The Michael Knowles Show - Ep. 747 - The Unjust Verdict

00:00:00.000 I never thought I would agree with AOC. I never thought, I really never thought I would agree

00:00:05.520 with AOC on something like the George Floyd case, the trial of Derek Chauvin for the, not just the

00:00:13.060 killing of George Floyd, the murder of George Floyd. And yet AOC and I agree on a very narrow

00:00:20.600 point. We agree that the verdict that the jury reached was unjust. So no, this verdict is not

00:00:31.040 justice. Frankly, I don't even think we call it full accountability because there are

00:00:39.880 multiple officers that were there. Wasn't just Derek Chauvin. And I also don't want this

00:00:51.920 moment to be framed as this system working, working because it's not working. And

00:01:00.760 that's what creates a lot of complexity in this moment. That's what creates a lot of complexity.

00:01:12.340 What's the complexity? The verdict is just or it's unjust. I think it's unjust. AOC seems to think

00:01:17.560 it's unjust. So good. We'll get rid of it on appeal, right? I don't think that's exactly what

00:01:22.900 she's saying. On this narrow point though, AOC is right for all the wrong reasons. I'm Michael

00:01:27.660 Knowles. It's the Michael Knowles show. Welcome back to the show. My favorite comment yesterday

00:01:39.720 from top 10 guy one, who says the judge looked at the latest CNN ratings and naturally assumed that

00:01:46.240 nobody on the jury has been watching the news. That's a very good point. Actually, that's an astute

00:01:51.940 observation. The judge famously in this case said, look, what Maxine Waters said, maybe that should

00:01:58.660 cause this to result in a mistrial. The threats that people are seeing from not just the radicals

00:02:04.880 on the left, not just the street people, but, but even from the elected officials, the pressure from

00:02:10.240 Joe Biden. But what, what the judge said was, I trust that the jury is following instructions and

00:02:17.940 not listening to the news. Well, you're right. CNN ratings are the only evidence for that claim.

00:02:22.220 But I think the overwhelming evidence is of course the jury knew what this trial meant. BLM burned the

00:02:29.600 country down last year over this. So even if they weren't reading the New York times every day during

00:02:34.900 the trial, they knew exactly what was going on. You heard AOC mention this distinction between justice

00:02:43.460 and accountability. And you're going to hear the left make this distinction a lot over the next few

00:02:49.240 days. It's kind of like this distinction that they're making between equality and equity. And

00:02:54.120 on the one hand, these distinctions are meaningless. They're distinctions without a difference. But I do

00:02:59.720 think actually that there is some worthwhile distinction here between accountability and justice. Usually,

00:03:06.540 usually what the left does when they coin new terms like this, or when they put a lot of emphasis on

00:03:12.360 one term over another is they say, look, obviously this isn't justice. This was mob rule here.

00:03:18.440 The total overwhelming of the judicial system. The guy was convicted in the media, not in a court of

00:03:23.840 law. However, we need to still say that it's sort of like just, so we're just going to make a new term

00:03:30.560 equality. Well, we're going to make a new term equity. And we like equity and we hate equality.

00:03:34.700 Well, here, what's the difference between accountability and justice? I think the subtle difference

00:03:41.620 here is that justice refers to an eternal objective concept, right? Justice refers to

00:03:52.140 the moral law, which is eternally true, whatever we all think here on earth, even if we act very

00:03:57.240 unjustly, like the sort of injustice we saw yesterday in the Derek Chauvin trial. Accountability is a

00:04:03.100 little different. Accountability is like responsiveness to people. So when, when you're talking about,

00:04:10.960 there's no accountability, I think it very subtly plays into this radical subjectivism that you're

00:04:17.200 seeing from the left and especially from people like AOC on the left, which is that, look, there

00:04:22.060 are no eternal standards. We're going to remake the whole system. We're going to upend the entire

00:04:27.580 moral order. We're going to flip society inside out. And the only standard that will matter is what

00:04:35.660 we think we, the people who make the standards. You, you will not have to worry about justice

00:04:41.580 and accountability, accountability to God. You're just, you'll just worry about accountability,

00:04:47.520 meaning, you know, responsiveness to me, to us, we, the radical leftists who are going to remake the

00:04:56.400 world by redefining all the terms. That it's a, it's a subtle distinction, but I do think that's what

00:05:02.680 is at play here. That the left is ultimately interested. This is why they don't want to say

00:05:07.800 that justice was served here in the case of Derek Chauvin is because what they're ultimately interested

00:05:12.500 in is not reforming the police system or reforming the justice system a little bit. That is completely

00:05:17.700 disingenuous when they say that they want to undo the whole thing. They're saying the entire

00:05:21.740 country is rotten to the core and it won't be set right until they are in power and they get to

00:05:27.380 remake everything. And even then it's going to be a perpetual revolution. This is what the left always does.

00:05:32.140 It's why Fidel Castro was wearing his military fatigues until he was 92 years old because the

00:05:37.820 revolution is still going on. It doesn't matter that Castro held power for 60 years. No, there's

00:05:42.280 still more work to do. Viva siempre la revolución. That I think is what is at play here. It's why it's

00:05:50.300 so important to pay very close attention to these little words is when, when you accept the left's

00:05:56.020 new language, you accept whole premises here. This is very much the subject of my book,

00:06:00.680 Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds. Available now for pre-order. Who knows how much

00:06:04.680 longer it will be available for pre-order. So the jury comes out and in a deeply unjust

00:06:11.400 decision, reads their verdict. Derek Chauvin, guilty as charged.

