The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - Cutting Edge Regenerative Medicine： 2024 ｜ Dr. Adeel Khan EP 198

00:00:00.000 I mean you've gone through it yourself like yeah you go through doctors you go

00:00:02.960 through specialists people tell you this is the only option or they try things

00:00:06.840 it doesn't work and they're essentially left to figure it out on their own

00:00:10.320 unfortunately chronic pain is also one of them because a lot of patients pain

00:00:14.460 meds eventually stop working and they're left to figure out okay what do I do now

00:00:18.360 I can't just live like this for the rest of my life chronic pain is obviously a

00:00:21.060 big thing but even fibromyalgia like chronic fatigue syndrome obviously toxic

00:00:26.040 mold and then there's there's more complicated conditions like neuro

00:00:29.000 degenerative conditions that we're dealing with too. Because let's be honest

00:00:32.480 like if you have a neurodegenerative condition they're kind of just waiting

00:00:35.300 for you to just get worse.

00:00:40.660 A lot of people are not okay with that model anymore they want to do something

00:00:44.340 about it so that's where regenerative medicine obviously comes in.

00:00:48.960 And then longevity instead of just kind of telling people hey you can exercise

00:00:52.700 you should do this as a VO2 max and so on we're actually giving them tools to

00:00:56.260 enhance their body so can you tell me how exactly it works because gene therapy sounds a little bit

00:01:01.480 scary yeah exactly so dr khan welcome to my podcast yeah thanks for having me in person

00:01:08.880 this time i know this is fun thanks for coming out here yeah last time i was in dubai we did

00:01:14.760 it virtually yeah this is better this is better much better um so i asked people from my audience

00:01:20.940 if they had questions for you so i have a bunch of those and then i have some of mine in here too

00:01:25.000 just to keep things flowing uh but first question highest kill to death ratio on halo

00:01:31.300 yeah so i guess they watch your dad's uh daily wire and my autobiography so for people who don't

00:01:41.880 know i was uh i was a champion a world champion in uh the halo one the original halo one series

00:01:48.260 on xbox back then though to be fair there was a lot less competition uh that's hilarious

00:01:53.980 uh i i think i i mean i i don't i don't know how to answer that but i think i think in general

00:02:01.040 my ratio was probably like five to one okay i don't know what that means it basically means

00:02:08.380 like it's called a killing spree they would know what that means but essentially for every

00:02:13.980 five people you kill you die once ah okay wow but you decided to transition transition into

00:02:20.300 regenerative medicine as cool as that was i was like i need to uh actually it was it wasn't just

00:02:25.620 the nerdiness it was more just i actually wanted to do something meaningful uh so that's what got

00:02:30.640 me into medicine uh it was it's when you're when you're 18 i mean you're just kind of like naive

00:02:34.980 and you're like how do i help people the most and obviously you think being a doctor is the best way

00:02:39.440 which is awesome but now the reality is being a doctor is just small piece of the puzzle because

00:02:46.080 I think as you and me have talked about, a lot of this is scaling the technology and building

00:02:50.840 businesses to help more people. Yeah. So since last year, since you've been on, you've been

00:02:55.920 making the rounds for podcasts, I've seen you with a whole bunch of like celebrity type people.

00:03:01.420 And so what are, what are people asking for that you do? Yeah, it's, it's a whole spectrum because

00:03:08.000 there's, I would say two main categories. Let's say one is like orphan diseases. And then the

00:03:14.300 other is just like longevity and anti-aging. So orphan diseases, what that means is essentially

00:03:20.000 conditions that are not being addressed by our medical system. So, I mean, you've gone through

00:03:24.440 it yourself. You go through doctors, you go through specialists, people tell you this is

00:03:29.400 the only option, or they try things, it doesn't work, and they're essentially left to figure it

00:03:34.480 out on their own. And that's orphan disease. There's so many of them. Unfortunately, chronic

00:03:39.840 pain is also one of them because a lot of patients pain meds eventually stop working and they're left

00:03:45.320 to figure out okay what do i do now i can't just live like this for the rest of my life so a lot

00:03:48.900 of them chronic pain is obviously a big thing but even fibromyalgia like chronic fatigue syndrome

00:03:53.900 obviously toxic mold and then there's there's more complicated conditions like neurodegenerative

00:03:58.960 conditions that we're dealing with too because let's be honest like if you have a neurodegenerative

00:04:03.300 condition they're kind of just waiting for you to just get worse and the medication just for

00:04:08.380 symptom management. A lot of people are not okay with that model anymore. They want to do something

00:04:12.840 about it. So that's where regenerative medicine obviously comes in. And then longevity is obviously 0.81

00:04:18.600 pretty self-explanatory, but instead of just kind of telling people, hey, you can exercise, you should

00:04:23.020 do this as your VO2 max and so on, we're actually giving them tools to enhance their body so they

00:04:27.900 can do more of that for a longer period of time. And obviously that's like the premier one is

00:04:32.260 obviously the fall statin gene therapy, which I'm sure we'll get into. Hey guys. So last year,

00:04:36.660 before I discovered mold in my house causing all my issues I had my hormones tested on the off

00:04:41.620 chance I was having a hormone issue which I was my hormones were flattened like all of them they

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00:06:06.860 enjoying this episode. Yeah. Let's get, let's actually start off with that one. So you're

00:06:12.380 going to give that to me. My husband's already taken it. And from what I've seen, he's definitely

00:06:17.840 more muscular. He says he can lift like more weight for longer periods of time. And I was kind

00:06:24.480 of worried about it because I'm always worried about any type of intervention. And folistatin

00:06:31.860 I didn't understand very well. So can you tell me how exactly it works? Because gene therapy

00:06:37.700 sounds a little bit scary. Yeah, exactly. So instead of thinking this like a gene therapy,

00:06:43.040 because that word has a lot of connotations behind it, just think of it as a delivery system to

00:06:49.740 increase your folistatin levels back to when you were younger and folistatin is a naturally

00:06:54.860 occurring peptide in your body and as you get older the levels decrease just like many peptides

00:06:59.740 in your body do so we're just restoring something back to a normal level and why folistatin yeah

00:07:06.660 there's there's many reasons number one is very safe so that was probably the biggest reason why

00:07:11.460 our team chose to make that the first target even if you overdose on folistatin it's not going to

00:07:18.400 do anything it's meaning it's all going to just saturate the receptors and there's no real side

00:07:23.200 effects from that the worst case scenario is it doesn't work uh because there it's been around

00:07:29.160 for over 20 years it's not a new molecule uh it's been discovered for a long time but the the kind

00:07:34.080 of the breakthrough was to get it to stay in your system because folistatin as a peptide has a half

00:07:39.680 life of 90 minutes oh okay so the peptides that you can like if you google folistatin yeah you

00:07:45.000 You can buy it off like anywhere, but you'd have to inject yourself like 10 times a day

00:07:49.080 and wake up in the middle of the night to keep your level steady.

00:07:52.520 And that's obviously not practical.

00:07:54.700 So that's why no one really prescribes folostatin and no one really uses the online ones

00:07:59.200 because the half-life is just way too short.

00:08:01.640 So this is just a delivery mechanism to keep your level steady for 18 to 24 months with

00:08:07.060 one injection.

00:08:08.520 Wow.

00:08:08.960 And the reason it's a gene therapy is because the way we're transmitting the folostatin

00:08:14.100 into your body is using what's called a plasmid vector. So it's a, it's technically a foreign DNA,

00:08:19.120 but none of your genome or your gene is actually being edited. So it's very different from like

00:08:24.880 CRISPR. CRISPR is like the gene editing technology where you actually change people's genomes or you

00:08:30.920 edit something to correct it. And that's obviously much more risky because you can have offsite

00:08:35.820 targets and you're playing with people's genetics. And that's why it took CRISPR like 12 or 13 years

00:08:40.760 to finally get one product on the market and even then there are you know some serious risk with it

00:08:45.440 so whereas what we have is basically just we inject it into your arm and the local tissue

00:08:51.340 there is now transformed or genetically modified but your whole body is not genetically modified

00:08:56.460 you know what i mean like it's essentially just the local tissue there now is secreting the

00:09:01.060 phallostatin and bringing your levels back up to a more optimal range basically okay so like

00:09:08.380 correct me if this is wrong but for a plasmid vector does that mean it

00:09:12.460 this little tiny like blob makes its way into your mitochondria is that where it goes yeah

00:09:17.260 well nucleus eventually yeah okay yeah exactly yeah that's what it does but it doesn't edit

00:09:21.580 your genes no and it just makes its way in there exactly and the plasmid vector the beauty of it

00:09:26.920 is derived from e coli but there's no live bacteria so there's no risk of like getting

00:09:32.120 like infection or something like from viruses viral vectors and then the other thing is it's

00:09:37.040 non-immunogenic so you don't have to be on immunosuppressants so because there are viral

00:09:41.700 gene therapies out there that have even follow statin viral gene therapy but there's risk with

00:09:46.380 that and i think and and the other thing is it's not reversible if you take a viral gene therapy

00:09:50.840 you can't reverse it because it's a virus what's an example of that so like it's called adeno

00:09:57.180 associated viral vector like aav that's like the most common vector for viruses and there's

00:10:03.460 actually why why would somebody take that because they don't think there's any other option out

00:10:07.600 there but oh okay okay but the reality is now with the plasma plasma it's it's such a better

00:10:11.880 technology because it's non-immunogenic it's reversible because it's of e coli origin you

00:10:17.820 can just take a tetracycline and it's a it's a kill switch so let's just say for whatever reason

00:10:22.540 you want it out of your body you just take this antibiotic and it's out so it has a safety

00:10:26.680 mechanism built into it whereas viruses there's no safety mechanism so if you want it out you

00:10:31.660 you can't get it out and it's not it's not repeatable either eventually it'll stop working

00:10:36.400 and that's it whereas this one can be repeated as many times as you want like every 18 to 24 months

00:10:41.760 when it wears off so it has those safety features that really separate it from either vectors out

00:10:46.900 there not to mention for people who haven't heard of vectors like the vector that was probably the

00:10:53.360 most common talked about in the last couple years was the lipid nanoparticle vector which was what

00:10:58.080 was used for covid yeah and the problem with the lipid nanoparticle vector was that it can also

