The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 15, 2026


Carney BLEW IT For Canada - CBC Ramps Up Trump Fear Mongering Again!

Hosted by
Mentioned
Liberals Blow Themselves Up on US Trade And Steel - Carney's Approval Drops!

Episode Stats


Length

22 minutes

Words per minute

179.84

Word count

4,133

Sentence count

92

Harmful content

Toxicity

8

sentences flagged

Hate speech

1

sentences flagged


Transcript

Transcript generated with Whisper (turbo).
Toxicity classifications generated with s-nlp/roberta_toxicity_classifier .
Hate speech classifications generated with facebook/roberta-hate-speech-dynabench-r4-target .
Hosts, guests, and mentioned names generated with spaCy (en_core_web_sm), reconciled against Wikidata.
00:00:00.000 it's time to be scared of donald trump again everyone do not think of the 110 000 jobs that
00:00:07.660 the carney liberals just lost over the past couple of months while trump's american economy added
00:00:13.080 975 000 jobs because we are too busy being scared of trump or at the very least that's what the cbc
00:00:21.460 wants us to do because if we are scared of trump and we focus on american politics before our own
00:00:28.460 Canadian domestic politics, then you won't turn on Mark Carney. We're going to be going through
00:00:34.340 a CBC segment today that I just find so pathetic, because it's been done 10,000 times before.
00:00:41.540 Trump makes a joke about Canada, and then the CBC and other Canadian legacy media that just
00:00:47.080 so happens to get a lot of money from the Liberal government goes into full panic mode to make sure
00:00:53.920 its audience focuses squarely on trump's rhetoric and not the actual domestic performance of the
00:01:00.320 canadian economy they want you to blame everything that happens in canada on donald trump does that
00:01:07.120 mean trump has no culpability at all yes he of course does have responsibility because he started
00:01:13.600 the trade conflict but carney and the liberals have dealt with it poorly and their domestic
00:01:19.440 economic policies were already trash before this just today they have announced another 100 million
00:01:26.400 dollar subsidy to offshore wind energy in nova scotia yes let's keep subsidizing inefficient
00:01:33.520 energy at a time when every dollar counts and people can't afford their own groceries and food
00:01:40.000 bank usage is at an all-time high that sounds like a great plan right now anyways we're about to get
00:01:47.520 get into the segment but before we do i just want to remind you guys if you like the show make sure
00:01:51.940 to leave a like on the channel subscribe if you are not yet a subscriber and hit the join button
00:01:56.860 if you want to become a monthly contributing member now check out this segment where it's
00:02:02.540 literally 10 full minutes of them just talking about a moment at a donald trump speech and u.s
00:02:09.620 president donald trump is back at it making new threats about canada becoming the 51st state here
00:02:15.300 is speaking about an hour ago new new threats not even like a comment because let's be clear
00:02:22.100 he made a comment he was also threatening quote-unquote greenland for like a year or whatever
00:02:28.860 and that turned into nothing because he was obviously never serious about actually taking
00:02:34.160 over greenland trump speaks in a very over-the-top manner when his actual goals tend to be far more
00:02:41.560 minor that doesn't mean that they're good or bad it's just his rhetorical style but the cbc
00:02:47.980 interprets everything in the most 11 out of 10 way possible a rally in arizona they'll end up
00:02:55.460 being the 51st state because it's the only way it works you know we don't need them but they need us
00:03:02.060 and why should we be losing 80 90 100 billion dollars a year to support a country that isn't
00:03:10.820 one of us i like carlene i'm trying to do the math here on all of this where it's like don't
00:03:18.260 interfere we hope you lose you should become a state where does any of this leave us i've
00:03:25.220 personally lost track uh what i do notice is that as each day the midterm elections get closer
00:03:33.220 the level of drama and rhetoric slowly ramps up and that's because things are not going very well
00:03:39.780 domestically on the economic picture in the states and so they added 975 000 jobs over the
00:03:47.060 last couple of months now does that mean there isn't affordability problems in the united states
00:03:51.380 and diesel prices aren't high of course they are it's an international problem right now it just
00:03:56.660 so happens that all these problems are even worse in canada so at the same time the united states
00:04:01.380 is adding nearly a million jobs in two months we lose 110 000 jobs in two months but the cbc has
00:04:08.020 not done their power panel about that yet they have not actually had a roundtable discussion
00:04:12.720 over whether or not mark carney's economic policies are working or not we focus on how
00:04:18.400 everything is bad in the united states and trump is ramping up his rhetoric really he isn't he makes
00:04:24.440 these offhand comments every once in a while about canada about how canada you know will be the 51st
