The NXR Podcast - September 10, 2026


The Next Crusade - Was Charlie Kirk’s Assassination an Inside Job?


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00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to the next crusade exclusive to nxr i am father calvin robinson and this is
00:00:21.680 the show where we talk about current events from a christian perspective but today's a very special
00:00:26.300 show. It's a very sensitive matter that we're going to discuss. We're going to talk about the
00:00:32.220 Charlie Kirk assassination. Now, Charlie Kirk was a friend of mine over the years, a very good man,
00:00:38.520 a very honest Christian, and I think what happened to him was awful. It was the worst
00:00:44.360 assassination in decades. It was an international incident, and it deserves covering for that 0.99
00:00:49.960 reason, because it affects the state of this country, if not the world. And so we're going
00:00:55.840 to go through it with a friend of mine justin candor who is uh i don't know if i can say much
00:01:00.160 about his role but he is a fed he has experience in these matters and he's going to outline uh his
00:01:05.140 professional stance on where we're at with the charlie kirk case justin how are you pleasure to
00:01:11.620 be with you father how are you thanks for coming on thank you very recently put out a video uh
00:01:17.140 asking the question is candace owens crazy and now the tldr is no she's not and i wish that i
00:01:22.700 have a friend like candace if i ever get assassinated which is quite likely that someone
00:01:26.560 will look into all of the facts ask the inappropriate questions get on the people's
00:01:31.680 get on the nerves until they find out what the truth is justin i think you're probably one of
00:01:36.020 those people so yeah you know it's good to have you in my life in case i do get assassinated but
00:01:41.160 secondly you've also been asking the same questions as candace orange you've been looking into what
00:01:45.740 happened to my friend charlie and so i wanted to get you on the show to kind of go through some of
00:01:50.280 the indiscrepancies that you've come across? And I'll let you start off with a summary of what
00:01:55.420 you've been looking into. Yeah, well, thank you for the for the for outlining that. And I think
00:02:00.400 all of us would want to have a friend that really cares if, God forbid, one of us is suddenly taken
00:02:05.420 out inexplicably. And the story just doesn't make sense. There's not just gaps, but there's canyons
00:02:10.480 in the story. So, you know, I think a lot of us wish for a friend that just keeps asking questions
00:02:15.460 doesn't just accept a story that has more more holes than Swiss cheese at your local deli. So
00:02:20.340 so I really want to go through some of some of the things that I have looked at in this case
00:02:26.840 through the lens of an investigator. So my background is a little bit of law enforcement
00:02:30.960 and some, you know, threat assessment on the international landscape as it relates to
00:02:36.180 anti bioweapons and things like that. So I have an eye for looking at a case,
00:02:41.680 not just from a public point of view, where you see certain people not acting right,
00:02:46.960 maybe celebrating when they shouldn't be celebrating, but really what I'd like to look
00:02:50.360 at- Like dancing when they shouldn't be dancing.
00:02:53.120 Something like that. Yeah. You know, we've all seen a lot of weird
00:02:56.360 behavior that's not consistent with a typical person in mourning.
00:03:01.520 And these inconsistencies or discrepancies, have you found them
00:03:05.280 from the submitted evidence or have you been delving further?
00:03:08.720 So, yeah, the submitted evidence or lack thereof in many cases. So, you know, very basic things that would violate. We're not even talking about a trained crime scene technician. We're talking about basic patrolman police academy stuff we're talking about here.
00:03:24.920 Right. As far as preserving and, you know, really just throwing up a perimeter and preserving the crime scene.
00:03:32.500 And, you know, we don't see any of that in this case.
00:03:35.920 And it really mirrors a lot of other cases where there is a lot of suspect behavior in many ways, the same fact pattern where things just don't, you know, if there's a, you know, God forbid, a murder in any any populated city, we see it every day.
00:03:50.380 Unfortunately, immediately, the police throw up a perimeter.
00:03:54.060 No one's allowed in.
