The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - Isabel Brown on Pregnancy, Gen Z, Faith, and Conservatism ｜ EP 223

00:00:00.000 People wonder why young men gave the middle finger to the left.

00:00:03.200 And I'm thinking, you've spent the last decade trying to program like a robot

00:00:07.220 every single person under the age of 45 to think men, evil, eat all men.

00:00:12.520 And now you're surprised that the next group of young men is saying,

00:00:15.360 Every young group of people throughout history always has one thing in common.

00:00:20.500 They want to rebel against the people who came before them.

00:00:23.260 Throughout the 70s and 80s and 90s, you think of the hippie movement and rock and roll

00:00:26.900 and covering your body in tattoos and sticking it to the man.

00:00:29.640 Now, to be a modern rebel, it's to want to get married.

00:00:32.860 This last year, Bible sales are up 22% in the United States.

00:00:36.240 There are more young people converting to Christianity now than at any other time in modern history. 0.53

00:00:41.440 It's up to young people now because no one else is going to do this to take back our country and to redefine the American dream. 0.73

00:00:52.480 Isabel Brown, welcome to my podcast.

00:00:54.640 Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

00:00:57.100 this is fun I don't think I've ever done a podcast with someone while pregnant who was also pregnant

00:01:03.140 I know I'm sure we're gonna have a lot to bond over and talk about today but I feel like

00:01:07.060 everybody's having babies this year which is so fun I think so last year kind of felt like that

00:01:12.720 too but it's really fun is this your first baby it is yeah as we're recording right now I'm about

00:01:18.740 24 weeks pregnant uh which has been so fun and so exciting and a beautiful journey has it been hard

00:01:24.680 Yeah. I told my friend last night, we went out to dinner and she said, okay, be honest. What's

00:01:29.780 pregnancy actually like? I think a lot of it has been surprising, which took me a little bit by

00:01:35.380 surprise because I was pre-med in college. I studied the science behind this more times than

00:01:39.900 I can count. And I do a whole lot of work in the pro-life advocacy space. So I know a whole lot

00:01:44.720 about pregnancy, but it's impossible really to prepare for it until you experience it yourself.

00:01:49.680 So many symptoms that are very commonplace, nobody talks about. And so that can be surprising.

00:01:54.680 facing those for the first time. But I think the most beautiful parts have been the things that

00:02:00.120 you can't explain to anyone else, like feeling your baby kick inside of you for the first time

00:02:04.440 and what it's like to hear their heartbeat on an ultrasound for the first time. It is truly,

00:02:08.880 truly magical. And for all of the hard, difficult, frustrating parts of it, honestly, that's only

00:02:14.260 made the experience way more rewarding because you learn so much about the self-sacrifice to

00:02:19.020 give someone else a chance at life. That was so beautiful. Thank you. You're coming at this from

00:02:23.860 a much healthier angle than me. This is, I had a baby like a year ago and I was like, Oh,

00:02:31.180 as soon as you have a baby, you're like, Oh, we should have more. Of course. So cute. And then I

00:02:35.460 was like, okay, this is a bit, this is a bit soon. I'm very excited and thrilled. And it's been like

00:02:39.860 way easier than I thought it was going to be, you know, easier than last time to every pregnancy

00:02:44.720 they say is different that way. What changed for you? You know, I've gotten healthier and healthier.

00:02:49.340 so i'm inclined to think it's just getting my health like improving my health over the subsequent

00:02:55.260 years i so i think it's mostly that yeah like i'm even doing better when i had my baby last year i

00:03:00.480 was really sick from living in miami and in mold like really sick and i got out of mold and like

00:03:06.560 instantly got pregnant was like well i guess i'm feeling better and um so i so i think some of my

00:03:12.320 pregnancy symptoms are because of that so this is way easier but i'm still like kind of whiny about

00:03:16.080 it. Yeah. That's okay. You're entitled to be a little white. That might be part of the problem

00:03:20.200 too. And I'm in like a good relationship. So I'm just like, I don't want to do that. I'm,

00:03:24.420 what are you doing? I'm making a baby and I'm tired. The number of times I've said to my

00:03:30.100 husband, guess what I did all day? Major child. So you can fill up my water bottle for the 20th

00:03:34.600 time. But like, it's also exhausting. It is. Oh my gosh. It's so much to take on. And it's

00:03:40.840 definitely stretching me in so many different ways, literally. Uh, but also emotionally and

00:03:45.860 spiritually. I think it's just been a very powerful experience and I'm really excited to

00:03:50.220 meet her officially when she gets here. Oh girl too. Yeah. Me too. Oh, that's so exciting. That's

00:03:55.880 so fun. Um, okay. Religion. Let's do that for a little bit. Yeah. Did you grow up with faith?

00:04:05.020 I did. Is that kind of baked into your family? So you knew it from a young age? It was, yeah. I was

00:04:09.640 raised in the Catholic church really from the time I was baptized as an infant, uh, off and on went

00:04:14.260 to Catholic schools and non-religious schools growing up, but went to a Catholic high school

00:04:17.780 where faith was a huge component of our religious education and upbringing. And by the time I got

00:04:24.240 to college, my faith was really important to me. It always has been throughout my adolescence and

00:04:28.680 young adult years, but I didn't have great experience when it came to the campus ministry

00:04:33.820 group at my university, especially because I was so plugged into the political movement

00:04:38.360 that I was leading on my college campus. And a lot of people didn't like that in terms of

00:04:43.000 our church community and saying it was too distracting to my faith. And I was a bad Catholic

00:04:47.680 for getting involved in politics on the secular side of things. So I spent a few years kind of

00:04:52.960 exploring everything when it came to Christianity. I had never attended a non-denominational church.

00:04:58.480 I'd never really explored Protestantism and spent a few years kind of dabbling across the space,

00:05:03.680 but really came home with an absolute love and passion and fervor for the Catholic faith a few

00:05:08.800 years ago. And actually I'm so in love with it now because this last year, my husband decided

00:05:14.340 to join the church. So walked with him through the RCIA process, which is when you convert to

00:05:18.900 the church as an adult, uh, because he asked me to be his sponsor. And throughout that journey

00:05:23.740 was really falling in love with confronting the big questions about Catholicism and, uh,

00:05:29.340 the last 2000 years of church history through fresh eyes because of his perspective. And he

00:05:34.260 was asking me questions about the Eucharist and Mary and the early church fathers. And I knew the

00:05:39.640 answers to those things at the baseline level, at least, but I was really craving a depth of

00:05:44.960 knowledge in terms of studied, uh, academia when it comes to theology that I didn't have. So in May

00:05:50.820 just started a theology master's program at Notre Dame actually. Yeah. It's just been fantastic. And

00:05:56.960 I love it. That's very cool. Okay. Is that, is that an online program? It is. Yeah. I knew

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00:06:17.380 my own by self-research and independent study. But it was nice to have access to experts who

00:06:22.600 knew things a lot better than I did and could point me in the right direction. Spent many,

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00:06:36.560 who don't work for the church. So these are people out in the world, lay people, as we would call

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00:07:29.600 guys. Enjoy the rest of the podcast. So for anyone who isn't familiar with you, can you give a brief

00:07:34.500 background about who you are and what it is you do? Yeah, absolutely. Oh my gosh. Never thought

00:07:39.860 I would be doing this as a job. Never dreamed of working in media or certainly in politics.

00:07:45.580 Ultimately, my dream growing up was to become a physician. And I started college with a degree

00:07:50.860 in biomedical sciences at Colorado State University, where I grew up in the state of

00:07:55.760 Colorado. Love science, will always be a scientist at heart when it comes to how I approach issues,

00:08:01.420 but learned really, really quickly that even at my traditionally pretty conservative

00:08:07.140 agriculture-based school in Colorado, the pursuit of objective truth was not really a part of my

00:08:14.020 science curriculum. In classes like anatomy and physiology and eukaryotic cellular biology,

00:08:20.860 we weren't really talking about scientific fact.

00:08:24.040 More often than not, we were confronting my professor's political opinions

00:08:27.560 or learning the crazy twisted version of science.

00:08:30.820 I think COVID explained to the entire world in the last few years

00:08:34.720 where we would be taught about every step of fetal development, for example,

00:08:38.700 for months and months and months, and then be taught by our professor,

00:08:41.800 well, abortion doesn't actually end a genetically unique human life.

00:08:45.880 Or, hey, I know we told you that there's two sets of chromosomes

00:08:49.300 and that really determines biological sex, but your gender can just be something different if

00:08:54.780 you want to change it on any given week. Were you learning that in your science courses? I was,

00:08:58.120 yeah. What year was this? I started college in 2015 and graduated in 2019. So it was right at

00:09:04.060 the height of Trump coming into power the first time. Antifa was on the rise for the first time.

