The National Telegraph - Wyatt Claypool - October 23, 2023


Gaza Aid Is Hurting Palestinians

Topics
aid and siege in Gaza
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Wyatt Claypool
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1,476

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This is actually a war, and wars require a military solution, and the best and least casualty-free military solution is the lifting of the siege on Gaza. Israel should not be allowed to go into Gaza without lifting the siege.

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00:00:00.300 All right, hard truth time, and I'm going to give a clip to the anti-Israel faction here.
00:00:05.540 There should be no lifting of the siege, and sending Gaza aid is a very, very bad thing. 0.81
00:00:12.600 I'm going to make sure to clip it there before I add bad for the Palestinian civilians.
00:00:18.180 So again, aid and lifting of the siege is going to be bad for the Palestinian civilians.
00:00:24.260 Let's explain.
00:00:24.840 One, this, despite what you're hearing on the BBC and CBC and mainstream media, is actually a war.
00:00:33.100 And wars require military solutions.
00:00:36.160 And the kindest and least casualty-free military solution possible would be an effective siege.
00:00:41.660 Now, there's a lot of things.
00:00:43.640 One, we all know most of the aid getting into Gaza isn't going into the hands of the Palestinian civilians.
00:00:48.100 Like, the flour and food aid is already being taken by Hamas and was resold at exorbitant prices to finance their own war effort.
00:00:57.100 And then they'll probably take the food for themselves and give it to the fighters. 0.92
00:01:00.200 They'll probably then leverage different food and aid to Palestinian civilians in desperation to have them join the war effort or be used as human shields or whatever.
00:01:09.060 So, they will make sure that the Palestinian civilians stay starving and poor and emaciated so they can leverage more aid, which they can get to themselves, to keep the war going longer, to kill many more Palestinian civilians, which has always been the main goal of Hamas. 0.94
00:01:22.820 If you listen to any threats they make against Israel, it's, we will destroy Israel and we don't care how many Palestinians we have to kill to get there. 0.93
00:01:29.120 Now, let's back up a bit. 0.99
00:01:31.800 This is a war.
00:01:32.960 What do the Palestinians want? 0.99
00:01:33.820 They just want freedom.
00:01:34.660 No, they don't.
00:01:35.360 No, they don't.
00:01:36.280 That was 2005.
00:01:38.300 Settlements.
00:01:39.060 Every single Jew was removed from Gaza in 2005 by the Israeli military.
00:01:43.980 The land was made.
00:01:44.620 You didn't grind.
00:01:45.500 It was, we just gave Gaza a state. 0.64
00:01:47.680 We just, they just made it a state.
00:01:49.160 They're like, you know, you know what?
00:01:50.800 No negotiation.
00:01:51.760 You're, you're now a free independent state, Gaza.
00:01:54.060 Have at it.
00:01:54.840 They had an election. 1.00
00:01:56.240 Hamas won on a platform of global jihad and kill all the Jews. 0.98
00:01:59.400 And then before they went to kill the Jews, they did take time to enact a brutal civil war, kill all the Palestinians who didn't agree with Hamas and the leaders there in a brutal civil war. 0.93
00:02:08.400 That gets no coverage in the media. 0.85
00:02:09.940 And then they declared war in Israel and started launching rockets into them.
00:02:13.320 Seventeen years later, after the October 7th terrorist attacks, Israel had enough and declared war back on Gaza.
00:02:19.600 Now, as I said, this is actually a war.
00:02:22.720 And we all pretend to ignore the fact that it's a war and the laws of war and the rules of war.
00:02:27.320 And we say things like international law when Israel is involved because we all decide to collectively lose our minds. 0.84
00:02:32.820 Now, if you want a legitimate peace, there needs to be a military solution here.
00:02:39.740 Because if there is another ceasefire, which there have been tons of ceasefires between Israel, Hamas, PIJ, you name it, a ceasefire in this region of the world is called a reload.
00:02:50.340 If you give a ceasefire, an unconditional ceasefire, again, Hamas attacks Israel and then they can't go in to save 200 hostages and eliminate a major terrorist threat that had declared war on them and invaded their territory.
00:03:04.540 No, it's a military occupation. Again, not since 2005. Every soldier and every Jew was removed from Gaza.
00:03:11.400 This isn't about sovereignty. This is about destroying Israel. 0.94
00:03:14.920 Listen to them. They consider all Israel settlers, even in Tel Aviv, a city built out in sand by Jewish and Zionist pilgrims in 1909.
00:03:24.600 Even that belongs to Islam, according to them.
00:03:27.140 You have to read Hamas's charter. This is a global jihad against every Jew in the world because they are Islamists. 0.99
00:03:32.740 It's in their charter. You have to read it. 0.97
00:03:35.600 So, Hamas needs to be destroyed. 0.90
00:03:38.220 Now, if you are so much better than all of us because you can just say,
00:03:42.020 why doesn't the world just do peace like I want?