00:03:54.840 No one's allowed out.
00:03:55.860 And that perimeter stays up to preserve the entire crime scene until-
00:04:00.020 Oh, so they don't usually cement over crime scenes then?
00:04:02.260 No, they really don't.
00:04:03.400 They don't take up a foot of soil either.
00:04:06.620 Interesting.
00:04:07.360 Yeah.
00:04:07.620 So jump right in.
00:04:08.520 Jump right in with the first discrepancy or inconsistency.
00:04:11.280 So, you know, again, a lot of things are going to be orange or yellow flags.
00:04:15.720 And I think that's the way the public needs to look at it.
00:04:17.840 is, you know, certain behaviors are orange and yellow flags,
00:04:20.760 what I'm going to go through are some red flags. And these are
00:04:23.840 things that if any one of them is true, the entire case falls
00:04:27.320 apart. So let's go through the first thing that Google
00:04:30.160 searches. This is something that cannot be disputed. The Google
00:04:33.680 searches that were, you know, appearing through the Google
00:04:37.880 trends feature, reveal that there is a pattern of, you know,
00:04:42.560 the months and weeks and days leading up to the assassination,
00:04:45.800 we see certain keywords looked up in a very specific order.
00:04:51.040 So it wasn't just Robinson or Tyler,
00:04:52.920 it was Tyler James Robinson in that order,
00:04:56.120 appearing out of Israel, Washington DC,
00:04:58.460 and some other suspect locations.
00:05:00.700 Now, that by itself, those are pretty common name, right?
00:05:04.160 Tyler James and Robinson, your last name is Robinson.
00:05:07.080 So these are pretty common names
00:05:08.560 and by itself it wouldn't matter.
00:05:10.460 However, it's in that specific sequence.
00:05:13.000 But when you look at the rest
00:05:14.260 of some of these Google searches.
00:05:16.340 Lance Twiggs, George Hodginson Zinn,
00:05:20.160 not just George Zinn, and not Zinn with one N
00:05:23.840 or S-I-N or anything, any other variations,
00:05:27.220 it's Z-I-N-N, his specific spelling.
00:05:30.680 Further, Katherine Nestor.
00:05:33.640 Katherine Nestor is Tyler Robinson's defense attorney.
00:05:37.500 Michael Burt, also one of Tyler Robinson's defense attorneys.
00:05:41.780 tony f graf in that specific order that is the judge now on this case utah valley university
00:05:48.820 now somebody could say well you know there's there might be some you know there's a lot of
00:05:52.340 people with dual citizenship in israel it wouldn't be beyond the pale that somebody's looking up uvu
00:05:58.180 maybe they're on vacation in israel in israel and they want to you know check up on their their
00:06:03.220 application to uvu something like that however low c center rooftop also appears in google searches
00:06:10.820 leading up to the assassination, stemming from Tel Aviv, stemming from Washington, D.C. Now,
00:06:16.060 why would anybody be interested in the Lossie Center rooftop?
00:06:21.100 West 925th South Street, 683 West 925 South Street. Those are the two addresses where the
00:06:30.480 shrubs are where the white rifle was supposedly ditched. Again, searches appearing from Israel,
00:06:37.080 from washington dc leading up to that time something interesting about those addresses too
00:06:41.800 palantir does have some ties to both of those addresses apparently they own one of them through
00:06:46.600 a shell company uh timpanogos regional hospital also shows up very bizarre why would anybody in
00:06:52.840 israel be interested in that and you know even the staff at that hospital the surgeon that eventually
00:06:58.760 was quoted saying that he has a superman's steel neck you know um the the medical examiner i mean
00:07:05.000 a whole bunch of things show up on these these uh these um google searches but you know just for
00:07:10.680 the sake of time i'm just going to give you the rundown and and we'll we'll just ask ourselves
00:07:16.200 does any of this make sense and if none of those you know the you can maybe come up with an
00:07:21.240 explanation for some of these one thing in common between this and another incident that we're all
00:07:25.640 familiar with is the math the the the name thomas matthew crooks if that name sounds familiar it's
00:07:32.360 because it is that's the kid who shot donald trump in butler pennsylvania and it also happens to be
00:07:39.720 you know a shooting from a lone wolf gunman who was angry at a conservative shooting from a rooftop
00:07:45.560 seems to be the same playbook same google searches too um you know another thing uh on on my list of
00:07:53.800 red flags that things that are indisputable is that you know we had this donor ambush which
00:07:58.360 Charlie was invited to on August 5th, 2025, just about a month before he was taken out.
