Ep. 636 - We All Know Joe’s Corrupt
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A whistleblower has come forward ready to blow the lid off of years and years of Biden family corruption. He was a business partner of Hunter Biden. He recorded a phone call with Rob Walker. Rob Walker is a self-described Biden family representative. And there are a lot of aspects to this smoking gun.
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A whistleblower has come forward ready to blow the lid off of years and years of Biden family
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corruption. Man's name is Tony Bobulinski. He was a business partner of Hunter Biden.
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He recorded a phone call with Rob Walker. Rob Walker is a self-described Biden family
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representative. He's the husband of Joe Biden's former top White House aide. And there are a lot
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of aspects to this smoking gun, this whistleblower. But here, Rob Walker, the Biden family representative
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says that if this whistleblower comes forward, he's going to bury them all.
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If he doesn't come out on record, I am providing the fact that you're just going to just bury all
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of us, man. Will the whistleblower bury all of the Bidens? Will this scandal finally undo Joe?
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Will it even matter at all? Does this even matter at all to voters?
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We will find out. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show.
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You can thank me later. You know, my favorite comment from yesterday, Thomas Egelhoff says,
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Kamala Harris sounds like Joaquin Phoenix's Joker, specifically. At first, she sounds like she's
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about to cry. And all of a sudden, she bursts into laughter. Oh, man. I actually hadn't thought
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of that before. But once you see that, you can't unsee that. Anytime in an interview that she gets
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any question other than, Kamala, why are you so beautiful? Any question that requires her to
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think at all, she gets very shaky and nervous. You saw this yesterday when she was asked what her
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perspective is. And she said, uh, and then she went right to identity politics. My perspective is a
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black woman and a immigrant and a, and a woman. And, uh, and just, it didn't. And then she bursts
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into the bizarre laughter. So yes, I guess Kamala is the Joker. Very scary stuff, especially because
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Joe Biden seems to be on the ropes. Tucker Carlson got this interview yesterday with a whistleblower
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because of course he did because Tucker gets all of these great scoops on cable TV. This is, uh,
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this is not Tucker's former business partner. This is Hunter's former business partner, Tony
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Bob Yelinski. Uh, Tony has, has said that he has had conversations with the Biden family,
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with Jim Biden in particular, that's Joe Biden's brother, obviously with Hunter Biden. Apparently
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Jim Biden said that Joe knows about all the corruption, but he has plausible deniability.
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So he'll get away with it. I'm thinking about the Biden family. Like how are they doing this?
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I know Joe decided not to run in 2016, but what if he ran in the future? Aren't they taking political
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risk or headline risk? And I remember looking at Jim Biden and saying, how are you guys getting away
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with this? Like, aren't you concerned? And he sort of, he looked at me and he laughed a little bit and
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said, uh, plausible deniability. He said that out loud? Uh, yes. He said it directly to me one-on-one
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in a cabana at the Peninsula Hotel after about a, you know, hour and a half, two hour meeting with
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me asking out of concern, how are you guys doing this? Aren't you concerned that you're going to
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put your brother's, you know, future presidential campaign at risk? Um, you know, the Chinese,
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the stuff that you guys have been doing already in 2015 and 2016 around the world. And, uh, I just
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can almost picture his face where he sort of chuckles and says, you know, plausible deniability.
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Plausible deniability. Well, I think that's probably true. Now you do have to ask yourself,
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okay, why is this whistleblower coming forward? Does he have some beef with Hunter Biden? I think
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Hunter Biden probably has a beef with a lot of people because Hunter Biden behaves like a degenerate.
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So it could be maybe he doesn't like Joe Biden now. Maybe who knows why he's, he's turned on the
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Biden family, but he's, he's acknowledging the years of corruption that we have seen hints of before.
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And then he gets specific. He gets specific on the geopolitical adversary that we're all so
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worried about these days, China. And, and Tony comes out and says, Joe Biden effectively is owned
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by China. The Chinese and CFC, uh, never viewed me. I'm insignificant and irrelevant in this
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discussion to them. It was always the Biden family. It wasn't Hunter Biden. It wasn't Jim Biden. It was
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the Biden family who's obviously led and, um, and operated by Joe Biden. And in a document that
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you guys have, and, uh, I think it's been provided to, you know, to the world, the Chinese referenced
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that because of their trust in, uh, the Biden family, the chairman and director Zhang are excited
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about moving forward in this. And in that document, they referenced loaning $5 million to the BD family,
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right? The BD family is the Biden family. And notice they didn't say we're loaning that money
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to Oneida holdings, or we're loaning that money to Tony Bobulinski, or we're loaning that money to
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James Gillier or Rob Walker. They, once again, not a document generated by me, a document generated by
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CFC that they're loaning that money to the Biden family. So I think Joe Biden and the Biden family are
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I think all of that is true. So is this the big shocking revelation less than two weeks until the
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election that's going to undo Joe Biden? No, I don't think so. I don't think so.