00:09:08.600 And what I really found was a total intolerance toward not just a conservative political viewpoint

00:09:14.480 on my campus, but a religious one as well. Actually, in a class, I had to choose the wrong

00:09:20.800 answer choice in order to stand up for my faith on a multiple choice exam. They said it was

00:09:25.740 impossible that God could have created the universe. And essentially, you had to say

00:09:29.820 everything spontaneously erupted from a single cell. We don't really have a bigger explanation.

00:09:34.300 In a biology course?

00:09:35.480 In a biology course. So that was shocking to me. And obviously, I wanted to do something about it.

00:09:40.760 I've never been one to sit down and shut up in the midst of extreme injustice towards just a difference of opinion, really.

00:09:47.520 It wasn't this whole crusade necessarily I intended to start on my campus, but to protect people's right to think differently and question things and interact with ideas that are different from our own, which is what academia is supposed to be all about.

00:10:01.160 Long story short, ended up getting very involved in the campus political movement right as

00:10:05.420 that was becoming mainstream with groups like Turning Point USA, had a bunch of great speakers

00:10:10.300 come speak on my campus like Charlie Kirk and Dennis Prager right when that was becoming

00:10:14.480 a brand new idea and fell in love with activism and advocacy.

00:10:19.120 And I knew I wanted to take that with me after graduation.

00:10:22.020 So I started posting on social media in 2019 through graduate school where I kept learning

00:10:27.400 about health policy and science. And now I've really grown to leaps and bounds I never ever

00:10:33.100 could have imagined as a creator. And you have a book? I do. Yeah, I've published two books in the

00:10:38.020 process. This has been a long, long story, so bear with me, but published two books in the process,

00:10:42.720 one about the college experience from a conservative student perspective right after I

00:10:47.120 graduated. That came out in 2021 and just had a book released in March making the case for how

00:10:53.840 Gen Z is the generation that's going to save America and become the most conservative one

00:10:59.440 we've seen in a long time. I was literally laughed off set at Fox News and Newsmax and pretty much

00:11:05.820 every radio station in the country when the book came out in March. And I love going back now and

00:11:11.120 saying, see, we told you so because this last election was so overwhelmingly driven by young

00:11:16.160 people. I have a podcast where we talk about all kinds of stuff, dating, religion, politics,

00:11:21.700 what's trending on TikTok and pretty much everything else. And it's just been the journey

00:11:26.460 of a lifetime to see where God has led me in the most unexpected of ways. That was great. Okay.

00:11:32.580 There's a bunch of things I want to get into. I went to university for biomedical science too.

00:11:37.360 Love. I was in Canada. I didn't finish my degree. I actually stopped because I wasn't,

00:11:44.280 I learned a ton and I absolutely loved it, but there were parts of the curriculum I didn't agree

00:11:48.780 with. It didn't sound as bad as yours. Yeah. This was in 20, I think it was in that program, 2013,

00:11:54.240 2014, part of 2015. Um, I didn't have any overt questions. They were just starting to sneak in.

00:12:02.780 Like people would come into the class and be like, Oh, I know if you're in this like physics,

00:12:06.660 for example, if you're in the physics class and you're female, I know it was a lot harder for you

00:12:10.280 to get here. And it was just that kind of thing. And I was like, why was it harder? Like, am I

00:12:15.160 stupid. Like what, what exactly are you saying? It was just little bits, but my science classes 1.00

00:12:20.260 hadn't really been infected. History had, so history was, was woke. But I guess at that time

00:12:27.060 in Canada, anyway, the sciences were still okay, which was like a breath of fresh air. Cause I

00:12:30.960 came from psychology in Montreal, which was just, oh my gosh, what a mess. But, but anyway, um,

00:12:39.080 so you said you went to a Catholic high school, that's what you said, but also regular high

00:12:44.800 school uh regular middle school uh partly elementary school we moved around a lot i was

00:12:49.840 just talking to my husband about this because i was like what was the difference in regards to

00:12:55.100 like how dating was perceived and marriage and all these things and he went to a christian high

00:13:00.000 school i was like what was that like was like if somebody slept with somebody else was it like

00:13:05.460 god doesn't want that for you like was that kind of like the overarching feeling from other people

00:13:11.080 or was it just the same as public school which you know I think it depends on who you would ask

00:13:16.260 to be honest and which friend group somebody was a part of or something like that we had a pretty

00:13:20.700 big religious presence on my high school campus where we would take religious ed classes mandatorily

00:13:26.440 as part of our curriculum depending on the year that might look like church history we had a

00:13:31.160 morality class my junior year where we talked a lot about stuff like this and we would regularly

00:13:35.820 do retreats with our school. That was a huge part of my spiritual formation growing up.

00:13:40.860 Most people who go to Catholic high school in the United States do a retreat their junior year

00:13:45.220 called Kairos, which quite literally just means God's time. And it is an incredible four-day

00:13:50.520 experience that many, many, many thousands of people in our country absolutely love and look

00:13:55.140 back on. Basically, it's like the transition of accepting your faith into your grown-up years.

00:13:59.540 And what does that actually mean to live your faith for yourself and not just do this because

00:14:04.980 your family wants to bring you on Sunday mornings. That was really, really impactful for me. But in

00:14:09.800 terms of personal values or decisions and some degeneracy, perhaps, I mean, I think every school,

00:14:15.560 regardless of whether it's parochial or completely secular, probably deals with some of that. We

00:14:20.880 certainly did. And what's been really interesting to me now is during my teenage years, it was almost

00:14:26.420 like trendy or cool and cutting edge to say that you were rejecting the faith at our high school

00:14:33.000 because a lot of these families had seven or eight kids and this was the sixth or seventh

00:14:37.860 sibling to go through these schools, extremely Catholic with a capital C families. And to be

00:14:43.980 cutting edge or edgy and to rebel against your family meant to call yourself an atheist as a

00:14:49.040 teenager and say, I don't believe in any of this. I'm now watching a lot of those people I went to

00:14:53.520 high school with come back around and fall in love with their faith now as adults. And I think we're

00:14:58.000 seeing that at the spiritual level for our whole country, really. Nobody could have expected that

00:15:02.840 our generation would become so overwhelmingly in love with God. And yet this last year,

00:15:07.820 Bible sales are up 22% in the United States. There are more young people converting to

00:15:12.660 Christianity now than at any other time in modern history. And they're really craving this

00:15:18.080 traditional with a capital T faith, Catholicism and orthodoxy more than anybody could have seen

00:15:23.900 coming. And I think a lot of that is just because we've seen faith in America become so secularized

00:15:30.820 and influenced by pop culture, where the church is doing this thing. And I say the church meaning

00:15:36.060 across all denominations, but they seem to have been doing this thing for the last 10 years or so

00:15:40.480 called being more seeker friendly. That's a term you might've heard. And it's not working. It's

00:15:45.660 backfiring big time. You're watching pastors wearing the rainbow flag, reciting stuff like

00:15:50.680 the sparkle creed on Sunday morning, which is a real thing, sadly. Wish it wasn't. I haven't heard

00:15:56.520 of this oh it's bad if you look it up i believe in the non-binary god and the whole thing the 1.00

00:16:02.380 whole thing uh which is blasphemous and insane but you're watching people see these events unfold 0.84

00:16:09.100 or watch the blm flag get flown outside of their church on sunday morning yeah yeah be lectured to

00:16:15.120 about their child's gender identity and young people especially are realizing our society is

00:16:20.300 miserable like this right now nobody's happy we're facing the biggest mental health crisis

00:16:24.980 of all time, particularly as young adults, something is broken there with how the church

00:16:30.620 has tried to become more like the world instead of the other way around. So you're seeing massive

00:16:35.700 flocking back towards traditional Christianity. And Gen Z, shockingly, is the most likely demographic 0.99

00:16:42.040 to seek out stuff like the traditional Latin mass, which nobody ever could have predicted. 0.84

00:16:47.720 But it's this huge countercultural movement that I think speaks volumes as to our desire to want

00:16:53.480 to return to traditionalism as a society dad was just telling me that i don't know the stats around

00:16:59.340 this i like obviously i can sense it that there's way more people open to christianity and converting

00:17:06.960 i converted so like which i never would have thought i would have like years ago growing up

00:17:13.060 in toronto uh so i can see that but he was talking about how it is it is catholicism and orthodoxy

00:17:20.060 Those are the numbers that are growing faster than Protestantism.

00:17:23.520 Is that true? 0.74

00:17:24.520 Much faster.

00:17:25.300 Wow.

00:17:25.860 That's, you know what?

00:17:26.740 That doesn't really surprise me for a number of reasons.

00:17:30.180 Like one, as a backlash, I know like all the churches in Toronto that I grew up around,

00:17:34.900 if you go back now, they all have rainbow flags outside. 0.66

00:17:37.660 It's nuts.

00:17:38.760 Like my parents couldn't find, my mom has one, I don't remember if it's Catholic or Orthodox.