00:08:03.900 And to me, it seems like this was sort of his last chance to get back on the team.
00:08:09.500 Now, this event was, it's proven, it's not in dispute.
00:08:12.900 Again, this whole list is not in dispute.
00:08:15.140 You can dispute someone's behavior, you can dispute certain, you know, sequence of events,
00:08:22.800 but what you can't dispute are these things that have actually happened, just as a reminder.
00:08:26.700 So this donor ambush, it was it was laid out for Charlie that he was coming to to to get get some debate points.
00:08:36.100 I'm not sure Charlie was a person who maybe needed coaching and how to debate.
00:08:39.960 I mean, this is what he did for a living and he was paid very well to do it.
00:08:43.740 And this so this event was one of the best debaters at the time.
00:08:48.100 Yeah. Yeah. And that's what he was known for.
00:08:50.800 Prove me wrong, you know, and he would invite people up to the microphone who disagreed with him the most.
00:08:56.320 So does he really need to go to the New York Hamptons with Bill Ackman hosting this and be on a bunch of phone calls with rabbis and Benjamin Netanyahu, apparently, just to just to be told how to defend Israel?
00:09:09.400 I mean, is that really what he needed help with? 0.53
00:09:11.040 In fact, it was Charlie that was encouraging Netanyahu to be more humane and be more tactful in how they message, you know, their desire for, you know, self-defense.
00:09:26.240 And, you know, he was the one actually telling Netanyahu how to kind of strategize his messaging.
00:09:31.420 So not sure that Charlie really needed any support there.
00:09:34.460 But actually, this this incident concerned Andrew Colvitt so much that he apparently contacted the NCTC, the Joe Kent and Tulsi Gabbard's office, reporting the incident as, you know, a ties to a foreign threat that he was at least concerned enough to report it.
00:09:52.620 so you know charlie's text following this event saying i fear that they're going to kill me i
00:09:59.480 mean i would say has something to do with being ambushed and being pressured to you know come
00:10:05.820 back to israel for sort of a reprogramming trip by netanyahu himself and as as reports indicate
00:10:11.520 he was actually pressured uh to accept 150 million dollars as sort of um you know get back on the
00:10:17.720 train kind of thing, get back on the team. Charlie refused all of that. He didn't want to partake
00:10:22.860 anymore. He was done. He was done with the team at that point. So, I mean, you combine that with
00:10:28.000 the letter that he wrote, I mean, it's to Netanyahu. I mean, it's very clear that Charlie
00:10:33.000 was definitely ambushed here. And it was a very high pressure, you know, interaction just based
00:10:38.100 on everything that we've heard from the folks that were actually there. Going back to the actual
00:10:43.760 incidents of what occurred on the day of the assassination when we lost Charlie you know we
00:10:49.680 were told that this kid Tyler Robinson who is not a particular you know excellent marksman or
00:10:56.040 anything like that but we're told that he had a 30-odd six Mauser rifle shoved down his pants
00:11:01.320 now in a lot of these photos that we were given you can see the outline of his cell phone in his
00:11:08.800 pocket, but you can't see the outline of a 44 inch gun in his pants. I mean, that doesn't really
00:11:15.220 make any sense. But something that really doesn't make sense to me, again, concrete stuff that we're
00:11:20.000 looking at here, is that as he's walking up the stairwell in the parking garage, he changes his
00:11:26.140 limp. First, he has a stiff right leg. And then as soon as he gets up on the landing of the staircase
00:11:31.520 to turn and make the second flight of stairs, he changes his limp. He kind of forgets what gun,
00:11:37.380 what side of his pants the gun is supposed to be stuffed in apparently right i mean