00:11:05.120 have off-site targets and it's immunogenic so it can stimulate your immune system aside from just

00:11:11.480 the mrna signal that they're trying to use to kind of vaccinate your body there can be off-site

00:11:16.180 effects and that's why i think we maybe didn't fully understand that when it came out but now

00:11:22.960 we're obviously seeing a lot more people have adverse reactions and i've seen that clinically

00:11:27.220 too obviously like and if if i've literally had patients who never had any issues and then they

00:11:33.140 got the vaccine and it just stimulated their immune system and now they have an autoimmune

00:11:37.840 condition and they're dealing with chronic issues or chronic and we're able to treat them with what

00:11:41.020 we do but the fact is they need treatment it's not like it's just going to go away on its own

00:11:44.800 could they have used this plasmid vector for the covid vaccine or yeah i mean and theoretically

00:11:51.780 you could uh and that's but i don't think yeah well yeah fair enough would that have potentially

00:11:59.100 solved some of these like major side effects of people yeah because i think about why is the

00:12:04.780 vaccine causing problems in people i think it's because of the immunogenicity because of that

00:12:10.440 stimulating the immune system and that your immune system is so important for regulating so many

00:12:14.900 different things that's why you get these weird kind of things they're like why are people getting

00:12:19.020 these weird reactions to it when we don't see that with other vaccines you know what i mean

00:12:23.020 and uh i think the other thing obviously is the purification process like how do you actually

00:12:29.100 purify it so that where what's called the dna fragments from how you synthesize it and create

00:12:35.720 it are all filtered out and there's been studies now published showing that the dna fragments

00:12:40.480 in the mrna vaccine was higher than the allotted amount recommended by world health organization

00:12:46.580 ah so so the purification you would think for something that's being given to billions of

00:12:53.620 people would go through a better rigorous process to make sure there's no dna fragment so i think

00:12:58.620 there's just probably things that weren't done optimally i don't know you know if i don't think

00:13:03.920 we'll ever know if this was on purpose or if this was by you know just accident but it is what it is

00:13:08.380 well even i mean they could have easily just been rushed through because it was rushed yeah yeah

00:13:15.520 exactly and maybe they didn't have the checks and balances that they should have yeah oh that's so

00:13:19.960 unfortunate so are you treating people for vaccine injury yes it's successfully yeah yeah it's there's

00:13:28.800 different protocols depending on what symptoms they have but generally there's like very common

00:13:34.780 patterns which is essentially like immune dysfunction which can present as chronic fatigue

00:13:40.500 or sometimes even like full-blown like rheumatoid arthritis

00:13:45.000 or autoimmune conditions develop afterwards.

00:13:47.420 I've seen that as well.

00:13:48.480 And so it's almost like we have to reboot their immune system.

00:13:52.060 And so that takes peptides, something called bioregulators,

00:13:55.720 which help promote thymus gland function,

00:13:58.380 and then the intravenous stem cells.

00:14:00.860 Because the intravenous stem cells, more than anything, what they do,

00:14:04.020 because a lot of people think when they think stem cells are like,

00:14:05.860 oh, you're regrowing or repairing tissue.

00:14:07.820 but first generation stem cells are more for reprogramming your immune system it's called

00:14:14.520 immunomodulation so basically taking your body from like a pro-inflammatory state to an

00:14:19.380 anti-inflammatory state so it's kind of shifting and a lot of times after vaccine injuries that's

00:14:24.340 what's happening it's like they're in this chronically inflamed state so like cytokine

00:14:27.700 storms exactly yeah all the time but it's like chronic low-grade inflammation and where is that

00:14:32.540 coming from it's coming from obviously your immune system which is based mainly in your gut

00:14:36.100 and then there's a thymus gland too those are like the two main components of how your immune

00:14:40.900 system is regulated so if we can restore function to those using peptides and bioregulators and

00:14:47.060 stem cells then we often get we get pretty great results and then the we have the fmt which we were

00:14:52.920 we're producing our own now so that's that's just in the process of being ready that's cool yeah

00:14:58.540 that's cool so are any of these uh well actually let's start with this what's a bioregulator like

00:15:04.180 what's an example of one of those? Yeah. So a bioregulator, I think most people have heard of

00:15:08.900 peptides, but insulin is a peptide that was made like a hundred years ago. It's a signal to your

00:15:14.600 body to say, Hey, lower blood sugar and move, mobilize it outside of the blood into the cells.

00:15:21.240 And so there's different peptides now that can help with energy, weight loss. Like obviously

00:15:25.860 there's a Zempic, which became really popular, but bioregulators are a similar type of signal,

00:15:31.320 accept their signal to an organ. So instead of being for like a specific function, it's a specific

00:15:38.140 organ. So what they do is they basically upregulate the function of an organ. So for example, there's

00:15:43.540 bioregulators for the pancreas, there's bioregulators for muscle, there's bioregulators for your skin,

00:15:49.580 there's bioregulators for your thymus gland. And what the bioregulator is doing, it's upregulating

00:15:54.300 or promoting the function of that organ because you may have some chronic low-grade dysfunction

00:15:58.400 of that organ meaning it's not doing its job as well as it should and can you and you can test

00:16:02.640 that so you can find out which organs yeah exactly yeah and then and you can test it and then you can

00:16:07.740 also obviously based off clinical history and symptoms and examination and you do your assessment

00:16:11.980 and you say okay like your thymus gland is obviously an issue because you have this autoimmune

00:16:16.960 condition and based off the test that we've done and then you can kind of prescribe that as part

00:16:21.680 of the protocol wow okay and is this an injection or an infusion they're actually pills uh so they're

00:16:27.460 pretty simple to take so bioregulators have been around in in russia for like 20 30 years i think

00:16:34.140 yeah russians yeah so they've been around quite a while just again unfortunately because they're

00:16:40.120 not really patentable they're not they have the same uh presence that's in the in the western

00:16:45.800 world oh that's a nice way of putting it yeah that's a very polite way of putting it so are

00:16:50.780 Are you able to offer any of these in the U.S. or is it just out of trouble?

00:16:56.560 Unfortunately, FDA is going backwards.

00:16:59.080 You've heard about what they've done with peptides recently?

00:17:01.700 Yeah.

00:17:02.040 Yeah.

00:17:02.420 That's terrible.

00:17:03.560 Yeah.

00:17:04.460 You can explain, actually, for anyone who doesn't know.

00:17:06.700 Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, the FDA decided that the compounding pharmacies,

00:17:11.740 which are legitimately making peptides with high standards,

00:17:14.360 gmp like certified fact like you know factories and making these peptides uh are no longer allowed

00:17:21.400 to so because they're saying that there's they need to be regulated of course that's what and

00:17:27.660 then they're saying that they can be harmful uh so they've essentially banned peptides from

00:17:32.620 clinical use for doctors to prescribe them all of them like what about ozempic no unless they're

00:17:38.900 patented and by a drug company so so you can't prescribe trisipatide which is the generic version

00:17:45.480 of monjoro which is a second generation azempic it's it's basically like azempic except it also

00:17:51.520 improves insulin sensitivity so that one's like let's say the new kid on the block so to speak

00:17:56.520 but the generic form of it is called trisipatide which you could get from almost any peptide

00:18:02.920 manufacturing or compounding pharmacy and it would probably be a tenth of the price but because it's

00:18:07.980 not a patented molecule that can be prescribed uh like on scale then they don't they don't allow

00:18:15.140 you to give it to patients like legally so you have to prescribe manjuro the brand name and you

00:18:20.240 have to and patients if their insurance covers it they'll cover it but otherwise they have to pay

00:18:23.880 for it and and the funny thing is that manjuro is basically the same molecule except they add like

00:18:29.640 you know some like component to it that doesn't that's inert doesn't add any value to it but then

00:18:35.100 allows them to patent the molecule because it's different from the generic version yeah that's

00:18:39.440 crazy so is it still illegal to like buy these things online from these shifty places or do you

00:18:44.700 generally unfortunately that's what happens right i think you're basically just getting more people

00:18:48.560 who are going to just be like okay well my doctor is not allowed to prescribe it anymore so i guess

00:18:52.460 i'll just order it online and see what happens and yeah uh and that's yeah that's problematic

00:18:57.360 obviously for many reasons because you don't know the quality most of the peptide manufacturers

00:19:01.680 are manufacturing in China

00:19:03.420 and then they just say made in US

00:19:05.080 and like with the online ones.

00:19:06.700 So you have to be careful where you go.

00:19:08.820 Oh, that's very unfortunate.

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00:19:46.920 this episode actually let's let's cover this i don't think this was a question this is my question

00:19:51.480 you were talking before we got started about vagus nerve treatments so i have this like

00:19:58.760 step-uncle who's always talking about like random things that, and I'm not sure if they exist or

00:20:05.060 not. And he was always talking about like a vagal nerve and how important this is. And I was like,

00:20:09.140 okay, whatever. But like, what, what is this vagus nerve? What is it? And then what are

00:20:13.940 treatments and why are they necessary for some people? Your step-uncle had good intuition because

00:20:19.980 the vagus nerve is kind of like the gateway into your nervous system. So what that means is it's,

00:20:25.940 it's one of the, it's, well, it is the biggest nerve in your body. And where is it? It's around,

00:20:30.560 well, start like, I mean, kind of like around here is where we inject, but it runs through

00:20:34.360 your whole diaphragm and innervates that as well. Uh, and it communicates with your spleen. It

00:20:39.220 communicates with, uh, even your brain. So the biggest thing for people to understand is it's

00:20:46.380 basically your autonomic nervous system, which is kind of, it's, it's normally in charge of,

00:20:53.620 Obviously, there's a motor component, which is like, you know, from the spinal cord and everything.

00:20:57.160 But your nervous system can also be what's called sympathetic overdrive, like where essentially you're in this fight or flight mode.

00:21:03.040 And a lot of people with PTSD or trauma, they're in this hyper aroused state, even when they don't want to be.

00:21:09.400 And people with anxiety, people with irritability.

00:21:12.080 And honestly, a lot of people just because of stress and because of the modern society.

00:21:16.060 And the other thing, too, is like it can be sometimes a situational, right?