00:06:18.360 Members of the jury, I will now read the verdicts as they will appear in the permanent records of the

00:06:22.520 4th Judicial District. State of Minnesota, County of Hennepin, District Court, 4th Judicial District,

00:06:29.200 State of Minnesota Plaintiff versus Derek Michael Chauvin, Defendant. Verdict, count one.

00:06:35.220 Court file number 27, CR20-12646. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count one,

00:06:43.480 3rd Degree Murder, perpetrating an eminently dangerous act. Find the defendant guilty.

00:06:48.480 Unintentional second degree murder while committing a felony. Find the defendant guilty.

00:06:50.480 Unintentional second degree murder while committing a felony. Find the defendant guilty. This verdict

00:06:55.480 agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1 44 PM. Signed juror 4 person, juror number 19.

00:06:59.480 Same caption, verdict count two. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count two,

00:07:03.480 3rd Degree Murder, perpetrating an eminently dangerous act. Find the defendant guilty.

00:07:07.480 This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1 45 PM. Signed by jury 4 person, juror number 19.

00:07:17.480 Same caption, verdict count three. We, the jury, in the above entitled matter as to count three,

00:07:23.480 2nd Degree Manslaughter, culpable negligence, creating an unreasonable risk. Find the defendant guilty.

00:07:29.480 This verdict agreed to this 20th day of April 2021 at 1 45 PM. Jury 4 person 019.

00:07:36.480 There it is. Derek Chauvin staying basically perfectly stoic as this is being read out. They're accusing him

00:07:44.480 not, or convicting him, I suppose, not just of negligence, not just of manslaughter, but of murder.

00:07:52.480 The intentional killing of George Floyd. What was the evidence for that? I, here's the evidence that I

00:08:02.480 think impelled the jury to reach this guilty verdict on all counts. Maxine Waters says there's going to be

00:08:10.560 riots. I think that was very important evidence. The president of the United States, but so many other

00:08:16.800 people. Kamala Harris bailing the, the George Floyd rioters out of, out of jail last year. BLM torching the

00:08:22.800 whole country. Threats to the livelihoods and lives of the jurors families and to themselves. I'm not 1.00

00:08:31.360 even saying explicit threats. I'm saying the implicit threat of a mobster who walks in and says, gosh,

00:08:37.120 nice place you got here. Sure would be a shame if something happened to it. And that threat had

00:08:41.280 credibility because BLM got away with burning the country down last year, along with Antifa.

00:08:46.400 I think that's the evidence that led to the guilty verdict because the evidence presented in court

00:08:53.960 weakened the prosecution's case. The evidence presented in court, remember the whole argument

00:08:59.920 that the media made about George Floyd's death is that Derek Chauvin intentionally put the knee on the

00:09:06.000 neck and blocked his airway. And that's the way, that's why he died and there was nothing else. Then we

00:09:10.760 find out later on, actually he had three times the lethal dosage of fentanyl in his system.

00:09:17.280 Actually, Derek Chauvin didn't pull him out of that car and drag him to the ground to murder him.

00:09:22.460 George Floyd asked to be taken out of the car. Actually, the claim of George Floyd, when he said,

00:09:27.200 I can't breathe, he was saying that before Chauvin basically even had his hands on him.

00:09:34.640 More and more and more and more and more evidence. Even the neck thing. Later on,

00:09:39.680 the prosecution changed its case. The argument initially was Chauvin had the knee on George

00:09:45.080 Floyd's neck. Then it became, he had the knee on his neck area. What's the neck area? Oh, I don't

00:09:50.920 know, your back, your shoulders. It didn't even have the neckline right. So if we're just looking

00:09:56.640 at new evidence presented in court, at the very most, this guy would have gotten manslaughter. Maybe

00:10:02.480 he would have gotten off completely, but that wasn't the evidence here. That's why it's an unjust verdict.

00:10:07.860 Even regardless of whether or not Derek Chauvin committed the manslaughter, it's an unjust verdict

00:10:15.160 because the whole system was upended. We heard the judge say this yesterday, except this cowardly

00:10:20.240 judge didn't want to actually follow his argument to its logical conclusion when he said, yeah,

00:10:25.560 Maxine Waters coming out and threatening everybody and inciting riots if they don't get the verdict that

00:10:32.860 they want. That might result in, in the declaration of a mistrial on, on appeal. That might create

00:10:39.480 problems on appeal. But here, right now, I don't want to do that. I'm not going to do that.

00:10:46.860 That, that is deeply unjust. It should, that is, as AOC would say, though for all the different reasons,

00:10:52.220 one of the arguments that the justice system is not working. Moreover though, I feel bad for Derek

00:11:01.040 Chauvin. I do. I know you're not allowed to say that, but I do. I feel bad for Derek Chauvin because

00:11:05.540 this isn't about him. None of this trial is about him. None of the trial is about what happened between

00:11:10.480 him and George Floyd. None of the facts matter to the verdict in that trial. Here's, here's what

00:11:18.920 matters. St. George, St. George Floyd died as a martyr. He was persecuted for his skin color by a

00:11:30.080 racist, bigoted, probably member of the Ku Klux Klan named Derek Chauvin. And he was murdered and 0.88

00:11:37.060 Chauvin planned this out, you know, and he just couldn't wait to murder him because he hates black 1.00

00:11:40.560 people. And then finally the people woke up, people of all good faith in America. They woke up in a 0.99

00:11:48.760 creed to occur and they demanded justice and they peacefully protested. There was a little fire.