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What new information is being presented here? We're getting more evidence that Joe Biden is
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corrupt. So that's good because we are seeing ties, not just between Hunter Biden and some corrupt
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people, but James Biden, not just James Biden, but Joe Biden. And we already knew this because
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Hunter Biden doesn't have any skills. So of course, the only reason he would be hired and paid
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by these foreign oligarchs is to get access to his dad. He denied that he gave access to his dad. Now
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these emails have come out and said, yes, he did give access to his dad. Yes, he, these people did
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meet with his dad. Yes, his dad is a big crook. So what? We already knew that. I look, I wish that I
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could be as excited as everybody else's over these revelations. I just think it's baked into the cake.
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Do you think any Biden voter is going to change his vote now because these revelations have come
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out? I don't think so. Biden's been a crook politician for 50 years. Do we really, do we
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really think now they're going to say, oh, well, I knew he was a crook for 50 years, but you know,
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now he's getting money from China. Okay. We've got to switch our votes. Maybe a little bit on the
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periphery, but I actually, I don't think this is going to matter too much. I think the one effect
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this could have on the race is it could motivate conservatives. I was talking to Senator Cruz about
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this yesterday on our show verdict. There are two kinds of, of campaigns. There are the persuasion
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campaigns and there are the get out the vote campaigns, right? There's the one where you want
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to win over people in the middle. The other is where you want to turn out your own base. This is
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emphatically the latter. Everyone has had a strong opinion on Donald Trump since the eighties. Okay.
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Nobody is undecided here. So it's all about getting out the vote. Part of the reason why the left
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always pushes negative polls is to demoralize conservatives. So we don't show up to the polls
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and then they can win before anyone had to go out and actually vote. So if we've got the kind of
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evidence that Hunter Biden is corrupt, it could have the effect of getting us more and more excited
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about this, thinking there's a chance Joe Biden doesn't, doesn't win the race, you know, thinking
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the Biden family is collapsing and going out and voting. If it has that effect, I'm happy, but I don't
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think we need to focus too much on this. I think we need to focus more on the absolute disaster Joe
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Biden would be for this country and the fact that the guy can barely finish an English sentence.
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Joe Biden is unheard of in, in modern presidential politics. Joe Biden has effectively sworn that he
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won't campaign anymore for the last two weeks of this race. That's very strange. He thinks he's in
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a good position. He thinks the polls are behind him. So he's just going to stay at home. So he doesn't
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give himself the opportunity to screw up any more than he already has. Nobody is trying to get him to
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show up out of the mainstream media, out of the democratic establishment. The only guy who is
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trolling Biden into getting back onto the campaign trail is the master troll in chief, President
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Trump, who says that Joe Biden has basically given up on life. Joe Biden's been accusing Trump of
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waving the white flag of coronavirus, surrendering on coronavirus. He said, no, I'm not doing that.
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Joe Biden's waving a white flag. He's waving a white flag on life because he knows that if he goes
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out and he talks and he says hello to anybody, he's going to screw up. So he's hiding in his basement
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right after Trump says this, what happens? Joe Biden decides to come out of hiding. I'm, I'm not sure
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that this corruption stuff, it really matters, but Biden is hiding anyway, because he doesn't want to
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have to answer questions on Hunter. He doesn't want to have to answer questions on, on any of these
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other people. So Joe Biden shows up and he's at a campaign event and they've got a band there and
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he's going to go give a speech. You've seen the Trump rallies. You've seen what, 20,000 people there,
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30,000 people there sometimes. And then you see the Biden rally. Joe Biden shows up, the band is playing.
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There were probably 18 people in the room. He walks down the stairs.
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They're playing Midnight Train to Georgia, which is kind of a depressing song to be playing during
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a campaign, right? Because it's all about a guy who failed. LA was too much for the man. And so he's
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living the life he's come to know. Biden's got his little circles there. I don't even know if it's
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18 people. It's not, it's not even 18. It's probably a dozen people. Okay. A little bit more on the side.
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So, okay. 18 people. You got probably more staff there than guests.
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And he's, he's old. So it's taking him forever to walk to the stage. He's trying to run a little
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bit, but that's awkward. Handful of claps. He's leaving. He is leaving on that Midnight Train.
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I know that the polls say that Biden is way up. Maybe Biden is way up. Maybe Biden's going to win.
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Maybe it's going to be a blowout for Joe Biden, but you've got to admit it's kind of weird
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that Trump gets tens of thousands of people to show up to his rallies and Joe Biden can't get
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20 people to show up to his rallies. You got to admit that is kind of weird. I've never seen
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enthusiasm so skewed in a race where the polls are so tight. What does that mean? Does that mean the
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polls are wrong? Does that mean that libs are so afraid that they're just staying in their homes
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because they're afraid of the flu? What is it? What does that really mean? Does it mean that they
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So Biden can't muster any of these people to actually show up. I think this matters much
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more than the corruption. I think we got to focus on how there's no enthusiasm, why there's no
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enthusiasm, what his plans will mean for the country, for the economy, what his plans will mean
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socially, what his plans will mean for the structure of our government, court packing,
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and what his cognitive issues mean for the presidency. Joe Biden was asked one of these
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events. He was asked about Amy Barrett. And this should be a slam dunk. This is one of the
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top issues on the entire campaign, the Supreme Court and this confirmation that just happened a
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couple of days ago. Joe Biden, he couldn't seem to string the thoughts together.