00:04:29.200 state at one point because the only way it works and he puts out a number about how you know why
00:04:33.240 should we be giving them 80 billion dollars and it's probably some formula in his head where it
00:04:37.380 you know, includes a bunch of trade goods that he believes should be only being produced in the
00:04:41.940 United States and probably defense that they provide canned and some other stuff, you know,
00:04:46.300 some legitimate claims, some illegitimate claims. But this is just Trump. Again, you don't have to
00:04:51.460 like it. I don't like much of it, but it's just Trump. But we pretend like we don't know who he
00:04:56.800 is when we're on the CBC, like he just came out of the ground five seconds ago. We're like, oh my
00:05:02.340 goodness, who is this? It's Trump. We've known him for over a decade. We've in fact known him since
00:05:07.220 the 70s he's always talked like this and we act like no no he's not making jokes or little jabs
00:05:13.760 at an obviously informal rally no these are statements these are declarations of intent
00:05:19.120 if you think he's going to invade then build yourself a bomb shelter people you know he's not
00:05:24.740 doing it he just talks at the end of the day he also talks about wanting a trade deal you think
00:05:31.000 you'd want to get a trade deal if he was just planning on just taking the country anyways
00:05:35.240 Obviously not.
00:05:37.260 They are farming out every single one of their spokespeople and allies,
00:05:41.700 whether it's ambassadors in countries like Canada or spokespeople elsewhere,
00:05:46.080 to try to reposition the blame anywhere but on the Trump administration.
00:05:51.960 So on a day like today, when you have new bad inflation numbers domestically in the U.S.,
00:05:57.460 I think you see, again, President Trump trying to turn the fire back on Canada
00:06:01.460 for its counter tariffs and otherwise having resisted the Trump tariff regime just a few
00:06:06.920 days ago. He turned his anger toward Ukraine again to deflect against a domestic economic issue.
00:06:12.840 This is what you do when you are seeing the numbers of congressmen and women and senators
00:06:18.940 from your party who are looking to lose in states where they would have otherwise held on.
00:06:23.180 I think we should just all as Canadians probably not take a lot of this personally because it's
00:06:28.000 all about the midterms it's really not about us I can somewhat agree with her on that like a lot
00:06:32.700 of his rhetoric sometimes will ramp up or down based on a domestic issue so that should basically
00:06:38.780 end the segment right there yeah he says stuff but again the CBC needs everyone to be freaked
00:06:43.680 about Trump because if you are not focused on your television set that is talking about Trump
00:06:49.200 you might actually look at your relative who just lost their job or somebody else in your family
00:06:55.060 who's struggling to make ends meet and you may actually wonder what's Carney doing about any of
00:06:59.640 this? Are his policies succeeding or failing? They just want you to focus on the Trump element of it
00:07:04.640 all. Tim, I mean, Carleen's talking about the broader political motivation, but does Pete
00:07:08.220 Hoekstra have a point when he says, hey, the Reagan ad crossed a line. He talked about
00:07:14.160 Melanesia Lee saying at one point that some of these counter tariffs were targeting specific
00:07:18.820 U.S. states. Is there something to the American concern that Canadians are getting in their
00:07:23.300 business how's this for an answer no uh i mean it's like pete uh hookstra lives if that were the
00:07:30.560 case katherine it would be a case of pete hookstra how do we have two people from summa strategies i
00:07:36.540 believe the other lady was too why is it that we have strategists who work for lobbying firms or
00:07:42.460 other political consulting firms as all of the people on the panel it's just ridiculous that
00:07:48.520 this is just considered normal and is just like cynical um how about this as an answer no would
00:07:55.740 we put up with it if like because remember the Reagan ad was from Ontario Premier Doug Ford
00:08:01.840 he ran this Reagan ad on about trade in the United States that was obviously a shot at Donald Trump
00:08:07.580 now you can agree with the ad or you can disagree with the ad even though I don't like Doug Ford I
00:08:11.940 can agree with the general message of the ad free trade between Canada the United States is good
00:08:16.280 I agree. At the same time, would we put up with it? Because there's many policies that the Americans get right that I think that the Canadian liberal government gets wrong. Would I be okay with it if the Americans were just, you know, let's say a governor like Greg Abbott in Texas, or you get Gianforte in Montana, or some other person, whether it's Democratic, Democrat or Republican?
00:08:43.460 would I be okay with that governor running tens of millions of dollars of ads
00:08:47.880 in the Canadian market to try and basically persuade people
00:08:52.080 on a particular domestic policy and how they should vote?
00:08:56.040 Obviously, we would see that as a major violation.
00:08:58.640 But there seems to be this strange rules of engagement
00:09:02.220 when it comes to these liberals,