00:11:53.940 There's some buildup, but it was mostly fiery, but mostly peaceful protests. And now we have

00:11:59.440 defeated this evil, this perfect ultimate evil in Derek Chauvin. Of course, the evil of racism remains,

00:12:07.180 but this is a great victory. Derek Chauvin is going to go to prison right now

00:12:11.820 because of that narrative. Whether or not Derek Chauvin did anything wrong, I'm really not coming

00:12:19.660 in one way or the other on whether or not he did anything wrong here on, on even on the manslaughter

00:12:23.800 charge. I'm just saying that's completely separate from why Derek Chauvin is going to prison.

00:12:31.360 This, this is what's going on in this country right now.

00:12:34.820 The justice system is disconnected from a sense of justice. It's not for the reason AOC says though.

00:12:45.520 AOC, I don't think has any real sense of justice whatsoever. I think the way that we can get back

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00:14:22.760 working, this isn't justice. What does she mean? Let me ask you something. What is justice? 0.84

00:14:30.280 We're now told justice is rehabilitation, right? That's what's the point of the justice system to

00:14:36.080 rehabilitate people? I don't know. We could all use a little rehabilitation, couldn't we? We all

00:14:40.100 have some bad traits. So why aren't we all in the justice system? Well, okay. It's not primarily

00:14:46.200 about rehabilitation, but it's about deterrence. It's good to deter crimes. Yes, I agree.

00:14:50.860 But if you wanted to deter a crime, you could just make an example of someone who,

00:14:55.740 whether or not he committed the crime or not, right? This is what happens in very authoritarian

00:14:59.660 governments. It's not that. Oh, right. Retribution. That is what the primary purpose of the justice

00:15:09.140 system is. If you commit a crime, you get punished for that crime. Not primarily out of rehabilitation

00:15:16.640 or primarily out of deterrence, but because you committed the crime. And justice demands it.

00:15:21.780 But we don't believe in justice anymore. Even people on the right don't believe in justice.

00:15:26.460 They have a better conception of it than people on the left do. But really what this is about

00:15:32.240 is interest groups. Really what this is about is social engineering. The left is saying, regardless

00:15:39.240 of the facts of the trial, don't pay attention to the facts of the trial. We need Chauvin to go to,

00:15:44.480 to prison because that will create a better society because that will fight the scourge of racism.

00:15:50.500 Yeah. It's not about what Chauvin, forget about George Floyd's career of crime. Forget about George

00:15:56.360 Floyd. Yeah. He robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. That's not, that's beside the point. Yeah. He was

00:16:01.320 committing a crime at the very moment he was killed or just moments prior, which was what prompted his

00:16:08.800 arrest. Sure. But that's not, that's not what this is about. This is about our leftist vision of

00:16:15.080 society. And you got to feel bad for Chauvin there. What this means for cops. The guy was doing his job.

00:16:20.500 What, what did Derek Chauvin do that day? He showed up with some other cops and tried to arrest a

00:16:26.160 criminal who was committing a crime. It's not even like he went up and he said, you know, George,

00:16:32.300 not so long ago, you robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint. That's, so we're going to arrest you now.

00:16:36.240 No, that actually would have been unjust, right? Because these were different situations. But

00:16:41.840 Floyd was passing counterfeit bills and taking a bunch of illegal drugs. And so Chauvin does his

00:16:49.560 job, tries to arrest the guy, resists arrest, asks to be taken out. Maybe Chauvin made some mistakes.

00:16:57.760 Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. A just trial would have tried to suss that out.

00:17:03.160 But regardless, because basically because Derek Chauvin took on a risky job,

00:17:10.140 he is now going to go to prison for murder. But who cares what the witnesses say? Who cares what

00:17:19.200 the expert, expert witnesses say in the trial? Who cares what the lawyers are saying?

00:17:24.420 This is a political matter. And so we have to turn to the president of the United States,

00:17:28.000 Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris and Joe Biden both spoke about this last night. Kamala spoke first

00:17:34.700 because she, you know, the president has to speak first. So Kamala comes out there and she says

00:17:40.860 that this is about George Floyd's legacy. And we are all part of that legacy.

00:17:47.280 We are all a part of George Floyd's legacy. And our job now is to honor it and to honor him. Thank

00:18:00.940 you. We are not part of George Floyd's legacy. I am not part of George Floyd's legacy. We should

00:18:07.760 not honor George Floyd. George Floyd did not live an honorable life. He led a very dishonorable

00:18:14.580 life. He didn't, it's not even that he led a dishonorable life and then he reformed,

00:18:19.620 which plenty of people, I think we all kind of do that. He was committing crimes in his very last

00:18:26.260 moments. Why would we honor that? Why would we want to be part of that legacy? I'm not saying if,

00:18:35.340 if he really were murdered, I don't think he was murdered. I don't think there's any evidence that

00:18:39.460 he was murdered. I don't think there's any evidence that his killing or his death was racially motivated

00:18:45.340 either. But let's say, let's say that all of that is true. And it was this, you know, terribly unjust

00:18:54.740 event. And certainly it's tragic. Death of any man is tragic. Is, is that the legacy? What, why is

00:19:06.040 that? What is his legacy? George Floyd's legacy is the stuff he did in his life. He didn't have the

00:19:16.100 sort of life that you want to write wonderful autobiographies about. What Kamala is really saying

00:19:21.980 here is that, is not that we are part of George Floyd's legacy. She's saying we are George Floyd's

00:19:29.020 legacy. That ironically, what she's saying is George, George Floyd's life didn't matter.