00:21:19.700 like it could be even performance-based anxiety where you don't want your nervous system to get

00:21:23.520 all anxious and but you can't but certain things are associated with it and so it's almost like

00:21:28.500 automatic and so you can't control that so it becomes really obviously people do like meditation

00:21:33.060 there's vagal stir there's to your question like there's vagal nerve stimulators which go on the

00:21:38.120 outside to try to stimulate the vagus nerve why because the vagus nerve goes to your parasympathetic

00:21:43.180 nervous system which is like the relax or digest system basically helps to calm you down so

00:21:48.500 sympathetic is fight and then parasympathetic is relax and so we're what we're doing is we're

00:21:54.020 trying to put this back into balance because it becomes dysregulated so this is on this is on too

00:21:59.480 much and this is not going on enough so it's like you can't relax properly and a lot of this can be

00:22:04.900 because of adrenal dysregulation as well where your cortisol is all messed up and that can be

00:22:09.900 a contributing factor but they're kind of intertwined because a lot of times people

00:22:14.020 get their cortisol regulated but their nervous system is still like the problem a problem uh so

00:22:20.000 it's not just hormones it's the nervous system too which is a low-hanging fruit and so what we do

00:22:24.300 is we basically just inject exosomes and peptides into the vagus nerve and then there's something

00:22:28.860 called the stellate ganglion which feeds into the sympathetic nervous system and we we use

00:22:33.400 anesthetic so it's called a block but we also inject peptides so it actually modulates wow and

00:22:38.740 changes the signaling because the stellate ganglion block has been around for like yeah

00:22:43.160 ever forever like it's called sgb block and it's covered by most insurance companies now and a lot

00:22:48.520 of veterans get it but it only lasts like three months and then people have to repeat it so what

00:22:53.980 we do with our approach like well many of our patients been over a year and they haven't needed

00:22:57.540 again and i've helped young girls with anxiety from like 13 year olds but i've helped like

00:23:02.800 men in their 60s who were like special forces operatives so it's it's a huge gamut of people

00:23:08.020 who can benefit from it i've also done it for like i had a pro golfer he wrote us a review so

00:23:12.960 i can talk about it so hey online his name is matt wolf and he's uh he's he has like a i think he has

00:23:17.600 one of the fastest golf swings in the world but he had a lot of performance anxiety and it was only

00:23:22.040 when he was playing away not at home in florida and so it was obviously to do with just like being

00:23:26.840 away from home and stuff like that but but the vagus nerve injection helped him a ton and just

00:23:31.720 to calm his nervous system down and be more focused when i want this yeah it's pretty yeah

00:23:35.700 it's pretty cool oh wow that's interesting okay have you heard of uh i mean you've obviously

00:23:39.940 they have like brain retraining.

00:23:42.260 I've seen this in a lot of people who have chronic illness

00:23:44.480 where they try dieting and it helps a bit

00:23:46.780 and they try detoxing and it helps a bit

00:23:48.500 and they can't calm their nervous system down.

00:23:50.460 This allows for healing, and that's exactly what this is.

00:23:52.800 It's basically a low hanging intervention

00:23:55.120 that's calming your nervous system down

00:23:56.840 that'll allow other interventions to work better.

00:23:59.140 Because your body can't, if your nervous system's

00:24:00.800 all jacked up, it's so hard to heal.

00:24:02.940 And the nervous system and the immune system

00:24:04.660 communicate with one another.

00:24:06.020 So there can be chronic inflammation

00:24:07.340 in your nervous system as well,

00:24:08.780 which can contribute to so many other pathologies, right?

00:24:11.240 Like neuroinflammation, chronic pain, neuropathic pain, stuff like that.

00:24:14.800 So like I had Chris Bell, he had like this really bad knee pain forever.

00:24:20.000 And we obviously inject the stem cells, whatever.

00:24:21.820 But the first thing we did was the vagus nerve injection.

00:24:24.680 And he said the next day his pain was gone.

00:24:27.020 Oh my gosh.

00:24:27.920 I know.

00:24:28.200 Okay.

00:24:28.640 And he made a video about it.

00:24:30.040 But we were just like, I was kind of like, what?

00:24:32.180 What do you mean your pain's gone?

00:24:33.320 So obviously there's like, we don't fully understand it yet.

00:24:35.800 That's why there has to be a lot more research done, I think, in this area.

00:24:38.060 but there's obviously this communication between your nervous system and your immune system that's

00:24:42.620 going on and and i think that's a that's why i think it's such a good intervention because it

00:24:48.380 can help so many people did you talk to dad about this one we talked about the research we're going

00:24:54.020 to do which is essentially using it for neuropsychiatric like ptsd depression yeah and

00:24:59.980 then doing we're probably gonna do a phase one because obviously this is all like i mean i have

00:25:03.660 hundreds of now we have anecdotes but we need to probably do a clinical trial at some point to

00:25:07.920 show that this is meaningful and like track more data uh but we want to do a trial like combining

00:25:13.840 this with like psilocybin assisted therapy or something like that uh to show like long long

00:25:18.680 term results of how the vagus nerve in combination with therapy can yield like really powerful

00:25:22.900 results i want to try this i feel like part of my immune system overdrive i don't know

00:25:29.280 it might just be mold it might just be like long term but mold hijacks your cells in a sense right

00:25:35.280 so they hijack them and they prevent them from functioning properly it's called cell suppression

00:25:40.400 theory heard of it yeah i have heard of that i don't i mean i don't like that the idea of that

00:25:46.860 at all i know but that's what mold is mold is a smart you know uh pathogen so it it literally

00:25:55.200 can hijack and suppress your cell functions hence the name self-suppression theory and then that

00:26:00.840 can cause all sorts of different dysfunctional cellular hallmarks. Interesting. Okay. I'm

00:26:08.120 probably going to hit you up for the vagus nerve treatment. That sounds worth a shot. It sounds a

00:26:11.660 lot easier than this brain retraining. I don't want to do that. It's a lazy way. We'll combine

00:26:16.740 it with brain tap. Have you heard of brain tap? Yeah, but describe that. It's like the headset

00:26:22.180 piece that you wear and has different types of guided therapy programs. A lot of people will

00:26:27.220 use that to rewire their their brain and rewire their kind of uh mental state does that take a

00:26:33.300 long time it does and that's the thing it takes it can take months and months and this is just

00:26:37.480 like a shortcut i think to kind of make those things easier but like to show you like how

00:26:41.580 dramatic this can be i had a girl just like two weeks ago she's like 23 24 and she was she was

00:26:47.980 actually admitted to a psychiatric hospital just before she came to see me because she was so like

00:26:51.260 like hyper anxious and like to a point where she was becoming suicidal oh and uh and she's been

00:26:56.460 like this for two years and she's tried everything and then after the procedure she started crying

00:27:01.440 because she said she felt like relief for the first time in two years and relaxed and relaxed

00:27:05.240 like like 10 minutes after i was just like this is crazy wow okay okay i'm gonna come and do that

00:27:13.520 yeah i've done it on myself so i can tell you i'm not an anxious person but yeah i'm just

00:27:17.320 i mean for me it's more for just like i have so much stress in my life and uh just making me more

00:27:22.640 calm and relax. Is there a downside though? What happens if you do this on someone who's already

00:27:26.940 chill? Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty chill. It's just, you become lethargic. No, it's, no, that's the

00:27:32.140 thing. It's modulating, right? And that's how peptides and exosomes work in general. They

00:27:35.520 modulate. They don't, they're not going to do anything if there's nothing needed to be done.

00:27:38.880 So it's not going to make you like a sloth or something. Okay. I need a lot to make you a sloth.

00:27:44.720 Although, you know, my wife just had it done too. And she, the reason she's postpartum like 1.00

00:27:49.860 yourself and she uh i think i think postpartum it can be super helpful because postpartum depression

00:27:55.720 is a real problem and a lot of times that's based in anxiety and that's based in these thought

00:28:00.560 patterns and doing a nervous doing a nervous system reset postpartum makes a lot of sense

00:28:04.920 to me i think this would be a great thing because right now postpartum they have these pharmaceuticals

00:28:09.160 that really don't do much and they push them because obviously that's all they have to push

00:28:13.500 right cool okay well i'm gonna do that that sounds like a great idea and i don't want to do the brain

00:28:19.620 retraining i feel like it takes too long yeah i keep looking at it being like my nervous system

00:28:23.160 is definitely a little stressed out yeah and maybe that's contributing to some of these symptoms

00:28:26.900 which doesn't mean that they're like in my head i'm getting like no flaring up from like allergens

00:28:32.320 and all these things but like why am i allergic to the world exactly we have to build resiliency

00:28:36.440 in your body yeah and part of that started the big part of that's the nervous system and

00:28:39.720 obviously the phallistatin and then we'll get you the fmt as well because i think

00:28:43.640 transplanting new bacteria is into your gut makes a lot of sense i'm sure yeah oh yeah for sure

00:28:49.300 I did that, though, a bunch.

00:28:50.600 At Taymount, right?

00:28:51.340 Yeah.

00:28:51.640 I did that at Taymount, and then they can send samples, and they did them at home, and

00:28:55.780 it just, I think I was just too damaged.

00:28:57.760 I also think my gut was too permeable for it to make sense.

00:29:00.420 Right, and that's where it's reducing inflammation with the Follostat, and IV may be a first

00:29:05.520 good first step to repair the lining, and then do FMT after.

00:29:09.040 Cool.

00:29:09.660 Okay.

00:29:10.140 Okay, great.

00:29:11.440 Oh, okay.

00:29:12.400 So people asked you about beauty treatments, and I know that you're delving into that.

00:29:17.700 Okay.

00:29:17.880 So what do you guys offer?

00:29:18.840 I'll make a disclaimer, which is my passion is not beauty, but it was a necessary, let's call it evil, because so many people ask about it.

00:29:28.380 And so I took it upon myself to learn.

00:29:30.140 And I learned from two plastic surgeons, one in Switzerland and one in Japan.

00:29:34.220 And both of these people have been doing stem cells for cosmetic purposes for 10 years.

00:29:39.240 So they have tons of experience and they're plastic surgeons and they're cosmetic doctors.

00:29:42.860 And you're probably wondering why are surgeons doing this?

