The NXR Podcast - June 14, 2023


DAILY TRUTH - Did Jesus Appear In Human Form Before The Incarnation?


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8 minutes

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140.18364

Word count

1,201

Sentence count

52


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Before the incarnation, before Jesus took on flesh, He still existed in the Old Testament before taking on a second nature, namely, as the Son of God. But Jesus did not come into existence at the point of the incarnation. He was not yet fully incarnate, had not yet taken on physical flesh, but he still physically was manifest, revealed himself to Old Testament saints such as Abraham, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednezzar, when they would not bow the knee to the civil magistrate. And yet there is a fourth with his face shining as though he is the son of man.

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00:00:42.320 Jesus said, man cannot live on bread alone, but from every word that proceeds from the
00:00:47.040 mouth of God.
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00:00:49.940 john gill the late great baptist who preached in the very same church 100 years prior to charles
00:00:59.280 spursion in commentating on our text today says the following joshua gave him religious worship
00:01:06.340 and adoration which had he been a created angel he would not have given to him nor would such
00:01:14.120 a one have received it if this was an angel when Joshua fell in his face and began to worship him
00:01:21.440 the angel would have told him to stop if this was merely a man the man might have received being
00:01:27.620 sinful chosen to receive praise and worship from another man but Joshua would have picked up on
00:01:33.560 this and would not have offered worship so if this was a mere man Joshua would not have worshiped if
00:01:39.180 it was a mere angel, the angel would not have received Joshua's worship. Rather, this is the
00:01:45.100 Lord Jesus Christ. Now, in terms of chronological order, this is before the cross. This is before
00:01:51.940 the earthly ministry of Jesus Christ, before the incarnation. But Jesus did not come into existence
00:01:59.720 at the point of the incarnation. He is the eternal Son of God, eternally begotten. There is never a
00:02:08.400 time in which the Son was not. The Gospel of John in the opening chapter says, in the beginning was
00:02:15.140 the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. So before the incarnation took place,
00:02:23.980 before Jesus was born of the woman, born of Mary, Jesus eternally existed as the Father,
00:02:31.920 and as the Spirit, as a most pure Spirit, without body, parts, or passions.
00:02:39.500 Equally divine to the Father and the Spirit.
00:02:43.720 Equally worthy of worship, honor, and praise as to the Father and the Spirit.
00:02:50.860 Before Jesus took on flesh, He still existed.
00:02:55.300 He is not made. He is not created.
00:02:58.440 Rather, He is eternally begotten.
00:03:01.920 Now that said, Jesus did appear in the Old Testament before literally taking on a second nature, namely the human nature, taking on flesh in the incarnation.
00:03:14.340 Jesus still had not yet been incarnate, had not yet taken on physical flesh, a second nature, the human nature, but he still physically was manifest, revealed himself to Old Testament saints.
00:03:29.200 He still appeared at various times to individuals such as Abraham.
00:03:34.400 Or we would also argue that Jesus appeared in Nebuchadnezzar's fire.
00:03:39.640 Along with Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego.
00:03:42.500 When they would not bow the knee to the civil magistrate.
00:03:45.800 They were thrown into the fire as punishment.
00:03:49.640 And yet the servants of Nebuchadnezzar said,
00:03:52.240 How many men did you throw into the fire?
00:03:54.080 Was it not three?
00:03:55.560 And yet there is a fourth.
00:03:57.100 with his face shining as though he is the son of man the son of man being the most popular
00:04:05.480 and frequent title that jesus used even for himself son of man not saying that he's not
00:04:13.000 divine oh i'm not the son of god i'm merely the son of man no son of man is picking up on
00:04:18.680 the words phrasing of ezekiel the prophet that talked about the promised messiah the christ
00:04:25.440 who was the son of man. And that is implied also the son of God. So what we find in the Old
00:04:33.860 Testament before, in chronological timeline, before the incarnation, before Jesus took on
00:04:40.400 flesh, Jesus still at various times appeared as though in human form. And this theological term
00:04:49.760 for such an occasion is theophany.
00:04:53.340 This was a theophany.
00:04:55.320 Jesus appearing, in this case, to Joshua.
00:04:59.480 I personally believe,
00:05:00.860 and many other biblical scholars would agree,
00:05:03.180 that when God walked with Adam and Eve
00:05:05.700 before sin entered the world,
00:05:08.300 which, as we saw last week,
00:05:09.940 did not take very long,
00:05:11.680 but during this brief moment
00:05:13.180 of God walking with Adam and Eve
00:05:15.120 in the garden in the cool of the day,
00:05:16.940 I believe that this too
00:05:18.100 was the second member of the Godhead,
00:05:21.220 namely Jesus Christ the Son,
00:05:23.900 pre-incarnation,
00:05:25.760 but in human form, a theophany.
00:05:28.960 A theophany of Jesus walking with Adam and Eve
00:05:31.780 in the cool of the day.
00:05:34.420 And so we have not a man,
00:05:36.860 not an angel,
00:05:38.740 but the Lord Jesus Christ
00:05:40.600 standing before Joshua
00:05:43.000 and announcing himself
00:05:44.980 as the true and rightful commander
00:05:47.800 of the armies of god the armies of the living god both heavenly armies legions of angels that
00:05:57.460 jesus himself says in his earthly ministry that if i wanted to i could call down a legion of angels
00:06:03.860 and decimate rome and israel for that matter if i wanted to in a moment fight by flight why leaving
00:06:12.040 godless places is loving godless places i've had a lot of people tell me recently pastor joel
00:06:18.440 you're post-millennial you claim to believe that jesus is king of every square inch but apparently
00:06:24.880 you don't think he's king of california because i've heard your personal story that you used to
00:06:30.140 be a pastor there and that you left for the state of texas notice the title not fight or flight but
00:06:37.720 fight by flight think of the prodigal son he comes to the end of his rope he's longing to be fed with
00:06:45.080 the pods given to the pigs and the parable says no one gave him anything no member of the father's
00:06:53.180 house tracked him down to give him a handout he was hurting he had to lie in the bed that he had
00:07:00.340 made for himself by his foolish choices you know what the next words in that parable are no one
00:07:06.320 gave him anything and he came to his senses he began to repent there are 10 million professing
00:07:14.220 christians currently living in the state of california what if they're fighting but at the
00:07:20.400 same time while well-intentioned they're also funding what if california could be brought to
00:07:26.700 its knees simply by the faithful not fighting there but leaving there and forcing gavin newsom
00:07:34.060 and other tyrants like him to actually have to take a spoonful of their own medicine.
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