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Here's the deal. One of the things that is important is that keep in mind, although they're
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going to vote on Barrett. That is so embarrassing. It's embarrassing for Joe. It's embarrassing for
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the campaign. Senator, tell us about Amy Barrett. Okay, well, here's the deal. The thing about it is
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they're going to vote today or is it yesterday or they're going to, uh, uh, who, and I actually,
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I don't even want to make fun of him for it. Anybody who's had aegid friends or relatives knows
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this happens. You know, it's a senior moment, except with Joey has senior moments all of the time.
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Don't begrudge him that, uh, you know, it's going to happen to all of us probably someday if we live
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that long, but it doesn't mean that you should be president while you're having those issues.
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If you cannot give an opinion on the Supreme court confirmation that just happened, you should not
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be president. You don't have the stamina to do it. And his campaign staff knows that we've been
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seeing this for months and months in the mainstream media are denying it, where Joe will start trying
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to talk to the press and he'll start rambling and they will take him by the arm and lead him away.
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Like, come here, come here, old grandpa. And so come here, come here to old Joe, you know,
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let's go. We're going to, again, if, if Joe were just their grandpa, perfectly fine,
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a lovely interaction, but he's not, he's trying to be president. Uh, Barrett the today is sort of,
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okay, bye. And just leads them away. And the press won't ask a question about it because the press
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are campaign operatives for, for Biden. Now, some of the Biden gaffes have been a little bit funnier.
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Maybe they're Freudian slips. I don't know. Just yesterday, Joe Biden was talking about,
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uh, about his wife and then Kamala Harris and Kamala's wife, but my wife, Jill, as you know,
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and Doug Emhoff, uh, Kamala's wife are there. Kamala will be back, uh, later this week. I think
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on Friday. That may have been a Freudian slip, which is obviously where you say one thing,
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but me and your mother. So Joe talks about Kamala's wife. He meant to say her husband, I guess
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those issues. I know it's counterintuitive, but I think those issues are going to matter much more.
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Here, here's my evidence. We've known about the Joe Biden corruption stuff. Well, we've known about
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it for many years, but in the campaign, this has been a hot topic of discussion for at least six,
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eight months. Didn't skew anything. Remember after that first debate, Trump was going really hard at
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Biden actually probably helped Biden in the debate. That second debate did not go as well for Joe Biden.
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Actually, right after the second debate, one of the big trends that took place on Google was,
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can I change my vote? Well, why, why was that? It's because Joe Biden and the moderator and the
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entire established presidential debate commission forced Joe Biden to have to finish his sentences.
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It was actually a miscalculation. They thought they were helping Biden by doing it, but it didn't help
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Biden. So he had to finish the sentences and he seemed weak and he didn't have an answer and he seemed a
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little bit radical, but more than that, he seemed like he wasn't all there. So people asked, can I
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change my vote? Now this is very difficult because 62 million votes have already been cast.
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People have already voted. This is a big problem with early voting. Early voting should not exist.
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Absinthe ballots should exist in very limited circumstances where you solicit ballot, but
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otherwise you should vote on election day. There are a lot of shenanigans that go on. We've already
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heard about a lot of shenanigans out of Philly, out of New York, out of New Jersey, places where
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people are messing around a little bit sometimes with the votes. You find a box of ballots on the
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side of the road in some places. Election security is very difficult. Campaigns have election security
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on election day, but you can't have election security for two months. And also we're in a
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campaign. Campaigns are about persuading people. New things happen. You time your campaigns for how
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it's going to affect election day. We should only have election day with some absentee ballots in
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limited circumstances because now people want to undo their votes. Can they do it? In some places
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they can. So this is worth, I suspect if you're listening to this show, you're not having second
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thoughts. You know, you didn't vote for Joe and then now you're considering switching. Maybe though,
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maybe we do have a number of Democrats and left-wingers who listen to this show. So maybe I've changed
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your mind. If you happen to live in New York, Florida, Arizona, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota,
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Florida, Wisconsin, Washington, Mississippi, Idaho, and Connecticut, you may be able to amend your vote.
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There are different rules in all of those places. If you live in any of those states, if your loved
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ones live in any of those states and they want to change their vote, they sometimes can, but they've
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got to act early. And then in the future, I think we need to get rid of this early voting entirely
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because it is unfair to people. It is unfair to the candidates and it is open to fraud. But I
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suspect there are going to be a lot of changes to our system after this presidential race. Because
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if the Democrats win, they've already told us they're going to try to add two more states,
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Puerto Rico and Washington, DC, they're going to try to get rid of the electoral college.