00:29:45.720 because they've seen great results

00:29:47.540 and they don't have to cut people open.

00:29:49.520 So there's a reason why they're offering it to their patients.

00:29:52.480 And the cool thing about,

00:29:54.240 so essentially your skin is aging,

00:29:57.400 just like the rest of your body is aging as time passes.

00:30:00.440 And of course, Botox can help in the acute setting,

00:30:03.980 but it's not doing anything to slow down the aging process.

00:30:06.920 And what causes your skin to age?

00:30:09.300 It's similar processes as anything else in your body,

00:30:12.000 which is there's 10, maybe arguably like 12 hallmarks of aging now. So I'm not going to list

00:30:18.500 all 12 of them, but let's list a few of them. Like mitochondrial dysfunction, senescence

00:30:24.220 associated secretary phenotype, SASP. This is a long word, but it basically just means chronic

00:30:28.860 inflammation. Stem cell exhaustion, where stem cells become exhausted and they can't repair as

00:30:33.240 much. Oxidative stress, gut dysbiosis. And then just tell me your attrition. There's all these

00:30:38.020 other ones. But essentially, they're just all these hallmarks that are consistent in almost

00:30:43.180 every chronic disease. Because aging is the most complex chronic disease. And there's a huge

00:30:48.680 investment of research going into solving aging. Because if we can solve aging, we can actually

00:30:53.320 treat a lot of chronic illness, because aging is the most complex form of it. And the hallmarks

00:30:58.960 that underlie aging also underlie how your skin ages, why you start getting heart disease as you

00:31:04.960 get older why you get neurodegenerative conditions as you get older they're all the same like

00:31:08.760 underlying similar dysfunctional patterns so so in the skin if you're if you okay you understand

00:31:16.280 now okay it's because mitochondria are functioning well it's because you get this chronic inflammation

00:31:20.860 you get all these free radicals that build up from sun damage and exposure so what can you do

00:31:25.560 actually target those mechanisms so that's what we're going after so it's not like we're just

00:31:30.400 trying to say okay make the skin look good and come back in three months we're trying to not

00:31:34.580 only slow down signs of aging but it may not be like you know you because some people expect like

00:31:39.460 oh i'm gonna get the facial and i'm gonna look 10 years younger like it may take it takes time

00:31:43.140 but the biggest thing is it's going to slow down the skin aging process which is to me which is

00:31:47.980 the big like as someone you know i i'm a big believer in prevention and obviously like why

00:31:53.160 not make your skin healthier and slow down the signs of aging if you can uh especially if you

00:31:58.540 know if that's something you're interested in so what we use and this is again i learned this in

00:32:03.440 japan is what they we have something called there's different type of exosomes because there's so many

00:32:08.780 places doing exosomes now and exosomes for people who don't know is basically the growth factors the

00:32:14.240 cytokines and everything that is like the soup the stem cells grow in and they can reduce

00:32:18.300 inflammation but the problem is you have to have specific type of exosomes so let's call them

00:32:24.000 second generation exosomes so instead of just being like exosomes from like you know amniotic

00:32:28.460 fluid or umbilical cord we can actually get exosomes that are derived from skin cells now

00:32:32.220 so that's what we're using for the face now oh cool and that does that make a difference yeah

00:32:37.340 because it stimulates more fibroblasts and more collagen production oh cool so we just so we just

00:32:42.620 started that this year now and it's it's important to understand that basically what they're doing

00:32:48.740 is they take a skin biopsy and then they use cellular reprogramming so it's called yabanaka

00:32:54.340 factors and then they turn them back into a baby stem cell and then you can take those exosomes and

00:32:58.980 you can inject those onto the face why not just take the stem cells and inject them as opposed

00:33:03.640 to the exosomes you can use both so we use both oh okay the stem cells are more powerful uh so

00:33:10.920 they're in combination with exosomes that's what we do and we use like 30 million to 50 million

00:33:14.840 stem cells because the dosing is important because there's there's lots of clinics in like beverly

00:33:19.320 hills and all these places be like stem cells but they're not using true stem cells because it's

00:33:23.240 illegal in the u.s to use culture expanded stem cells where they're grown but that's what they're

00:33:27.400 doing in switzerland and japan and they've been doing it for so long that they know that results

00:33:31.700 usually last between like it can last up to four years but i usually tell people two to three years

00:33:35.380 which is a pretty long time for like a you know one hour procedure so it's not like you have to

00:33:39.780 come back and do it all the time wow and so is that just like microneedling with like topical

00:33:45.020 anesthetic or no you actually do diabetic syringes where you actually go into deep especially for

00:33:49.700 people who have more wrinkles and lines or where they want to use the skin because the skin exosomes

00:33:54.400 tighten the skin because they stimulate fibroblast and collagen production so you can inject that

00:33:58.700 directly into areas where it's more loose to tighten it wow and then we have uh we combine

00:34:03.360 that with the japanese uh facial cream and facial serum that they developed this is a really cool

00:34:09.500 product because it's called plga capsules and it's the only technology i've seen uh that actually

00:34:15.560 penetrates into the dermis and stays in the skin for up to 48 hours and japan has done i mean i

00:34:20.460 think people who know know that japanese and south koreans are probably the best when it comes to

00:34:24.160 skincare because they put so much emphasis on that stuff and they've done study they took 10

00:34:29.440 years to develop this product but they actually they actually have the growth factors from their

00:34:34.500 stem cell medium and they're able to put that into a powder form and into a serum form and it

00:34:40.080 actually preserves because there's all these like stem cell creams out there but they're all bs this

00:34:44.120 is the only one i've seen that actually it's from japan and it actually does what it wow okay i bought

00:34:49.260 a stem cell a bunch of stem cell stuff like last year from this company that had like they didn't

00:34:54.060 have very many ingredients in their products and i was like i like that yeah i understand all these

00:34:57.680 ingredients but the it's unlikely the growth factor no medium you need a conditioned medium

00:35:03.080 and that conditioned medium is the japanese it's their proprietary technology so i don't think

00:35:08.460 anyone else in the world has that as far as i know so what i'm using is just fake probably not doing

00:35:12.520 anything i'll get you the good i don't think it's doing anything okay okay very cool okay that

00:35:18.200 covers beauty um oh and okay before we got started you mentioned colto peptide or something oh yeah

00:35:25.480 clotho clotho okay what is that yeah so people we explained follow statin yeah so clotho is the

00:35:31.620 same vector so meaning it's a plasmid and it's also going to be can be injected subcutaneously

00:35:36.280 or into intramuscularly and it's going to increase your clotho levels back to like an optimal range

00:35:42.620 when like let's say when you were younger and as you get as you get older clotho also decreases

00:35:47.160 so what does clotho do it helps with protect against neurodegeneration and it can help protect

00:35:53.740 against kidney disease as well and it also de-ages your body meaning it's also anti-aging similar to

00:35:59.140 folistatin like our the folistatin the clinical trial we did which is published now we had on

00:36:04.580 average 11 years biological age reduction for people over 60 and how are you testing that a

00:36:10.440 true age diagnostic wow and they're pretty good but like they're not perfect i think we're considering

00:36:16.040 switching to uh this company called generation lab which uses something called biological noise

00:36:20.120 it's about it's a bit more complicated but they're i think their tech seems like it's the best from

00:36:24.300 what i've seen is that measuring telomere length that's just one marker the problem is telomere

00:36:28.340 length isn't like it's not the most accurate representation of how your body's aging and plus

00:36:33.120 like it's it's you have to measure different organ systems and that's the key to it and that's what

00:36:37.700 generation lab does so that's why we're probably going to be working with them and their group from

00:36:41.180 harvard and they're really bright people who've come up with this cool technology so i'm excited

00:36:44.980 to start using their testing for for our new work we're doing now but basically false data and de-ages

00:36:50.420 your body let's say on average 11 years if you're over 60 uh and if you're if you're like our age

00:36:55.960 it's still like five years so it's still pretty decent and but clotho is similar it de-ages your

00:37:01.260 body a similar amount but it all but instead of giving you energy and strength it can potentially

00:37:05.460 make you your memory better uh focus better and it can help with uh maybe even increase iq that's

00:37:11.140 one thing we're going to track that would be nuts your dad suggested to use braven's progressive

00:37:15.340 matrices yeah so we'll use that as a as a clinical in the clinical trial which starts in march wow

00:37:21.420 yeah so is that cumulative you could technically take folistatin and then yeah exactly this other

00:37:25.840 one well that's the whole point years exactly well you'll be good for 18 to 24 months and then you

00:37:29.540 just repeat it so the whole idea is you come you come to our clinics you do these different cell

00:37:34.000 and gene therapies you're good for like two years and then you just come get them as you need them

00:37:37.220 wow has brian johnson does done this clotho what is it how do you spell it how do you spell it

00:37:43.140 k-l-o-t-h-o okay has he done that one he is eager to get it ah okay yeah he did the i'm sure people

00:37:50.480 know he did the follow statin because he talked about it yeah and he showed his blood test he

00:37:54.300 showed the benefits of it so obviously we got a lot of exposure from that but i think uh i think

00:37:59.860 he's a little bit also i mean just on his i think he's a little bit extreme obviously with his

00:38:04.140 approach to longevity but yeah but clotho he's yeah he's excited for it and so are a lot of

00:38:08.620 people we're also going to be looking at clotho because of its benefits for kidney uh we're going

00:38:13.220 to combine it with intra-arterial stem cell injections right into the kidney wow okay and

00:38:20.620 with these stem cell injections when like when you inject them can you see like is there any way to

00:38:25.280 actually measure any tissue regenerator regeneration or anything like yeah yeah we do

00:38:30.160 ultrasound so for example if you have like a tear in your shoulder we can do an ultrasound before

00:38:34.580 and after and we can actually see the tissue regenerate we see that all the time with tendons

00:38:38.800 and muscles uh cartilage as well it's uh but the but the key to let the key to all this is second

00:38:46.460 generation stem cells so second generation stem cells is what we're just so like we talked about

00:38:51.500 second generation exosomes so second generation stem cells is the same technology i like to just

00:38:56.680 say yamanaka stem cells so because it's i think it's easier to remember than induced pluripotent

