The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - June 21, 2022


151. Alt-Right Conspiracy or Immigration Disaster？ ｜ Lauren Southern


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00:00:00.000 I think as many men as possible should join women's sports. You are missing out. Why wouldn't
00:00:05.140 you go and win some medals for yourself in this rigged system? It makes no sense. You don't even
00:00:10.040 have to do anything. You don't have to cut anything off. You just identify. It doesn't
00:00:13.280 matter. And also what that's going to do is I actually think that can help a lot of people
00:00:16.880 because if you had a mass wave of people join women's sports tomorrow, then that would force
00:00:21.780 the hand of a lot of lawmakers and politicians to say, oh, this really isn't making sense. We're
00:00:27.380 going to have to do something about this. Um, it would rip the bandaid off. I think it would
00:00:31.340 red pill tons of parents and people partake partaking in these sports. I think anyone
00:00:35.880 watching this, if you are a man that, you know, has the ability to go have some fun and join some
00:00:40.200 women's leagues, uh, go do it. Absolutely win all those medals while you can in this brief period
00:00:44.840 of history and save our nation in the process of doing that. You know, yeah, you know, a few women
00:00:49.800 might lose scholarships, but that's better than, uh, our whole nation being in delusion for the
00:00:55.440 rest of eternity. Welcome to episode 151 of my podcast. I'm Michaela Peterson. Today's guest
00:01:05.540 is Lauren Southern. I haven't spoken to her very much since I first started podcasting,
00:01:09.900 but I had her back on to discuss her recent documentary, American Mirage, about the American
00:01:16.180 immigration crisis. You can actually watch the entire thing on YouTube. I've linked it in the
00:01:20.780 show notes. We also spoke about politics, hyper-individualization, trans athletes,
00:01:26.960 rumors online, the San Bernardo massacres, and more. I hope you enjoy this conversation.
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00:03:01.020 Lauren Southern, welcome to my podcast. Thanks for having me before we, uh, I mean,
00:03:06.900 actually hit the record button. We were just talking about how much shit you get on the 0.99
00:03:10.480 internet. Yeah. Yeah. You as well. It's rough. It can be rough. Yeah. It's always good to have 1.00
00:03:20.820 a mix of both like accusations of being a far right terrorist. And then also people going
00:03:25.760 after your family, you know, you got to get that good balance between the two. But what I was saying
00:03:30.200 that your producer was like, Oh, say that again, Lauren was I was on like a podcast a few weeks
00:03:34.760 ago and people were bringing up in the comments and whatnot. They're like, Oh, Michaela Peterson
00:03:38.960 is a fraud. She's, she's just made up this lying diet. She's scamming people. And every time I see 0.98
00:03:44.760 that it triggers me so much because I remember hanging out with you. What year would this have
00:03:49.340 been that you came to my little like 500 square foot apartment? I think it was 2016. Yeah. This
00:03:55.580 is like 2016 before you had social media presence. You would, did you have brown hair then? Am I
00:04:00.220 crazy? Yeah. Yeah. So it was, yeah, it was before blonde hair. It was a while ago, a while ago. And
00:04:05.840 we had a glass of wine and you just kept going off about, Oh Lord, I've had all these autoimmune
00:04:11.820 issues. I'm obsessed with like this new diet thing I'm creating. I'm eliminating all of these
00:04:16.540 different foods. I remember going for dinner with your family and you got, you only putting
00:04:21.380 meat on the table and I had no context. And I was like, what's wrong with these people? Why are they
00:04:26.160 only serving like meat for every dish? So this is like, for anyone who thinks this is like some
00:04:31.580 crazy fraud that you and your dad are trying to scam people over. No, they've always been
00:04:36.740 this weird guys. This is like, you're getting full unfiltered, real weirdness that works for
00:04:41.820 them. And a lot of people, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I think you actually came,
00:04:46.600 did you come over for dinner in 2016? And then I, we hung out at your place a couple of weeks later.
00:04:52.180 Yeah. That was weird. Yeah. Yeah. That was, you guys didn't, you didn't tell me at all about
00:04:58.480 your like only meat diet. So I was just sitting there. I'm like, where's the salad guys?
00:05:03.760 Anything? Yeah, no, we were, it was a bit, yeah, it's awkward at the beginning.
00:05:08.720 Whatever it is, what it is. I love weird people. I love weird people. That was a lot of fun. It was
00:05:13.460 good. Um, chatting with you, but yeah, it was like right before that powder keg just blew up.
00:05:19.220 And then your dad was an international celebrity, man, that must've done a lot to your psyche. Like
00:05:24.740 how did that affect you? Michaela on the, on the Lauren Southern podcast. Um, how did that,
00:05:33.380 how did that affect me? Honestly, like I was kind of, I was so wrapped up in health things at the
00:05:39.960 time. I mean, you hung out with me. It was like hung out and I just talked about like, Whoa,
00:05:44.340 this is crazy. I'm eliminating things and I'm getting better. Isn't that crazy? Like the first
00:05:48.360 time we hung out. So I think I was so wrapped up in like my autoimmunity disappearing with dietary
00:05:53.640 changes that I was like, that's serious. That's like incurable disorders going into remission.
00:05:59.600 And then dad blowing up online. It was like, it was hard to understand how much of that was like
00:06:05.340 just the online world. Cause I was kind of not attached to it. So it only started impacting me.
00:06:10.680 I think if really, um, dad went on tour, so then I didn't see him as much. And then a few years
00:06:15.900 later when they started getting, it started getting really personal for like online articles,
00:06:20.800 attacking like health really. And my family, like that started to impact me. But at the time,
00:06:30.700 I think it was too new. Plus it was like, what does that even mean? And how long is this going
00:06:35.460 to last? And we didn't know what was going on. So I think it was too wrapped up in health stuff
00:06:39.540 at the time. Yeah. Well, that's, that's a nice little trade-off. You finally get rid of like
00:06:43.480 your physical health issues and then you get to trade them for a bunch of mental health issues
00:06:47.720 cause of our internet fame. So that's really cool. Yeah. Super fun. Super fun. Okay. Okay.
00:06:53.940 Lauren, you were on my podcast when I first launched the podcast, like right, right at the
00:06:59.400 beginning when, Oh my gosh, life was so bad. I was in Serbia with dad. That's where I filmed with you
00:07:06.360 and he was so sick and life was so bad, but you came on my podcast. That was a long time ago.
00:07:12.020 And now you're back. So for anyone who doesn't know you somehow, can you give a brief background
00:07:17.500 about who you are and what it is you do? Yeah, I was a big far right internet villain for many
00:07:24.540 years. Um, started in politics when I was like 18, 19, uh, kind of at the crux of the Trump
00:07:31.020 movement, 2016 gamer gate, all that stuff. And, uh, then I disappeared for a year in 2018, 2019,
00:07:39.360 2019, um, focus on family, all of that. And now I'm back and more relevant than ever.
00:07:46.720 zealous internet celebrity over here. No, but, uh, no, it's good. I'm just making videos here
00:07:52.240 and there on my political interests, just coming out with a new documentary called American Mirage.
00:07:56.600 In fact, it is out tomorrow. Super exciting on the immigration crisis to the U S. Um, yeah. So
00:08:03.660 just focusing on, on these, uh, more specific projects rather than kind of, I did, I did the
00:08:09.080 whole viral streeter, like hot content for a long time, but, uh, I'm kind of enjoying
00:08:15.660 this more chill arc. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. Okay. And, and immigration documentary.
00:08:22.920 So like to keep out, it's so funny. It's so funny. My, uh, fiance is kind of like,
00:08:28.360 he's like all American. I wouldn't say he's anti-immigrant, but like he makes immigrant
00:08:34.280 jokes occasionally. And I'm like, you, you know, you're marrying one. How's it feel? How's it feel
00:08:39.540 coming in here, stealing your jobs as an immigrant? That's what I'm doing, Jordan.
00:08:44.420 So true. Well, this, this documentary is actually entirely from the perspective of
00:08:49.000 migrants themselves. Um, the reason that I do that in a lot of cases is because people perceive
00:08:55.300 my work as anti-immigrant all the time. Um, and also because Americans tend to not look at
00:09:04.180 the border situation or understand the border situation until it actually enters America.
00:09:08.480 I think looking at it from the immigrants perspective gives you a new, a new view on
00:09:13.140 what's going on, um, at the, at the Mexican border. And then it also makes it far more
00:09:19.900 difficult to criticize because I can see people criticizing and saying, you're only looking from
00:09:23.680 the American perspective, Lauren, you're only looking at these people as, you know, not human
00:09:28.020 beings. They're just like a horde of invaders or whatever. Well, no, even when you look at these
00:09:32.500 situations from the migrants perspective, this is a messy and broken situation. We're dealing
00:09:37.620 with the American migration process or lack thereof, right? It doesn't matter whose perspective
00:09:42.780 you look at it from it. It's, it's messy and something needs to change. Okay. Can you, um,
00:09:49.060 can you give me a background about exactly what's going on? That's an interesting perspective.