00:17:44.400 I think it's a Catholic church she goes to that she's like, it's fine.

00:17:47.220 But it was like one. 1.00

00:17:48.380 All the other ones are insane.

00:17:50.060 so that honestly reminds me of what we're seeing in the uk too obviously there's more political

00:17:55.540 nuance from the last several thousand years there with the anglican church but quite literally a few

00:18:00.120 months ago i was in scotland with my family and while we were there a headline came out from the

00:18:04.820 telegraph that the church of england was trying to change the name to drop the word church they

00:18:10.920 wanted to call themselves like the community of england to be more open-minded this is so painful

00:18:16.700 this was for young people, right? But I'm looking around at the whole world and young people

00:18:20.880 wanting real substantive faith in Christianity. And I'm thinking, who is telling you this is a

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00:19:38.320 yes sadly i always say i love that elon bought x i love that we're breaking the news on x and

00:19:44.580 people are the media now twitter long has been a place for me where dreams go to die everything is

00:19:50.240 so negative and so divisive and so horrible but i am seeing everything coming out of europe and

00:19:55.720 the uk and it is just astounding to me both from the free speech element and people getting thrown

00:20:01.960 in prison for 20 months for posting something on facebook and from these grooming gangs that i'm

00:20:07.500 very thankful are now coming to the surface with headlines and we're learning about this

00:20:11.300 for the first time but how is it possible that for decades and decades they're estimating over

00:20:16.420 250 000 young girls have been raped in the united kingdom and nothing has been done about it i know

00:20:23.840 i can't believe i hadn't i feel like i might have heard about the rother what is it rotherham

00:20:29.700 like too pregnant for words really but sorry i feel like maybe i heard something about that but

00:20:36.440 i was like well isolated it horrifying isolated incident but to know that this has been going on

00:20:42.400 for that long and then the recent vote against looking into it from the uk government it's a

00:20:48.420 shame it's like are we gonna look into this everyone seems upset about this no not even to

00:20:54.340 prosecute people but just to like investigate into it which is asinine to me and what's really sad

00:21:00.000 uh is you've watched this really strong cultural shift happen in the uk over the last six months

00:21:06.100 or so as it pertains to free speech and free expression and particularly criticizing the

00:21:11.160 government. And you have amazing people who are doing incredible work to try to expose some of

00:21:16.840 this stuff that now either are in prison, number one, or number two, are so afraid that they are

00:21:22.740 actually going to be prosecuted for this stuff and jailed for it that they just can't say anything.

00:21:27.860 I was on a podcast a few weeks ago with Winston Marshall, who is amazing and does incredible work,

00:21:32.880 and we were asking him about how bad things have gotten and he actually had to say on this podcast

00:21:36.860 yeah i'm in london right now i'm not in the united states so i actually literally can't answer that

00:21:41.160 question or i'll be thrown in prison and i remember that's exactly the face i made i remember just

00:21:45.560 sitting there thinking oh my gosh how do people live like how's he even doing a podcast exactly

00:21:50.260 do politics he does yeah and he talks about this stuff all the time but what if his guest says

00:21:54.860 something that's a little bit different i think but he had been given a call from someone saying

00:21:59.080 hey you're like on a list now and you have to be aware of this stuff when you're in the united

00:22:03.860 states it's a little easier for you to be more critical but when you're at home this is going

00:22:07.200 to be tough moving forward and i don't know how much worse things have to get in the uk for people

00:22:14.000 to break but you can't have a free society and expect people to live like that they're mutually

00:22:19.000 exclusive things that's insane i know there was a bell c63 that they were trying to pass in

00:22:25.820 canada that was similar that made it basically if you had conservative views online it was deemed

00:22:31.880 as hate speech and then you could be thrown in prison basically the same thing as what's going

00:22:35.960 on in the uk and people were like no they wouldn't do that and was like they're doing it right now in

00:22:41.520 the uk and it's canada which is kind of like you know in between america and the uk i was like this

00:22:47.360 could have happened like dad you got to get out of there you're gonna throw you in prison i think

00:22:51.740 if this passes which it could although now that everything's on pause now so i know i'm so anxious

00:22:57.800 to see what happens yeah it's a mess it's not it's not necessarily like so trudeau said he'd

00:23:04.340 resign then prorogued the government for three months which is ridiculous and is only supposed

00:23:08.980 to happen like in in certain types of emergencies but leaders have been known to like take a pause

00:23:16.240 when they know they're going to get kicked out yeah basically and conservatives have done it too

00:23:20.320 so it's happened but um at least it paused all the bills there were crazy bills getting pushed

00:23:25.700 through that i think they're just disappearing now uh yeah i'm not sure i what they do with

00:23:32.040 those now that everything's just kind of in limbo from the research i don't know either from the

00:23:36.620 research i've done online is like the bills that were getting passed through are gone now

00:23:40.140 unless someone tries to bring it up again but i think there'll be a switch in government 0.97

00:23:44.620 unless Canadians are so insane 0.85

00:23:47.420 that they vote in another liberal, 1.00

00:23:50.140 which they could.

00:23:52.100 I hope they don't.

00:23:53.900 They might though.

00:23:54.860 I think they're just doing the Biden-Harris switch,

00:23:58.560 but Canada style.

00:23:59.820 So like, you know, Trudeau is going to lose.

00:24:01.720 They're going to bring in,

00:24:03.180 I mean, maybe even Christian Freeland or something,

00:24:05.040 but like somebody switched it up.

00:24:06.860 It's like just classic America 2.0.

00:24:10.280 I love that you said that America 2.0.

00:24:12.260 I've been theorizing for a while that these aren't just issues we're facing in the United

00:24:16.580 States when it comes to the culture war that we've been talking about for so long and certainly

00:24:20.240 politically. And you're watching a really similar movement, albeit a few months or a few years later,

00:24:27.100 start to take place in Canada and the UK and across Europe and Australia and New Zealand.

00:24:31.800 We're kind of watching like a reckoning of Western civilization happen right now when it comes to

00:24:37.320 who we are and what our identity is and what we want to do moving forward for the future.

00:24:42.260 i have no idea what that's going to look like and there's a lot more political hurdles and stuff

00:24:46.020 like parliamentary systems than we have it's way harder to change political leadership but i think

00:24:50.900 people everywhere are just done they're done with wokeism they're done with child gender transition

00:24:56.820 they're done with mass migration they're done with the silencing of free speech and i can't wait to

00:25:01.460 see what that turns into it's kind of an exciting time oh it's super exciting it's super exciting to

00:25:06.660 to be here like in america great time being here i think 2025 is going to be interesting although

00:25:12.820 it started off a little it's been a little rocky everyone's like yeah you know everything's well

00:25:18.160 maybe not everyone but everything's going to be great and then it's just like fire and brimstone

00:25:22.360 at the beginning literally 25 yeah so we'll see but i think like i know from growing up in canada

00:25:28.240 i could always look at style in the u.s and be like that'll be popular in like a year here and

00:25:33.900 it did and then you could see people would start wearing kind of the same clothes about a year

00:25:37.380 later and you you see that in other cultures too if you go to like uh eastern europe or something

00:25:42.860 the style will be like a number of years behind um america's usually first there's there might be

00:25:50.960 a place in front of america i'm not aware of it but i know for canada it's like slightly behind

00:25:54.780 so when woke is and when they were like what's what's happening with blm like what's going on

00:25:59.340 with this it was not as far gone in canada but i mean they've tried to catch up as best they can

00:26:07.040 so they're doing a bang up job but at least trudeau maybe is resigning now so we'll see what

00:26:13.240 happens gonna be a crazy few months for all of our friends up north and that's if they don't

00:26:17.620 become the 51st state as has become our favorite meme do you do you think he's joking yeah i do i

00:26:24.340 mean knowing trump i think ultimately at this point it's become a troll but then again this

00:26:28.600 morning, I saw a headline that Denmark had some officials reach out to the Trump administration

00:26:33.940 under the table and say, hey, we might be ready to talk about Greenland now, which would be crazy.