00:39:01.040 stem cell yeah yeah ipsc as it's called but yamanaka stem cell the guy from japan who won

00:39:07.380 the nobel prize for cellular reprogramming so basically wow taking any cell in your body and

00:39:12.820 making it into a baby stem cell that's called yamanaka stem cell or induced pluripotent stem

00:39:17.660 cell ipsc's and the ipsc's i think for a layperson just remember these this is second generation why

00:39:24.260 is a second generation because you can genetically engineer these cells to target specific tissue so

00:39:30.480 instead of just being like umbilical core stem cells you can create like beta islet cells for

00:39:34.800 the pancreas you can create neural progenitor cells for dementia they've already done parkinson's

00:39:39.500 trial this year it's published ipsc drive dopamine producing neurons oh that sounds like fun and it

00:39:45.680 actually put patients in remission because they transplant them and they actually engraft and

00:39:49.740 regrow new neurons and they and they actually help patients with parkinson's long term so this

00:39:55.620 is what we're we're developing right now we're working with the company and we're developing

00:39:59.460 different ipsc cell lines so this is going to be second generation and that's going to be like you

00:40:04.140 said actually repairing and regenerating tissue more so than the first generation because they

00:40:08.280 actually have more engraftment and i think the biggest thing for people to understand about ipscs

00:40:14.160 is that because they're like embryonic they can the the risk is they can grow into tumors

00:40:18.920 so that's that's and there's a one percent chance of that and so the the cell lines that we have

00:40:23.980 they're genetically engineered and this is a patented technology they're gene edited

00:40:28.560 to prevent tumors or uncontrolled proliferation and where that's the technology we have that's

00:40:34.460 unique i would say compared to other companies so our our ipse's will not cause tumors because

00:40:39.300 they have this gene edit in them oh that's good to know yeah so is this are you using the same

00:40:44.760 technology in the infusions yes we're switching over right now we're still using umbilical cord

00:40:49.160 uh what are called early passage stem cells which is means we minimize amount of replication so we

00:40:55.640 minimize it to three passages which is important because like a lot of stem cell clinics are doing

00:40:59.760 like six eight ten and that's like it's called replicative stress which means you grow it too

00:41:04.620 many times it makes the cells more damaged more vulnerable and they can actually become senescent

00:41:08.740 they don't survive and they can cause even more harm so our cells are early passage but we're

00:41:13.360 switching over probably by the fall or so that we'll have the second generation ones yeah wow

00:41:18.420 wow this is so cool what who who are the people you see the most in the clinic out of curiosity

00:41:24.140 are they like from a specific area or is it mostly americans yeah i mean now it's mainly americans

00:41:29.860 i i think i mean i used to have obviously being from canada there's a lot of canadians but it's

00:41:35.300 definitely switched over in the last like year i would say because america like i mean obviously

00:41:40.380 the population is much bigger and there's a lot of people who are self-educating themselves and

00:41:44.120 but a lot from europe too and i mean even asia now and all over but people most common is obviously

00:41:50.700 i'd say chronic pain that's still like really the bread and butter of what i do yeah okay well

00:41:57.260 that's nice that you can give people relief from that because that is awful it is yeah um so mom

00:42:02.560 actually did your stem cell therapy yeah and she did you correct me if i'm wrong but did she get

00:42:08.180 the infusion and injections into yeah her joints yeah yeah and she told me because i was like did

00:42:13.320 it do anything like did it work and she said she was gardening again she hasn't gardened in like

00:42:17.880 10 years because she had really bad arthritis in her hands and the diet put it into remission but

00:42:23.280 like the damage had been done yeah it had been done yeah and that's the thing i think there's

00:42:28.360 like a lot of like, like, you know, functional med doctors out there who are just like, oh,

00:42:32.860 you can fix everything with diet. It's not, I mean, there's a reason why I have a job. I think

00:42:37.560 you can't, there's certain chronic diseases that are, that need something, a bigger impact to

00:42:43.880 change like the physiology. And then you can, obviously you can layer, you can do a layered

00:42:47.800 approach where things amplify each other. Like, yes, diet, exercise, sleep, stress, all that stuff

00:42:53.980 is great but sometimes it's not enough to get rid of everything and so what we do just kind of helps

00:42:59.200 people to get over the kind of hump yeah that's cool i know i got hit with like reality last year

00:43:05.300 when i was like badly exposed to it wasn't even it was kind of bad but badly exposed to mold where

00:43:10.960 i was like i'm like i don't really have toxic products i'm careful about everything i bring

00:43:16.240 into the home my diet is like one thing and it's worked for so long and then i got sick yeah from

00:43:21.960 mold and I was like oh no there's this other massive factor that I've been completely I hadn't

00:43:27.380 been completely ignoring because I had air purifiers and things but I didn't realize how much

00:43:31.780 that could impact my health when I had all these other things in check yeah exactly and now I think

00:43:38.760 for you you've obviously you've optimized all that stuff as much as you can so it's like what

00:43:43.260 do you do now and that's where we come in and that's why we're gonna do the fall statin for

00:43:47.220 you and a few other things. Oh, okay. And I'll keep everybody posted about that. Um, okay. Let's

00:43:53.220 see. Let's, let's pick another question from people. People were interested in like, let me

00:43:59.280 know how much you can talk about this, but people were interested in different types of cancer

00:44:03.960 treatments. And I know you went to Japan and they're doing some interesting things there.

00:44:08.780 Yeah. I'm not wrong. Yeah, that's right. So in Japan, what I learned was immunotherapy. So,

00:44:15.520 yeah so basically in in traditional oncology i mean it's starting to shift now but it's still

00:44:22.500 very much chemotherapy radiation surgery they're starting to add something called checkpoint

00:44:27.820 inhibitors which are essentially a way for your body to say to kind of stop us so what happens is

00:44:35.640 cancer becomes immuno-invasive meaning your immune system can't recognize it and target it

00:44:40.880 And so checkpoint inhibitors can help to target the cancer.

00:44:44.420 So checkpoint inhibitors are a form of immunotherapy that are starting to be used in the U.S.

00:44:48.800 And then there's other form of immunotherapy.

00:44:51.380 Instead of helping your immune system to recognize a cancer, it actually boosts your body's own power to fight the cancer.

00:44:58.320 So essentially immunotherapy is a very broad term for helping your immune system to deal with cancer.

00:45:03.480 So that's like the general definition.

00:45:05.320 So checkpoint inhibitors is one way to do it.

00:45:07.520 And then the other way is actual cell therapy.

00:45:10.120 And there's genetically engineered cells, for example, like CAR-T, chimeric antigen receptor, which is added on to T-cells.

00:45:18.120 So you take the T-cells out of your body. T-cells are like snipers.

00:45:22.220 They're like, you know, they go around, they kill things. They're cytotoxic T-cells.

00:45:26.240 So their job is to kill cancer and other foreign invaders. 0.97

00:45:29.980 But sometimes they become exhausted, meaning T-cell exhaustion, they can't work. 0.87

00:45:34.560 Or cancer is so smart, it puts on these shields and your immune system can't recognize it.

00:45:39.120 So, what you can do is you can genetically modify them with this chimeric antigen receptor,

00:45:44.740 take them out of your body, and then infuse them back in, and that can help to kill certain

00:45:48.560 type of cancers for leukemia and lymphoma, especially blood cancers.

00:45:52.420 Oh, wow.

00:45:52.800 That sounds a lot less invasive than chemo.

00:45:55.700 So, in theory, you could do these other modes that are available in Japan, and you guys

00:46:00.540 are doing them?

00:46:01.400 Yeah.

00:46:01.540 We manufactured natural killer cells, which are part of your innate immune system.

00:46:08.320 and so natural killer as the word suggests they're natural killers their job is to kill

00:46:13.120 foreign pathogens cancer but again your immune system becomes kind of hijacked when you have

00:46:20.400 cancer and you can't do what it needs to so this can give it a boost to help do what it needs to

00:46:24.760 and same thing with dendritic cells so dendritic cells are what are called antigen presenting cells

00:46:30.420 so they are kind of the think of the natural killer cells as the soldiers and then the dendritic

00:46:37.300 cells as the general who's orchestrating, telling the soldiers where to go. So that's kind of like

00:46:42.780 the general gist of how, so we're putting the infrastructure together for your body to deal

00:46:48.800 with the cancer. But the problem is we don't know, there still needs to be more research to figure

00:46:53.940 out who are the best candidates for immunotherapy. There are some blood tests now and genome

00:46:58.280 sequencing, and there's a lot more individualization you can do for cancer, which unfortunately is not

00:47:02.480 being done. Just to give you context, and this is from Dr. Tom Insuladina, who I have to give credit

00:47:08.660 to. He treats cancer here in Scottsdale, and he does whole genome sequencing, and he says the

00:47:16.380 standard of care, even at the best cancer centers like MD-Adnestrin, are 900 times less than what

00:47:24.020 he's doing in terms of how much genome sequencing you should be doing to figure out what's the best

00:47:28.940 type of therapy for this cancer. So there's like, that's a crazy, not ideal. No, exactly. That's a

00:47:34.480 crazy amount. And that's the number he used. And I'm just like, wow, that is, but because there's

00:47:39.020 no individualization, it's almost kind of like, it's just a mass approach for everyone, but it

00:47:44.220 has to be like personalized treatment for you based off what type of cancer, because there's

00:47:48.960 just so many different subtypes. And depending on the genome sequencing of the tumor and the

00:47:53.660 microenvironment, there's going to be different cancer therapies are going to be more effective

00:47:56.620 as a very generic treatment protocol dendritic cells and natural killer cells aren't going to

00:48:02.940 be harmful and they can only help for almost any type of cancer because they're basically just

00:48:06.400 making your immune system stronger and i've i've you know dr midori who's a japanese doctor her

00:48:11.940 her her dad is an oncologist and he's been doing this for over i think 15 years now in japan and

00:48:18.100 and so the government's totally aware of this and this is just protocol yeah exactly yeah and so

00:48:22.980 they've treated patients with like advanced cancer like stage four who are still alive 10 years later

00:48:27.020 today and obviously it's one of those things like once you see it you believe it and there's

00:48:32.020 obviously japanese literature published on it there's it's harder to find in our literature