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They're going to try to pack the Supreme Court. I mean, we're talking about major changes.
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Some people believe that, and this has been an explicit pitch of the Joe Biden campaign.
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They believe if Joe Biden gets elected, things go back to normal. If Trump gets elected,
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if he gets reelected, then they're going to keep burning down the cities and things are
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going to get worse and worse and worse. And Joe Biden with a not so veiled threat says,
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we can't take four more years of this. Meaning we can't take four more years of the cities being
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burned down. So vote for me, you know, sure as a nice country you have, there would be a,
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would be a shame if something happened to it. But I don't think things are going to get better
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if Joe Biden gets elected. I'm not even convinced that they're going to lift the coronavirus
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restrictions. That's always been a joke too. We've said November 4th, they're going to cure
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coronavirus maybe, or maybe they just took a lot of power and they're going to keep it.
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Think about, if you're a conservative, think about how brutal the Obama ears were. The Obama years
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were. Obama's ears are also brutal. No, the Obama years were very tough for us because he would just
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stick his finger in our eye all the time. And he would, he would talk about the right side of history
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and how we were bitter clingers. And he used the IRS to, to mess up our nonprofit organizations.
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He would just poke his finger in our eye. It was very annoying. I think we have to admit
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Trump has done the same to the left. He hasn't committed the crimes that the left committed,
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you know, abusing the federal government, spying on his opponents. He hasn't, he actually hasn't done
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that. But from a rhetorical standpoint, he has done that. And they are going to be out for blood.
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And they are so furious that Trump was elected in the first place. They refused to accept that
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it was legitimate, but they're so furious. They are going to ratchet up the level of national
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tension. It will not go down. The most persuasive pitch of the Biden campaign is return to normalcy.
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We're not returning to normal. No matter who wins this election, we're not returning to normal. There
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will be major, major political battles that will cut to the core of our constitutional government.
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I think there are big changes coming around. You've even seen this language from the left in
00:23:14.560
recent, in recent days. They've talked about the green new deal, right? The, evoking the new deal
00:23:20.660
is evoking Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The new deal was a major, some say irreversible structural change
00:23:28.520
to our constitutional order. You've heard about court packing. That's actually another idea that came
00:23:32.600
from FDR. You've heard about lots of other major changes. Well, the Lincoln Project, the Lincoln
00:23:39.960
Project is out with a, a very scary commercial. Well, you know, the Lincoln Project are a bunch of
00:23:44.980
these con artists, unemployed ex-Republican operatives and campaign consultants. So they're,
00:23:51.200
they're raising a lot of money from left-wingers and they've aired this commercial with a big fear
00:23:56.720
that if President Trump gets re-elected, he might never give up power.
00:24:01.100
Hey honey. Hey mommy. You asked me to wake you and tell you what happened in the election.
00:24:31.100
who won? Trump. Trump won. But I thought you could only be president two times.
00:24:46.880
Help for you! Help for you! Help for you! Help for you! Help for you! Help for you!
00:24:55.540
The Lincoln Project is responsible for the content of the... Of course the Lincoln Project is
00:25:02.120
responsible. Now there is a real irony here, which is these left-wingers, and I include the Lincoln
00:25:07.480
Project among them, are talking about how we need a new deal like FDR gave us, how we need to pack the
00:25:14.140
courts like FDR tried to do. And we need to be very afraid of Trump running for a third term like,
00:25:20.440
wait for it, FDR did. Also ran for a fourth term. Actually, the only way we got rid of that American
00:25:25.960
monarch was because he died in office finally. And then they passed a constitutional amendment to stop
00:25:30.840
people from doing that. Every president before FDR had followed George Washington's example and not
00:25:37.220
served more than two terms. Except for FDR, the American monarch, the one that the left wants to go back
00:25:44.000
to. This is what the left does. They always, always project. I mean, I got to tell you, that commercial
00:25:49.640
got me really excited for Trump's third term. I just, I don't think he's willing to do it.
00:25:54.540
I want him to go in like Charles II and say, Congress, you are dissolved. Go home. I am the emperor. It's
00:26:00.620
not going to happen. Not going to happen. Sorry, guys. Sorry, Lincoln Project. Now, the Lincoln Project,
00:26:06.400
none of them actually believe that's going to happen. The Lincoln Project is the most dishonest
00:26:10.720
hack movement in politics that I've seen in my lifetime. Okay. It is just pure grift. I know
00:26:17.900
that word gets abused a lot these days, grift and grifter. It means con artist and it's basically
00:26:23.080
used to apply to anyone that you disagree with. That's how it's become popular. But there is a
00:26:29.760
specific use of this and the specific use applies to the Lincoln Project. They are con artists. They
00:26:34.240
don't believe anything. The reason they started the Lincoln Project is because they were out of work
00:26:38.400
GOP campaign consultants who couldn't get hired anymore because it was Trump's party now and he
00:26:44.400
kicked all of them out. So they gave up all of their principles and became Democrats if they had any
00:26:49.260
principles in the first place. And they, a lot of them were in debt. Some of them were in, were
00:26:54.100
lobbyists for Russia. I mean, these, these are corrupt dudes who have been working in politics for a
00:27:00.160
very long time. So they just air a bunch of nonsense. But the way it works, actually my kind of
00:27:04.240
defense of the Lincoln Project and why I think some conservatives should come around to it is all
00:27:08.900
the Lincoln Project is doing is lining the pockets of these unemployable campaign consultants
00:27:14.560
by milking Democrats. So it is, the Lincoln Project is a wealth redistribution scheme to take
00:27:22.200
idiot gullible Democrats money and give it to unemployed GOP campaign consultants.
