

00:05:57.180 Vice president. And he's out, he's running for office. But now he's going to change everything.

00:06:02.760 Now he just needed 46 years headstart. And now starting in this 47th year, now he's going to

00:06:09.720 change everything. Trump made another good point when, when Biden was hitting him on the tax code,

00:06:14.240 he said, Joe, you wrote the tax bill. You're the one who gave me these tax advantages. So that was

00:06:21.480 a good zinger. I think you can break that out. You're going to see some t-shirts of I've done more

00:06:24.820 in 47 months than you've done in 47 years. And then the, I thought the best hit, it was the closest

00:06:29.740 thing that Trump got to a clean hit of the night. It wasn't a major hit, but it's, it could be somewhat

00:06:35.220 useful is Joe Biden was talking about how cops like him so much. And Trump said, name one,

00:06:40.380 name one law enforcement agency that supports you. He has no law enforcement. That's not true.

00:06:47.280 Almost. That's not, look, who do you have? Name one group that supports you. Name one group that

00:06:52.480 came out and supported you. Go ahead. I think we have time. We don't have time to do anything.

00:06:57.620 All right. All right. One law enforcement group that came out and supported you.

00:07:02.560 Gentlemen, I think I'm going to, I'm going to take back the moderator's role and I want to get

00:07:06.560 to another subject, which is the issue of protests in many cities that have turned violent.

00:07:13.020 Gentlemen, gentlemen, I have to interject here because the president just landed a brutal blow

00:07:18.720 on Joe Biden. So we cannot, uh, Mr. Biden, don't answer that. I'll don't, I'll step in. You obviously

00:07:23.760 can't step in, but I'll step in. I'm Chris Wallace, the moderator. Yeah. The mod is, he's just trying to

00:07:30.680 moderate all of the attacks. He's trying to temper all of the attacks that Trump landed on Joe Biden.

00:07:36.060 It was, uh, there, there were a few moments that were pretty brutal where, where I felt Joe was

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00:09:01.600 Joe Biden also landed some, I wouldn't say he landed blows. He, he just landed insults. They were both

00:09:09.180 insulting one another. I felt Trump got cleaner hits in against Joe Biden. Joe Biden, for all the talk

00:09:15.420 we hear of civility and the soul of America and how Donald Trump is taking down the tone of our public

00:09:21.500 discourse, Joe Biden was much nastier and more childish than Donald Trump much. It wasn't even

00:09:27.320 close. Joe Biden said things that were shameful, downright shameful to say to the president of the

00:09:33.140 United States, called him a clown, yelled at him to shut up and called him that classic, the classic

00:09:38.940 insult. That means it means any type of bad person called him a racist.

00:09:45.720 You agreed with Bernie Sanders on a plan. Folks, do you have any idea what this mom's doing? 0.99

00:09:55.880 Socialized medicine. Mr. President, I tell you what, vote now. Make sure you in fact let people

00:10:01.660 know you're a senator. I'm not going to answer the question because the question is, the question is,

00:10:07.720 radical left. Will you shut up, man? Listen, who is on your list, Joe? Who's on your list? Gentlemen,

00:10:14.600 I think we've ended this. He's going to pack the court. We're not going to give a list. We have

00:10:18.820 ended this segment. We're going to move on to the second segment. That was really a productive

00:10:22.780 segment, wasn't it? Keep yapping, man. The people understand, Joe. 47 years, you've done nothing.

00:10:30.060 They understand. All right. They were teaching people that our country is a horrible place. It's a racist

00:10:35.600 place. And they were teaching people to hate our country. And I'm not going to allow that to

00:10:40.180 happen. Vice President Biden, nobody's doing that. He's just, he's a racist. You just don't. Here's

00:10:45.300 the deal. I know a lot more about this. Let him finish. So unpresidential. I'm not going to defend

00:10:52.120 Trump's badgering the whole night, though. I actually, I do have a point on Trump's badgering

00:10:56.680 generally. I felt it was ineffective because he did it too much. But generally, we will get to that.

00:11:02.840 Who was more or less presidential here? Trump was much more presidential. And I get it that

00:11:10.440 the badgering is sort of tedious. I get it. It is unacceptable, childish, stupid, disrespectful,

00:11:20.420 rude, wrong to tell the president of the United States to shut up. I find the phrase shut up to be

00:11:28.020 one of the rudest phrases you can utter. You have to do it very selectively. One time when Ronald

00:11:34.020 Reagan was being shouted down by a whole horde of these awful anti-American hippies, he famously told

00:11:40.360 me, he goes, oh, shut up. You know, he's like sort of half joking. And it was, that was an effective

00:11:44.460 use of that term. When you use that term just in normal conversation, it's incredibly rude. You could

00:11:50.280 instead use a much more vile, vulgar sort of word, and it would be less rude than that.

00:11:56.320 Say, call him a clown. The president of the United States, a clown. And then to say,

00:11:59.900 he's a racist. I just don't, that phrase, maybe at some point it had some meaning. It certainly

00:12:08.120 doesn't anymore. George Orwell in politics in the English language said that the term fascist now

00:12:12.880 has no meaning. It just means some, something that is not desirable, something that I don't like.