00:48:35.860 because it's just not that common but we have we now have dendritic cells as well so we have those

00:48:41.500 in mexico so we're offering dendritic cells and natural killer cells for people just as as a

00:48:46.960 complementary potential treatment i'm not saying don't do chemo i'm just saying why not try to do

00:48:51.600 at least at the very least do both because it can only help chemo as well and there's been studies

00:48:55.820 on that too okay so for the average person because i'm sure there's gonna be somebody listening

00:49:00.260 who isn't like loaded and can't afford to do some of these treatments is this like say they were in

00:49:08.060 japan is this something that's just standard or is it also super no it's also expensive oh okay i

00:49:13.200 would say like i would say if you don't have the means to do these cell therapies and they are very

00:49:18.060 expensive still, because it's a relatively new technology, than doing a minimally invasive

00:49:24.220 approach where you're trying to get your own immune system to fight the cancer. So what does

00:49:30.400 that mean? So back to Dr. Tom, what he does, he uses exercise with oxygen and he uses micronutrients

00:49:37.960 and he looks at all these different toxins in your body that can be the reason why your body

00:49:42.240 can't heal and fight the cancer. So he's just using exercise with oxygen therapy and nutritional

00:49:47.620 and mineral protocols. And he's, he's having a high success rate. He told me he's only had one

00:49:52.900 patient in the last six months who hasn't survived and he gets stage four cases and

00:49:56.840 all sorts of cases. So that's crazy. I know when mom had cancer and we were looking at everything

00:50:02.580 and she was already on like, she was on a ketogenic diet. We were looking into micronutrient

00:50:08.360 therapy, which I didn't understand in the least. It was like, I don't understand how that works.

00:50:12.780 but anyway putting that aside do people assume that the reason people get cancer now because

00:50:19.900 you do see somewhat healthy people and suddenly that they have cancer is that from biotoxin

00:50:24.780 overload yeah toxin overload that's the leading theory and mark lintran who you will bring on your

00:50:30.520 show can go more detailed into it but his theory for people who are curious is called cell

00:50:35.740 suppression theory and he has a book published now and essentially what happens is these

00:50:41.860 intracellular pathogens which are mainly fungal spores that we're all exposed to oh my gosh see

00:50:46.620 i keep spouting off off about mold and people are like oh is the mold the cause behind is that

00:50:51.900 cause behind everything i was like maybe i'm not sure uh she's not wrong it's actually a

00:50:57.880 contributing factor most likely in almost all chronic diseases it's one of those like low

00:51:02.720 hanging fruits like similar to gut dysbiosis like we all it's so common nowadays where we have

00:51:07.560 imbalanced gut bacteria i would say fungal spores falls into that category as well where we all

00:51:12.580 probably have them in ourselves but some of us because for genetic reasons can't clear it or

00:51:16.560 because our immune system becomes weakened over time then it starts causing issues down the road

00:51:20.240 so the best way to deal with it on a very high level is just high high high sweat like just do

00:51:26.900 high intensity exercise where you're sweating because you have to you have to physically sweat

00:51:31.740 and sauna sweat it doesn't do it is it activates these lipases which help to mobilize toxins from

00:51:38.700 your fat and they only get mobilized when you're sweating in from physical exercise why why wouldn't

00:51:44.640 a sauna work because uh it's called hormone sensitive lipase hsl it's a lipase enzyme that

00:51:50.240 gets activated that helps to remove these toxins from your fat but it only gets activated with

00:51:54.800 physical exercise and movement not just from sweating oh my gosh i haven't exercised to the

00:51:59.360 point of sweating in like I have no idea exactly I don't remember the last time I did that and some

00:52:05.100 people can't sweat and have you ever wondered why they can't sweat well yeah why does that

00:52:09.420 because it's like a protective the fungal spores are protected yeah they're basically like they

00:52:13.720 don't want to get out so it's like it makes it harder for your body to sweat it's like they're

00:52:17.280 they're smart oh my gosh okay okay can you explain this then so I'm really used to saunaing and I've

00:52:23.360 saunaed for a long time because like previously it's made me feel better and I have a sauna here

00:52:28.760 and i've been saunaing because i was exposed to mold and i was like i want to detox i'm not

00:52:33.760 sweating properly and i've talked to jordan about this because i've been like i used to be this

00:52:38.220 pro sauna goer yeah and just like 20 minutes in there and i'm drenched and it's been like 40

00:52:43.580 minutes and i have like little tiny droplets and things could that be from being exposed to mold 0.98

00:52:48.660 yeah that is fucked yeah they're smart they're smart little oh my gosh that explains it okay 0.95

00:52:53.800 yeah so we got to get you a sweat we'll get you a sweatsuit because there are what is that it is 0.99

00:52:59.960 what it is you wear it when you work out and it helps you sweat and you can order it online

00:53:03.900 oh my gosh okay I'm glad we did just the podcast just for that because this sauna thing's been

00:53:10.320 weirding me like really weirding me out it's like I don't feel like they're working as well

00:53:14.860 and I heard people talk online like oh I can't sauna it doesn't make me feel good and I was like

00:53:19.540 well maybe you should just suck it up and stay in there longer like I don't know what's going on

00:53:22.660 And now I'm like one of those people.

00:53:25.060 I didn't know what was going on.

00:53:26.420 I was like, I'm not sweating for some reason.

00:53:27.940 No, exactly.

00:53:28.680 Like the reality is there's something.

00:53:30.680 So again, I'm going to keep name dropping Dr. Tom

00:53:33.260 because he's a world expert on this from what I've seen.

00:53:35.700 And he tests, he says there's 86,000 toxins

00:53:38.780 now in the environment.

00:53:41.180 86,000.

00:53:41.980 That's nice.

00:53:42.520 So how can you even, like what are we going to do, right?

00:53:46.080 The environment, we can't change modern society.

00:53:49.460 It's already too far gone.

00:53:51.280 so all we can do is build resiliency and try to do build the right do the right tools so that we

00:53:57.620 can deal with these toxins a sweatsuit sweatsuit i hadn't heard of that yeah that seems very useful

00:54:04.500 and it's not like sauna or infrared technology or is it kind of infrared no no it it i i think it

00:54:11.120 just helps your body to sweat more i don't know the exact mechanism okay but yeah i'm gonna look

00:54:15.200 into that that's cool wow okay okay and then you talked a little bit about how expensive and like

00:54:21.420 i had tons of comments about like these are so expensive like how do normal people afford this

00:54:25.460 but can you talk a little bit about the price of stem cells and yeah i mean the price is actually

00:54:31.400 cheaper than when i came on last year yeah so that's progress so that's progress right like

00:54:35.160 i think last year we said it was like 25 000 for an iv and now it's like 15 to 20 yeah and why is

00:54:41.200 it going down because the manufacturing is improving so we're able to use something called

00:54:44.960 uh bioreactors where you can grow more stem cells at a cheaper cost and it's gonna and that's just

00:54:51.200 gonna get better now let's i think in another year or two once we have the second generation ones

00:54:55.800 and those are at scale then those one will be the expensive ones for like you know let's say

00:55:00.160 celebrities pro athletes people who have more money and then the first generation will be even

00:55:04.140 more affordable so i think it's only going to keep getting better and i think the best analogy

00:55:09.200 now that i think about it is like those do you remember those plasma tvs but when they first

00:55:13.780 came out they were like some of them were like fifty thousand dollars or hundred thousand dollars

00:55:17.880 like now you can get them for like five hundred bucks yeah so it's like you know this happens

00:55:22.500 this is the technology of innovation but there has to be early adopters who are willing to say

00:55:27.760 okay not i mean yes there's there's a selfless component of saying okay i'm willing to do this

00:55:33.640 because i can afford it and it's going to pave the way for future for more people to do it in

00:55:37.620 the future and i think that's the mindset of a lot of people i have i know you know obviously a lot

00:55:42.300 of celebrities and people i treat their that's kind of their mindset too is that they know this

00:55:45.840 exactly because they know this is going to help humanity down the road similar to how electric

00:55:50.060 vehicles like elon musk when he had to get tesla in 2010 he had to he gave it to like near leonardo

00:55:55.600 dicaprio like tom cruise like he was just he just like take a free car because he wants them to just

00:55:59.700 drive it and promote it and but once but the car back then was pretty crappy like it didn't go very

00:56:04.800 far. It was just a bunch of batteries taped together. Like it was so, but the technology

00:56:09.760 improved and paved the way for better technology. And I think that's the same thing with cell and

00:56:14.140 gene therapy. So gene therapy already like, yeah, again, it is expensive right now, but I believe

00:56:21.140 in like five years, the folistatin will be probably like a fifth of the price. Oh, wow. Yeah. That's

00:56:27.260 really cool. Where have you been? Cause you've been around talking to doctors and seeing what

00:56:31.900 like the most cutting edge therapies are where in the world have you been do you think that's

00:56:35.740 advanced the furthest i mean in my space definitely asia like i think uh china japan

00:56:44.760 and even so i haven't been to south korea yet but i'm planning to go this summer

00:56:49.180 are probably are probably the leaders when it comes to tissue engineering cell therapy and gene

00:56:54.960 therapy and like really moving this field forward more from a clinical translation side as opposed

00:57:00.900 to just research like i think u.s still has some of the in canada too has some of the best and

00:57:05.120 brightest scientists but the problem is our regulators don't allow for a lot of the stuff

00:57:10.120 that we're actually making this amazing breakthrough science on because they're so strict

00:57:14.260 and stringent about what can be done when i don't think it's i think i think the japanese models

00:57:21.020 make so much more sense to me which is saying that okay we have a regulatory framework and we

00:57:26.480 know that these things are safe they're very unlikely to cause harm and they have a lot of

00:57:31.380 potential benefit so why don't we allow that for people who want them that i mean it's very logical

00:57:36.260 to me and that's why stem cells have culture expanded stem cells which are the ones that are

00:57:41.140 manufactured and grown for like three or four weeks which are illegal in the usa are having

00:57:45.880 around in japan for 10 years so i think it just it just makes you question why are the japanese

00:57:51.980 doing this to like a such a large scale their own population yeah exactly exactly and whereas here

00:57:58.820 it's like well do we really want people to get better or you know who's who's controlling the