00:09:52.680 I think valuable. So what, what is, what's the problem? And as a Canadian, I'm like,
00:09:57.080 it's America's problem. Um, but now I'm in America. So what exactly is the problem with
00:10:02.840 immigration between, I guess, on, on the lower border? Well, I I'd say certainly from the
00:10:08.820 migrants perspective, there is no real immigration system. They hear every day of friends or family
00:10:15.760 that will apply to legally go to America and they never get a call back. They never get maybe 15
00:10:21.640 years waiting in the system or never anything. Cause they don't have the financial support.
00:10:25.460 They don't have the job background.
00:10:27.400 They don't have someone they're tied to in the U S that can bring them over.
00:10:30.520 So the idea of legally immigrating is impossible for some of these people.
00:10:35.640 And then they hear time and time again, a friend who's now living in California,
00:10:39.040 New York, wherever that did a month long trek over the border and they're living it up.
00:10:44.060 And they start to assume that, well, that's just the process you have to go through,
00:10:48.140 especially coming from broken countries where, you know, they've got a corrupt government.
00:10:52.040 And if you want to get anything done, you have to pay off a few cops.
00:10:54.820 You have to pay off a few government officials. They look at America and they're like,
00:10:58.380 it's the same. If I want to immigrate there, I just have to go there illegally. I have to
00:11:02.940 get a coyote. This is the process of becoming an American is paying a coyote is going over
00:11:07.960 illegally. And that's very similar to our own governments. And you know what? They're not
00:11:12.600 wrong to think it because America has been letting it happen for years and years and years. And
00:11:16.940 they're legalizing these people. They're allowing them to live in America after they immigrate
00:11:21.240 illegally. So why are immigrants supposed to think any different? That's interesting. So it actually
00:11:27.720 is the process basically. Yeah. Basically now it is you're, I, you are a thousand, especially if
00:11:33.060 you're one of these people coming from South America, you don't have a passport anymore.
00:11:36.340 You're someone that's poor living in Mexico. Why you're not going to get through legally and
00:11:41.060 everyone, you know, that does get over is typically getting through illegally. Why would you do
00:11:45.920 anything else? And, you know, they even think of it, you have to pay like 3000, 5,000 bucks to
00:11:50.340 some of these coyotes to go over the border. And funny enough, a lot of people could just walk over
00:11:54.620 themselves, but in certain regions, the coyotes, uh, or, um, the cartel will actually shoot you
00:12:01.300 at night. If you try to walk over yourself, because they want to make sure that it's known
00:12:05.320 you have to go through us. You can't just, you know, make your own way. Um, so they're like,
00:12:10.600 okay, yeah. When I get to the border, I pay the cartel. That's part of the process. And then I
00:12:14.660 get to become an American. So they actually, they just view that as yeah, the system.
00:12:21.500 So did you go down there and do interviews? Yeah. So I went all the way down to Guatemala
00:12:26.860 and we, I actually illegally crossed into Guatemala, but what I say, gosh, can you say
00:12:34.600 that? Is that okay to say it costs 20 pesos? I think that's like 99 cents, not even. So it
00:12:42.700 cost 20 pesos there and back to go illegally into Guatemala. And I'm not kidding the boats that they
00:12:48.520 have that you take over with these human traffickers. Sometimes they are literally
00:12:54.620 underneath official immigration checkpoints. It's like taking the piss. You've got the official
00:12:59.700 checkpoint. You can go and do the whole stupid passport process, or you can just go under the 1.00
00:13:03.280 bridge and pay 20 pesos and go to Guatemala. Yeah. So we went there, we had a few beers. We 1.00
00:13:08.460 spoke to the locals that were living across the Sushiate river. And then, um, you know,
00:13:14.100 we hopped on the boat, went back to Mexico and took the whole track. We followed, we followed
00:13:19.500 the track that they would take straight from the waterfront all the way to the U S border,
00:13:24.340 border Reynosa. You're insane. This is why people attack you online. Like who does that? 0.99
00:13:30.960 Were you stressed out about that at all? Um, I had armed security. Do you experience stress,
00:13:35.640 Lauren? I think I thrive in chaos, Michaela. Okay. It's not good. It's not healthy, but I do,
00:13:42.280 I try to make it organized chaos enough that I won't die. And what I've learned after all these
00:13:46.480 trips is, um, as long as you have a local, that's pretty savvy and knows the area and has
00:13:53.320 connections, you'll be pretty okay. So I had, I had a really great security team. My, my one local
00:13:59.400 guy who, who, uh, was armed, you know, always had the Glock in the back of his pants. And then,
00:14:04.400 he'd been in shootouts with Sicarios and everything before as well. Great guy. Um,
00:14:09.720 and then we had like a crew that were back at their, uh, kind of Intel office that would call
00:14:15.960 the local police and cities that we were going to. And they had great Intel. Like we were in a
00:14:20.080 city called Tierra Blanca and we had three police officers come up to us and our, um, you know,
00:14:26.340 Intel guys let us know, Hey, Sicarios know you're here. They're watching you. So you should get out
00:14:29.980 of the town before nightfall, because obviously they want to kidnap foreign crews, especially
00:14:34.740 camera crews that they can get money off of and whatnot. So we got out of that city before
00:14:38.580 nightfall, got to a safe, uh, different place, Vera Cruz. And as long as you kind of had that
00:14:44.400 connection or conversation and made sure you were allowed to do things. When I was in Tamaulipas,
00:14:48.780 we spoke to the cartel and they let us know areas that we weren't allowed to film. Otherwise
00:14:53.480 they'd shoot us. So we didn't go and film there. Right. That's fair. I mean, as long as they're
00:14:58.120 kind of, it's weird. Um, I've spent quite a bit of time traveling in the last couple of years and
00:15:03.960 I wasn't aware, like, I don't think people in America to a lot of people like never leave
00:15:08.520 America are aware of how different cultures can be, but there are cultures that just operate
00:15:12.740 like that. Like, as long as you know, the rules, it's fine. It's not like it's lawless. There are
00:15:17.300 rules. It's just, the rules are, you know, from the mafia and those are the rules. So instead of
00:15:22.120 you know, the government, right? Yeah, absolutely. And like, okay, so people might think this is
00:15:28.560 unethical, but it's not because you don't get anything done in other countries that you have
00:15:31.340 to pay off the police. You have to, if you go to another country where you're potentially going to
00:15:35.100 get killed, or there's like lots of crime and stuff, you have to pay off the police for
00:15:38.400 information just, you know, or to tell you where to go or to tell you if they're going to like
00:15:42.520 watch you and make sure you're going to be safe. So there are a lot of things you can do to be
00:15:46.120 safe. And of course I had lots of opportunities that, um, I could have gone and done and watched
00:15:51.900 that. I chose not to because it was too much of a gamble. Uh, one example is we actually ran into,
00:15:56.460 I love, I love doing this. It was so cool. I was looking on Google maps for areas that I thought
00:16:02.840 might be, um, major crossing points in over the Texas border. I think it was across from McAllen,
00:16:10.000 Texas. And I found this one area where the Trump's wall just stopped. It was done. I had a drone.
00:16:16.820 So I was also like going over these areas and looking for areas that would be breaks in the
00:16:20.200 wall and Trump's wall just stopped. And there was like this Texan country club. And I'm like,
00:16:25.040 there's no way there's not human trafficking going on here. There's no way they aren't crossing here
00:16:28.660 because there's just no border wall. So we went there for like four nights and just stayed there
00:16:34.100 until, because we had been told by our cartel contact, they typically go over at around 4am
00:16:39.080 because that's when switch shifts are for, uh, you know, American border security. Everyone's
00:16:44.000 pretty sluggish at that time. And the first morning we spent there, we ran into human
00:16:49.740 traffickers. They had like all these life jackets. Oh, I was so embarrassing. I'm like, what do I do?
00:16:56.560 What do I do? We're in the middle of the woods. You know, there's potentially armed human
00:16:59.700 traffickers. They're walking towards us. And my Dora, the Explorer ass just walks out from behind
00:17:04.400 the car. And I'm like, hola amigos, how are you doing this morning? Oh, and they, they luckily 0.93
00:17:10.600 ran off, but we could have followed them. Maybe we would have gotten some interesting footage,
00:17:14.300 but typically they take two security, like armed guards that pick them off and pick them up and
00:17:19.980 drop them off. Luckily we just ran into the boat men, but we weren't about to find out who they
00:17:24.040 were being picked up by. Right. So just let that one be. That seems, that seems wise. That seems
00:17:30.700 like a wise decision. It's like, do we chase those people that might end up with, you know, guns or
00:17:35.120 no, no. Good. I'm glad you're here. Now you can be on my podcast. Exactly. I actually thought about
00:17:41.040 that there. I was like, you know what? I've got the Michaela Peterson podcast going. I can't,
00:17:45.100 I can't be doing this. Wow. Okay. So how long did this documentary take to film?