00:12:17.280 Well, the same is true of racist. There's no, it doesn't matter. There's no, it, even if somebody

00:12:22.340 had racial bigotry, racial prejudices, the term doesn't matter. The term, even if you walked up

00:12:28.780 to David Duke, you walked up to the head of the Ku Klux Klan and you said, you're a racist.

00:12:32.260 The phrase itself has been deprived of meaning because of people like Joe Biden is he says,

00:12:37.060 you're, ah, I can't, oh, well, man, I lost my train of thought and I can't, gosh, Trump's

00:12:41.140 off footing me with the badge. You're a racist. You're a racist. It was pathetic. It's totally

00:12:45.740 pathetic. Then at certain moments, Joe Biden actually, beyond the petty insults, actually

00:12:52.720 seemed to undermine his own arguments. So when they were sniping at each other over the lockdowns,

00:12:59.160 Joe Biden seemed to come out against the lockdowns.

00:13:03.620 I'll tell you, Joe, you could never have done the job that we did. You don't have it in your

00:13:07.500 blood. You could have never done that job.

00:13:09.500 I know how to do the job. I know how to get the job.

00:13:12.700 Well, you didn't do very well in swine flu. H1N1, you were a disaster. Your own chief

00:13:17.960 14,000 people died, not 200,000. There was no economic recession.

00:13:24.480 You made a point.

00:13:26.740 You made a point. Let him answer it.

00:13:28.140 And there was no one. There's no, we didn't shut down the economy. This is his economy.

00:13:33.040 He shut down.

00:13:35.760 What? First of all, H1N1, I mean, this is why the attack on H1N1, I see why Trump launched

00:13:42.060 it, but because the two diseases are so incomparable. And then he tried to make that point

00:13:47.860 later, right? He said it was much less lethal, but because they're so, he left himself open

00:13:51.320 to that, that counterattack. But I didn't expect Joe's counterattack to say, well, we didn't shut

00:13:55.940 down the economy for H1N1. Joe, you're, it's you guys who are trying to shut down the economy now.

00:14:01.900 Trump wants to open the economy. And just five seconds ago, you were demagoguing the issue

00:14:05.980 and saying Trump's killing people because he won't shut down the economy. So what is it?

00:14:09.920 Do the Democrats want to shut down the economy or do they want to open up the economy? Right now,

00:14:14.120 it's only the democratic governors practically who are trying to keep it shut down, right? Gavin

00:14:18.880 Newsom, uh, the mayor, Eric Garcetti in Los Angeles, Andrew Cuomo, governor of New York,

00:14:24.700 Bill de Blasio, mayor in New York. It's all the Democrats who want to shut it down.

00:14:28.840 So, but Joe, this is the trouble with being a cynical, empty suit politician.

00:14:34.220 He doesn't have any beliefs. It's not just that he's lying. It's that he has no regard for the truth.

00:14:38.780 So he says, okay, now it's, now it's good to hit him for the lockdowns. And it doesn't even occur

00:14:44.480 to him like, wait a second, but we were the ones pushing the lockdowns on him or argue. I just

00:14:48.780 undercut our argument. That doesn't matter. And I think for a lot of his partisans, it probably

00:14:52.300 won't matter much either. And then the most ridiculous thing Biden said all night beyond

00:14:56.760 the petty insults, which you kind of expect he was, he was asked to condemn Antifa and he

00:15:04.300 held the party line. He said Antifa doesn't exist. Somebody's got to do something about Antifa and

00:15:10.440 the left, because this is not a right wing problem. This is a left wing. This is a left

00:15:16.000 wing problem. Antifa is an idea, not an organization, not malicious. That's what

00:15:22.080 his FBI, his FBI director said. Well, then you know what? No, no, no, we're done. We're

00:15:27.680 done, sir. Antifa, we're done. We're done, Mr. Trump. You can't, please don't respond to

00:15:31.540 that because that statement that Joe made was so obviously indefensible that please, please

00:15:35.620 don't respond. We've got to move on. New segment, new segment. We got to go. That's the sacred,

00:15:39.560 sacred new segment. Antifa's an idea, not an organization. Antifa may be an idea,

00:15:46.740 uh, but it's an idea that has gotten into people's heads and those people wear uniforms and they wave

00:15:53.060 a flag and they march and organize together. That is an organization. You could say this,

00:15:59.080 you could say, look, look, fascism is an idea. It's not an organization, which is true. Uh,

00:16:06.500 but in Mussolini's Italy, that idea was embodied by people who wore black shirts and committed violence

00:16:11.740 in the streets. Nazism is an idea. It's not an organization. Sure. It is an idea. It was 0.89

00:16:16.720 embodied by people who wore brown shirts and worked for Adolf Hitler in Germany, right? Well,

00:16:21.540 uh, communism is an idea. It's not an organization. Sure. But it manifests in organizations and Antifa

00:16:26.900 has a real organization right now. Coincidentally, members of Antifa are alternately anarchists and

00:16:32.460 communists and all sorts of miscreants and ne'er-do-wells and very bad people.