00:19:37.640 Isn't that ironic? Is the whole line is black lives matter. But the point here is no, 0.98

00:19:41.640 George Floyd's life did not matter. The things that he actually did right up until the very last

00:19:47.140 moments of his life, they don't matter. All that matters when we think of George Floyd,

00:19:51.980 we should not think of George Floyd. We should think of Kamala Harris. We should think of leftist

00:19:59.560 politicians who exploited this guy's death to radically re-engineer some aspects of policy

00:20:08.180 and to destroy credibility in the justice system. That's the point. Joe Biden then spoke afterwards.

00:20:20.260 Is Joe, I think Joe Biden's also in the white house, isn't he? I know Kamala's running the show

00:20:23.720 over there, but, but Joe, he's, he's still sort of daughters around the hallways. I think he'll

00:20:28.280 kind of go, he'll go have lunch. Then he'll go back and watch his, his episodes in the afternoon.

00:20:32.900 Joe Biden had already spoken out. Joe Biden, before the verdict came down, he,

00:20:37.380 the president of the United States pressured the justice system, the judiciary to give him the

00:20:44.520 verdict that he wanted. He said that he was praying for the right verdict.

00:20:48.660 They're a good family and they're calling for peace and tranquility, no matter what that verdict is.

00:20:56.880 I'm praying the verdict is the right verdict, which is, I think it's overwhelming in my view.

00:21:01.620 I wouldn't say that unless the jury was sequestered now and not hear me say that.

00:21:07.380 But so we, we just talked a little, I want to know how they were doing just personally. And we

00:21:11.460 talked about personal things. Look, I wouldn't say that, you know, but Hey,

00:21:16.040 the jury's sequestered. I'm sure they're not getting any information about this. So one of

00:21:19.440 the issues in this, this trial, of course, is that the jury had hadn't been totally sequestered

00:21:24.360 the whole time, you know, the day, and obviously it doesn't even matter if they were,

00:21:27.660 this is the biggest story in the world. The left took a local crime story of criminal gets arrested.

00:21:36.280 There's a question of was there excessive force used that that was the whole, that's the whole

00:21:41.940 story. This story happens lots of times every single day, but the left thought this is going

00:21:46.640 to be useful to push a racial narrative. So we're going to make this not just a national,

00:21:50.360 but an international news story. So there's no way to keep the jury from being affected by that.

00:21:55.220 And what does Joe Biden do? The, the mostly peaceful fire that BLM lit around the country,

00:22:00.940 he went and poured gasoline on it. They said they, we need the right verdict.

00:22:06.460 Hey though, I'm sure, come on, man. I'm sure that the, that the jury is not going to be affected by

00:22:13.220 my statements or Maxine Waters' statements or any of the other statements that have been made for a

00:22:17.120 year. Give me a break. Come on, man. That's a bunch of malarkey. So Joe Biden had already set the

00:22:23.600 stage for this. Then he comes on after Kamala Harris spoke and he, gosh, Joe Biden, he couldn't

00:22:29.360 have been happier with the way the jury ruled. It was a murder in the full light of day and it

00:22:36.980 ripped the blinders off for the whole world to see the systemic racism the vice president just referred

00:22:43.960 to. There were systemic racism as a stain on our nation's soul. The knee on the neck of justice for

00:22:52.700 black Americans. Profound fear and trauma. The pain, the exhaustion that black and brown Americans 1.00

00:23:01.500 experience every single day. The murder of George Floyd launched a summer of protest. We hadn't seen

00:23:10.620 since the civil rights here in the sixties protests that unified people of every race and generation

00:23:17.260 in peace and with purpose to say enough, enough, enough of this senseless killings today.

00:23:29.260 Today, today's verdict is a step forward. Is anything there that he said true? Is any single word that he said

00:23:38.460 true? The peaceful protests, the, the unity, the, the, the step forward? What's the step forward?

00:23:48.620 It was an exercise in the power of the left-wing establishment. And so he got his will in that the

00:23:58.220 justice system was overrun by his political interest group, the left. That's true.

00:24:05.060 So I guess in a way it's a step forward for him. Certainly a step backward, forward and backward.

00:24:11.840 So it's a step, definitely a step in the wrong direction for the United States. And what it led

00:24:17.340 to, I think, I don't think this was an act of the legal system. I think this was a fundamentally,

00:24:23.200 this, this verdict was a fundamentally religious act and it involved a lot of religious premises

00:24:29.920 and it's going to have cultural and political ramifications for years and decades to come.

00:24:36.140 Ben will be talking about the verdict on his show, his title, the jury got it wrong.

00:24:41.880 Pretty simple. You know, Ben, Ben and I don't always agree on everything, but I think we're

00:24:45.840 pretty, pretty much in agreement on this. And so Ben will be giving much more of a, a legal

00:24:51.660 perspective here. I'll be giving the religious perspective. He'll be giving the, the legal perspective

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00:26:12.080 I don't think that what happened yesterday at the Derek Chauvin trial was primarily a legal event.

00:26:19.340 I don't think the reading of the verdict was a legal event. I don't think it was based on a proper

00:26:23.220 reading of the law. I don't think it was based on the evidence presented in the court. I don't think

00:26:27.500 it was primarily about our system of justice that we thought we had in this country. I think it was

00:26:34.620 primarily a religious event. I think it was the canonization of St. George Floyd. And I think

00:26:41.220 this was about a religious ecstasy to triumph over the evil that had become incarnate in the person

00:26:49.780 of Derek Chauvin. The language that people are using to talk about this trial, they're saying

00:26:55.120 George Floyd sacrificed his life to justice. He did not. He was involved in injustice for his

00:27:03.240 whole life. He was a criminal. I don't say, look, I actually don't think you should really speak 0.91

00:27:07.960 ill of the dead. So I'm not saying George Floyd's the worst person in the world. I'm not saying he