00:11:41.340 very odd and and you can see that in a video that i can i can share here coming up the stairs of the
00:11:47.640 parking structure again he seems to be having issues walking
00:12:07.380 and again we able to track so we able to track mr robinson uh when he leaves this parking
00:12:17.040 structure yes we were able to so when he leaves the parking structure where where does he go
00:12:23.340 uh he he comes up around campus drive as you can see on the video here there is a there is a cut
00:12:31.100 through there north of the low sea building and that's mr robinson coming up the sidewalk
00:12:34.980 he has the noticeable gait or limp in his walk and then he moves south across the
00:12:41.880 front of the low sea building going back to the day of the assassination another thing that really
00:12:48.340 doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me is why was hunter kozak seen almost rehearsing his reaction
00:12:53.380 you know as if it wasn't odd enough that we were told that it's a trans shooter a disgruntled
00:13:00.480 person who hated charlie kirk based on his trans issues which i mean if you know charlie kirk
00:13:04.760 in the political landscape of conservative commentators, Charlie wasn't particularly
00:13:09.680 hard on the LGBT movement or anything like that. In fact, he explicitly was making room for people
00:13:16.440 in the conservative movement. And some people on the right found that a little problematic.
00:13:20.960 So Charlie Kirk would be one of the last people, if you're really angry about that issue,
00:13:25.940 to take out. I mean, and just as a side note, if you're angry about LGBT issues and you want to
00:13:33.540 take out Charlie Kirk, Chick-fil-A would probably be the last place I would go to eat before
00:13:39.240 I conduct this assassination.
00:13:41.260 I mean, it flies right in the face of, you know, sort of the message I'm trying to send,
00:13:44.860 right?
00:13:45.640 Yeah. 1.00
00:13:45.900 Chick-fil-A is more Charlie Kirk than trans. 1.00
00:13:48.320 Exactly.
00:13:48.880 But to push back a bit, I can see why the trans community would dislike him, not because
00:13:53.940 he's welcoming them into the conversation, but because he's having the conversation. 0.80
00:13:58.660 You know, when he debates with college students, they don't want to be confronted with facts.
00:14:03.300 they want to dictate their feelings so i cannot i can understand that motivation not to say that i
00:14:08.500 believe that is the motivation behind it but i can understand that motivation i completely agree but
00:14:12.820 if we remember actually at the time matt walsh was producing a movie what is a woman who really hit
00:14:17.620 this issue really hard i mean he was more of the front run rather than this yeah i mean why why
00:14:22.740 why charlie kirk on this issue right so it happens to be this question that he asks and as he says
00:14:28.580 counting or not counting gang violence and he's referring to the the the contrast of of trans
00:14:34.260 shooters he's taken out but again going back a few moments i mean we see before charlie kirk takes
00:14:39.940 the stage before he's mic'd up we see hunter kozak putting both of his right and left cheek
00:14:43.860 hands on his cheeks and you know being scared of something i mean it seemed to a lot of people he
00:14:50.500 was just rehearsing his reaction there um another weird thing that came out during the preliminary
00:14:56.340 hearing. Tyler Robinson apparently met with TPUSA, a representative from their organization.
00:15:03.780 Now, Blake Neff was actually asked about this. And Blake Neff said something very weird. It was,
00:15:09.000 I think it was on an X space, if I'm not mistaken. He said something like, well, I don't know who
00:15:13.520 that person is, but even if I did, I wouldn't tell you because you would just go harass that person.