00:27:27.840
Give you another example. They just put a couple of billboards up in Times Square.
00:27:33.200
Jared Kushner saying, New Yorkers are going to suffer and that's their problem.
00:27:38.300
And this is a quote obviously taken way out of context from, from Jared Kushner. And then it's
00:27:42.360
next to one of Ivanka who, I don't know why Ivanka is on the, on the billboard, but it says
00:27:47.180
33,000 New Yorkers dead, 224,000 dead Americans. Like that's Ivanka's fault. Like Ivanka killed them.
00:27:56.260
Also, what, if the, if the number of New Yorkers dead is so disproportionate to the number of
00:28:01.300
Americans, maybe that's not the Trump's fault. Maybe that's the fault of Andrew Cuomo, the governor
00:28:07.140
of New York or Bill de Blasio, the mayor of New York, right? I don't know why that would become
00:28:11.420
the Republicans fault, but it actually doesn't matter. Why are their billboards up in New York?
00:28:16.200
Why is a, a campaign organization that is dedicated to kicking Trump out of office? Why are they spending
00:28:23.020
their money, a lot of money on billboards in New York? Trump's not going to win New York.
00:28:28.640
It's not a battleground state. That's a, that's a Democrat state. The reason they're doing that
00:28:34.440
is so that they can advertise for the Lincoln project and get more money. They've been doing
00:28:39.240
this on Morning Joe. Nobody watches Morning Joe except for gullible leftists who are likely to give
00:28:45.800
money to leftist organizations. So they've been running advertisements on Morning Joe in Washington,
00:28:51.340
D.C. People aren't going to vote for Donald. They're going to, they're, Washington, D.C. is
00:28:56.400
taxation without representation to begin with, but they're not going to vote for Trump, you know,
00:29:01.860
even, even if they were going to play a significant role in the presidential election, they're not
00:29:05.000
going to vote for Trump there. It's just a way of taking money from Democrats. And that's totally
00:29:09.540
fine by me. It's kind of funny. I almost respect these con artists a little bit more than the crazy
00:29:14.780
people because there are these, these hacks like the Lincoln project. And then there are people who
00:29:19.040
genuinely believe this stuff that they're putting out there. There's one video in particular,
00:29:23.980
a woman crying in her bathtub over Trump that is not even over Trump, over Amy Coney Barrett. That
00:29:28.920
is really a work of performance art. You know, the presidential election is almost here. It's,
00:29:35.160
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with a lot more. Welcome back. You've seen these videos. It's a genre of video that I don't really
00:30:29.420
understand, which is hysterical women filming themselves crying. I don't know. I don't cry all
00:30:35.340
that much. Not saying that to brag, you know, not saying that to be macho here, but I just,
00:30:39.660
I don't cry a lot. You know, only if a dear, beloved family member dies, or if I see a
00:30:46.100
particularly gorgeous sunset and one tear just wistfully kind of falls down my cheek. But I
00:30:51.520
will say this. When I have cried, I do not have the impulse to film myself and then post it on TikTok.
00:31:01.220
I don't know. Maybe I'm an old fuddy-duddy. Maybe I'm a boomer. I don't have that impulse.
00:31:04.740
But a lot of these left-wing women do. One crazy lady decided to film herself in a bathtub,
00:31:12.840
weeping because a new justice was added to the Supreme Court.
00:31:18.080
Don't mind me. I'm in the bath, but while I'm in here, I got a notification that Amy Coney Barrett was
00:31:40.500
I didn't think I would be this affected by it, but I'm scared. I'm scared for me, other women,
00:31:54.160
people who need help, everyone except white men. So, um, please vote next week. Let's try to do
00:32:06.400
something. Yeah, man. White men are terrible. You know, I hate those guys because of their sex and
00:32:11.180
their race. You know, that's what makes me hate them so much because they're so bad. All the other
00:32:14.960
people are so much better. You know, isn't that, that's, that is what they believe. This is even
00:32:20.340
this like silly, frivolous white liberal woman. Why is she afraid? What is she scared of?