00:27:12.580 never had a good impulse. I'm not saying he never even tried to pursue that impulse, but he obviously

00:27:17.840 ultimately failed to do it. This is a warning call for a lot of us. There are a lot of people who do a

00:27:22.320 lot of bad things who I think are waiting for a sudden conversion before death. Well, guess what? 1.00

00:27:29.120 Death can meet us when we least expect it. So you should be trying to do the right thing. You should be

00:27:33.460 trying to get your, your life and your soul in order before then. Regardless of the, if, if George

00:27:40.140 Floyd had any intentions to turn his life around, he didn't do it. His life was a, an exercise in

00:27:46.660 injustice. And yet now we're being told he sacrificed his life to justice. Why? Because the facts of his

00:27:51.760 life don't matter. All that matters about George Floyd, according to the left, is his skin color. And there

00:27:56.600 is a system of white supremacy in this country. And, and as LeBron James says, black people can't walk out of 0.97

00:28:02.600 their homes without being hunted down by racist whites. That's the narrative. Totally divorced 0.99

00:28:07.880 from reality, but that is the religious myth that we are being told by the left. And as a result of

00:28:16.700 this, we need to pursue an inversion of the virtues. In Christianity, you have the incarnation of absolute 0.94

00:28:25.620 good. Christ himself, right? Christ is the good. He is God. He's the second person of the Trinity.

00:28:32.580 He is incarnate into the world. He dies to redeem mankind. In the leftist religion, you don't have

00:28:40.820 the incarnation of absolute good. You have the incarnation of absolute evil. And this is according

00:28:45.880 to the identity group. So you have the physical representation of absolute evil, which is now, 0.70

00:28:51.900 you hear this in, I guess, white supremacy, the patriarchy, right? It's the straight white man who

00:28:58.860 thinks he's a man. So he's cisgendered, right? This person, and it's always becoming more narrow into 0.64

00:29:05.120 this absolute distillation of evil. That is the representation of everything that is wrong in the

00:29:09.360 world. And so regardless of the facts of this trial, if it, if it can be said to partake of those

00:29:15.200 issues, then you've got to try to defeat evil and you'll canonize criminals even if their death is

00:29:22.000 politically useful for this purpose. That's what's going on. This is a substitute religion. 0.99

00:29:28.140 We, we, we still have a liturgical calendar in this country. Okay. We have a liturgical calendar.

00:29:33.060 We, we have whole months dedicated to leftist views of history, black history month, women's history

00:29:40.920 month, pride month. These are, it's not even primarily about black people or women or, or homosexuals

00:29:47.720 even. It's about this very particular leftist view of history, which involves then a liturgical

00:29:53.860 practice. The, the new liturgy of, of this religion is the mostly peaceful protest, right? I mean, that

00:30:01.000 is, that is the religious expression. It is the state church. It's why during 2020, the BLM riots were 0.75

00:30:07.560 protected by the public health officials who are our high priests. They said, you get to go out,

00:30:13.680 you get to riot, you get to protest the George Floyd thing because, and they made up some cockamamie

00:30:19.360 excuse of how that actually is good for public health amid a pandemic to go out and rally by the

00:30:23.940 thousands. But if you go to church, if you go to actual church, that is a violation. You'll be shut

00:30:28.880 down. The church will be fined, not allowed to do that. It's because we have a state religion in this

00:30:34.000 country that is secular progressivism. And by the way, I get it. Man is a naturally religious being.

00:30:40.020 We have religious longings. The leftists who go out in ecstasy to jump and dance around and,

00:30:45.800 and rob the Nike store at their worst, they are engaging in a sort of community. They're engaging

00:30:50.940 in a sort of liturgy. They're engaging in a, a perverse inversion of sacraments. They are

00:30:57.840 celebrating their perverse understanding of virtue, which takes pride, the queen of all vices to,

00:31:05.100 to become the highest virtue of all. Not even just, it's not even just gay pride. It's all sorts of 0.96

00:31:09.140 pride. It's fat pride, skinny pride, all kinds of pride that just, it inverts all of them. It makes

00:31:15.640 wrath, which is a deadly sin, makes that into a virtue, takes humility, which is a virtue. It

00:31:22.720 inverts that. It says, nope, can't, no humility. That's awful. Patience. No, we have to be impatient.

00:31:28.640 Chastity. No, we have to be licentious and promiscuous. It just inverts all of it. Well, 0.99

00:31:34.620 okay, we're going to have a religion. Everybody's got to serve somebody to quote Bob Dylan. So that

00:31:39.560 is what is going on here. But I've got, I've got a question that I think so many people are not aware

00:31:45.400 of the religious character of, of these rituals. Okay, fine. And maybe we're not going to reach them

00:31:52.680 by asking these very heady sorts of questions. And, and point, or rather pointing out all these very

00:31:59.820 kind of esoteric observations about the way that the BLM people are, are rioting and the way that 1.00

00:32:08.520 we're talking about George Floyd and justice. Okay. Maybe you can ask simple questions though,

00:32:13.320 to get to the heart of this. Why is racism wrong? First, what is racism, right? Racial hatred,

00:32:22.860 I guess you would call, is that simple enough explanation or definition? Why is racism wrong?

00:32:27.400 I can say why racism is wrong because it's an affront against human dignity because man is

00:32:32.720 made in the image of God. Simple. Done. That's it. That's why it's wrong. I don't think about it too

00:32:37.880 much, but you know, that's why. If you were to ask me why it's wrong, that's what I would tell you.