00:58:03.600 regulatory bodies right yeah is this just so is it just the pharmaceutical companies i mean there

00:58:09.700 i think um dr john abraham he was on lex friedman's podcast and he has a great he has if you guys if

00:58:17.100 people who really want to dig into this it's an hour and a half long and he has a book called

00:58:20.420 sickening but the gist of it is i'll give you the high level summary pharmaceutical companies have

00:58:25.500 some there's something called a revolving door which is like big pharma go the the people who

00:58:31.120 are ceos and executives there often go into fda go to scdc and they kind of just like revolve

00:58:36.580 around those different places so in basically in like insiders from the industry are going into

00:58:42.220 the regulatory body so what's so who's who are they going to help out they're going to help out

00:58:45.800 their buddies that they know right so it just that's just unfortunately the way it is that's

00:58:50.880 that's the biggest problem but there's many many other problems in terms of like how these things

00:58:55.240 get approved how they're how pharmaceutical companies are good at getting approvals because

00:58:59.400 they know how to work the system because some of the drugs don't even do much like like there's so

00:59:04.480 many examples but even like there's one called trulicity which is like this um diabetic drug

00:59:10.280 and there's something called number needed to treat which is like how many people actually

00:59:13.960 need to take this to have a real meaningful benefit on their health and like number two

00:59:18.300 you need to treat was something like 327 that means 327 people so if you give it to a thousand

00:59:22.820 people like three benefit three people will actually benefit from it and this is fda approved

00:59:27.240 and because they were just able to do like you know just have a large enough sample size to make

00:59:32.020 it statistically significant and like just they know how to work the system basically and john

00:59:36.480 abraham he he really talks a lot about that abrahamson or yeah his book is called sickening

00:59:42.100 though but it's a really good eye-opening topic sounds yeah that sounds like somebody good to get

00:59:48.360 on too that's awful that's awful i feel like when you grow up especially when you grow up in canada

00:59:52.760 at least when i grew up i was like i was told that we had the best health care system in the world

00:59:56.680 over and over and over yeah best in the entire world and then when it really came down to it

01:00:01.820 when i needed surgery like now yeah it was like oh this is terrible and they're like yeah you might

01:00:07.200 want to go to india we were literally considering that we had a visa booked to get me an ankle

01:00:12.700 replacement in india because there was a three-year waiting list in canada and i was like

01:00:16.920 suicidal with pain india that's and i was like okay well i i thought the same thing it's funny

01:00:24.780 you said that because that's what i was like oh i'm so lucky i get to go to a canadian med school

01:00:28.420 i'm going to the best i'm getting the best medical education in the world and and honestly a lot of

01:00:33.460 My colleagues still think that and that's probably part of the reason why they're not really understanding what's happening in medicine because they think they've already learned everything there's to learn and what they need to learn is being distilled from a very specific lens of guidelines and those guidelines are coming from specialists and those specialists have ties more often than not to pharmaceutical companies because they're the top tier specialists and they always get poached and recruited by these pharmaceutical companies.

01:01:01.100 and so the guidelines are essentially just a reflection of a bunch of specialists who

01:01:05.780 might be the top in their field but unfortunately they have their own biases and so

01:01:10.480 so if you if you if you actually look at it and you start going outside of the guidelines then

01:01:16.020 you're considered not doing things that are standard of care and then that's where it becomes

01:01:19.680 hard for a lot of doctors to be like and so obviously what i'm doing is not standard of

01:01:24.200 care in canada but in other countries it is and in other countries people are benefiting plus

01:01:29.420 for me, it's always a discussion now with my patients. I offered them, I'm like, okay, well,

01:01:34.900 you can get a hip replacement or you can try this stem cell procedure. These are the success rates.

01:01:40.620 This is the pros and benefits. And you can decide. Most of them rather do the less invasive procedure

01:01:45.180 that can potentially have the same outcome. Why not? And why shouldn't they have that option?

01:01:50.660 And the fact that they have to travel outside the country to do that is kind of baffling to me,

01:01:54.760 but that's the current state. So let's talk about joint replacements for a second.

01:01:59.420 how far like what how far gone is a patient that you've seen that's recovered like for me from just

01:02:04.700 to give you an example like when i got my hip replaced it was there was no cartilage and it

01:02:09.660 was bone on bone and the bone was starting to break down so it was at that point yeah can you

01:02:13.900 resolve something that far gone or have you seen that or is it like before that yeah that is we

01:02:21.820 have had cases with that and now especially because we just got hydrogels so hydrogels oh yeah i think

01:02:28.700 think i talked about them last year and now we have them finally uh so we have the first generation

01:02:33.000 of hydrogels which is essentially a scaffold in which the stem cells are embedded into but this

01:02:38.560 hydrogel specifically is really cool it's from it's a company in portugal and what it does is

01:02:43.280 you can inject it using just a regular syringe so you don't have to do surgery but then it cross

01:02:47.740 links once it goes inside so it forms this like scaffold mesh how do you how do you know where

01:02:53.200 to put it just by the injection yeah we use ultrasound guidance to go right into the joint

01:02:57.520 or into wherever we need a scaffold.

01:03:01.120 And so what that allows is it allows the stem cells to embed better,

01:03:04.420 which allows for more engraftment and regeneration.

01:03:06.860 And it really depends on what is causing the pain

01:03:11.180 because if it's purely mechanical because there's like no joint space

01:03:15.800 and it's like hitting bone on bone,

01:03:17.400 then obviously stem cells aren't going to help that.

01:03:19.600 But if it's more... 0.99

01:03:20.560 So I was fucked anyway, probably. 1.00

01:03:21.720 You were probably. 0.99

01:03:22.280 Okay, well that's good because it's replaced.

01:03:24.600 So that's what I kind of want to hear.

01:03:25.980 although now what we're what we're working on is the tissue engineering with 3d bioprinters

01:03:30.780 yeah that's exciting so we have an orthopedic surgeon on our team and we're talking with a

01:03:35.020 company called tissue labs in switzerland and basically what we want to do with them is we want

01:03:39.420 to explore if we can actually 3d bioprint an entire resurfacing essentially of the joint so

01:03:45.360 then in your case where you had no cartilage you would resurface it using this uh the 3d

01:03:50.580 bioprinter scaffold arthroscopically and then it would with stem cells it would regenerate new

01:03:54.720 tissue oh my gosh yeah that would be so good so that's not far away that's like that's already

01:03:58.940 been done in animals and there's a group in the university of washington doing that too and

01:04:02.360 so i don't think that's that's less than definitely less than five years but i'm hoping by next year

01:04:06.960 we'll be offering it in clinical trials wow oh that's really exciting when i um i had my ankle

01:04:13.020 replaced and they put the replacement in crooked slightly crooked uh for and i didn't know that

01:04:18.360 for about 10 years i was in chronic pain and i was going to surgeons to try and find somebody

01:04:22.960 to re-replace my ankle because i was like at this point i don't even want a foot anymore like i was

01:04:27.400 like it hurt so much i was like i would probably be better off if it was just not there and i went

01:04:31.920 to this surgeon who was taking cadaver joints so he'd find eventually he'd find someone who was

01:04:38.460 like a suitable size to you and i went to talk to him and i was like can you do that to me and like

01:04:42.580 give me back my ankle and he just he didn't even it was so sad he didn't even charge me for the

01:04:47.940 appointment he was like no it just doesn't work like they'd been trying to do it and they just

01:04:52.720 weren't working and he was like you know just fly home i'm sorry yeah well that i mean this is

01:04:59.260 what's called synthetic biology which is where we can manufacture cells and tissue to the to the

01:05:05.040 degree that we want that's it that's the era we're heading we're in the beginning of synthetic

01:05:08.460 biology but in 20 years from now we're going to look back and be like wow that was really barbaric

01:05:12.480 what we were doing back then yeah okay so it's uh it's but it's just the beginning of that

01:05:17.640 revolution but it's exciting because obviously there's so much promise in this field and this

01:05:22.540 is just a it's literally there's a whole community of scientists who are brilliant and doing so much

01:05:27.320 amazing work that i know for a fact like i can i'm very confident that this stuff like joint

01:05:32.260 replacement surgery will be a thing of the past within our lifetimes like for sure that's cool

01:05:37.240 okay if that happens i'm gonna get you guys to re-replace my joints with real all right you can

01:05:42.680 just create a go back artificial yeah like basically ankle yeah yeah regrow you a different

01:05:48.040 ankle yeah oh that's so cool okay let's see what else do i have on here oh this was this is this

01:05:55.700 should be an easier question is what to do to to lessen scars so so yeah first understand if it's

01:06:04.440 if it's key like a keloid or hypertrophic scar or even from burns we've had great results using

01:06:09.980 the culture expanded stem cells and this is where dosing becomes important because if you're just

01:06:15.740 using non-expanded ones like the ones that are available in the US the dose is maybe 500,000 to

01:06:21.360 like a million stem cells which just isn't high enough to change the tissue architecture meaning

01:06:28.220 you have to remodel to treat scarring basically you're remodeling the tissue and that remodeling

01:06:34.260 there has to be signals that are strong enough that send those signals and that's where we use

01:06:38.120 like culture expanded stem cells like again like a 30 million dose or something and we would put

01:06:42.640 into the scar directly and it can actually remodel it and it can it can flatten it out

01:06:47.280 and make it much much lighter it doesn't just turn into scar tissue no no one of the now you

01:06:53.460 have a super scar no yeah exactly no stem cells are actually exactly and that's the cool thing

01:06:57.200 about stem cells are kind of more like chameleons they kind of wherever you inject them they help

01:07:01.300 they kind of camouflage or turn into like the local tissue around them so that's that's their

01:07:06.660 cool that's the job and one of their one of their uh main effects uh is anti-fibrosis or

01:07:12.840 anti-fibrotic meaning a healthy fibrosis or scarring that's why it's we can use it even

01:07:17.000 with chronic fibrosis or scarring for different organs and but obviously scarring is no different

01:07:21.540 and so now now that we have the second generation exosomes we're using that and stem cells together

01:07:26.360 for scarring okay do you think that works better than like lasers like co2 yeah no because i've

01:07:31.940 had many patients who tried that we're usually the last resort because our stuff is yeah obviously