00:16:37.080 We know that they exist. I can see the videos of them waving their flag. That is the definition

00:16:42.240 of an organization, but they can't cop to it. And so Trump's getting a lot of, uh,

00:16:46.260 flack right now because they, they pulled out the typical court. They say, Trump, do you condemn

00:16:49.940 white supremacists? He goes, sure. Yeah. Okay. I, yes. I defend white supremacists or I, pardon me.

00:16:55.160 I condemn white supremacists. Uh, who do you want me to condemn? Who do you want me to condemn?

00:17:01.000 And they say the Prad boys. Okay. Yeah. Prad boys go away. Okay. Yeah. Do we do it? But Joe,

00:17:05.540 you're defending Antifa. And Joe says, there's no such thing as Antifa. Now you've, you've heard in some

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00:17:18.520 Okay. And the, uh, it became a one versus two debate, which made the whole thing much more

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00:18:59.180 There was this secret threat that came into the debate though. I'm sure Trump predicted it. And that

00:19:03.520 was Chris Wallace. Chris Wallace, I believe is a Democrat, but he's on Fox news and Fox news is

00:19:08.280 supposed to be the sort of conservative news channel. And we're only getting one debate.

00:19:13.540 One of these debates will be moderated by us. Someone who even has an association really with

00:19:18.500 conservatives. And it was this unfair, this unfair. So what are the other ones going to be like?

00:19:25.780 What, when you've got actual, not just regular old left-wingers, but left-wingers at totally 100%

00:19:34.320 left-wing networks, not just sort of middle of the road networks. What's that two-on-one going to

00:19:39.320 look like? Trump called him out at one point. Trump said, oh, Craig, okay, Chris, I didn't realize I

00:19:43.140 wasn't billed to be debating you tonight, but that's fine. No big deal.

00:19:46.400 The individual mandate was the most unpopular aspect of Obamacare. I got rid of it. And we

00:19:52.360 will protect people. Mr. President, I'm the moderator of this debate. And I would like you

00:19:56.100 to let me ask my question and then you can answer your question. You, in the course of these four

00:20:01.360 years, have never come up with a comprehensive plan to replace Obamacare. And just this last Thursday,

00:20:09.100 yesterday, you signed a largely symbolic executive order to protect people with preexisting conditions

00:20:17.000 five days before this debate. So my question, sir, is what is the Trump health care plan?

00:20:22.960 Well, first of all, I guess I'm debating you, not him, but that's okay. I'm not surprised. Let

00:20:26.900 me just tell you something. There's nothing symbolic. I'm cutting drug prices. I'm going with

00:20:32.080 favored nations, which no president has the courage to do because you're going against big pharma.

00:20:36.600 Now, drug prices will be coming down 80 or 90%. You could have done it during your 47 year period

00:20:42.680 in government, but you didn't do it. And Wallace, he goes on that line, whenever you call out the

00:20:48.120 moderator, the moderator does have to take a little bit of a step back, but not for very long. And it

00:20:52.580 was pretty pathetic. Even Chris Wallace's Fox News colleagues, some of them privately, but, uh, but

00:20:58.340 many of them even publicly said this was not a great performance. And you could see they were

00:21:03.840 posting it all on, on Twitter last night. It was too much. That is always at risk. I remember I did

00:21:11.980 a debate with, with a Fox News Democrat at Politicon. This was, I guess a year ago and almost exactly a

00:21:17.840 year ago over in Nashville. And the, the moderator was Clay Aiken and the Fox News Democrat was, uh,

00:21:24.380 Chris Hahn, the bald guy, Chris Hahn called me skinny boy. And, uh, so I, I prepared the debate

00:21:29.620 against Chris Hahn. But at the very last minute I realized, wait a second,

00:21:34.160 there's another guy here who's the, technically the moderator, but I know that Clay Aiken ran for

00:21:40.720 office as a Democrat. I know that Clay Aiken probably has political views and I know how these

00:21:46.940 debates tend to go against conservatives. So I said, you know, last minute, I'm just going to do a

00:21:51.640 little, little research on, on Clay Aiken just to make sure I go. So I go into the debate.

00:21:55.860 Okay. Chris Hahn and I basically did not debate. That was, Chris Hahn was just like kind of a

00:22:01.600 wallflower though. I mean, we got a few barbs in or whatever. The actual debate was against the

00:22:07.720 moderator, Clay Aiken. And that's what happened last night. Joe Biden did, did not come with his

00:22:13.260 best or maybe he did come with his best, but his best ain't very much these days. And frankly,

00:22:16.860 it wasn't even that much during the height of his career in the eighties and nineties.