00:26:39.800 And obviously that all started as a joke. My favorite meme, by the way, was posted by the

00:26:43.940 president's son and it was just a map of Greenland. But instead of calling it Greenland, it was called

00:26:47.860 Mara Igloo, which I was so good. So you never know, I guess now what could be a joke and what's

00:26:57.160 actually legitimate policy at this point but i do think canada deserves an opportunity to stand on

00:27:02.460 its own two feet we'll see what that turns into and anything can happen i was 100 certain it was

00:27:08.080 a joke and then it's continued and i was like maybe it's maybe he's just like testing like maybe

00:27:13.860 he's thrown it out there and it's like it's gonna be a joke if it is a joke and then if canada does

00:27:19.680 nothing then it's not a joke i don't know the art of the deal politics politics in the western

00:27:25.400 world are insane recently u.s politics are just they're so entertaining i mean i'm glad it's gone

00:27:31.880 in the direction it's gone in but it's very entertaining okay so school you went to university

00:27:37.180 um were there i mean tp usa came and spoke at your university and did you kind of organize that yeah

00:27:43.180 so at the time i was starting what they call a chapter which is basically like a local club for

00:27:47.700 your college campus for turning point this was when it was a very young baby organization there

00:27:53.220 were like 500 college campuses that were remotely involved uh with tpusa and charlie's first ever

00:27:59.320 big speaking tour he showed up first to our university uh things were crazy at that point

00:28:05.140 in time what year this was 2018 february of 2018 things were wild so nobody was really doing this

00:28:11.840 campus speaking thing yet antifa was brand new and there had been a handful of crazy events where

00:28:18.020 people were lighting things on fire at like berkeley when ben shapiro showed up occasionally

00:28:22.560 but that was it so we just decided to test the waters with this idea and Charlie had become a

00:28:28.180 wonderful mentor to me at this point going to a few of the conferences and getting involved in

00:28:31.880 the organization and almost right away all hell broke loose in the state of Colorado where I

00:28:37.560 lived when he announced he was coming to our university to talk about free speech quite

00:28:42.920 literally that was going to be the topic of his speech why it still mattered on college campuses

00:28:46.680 and for about a month and a half before his visit every single day i had to meet with our campus

00:28:53.220 police department and our administration because they had gotten wind that basically all of the

00:28:58.580 west had conglomerated together with all of their antifa chapters to come and protest our event that

00:29:04.700 night yikes it ended up being truly truly scary at some points the national guard for the state

00:29:11.440 of colorado actually had to be deployed and they had snipers on top of our computer science building

00:29:16.660 and set up these huge concrete barricades so people couldn't drive a car through crowds of

00:29:21.980 protesters and meanwhile we had almost a thousand people show up inside to this event which was

00:29:27.160 amazing because that last year we had had bernie sanders come speak twice fully paid for by the

00:29:32.980 university by the way totally different experience when you're on the left uh and a few hundred

00:29:37.460 people went and there wasn't very much excitement. So there was clearly this hunger and excitement

00:29:41.940 for just a difference of opinion on our campus. But outside, there were a thousand more people

00:29:47.000 screaming and shoving each other and making international news, which was just crazy to

00:29:52.380 be dealing with as a 21-year-old college student at the time. But it taught me a lot about the

00:29:58.500 perceived nature of conservatives at that time when it was truly radically countercultural to

00:30:04.840 be outspoken about your support for Donald Trump or your support for freedom of speech or even just

00:30:09.820 the idea that not everyone has to agree on everything all the time. And there was this

00:30:14.980 really extreme generational hostility, I think we saw with millennials in particular, but that

00:30:21.100 spurred the curiosity of Gen Z. I'm the first year of Gen Z born in 1997. So those of us who came up

00:30:27.180 after that fact, by the time I graduated college, there were tons of kids walking around with MAGA

00:30:32.280 hats and wearing Donald Trump t-shirts and putting on events just like that one over and over and

00:30:37.280 over again. And I think you've seen that snowball down the hill to astronomical levels now by 2024.

00:30:43.940 Wow. Wild. The first time I saw a university protest was 2017 with dad at the University

00:30:50.400 of Toronto. It wasn't thousands of people, but it was a lot of people. There were loudspeakers

00:30:54.820 and it was just like, I thought it was kind of, it was scary, but I thought it was a bit entertaining.

00:30:59.260 yeah who are these absolute lunatics i was like and they're in universe like are they in the

00:31:05.700 university yeah oh my gosh uh it's always fun to poke the bear i always enjoyed that when i was a

00:31:12.020 student but you don't really see those anymore those protests i don't know if it's just that

00:31:16.360 conservatism is normal now which i think it is uh or the left has just given up and they're not as

00:31:22.900 loud anymore but those have kind of gone by the wayside in the last few years normalized completely

00:31:28.160 compared to how it was it's crazy i'm not used to it still yeah after like living through that

00:31:35.080 it's like it's okay now is it popular now it's like what is happening with young men i think it

00:31:41.060 is and obviously that that showed uh these last few weeks with the election well over half of

00:31:46.120 young men under the age of 35 voted for donald trump in record numbers which everyone said would

00:31:52.120 be statistically impossible and i think your dad and charlie kirk and brandon tatum and a lot of

00:31:57.300 those people we have to thank for emboldening young men over the past few years young women

00:32:02.060 are still catching up and i think a lot of people in the media especially point the finger at young

00:32:06.580 women in gen z and say they're a lost cause they're way too far gone the left has already

00:32:11.960 taken over this generation but even between the 2020 election and 2024 young women shifted 11

00:32:19.320 points to the republican party which is insane unheard of no one ever could have predicted that

00:32:25.780 especially when this whole election was the women versus the men and abortion versus everything else

00:32:30.960 yeah uh so i do think we're getting there but men have been under attack much longer than women in

00:32:36.600 america this is a new attack we're seeing on women so it's just going to take some time for female

00:32:40.700 voices to to bring the truth back yeah i think that's accurate do you think so i grew up toronto

00:32:47.560 went to university montreal both very very liberal places all my friends were liberal when i went to

00:32:52.580 university i didn't know i don't know i don't think there was a conservative there like we

00:32:56.660 didn't see them probably not at all do you do you know stats behind ages because we're seeing this

00:33:01.980 uprising in gen z that's more pro-conservatism i don't think as many people now maybe it's changed

00:33:09.000 now my age so i'm 33 now were conservatives like nobody was it's actually insane when i moved to

00:33:17.540 the u.s i was just like so that's a conservative like i didn't even know what they were or when

00:33:22.080 dad started getting called a conservative we were like what we don't know we don't really know what

00:33:26.680 that is i don't think that's what we are but like we're not sure what it is because we haven't seen

00:33:30.400 any yeah so is that have you seen stats around it was it worse for millennia millennials way worse

00:33:36.560 yeah and you know i don't have the exact stats on canada but i also think we've seen a seismic

00:33:42.680 shift in what our communities are defining as conservative now very you know traditionally

00:33:48.300 it was the Republican Party in the United States and tax cuts. And that was it. That basically

00:33:53.300 defined you as a conservative. But look at people like your dad, right? All of a sudden saying,

00:33:57.800 hey, actually, it's not normal to think that you were born in the wrong body. And we should unpack

00:34:01.900 that a little bit. And some of the mental implications of that, that makes you this

00:34:06.580 radical right wing extremist, which is just crazy. So I think partially it's a changing definition.

00:34:12.360 But I do think, and this was a huge thesis of my book, essentially, every young group of

00:34:18.280 people throughout history always has one thing in common and that is that they want to rebel

00:34:23.080 against the people who came before them and historically in modern america throughout the

00:34:27.540 70s and 80s and 90s you think of the hippie movement and rock and roll and covering your

00:34:31.560 body in tattoos and sticking it to the man and that was rebellious that was radical uh now to

00:34:38.080 be radically counter-cultural and to be a modern rebel it's to want to get married and to support

00:34:43.520 Donald Trump and to post conservative videos and repost Jordan Peterson on your Instagram account,

00:34:48.880 which I don't think really anybody could have seen coming in the last 50 years or so.

00:34:53.380 But it's cool and cutting edge and exciting to embrace traditionalism again. So you've watched

00:34:59.920 this huge pendulum swing happen between millennials who overwhelmingly supported socialism and

00:35:06.060 Marxism, overwhelmingly would say they supported the rewriting of the U.S. Constitution, wanted to

00:35:11.920 packed the courts, said there's no such thing as free speech, essentially, to now looking at these

00:35:16.820 videos of college kids celebrating by the thousands on their college campuses on election night this

00:35:22.400 last time around. You're watching frat bros miss class to hold up the American flag while getting

00:35:28.600 pummeled by protesters in the midst of all of this pro-terrorism stuff. 93% of Gen Zers say they want

00:35:35.780 to get married according to a recent study published by newsweek which is crazy because

00:35:41.620 every voice in society says don't get married that's the worst thing you could ever ever do

00:35:46.480 for yourself in your life and certainly wasn't a virtue for millennials or a value they upheld

00:35:51.520 62 percent of gen zers have already started their own business and most of these kids are still

00:35:57.060 teenagers so they're realizing they can be entrepreneurs and ceos at 16 instead of spending

00:36:03.020 $250,000 on a degree in gender theory basket weaving or something on their college campus.

00:36:10.760 And I think what you're really watching is a group of young people realize,

00:36:15.260 not literally in the sense of a revolution, but culturally in the sense of a revolution,

00:36:20.600 it's up to young people now because no one else is going to do this to take back our country and

00:36:26.060 to redefine the American dream when we've been leading the race to the bottom for the last

00:36:30.660 several generations, somebody has to fix it. And those older than us certainly aren't.