00:17:52.040 I took a little over two weeks. That's, it sounds like such a small time,
00:17:55.620 but it was actually meant to be like a mini report. Actually, no, it took more than that.
00:18:00.100 My on the ground time was a little over two weeks. And then I did a few interviews with, uh,
00:18:05.700 Allie Bradley and Dan Lyman from Borderhawk. So that was done afterwards. So I'd say the
00:18:13.500 editing and filming process has been about four months. Wow. And how did your last documentary
00:18:19.860 perform? Crossfire did fantastic. I only published it on my own site. So I think I need to put it on
00:18:26.280 YouTube. I was a bit concerned about my YouTube channel being taken down because it's just kind
00:18:30.000 of repeated clips of violence, shootings, blood, et cetera. But yeah, it did really well, like over
00:18:35.540 you know, over a million views on my own site. So that's, uh, that's really cool. We worked hard
00:18:40.320 on that, but, but this always happens. I'll find an amazing film crew and they always get poached
00:18:45.340 or taken Tucker Carlson to my film crew for that. If you guys don't know, um, Scooter Downey,
00:18:51.880 he did crossfire with me, incredibly talented man. He's now doing all of Tucker Carlson originals
00:18:57.440 videos, go follow him. He's doing some of the most important work in the world right now.
00:19:01.500 And of course, behind the scenes, people always get too little appreciation and tend to take the blame for any mistakes made by their more famous counterparts or bosses.
00:19:13.120 I've seen so many people that work behind the scenes, get their lives screwed over, but they deserve way more appreciation.
00:19:18.760 All the people who are doing filming, editing, all this stuff for big creators.
00:19:23.980 That's fair. That's fair. So Tucker poached him.
00:19:26.920 I know what a horrible man. No, no, no. He Tucker could pay him what he deserves. I don't
00:19:32.600 have the Fox news budget. So I'm proud of Scooter. He's doing good work.
00:19:38.620 Cool. Okay. So then you had to go out and find another crew. How do you locate a crew that's
00:19:42.920 willing to do that kind of thing? There are very few people, especially within conservatism,
00:19:47.520 right-wing movements that actually do creative work. It's our own fault for telling everyone
00:19:54.260 that going into the arts was a mistake. Don't do it. You can only get trades. Otherwise you're a
00:19:59.600 liberal cuck. Right. Uh, and then, wow, shocking. We lost the culture war because we lost the arts, 0.99
00:20:05.300 movie-making everything that influences people's souls, hearts, and minds. Great work guys. So
00:20:10.980 there's like four filmmakers on the right wing. Um, my last two, my first, no, no, no, they would
00:20:17.160 have been like, yeah, the first guys I did documentaries with, they got completely slandered
00:20:20.800 by the right wing, uh, all lies. Uh, I'll be talking about that shortly. So they left and
00:20:26.000 they decided they hated working with people in right-wing politics and now work for some
00:20:29.460 leftist channel. They're like, y'all are just too insane. Um, second guy, Scooter got, um, 0.99
00:20:35.680 he got poached by Tucker and then a partner of Scooter's, John Dutoy, who works with, um,
00:20:42.540 he worked with Cernovich on his films and also with Scooter a few times. Uh, he helped me with
00:20:47.120 this American mirage by helped me. I mean, he did all the editing and filming amazing,
00:20:51.340 amazing work by John DeToya on this documentary coming out. So, uh, and I think he wants to
00:20:56.660 retire. I don't think he wants to do video work anymore. So I need to go find some more, uh,
00:21:01.360 artsy film people, or I'm not going to have another documentary, but damn, they're hard to 0.96
00:21:05.660 find. Thanks a lot. I, you know what? I liked Dennis Prager. I grew up listening to him, 0.84
00:21:09.500 but all those Prager new videos that are like, you shouldn't follow your dreams.
00:21:14.580 don't go into the arts. They ruined it for me. Oh yeah. No, fair enough. I think daily wire is
00:21:21.920 doing some interesting work in that, like with, um, trying to, I know that they're trying to start
00:21:27.240 making movies or something like, so they're, they're trying to take it on.
00:21:32.880 I was just at their studio a few weeks ago with Michael Knowles and we did this cool little
00:21:37.740 drinking show. And I liked that. I like that they're taking a different approach. It was like
00:21:41.460 a drinking game. So you had to ask each other questions and vote whether you thought the other
00:21:45.580 person was going to say yes or no. And then you think, I want to do that. Yeah, you should
00:21:49.420 absolutely do it. I was the first, uh, female guest he had on the show. So clearly he needs to
00:21:55.260 up, uh, up the anti-woman guy from the daily wire. Typical, absolutely typical. Um, what was
00:22:05.260 I going to say? Yeah. I like that because they're creating content that isn't just kind of the same
00:22:10.340 conservative format of let me tell you about policy issues for two hours.
00:22:16.700 We need, we need something a bit different. Yeah. A little bit more, you know, not to say
00:22:21.880 clickbaity, but I mean, a little bit more entertaining humans. We need to show that
00:22:26.480 we are human beings. I think that's the biggest optics problem. The right has people are like,
00:22:31.220 okay, you guys are actually just people who wear suits and you don't, you don't like sex.
00:22:38.200 You don't like drinking. You don't like music. You don't like arts. You don't like any of this.
00:22:43.960 You just like talking about policy and staring at a camera. And it's like, well, no, no, actually
00:22:48.080 conservatives are complex human beings with lots of interests. Just, I think we fear talking about
00:22:52.680 those interests and complexity a lot since there's so much judgment in, uh, all political spheres
00:22:58.780 actually. And you're kind of supposed to stick to that box. Like it's kind of like if a liberal
00:23:02.880 makes a joke in their shows, everyone's like, whoa, that's a bit too spicy. You're triggering
00:23:09.360 a lot of us. So they kind of have to adhere to this inhuman standard as well. And then if
00:23:13.840 conservatives are like, we're going to do a drinking show, I think it's less so now, but
00:23:18.540 maybe before you would have gotten a lot of criticism of that not being a emblematic of
00:23:23.640 conservative values. But I think that's dissipating and more people are beginning to, uh, beginning
00:23:28.600 to realize that conservatives need to show a human side as well. Yeah. Well, and a lot of the people
00:23:34.860 too, that four years ago or 2016, 2017, even 2018 that identified as liberals are now like,
00:23:40.340 maybe I'm not a liberal anymore because things have gone even further left, you know? Yeah.
00:23:45.140 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hard to, hard to say where anyone is with the state of the Overton window.
00:23:49.600 I don't even think, are you even, do you even consider yourself adhering to any political
00:23:53.400 ideology yourself? Um, I've always kind of like veered libertarian for forever. Like I remember
00:24:00.240 in 2012 and they're like, what do you identify with? I'm like, yeah, probably libertarian.
00:24:04.660 What's the, what's the party that says just like, leave me alone and let me think for myself. And
00:24:10.560 I don't need like rules put on me by anybody. Yeah. Libertarian, right. Maybe ish kind of,
00:24:17.260 I don't know. I don't trust anybody. I don't think anyone, like, I don't think anyone is
00:24:21.380 that competent. And I think that people who go into government also aren't that competent because
00:24:26.840 if you're competent, why not make a business and make hordes of money? It's like, Oh no,
00:24:31.480 I want to save the world. I'm like, you're going to save the world by going into government.
00:24:34.860 Right. Okay. The problem is all of the people who want power and want to get into politics
00:24:40.260 are the worst leaders and all the people who would be great leaders never in their lives
00:24:43.700 would get into politics. So yeah, exactly. That's a huge problem. It's a huge problem.
00:24:49.480 and then they villainize business owners as if like, Oh, those are the bad guys. It's like,
00:24:54.620 what? I don't know if I can agree with that evil corporate. I mean, there are some evil
00:24:58.220 corporations. There are a lot, but I don't know. Take out a phone book if they still exist and
00:25:03.100 just open it to a random page and point to a name. And that person gets to be president for four
00:25:07.720 years. Would it work out worse? It would probably be fine. Like that. It can't possibly be worse
00:25:16.100 than, than now. Right. As long as the guy had the reaction of, ah, damn it. I really don't want to
00:25:22.120 do this. Fine. I'll leave my working class job for four years and make some tough decisions.