00:32:42.080 Now let me ask you, atheist, leftist, why is racism wrong? If you're on the left, especially if you're

00:32:50.300 an atheist, materialist, there's no such thing as human dignity. There's no such thing as being made in

00:32:56.920 the image of God. You don't believe in God. We're all, life is just a sort of random accident,

00:33:02.300 isn't it? And we're all just somewhere on the evolutionary scale, moving toward whatever

00:33:07.980 the logic of random mutation wants us to move toward. There's no rhyme or reason. It's just,

00:33:13.380 this is all just a big cosmic joke. So if that's true, if there is no divine logic to the universe,

00:33:21.480 then racism's now wrong and they can't explain. And that's why they are racist, by the way, right?

00:33:27.900 I mean, that's why now the only, the only systemic racism that exists in the country,

00:33:33.100 legal racism, is against white people and Asian people in the form of affirmative action,

00:33:37.600 which disadvantages whites and Asians on the basis of their race and gives advantage to black

00:33:41.920 and Hispanic people on the basis of their race. This is why the left feels no problem coming out and

00:33:48.200 be, the only, the only overt racism that is permissible in the country right now is against 0.51

00:33:53.500 white people. But they'll say that's not racism and they can't quite explain what that is because

00:33:58.000 they can't explain what racism is. And even if they could, they couldn't explain why they're against

00:34:01.240 it. Okay. First part. Second part, why is murder wrong? Why is murder wrong? Let's say Derek Chauvin

00:34:08.020 murdered George Floyd. I don't think he did, but let's say he did. Why is that wrong? If there's no God,

00:34:13.680 if there's no image of God, if there is no human dignity, if there is no soul, if we're all just

00:34:21.240 kind of meat puppets and it's all just a joke and that our consciousness is just a delusion,

00:34:26.520 why is murder wrong? We're just meat puppets. It doesn't matter. There's no, there's no real

00:34:30.800 substantive difference. There's no, there's no difference in dignity and moral worth between

00:34:35.880 me and my Tumblr. So who cares? All right. I've never understood this with the, the radical left

00:34:42.020 that denies the whole moral order when they harp on the alleged epidemic of campus rape,

00:34:51.060 which is based on ridiculous statistics that I knocked down in my upcoming book,

00:34:56.540 Speechless, Controlling Words, Controlling Minds, available now for pre-order. Who knows for how

00:34:59.480 long that will be the case, but they will say, you know, there's a sexual assault epidemic right now.

00:35:04.560 Harvard is actually more dangerous for women than downtown Baghdad or something. And, uh, 1.00

00:35:10.580 therefore, uh, we, we've got to take this very, very seriously.

00:35:17.000 If sex doesn't matter, if sex is just, you know, we can all just engage in the hookup culture and 0.96

00:35:22.000 we're all just meat puppets. And if it feels good, do it. And it's, look, it's nothing. It's nothing. 0.95

00:35:26.000 It's just sex. Who cares? Come on. Stop making such a big deal. You prudes. If sex doesn't matter,

00:35:30.880 then why is sexual assault any worse than slapping someone in the face? 0.96

00:35:37.760 Why? It's all, it's, if, if sex doesn't matter in some metaphysical way,

00:35:44.760 then why is sexual assault? The act is just the same as any other kind of sex.

00:35:50.360 And if sex doesn't move the needle really, then even if you call it an assault, it's no different 0.91

00:35:57.120 than me punching my buddy in the shoulder, right? Now we all know that isn't true, but why,

00:36:02.640 why is murder wrong? And then the final question, the big question that we should all be asking

00:36:06.960 ourselves right now, but the left can't do it. What is justice? What is justice? There is an answer to

00:36:14.020 this question. Justice is giving to each what it deserves, putting things in their proper place,

00:36:22.200 acknowledging the objective moral order, and then aligning ourselves to that.

00:36:30.980 But if you don't believe in that, if you don't think there is an objective moral order,

00:36:34.980 if you don't think there is an objective moral arbiter, if you don't believe in any of that stuff,

00:36:41.240 then there is no justice. And there will be no peace. And they're right. And they're, if all,

00:36:49.700 I mean, their premises are totally off, but according to their premises, that's what's going to happen.

00:36:54.500 If this is all just about we human beings in our pride, trying to be as gods, right? The first lie

00:37:03.360 in the garden of Eden that created the radical leftist ideology, this according to Whitaker Chambers,

00:37:08.800 who wrote that excellent book, Witness, ex-communist, who was one of the people who was

00:37:12.240 influential in making Ronald Reagan turn from liberalism to conservatism. This idea, we shall

00:37:18.460 be as gods, we shall totally refashion society. And we'll make up our system of justice. We'll just

00:37:24.380 make it up. It's not the traditional conservative view is that our justice system is supposed to

00:37:29.320 reflect the objective order of justice. The modern liberal view is we'll just, we'll just make it up

00:37:36.380 whatever we want. That's going to be the justice system because that's what we want. Because all

00:37:39.960 that ultimately matters in politics is our will, our willfulness. And when we're talking about the

00:37:47.360 left, we're not talking about the higher will, the rational will that, that is the mediator between

00:37:51.700 the lower appetites and the divine will. It isn't that because they don't, they don't believe that

00:37:55.720 that sort of thing exists. So it's just that lower base appetite. Is that justice? I don't think so.

00:38:02.840 Speaking of lower base desires, give you a great example of this in an unjust society.

00:38:07.720 There's a video just put up by Angela Stanton King, who is a right-wing activist. This was

00:38:13.700 apparently the South Beach area LGBT club called Palace. The Blaze reported on this video where it's

00:38:21.580 at this drag bar and they bring little kids up on stage and have them pick up the dollar bills that

00:38:28.100 are being thrown at them during this performance. Take a listen.