00:22:19.840 Trump had to debate Chris Wallace. So it does raise questions about the ground rules for the

00:22:27.520 debate and for the strategy. The first thing I'll say about, about how this came out, which I think

00:22:32.940 was a draw. I don't think it moved the needle one little bit, one way or the other. Incumbents lose

00:22:39.840 the first debate. That happens all the time. You remember it with Barack Obama. He got crushed in

00:22:45.840 the first debate by Mitt Romney in 2012 and Mitt Romney, right? It's not exactly the fiercest debater

00:22:52.040 out there. He ran roughshod over Barack Obama. Ronald Reagan, very famously got crushed in the

00:22:59.940 first debate to Walter Mondale in 1984. Ronald Reagan, this is, there was plenty of reporting on

00:23:05.200 this. According to, to Lou Cannon, who's written about this, said as soon as Reagan left the stage,

00:23:11.560 he confessed to his advisor, Stu Spencer, that he had flopped. You had Mondale walking off of the

00:23:20.580 stage saying to an aide, this guy is gone. Meaning he mentally wasn't all there. Kind of the thing we

00:23:26.920 would say about Joe Biden. Two days after the debate, the RNC chairman, Paul Laxalt held a press

00:23:32.720 conference admitting that Reagan had done a bad job and said, no, but it wasn't because his brain has

00:23:38.200 turned to mush. It's because the briefing process didn't work very well. You know, the preparation

00:23:43.240 process didn't work any well. And he, he just got clobbered. And then he came back and crushed

00:23:49.980 Mondale in the later debate. Same thing with Obama. Obama came back with the help of the moderator,

00:23:54.280 quote unquote, Candy Crowley and crushed Romney in the remainder of the debates. So I'm not too worried.

00:24:00.360 If you have a little bit of an historical view, you say this isn't going to change anything.

00:24:03.140 The trouble with last night's debate is it was exhausting. That was, I was watching it there

00:24:07.340 with Ben, Jeremy and Drew. We just said like, oh gosh, guys, I got, I don't have enough hours in

00:24:12.280 my life to sit through this. It's not, there's nothing productive about this. It's so exhausting.

00:24:18.180 And that's true. That's true. And we had a little bit of a disagreement because we all thought that

00:24:24.780 Trump interrupted too much, but I think Ben was harsher on it than I was. And Ben kept bringing up this

00:24:32.100 point. This is, this is exhausting and this isn't good and it's going to turn away voters.

00:24:35.660 But the reason I disagree with that a little bit is Trump has to be exhausting. He has to be,

00:24:43.740 if he wants to do anything that matters as a conservative. Now you don't need to be exhausting

00:24:50.680 if you want to just go along and get along with the liberal establishment, because then you'll be

00:24:56.380 treated relatively well. You know, they'll still probably beat you, but maybe they'll let you get in

00:25:00.300 as long as you play the game, as long as you as a conservative play your role as the court jester in

00:25:05.320 the kingdom of liberalism, they'll more or less let you get along. But if you actually threaten

00:25:09.560 things in the way that Trump has done, if you threaten their global trade regime, if you threaten

00:25:14.680 their open borders regime, if you threaten the loss of national sovereignty to international and

00:25:19.660 transnational organizations, as Trump has done, unlike any of his predecessors, frankly, even

00:25:24.900 including Ronald Reagan, if you do that, they are all going to come at you all of the time.

00:25:31.900 Hollywood, the mainstream media, obviously the democratic politicians, the bureaucracy that

00:25:36.280 tried to have a coup d'etat and overthrow the 2016 election and kick him out of office,

00:25:40.780 higher education, lower education, the technology companies now, which are threatening to censor

00:25:45.340 conservatives on election night. All of these things are coming to, and they're already censoring

00:25:51.540 conservatives. They're already censoring even the president of the United States, saying that he's

00:25:54.940 posting misinformation when certainly that is not the case. All of these things are going to come

00:25:59.340 after you. If you want to break through that at all, you have to badger. It's the same disagreement

00:26:04.420 about the tweets. You hear some conservatives say, I hate the tweets, he's got to stop tweeting.

00:26:08.940 Then you hear other ones like me who say, I love the tweets. I get that the tweets can be annoying

00:26:13.180 and sometimes they can be a little bit destructive, but the tweets are essential. You've got to keep

00:26:19.340 badgering because it's the only way that you can break through that liberal establishment.

00:26:23.920 That's the, you know, Ronald Reagan famously said, there's only one guaranteed way that you can have

00:26:28.940 peace and you can have it in the next minute. Surrender. Yeah. If you surrender to the left,

00:26:35.400 then you can, it'll all be genial and nice. Oh, old Joe's a return to normalcy.

00:26:40.880 I don't like the normalcy. The normalcy was very bad. The normalcy is leading our country

00:26:45.360 off of a cliff. The normalcy that we're talking about has led to a place where we've, we've probably

00:26:52.420 haven't been this racially divided in 50 years. We've never been this sexually divided because of

00:26:57.980 the advent of these new identity groups that have cropped up. We've never hated our country more.

00:27:03.160 It's now controversial to listen to the national anthem and stand up and support your country.