00:25:27.200 And I don't really give a shit what people think of me or if they hate me or not, whatever. I think 0.97
00:25:32.340 that would work out a lot better than all of these like massively, because anytime you're
00:25:37.540 making a political calculation for, okay, am I going to, what decision do I have to make to win
00:25:42.700 four years from now? What decision do I have to make to win two years from now? You're always
00:25:47.200 going to be making these like instant quick hit decisions, none of which have time preference 0.91
00:25:52.360 for like, holy shit, how is this going to affect people 10 years from now? How is this going to 0.83
00:25:57.360 actually, yeah, it's all going to be just for the election cycle, which is a horrendous way to run
00:26:01.940 a country. So, so what you're saying is we should just have a dictator because that would just
00:26:07.140 eliminate that problem. Perhaps maybe. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Here's my theory. Actually. Um,
00:26:14.000 we, we look at China and everyone can jump up and down about how angry they are about, you know,
00:26:18.000 the social credit system, how oppressive they are, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. Just
00:26:22.540 because something is bad doesn't mean it doesn't work. And I think we have to, and I'm not saying
00:26:28.180 we do it. It's bad. So don't do it, but it works, right? It works. It's making them become a global
00:26:36.240 leader in a lot of ways. They are, they're finishing their hundred year plan. They are
00:26:40.440 getting the South China sea. They aren't having George Floyd to your rights. Actually, maybe
00:26:44.560 Hong Kong, you know, nevermind. I take that back, but there are a lot of aspects to authoritarianism
00:26:49.860 that can work. You can solve a lot of problems with genocide, but doesn't mean you should do it.
00:26:53.460 Right. So I think that that is a clip and a half. Yeah, that's definitely, I'm using that.
00:27:00.720 So that was, that was Stalin's argument though, right? It was that, you know, the Russia and that
00:27:07.060 area was going to be invaded by the West and they needed to rapidly evolve. And the only way to
00:27:12.800 rapidly evolve was for, you know, hundreds of thousands of potentially millions of people to
00:27:18.500 die, but then they evolved. So it was like, I think that that's kind of where China's coming
00:27:23.100 from too. It's like, it doesn't matter. You know, it's the culture that needs to survive. It's not
00:27:27.100 the person in the culture. Yeah. If you don't value individual human life, the way that a
00:27:32.320 liberal society does, although that's becoming questionable, um, then of course you're going to
00:27:37.840 make a decision for this conglomerate, this idea of the nation rather than the individual. And I
00:27:43.260 think there's a happy mix in there. I think we've probably got too much individualism in the West
00:27:47.000 to the point where it's like, I am willing to tank this entire country for my own freedom to
00:27:52.360 do whatever I want to do. Right. Uh, and lack of consideration, like everyone else has to pull
00:27:56.920 themselves up by their bootstraps. I don't care if you're like a 90 year old lady whose family
00:28:00.560 died and probably it would be the morally right thing to go and care for you and give up a little
00:28:04.840 bit of my selfishness. Um, I think that hyper individualism is a problem, but of course the
00:28:10.020 opposite hyper, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Michaela individual. I don't know. It would
00:28:19.600 be opposite of individual. Yeah. Collectivism. Thank you. Hyper collectivism, hyper, um, you
00:28:24.560 know, just being about everyone else that, that causes severe, severe issues as well.
00:28:30.020 Dehumanization for sure. How do you feel? I mean, you're on here, so we might as well get
00:28:34.400 controversial. How do you feel about this whole trans thing that's going on with men in women's
00:28:38.800 sports or sorry, no trans people in women's sports, I guess trans people in everybody's sports
00:28:44.500 that I butchered that, but that can be part of the clip too.
00:28:48.120 No, it's, it's interesting because on, on one hand, you know, this, this is a problem of the
00:28:54.080 hyper individualization. Like I can be anything I want, but then also they're demanding everyone
00:29:00.320 else except their hyper individualization. So we've got like this disgusting mix of both.
00:29:05.720 Like I want to be this collectivist nation. I want to be able to force other people to do what
00:29:09.460 I say, but then I also want to have these like hyper crazy individual rights that everyone else
00:29:14.380 has to adhere to. So if I identify as a he today, you have to call me a he by threat of, you know,
00:29:20.200 legal action, or if it can't be legal action, then I'll make it social action. You will be
00:29:25.260 socially excluded from civilization and likely fired from your job. That is insanely authoritarian
00:29:31.920 under the guise of freedom because they'll pretend like, Oh, this is my freedom to identify
00:29:36.900 as who I want. This is, I I'm being liberated to be who I want to be. But if your own liberation
00:29:42.380 comes at the cost of everyone else's freedom to even think or have opinions, well, I don't know
00:29:48.520 if that's really, I don't really know if I'd call that a freedom. Yeah, that's for sure. I saw,
00:29:54.900 I don't remember who posted it on Instagram, but it was some skateboarding contest. I don't know.
00:29:59.640 I think it was college people. They were skateboarding and, um, uh, uh, you know,
00:30:05.200 dude identifying as a girl one in the girls league. And the person who came in second was like,
00:30:10.220 you know what? I've been, you know, quiet long enough. This is ridiculous. Right. And I don't
00:30:16.200 see how that isn't going to, I used to kind of veer away from this topic because part of the
00:30:19.840 reason dad sprung to infamy or whatever, uh, was over the bill C-16 and his refusal to call people
00:30:29.660 like, you know, just to be made to call people something, you know, not, you know, anything
00:30:35.140 really. Um, I was like, I'm just going to delve away from that topic. Cause it's kind of
00:30:39.280 controversial. I'm not super interested in it, but recently, uh, it's gotten to a point. I think
00:30:44.700 more people are speaking out about it. That is just, it's bothering me more and more. Like I can,
00:30:49.420 I'm concerned about it with like a kid in school, whether or not the school is going to go woke and
00:30:54.320 then she's going to be competing against men. And it's like, yeah, we're at a weird point.
00:31:00.660 Well, just, it doesn't make sense to me because we split the categories in sports based on
00:31:06.840 people's biology, not because they're women who like dresses. And, you know, we, I talk with a
00:31:13.260 higher pitched voice and have longer hair. That's not why we split the categories. You can be the
00:31:17.400 biggest in the world and play in the women's category because that's what your biology is.
00:31:23.140 So if people are going to say, well, trans people are real because your gender and your sex are
00:31:28.840 different things. That's their argument, right? It doesn't matter if the sex of the transgender
00:31:32.800 person is they have a penis and that's, you know, the biology they're born with because their gender 0.97
00:31:37.420 is different. So why can't we just say, okay, fine, whatever. You can be whatever gender you 0.98
00:31:41.200 want, if you want your gender to be male, you have to still compete in the sport of your sex
00:31:45.660 though. Why? I don't understand if you want to split those two things time. But when we talk
00:31:50.460 about sports, we are obviously talking about people's sex, their biology, not their gender
00:31:54.900 expression. So like you're, I feel like they're undermining their own argument by suggesting no
00:32:00.400 sex and gender are the same. Yeah. And then, and, and then everybody at the school is scared to say
00:32:05.840 anything or they'll be labeled a bully. Okay. I was smiling there. Cause I forgot I'm having
00:32:09.960 this conversation with you. Didn't you change your, what did you change? I don't even know if
00:32:15.140 it's gender or sex. Are you gender, I guess in Canada years ago? Okay. Well, what's crazy is
00:32:20.780 that it does say sex on my ID card, but yeah, I changed my sex to male. I had to go get a doctor's
00:32:29.340 note to do it too. I had to have a doctor diagnosed me as male. And then I went to basically
00:32:34.880 our Canadian version of the DMV and went and presented my doctor's note. They started calling
00:32:39.460 me mister right away and gave me my new identification. And all of that was done
00:32:43.740 within a matter of like three hours. What year was that? 2016. Did that decision like haunt you
00:32:51.180 after that? I mean, I, yeah, definitely. I feel like it kind of takes the piss out of our
00:32:58.380 institutions, doesn't it? Well, no, that for sure. But I mean, did you end up in any trouble
00:33:02.660 because you had like man on your, on your ID? Did that ever come to bite you? I can recall
00:33:08.100 maybe three strange looks from bartenders. That's about it. But no one's going to say anything.
00:33:13.880 What you want to go to jail, make a comment on my ID. I do think that people absolutely did read
00:33:19.700 that when I would like give it at bars and stuff and think, wow, you pass. Well, friend. Yeah.
00:33:24.240 Good job. It's funny. The only time I ever did that, I was, I was at a theater and there was
00:33:32.380 this massive line. It was Halloween. So I was dressed as one wonder woman. Cause that was my
00:33:36.660 usual outfit on Halloween. And, uh, there was a huge line for the women's washroom. So I went
00:33:43.080 in the men's washroom. They're like, you can't be in here. And I was like, I'm identifying it.