00:38:31.080 Now I'm sitting here trying to figure out why in the hell these people got these 0.99

00:38:35.740 little bitty ass kids at this drag show, y'all. 0.99

00:38:40.280 But it's 11.30 at night. 0.99

00:38:41.600 It is 11.40 at night. These people have children in a drag show in LA on a beach. Look at this

00:38:49.240 look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.

00:39:19.220 Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.

00:39:25.060 Wait, hold on. I got the 20-year-old.

00:39:29.040 Got them picking up the money off the floor like they strippers and shit now. 1.00

00:39:33.480 So we obviously blurred out the image. We don't want these little girls' faces to be out there. 0.99

00:39:39.040 And we had to bleep out the woman's commentary. But I actually wish we didn't have to bleep out the

00:39:44.300 woman's commentary because although I prefer not to use coarse language in public, I prefer not to go

00:39:50.460 blue, I think this woman is saying exactly what we're all thinking. I think this woman, frankly, if

00:39:57.300 anything, she was being restrained. Could you imagine if you, well, I guess you wouldn't be there, right?

00:40:02.420 You wouldn't be at some drag bar in South Beach that would have kids dancing on the stage.

00:40:06.000 But if you were and you saw that, what must you think? This is such a deeply unjust society

00:40:14.540 that would permit this sort of thing. And yet, according to the logic of the left that the left

00:40:19.660 is pushing, especially on this gender issue, what's wrong with that? No, it's fun. It's nice. It's open.

00:40:26.140 It's tolerant. It's liberating. That these little, little itty-bitty girls are being treated, or I

00:40:32.060 don't know if they're girls or they're boys who dress like girls. I don't know. I don't know. I 0.90

00:40:34.940 didn't pay close enough attention to the video, and you shouldn't either. Let's just call them

00:40:38.420 girls. What's wrong with them being treated like strippers and picking up the, stripping is 1.00

00:40:42.920 empowering. What's being, what's wrong with them having dollar bills thrown at them like they're,

00:40:48.200 like they're just meat puppets, you know, like they're just flesh. We're just flesh. That's all we all

00:40:52.160 are, right? What's wrong with them being sexualized? We're told that little children,

00:40:57.400 three-year-old kids ought to be able to make the decision to castrate themselves and to mutilate 0.81

00:41:04.900 their bodies because they know their true sexual essence. They have a deep sexual nature. 0.98

00:41:11.520 They are, they are sexualized from the very beginning and they possess the ability to consent

00:41:17.120 to these sorts of things, right? So we got to get rid of age of consent laws. We have to, if you,

00:41:22.840 if you say that a little kid can make the informed decision to mutilate himself and to cut off his 0.95

00:41:28.060 genitals, certainly that little kid can make the informed decision to dance around for dollars. 1.00

00:41:33.320 That's a, that's a far less outrageous sexual sort of decision. Surely that little kid can consent

00:41:39.520 to sexual behavior if you're granting the premise that the kid can castrate himself.

00:41:45.740 Where is the, there doesn't need to be a coherence. There doesn't need to be a logic here because

00:41:52.680 what the left, the left is ultimately denying that in favor of willfulness and interest. If I want it,

00:42:00.100 it is good. That is ultimately what this is coming down to. Injustice never enters the equation.

00:42:09.280 We are not going to get more peace. The verdict that we got here is not going to result in peace

00:42:17.460 in this country. To quote the libs, no justice, no peace. That's, that's not a, it's not even just

00:42:24.440 a threat. It's often a threat when they make it. They're saying, if you don't give me what I want,

00:42:28.660 I'm going to burn down the country. But it's also just an observation. If you don't have justice,

00:42:31.840 you won't have peace. I'll, I'll take this in a very, very small example here.

00:42:39.600 Last night, some lady, I don't know. Some, I assume a lady. I don't know. Maybe, maybe that's 1.00

00:42:44.520 an unjust description. Someone tweets at me from an anonymous Twitter account says, I just listened

00:42:50.600 to your show for about three minutes. I have to say you're, I have to say you're one of the most

00:42:54.580 disgusting people I've ever heard speak. Okay. I don't, I don't mention this because this is the 1.00

00:43:00.200 first mean tweet I've ever gotten. You know, I get, I get, get a lot of those. Everybody does on

00:43:04.100 Twitter. I bring it up because I want to know what mania impels somebody to speak this way to

00:43:13.880 a perfect stranger. What mania impels you to do that? And I thought this tweet was just perfect

00:43:20.320 as they say, I listened to your show. I listened to you for three minutes. You're one of the most

00:43:22.880 disgusting people I've ever heard. Right? I know, I know very little about you. I know basically 1.00

00:43:26.660 nothing about you, but I hate you. It's basically what this person is saying. There are two things 0.94

00:43:32.480 that could impel someone to do that. One is just trolling and people do that on Twitter.

00:43:39.160 Right? They just, they just tweet, regardless of what they believe, they just tweet to try to get

00:43:43.340 a reaction out of you because it's funny because it can be funny. The other thing is ideology where

00:43:47.420 you just, where you believe that really there is this embodiment of pure evil and it's the, you know,

00:43:52.800 the straight white conservative man. He's the most evil person in the world and so therefore you've got 0.96

00:43:56.940 to silence him, ostracize him, censor him, or worse, physically threaten him as, as is often the 0.86

00:44:02.380 case. If you're Maxine Waters, for instance, you, you physically, you, you encourage riots. Okay.