00:15:17.640 So, I mean, you know, there's two ways to read that. But a lot of people say, you know, that
00:15:22.100 that's a weird thing i mean if that's just not something that happened number one why would you
00:15:26.740 answer that but more importantly why would the prosecution the state bring that up something
00:15:33.220 that troubled me is that the defense really didn't cross-examine it they really didn't push on it at
00:15:37.460 all that's something that i would have loved to hear you know if through an investigative
00:15:41.060 you know lens that's that's what you have the assassin meeting with who exactly from your
00:15:46.740 organization. So that was something really weird. And again, it's not the defense that brought it
00:15:52.660 up. The defense didn't push on it. It was the prosecution who brought that up. Very strange.
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00:17:57.060 can see through the uh through the um the behavior of charlie kirk's security team
00:18:02.960 now normally i would classify this as an orange or red flag because it's really circumstantial
00:18:08.080 however when you look at previous tp usa events you do not see anything like this you don't see
00:18:15.260 these signals right you don't see dan flood looking at frank turek tugging on his hat and
00:18:21.180 then stepping forward and tapping his shoulder you don't see in the same second rick cutler
00:18:26.140 all of a sudden tugging on something on his shoulder i mean there were it seemed to be that
00:18:29.980 was a serious there's a lot of this which is something you don't really do i mean i i wear
00:18:34.540 polo shirts all the time i don't think i've ever done that to the sleeve i find it very weird and
00:18:39.580 you're right it's circumstantial but it stands out and that's what matters exactly i mean it's
00:18:44.460 there's just no explanation for it right there's we i mean you can say well he had there's enough
00:18:50.220 plausible deniability that it could just be anything but it is strange enough that it could
00:18:54.060 be something right and and so the reason i bring this up father is because you don't really we've
00:18:59.500 heard us time and time again you know a lot of explanations you know everybody grieves differently
00:19:03.980 when it comes to erica when it comes came to dan flood and rick cartler we hear oh you know they
00:19:08.060 would always tap their shoulders really i don't i've looked back at a lot of these events i've
00:19:12.540 never seen that so that's why i would i would classify this as a red orange flag it has red
00:19:18.460 in it definitely is it orange is it circumstantial it is but in the broader context of usual fact
00:19:24.940 patterns usual behaviors you can't look at a grieving widow and say well that that just doesn't
00:19:29.500 make sense because there's no baseline to judge it on it's not like she loses a husband every day
00:19:33.260 however there are many events that charlie has been at and in every single one you've got dan
00:19:37.980 flood there you've got rick cutler there you've got frank turk there none of them are tugging on
00:19:42.300 their hats tapping their shoulders you know i i would push back on people who say well you know
00:19:48.220 the way they reacted was odd it was but again they're trained security professionals so you
00:19:52.780 could say they didn't react the way the audience did because they they're kind of trained for it
00:19:56.700 they're always at the shooting range they're always preparing for these incidents i in my gut
00:20:01.660 i don't feel that way when you look at their reaction but i i look at what they did right up
00:20:07.180 to the shot and that just doesn't line up with any other tb usa event that we've ever seen charlie
00:20:13.180 kirk uh participate in so i would definitely that reaction does stand out too when i i mean looking
00:20:18.940 at it i saw them grin i saw a laughter expression of laughter on their faces as they're looking at
00:20:26.460 his body crouched over his body doing something taking something from him it looked like there
00:20:31.580 was a grin from two of them i find that peculiar to say the least i can't imagine any trained
00:20:37.660 professional in any professional security environment where they'd think it would be an
00:20:41.820 appropriate reaction to grin looking over what is seemingly an injured body but was provenly a
00:20:47.980 dead body. Again, going back to what you said, I mean, we all wish we had a friend like Candace
00:20:54.720 Owens, a sister like her, a brother, you know, that cares about us, that would ask questions
00:21:00.680 and not be taking it so lightly. I mean, the guy's bleeding out of his neck. You would be
00:21:04.980 mortified just from the sight of that alone, much less. I think the individual you're speaking about
00:21:10.320 is Rick Cutler. We see a visible smile on his face. I think Dan Flood may be the second person.