00:33:46.440 I'm a man. I'm identifying as man. They're like, okay. So they just sent in a security guard
00:33:51.560 with me. They're like, wow, we'll send in a security guard with you. I was like, yes,
00:33:55.660 this works. The system works. They absolutely the system. If you can learn how to rig the system,
00:34:00.860 I think as many men as possible should join women's sports. You are missing out. Why wouldn't
00:34:06.020 you go and win some medals for yourself in this rigged system. It makes no sense. You don't even
00:34:10.920 have to do anything. You don't have to cut anything off. You just identify. It doesn't
00:34:14.160 matter. And also what that's going to do is I actually think that can help a lot of people,
00:34:17.760 because if you had a mass wave of people join women's sports tomorrow, then that would force
00:34:22.640 the hand of a lot of lawmakers and politicians to say, oh, this really isn't making sense.
00:34:28.040 We're going to have to do something about this. It would rip the bandaid off. I think it would
00:34:32.200 red pill, tons of parents and people partake, partaking in these sports. I think anyone watching
00:34:37.100 this, if you are a man that, you know, has the ability to go have some fun and join some women's
00:34:41.480 leagues, uh, go do it. Absolutely win all those medals while you can in this brief period of
00:34:45.840 history and save our nation in the process of doing that. You know, yeah, you know, a few women
00:34:50.680 might lose scholarships, but that's better than our whole nation being in delusion for the rest
00:34:56.520 of eternity. Hmm. You know what? I'm not, you know, normally what I've been saying is just
00:35:02.180 fight back. Like women on teams should be saying no, but they're not. So, I mean, it would certainly
00:35:07.420 be a lot faster if suddenly there were no women on any team because men are going to be objectively
00:35:12.360 stronger period. I was like, ah, suddenly there are no women. And then maybe someone will be like,
00:35:17.900 um, uh, maybe, maybe we've gone backwards. Well, they rely on the argument of it's just a few
00:35:25.660 here and there. What are you talking about? You know, uh, biological men aren't dominating all
00:35:29.900 of these fields. It's like, okay, it's just a few is not an argument because it could be more than
00:35:35.480 just a few one day, you know, it will be, it will be. Yeah. It's, it's not an argument to say, well,
00:35:40.940 you only have two or three examples. We don't want any more than that. We don't want more examples.
00:35:46.400 We want this to stop. Yeah. Insane. So let me see. I have a whole list of questions here.
00:35:55.660 that I wanted to ask you about that I haven't got to. Well, we talked about American Mirage.
00:35:59.700 So that's the documentary and I will link it below or in show notes if people want to check it out.
00:36:05.440 Um, let me see. Let me see. Okay. Well, this is, this could be fun. Um, can you tell me about the
00:36:14.580 South African farm attacks? Oh yeah. I mean, it's been, it's been a bit since I did that
00:36:20.400 documentary, but still my most popular to date, Farmlands, uh, the, the attacks on basically
00:36:26.300 white farmers, because there's so much racial animosity in the country against white people
00:36:30.620 who a lot of South African individuals now blame for any sort of crises the country faced, whether 0.99
00:36:38.380 it be poverty issues, wealth disparity, certainly all of this is blamed on the evil white man. 0.88
00:36:44.640 And of course the, the country does have a history of apartheid, but, um, don't want 0.96
00:36:51.220 to get into that there.
00:36:52.260 There's a lot of, there's a lot of complexity there, but unfortunately the politicians are
00:36:56.760 not working in large part to try to heal this racial animosity, but instead they're in flaring
00:37:01.660 it.
00:37:02.140 You have political parties that actually have elected positions that have, you know, members 1.00
00:37:08.400 of parliament that are calling for the murder of white people in the country, kill, shoot 0.99
00:37:12.820 the Boer, the leader of the EFF has chanted to his audience. Um, absolutely nuts. So it's not, 1.00
00:37:18.880 a lot of people would be like, Oh, this is a conspiracy talking about the murder of whites
00:37:23.400 in South Africa as a conspiracy. No, it's probably one of the very few situations where a country has
00:37:28.080 said, Hey, there is a racial group being oppressed here. And you can actually point to politicians
00:37:32.160 in said country calling for the murder of this group that like, it's not, there's nothing
00:37:37.000 conspiratorial about it. People just don't like the fact that there's a country where
00:37:40.580 white people are being oppressed for the race, which is crazy because no one wants to be oppressed.
00:37:44.540 No one wants there to be a country where white people are being oppressed, but we do need to 0.57
00:37:47.960 talk about it. So have things gotten better or worse since that documentary? I mean, I haven't
00:37:54.680 been back there and a lot of my judgments about these very complex situations come from being on
00:37:59.780 the ground, but I did do an interview, I think within this year with Ian Cameron, where we spoke
00:38:06.600 about the riots and the social downfall in South Africa, mass lootings. It does seem it's
00:38:13.380 absolutely gotten worse. Things are not improving. Clearly, blaming another race for all of your
00:38:18.400 country's problems rather than working to heal that divide and fix the nation and get rid of
00:38:22.160 corruption does not solve political issues. And we're seeing the effects of that. People are
00:38:26.640 essentially living like a Mad Max life if you're in South Africa. And this is something I mentioned
00:38:31.400 in my documentary. Like if you are a South African, especially if you are a white person
00:38:35.980 living in South Africa, it actually doesn't matter what race you are. You need to be armed.
00:38:39.960 You need to be, need to be prepared to take care of yourself and defend yourself because the
00:38:43.580 government aren't going to do it. Lord knows they might be the ones to harm you too. You can't trust
00:38:48.000 the government in that country. You can't, they are unbelievably corrupt. Yikes. Okay. Okay. 0.98
00:38:55.840 Going in a different direction. I follow you on across social media. So I hear about this
00:39:00.980 sometimes. What's the most ridiculous rumor you've heard about yourself? 0.98
00:39:05.540 Ooh, the most ridiculous rumor. I mean, there's some good ones. I like, um, 0.99
00:39:09.320 uh, obviously the, the rumor that I'm like secretly an Antifa hope, not hate spy. I find
00:39:16.280 very funny that that's kind of the major one that a lot of hope, not hate is an NGO organization
00:39:22.140 in Britain that kind of do a lot of investigations and exposés on right wingers and lobbying against
00:39:29.700 people. In fact, they both lobbied to have my Patreon account, um, taken down and succeeded
00:39:36.080 in that. And they lobbied to have me banned from the UK. Um, I met with them once 2017 to speak to
00:39:43.440 them about them lobbying against my Patreon account. I tried to record the meeting, but it
00:39:47.200 was just the worst audio ever. And it actually ended up coming up in a court case I brought
00:39:51.900 against Patreon, but, um, met with them once to confront them about whether they lobbied Patreon
00:39:56.840 or not. And, uh, the fact of me having met with them once someone recorded me saying it on a phone
00:40:02.900 call and it got spread through all of these right-wing circles. And everyone was like,
00:40:07.000 she spoke to them. We don't have any context, but clearly this means she's working for them
00:40:11.400 and she's secretly a spy. And that just kind of became the narrative amongst a lot of, um,
00:40:16.700 yeah, far right, far right accounts that I, that I work for the organization that took my income
00:40:21.120 away and got me banned from a country. This is a huge problem in any sort of kind of more fringe
00:40:25.800 political circles is they're obsessed with drama though. And they love rumors and they, everyone
00:40:29.600 likes to feel like they've got, they've got the extra in, I know you're a fraud. I know you're
00:40:34.060 a fed. I know you're this. And people will purity spiral into oblivion until like any radical
00:40:38.980 movement, they end up going full Stalin tier and executing everyone around them and all of their
00:40:43.500 supporters. Cause they think that everyone is secretly working against them. So I have no
00:40:47.760 interest in being a part of any far right circles. There's so much mental illness there. And these 0.97
00:40:51.720 people are more catty and about like gossiping than any actual political movements, but you
00:40:57.040 guys enjoy that. Why don't you? Although I don't think you have far right audience. So
00:41:01.540 I don't think so. I think most people, I don't really know. I think most people probably have
00:41:07.040 a similar stance to me. I don't know if that makes it an echo chamber or not, but I think
00:41:11.580 it's like libertarian, which is just like, I don't know. I don't, I don't see, I mean,
00:41:15.740 probably more of a conservative bent, but then whenever I say anything, that's not like pure
00:41:19.440 conservative, they're like, ah, shrooms. Okay. When I say far right too, I want to specify,
00:41:26.240 I don't mean far right the way the media use it, where it's like, ha ha, you have questions about
00:41:30.540 immigration and you want to preserve your culture. You're, you're a far right Nazi. No, 0.60
00:41:34.380 I'm talking about like actual, like weird fringe people. Okay. That's good to specify.