00:44:12.240 Either way, if it's ideology or if it's trolling, even actually even more so if it's trolling,

00:44:18.580 just a word of caution to people when we think about justice, you are imperiling your soul if you

00:44:26.160 do this sort of thing. I think there is an idea that what we do in politics, what we do on TV,

00:44:31.000 what we do in the newspapers or especially what we do on the internet doesn't matter. It's just

00:44:37.880 pretend. The internet isn't real. It's just make believe it is real. It is because you really are

00:44:44.560 doing it. It's, it's all the things you look at on the internet, the things you say to other people

00:44:50.480 on the internet, the ways you behave when you think that nobody is looking actually do matter

00:44:56.900 because regardless of what the left wants us to believe about the nature of justice,

00:45:00.680 there really is an objective moral order. There actually is justice and we will be accountable

00:45:06.060 someday for the things that we do. And we want to pretend in our liberal decadent culture that we

00:45:12.520 can just sort of push a pause, that we can just sort of suspend the rules and kind of do whatever we

00:45:17.260 want because that's my individual autonomy. That's what, that's what I will. And my willfulness is all

00:45:22.060 said to matter, but that's not the case. There actually is an objective moral order. And when

00:45:28.380 you turn away from that, and when you do evil things, and when you spend your life involved in

00:45:32.960 injustice and crime, things don't turn out well in the here or in the hereafter. You think the anger's

00:45:42.980 over? No justice, no peace. BLM protesters in New York ran up to some people, I guess mostly white

00:45:50.020 people who were at a restaurant, screaming to the white people, get out of New York. 0.94

00:45:54.340 We don't want you here. We don't want you here. We don't want your money. 0.99

00:46:03.960 We don't want your f***ing money. We don't want your f***ing taqueria. 1.00

00:46:08.280 We don't want your f***ing taqueria. Owned by a f***ing white man. 1.00

00:46:12.500 Oh my f***ing white man. Tip 30%. Tip 30%. 1.00

00:46:16.500 Tip 30%.

00:46:18.620 So this guy seems a little bit confused, doesn't he? Because he's saying,

00:46:28.700 there are a lot of problems with what he's saying. The first is, you white man, you white devils, 0.99

00:46:33.940 we don't want your taquerias. I said, wait, hold on a second. Last I checked, taquerias are, 1.00

00:46:39.880 they're usually not associated with like England, right? You know, they're not, they're kind of a

00:46:44.700 more, they're different. Isn't that more of a Latino kind of thing? Or the Latino is white? I don't, 0.53

00:46:49.520 I didn't think that. I thought they were people of color, but I guess for the purposes of this guy

00:46:53.620 screaming at people dining in the street, then they're white people. Obviously this guy 0.61

00:46:58.860 should be arrested. This guy should not, this guy who is disturbing the peace,

00:47:05.060 who is making a big nuisance of himself, should, should not be permitted to do these sorts of

00:47:09.940 things in society. A just society would, would take care of someone like that. But probably,

00:47:15.760 I'm not saying even put him in prison necessarily. He should be in an institution somewhere,

00:47:19.380 okay? As well as the maniacs following him. Then to say, we don't, we, we, who is the we? 1.00

00:47:27.720 Is that black people? Is that, I don't know. We don't want you white people here in New York. 1.00

00:47:34.460 White people have been in New York for a long time. York, I isn't, I think that name comes from a place 0.95

00:47:42.120 in England, doesn't it? Does it? Before New York was New York, it was New Amsterdam. Amsterdam,

00:47:47.580 there are a lot of white people in Amsterdam too, just as there were in New Amsterdam.

00:47:53.140 What is the argument here? Yeah, I guess his argument is that white people shouldn't, 0.51

00:47:57.300 it's not legitimate for them to be in New York. It's unjust for them to be in New York. What?

00:48:03.080 Huh? No, he's not making any argument though, really. He's just saying, I don't want you here.

00:48:08.880 My will, my base degraded, degenerate, lower will is insisting that we kick all of you people out.

00:48:18.580 And that is now effectively our system of justice in this country.

00:48:25.600 There will not be peace if that is taken to be our system of justice. There can't be

00:48:30.500 because there's nothing to rely on. A great consolation in this world is even though we

00:48:37.660 all suffer injustices, I know it's very fashionable now on the BLM left to say that only black people

00:48:42.500 ever suffer injustice. And you know, white people, they've got it so good. And on the feminist left, 0.95

00:48:46.620 only women ever suffer injustice. And man, man, we got it so good. And only on the intersectional 0.96

00:48:52.120 sort of sexual left, only homosexuals and transsexuals and whoever, people who have kind 0.96

00:48:57.460 of unusual sexual behaviors, only they have a bad, but straight people, oh man, they got 0.97

00:49:03.580 it so good. Now, you know, everybody suffers injustice. It's a fallen world and sin and

00:49:07.700 death pervade the world. And a ballast for us here, a great consolation is that ultimately

00:49:14.040 there is justice. Ultimately, there is the ultimate arbiter, the big judge in the sky,

00:49:21.260 right? And that our justice system here on earth is meant to pursue that very justice,

00:49:28.120 that very same justice, which is eternal, even if it is imperfectly applied in this world.

00:49:34.040 If we lose faith in that because we now have faith in some bizarre religious understanding,

00:49:40.080 some totally perverse religious understanding of the world, then there really,

00:49:43.800 it will not be any peace. AOC, absolutely, absolutely right on that minor point.

00:49:51.260 She's probably cheering it on. I think the rest of us, people who are looking at the situation,

00:49:55.900 it's a little more sobriety. No one can celebrate what happened yesterday.

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The Michael Knowles Show - April 21, 2021

Ep. 747 - The Unjust Verdict

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