00:09:04.180 where Canada can do whatever we want to the United States
00:09:07.180 and America cannot do similar things back.
00:09:10.460 it's fine when we do it if they did it it would be a crisis because remember the cbc also covered
00:09:17.060 the independent movement leaders like some of the guys from the alberta prosperity project
00:09:21.820 you know not the most beloved independence movement leaders because many of them are just
00:09:26.860 focused on hating daniel smith and they're not really focused on trying to increase support for
00:09:31.660 the independence referendum like cory morgan and keith wilson are but the guys who ended up going
00:09:36.180 and meeting with some random GOP strategist in Michigan caused wall-to-wall coverage in tons of
00:09:43.040 tons of online publications on television on the CBC, CTV News, Global News. This became like a
00:09:50.500 hysterical fear story that some independence guys met with the GOP strategist in Michigan
00:09:56.440 and the conversations went precisely nowhere. But if Doug Ford is running political ads directly
00:10:03.400 in the united states that's fine they should just deal with it make it make sense living in a room
00:10:10.400 locked away uh with no screens and no awareness of what's happening elsewhere uh you know it's
00:10:16.540 like we have a cranky uncle pete hoekstra moment every seven or eight weeks it's been about seven
00:10:22.520 or eight weeks and here he is i mean the irony of this right never mind what trump just said
00:10:27.680 never mind last week that Jameson Greer, the trade representative, said, oh, PSPP got elected in
00:10:33.900 Quebec. That must mean the separatists are on their eyes. They're probably not very helpful.
00:10:38.840 There's documented proof of many different American entities, not necessarily linked to
00:10:46.680 the White House. I don't want to start a conspiracy theory, but established American entities
00:10:50.460 interfering in the vote in Alberta. No, no, no. He, in fact, is trying to start a conspiracy
00:10:57.000 theory, there are entities interfering in the Alberta independence vote. What do you mean
00:11:03.420 entities? You actually have to describe what those entities are. If someone contracted some
00:11:07.680 American PR firm to help, that's standard. The Alberta NDP are using Zoran Mamdani's strategy
00:11:16.160 firm that he used for the New York mayor's race, the New York City mayor's race. Zoran Mamdani's
00:11:21.440 strategy firm, the one he used, is being used by the Alberta NDP and Nahid Nenshi. Is that
00:11:26.300 interference? Well, no, it's only interference when people we don't like end up using an American 0.99
00:11:31.480 firm. I don't even know what he's saying, because he's just saying entities, which is obviously a
00:11:35.980 way of creating a conspiracy theory, because you're being vague, and you're allowing for
00:11:40.360 liberal viewers of the CBC to just insert whatever group they think is involved. And again, really,
00:11:47.060 the stories, as far as they went, it was that there are some American content creators who
00:11:52.500 were talking about alberta independence because it was a very clicky issue on youtube uh is that
00:11:57.960 interference it's an interference that the independence guys met with a gop strategist
00:12:02.020 in michigan and it went nowhere because he has to be more specific or else he's basically just
00:12:06.980 creating conspiracy theories by vague illusion engaging and discard and having dialogue with
00:12:13.880 the separatist forces in alberta so he can sit there and go on like he does i mean again as
00:12:19.620 Carleen says, yeah, that's, you know, let him say what he's going to say. He's going to say it
00:12:24.240 anyway. It's a point of distraction. But I don't think anybody in Canada is listening to Ambassador
00:12:29.580 Hoekstra and taking it seriously. Jordan, the argument that Premier Ford was making,
00:12:33.960 the suggestion that there may be political opportunity for Canada if Donald Trump is
00:12:38.460 weakened politically, do you buy it? Not entirely. I think it's a wishful
00:12:44.080 full interpretation of the dynamics on the ground there it is clear that the republicans are headed
00:12:52.280 to a very serious defeat in the midterm certainly in the house potentially in the senate the question
00:12:57.180 is the size of that defeat but i think that the danger is actually that that may push trump away
00:13:04.420 from a domestic agenda because his hands will be a little bit more tied uh in congress and and push
00:13:11.000 him again a little bit more towards his international projects which can be a space
00:13:15.840 because of course that is the prerogative of the executive and and she actually is right here it's 0.93
00:13:21.100 so stupid whenever people think that there's like some like magic solution to the trade problem 0.95
00:13:26.900 that involves like trump losing the midterms and then coming to carney begging for a deal 0.99
00:13:32.560 he's not going to do that and the thing is it's not because like trump's unreasonable
00:13:36.800 no president would like just reverse their agenda because they lost the midterms did did
00:13:43.120 Barack Obama ever do that he got walloped in the midterms in 2010 and as well in 2014 did he ever