00:27:06.700 It's now controversial to recite the pledge of allegiance or salute the flag. We've never hated

00:27:12.080 our history more tearing down statues of George Washington, Thomas Jefferson. We've never been

00:27:16.080 stupider. And this is the biggest problem with this debate is how stupid it was. It was so dumb.

00:27:21.420 And that's not just a perennial complaint and every generation feels that, that, oh gosh,

00:27:26.460 things used to be better. They actually were better when it comes to the American mind and the

00:27:31.080 American public discourse. Okay. When you compare this debate, right, which I think is a consequential

00:27:37.780 one. I think 2020 is going to be extremely consequential because you've got so radically different

00:27:41.540 visions for the country. Compare that to the Lincoln-Douglas debates, which also were consequential.

00:27:47.240 They also were about an essential fundamental question in the country, slavery. The question

00:27:52.140 was so essential that you had a bloody civil war where almost 700,000 Americans died over it.

00:27:58.240 The Lincoln-Douglas debates were substantive. The rhetoric from both sides, more so from Lincoln,

00:28:03.320 but from both sides, the rhetoric, the oratory was serious. It was contemplative. It reflected a deep

00:28:09.880 mind, two deep minds actually, with a deep understanding of the issues. And last night was

00:28:15.180 just, yeah, come on, man, you're Bayer racist, man. You're shut up clown, you man. And it was

00:28:21.500 just pathetic. Mostly Joe Biden, much less so Trump. Trump got his Trumpy lines and he's a reality TV

00:28:27.420 star, sure. But Joe Biden was the much more pathetic one. Pitiful. I won't even say pathetic. He didn't,

00:28:33.280 he didn't evoke much, much compassionate feeling in me for him. It was, it was sad. Makes people sad

00:28:39.860 for the country. And if you, if you want to have that return to normalcy and just give it to Joe

00:28:44.080 Biden, fine, you're going to get more of that, more of that degradation. Sometimes the only way out is

00:28:49.360 through. Dante famously in his comedy, where he's trying to get up to heaven and, and behold the

00:28:55.260 beatific vision. He's got to go all the way down through hell. Sometimes the only way out

00:28:59.960 is through. There were lots and lots of lies, not just in the debate, but that the typical lies

00:29:06.160 coming from the mainstream media, it's going to involve a lot more pestering.

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00:31:26.760 We'll be right back with a lot more. Give you an example of a clear lie. There was an anonymous

00:31:44.220 report confirmed by, confirmed quote unquote by anonymous people that said that Trump called the

00:31:49.280 troops fallen soldiers, idiots and losers and suckers and that sort of thing. No evidence,

00:31:54.640 zero evidence that this ever happened. You have over 25 people gone on the record,

00:31:59.060 even people who don't like Trump on the record saying, no, I was there. He never said that.

00:32:02.520 That's complete BS. This was a story published by the Atlantic. Doesn't matter because they were

00:32:06.960 clearly connected to the Joe Biden campaign as Joe Biden immediately makes ads using that story

00:32:12.200 within hours of the story coming out. So Joe Biden launches that attack on Trump. Then Trump points

00:32:17.560 out, he says, wait, Joe, there's video of you calling the troops stupid bastards.

00:32:20.520 Joe Biden flat out denies it. He made a statement about the military. He said, I said something

00:32:27.500 about the military. He and his friends made it up and then they went with it. I never said it.

00:32:32.220 Okay. That is what he did. He said, he called the military stupid bastards.

00:32:37.400 I did not say it. He said stupid bastards. Stop. I would never say that. I would play it.

00:32:44.720 Play it. I love Chris Wallace. Stop it. Stop it. Trump. You're saying things that are true

00:32:50.120 and they're not nice about Joe. Stop. Please cut the feed. Cut his mic. So ridiculous. But you heard

00:32:56.920 the important exchange here. Joe Biden called the troops stupid bastards. Joe Biden said, I did not say

00:33:01.980 that. Roll the tape. One, I married Jill and two, I appointed Johnson to the academy. I just want you

00:33:10.220 to know that. Just clap for that. You stupid bastards. We have the tape. He is talking to a 0.98

00:33:19.000 whole audience of military. So let's clap for that. You stupid bastards. You called them stupid

00:33:25.460 bastards. I did not. How dare you? So he lies. And then Chris Wallace, stop, please. No. Oh gosh.

00:33:33.160 People are going to Google it. If you mention it a couple more times and that's it. That's it. The

00:33:36.620 only way you can break through is if you, if you hammer these things and you make it such an issue

00:33:41.240 that even if you get the negative attention for yourself, people take a look, Google it themselves.

00:33:45.840 Those are the lies we're up against. I'll give you an example of another lie that we're up against.

00:33:48.980 So you remember the Atlantic hit piece that said that Trump called the military suckers and losers.