00:36:35.540 I love that. That's very true. That's very hopeful. Yeah. Are all your channels hopeful

00:36:41.660 like that? I like to think I'm an optimist. That was really nice. Sometimes I'm not. And you know,

00:36:46.980 I think a lot of people have very negative things to say about our generation based on a handful of

00:36:52.000 videos they see on TikTok that go viral on Twitter and that's about it. But I really think this last

00:36:58.640 election cycle has proven so many people wrong. And there's a lot more optimism and hope for young

00:37:03.980 adults than I've seen in a very, very long time, certainly throughout my lifetime in the U S right

00:37:08.680 now. Yeah. Well, that's way better. I love that. Okay. What do I have here to ask you? Oh, this

00:37:15.680 is fun. Okay. Let's get back to, let's do some like relationships, relationship stuff. And, uh,

00:37:21.820 that was great though. And I, I think I do, I totally see that swing happening with young

00:37:28.180 people that is not like i like i said i cannot imagine meeting not even in my school but meeting

00:37:34.480 someone who was a conservative when i was in high school it was like and a lot of it was counter

00:37:41.480 culture so what's the most rebellious thing we can do which was basically wokeism starting when

00:37:48.780 i was in high school um not that i was interested in that at all because if everyone has the same

00:37:55.340 views like it's not really rebellious at that point yeah um what about kids are people okay

00:38:01.300 yeah let's do that first do you know anything about people having kids younger like how old

00:38:05.660 are you i'm 27 so this will be my first kid um literally like all of my friends are getting

00:38:10.880 married and having kids right now that's which is anecdotal evidence obviously it doesn't speak to

00:38:15.760 mass data and polling across our entire country yeah yeah uh but i do think we're gonna see a

00:38:20.520 huge pendulum swing in that direction, namely because everybody is screaming at young women

00:38:26.320 in particular, do not get married and never, ever, ever have children. Right before the election,

00:38:31.400 the Los Angeles Times ran a headline where the headline actually said it is almost shameful to

00:38:38.020 want to have children. And they were making the argument for this from the climate change

00:38:42.300 perspective and overpopulation, which is the biggest hoax of all time. We are wildly underpopulated

00:38:48.080 actually in over 150 countries in the world we have a fertility rate less than 2.1 so we actually

00:38:54.700 can't reproduce to fill our own population back up again um but you've seen this narrative

00:39:00.120 everywhere from podcasts from influencers from celebrities from the entertainment industry i mean

00:39:04.280 it's just everywhere and i think ultimately you're looking at this whole generation of people who

00:39:09.960 have been on the dating apps for years and years and years they've been engaging in casual hookup

00:39:14.580 culture for years and years and years they're reading cosmopolitan magazine headlines that tell

00:39:18.860 them it's super fun to cheat on your husband and that's going to bring the spark back into your

00:39:22.980 marriage real headlines actually it'll bring a spark back in something yeah kind of spark you 0.97

00:39:28.360 want we're miserable and depressed and fat on birth control and have no sex drive and that's

00:39:35.640 becoming incredibly normal and we're lonely i mean literally every mental health problem that

00:39:41.020 our generation is facing is ultimately based in extreme isolation and loneliness, contributing to

00:39:46.040 this anxiety and depression. Interestingly, the CDC said in 2021, one in three teenage girls in

00:39:53.780 America seriously contemplated taking her own life, which was shocking. Well over 33% of teenage

00:40:00.700 girls. And that bucked the trend from the last several decades where most of the crises, particularly

00:40:05.800 with mental health you've been seeing with young women were group think mentality it was cluster

00:40:11.000 suicides and cluster eating disorders and whole groups of friends would be doing these things

00:40:16.020 and now it's all based in a profound isolation from one another and loneliness where an individual

00:40:21.380 says the world would be better without me so i think we're kind of returning to our roots especially

00:40:26.280 as women and we're very relational intimate creatures we're very empathetic to one another

00:40:31.460 So we naturally seek out relationships with one another.

00:40:34.820 And we're asking, well, what's missing?

00:40:37.040 Largely, what's missing is marriage and parenthood.

00:40:40.260 And we've seen the lowest marriage rate in American history these past few years in the

00:40:45.560 United States since we began recording those rates in the 1860s.

00:40:49.540 And we are facing a 100-year fertility low in the United States in 2024 going into 2025.

00:40:56.260 Not because people can't have kids, although that's certainly an alarming problem that

00:41:00.160 we need to face, but because people just are choosing not to have them. And then we look

00:41:04.380 around and say, well, if that's the case and we're all miserable, maybe we're missing something when

00:41:08.960 it comes to traditional values and marriage and family again. Yeah. Wow. That's nice though.

00:41:16.320 I know when I had my daughter, I was 20, was it 24 or 25? I was anyway, late 24, early 25,

00:41:25.000 something like that and the people in my neighborhood who had kids were 35 like there

00:41:30.260 was nobody in Toronto that had kids that was under 35 it was like if you're not in your late 30s then

00:41:35.280 what did you what are you doing where's your career what have you done with your life yeah

00:41:39.900 like I got asked the number of times I got asked with a newborn baby or super pregnant what is it

00:41:46.020 you do like and it was what like what is it you do like with disgust from I think to put it bluntly

00:41:54.540 childless older women who are angry it was like what is it you do it's like well i'm you know

00:42:01.320 about to give birth right now so that's what i'm doing right now yeah but it was pretty brutal so

00:42:10.020 hearing and then i traveled to other countries and usually these were not first world countries

00:42:15.820 and the number of people who are in their mid-20s who had kids and looked happy and had there was

00:42:22.620 like more of a community element. There were restaurants. I couldn't believe this. There

00:42:26.300 were restaurants you could go to. And most of the restaurants would have someone there to watch

00:42:30.540 kids or a little daycare room. And I was like, so there were people hanging out with their kind of

00:42:37.360 little kids running around with their friends. And it was totally normal. And I was like,

00:42:41.600 wow, we're so isolated. It's so isolating. Um, this was like seven years ago to have a kid.

00:42:48.620 like it just destroys women they're at home alone with a baby like no wonder everyone's scared about

00:42:55.560 it but if they weren't isolated if it wasn't like this one-off person having a kid away from all

00:43:00.400 their extended family with their friends and yeah then it'd be like it'd be so much better so it's 0.98

00:43:06.540 really nice to hear that there's a swing back plus it makes sense like otherwise women don't have 0.61

00:43:11.940 kids and that's well that's exactly what we saw with millennials actually i read something the

00:43:16.820 other day that 70% of millennials in a recent survey said they would rather have pets than kids

00:43:22.360 because it's easier. It doesn't ruin their lifestyle. It doesn't ruin their corporate

00:43:26.260 aspirations. That's what we were taught. And that was easier. Yeah. We were taught that from

00:43:30.640 celebrities too. And I think now you're seeing a little bit more of the like Hollywood celebrity

00:43:35.440 having children. Yep. A huge baby boom this last year. Nobody had kids when I was a teenager.

00:43:41.940 And I'm talking about like 35 year olds. Now they are. Like you see some people who are like,

00:43:46.440 I was like oh they're having a baby how old are they 42 I was like ah okay so we just like skipped

00:43:51.820 the millennials pretty much yeah and honestly I always found that so demeaning especially now 0.99

00:43:57.600 that I'm pregnant I'm working full-time and I'm traveling a lot still for my job and everything 1.00

00:44:01.140 yeah it hasn't been easy and there are some days that it's really really hard but I always found

00:44:05.920 it so ironically anti-feminist oh yeah this message that we're telling women that you will

00:44:11.920 your whole career will die you'll never get a promotion you'll never have friends you'll never

00:44:16.080 go on a vacation ever again. If you have children to the point that a lot of these large fortune

00:44:20.620 500 companies would literally rather pay out of pocket for you to go to another state to get an 0.65

00:44:25.620 abortion than to give you better maternity leave. For example, always blew my mind. I genuinely

00:44:30.720 could never wrap my head around something like that because literally you're just telling women

00:44:34.880 you're not good enough. You're not capable of this. Your life is over the minute you decide

00:44:39.140 to bring more love and more purpose and worth to your identity. You're just a worker bee. You're a

00:44:44.440 salary to us and make no mistake they would replace you tomorrow if something happened or

00:44:48.920 you died or whatever you're literally just a number to them but we call that empowerment

00:44:53.260 and feminism that's always baffled me that's so funny i hadn't thought about that specifically

00:44:59.160 but definitely growing up what i learned was now luckily i had my dad as a dad so he i had some

00:45:05.720 mixed messages there because it was like it was like marriage is super important you should have

00:45:10.840 kids young but also you need a phd and i remember being 17 being like how many years is that's a lot

