The NXR Podcast - November 30, 2022


DAILY TRUTH - The Freedom of the Conscience

Hosted by
Joel Webbon Harrison Smith Antonio Griffith Dale Partridge Wewsley Todd Calvin Robinson
Mentioned
Ligonier Cruises Nathan Anderson John MacArthur R.C. Sproul Jamie White Gary DeMar Joel Webin Joe Boot
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Pastor John MacArthur has preached that a Christian should not drink alcohol. Does this mean that a pastor should be domineering over his flock? Is this spiritual abuse? Or is it just good preaching? Join Pastor Gary and the Right Response Ministries team as they discuss this question.

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00:00:19 Jesus said,
00:00:20 Man cannot live on bread alone, but from every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.
00:00:25 You're listening to Daily Truth.
00:00:30 In all these ways, an elder must be able to say to those in his church,
00:00:34 follow me as I follow Christ.
00:00:38 He must be able to set an example for the flock.
00:00:43 That's 1 Peter 5.
00:00:44 Not domineering over those in your charge.
00:00:48 Domineering meaning not pushing and prodding the sheep by coercion.
00:00:54 But as we said last week, but rather persuasion.
00:00:57 now there are many in the church today in america not saying this church necessarily but in the
00:01:03 church today in america who would interpret persuasion as coercion i don't like the way
00:01:10 you're talking to me you made it feel as though if if i was to take any other position than the
00:01:17 one you espoused i would be wrong now we have to ask is that domineering is that coercion is that
00:01:25 spiritual abuse? Or is that just good preaching? John MacArthur holds as a position that a Christian
00:01:34 should not drink alcohol. And he has preached on more than one occasion, an entire sermon
00:01:40 in his church devoted to binding every conscience in the room to not drinking a drop of alcohol.
00:01:48 I disagree.
00:01:52 R.C. Sproul, Lord knows that man disagreed.
00:01:56 I'm not saying that he abused alcohol, but it's a Presbyterian, Ligonier Cruises.
00:02:01 There was some whiskey on those cruises.
00:02:02 I'll just leave it at that.
00:02:04 So there's disagreement.
00:02:06 The question is, is MacArthur, as a pastor of his congregation,
00:02:11 permitted by the word of God to see something and have a conviction
00:02:18 and seek through persuasive preaching
00:02:22 to bind the conscience of every person in the room?
00:02:28 Yes.
00:02:29 Yes.
00:02:30 Is that spiritual abuse?
00:02:32 Well, we like to say it is,
00:02:34 especially if you like alcohol, right?
00:02:36 You're going to have,
00:02:36 if you're in that church and you like to drink,
00:02:39 you're going to have a massive temptation to say,
00:02:42 where's Christian liberty?
00:02:45 What's going on? 0.94
00:02:48 but he's allowed to do that.
00:02:49 And the congregation is allowed to disagree
00:02:51 because it's secondary.
00:02:55 And MacArthur's church is not commanding
00:02:57 in the sense that they're exercising church discipline
00:03:00 over those who drink alcohol
00:03:02 so long as they're not getting drunk.
00:03:04 Do you understand?
00:03:05 So you're allowed to have a powerful preaching,
00:03:08 persuasion, hold a secondary or tertiary,
00:03:12 I would argue that one's tertiary,
00:03:13 doctrinal position that may in the larger body of Christ
00:03:16 be somewhat even obscure seek to bind the consciences of every person in the room making
00:03:22 the most persuasive arguments that you can and the congregation at the very same time ultimately
00:03:28 disagree and you as the pastor say i think you're wrong i actually think this is wrong and at the
00:03:37 very same time not exercise church discipline because it is an example where there is liberty
00:03:43 so all that being said the point is that an elder must through persuasion not coercion that's what
00:03:53 the scripture means first peter chapter five not domineering that's what it means not to domineer
00:03:58 i think we often interpret domineering through the lens of strong preaching if the voice is
00:04:07 elevated as mine is now, we are sometimes too quick to throw that into the domineering category.
00:04:14 Do you understand? So not domineering simply means not coercion, right? Not commanding something that
00:04:23 really should be counsel. But through these two authorities, the authority of command, that which
00:04:28 is explicit in scripture, and the authority of counsel, that which is more implicit and peripheral,
00:04:34 even in the realm of the authority of counsel,
00:04:37 you can still make powerfully persuasive arguments
00:04:40 and hold a deep conviction.
00:04:44 A congregant is allowed to do that.
00:04:47 And certainly, so is an elder.
00:04:49 All right, all right, all right.
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