00:41:41.240 Yeah. What's the difference? What are the actual far, what are the actual far right people?
00:41:45.300 What are the actual far right? I mean, like if you want to kill a bunch of minorities to 0.98
00:41:49.120 try and, cause you think that's gonna, I don't know, save the white race or something. I think 0.99
00:41:53.980 that's pretty damn insane. If you're, I think talking about a whole lot of conspiracy, but
00:41:59.920 conspiracies about how everyone that is like slightly more liberal than you, that's just
00:42:04.260 normal conservative is actually like a left-wing psyop. Um, certainly you can get down a lot of
00:42:09.760 like massive conspiracy, uh, trails about, I don't know how to, it's, it's so hard to even
00:42:17.400 distinguish anymore because unfortunately a lot of a lot of conspiracies don't really seem like
00:42:25.780 conspiracies anymore because large government institutions just keep enacting the most 0.70
00:42:31.300 conspiratorial shit ever like mass surveillance you know we're gonna do microchips and stuff it's 0.97
00:42:36.660 like man i can't even define who the crazy people are anymore because of you guys you're just like 0.99
00:42:41.360 taking you're going on like schizo blogs and taking your ideas straight from them
00:42:46.420 Um, but no, I do think, I still do think that there are, Oh, you know how I define people
00:42:51.560 that are like far, like crazy radicals on either side, when their politics aren't motivated
00:42:55.960 by love of something like I, I love my country.
00:42:59.160 I love my family.
00:43:00.300 That's what motivates me is like love for these things and wanting to preserve them.
00:43:03.580 But when their politics is centered around hatred for the other group, like my whole
00:43:08.200 politics is I hate right wingers. 1.00
00:43:09.940 I hate white people. 1.00
00:43:11.060 That's what my politics are. 1.00
00:43:12.340 You're probably a crazy person. 1.00
00:43:13.420 If your whole politics are, I hate immigrants. 1.00
00:43:15.580 I hate Brown people. You know, uh, I hate liberals. That's my politics. And that's what I 1.00
00:43:20.480 center my, my shows about. Cause you'll watch some shows and it's like, wow, you haven't actually
00:43:24.460 talked about anything you want to preserve, anything you want to build anything beautiful
00:43:28.600 or good. You've just talked about how much you hate people. Like I don't, that's what I would
00:43:33.360 consider fringe and crazy. I don't like those people. I don't, I think they're just part of
00:43:36.940 the whole modern, you know, deconstructionism. You don't actually have anything to offer.
00:43:42.380 all you have is things to destroy. Okay. I like that. That's a good definition.
00:43:47.260 So why did you get banned off of Patreon? Uh, they said I was partaking in activities,
00:43:52.660 which might lead to, um, human loss of life, which my lawyers took one look at that. And
00:43:59.800 they were like, this is a ridiculous argument. Like 99% of your daily activities could potentially
00:44:05.080 lead to loss of human life. You have someone who does crazy stunts, right? That could potentially
00:44:10.080 lead to a loss of their life. You have someone that goes and partakes in a BLM riot or protest,
00:44:15.160 which a lot of people who use Patreon did. Well, that did lead to loss of life and none of them
00:44:19.420 got banned. Right. So I partook in a protest against a human trafficking ship. Um, and it
00:44:26.620 didn't actually do anything. The ship just went on its merry way. Of course, the left would view
00:44:30.660 it as a rescue ship. I viewed it as human trafficking. Um, it went on its merry way,
00:44:36.820 nothing happened. So if you're going to ban me from your site, because I partook in something
00:44:40.760 that didn't, but could have led to the loss of life. I mean, they're probably going to have to
00:44:44.360 ban thousands of other creators that promoted or partook in the BLM protests, which did lead to
00:44:48.860 loss of life. But of course there's no consistency there because it was political lobbying by hope,
00:44:53.040 not hate that got me removed, not any sort of real platform on the website or anything that
00:44:58.500 I had agreed to when I joined the site. Fair. Um, do you have, so for this migration issue
00:45:03.720 that you've been focusing on more recently after doing your documentary, do you have suggestions
00:45:08.520 for how to improve the entire situation from both sides, America and people trying to get saved?
00:45:14.820 It's funny, funny you asked because I didn't, this is a documentary that I, I didn't have any
00:45:20.420 defined conclusions at the end. I kind of leave it up to the viewer to, to make up their mind.
00:45:26.020 Um, you, I think you have to have a consistency. You, people actually have to know what your
00:45:32.580 policies are because when they don't, they're willing to go on this. I compare the whole thing
00:45:40.040 I filmed. I compare to hell. I use like levels of Dante's Inferno and different, um, references to
00:45:45.620 types of hell within different cultures for all the names of my chapters,
00:45:48.840 because it was the only comparison I could make of what I witnessed there. Like you've got
00:45:54.440 Tapachula stadium, which is right across from Guatemala. And it's like a limbo. People are
00:45:59.200 there for months and months and months and months on end, just sleeping under the hot sun, sleeping
00:46:03.280 under trees. They have no idea whether they're going to be allowed to stay in Mexico. They have
00:46:07.220 no idea whether they're going to be deported. They have no idea what's happening at all. It's
00:46:10.740 just this like hellish limbo. And then they continue on the track and they basically have
00:46:15.280 to find traffickers. You can take a, you can take a train up to the U S border called the beast.
00:46:21.880 It's actually got three names. The, the trade, the death train, train de la Buret or the train
00:46:27.740 of unknowns. They have these three names. And people die all the time on there. It tends to
00:46:34.480 be run by the Zetas. They'll make you pay fees. They'll rape you on the train. Cause you can't
00:46:38.420 get off. There's nowhere you can go. People will go on the top of the train and get knocked off
00:46:41.600 by tree branches, lose limbs, uh, uh, beneath the tracks and everything. And they take this death
00:46:46.840 train, you know, flip a coin just to get up to the border and then find human traffickers and pay to
00:46:51.780 get across, maybe get shot, maybe get, you know, kidnapped. Uh, the state I was in Tom
00:46:56.980 Alipaz, interesting story. Um, a lot of migrants tend to get kidnapped by the cartel in Mexico
00:47:02.540 because they're nameless, faceless people, right? If you want to get rid of a crime or
00:47:06.520 if you want to commit a crime, especially something like rape or murder, then rape or 0.97
00:47:10.900 murder someone who can't be tracked or found. Um, and that's, that's going to be migrants 0.99
00:47:14.900 in, I think it was 2011, right near where we were staying. They had the San Fernando
00:47:19.900 massacres done by the cartel in Tamaulipas there, where they kidnapped 200 people off of passenger
00:47:26.080 buses and took them to, I think it was either like a field or a stadium and gave them hammers,
00:47:31.120 knives, and various different weapons and made them all fight to the death.
00:47:34.980 What?
00:47:35.820 Yeah. Literally squid game in real life. No joke.
00:47:38.960 Oh my gosh.
00:47:40.180 And they, the winner got to become a Sicario for their gang. So they had these 200 people
00:47:45.660 like fight to the death brutally in what they could, what was described by police as gladiator
00:47:50.620 style matches. And all of the buses just showed up in Reynosa where I was staying empty with like
00:47:56.940 no one on them and just luggage. Right. And then they buried all these people in mass graves that
00:48:01.600 they found later. But this is, this is like the risks and the lives of these migrants who go
00:48:06.300 through Mexico. It's just like a reality that they take. That's horrifying. I've been rewatching
00:48:13.000 game of thrones i know just this is so loosely associated i don't know if i can say it's so
00:48:20.680 loosely like i regret that starting now but but anyway it's violent right and i'm like this isn't
00:48:27.400 real like this can't it's shocking to think uh a culture can degenerate to that point where where
00:48:34.880 you can pit 200 people against each other and then the winner joins the gang that's like so absurd
00:48:41.400 for the average person to even believe is possible or like, oh, that would never happen
00:48:45.360 here or, and yeah, it's, I'm so torn about this immigration issue because the people
00:48:50.940 trying to get in are people that are suffering so badly, right.
00:48:56.300 To, to risk all those things, to try and bring like them and their kids to someplace that
00:49:00.140 isn't as scary.
00:49:01.280 Like no wonder people are trying to get in.
00:49:04.060 This is what pisses me off sometimes.
00:49:06.160 And I don't blame you for thinking it at all.