00:45:16.960 to to get a phd and then but i'm supposed to have a baby young and then do i when how does this work

00:45:22.600 anyway it worked out i don't have a phd but it worked out anyway um so that so at least i had

00:45:27.940 my dad being like no kids are good kids are good kids are good but and and then my friends that

00:45:32.820 would come over he'd tell them that too now that he was sitting everyone down being like have

00:45:36.620 children but yeah what was that like like bringing friends home to your dad and him talking about

00:45:41.640 that stuff i think so it depended on the friend if it was like i went to a public school some of

00:45:48.600 my friends were in trouble so if it was a troubled friend then it was a stern talking to it was really

00:45:53.600 only close friends that got the like what are you doing with your life what's your plan like when

00:45:59.480 are you going to get married this kind of conversation so that didn't happen to very

00:46:03.080 many people around it definitely happened to my best friend because she was around all the time

00:46:06.900 and we like got into hordes of trouble and things so he'd sit us down all the time be like what are

00:46:12.420 you doing with your life what's your plan you know this woke stuff's bad she was like my best friend

00:46:18.940 was at concordia and she was in sociology but it was sociology with a minor in gender studies

00:46:25.260 something like that i'm telling you i was in the trenches yeah i was like i was in psychology but

00:46:30.440 i would everyone i knew was in gender studies and i just remember being so we didn't get along very 0.98

00:46:38.100 well to be blunt because i was just like this is so infuriatingly stupid like you can't just use 0.99

00:46:45.540 all these manipulative sentences to describe an idea to me without the underlying being stupid 0.99

00:46:52.560 like you can't just cover it in word salad and be like it's smart that's not what makes something 0.93

00:46:56.660 smart no yeah so anyway i left that university because i was just like if i hear more of this

00:47:02.000 i'm gonna hit somebody like i gotta get out of here but she survived that she failed a class i

00:47:08.700 hope she's okay with me talking about this i won't name her though but she failed a class called men

00:47:13.120 and masculinity oh no because the professor wanted her to write an essay that was basically like why

00:47:19.660 men and masculinity is bad and she didn't want to write it because she has a good relationship with

00:47:25.240 their dad and things and like was an anti-man so she wrote an argument to it which is smart

00:47:31.480 academia right yeah yeah they failed her so she went to the person above the professor and said

00:47:37.360 hey i wrote this like i'm handing it in what's going on but they failed they failed her anyway

00:47:43.900 that was the only class that she failed was men and masculinity for writing an an essay that was

00:47:50.180 an anti-man that's so fascinating yeah i like left montreal after that i was like this is so

00:47:56.240 i can't believe they're charging me money for this like how dare they charge me money for this

00:48:01.720 and nobody around me there were there maybe one or two people that were like yeah you know

00:48:07.820 michaela argue on facebook with these people but they're they're like there wasn't a group

00:48:13.240 there weren't conservatives it was just entrenched it was like i guess i'll go to the sciences

00:48:18.240 because it's not as bad there yeah yeah it wasn't at the time anyway you know I love that story

00:48:23.900 because I feel like there are probably students on every college campus in the west that could

00:48:28.280 tell you exactly the same story about that paper and people wonder why young men gave the middle

00:48:33.700 finger to the left and said yeah we're not subscribing to this anymore everybody's shocked

00:48:38.260 and amazed by that and I'm thinking you've spent the last decade trying to program like a robot

00:48:43.700 every single person under the age of 45 to think men evil eat all men and now you're surprised that

00:48:50.520 the next group of young men is saying we don't want to be a part of that yeah it's crazy i know

00:48:56.940 it's a direct response also do people not know that when politics get extreme or when ideologies

00:49:05.560 get extreme it swings to the other side don't people learn this in history i'm always shocked

00:49:12.600 when they're like oh no it's gonna keep going that way and it's like has it ever stayed now

00:49:17.780 sometimes it'll get stuck on one side for longer which i was you know obviously extremely worried

00:49:22.880 about it actually it turned around i'm still shocked that trump won i knew i was like he's

00:49:29.240 gonna win like people i think he's gonna win but i didn't know he was gonna win i was a little bit

00:49:33.560 concerned yeah i was like i don't know there's still a lot of people i'm not seeing in like

00:49:37.500 new york and california that don't think the way i think at all and so we'll see but if you think

00:49:43.400 about it it was like you saw kind of whispers of it at least i did in canada in like 2012 2013

00:49:49.400 then i had to switch 2014 2015 was worse and then dad kind of got booted from the university

00:49:56.600 basically 2016 2017 that period of time till now 2024 a lot of bad things have happened in in the

00:50:06.860 meantime tons tons but it didn't take too long i thought it was going to take longer than that i

00:50:13.580 did too actually and i was incredibly worried about what the next round of four years or eight

00:50:19.260 years or whatever oh my gosh yeah i honestly wondered if we would have the chance to fight

00:50:23.700 back at all especially if our legal system changed so substantially definitely i mean kamala harris

00:50:28.600 was actually threatening to prosecute you and throw you in prison if you criticize the government

00:50:33.400 on social media and we tried to be outspoken about this nobody really paid any attention to

00:50:39.400 that because it didn't get any media coverage obviously it was awful i mean truly insane

00:50:44.760 and so i was shaking in my boots a little bit i was hopeful president trump would win again and i

00:50:49.440 was seeing this movement happen particularly with young people but i didn't want to let myself

00:50:53.680 believe it until election night which was a fantastic night it was fantastic um but i think

00:50:59.680 the work really has just begun and i think that's the message people need to be reminded of for this

00:51:04.520 and a victory for the white house a victory for congress passing great legislation and getting

00:51:09.620 good nominations in for the cabinet that's fantastic those are all wonderful things

00:51:13.560 that we should be excited about and celebrating but we are fighting a much larger cultural war

00:51:19.940 i think right now when it comes to the soul of western civilization and a lot of that is going

00:51:24.320 to turn into religious spiritual warfare in the next several years a lot of that has to return to

00:51:29.520 our roots of the family and how we educate the next generation of children that's not going to

00:51:33.620 be spearheaded by the government and by this presidential administration it has to be ordinary

00:51:37.920 people the food that we're eating right changing the responsibility we have for our own personal

00:51:42.660 health all of these things have to start at home and that's the message i really hope people take

00:51:46.840 away from this last election great yeah i agree there's only so much the government can do yeah

00:51:51.840 and if you think about it like trump's getting in there everybody who works in the white house is

00:51:56.480 is still like the people who don't like him can easily just slow things down for for like yeah

00:52:01.580 he'll be out in four years let's just slow things down like it's very promising the i think the

00:52:07.340 administration is very promising but you're still dealing with a lot of red tape and i know they're

00:52:11.020 trying to cut through it with like doge and all and these things but it's still the government

00:52:15.440 and it is a lot faster to just start at home yeah speaking of at home what are you gonna do

00:52:22.000 unless things rapidly turn around school wise are you gonna homeschool do you think yep my husband

00:52:27.880 and i have talked about this repeatedly even before we knew we were pregnant um after our

00:52:32.040 wedding that we were very passionate about homeschooling our children and a lot of that

00:52:35.960 comes from horror stories i'm hearing from my friends with kids slightly older than our baby

00:52:40.980 will be uh not just about public schools but about private schools and even religious schools in

00:52:45.480 america too you would be shocked how deep the rot has gotten in the american education system i'm

00:52:51.300 watching families with young children fight about gender ideology and furries and litter boxes in

00:52:55.840 their classroom no no no like christian schools even which is crazy i have no time for that um

00:53:02.400 also you know our lifestyle me being a full-time content creator and having to travel quite a bit

00:53:06.600 for podcast interviews and stuff like that i think it'll be really cool to incorporate a more hands-on

00:53:11.500 experiential learning environment for our kids and we can take off and go somewhere for a week

00:53:16.860 and learn about something on the ground versus in a textbook and i think that'll be really important

00:53:20.640 for us moving forward but homeschool is definitely the plan for sure and is at its highest level of

00:53:26.180 popularity ever in america right now so the resources that exist out there are endless truly

00:53:31.920 anybody can homeschool their children now my dad and i were talking about this a few months ago when

00:53:36.340 he was driving me to something in colorado he said you know when you guys were little and young

00:53:41.260 we thought about maybe homeschooling we knew one family who homeschooled and that was it and it was

00:53:46.080 very weird at the time when you guys were little, but we kind of bought into this lie that everybody 1.00

00:53:51.460 told us as parents, you are too stupid to educate your kids. You don't know what you're doing. 1.00

00:53:56.380 You're going to mess them up. Even though you guys are educated attorneys, you're very smart

00:54:00.320 people. You're very educated, nice, wonderful, well-intentioned parents. You're going to mess

00:54:05.440 your children up because you're not certified to be a teacher. You're not prepared to be a teacher.