00:33:57.680 No evidence of that. Here's another one. Also from the Atlantic, Trump secretly mocks his Christian

00:34:03.860 supporters. Former aides say that in private, the president has spoken with cynicism and contempt

00:34:11.280 about believers. You don't even really need to read this. It's like, okay, we were, oh, they've,

00:34:17.680 they're quoting Michael Cohen, the criminal degenerate traitor lawyer to Donald Trump. Coward

00:34:24.480 hack, uh, who's now in prison, right? Or maybe they let him out because he was afraid of getting

00:34:30.860 the woo flu or something. Okay. Blah, blah, blah. I don't, there's not, I don't even need to really

00:34:35.300 read this. Do you think that Donald Trump hates Christians? Ask yourself that. Do you think Donald

00:34:40.580 Trump hates Christians? Joe Biden in the Biden Obama administration, that administration,

00:34:47.680 sued nuns, took it all the way up through the courts because they wanted the nuns to pay for 0.87

00:34:56.420 abortion drugs. Sued nuns. Donald Trump doesn't do that. Donald Trump supports religious liberty,

00:35:08.620 supports churches. When the left went over and burned down one of the most famous churches in the

00:35:16.720 country, St. John's over in Washington, DC, right by the white house, Donald Trump walked over there,

00:35:23.960 dispersed the crowd of rioters and held up the Bible as a sign of support. And you know what happened?

00:35:29.440 Democrats attacked Trump for doing that. Which side do you think supports Christianity? Which side

00:35:34.900 do you think holds Christianity in contempt? How many churches have been burned down,

00:35:39.320 uh, graffitied up, attacked, smashed by the left in the, in the last two months? Countless.

00:35:47.360 Which do you think? This story was, I mean, I, what is the meat of this story that Trump has made some

00:35:53.560 jokes maybe? I don't know. I guess I have no doubt that Trump has made jokes about, uh, religious

00:35:57.820 people. I've made plenty of jokes about religious people, many of them on this show. Is that, that's 0.98

00:36:02.720 the issue? No. Question is who supports Christianity? Trump or Joe Biden? Joe Biden, who was denied

00:36:09.220 communion because he is in grave scandal and mortal sin. Obviously, obviously Trump is the supporter

00:36:15.620 of people of faith, religious liberty, Christianity in particular.

00:36:20.220 This gets to that, that issue of the cynicism, right? Joe Biden undermining his own attacks because

00:36:25.700 we've been told the last few weeks, Joe Biden's a devout Catholic. Sure. He doesn't believe the

00:36:30.280 stuff the Catholic church believes and sure he was denied communion rightly so by a priest,

00:36:34.800 but he is devout. And that's so wonderful. But also Amy Barrett's a complete nut job because 0.96

00:36:39.820 she actually believes in Catholicism. Well, hold on. I thought it was good to believe in because 0.99

00:36:44.800 you said it was, he's a devout Catholic and that's a good, but then you, someone actually,

00:36:49.380 and Dianne Feinstein's worried that the dogma lives loudly within her and Dick Durbin doesn't

00:36:52.660 know what it means to have orthodoxy in your religion. They're trying to have it both ways,

00:36:58.160 which is what makes an article like that complete trash, but that's what you're up against.

00:37:03.600 So Trump's got his work cut out for him. The one, the one substantive point I want to

00:37:08.800 tell Republicans and president Trump in particular that I think is always a misstep. Trump made it

00:37:14.760 last night is Trump went after Joe Biden on the 1994 crime bill. He went after Joe Biden for being

00:37:21.940 too tough on crime, which is a completely misguided attack. Republicans are launching this, I think is

00:37:28.060 a matter of racial pandering. And I actually find it racially very uncomfortable because it conflates 0.97

00:37:33.280 black people with criminals, like as a complete overlap, right? You're saying, no, look, 0.93

00:37:37.660 I'm really good for black people. Look, I'm letting them all out of prison. You said, no, no, I don't 1.00

00:37:41.060 think innocent black people want to identify themselves with a bunch of criminals who've, 0.68

00:37:47.040 who've done heinous things. The 1994 crime bill is the only good thing Joe Biden's ever done in his

00:37:52.800 political career. It makes me more likely to vote for him. If you mentioned the 94 crime bill,

00:37:57.340 the first step act, the jail spring act that, that Trump passed, it actually makes me less likely to

00:38:03.560 vote for Trump. I'm obviously going to support Trump regardless, but it's my least favorite

00:38:07.560 thing probably that he's done in his administration. It's, it's the wrong line of attack. It's not

00:38:13.560 going to work. It's, uh, it's, it's undercutting their other arguments on law and order. Give you

00:38:18.520 an example, give you an example of how the left is just by its own nature, very weak on crime.