00:32:27.360
I guess the only right of hers that Amy Barrett is threatening, that a conservative court would
00:32:33.940
threaten is the right to kill her child through abortion. But let's say worst case scenario for
00:32:38.080
this lady, let's say Roe versus Wade is overturned. That seems like an unlikely scenario, but if it were,
00:32:43.760
then in almost certainly the issue would go to the States. I assume this crazy lady lives in
00:32:49.300
a state that would permit abortion. So she still gets to kill her kid. Let's say she doesn't,
00:32:53.700
let's say she lives in the middle of Alabama or something. And so the state is actually going to
00:32:58.340
outlaw abortion if Roe versus Wade gets overturned. What does that mean for her? What is she
00:33:03.700
so afraid of? It means that she won't be able to kill her kid and she'll have to, you know,
00:33:08.140
have the kid for, if she does become pregnant, if her contraception doesn't work or something,
00:33:13.660
she's going to be uncomfortable for nine months and then give the kid up for adoption
00:33:17.080
or raise the kid if she wants to. That's it. That's what she's afraid of. That's the great fear
00:33:22.780
that has her cowering, crying in a bathtub is not being able to kill her hypothetical child.
00:33:29.740
Maybe in a very unlikely circumstance. That is a mania. That is hysteria.
00:33:39.640
This woman needs help. She needs a support network. I would say she should talk to her husband.
00:33:45.360
Something tells me though, maybe that's not a possibility. When society breaks down, when
00:33:53.960
the sense of family, most importantly, the basic building block of society, but also local
00:34:00.220
government, civic institutions, the church, your bowling league, your township, your state,
00:34:07.260
whatever, when all those things break down, you are left as an atomized individual. And the only
00:34:13.460
meaningful relationship that you can have is with the federal government.
00:34:16.320
So like if this, let's say this woman were married and her husband came home and cheated
00:34:22.700
on her, or, you know, I don't know, did sold, bet the family farm or whatever, did something,
00:34:27.540
that action would merit that reaction. That is the reaction of a personal affront in an intimate
00:34:34.500
relationship. But this woman's reaction makes it appear that her most intimate personal relationship
00:34:41.140
is with the federal government, which I think it probably is. Barack Obama pitched this as part
00:34:46.040
of his reelection campaign in 2012. He called it the life of Julia. You now can barely find it on
00:34:51.000
the internet. It was basically scrubbed from the internet. It described a woman named Julia,
00:34:55.840
this hypothetical woman from cradle to grave, having everything provided for her by the federal
00:35:01.480
government. No husband, no family, no local community, no nothing. At one point she chooses to
00:35:09.280
have a child. Doesn't get married, doesn't fall in love, doesn't go out. Nope, just chooses to have
00:35:13.500
a child. And then big daddy Obama, federal government will come in and provide for her. And then she dies
00:35:19.000
and she dies alone. And the federal government provides for that too. That's a bleak life. I'd be
00:35:23.740
crying too, if that were my life. What is this woman so afraid of? There are a lot of people like this
00:35:32.720
who believe, no, that the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court should not have a huge effect on your life.
00:35:38.620
If it is, something has gone wrong, both in politics and in your personal life.
00:35:45.460
Speaking of crazy people, by the way, speaking of people who are kind of
00:35:49.680
reacting in a poor way to the fundamental changes that have gone on in society.
00:35:55.980
I can't close the show today without getting to this very important headline.
00:36:00.100
Mother who realized she was gay at the same time as her husband came out as transgender says they're
00:36:15.740
So let's, let me see. I think I need an advanced degree to understand that headline, but
00:36:20.940
Jenny, who's 37 and Sarah, who's 38 revealed to each other on the same night, uh, that Sarah,
00:36:31.000
who used to be Sean, told her, meaning his wife of 15 years, Jenny, that she, meaning he was
00:36:38.760
transgender. Immediately after that, Jenny told her husband, that's okay. I think I'm gay.
00:36:44.760
Now that seems a little too convenient for me. I don't, I don't look, I don't, uh, pretend to know
00:36:52.620
the particular situation of this family, but what, what the, the husband comes out and says, I, I'm a
00:37:00.060
woman. And that would seem to be a threat to the family. And so it does seem a little convenient for
00:37:05.520
the wife then to be like, oh no, that's cool. I'm a lesbian. Can we stay married please? And I guess
00:37:10.480
they're going to stay married and they've got kids. And it's, it's actually, I mean, it's a hilarious
00:37:14.140
story if, if you were able to separate the actual human suffering from it, but it's kind of a sad
00:37:18.920
story when you realize that they've got kids and this is not, this is not going to turn out well.
00:37:25.320
But what this really means, right? I don't know if this guy's had surgery or anything like that, but
00:37:29.540
nothing really has changed, right? It's still a guy married to his wife. He just, he just wears
00:37:37.920
dresses sometimes. That's the big change, but there's a lot of confusion around what is essentially
00:37:45.040
not that big of a shift. How did we get to that? I mean, it's a kind of funny tabloid story and we
00:37:51.340
can laugh about it and there've always been weird things that have happened in life, but what's
00:37:56.900
changed is that that is now mainstream, right? The difference is that's not just a sideshow at a
00:38:02.660
circus. That is now the mainstream and people believe that that is ontologically possible for a man to
00:38:07.220
become a woman simply by wishing it so. And for the wife then to just become a lesbian because she's still
00:38:12.780
married to a man, which means she's not a lesbian, but the man is pretending that he's a woman. So she
00:38:16.720
thinks she is a lesbian. That's all delusion. And yet we're pretending that that is legitimate. And why?