00:49:08.140 Cause this is what people are told, but they're like, oh, they're trying to get out of this
00:49:11.020 situation that is so scary. Like 90% of these people are economic migrants. Are you telling
00:49:15.880 me I'm naive? Is that what you're saying, Lauren? How could you know? Like no one's telling anyone
00:49:22.840 this. It's not, it's not your fault. Um, but like the Sushiate where I went across, um,
00:49:29.960 to, there's a little town, I think it's called Chiapas. Beautiful, beautiful area. Any one of
00:49:35.880 these migrants coming from South America could have stayed there. In fact, we interviewed the
00:49:39.360 mayor of this little town across from the sushi. And she said, they have hundreds, thousands of
00:49:44.260 migrants come and stay in that little town and they thrive there. She's a really good mayor too.
00:49:48.280 Holy shit. She just, um, when I was there, they were having a parade cause they had built, uh, 0.99
00:49:53.040 light posts all across the street to stop crime. Cause putting light in city areas tends to reduce,
00:49:59.980 reduce crime drastically. So this was like her project. They're putting light posts all across
00:50:04.320 the town, gorgeous town. Of course, you're not going to have the same, you know, big living that
00:50:09.000 you could find in America, but you'd be safe. You'd be safe if you stayed there. So when I
00:50:13.120 see people, Oh, I'm going to drag my kid across the Darien gap. I'm going to drag my kid on the
00:50:18.320 beast, you know, let them fall between the wheels so that I have a better chance of getting a
00:50:22.420 passport to America. No, for the most part, it isn't for safety. No, I don't believe that some
00:50:27.340 people for sure, but most are economic migrants and admit as much, you know what part of me is
00:50:32.300 like, I don't part of me. I don't want to blame them because they get told it's easier than it
00:50:38.160 actually is. Human traffickers tell them that it's not going to be as dangerous as they think
00:50:42.140 it is. So maybe they do genuinely, actually, no, I do think a lot of them genuinely believe it's
00:50:46.400 not going to be this insane, crazy death trap of a trip. So maybe it isn't so much their fault,
00:50:51.620 but if they were given the truth, I think a lot more people would stay in the Southern safer
00:50:56.700 States of Mexico, like Chiapas and, and make a life there instead of yeah, taking this hell trip
00:51:03.680 North. Hmm. Everything you learn is a lie. Everything, everything I know is a lie. I don't
00:51:09.500 like, I don't try to, I have no idea what's going on anywhere anymore. Um, okay. Okay. Another
00:51:14.600 question. Do you get sick? I mean, you obviously you still have an online presence and you're back
00:51:20.080 at it after having a kiddo. So do you get sick of the negative attention you receive? Does that
00:51:25.220 bother you at all? Or are you pretty resilient? It's interesting. It doesn't bother me, but
00:51:30.480 the idea of it bothering my family bothers me. That's it. Yeah. I'm like way past, I'm way past
00:51:37.880 that. And I thought there, Janice Joplin quote, freedom is just another word for nothing left to
00:51:43.200 lose. What are people going to call me? Oh, you're going to call me a slut. I'm a woman on the
00:51:48.420 internet. Like come up with something more creative. That's like the go-to. Okay. I'm a
00:51:52.780 slut. All right. I'm a left-wing spy. Okay. I'm a far-right extremist. Ooh, I'm a mass murderer. 1.00
00:51:56.700 these are good ones, right? I don't care anymore. I don't, you can call me any name in the book and 0.72
00:52:01.940 I've been called it a million times before, but I do care about how I think it might affect, um,
00:52:06.980 you know, people who aren't as crazy as me within my life. Right. Especially I'm kind of hoping I'm
00:52:12.840 counting on the internet, being obliterated by some crazy person before my son gets old enough
00:52:18.760 to, to read internet comments. Nah, he'll probably think you're cool. Yeah. I mean,
00:52:25.780 Or he'll be embarrassed for a while. And then later he'll think you're cool. Something like
00:52:29.420 that. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I plan on, uh, yeah. Setting up a pretty cool life for him. So
00:52:35.420 are you going to do public school? Like, are you going to do the schooling system?
00:52:40.300 Not a chance. No way. No way. No way. I like, I like my child. I like my son. I don't want him
00:52:45.440 hating himself for being a male. I don't want him being told that, Oh, you should ask questions
00:52:50.920 about that at the ripe age of six years old. Right. No, I'm, I've joked with my husband before
00:52:56.360 that we'd rather send them to an Islamic school than a public school. Cause at least they have
00:53:00.200 some conception of reality, like gender. That's crazy. That's crazy, but that's true.
00:53:07.320 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, probably a Catholic school. I think that, um, the more I think about
00:53:13.220 it, the more I think kids thrive in schools that don't have both genders. I don't know. Like I
00:53:18.880 I didn't go to a school like that. Yeah. Yeah. Especially young boys. Oh my God. Okay. Maybe
00:53:23.320 boys. I can actually get behind that, but can you imagine going to an all girls school?
00:53:30.740 Oh yeah. That does. That does sound hellish. Yeah. So for boys maybe, but I mean, don't make all
00:53:35.300 go make girls go to all girls schools. Sounds awful. Teenage girls are like, they're like the
00:53:40.060 worst people on the planet. Yeah. I was thinking about this. You let me know what you think. Um, 0.99
00:53:44.360 whether high school is matriarchal because they will punish any sort of physical confrontation
00:53:51.740 to the extreme. So even if you like defend yourself and like punch back at a bully attacking
00:53:56.220 you, like you're going to get suspended, you're going to get in massive trouble, any sort of 0.87
00:54:00.460 physical confrontation, but kids can absolutely ruthlessly bully the shit out of each other 0.82
00:54:06.260 until like socially social exclusion. That's a very, uh, female high school girl tactic, right? 0.96
00:54:14.240 It's social exclusion, rumors, all of this sort of gossipy nonsense and life ruining
00:54:19.580 through social crippling that thrives in high schools, but any sort of physical confrontation,
00:54:23.800 nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope.
00:54:25.540 So it's very like matriarchal and it really messes with people's heads, I think.
00:54:30.040 Yeah, I completely agree.
00:54:31.180 Do you remember Honesty Box on Facebook?
00:54:33.420 No, I don't.
00:54:34.340 Oh, yes, I do.
00:54:36.020 Yeah.
00:54:36.380 Yes, I do.
00:54:37.260 Haven't heard that in a while, huh?
00:54:38.880 Honesty Box.
00:54:39.440 Wow, you're giving me...
00:54:41.340 Flashbacks?
00:54:42.480 Yeah, you're giving me...
00:54:43.000 Wait, wait, wait.
00:54:43.300 Can you explain?
00:54:44.260 Cause I reckon a lot of people watching won't even know what that is.
00:54:48.120 Okay.
00:54:48.460 Okay.
00:54:48.720 So honesty box, I think that was around in 2008 and it was in Facebook.
00:54:53.500 I remember what it was just after I got Facebook, which was only a few years after Facebook
00:54:57.780 existed.
00:54:58.320 And it was this box where if you were friends with someone, you could type in anything you
00:55:01.820 wanted.
00:55:02.500 You just tell them something.
00:55:03.760 And so for teenagers, it was something awful.
00:55:05.960 It was like, Oh, I know you did this and you know, we're going to come to your house and
00:55:10.640 it's completely anonymous. And, and so it, uh, it was like, it was a night they took it off. I
00:55:16.860 don't know what happened to it. I think it just didn't go well. It's like say nice things to your
00:55:20.560 friends, ha enter teenage girls. Right. Yeah. No, it would always be. Yeah. Like I, it would
00:55:26.600 either be like something that's like, I have a crush on you, but I never want to tell you or
00:55:30.240 something like that, or just something absolutely horrendous. What a terrible idea. I cannot believe
00:55:36.440 you've reminded me of this thing. Did you ever, um, get your house egged in high school?
00:55:43.460 No, no. Shocking. Lots of people. I have no idea why. I mean, people didn't know who my dad was.
00:55:49.640 Thank goodness that like that happened now and not back then because people egged all the time.
00:55:55.060 Is that normal or is that a Canadian thing? Maybe you'd have to ask Americans. I'm Canadian. So I
00:56:00.520 got my house egged once. I think it was because I rejected going to, uh, our version of prom with
00:56:04.900 the guy, but I felt so bad. We did get our house egg. Oh yeah. Yeah. I have a vague memory. I can't
00:56:10.480 remember why. I don't know, but yes, there was, there was, yes, I do remember that. And then
00:56:15.180 each other's houses as well. Oh, and then, um, I feel so bad. I remember I was walking to a
00:56:21.900 little Halloween party. I rarely got invited to parties in high school, but I was on the
00:56:25.260 volleyball team. So I just always had that little like shoe in the door. I'm like, Hey, I might be
00:56:30.180 a loser, but I'm on the volleyball team and I'm pretty good at that. Um, I remember walking with
00:56:35.340 a friend of mine to this party and there were a bunch of guys from the school. They had taken
00:56:39.320 cartons of eggs and they were driving around, just throwing them at people. And my friend got
00:56:43.200 hit in the stomach, covered an egg. Um, but yeah, people used to do that all the time.