00:03:47.320 Listen, the minute a group of Palestinians sit down in a park, play the bongos and talk about a two-state solution and peace on earth, 0.58
00:03:55.600 I'll pay attention to the peace movement in Palestine.
00:03:57.780 But not for a second has there been a faction with any significant weight within the Palestinian population that has ever wanted peace or even tried for peace.
00:04:06.580 So, the only way to leverage peace is through strength.
00:04:10.660 Now, this can either be done by carpet bombing Gaza and then going in and blowing up all the tunnels 0.97
00:04:17.140 and mass civilian casualties and casualties to Hamas because Hamas, in their own military doctrine,
00:04:22.520 will make civilians, hostages, and fighters into every single building.
00:04:25.900 We already have it on video.
00:04:27.580 I know the anti-Israel crowd will deny it to the max, but it's there.
00:04:32.400 Okay?
00:04:33.300 So, it's on you.
00:04:35.080 If you really want to save Palestinian civilians, you're going to need some intellectual and moral courage. 0.80
00:04:41.160 You're going to need to be able to think about what's going on here.
00:04:44.920 And if you want an end to this with minimal casualties, you need to put pressure on the entire Gaza Strip through siege and starvation. 0.93
00:04:55.340 Yes.
00:04:56.480 There's no friendly way to fight a war, guys.
00:05:00.120 And then you can leverage chaos inside the Gaza Strip.
00:05:03.040 Maybe the militant, local militant tribal factions rise up against Hamas.
00:05:08.220 They make deals in order for food with Israel.
00:05:10.380 And then they start fighting Hamas.
00:05:13.580 They lose control.
00:05:14.460 They're made unpopular.
00:05:16.040 But the more you dump money and aid into the Gaza Strip, you're giving it directly to Hamas to strengthen their position there, 0.68
00:05:23.220 keep their fighters fed, and the civilians poor to leverage more food and aid,
00:05:28.200 which will give Hamas more strength and more money and more ability to keep this going longer and longer and longer. 0.51
00:05:33.740 And the reason we're in this situation is because the global establishment media expert academic types
00:05:40.940 don't have the moral courage or the intellectual honesty to talk about what wars actually mean
00:05:47.200 and the fact that in wars people have to fight wars.
00:05:50.900 So any method Israel's taken to fight the war, the anti-war faction will throw a hissy bit over.
00:05:56.060 They will not say a single thing about the rockets still flying from Hamas into Israel.
00:06:00.340 So if you really want to stop the war, you should support non-lethal means of warfare 0.74
00:06:10.120 if you want the minimum amount of deaths to happen to the Gaza civilians.
00:06:13.720 And then, hey, leverage all the countries that are the most anti-Israel.
00:06:16.560 Qatar.
00:06:17.900 Hey, Qatar, how many Palestinian refugees do you want? 1.00
00:06:20.940 I will liaise with the Israeli government to send as many Palestinians on a boat as long as they want. 1.00
00:06:26.380 However many Palestinians want to go to Qatar, they can go on a boat and they will be guarded 1.00
00:06:32.360 by U.S., Israeli, Canadian, whoever submarines.
00:06:35.700 I will stand on the top of one of those submarines hyped up on ephedemines like I'm a German tank commander
00:06:39.980 going through the Ardennes in 1941.
00:06:43.020 1940?
00:06:43.720 And I will protect every single one of them to make sure they get directly to Qatar 1.00
00:06:50.360 and nice and safe and sound there.
00:06:53.220 This is the type of leverage that we could use legitimately to reduce the amount of civilian casualties,
00:06:58.240 undermine Hamas, get the hostages released, and find a lasting solution that has minimized 0.86
00:07:03.320 Palestinian casualties.
00:07:04.580 But this is totally off the table because no major faction of the Palestinian movement wants peace.
00:07:10.320 They all want war.
00:07:11.840 And they want genocidal war.
00:07:13.440 And they complain when Israel fights the war.
00:07:15.540 They want it a one-sided genocidal war. 1.00
00:07:17.200 They want all Jews to just lay down their arms and be burned alive, slaughtered, and massacred 1.00
00:07:21.640 accordingly. 1.00
00:07:23.400 It's not going to happen.
00:07:24.400 You're not going to just get all the Jews in the world to agree to, you know what, let's 1.00
00:07:27.200 just let everyone kill, rape, and murder us. 1.00
00:07:28.960 That sounds like fun. 1.00
00:07:30.040 It's not going to happen.
00:07:31.420 So, if you do care about peace, and you do care about Palestinian civilians, you're going 1.00
00:07:36.320 to have to live in something we call reality.
00:07:38.820 And that means making hard choices.
00:07:40.920 It means supporting non-lethal means of actual legitimate warfare over lethal means.
00:07:45.220 If you really want to sue for peace and prosperity in the lives of Palestinian civilians. 0.80
00:07:50.260 But instead, just chanting from the river to the sea and fomenting the destruction of
00:07:54.760 the Israeli state?
00:07:56.420 Well, that's when you get the bombs.
00:07:59.640 And, sorry, but any other country would do the same.