01:07:36.380 more expensive um so most of my pay like we've treated many scars and a lot of them are people

01:07:41.500 who've already tried all that stuff yeah okay so they're usually tried all the traditional things

01:07:45.420 and they're kind of like well what else is it what else is out there and that's how they end

01:07:48.500 up with us okay what's your favorite treatment that you do honestly i think it's becoming

01:07:54.120 the vagus nerve because of how satisfying it is to see how much it changes people's lives and how

01:08:01.360 quickly i guess i like the immediate gratification whereas with stem cells like often it can take

01:08:05.900 months to see the results and you know you're slowly it's kind of like watching paint dry you're

01:08:09.620 like you want to see how people are doing but just it often takes time chronic pain might be quicker

01:08:13.800 but for other conditions it does take like four to six months so with with vegas nerve like like

01:08:18.860 i was saying that like girl like i've had like those special forces army guys like they literally

01:08:24.060 like within 10 minutes they're like crying because their life just changed and they're going back

01:08:29.400 from being suicidal to not being suicidal and living a normal life like with the 10 minute

01:08:34.400 procedure like i just i just find that so like it's just it's amazing to watch and it's it's it's

01:08:40.820 kind of sad in a sense that like it's not accessible like it's like very few people know

01:08:45.380 about it and that that this is even an option for them because there's so many people with mental

01:08:49.060 health conditions that are rooted in unresolved emotional trauma and that unresolved emotional

01:08:54.620 trauma stays in your nervous system and that's why the vagus nerve injection is so powerful

01:08:58.240 because it's resetting and rebooting your nervous system.

01:09:00.800 And if you can do the work, the deep root cause work

01:09:05.800 of working with someone, going to your childhood

01:09:07.800 and really exploring that,

01:09:09.320 whether that's with psychedelics or without,

01:09:10.940 I think that's where a lot of the best benefits are for therapy.

01:09:14.140 But we're doing it just in an interventional form.

01:09:16.440 Yeah, that's so interesting.

01:09:18.240 So for people who can't do the interventional form,

01:09:22.380 that's where psychedelics or just,

01:09:24.800 I guess that's where like writing out your past

01:09:26.640 and just trying to work. Yeah. Russell Kennedy, who you should bring on your show to, he wrote a

01:09:31.460 book called Anxiety Rx. And it's probably the best book I've seen on anxiety. But it's all about

01:09:36.960 how to work, like you said, writing it down, but working through and having a stepwise approach

01:09:41.660 to how to get to the root of unresolved emotional trauma or childhood trauma that you didn't even

01:09:45.980 think was trauma, but is actually what is causing you from having this anxiety or having this

01:09:50.240 depression. And that's what Russell Kennedy talks about. And he's his success rates are way higher

01:09:55.240 than like CBT and like, you know, cognitive behavioral therapy and standard of care therapy

01:09:59.380 because CBT results are not that great. And people's, and it takes like 12, 24 weeks. And

01:10:04.000 a lot of times people don't get benefit from it. So, so I think we're really starting to understand

01:10:08.440 and probably Gabor Mate and, you know, a lot of the people who did the initial work on adverse

01:10:13.200 childhood events and that type of stuff really set the foundation for us to understand that, hey,

01:10:17.600 these, these adverse childhood events are actually probably one of the main drivers for chronic

01:10:21.740 neuropsychiatric disorders and those adverse childhood events too they don't have to look

01:10:26.860 like trauma right exactly everybody around them yeah just be something that well exactly like

01:10:31.180 dr kennedy russell was telling me that like he's had cases where because he does he helps a lot of

01:10:37.200 people with these different disorders where people had chronic anxiety and it was related to

01:10:43.380 them getting left at home when their parents took the other child to a vacation and then like just

01:10:49.320 something simple as that just like but the child remembers being alone with their grandparents and

01:10:55.340 being forgotten about and you know like things like that which you would never think would be

01:10:59.680 a trauma but maybe it is you know what i mean so so anxiety provoking as a parent

01:11:05.900 like what am i what do i do i know that's why i can't spoil them but exactly as a as a parent

01:11:13.100 too now it's like that was the same that was the same reaction i had so i'm like i'm like russ how

01:11:17.820 do I prevent my kids from like not having any trauma when they're older so you gotta be so

01:11:22.360 cognizant of the small it's just it could be the smallest things right and I think that's where

01:11:25.700 communication and really having that emotional intelligence and resiliency and building that in

01:11:30.920 the kids yeah that because you can't you can't also keep them safe and not expose them to anything

01:11:36.200 no they're gonna go out in the real world and instantly be traumatized yeah exactly oh man

01:11:41.380 how old is your kid now are you enjoying being a dad well I have a five-month-old boy but I have

01:11:46.740 also two girls so who are three well four and three now so so yeah it's fun I mean I think the

01:11:53.120 favorite my favorite part about is watching them change and develop but I think I think one of the

01:11:57.960 things I've I've read a few books because I think the interesting thing is with in society it's like

01:12:02.960 why don't we ever get educated on how to become a good parent yeah how to become educated so that

01:12:08.960 we can actually do a good job because if you if you do a good job with parenting that's gonna

01:12:14.260 makes such a big difference for society for like everything right like uh and i found the two

01:12:20.080 biggest things i've read about which i'll be curious to hear your thoughts are instilling

01:12:24.420 self-efficacy and creativity in children because those are two of the most important skill sets

01:12:29.560 that foster like a you know a successful resilient child like that they believe in themselves if they

01:12:34.660 work hard at something they can succeed and then obviously creativity is pretty self-explanatory and

01:12:38.920 school tends to kill creativity in the modern form it is and I had this experience with Scarlett so

01:12:45.300 I've got a six-year-old and I've always been like she's gonna love like reading because I used to

01:12:50.640 love reading although I'm thinking now that maybe part of the reason I liked it so much is because

01:12:54.100 I wasn't running around as much as a normal kid because the arthritis and was like immersing

01:12:57.760 myself in books sounds good I don't know I might have liked books anyway but but she's like she's

01:13:02.420 interested in drawing and i was and i was like that's cool but i always i was like you should

01:13:08.840 be interested in reading and i just gave up recently because i like looked at one of the

01:13:12.780 paintings she did compared to other kids her age and i was like oh she's actually really good at

01:13:17.940 painting like maybe i should be like you draw your heart out who cares about reading you can

01:13:22.060 learn that thoroughly later it's not like you're gonna be illiterate when you grow up um and school

01:13:27.480 does kind of kill that oh yeah I mean I think if you don't fit into their box which is I mean I

01:13:34.800 think school was designed I mean this is I'm pretty sure it was it's for factory workers

01:13:39.500 basically which is like meaning that it's replicable it's meant for just getting people

01:13:43.880 out into workforce and doing regular jobs but regular jobs in the next 10 years especially

01:13:49.180 by because machine learning and AI are going to be most of them are going to be replaced

01:13:52.680 so a lot of it becomes knowledge work and creativity work and that's something that

01:13:57.540 education system is really not preparing people for so that's why I'm a huge believer in travel

01:14:02.300 and like I mean I travel all over and by taking my kids with me I think it's so good for their

01:14:05.920 brain and so good for their development because then they see different perspectives and it just

01:14:09.940 you see things differently yeah so do they go over to Dubai over there yeah over there yeah

01:14:14.920 and I'm gonna take them to Japan this summer so oh wow yeah I'm gonna be working in Japan for

01:14:19.060 two months or so and i'm excited because not only learning more about stem cells but the gene

01:14:24.580 therapy stuff too because they've uh i mean it's it's the birthplace of the yamanaka stem cells

01:14:29.320 which is the gene edited stem cells so there's there's obviously a lot of amazing scientists

01:14:33.220 over there and do you just have connections with people who are like willing to show you around

01:14:37.040 like teach you what they're doing or how do you get in there and yeah i'm good at networking

01:14:40.800 that's uh a lot of it is yeah a lot of it it's a community it's like a community right of

01:14:46.380 regenerative medicine people like I would say and scientists and people who are actually trying to

01:14:50.100 do good work meaning just trying to like improve the science like using and like it's it's kind of

01:14:55.380 cheesy but at the end most of the scientists we all just want to help people and like we every

01:14:59.940 scientist's dream is for their work to make an impact on people's lives like and and so a lot

01:15:05.320 of them that's and they see a lot of them like I found a lot of them like me because they see that

01:15:10.280 I'm really trying to go out there and trying to put this into people and trying to really move

01:15:14.260 the field forward as much as I can. And unfortunately, I have to go outside of US and

01:15:18.300 Canada, but that's the nature of it for now. And I think, I'm hoping the more I learn in Japan and

01:15:25.200 the more I can kind of hopefully show the government maybe back home that, hey, you know,

01:15:30.240 this is a very successful model over here. And it actually saves us money because you prevent

01:15:34.260 disease or it's less costly than surgery. There's all these actual economic benefits too, which

01:15:38.740 get overlooked all the time. You think if someone just had a conversation with the right person

01:15:44.180 in the government you'd be like hey look japan's doing it they're ahead don't you also want to be

01:15:48.580 ahead yeah exactly what are we doing yeah exactly even just like forget about helping people like

01:15:52.760 there's a competition here and you're losing yeah no just that aspect yeah it depends on

01:15:57.080 which bureaucrat you're talking to yeah yeah definitely okay well i think that's good thank

01:16:05.600 you very much for coming on that was really interesting and i think maybe i'll have you

01:16:10.300 on again and then we can talk about what happens with the fall statin and whatever else you learn

01:16:15.200 because you've learned a ton. I mean, this was a new conversation from last year. Yeah. So we

01:16:19.720 should do this again. Yeah, no, for sure. And hopefully you can come down to Cabo and we can

01:16:23.840 do some other stuff too for you. Oh my gosh, definitely. I definitely want to do the Vegas

01:16:28.780 thing. That sounds great. Rather than work through all my trauma, like that sounds, that's going to

01:16:32.880 take so many shrooms. Yeah, no, it just makes it, well, this makes it so much easier. Yeah. All 0.99

01:16:38.220 All right, till then.

01:16:39.220 Okay, thank you.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - January 24, 2024

Cutting Edge Regenerative Medicine： 2024 ｜ Dr. Adeel Khan EP 198

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