00:13:50.820 back down no he was too proud to ever like admit defeat when it came to Obamacare or any of his
00:13:56.980 other policies whether it was foreign or domestic he just stuck to his guns because people don't
00:14:02.300 exactly like to admit that they've ever been wrong on a policy the idea that we are ever going to
00:14:07.260 like insult trump back to him and then he was going to suddenly like to break and that's not
00:14:12.920 saying trump's like reasonable or always consistent it's saying that you at least have to engage with
00:14:18.460 who the man actually is rather than making up some dream scenario where you're going to speak truth
00:14:24.580 to power and then he's going to bend the knee to you and give you everything he wants but this
00:14:29.260 whole segment on the CBC is just kind of fueling what I would consider to be delusional fantasies
00:14:35.540 that the what Canada's destiny currently lies with Trump no it does not I don't like Mark Carney
00:14:42.700 but Canada's destiny lies with the liberal government and Mark Carney but I this government
00:14:48.700 basically acts as if they can't do anything everything is just up to Trump everything is
00:14:54.160 just up to international forces canada's just riding the waves and just having to deal with
00:14:59.280 things as you know not even deal with them we can just like a boat in the middle of the ocean
00:15:04.560 being thrown about by the waves and we just hope that we don't sink it's like okay uh you're the
00:15:10.440 captain of the ship can you do anything to try and right the situation but carney and the liberals
00:15:15.480 basically divest themselves of having to do anything i want to bring this up this post up
00:15:20.340 from Jamil Javani that he made a couple days ago.
00:15:22.880 I thought this was right on the money
00:15:24.200 about so many of these mainstream media shows.
00:15:27.320 He said here,
00:15:29.080 I have an idea.
00:15:30.580 What if corporate lobbyists appearing on television or radio
00:15:33.300 had to disclose on air any relevant conflicts of interest
00:15:36.580 before commenting on the news?
00:15:38.500 For example, if a person working for firms
00:15:40.860 like Rubicon, Teneco, or Takt appeared on CBC or CTV,
00:15:45.480 they had to disclose that they may have money
00:15:47.600 lobbying Mark Carney,
00:15:49.460 That way, when these lobbyists support any specific politician or policy,
00:15:54.260 the audience has adequate information to assess the credibility of their commentary.
00:16:00.060 What do you guys think?
00:16:01.480 Yes, and people like Tim Powers and many of these other people on the panel,
00:16:05.740 sometimes they say reasonable things, but most of the time they're default liberals.
00:16:10.080 And it's not just because they themselves are liberals,
00:16:12.220 but it's because they also get money to lobby the liberal government,
00:16:16.060 and they're not going to criticize them.
00:16:17.800 And that's what makes it so incredible walking around this world where people think that they're in the know because they watch David Cochran or Rosemary Barton's show on the CBC or even Vashti Capellos, who I find has honestly gone downhill over the past six months or so in terms of her commentary quality.
00:16:36.080 all these people act like they're informed by watching these shows at the same time you're
00:16:41.020 literally watching fake commentators who are in fact lobbyists trying to maintain their like good
00:16:48.260 relationship with the liberal government by having mild opinions about everything that generally veer
00:16:53.180 in the direction of giving prime minister mark carney and his government a big pat on the back
00:16:58.540 it's just maddening to like to bump into people like that you guys watching my show do not think
00:17:05.440 well, you know, I watched Wyatt Claypool, ergo, I know everything. You understand you're getting
00:17:10.780 a biased slice of what's going on in Canadian news. I try and cover things from my perspective,
00:17:17.400 things I think are important, but you're under no delusion that you're learning everything by
00:17:21.580 watching the show. But people who watch the CBC, despite the fact that the commentary is probably
00:17:26.200 more narrow than mine, they think that they're getting this like very healthy, balanced view
00:17:31.420 of how things are in Canada, and the most insidious part of all of it is they act like it's purely
00:17:36.520 neutral. This is just what, this is just like, you know, good, neutral information, and I'm coming to
00:17:42.300 my own conclusions. No, you're not. You're getting filtered reality, and you're convincing yourself
00:17:47.760 that somehow this is just how the country is, and you're coming to your own conclusions. No,
00:17:52.540 you're very clearly being told what to think, and you don't know it. I had to pause the video there
00:17:59.100 because i needed to check if there is a new laura babcock clip for us to talk about and i can very
00:18:06.340 very proudly report back to you guys there is a new laura babcock rant about american interference
00:18:12.580 in the alberta independence referendum canadians don't mess in america's business if anything we