00:38:24.620 There was a, a guy, a murderer who just got executed. He finally got his, his punishment,

00:38:30.480 his just punishment, which is capital punishment. The U S plans to execute a man for a crime he

00:38:37.660 committed at 19. Scientists say the research on brain development makes that wrong. So first of all,

00:38:45.840 the, the scientists say by the left's own premises cannot have a conclusion in a moral argument,

00:38:56.320 because what the left has said is that there is science, right? Physical science, and that you

00:39:00.480 can't derive an ought from an is. You can't derive moral conclusions from the physical world. That's,

00:39:06.080 that's the basis of this whole physical science that we're talking about. But what they're,

00:39:09.840 what are they trying to do? They're trying to derive, um, a moral conclusion from the physical

00:39:13.720 world, right? But they're saying those things are supposed to be totally separate. Scientists and

00:39:17.880 philosophers are supposed to be totally separate, but they don't separate them when it works for

00:39:22.040 them. So they'll say, yeah, science says you gotta, you gotta lock yourself in your home for the next 10

00:39:25.240 years. Because science, science says that. No, nothing, nothing about science as they understand

00:39:30.460 it would suggest that. It gets more complicated because one actually probably can derive an ought

00:39:36.300 from it, from an is. One probably actually can derive moral conclusions from the physical world. But that,

00:39:41.760 that argument is for another day. And that's certainly not what the, what the left is trying

00:39:45.060 to do. They're actually trying to invert that traditional understanding of things. The man committed a

00:39:49.520 crime at 19 and now he's got to pay for, first of all, he should have been executed at 19,

00:39:52.620 right? It should, he shouldn't have been languishing on, on death row for the past 21 years. They should

00:39:57.720 have just executed him for his crime. But then they're trying to racially demagogue it because

00:40:01.760 apparently, apparently this guy is black. He doesn't look black to me, but I guess he's black.

00:40:05.740 So a number of the, the, uh, articles about this and the tweets about this have said the U S is going

00:40:10.280 to execute a black man. And the premise of BLM is that any black man who's in prison is there unjustly

00:40:16.200 because we have a new kind of slavery and I don't know, they were all set up or something.

00:40:20.240 Let me tell you this guy's crime. Christopher Vialva, Christopher Vialva bummed a ride from two

00:40:27.840 youth ministers, a couple, a young couple, a man and his wife. He robbed them. He kidnapped them

00:40:33.700 and he stuffed them in the trunk. He then drove around for hours and tried to pawn the wife's wedding

00:40:40.500 ring, apparently unsuccessfully. He then opened up the trunk and while they were pleading for their

00:40:46.500 lives, the wife was reading him the Bible to convert him. He shot them both in the head, but the wife

00:40:54.700 didn't die right away. So he set their bodies on fire and then they died.

00:41:05.000 This is by the way, this man would end up in the, in Dante's sort of understanding of cosmic justice.

00:41:10.440 This guy would end up in the very pit, the very lowest level of hell. He committed the worst sin,

00:41:16.820 which is fraud and betraying, specifically betraying your benefactors. He asked these guys for a ride

00:41:23.440 out of the kindness of their heart. They gave it to him. He kidnapped them, robbed them, tied them up

00:41:29.620 and burned this woman alive. That guy should be killed by the state. It is totally just capital

00:41:40.520 punishment, very just thing. It, it perverts our system when there is no type of justice at that

00:41:47.940 degree. When the president comes out, I understand there's a very big difference between say a drug

00:41:54.740 crime and a crime such as Christopher Vialva committed. Though I will point out with some

00:42:00.200 of these drug trafficking rings, there is a lot of blood involved. There's a lot of death involved

00:42:05.040 in those too, but I get it. They're, they're different. When Republicans come out and attack

00:42:12.120 Democrats for being too tough on crime, you know, they've lost the thread because we do not have a

00:42:16.620 problem in this country being too tough on crime. We are way, way, way too weak on crime. Even

00:42:21.240 conservatives, many conservatives oppose capital punishment. Many conservatives even oppose tough

00:42:25.460 punishment because it's not rehabilitative. Maybe it's not, it's not deterrent. They say now it,

00:42:32.480 it often is deterrent. The reason that these tough punishments are not deterrent is because they go on

00:42:36.200 so long that they don't, they don't actually seem like a punishment. If this guy had been killed at 20

00:42:40.220 as he damn well should have been, I think you'd see a much greater deterrent effect of capital

00:42:45.320 punishment. They're not rehabilitative. I bet capital punishment has at least a chance of being

00:42:50.040 rehabilitative on this man's soul, but there is a primary purpose of our justice system,

00:42:56.140 which is justice, justice. It's not just a therapy session, folks. It's justice.

00:43:04.180 Punitive, punitive punishment. I know that that sounds a little bit redundant. Retributive

00:43:09.640 justice. That's what we're talking about. Getting retribution because justice demands it. There's a role

00:43:17.320 for mercy too. That's the pardon power, but there is a, there's a place for justice as well. We've

00:43:23.220 completely lost that. You know, it's so funny too. We're also being, we're being very, very cruel to

00:43:27.980 the prisoners in the process. I'll give you an example in California. Governor Gavin Newsom is now

00:43:32.300 decided that he's going to send transgender inmates, that is men who pretend to be women, 0.99

00:43:38.960 women to be housed with the women prisoners, with the women. And what could go wrong? What could go 0.98

00:43:47.360 wrong? Get a bunch of hardened criminals, people who are by definition criminals who do bad things to

00:43:53.580 people, uh, put a bunch of these bad dudes in with the women. What could possibly go wrong? This is 1.00

00:44:00.520 horrifically cruel to the female inmates. And by the way, I'm calling for tough justice on criminals,

00:44:06.900 but I'm not calling for cruelty. I think it's very wrong to, I think it's extraordinarily wrong to be

00:44:11.960 cruel. I totally oppose cruel and unusual punishment. This is cruel and unusual punishment.