00:54:09.980 what a powerful lie that has led to mass indoctrination of our kids that parents

00:54:16.100 shouldn't be involved in the education of their children yeah completely I had the conversation

00:54:21.820 with my parents because they used to pull me out sometimes and I just figured out what it was I

00:54:26.980 actually asked so I didn't figure it out but I was like why were we missing school sometimes it'd

00:54:32.120 just be like a week we'd get like we're gonna homeschool this week like fantastic please don't

00:54:36.940 put me back in that like um and it was the it was either the anti-bullying week which was

00:54:45.440 when you were taught that you should feel sorry for bullies so i think we got pulled out during

00:54:51.640 that we got pulled out during like exam exams from the government he was like you don't need

00:54:57.620 to do those good for your parents and pulled out during anything that was lgbt at the time there

00:55:05.400 was just like pull out for that week so i didn't know what i was even getting pulled out for because

00:55:09.860 i was young um but that's funny but i think i was like why didn't my parents homeschool my dad was

00:55:16.280 working all the time so he's too busy but i was like why didn't my mom homeschool because i don't

00:55:20.460 think they fell into the trap of thinking parent or teachers were more equipped because that is not

00:55:27.220 how they talked about it at home like i remember i had one teacher that said library in february

00:55:32.700 when i was in grade four and i was just like i don't know what was with me in grade four i was

00:55:37.920 like if i hear library again i'm gonna i'm gonna lose it um so i don't think that was it i think

00:55:44.840 it was like maybe a time thing or just or maybe they were like just read whatever you want to

00:55:49.620 read you're gonna be fine plus the ideology wasn't as entrenched in the school system so it's not

00:55:55.540 like it was a place to go that wasn't at home where you kind of learned some things that probably

00:56:01.760 weren't that useful, but you weren't being actively damaged. Right. And that's the difference

00:56:06.060 now between when we were little and this group of children. It is just crazy. I also think most

00:56:12.360 people thought you would be socially ill-adjusted if you were homeschooled growing up, which is so

00:56:18.740 ironic because now I think if you are homeschooled, you're much more prepared to equip yourself for

00:56:23.800 the real world. You're watching homeschool families put their kids in activities and sports

00:56:28.360 doing internships and hands-on opportunities at work with mom and dad and i think those kids are

00:56:33.520 so much more well adjusted for reality versus having to sit chained to their desk from eight

00:56:38.660 to three every single day sometimes still with masks on which is mind-blowing to me i think the

00:56:45.080 part that concerns me too other than the ideology that's being taught because i think that'll slowly

00:56:49.660 switch it's not going to switch anytime soon but eventually they'll have they'll have to get rid

00:56:53.840 of it. It's so ridiculous. I'm hoping it'll take, it'll take a while. But also if you put your kid 0.95

00:57:00.220 in a school, say a private school, a public school could be a private school maybe, but I think public

00:57:05.060 schools have it worse. And all it is, is just a group of people from where you are. It's like 0.96

00:57:10.540 everyone from where you are, you meet some sketchy people that you would never associate with as an

00:57:17.680 adult. So I remember going to school and just, I saw crazy things like an art school in downtown

00:57:25.420 Toronto, crazy things. It was like, that was 100% not appropriate at all in any way. And at the time

00:57:34.080 I remember being like, that's crazy, but at least I'm aware it exists. So it's kind of like gets

00:57:39.540 rid of some maybe naivete that you can pick up yeah but then again maybe it's better to tell

00:57:48.060 people that that exists so that they're not naive but you don't have to like put your kid in the

00:57:54.580 midst of it like that actually gets dangerous yeah you know a lot of people are talking about

00:57:58.800 this related to social media and screen time with teenagers and how do they navigate that

00:58:04.100 my friends who have kids that are like late tweens early teens they're trying to figure out

00:58:08.660 what to do about their kids and wanting an Instagram and wanting a TikTok and texting

00:58:12.360 their friends. And I tend to err on the side of exposure, which is a bit controversial in the

00:58:19.060 social media conservative space, especially. But your kids are going to be exposed to this at some

00:58:24.480 point or another, one way or another, by the time they move out when they're 18 or from their

00:58:28.460 friends, when they're hanging out with their friends as teenagers. I think parents often forget

00:58:32.920 their guiding responsibility and shaping the values of their children because they think they

00:58:37.940 can just put this off longer and longer and longer. And it's eventually something they'll

00:58:41.820 talk about with their kids. And that's how we saw an entire generation of 18 year olds be dropped

00:58:46.140 off for college, knowing nothing about politics and religion, knowing nothing about their personal

00:58:50.260 values and becoming so wildly indoctrinated by their men and masculinity professor telling you 0.72

00:58:56.580 all men are evil and all of the other crazy lies in the university system. I think that really

00:59:01.740 destroyed millennials because parents forgot, Hey, I'm actually responsible for shaping the mind

00:59:07.700 and the values and the deep-seated opinions of my child.

00:59:12.140 I need to take on an active role in that.

00:59:14.460 So whether it's social media or texting or TV or whatever,

00:59:18.380 a responsible amount of exposure to this stuff,

00:59:21.060 explaining to your child, this is not what we believe in,

00:59:23.600 this is not what we do, but this stuff is out there

00:59:26.020 to at least have some awareness of what's out there in the world,

00:59:29.340 especially with all of the gender confusion confronting kids these days,

00:59:32.580 I think is a huge responsibility.

00:59:34.840 And I wish more parents took on an active role in that.

00:59:37.280 I think we're seeing a more active role being taken on and a pendulum shift there, but that's

00:59:42.060 just going to determine the next generation's set of values for sure. I actually do agree with that.

00:59:46.920 So there's a difference. There's a difference between letting your kid roam social media or

00:59:51.660 totally by themselves. And just, just to see what's out there, what the algorithm like pushes

00:59:58.640 at them that that's different, but completely taking it away. I agree. It was like, what's

01:00:03.940 going to happen this actually happened um i know people who were working for google or working for

01:00:09.400 some of these big tech companies and none of their kids were allowed to use ipads or anything it was

01:00:14.660 this big thing it was like they're like yeah no no they need the outdoors they need fresh air

01:00:19.360 they're in these schools they're like waldorf or something like that they learn how to cook it was

01:00:23.300 very like like old school in a good way but it was like no exposure i was like are your kids

01:00:30.440 going to know how to type like you kind of know how to need need to know how to use a computer

01:00:35.180 nowadays like and if you don't know the benefits and the cons of social media and these platforms

01:00:42.360 you're going to be behind yeah like it's true it's i definitely agree it's better to show

01:00:47.160 what people do and also how you can get conned on there and like hey this is super edited this

01:00:53.520 isn't real yep beware of this because it's going to be everywhere and it's not real and everyone

01:00:57.960 knows it's not real you know that kind of thing it's way better than no just avoid computers and

01:01:03.220 then welcome to university and the internet at the same time you know i think kids are a lot

01:01:09.080 smarter than adults give them credit for especially teenagers get people forget everybody assumes 0.99

01:01:14.780 teenagers are idiots and everything that they believe is wrong and they're going to be the 0.97

01:01:18.660 most gullible people that fall for anything and that can be true obviously i don't want to 1.00

01:01:22.920 negate the possibility of that being a reality but teenagers you know saved the world multiple

01:01:28.600 times over throughout human history we forget that our founding fathers were not these ancient 0.65

01:01:34.360 shriveled up old white decrepit men that had these horrible intentions for the future of society and 0.83

01:01:41.480 were so unbelievably narcissistic ironically that is our government right now so i think we maybe 0.63

01:01:46.760 need to look in the mirror when we criticize our past but our founding fathers were 18 19 20 years

01:01:52.280 old. These were young, energetic, punk rock individuals sticking it to the man, so to speak,

01:01:58.680 the most powerful entity on the face of the planet, who were so forward thinking and radical

01:02:04.340 and educated in ways that I think people forget about now. We're watching a revolution happen now,

01:02:10.700 not with arms, but with ideas. And you're watching young people spearhead that direction largely

01:02:16.360 because of social media and the conversations people like your dad and Charlie Kirk and

01:02:20.820 all of these incredible people have been having with the youth for the last five to ten years

01:02:25.860 we wouldn't be having this conversation about an optimistic trajectory of america moving forward

01:02:30.860 if it weren't for instagram and tiktok and youtube and i think sometimes this over correction we're

01:02:36.020 seeing from the conservative movement to just cut out everything related to the digital world

01:02:41.300 for the next generation of kids would be a mistake because we still have work to do every single day

01:02:46.900 to make sure these ideas get handed down to the next generation and the next generation

01:02:50.620 that doesn't happen with the federalist papers and standing on an apple crate on the sidewalk

01:02:55.200 anymore that happens on instagram and tiktok yeah oh i completely agree it's better to learn how to

01:03:00.700 use the tools and get the benefits from them yeah there's definitely benefits from them i mean i

01:03:04.620 wouldn't have part of the jobs like the podcast or whatever without it and luckily i think my age

01:03:12.100 i think i was actually in a pretty good time frame because i didn't get a phone i was a little bit

01:03:16.940 late to having a phone because my parents wouldn't buy me one. So I had to earn one. So that took a

01:03:21.960 little bit longer, but I think I was like 15. I wasn't really on Facebook till I was like 16 or

01:03:27.960 17. And so it didn't hit like me as a 14 year old when I think it would have been really hard. Like

01:03:33.920 I had messenger and that was chaotic enough as a 14 year old without having an Instagram account.