00:56:47.140 TPing each other's houses. Oh my goodness. We were horrendous to each other. I remember the
00:56:52.120 autistic girl in my gym class getting horrendously bullied, horrifically bullied by other girls.
00:56:58.080 jeez wow i wonder if that's like you went to public did you go to public school or private
00:57:03.780 school uh public i went to private school when i was younger but that's a very expensive
00:57:08.380 thing to go to my i didn't grow up in like a super wealthy family so we went to
00:57:12.760 public school later uh when i was like like i was like 12 or 13 when we switched to public school
00:57:18.580 13 i wonder if like because i know people all my friends were in public schools i went to public
00:57:23.900 school for my entire life. And that was like the norm, that kind of behavior. But I've, I know
00:57:29.780 people who've gone to private schools and that behavior isn't norm. I was like, Oh, did you guys
00:57:34.200 do like, was there a group of people that did ketamine behind the subway next to your school
00:57:38.580 too? They're just like, what? The smoke pit? Of course. Yeah. The smoke pit. This like literally
00:57:46.560 does every school have that? Every public school hang up in a smoke pit. Yeah. You'd have like the,
00:57:52.320 three characters that would always show up to class high consistently. Uh, we'd one kid,
00:57:58.880 I still can't explain it to this day. One kid got kidnapped and also got stabbed within a period of
00:58:04.300 two years, completely unrelated events. Okay. I like things like that happened to my high school
00:58:09.660 too. Like literal things like that. Yeah. Stabbings and things. I was like, this is just high school.
00:58:16.660 Yeah. Maybe that's not, that shouldn't be high school. Did you have, did you have a rival school
00:58:21.440 as well. That would like do like, you know, in private school, it's like, Oh yeah, you've got
00:58:27.120 a, ours was Brookswood. You've got a rival school and, uh, you, you just play sports against them.
00:58:32.640 And, you know, you make nice signs and stuff. If you're in a private school, that's, that's your
00:58:36.560 rivalry. But then in public school, it's like the Brookswood kids came in and smashed all the
00:58:41.100 computers in our library and left spray paint and like a dead pig on the table.
00:58:44.940 uh good times okay yeah no i'm doing private school for scarlet i'm doing the bougie school
00:58:55.740 none of this like crack behind the school for her it's gonna be expensive drugs they're only
00:59:01.360 doing cocaine at private i'm just kidding not laced nothing in there just yeah pure
00:59:09.380 Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. How much just, yeah. What school you go to, where you go to school
00:59:16.620 will affect you for the rest of your life. Like those, those experiences, holy, like,
00:59:21.480 I'm not going to, I wasn't at, I wasn't at like some inner city school. Of course there was still
00:59:25.520 like, I I'm remembering like the worst of the shenanigans that happened right now, of course.
00:59:29.780 But if you're at like an inner city school in America where they've literally got like the
00:59:34.680 metal detector machines. When you walk into school, your life is F you're done for. There's
00:59:39.900 nothing like, I'm sorry. It's very, maybe you can be like the 1% of Ben Carson's that somehow work
00:59:45.460 their way out of that situation. But if you are, yeah, if you start off with that at foot,
00:59:51.500 like you're done for. So I understand to an extent, yeah. Why people will go to such extremes
00:59:56.260 to like change where they live and wanting to have a better starting point for their kids. But, um,
01:00:01.380 yeah geez that's crazy and then the way things are going to like they're like oh like getting
01:00:07.760 okay so i'm relocating to miami getting scarlet into a kindergarten class is like the bane of
01:00:15.440 my existence i literally had an interview um although the school looks amazing so i was like
01:00:20.620 okay i'll do the interview um but it's it's tricky it's a tricky situation um especially i guess i
01:00:29.500 guess there's been an influx to private school since COVID because private schools stayed open
01:00:33.180 for little kids and public schools closed. So anyone who could barely afford it was like, okay,
01:00:37.640 it's cheaper than a nanny. And so it's a wild situation. It's a wild situation.
01:00:43.500 When are you moving to Miami? Uh, hopefully this summer I was really allergic to Nashville. I was
01:00:49.080 in Nashville and I'm okay. That's like the daily wire. People are all there. Yeah. And Nashville's
01:00:54.460 really cool. Uh, I really liked Nashville. And then I was, I've been like chronically ill since
01:00:58.540 I got there with bronchitis and asthma and was like, Whoa, I haven't been this sick since I was
01:01:03.340 like on immunosuppressants when I was young. And then I was like, Oh, it's tree allergies. And they
01:01:07.720 have like 10 months of tree allergies in Nashville. It's one of the worst places in North America.
01:01:12.420 And I'm like the token bubble person. So I went there and I'm just like, can't breathe. So
01:01:19.020 I'm going to be in Miami late next month doing the fresh and fit podcast. I think they need to
01:01:26.560 back to me. So I was going to say, if you were in the area, you should either come with me or
01:01:31.860 we'll hang out. Ooh, that would be so fun. I would do that. Okay. Hit me up. Oh, I should
01:01:36.560 be in Miami by then. So that would be fun. Okay. I'll, um, I'll ask if you can come on with me.
01:01:40.480 That'd be, that'd be great. I'm sure they'll hate us in the best kind of ways.
01:01:44.760 No, I was on their show. Oh, have you done their show? Are they nice? I don't,
01:01:48.540 all I know is that they kind of like, they'll be nice to you. No, they've got a really,
01:01:52.320 they've got a really intense, like online thing that they do, but in person, I mean,
01:01:58.480 they were ridiculously polite. Okay. Yeah. I don't, I don't know anything about them other
01:02:03.460 than I've seen like peripheral drama about them on, I think I saw like Ethan Klein did a podcast
01:02:09.580 with the girl. Yeah. Claiming that, um, I don't even know what it was. It was like this girl
01:02:15.560 just saying that she had drinks with them and then they didn't buy her an Uber and told her
01:02:19.340 to get mouthwash. And I don't know if it was supposed to sound like an assault story or if
01:02:23.060 it was just like trying to make them look bad, but it ended up being a little ridiculous. 0.85
01:02:28.700 Uh, it was probably trying to make them look bad. I don't trust anything Ethan Klein says or does
01:02:32.860 for that matter. Yeah. Yeah. He's got such a hate boner for you. I don't understand.
01:02:38.600 He does. It's really rude. It'll be like totally uncalled for. It'll be like you or your dad will
01:02:45.640 say something like, Hey, Ethan, like that wasn't a great, that wasn't a very nice statement. Like
01:02:49.700 I thought we had a good show together. And then he'll retweet it. Like, I hope your evil daughter
01:02:54.620 that's a whore that, you know, tries to force people to eat meat and got you hooked on drugs 1.00
01:03:00.120 dies. I'm like, bro, did you have like some personal falling out with this guy? Like what 1.00
01:03:05.420 happened? That's so funny. No, I said that maybe if he lowered the carbs in his diet,
01:03:11.700 he'd be a happier person. He didn't take, he didn't take kindly to that.
01:03:15.840 You don't want to tell a man like Ethan, he needs to lower his carbs. That's a nuclear bomb
01:03:20.480 to someone like that. Very dangerous statement. Honestly, it's your fault. You brought all this
01:03:24.720 hellfire down upon you. Basically. Okay. Lauren, I would continue this, but I have to run. Um,
01:03:31.720 if, okay. First off, if people don't follow you and if they're interested in your documentary,
01:03:36.100 where should they go? Yes. You can follow my Twitter at Lauren underscore Southern,
01:03:40.240 or just look at my name on YouTube.
01:03:42.400 I don't know how suppressed it is these days,
01:03:44.100 but I'm sure if you Google it enough,
01:03:45.560 maybe on the 20th page, you'll find it.
01:03:48.580 Yeah. Thanks for having me on.
01:03:49.780 This is always a blast and congrats on all the success
01:03:52.340 with your show and your move to Miami.
01:03:53.980 Hopefully I'll see you there.
01:03:55.520 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:56.360 Keep me posted about when you show up
01:03:58.040 and we'll figure out how to do something.
01:04:00.040 That would be fun.
01:04:00.740 Sounds good. All right.
01:04:03.540 Bye.
01:04:03.920 I don't know what you do for a sign off.
01:04:05.140 Cool.
01:04:05.660 I don't know.
01:04:06.240 No, that was perfect.
01:04:07.400 Okay.
01:04:08.120 I'm keeping that though.
01:04:10.240 Thank you.