00:38:24.840
Because we have lost a sense of, of objective reality. We've lost a connection to objective reality.
00:38:30.640
We've lost a sense of what we are for, what our society is for, what family is for, the role of children in
00:38:36.380
that society. We've got another one that one of the most famous transgender activists in the entire
00:38:43.260
world, Jessica Yaniv, who is this big, creepy dude who has had very creepy interactions with children
00:38:49.280
and found himself in a little bit of legal trouble because of that. Well, this guy, all he does is go
00:38:55.060
around and sue people for not giving into his will. So he very famously put these immigrant beauty salon
00:39:03.060
workers out of business because he wanted them to give him a Brazilian waxing. And they wouldn't do
00:39:11.780
that because he's not a woman. And it's actually not, you actually can't give him a Brazilian waxing.
00:39:17.140
You have to give him what's called a manzillion waxing, which uses different material because men
00:39:21.020
and women are different. And he was very upset that they wouldn't do this. So because he was not able
00:39:26.000
to expose himself to these poor immigrant women and these poor immigrant women weren't willing to
00:39:31.680
fondle his genitals, he sued them and put them out of business. So he's doing this again
00:39:35.640
with a beauty pageant. This guy has filed a complaint with the Human Rights Tribunal of Ontario
00:39:41.520
because a female only beauty pageant would not allow him to participate because he's a man who has
00:39:48.760
male genitals. They were even willing to let him participate if he had the cosmetic surgery to make
00:39:55.080
him look more like a woman. But he hasn't even done that. He's just a dude in a dress. And so they said,
00:39:59.860
no, you're not allowed to do this. So now he's filed a complaint with the Human Rights Tribunal
00:40:04.480
of Ontario. He's been doing this for a very long time. And I was wondering, there are two options
00:40:13.120
here. One is this guy should be sent to an insane asylum so he can stop making a nuisance of himself
00:40:17.940
for all these poor people that he's suing. And because he's obviously not flourishing in life,
00:40:22.920
so people who are this confused about reality should get special help. So that's one option.
00:40:28.560
But the other option, and I was just thinking about this, reading the story about the beauty
00:40:31.820
pageant after so many stories involving this guy, maybe he's just a conservative troll.
00:40:37.920
You ever think about that? Conservatives pile on this guy, Jessica Yaniv, a lot.
00:40:42.660
What if he's just a conservative troll? I'm not saying that he is or that I think he is,
00:40:48.460
but if he were, his behavior would be indistinguishable from what it is now.
00:40:51.980
Right? Because if men can really become women simply by wishing it so, why the hell shouldn't
00:40:59.340
that guy be in the beauty pageant? If men can, I'll take it even further. If men can simply become
00:41:04.380
women simply by wishing it so, why shouldn't he be allowed to get a Brazilian wax at the beauty
00:41:10.460
parlor? He's a woman. I'm sure the Human Rights Commission of Ontario or whatever organization he's
00:41:17.180
filing with believes, or at least states, that men can become women simply by wishing it so.
00:41:23.720
Our elite institutions in the United States certainly believe that. Federal government
00:41:27.420
believes that. The universities believe that. The bureaucracy believes that. The mainstream
00:41:32.420
media believe that. They all believe that. So why shouldn't that guy be allowed to get his
00:41:38.020
Brazilian wax? I don't know. This is one of these instances of, you know,
00:41:43.020
providence perhaps, or, or of, uh, you know, our enemy becoming our friend or of a silver lining in
00:41:49.400
a storm cloud. I think this guy is making a more conservative argument than just about anybody else,
00:41:56.160
anyone who could state it explicitly because he's showing the absurdity of a lot of these claims.
00:42:01.160
These women in bathtubs with their videos on TikTok are showing the absurdity of the left much better
00:42:06.800
than, than any conservative who's trying to make arguments. We'd like to make reasoned arguments,
00:42:10.840
but they are showing it in many ways. And I do think that showing, going out there, doing,
00:42:16.460
I do think this is going to be the decisive factor in the campaign. I don't believe,
00:42:21.040
I'm sorry to say, I'm glad Tucker got a great scoop and it was a great interview and it's cool
00:42:24.660
that he did it. And it provides more context for, for those of us who don't like Biden. But I don't
00:42:29.260
think that these kind of reasoned nuanced arguments about Joe Biden's corruption or anything else is
00:42:36.120
going to win the presidential race. I think this race is all about doing, going out,
00:42:41.580
actually hitting the campaign trail, talking to people, showing in your behavior, the kind of
00:42:47.180
society that you want to have. And that's what they're doing. You know, Mike Pence, a lot of his
00:42:51.440
staff the other day was infected with coronavirus. And so there was some question as to whether or not
00:42:56.400
he would jump off of the campaign trail. And he said, no, I'm going to keep campaigning.