00:44:18.080 Putting a bunch of men in with the women. What could possibly go wrong? But it's because we've lost 1.00

00:44:24.140 this thread of calling out objective moral reality. It actually gets to the science question. You see,

00:44:30.420 there was, there was a time when we could understand that the physical world has a purpose. My body has a

00:44:36.560 purpose. This, this, this life that we have has an end. Okay. The, this cup has a purpose. The cup is

00:44:43.120 to give me coffee. That there, there are other things the cup could be used for. And there's some

00:44:49.080 things that the cup should not be used for. The cup is not a telephone. I can't use the cup to be a

00:44:53.460 telephone. It is, it is not going to fulfill its T loss. It's not going to fulfill its purpose by doing

00:44:58.800 that. But the cup is here for giving me that delicious coffee. Then you had the kind of

00:45:06.720 quote unquote scientific revolution where we say, no, no, no, you can't derive any of these kind of

00:45:12.380 philosophical or metaphysical conclusions from physical objects. But now we've reverted back to

00:45:16.480 the old thing. It's just on the left, right? It's the left saying, yeah, the scientists, the lab coat guys

00:45:20.920 who have no understanding of ethics or philosophy, those guys are now going to tell us how to run our

00:45:26.440 moral lives based on nothing, based on their, their wild whims. What we have to do is return to a

00:45:33.880 world in which we have a clear understanding of the moral order and where, and where we have the

00:45:38.000 courage to admit it. Say some things are better than other things. There is such a thing as justice.

00:45:43.340 There is such a thing as good. There is such a thing as courage. There is such a thing as wrong.

00:45:48.300 Men should not be with the women inmates. That's wrong. Men who pretend to be women, 1.00

00:45:53.680 we should have compassion for, sure, but we shouldn't indulge that fantasy because it's not

00:45:58.460 true. It's wrong. It is actually wrong to do that. Wrong to pretend to do that and wrong to indulge

00:46:04.800 that delusion. There's a kindergarten teacher in France. Kindergarten teacher just got fired

00:46:09.880 from teaching kindergarten. He's, he's still teaching first graders and second graders and

00:46:14.520 third graders. He just got fired from kindergarten. Why? Sylvan Helene is his name. He's 35. He's the most

00:46:19.520 tattooed man in, in France. His body, face, and tongue are covered in tattoos. And he just had

00:46:24.740 the whites of his eyeballs surgically dyed black to look like a demon. He looks like a demon and he

00:46:30.920 was scaring the kindergartners. So finally he was moved, not out of the, not out of the school,

00:46:37.600 not away from children, not into a psychiatric hospital where he belongs. He was moved to first

00:46:43.780 grade and hopefully those kids and their parents won't complain and have nightmares.

00:46:46.940 There was a time in this civilization where you could look at that and say, you know,

00:46:52.960 it's, it is wrong to dye your whole skin and dye your eyeballs black and try to look like a demon. 0.61

00:46:59.900 That's wrong. That's evidence that something's gone wrong in your head. And we're going to give

00:47:03.120 you treatment for that. We're going to explain to you why that's wrong. But now we're so afraid to

00:47:08.440 make any moral, moral claim. And, and they're even conservatives, quote unquote, they're, they're

00:47:13.280 really libertarians who say, well, you know, look, if we say it's wrong to dye your eyeballs black and,

00:47:19.680 and cover your whole body in tattoos to look like a demon, then they're going to tell us it's wrong

00:47:23.620 to go to church. And it's like, who can really know which one's wrong, you know? So we just got

00:47:27.560 to throw our hands up and anything goes. No, I'll tell you what, how about we just say the good things

00:47:32.680 are the good things and the bad things are the bad things. We've done that throughout the entirety of

00:47:36.660 our civilization, except for the past, I don't know, five minutes in earnest since the 1960s.

00:47:43.120 How about we just do that? That is possible. We have the ability to do that. We just might not have

00:47:51.260 the courage that all of that is to say that is a system that conservatives are up against right now.

00:47:58.480 Okay. That kind of insanity, that kind of unreason. And so it is no surprise that when we have our

00:48:05.100 national, national debates, it's just a bunch of screaming all night long. It's just a bunch of

00:48:11.280 petty insults. There's no reason because we've lost confidence, even in the ability to reason

00:48:16.840 about our politics, to reason about how we ought to all live together. We've lost a conception of

00:48:22.480 what the good even is, what we all should be doing. And so we're all just stuck in cacophony and a

00:48:28.740 bunch of babble. All right. That's enough babble for today. I'll see you tomorrow. I'm Michael

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The Michael Knowles Show - September 30, 2020

Ep. 620 - Trump Or Surrender

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