00:18:18.840 yes we do yes we literally do it is interference to be running political ads to the tune of millions
00:18:25.580 of dollars in the american market basically trying to compare donald trump to ronald reagan
00:18:31.200 you can agree with the point or disagree at the point in the ad but that is interference as direct
00:18:36.160 interference in their domestic politics melanie jolie was saying what we're specifically targeting
00:18:42.940 our counter tariffs onto products from red states in order to punish them that is obviously domestic
00:18:49.480 political interference it's not like trump ever came out and said well because the because people
00:18:54.580 in Quebec vote liberal so hard and because people in the Toronto area do, I'm going to be focusing
00:18:58.980 all my tariffs on Ontario, on Quebec, on British Columbia, and the Maritimes. Now, technically,
00:19:05.780 it's somewhat worked out that way, but it's more of just a fluke because he just hasn't been going
00:19:10.060 after resources in Alberta, Saskatchewan, because it wouldn't be worthwhile to him to tariff energy.
00:19:15.420 But he doesn't do that. I'm not saying his tariffs are good. I'm saying that we have uniquely been
00:19:21.700 attempting to shape our way of handling the trade issue by targeting sort of like the domestic
00:19:29.780 political environment of america trying to shape how people vote just try to get along with them
00:19:35.560 and have a good life but what we're having to deal with is their constant interference their money 0.96
00:19:41.000 their threats their garbage their hacking all of it and what do we get for that pete hoekstra come
00:19:46.700 out and tell us that we've got to stop interfering in their midterms well my message to pete hoekstra 0.95
00:19:51.040 is you know what you need to go somewhere far far away somewhere dark like the united states under
00:19:57.400 the trump regime get out of oh wow god um oh my oh my goodness laura babcock god i'm with that one
00:20:04.360 it's like she just genuinely doesn't know anything her husband works as a producer for the cbc and
00:20:11.320 she doesn't even understand the issues she has no clue about the doug ford stuff about all about
00:20:17.640 Melanie Jolie's specific targeting of red states even other premiers have done that with a lot of
00:20:23.640 their with like with uh with Doug Ford specifically when he started out with the bourbon ban he did
00:20:29.540 that to try and go after Kentucky you know they ended up expanding it to all American booze but
00:20:34.940 the thing is that that was and they've always been framing it as like an anti-Trump ban in order to
00:20:40.180 get people to not vote for Trump now I'm not saying people have to be like neutral and not
00:20:44.500 pretend they have a problem with trump on the domestic front my point is that you can't claim
00:20:49.380 the americans are interfering in play in things like the alberta independence referendum with
00:20:54.280 really vague accusations they're somehow involved and then completely ignore what canada has also 1.00
00:21:00.100 done it's just hypocrisy it's just stupidity this is why we fail at the trade negotiations 0.99
00:21:06.020 because we don't seem to care about what the actual record is that's not saying we're wrong 0.99
00:21:11.200 It's saying that we have a very warped view of what's going on.
00:21:14.980 Canada, we are a country of light and of good values, and we're good allies and good neighbors.
00:21:20.280 And we want no part of somebody like yourself who's doing this to our country.
00:21:24.700 Just leave, leave. Bye. Ciao.
00:21:27.380 Bob, your thoughts?
00:21:28.300 I think you've covered things pretty comprehensively there.
00:21:31.120 Oh yeah, comprehensively.
00:21:32.420 Just having emotionally cathartic rants is covering things comprehensively.
00:21:39.640 But this is as far as so many elbows up voters' actual minds go. They are simply here to stand up to the bully that is Trump on the schoolyard and his minion, Pete Hoagstra, because they're trying to hurt us. And we would never hurt them because we're a city on a hill. We are the country of light and they are the country of darkness.
00:21:58.640 these people frame politics like children that's not me making a value judgment that it's actually
00:22:06.300 the reverse it's saying that life's more complicated let's try and get a trade deal
00:22:11.420 that's not saying sign anything that's saying get into the room and stop the cartoonish framing
00:22:17.000 of these issues and instead focus on what do we want what do they want and how do we meet in the
00:22:24.080 middle the most so that we can be satisfied walking away with what we have, knowing that we
00:22:28.980 can maybe renegotiate in the future for the rest of what we want as well. But that's probably too
00:22:34.800 much adult talk for these individuals. Anyways, with all that being said, thank you guys for
00:22:39.960 watching the show today. Make sure to like, share, subscribe, do all that great stuff. Consider
00:22:44.200 hitting the join button and becoming a monthly contributing member of the channel. And I will
00:22:48.700 you know i always mess up some of these end points in the videos but you can't go back at this point
00:22:54.120 with all that being said thank you guys for watching i'll see you all next time