00:43:01.320
I am going to keep going out there as he damn well should. But the experts tell you not to. Well,
00:43:08.820
I don't care about the experts. I'm not, I am not ruled by the experts. So I am going to keep
00:43:14.980
campaigning. And that's that. That's what they've got to do. This is not a persuasion campaign. This
00:43:21.340
is a get out the vote campaign. Nobody cares about Joe Biden's corruption. Go on and get at the vote.
00:43:27.840
Now, before we go, I do have to address one issue people have written in asking about this,
00:43:30.660
which is Pope Francis's confusing comments on civil unions. I don't know if you saw this. It
00:43:36.700
was reported in the newspapers that Pope Francis is now embracing laws for civil unions, which is
00:43:42.780
just a sort of euphemism for redefining marriage to include monogamous same-sex couples, but not other
00:43:47.860
types of couples, not polygamous couples, not right. But it's this very narrow way. And they're saying
00:43:52.360
it's a human right now in certain places. So does Pope Francis support civil unions? Catholic
00:43:57.620
church cannot support civil unions as far as I can tell. Obviously, you know, I'm not a canon law
00:44:03.520
expert, but that would appear to be the case. So what happens here? Well, Pope Francis has said in
00:44:08.380
the past, back when he was Cardinal Bergoglio in Argentina, he said that the redefinition of marriage
00:44:13.340
is it's not a matter of irrational animus. It's not a matter of hatred. It's not a matter of I don't
00:44:19.440
like this type of person or this type of person. It's a fundamental change to the order of society
00:44:25.220
and of politics. And it has a spiritual dimension. He said, it's no mere bill, but rather a machination
00:44:30.900
of the father of lies that seeks to deceive and confuse the children of God. From the very
00:44:35.780
beginning, this debate over gay marriage or civil unions or whatever has been pushed by the left as
00:44:43.760
a matter of rights and a matter of hatred. And, you know, if you don't want to fundamentally change
00:44:48.980
the definition of marriage that has existed everywhere for all of human history, which,
00:44:53.800
though it has had some details changed, has always involved sexual difference, the union of husbands
00:44:59.600
and wives, if you don't want to fundamentally redefine that, then you hate gay people, right?
00:45:05.840
That's the only conclusion, right? I don't think so. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
00:45:13.080
But that was a successful argument. They did. They were able to frame it as a question of rights
00:45:16.920
rather than merely a question of definitions. What they actually did, to use the technical term,
00:45:22.520
is beg the question. They assumed their own conclusions, namely that marriage could be
00:45:27.560
a union without sexual difference. And then, because they had defined it that way,
00:45:32.580
they said that everyone has to have that right. So what did Pope Francis say? I don't know what
00:45:36.080
Pope Francis said. The Vatican is coming out and in some ways disputing his comments and saying he was
00:45:40.080
misquoted, he was misinterpreted. Papa Francesco is always a misinterpreted, but for some reason he
00:45:45.180
keeps a talking to all of these abatter journalists. So my only conclusion on this is the teaching of
00:45:52.640
the Catholic Church, the dogma of the Catholic Church, cannot change. Fundamental teachings cannot
00:45:58.080
change. The Pope's role is to explicate teaching, to develop teaching, to deepen teaching, perhaps,
00:46:07.740
but can't contradict the teaching of the church. Popes are fallible, except when they are infallible.
00:46:13.720
People hear about papal infallibility, and they say that everything the Pope says must be true. If
00:46:17.560
the Pope says two plus two equals five, it has to be true. That's not what papal infallibility means.
00:46:21.940
Papal infallibility has been invoked, I believe, two times in the history of the Catholic Church.
00:46:26.340
So the Pope is fallible, except when he's infallible. And just as a general rule, I'm not even just
00:46:31.080
talking about Francis specifically, just as a general rule, sometimes the good Lord gives us bad
00:46:36.040
Popes. And this has happened many times. And by the way, it's perfectly acceptable. I know some
00:46:41.740
more trad conservative Catholics are saying we're not allowed to criticize the Pope here.
00:46:46.520
Criticism of the Pope is a longstanding tradition in the Catholic Church. Dante put two Popes in hell
00:46:51.580
with their heads in dirt and flames burning the soles of their feet. So this has been going on for a
00:46:57.320
very long time. I don't think we need to rush to judgment. I don't think we need to be needlessly
00:47:01.040
harsh in our criticism, but we can be clear about it. And I just wouldn't, I wouldn't worry so much.
00:47:09.380
I wouldn't agonize over every single statement as though that by virtue of the Pope saying it became
00:47:13.680
gospel truth because the Pope has the particular responsibility to declare gospel truth, but he
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