01:03:39.480 So I think like age wise, it was pretty good. Like wasn't left behind from social media, but it

01:03:44.920 wasn't just brainwashing at a young age. Like I spent most of my childhood outside playing on the

01:03:50.820 street. So like just dodged it. So if you can get a bit of both, but if people are having kids

01:03:55.700 younger too, then that should revive itself because kids, like if they have the option to

01:04:01.420 play with other kids now, if they can play with other kids in an iPad, I might be, I might be

01:04:07.360 avoiding that in our household. You can take that away. But I think people like kids like playing

01:04:13.180 with each other so if you can just set that up because people are having more kids that should

01:04:16.320 maybe hopefully take care of itself and parents play with your kids like take on an active role

01:04:20.840 with them every time we go out to dinner now me and my husband take note of families with little

01:04:25.500 kids because we're just curious what people are doing nine times out of ten at least kids are

01:04:31.020 holding mom's phone this close to their face or they're all on the individual ipads watching

01:04:36.160 something else at a restaurant not communicating with their siblings let alone their parents or

01:04:40.400 anybody else who might be at this dinner and I think that's really really damaging to a child's

01:04:45.320 mind kids again are a lot smarter than you give them credit for my parents had this rule when we

01:04:50.200 were little no kids table at family gatherings or big extended family holidays we were expected to

01:04:55.940 sit with the adults yeah and talk to the adults about what was going on in the world and who's

01:04:59.860 running for president and what's going on in the news and sometimes that was really boring and you

01:05:04.000 roll your eyes as a kid and think oh I do not want to talk about this but in retrospect I'm so

01:05:09.420 grateful that my parents gave us an opportunity and the benefit of the doubt that we could hold

01:05:14.120 our own in a conversation with other people who were far older than us. And I wonder sometimes

01:05:19.340 what it would be like if every kid had exposure to that earlier and earlier and could make up

01:05:24.000 their mind and challenge their own opinions and challenge the status quo so much younger in life.

01:05:29.880 We had my experience for, with going out for dinners with my parents, which we did

01:05:33.840 sometimes was if we were going to be we got in like huge amounts of trouble if we were bad even

01:05:39.740 a little bit like my dad was pretty strict so there was this one time and many times actually

01:05:46.960 but it was mostly my brother that was the problem pause or at dinner but it'd be like you're gonna

01:05:52.200 get be bad you can stand outside oh so that and this is like a pretty little kid and we're like

01:05:57.000 go stand outside you can come in when you're better and so he'd be like standing outside

01:06:00.700 and dad would go out and talk to him and things but there wasn't like you we weren't allowed to

01:06:05.200 be bad so there wasn't the option to be bad so we did go out and it was fine um i have no problem

01:06:11.260 with my seven-year-old too i think because i've gone out with her so many times i was like coloring

01:06:15.900 pad there you go so you can only come if you're not going to be annoying otherwise we'll get a

01:06:21.900 babysitter so you can't be annoying and that's like now she's old enough that that worked but

01:06:27.280 when she was little it really wasn't a problem if there were like some just

01:06:30.140 coloring pads around she was easy rising she was easy though this this new kid i have george this

01:06:36.680 one-year-old i'm like i don't it's gonna be tricky taking him to a restaurant he's like whipping

01:06:40.820 forks i was like he's a boy you're too little dude it was like no don't throw a fork in my eye

01:06:48.860 yeah oh i love that so much but i am really encouraged to see parents get more excited

01:06:54.700 about parenting again, especially wanting to have kids, wanting to have more kids, wanting to get

01:06:59.420 married. You're kind of watching this revival of the family. And I think a lot of that runs in

01:07:03.940 tandem with the religious revival that we're seeing in America today, because that goes part

01:07:09.300 and parcel with the design for humanity. You know, God did not design us to live in isolation

01:07:14.040 and to have our careers be the only part of our identity. We were designed for intimate

01:07:18.900 relationships with one another forever and to build families. And I think people have been

01:07:23.700 missing that for so, so long. But as we're going back to church on Sunday morning, it makes us

01:07:28.520 think about and wonder about what our purpose is and what our vocation is for families too.

01:07:33.080 Yeah, definitely. I think it also helps with the sacrificial element of having kids,

01:07:37.740 because especially as a woman, I mean, I can't speak from the man's perspective,

01:07:42.120 but there is a sacrifice that goes into pregnancy and like the toll it takes and the emotions that

01:07:47.020 you have to deal with, especially if you're not a particularly emotional woman. And then you're

01:07:50.460 just like oh do some people feel like this all the time like oh my gosh there's like it's way

01:07:57.560 easier for me now than it was before because otherwise I mean I still have like there's still

01:08:05.860 I'm still pregnant so there's still some things to deal with but having faith is so important to that

01:08:14.040 that there's something bigger than you that it's not all about you in the moment which is huge

01:08:20.380 i like i you you've been wording it way better than me because i'm like a pregnancy fog but um

01:08:26.720 it does it's really helpful for people i hopefully it keeps spreading and people understand

01:08:32.580 what it can do to like relieve some of the burden that yeah that just life puts on you from i don't

01:08:39.560 know how hard it is right because it's hard i think there's a tendency sometimes to gloss over

01:08:44.820 the hard part especially on social media and everything you post be amazing amazing amazing

01:08:49.380 this whole thing has been fantastic no pregnancy is really hard every day you look in the mirror

01:08:53.880 and your body looks different than yesterday and you don't recognize what you look like and that

01:08:58.120 can either be really cool and beautiful and you marvel at that or some days you're thinking

01:09:01.960 i'm enormous i'm so big i can't even begin to wrap my head around this the mood swings are crazy

01:09:08.740 you lie awake at night in the middle of the night because you can't sleep and your kid's kicking you

01:09:12.640 and you're thinking about when they get here and are you even going to be prepared are you going

01:09:16.420 to mess this kid up. Men could never do this. I stand by this every day. I look at my husband and

01:09:22.340 say, you should just be very thankful that I'm doing this because there's just such an overwhelming

01:09:28.200 emotional intimacy aspect of this from an empathetic woman's perspective that is so unique

01:09:34.520 to womanhood. And I've spent a lot of time this pregnancy thinking about Mary actually. Um, and,

01:09:41.260 what it was like for her to carry God into the world because she is the perfect archetype of

01:09:47.840 self-sacrifice quite literally I mean giving every single part of herself for service to God and I'm

01:09:54.040 sure she was laying awake in the middle of the night many nights you know right after they gave

01:09:58.100 birth this girl was moving to Egypt she had very difficult struggles in her path and yet she just

01:10:04.680 remained so beautifully humble about the whole thing that she was part of a much larger design

01:10:10.360 for God's plan for humanity. And I think we all can find solace and comfort in that because

01:10:15.260 no matter what you see on social media, no matter what you've heard about the most wonderful

01:10:18.760 pregnancies throughout history and the most amazing, badass, incredible women, it's hard.

01:10:23.580 It's really hard for all of us, but you find such beauty in that self-sacrifice to give back to

01:10:29.500 other people, be it your child or your family or society at large, the world would not be what it

01:10:34.820 is without moms, amazing moms. You also don't look back as a woman. You don't look back on

01:10:39.860 pregnancy and remember like yeah that how how hard it is because it is hard but you don't remember

01:10:46.000 that you just know like assuming everything goes well that you have a kid like it doesn't matter

01:10:51.540 in the end that there's some suffering involved no in fact moms would tell you they'd do it a

01:10:56.620 million times over over and over and over again which is so beautiful yeah i love that well

01:11:02.920 isabel where can people find you online if they want to find you you can follow me across all

01:11:07.060 social media platforms at The Isabel Brown and look up The Isabel Brown Show on YouTube, Rumble,

01:11:12.580 or anywhere else you watch videos. Well, that was fun. Thank you very much for coming on and good

01:11:17.080 luck with everything. Thank you. I can't wait for our daughters to meet sometime very soon,

01:11:21.380 which is a blast and best of luck with your family. Congratulations on everything. And

01:11:25.700 thank you for having me today. Thank you.

The Mikhaila Peterson Podcast - February 07, 2025

Isabel Brown on Pregnancy, Gen Z, Faith, and Conservatism ｜ EP 223

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