00:21:16.260 I can't remember who that second person is, but definitely Rick Cutler, which is the second
00:21:21.600 gentleman who was tugging at his sleeve, who was in the audience right next to one of the
00:21:25.620 perimeter railings. Very odd reaction. Again, it just does not line up. Now, again, you could say,
00:21:33.400 well, people grieve differently, people react differently, but the guy's bleeding out of his
00:21:37.140 neck and you should be concealing the wound, trying to control the blood loss. I mean,
00:21:41.360 there's we don't see any of that further something that you know i i noticed is that you know there
00:21:46.620 were medics on scene there was no ambulance there not that i could see which kind of violates the
00:21:51.720 law but more importantly there were medics there they didn't allow the medics to really work on
00:21:56.640 them there were squad cars there they didn't really ask for a police escort i i saw police
00:22:01.920 actually trying to escort them out and they could have had lights and sirens running code three all
00:22:06.840 the way to the hospital, but they didn't. And we'll get into what actually happened in that SUV
00:22:11.540 in just a moment here. But, you know, just from what happened on stage, it just doesn't make any
00:22:16.940 sense that your guy is bleeding out. This is your security asset. You are here to protect him. He
00:22:24.920 was saying, guys, don't forget, there is one guy you are there to protect tomorrow. I am really
00:22:29.460 scared. They're going to kill me. He said that repeatedly leading up to this. And you're laughing, 0.96
00:22:34.200 You're smiling. I mean, nobody's trying to, you know, we heard accounts of, you know, there were blood over everybody. There was no blood on anybody. I couldn't see any blood on anyone. And we were told that everybody was just frantically trying to, you know, Mikey McCoy was a general directing the scene. Mikey McCoy in 0.824 seconds, we've timed it, puts his phone up to his ear. There's nobody on his phone.
00:22:59.580 he's not on the phone with anyone that we can see and we've we've seen you know behind angles of his
00:23:07.360 his you know his phone we've we have new footage has now been released where we can kind of see
00:23:12.460 what he was doing on his phone same thing with frank frank turek excuse me but we don't see
00:23:17.380 anybody on the phone with him and yet the first story that they're told is that he put his phone
00:23:21.500 up to his ear because they were trained drilled into their heads by charlie kurt to call erica
00:23:26.360 the minute something like this would happen i you know i just i i i just don't understand how any
00:23:33.880 of that is is i mean 0.824 seconds is not enough time to hear a gunshot even as a security or
00:23:41.960 police professional and adequately react it usually takes two to four seconds to take cover
00:23:48.120 and really react and understand what you're hearing is gunshots and you need to conceal yourself
00:23:52.680 Unless you're expecting a sound.
00:23:55.780 Exactly. Exactly. And what we know about Mikey is, you know, he's not some kind of military professional.
00:24:04.240 His father has military and intelligence ties, but Mikey is kind of a softer fellow, right?
00:24:09.840 I mean, we've been told he's bubbly. We can kind of see that.
00:24:12.500 And my guess is that he was disturbed when it finally happened.
00:24:16.760 And he pretended maybe he was just on the phone and just walked away, blended in with the crowd.
00:24:21.700 so he really didn't have to face the music of what just happened.
00:24:25.140 That's what I really think.
00:24:26.520 That's what my gut tells me.
00:24:27.740 We're going on concrete stuff here, but 0.824 seconds.
00:24:33.760 Eight-tenths of a second, he puts us here.
00:24:37.020 I do know these people personally, and I've spoken to Mikey since the awful incident,
00:24:42.140 and I do genuinely believe he is a soft lad.
00:24:44.540 He's a nice guy.
00:24:46.280 I don't believe someone like him will have any involvement in such a thing.
00:24:50.080 but then i don't i don't actually at this point and this is all speculation but i don't actually
00:24:53.780 believe anyone in turning point had any direct involvement even people at andrew culvert i think
00:24:58.560 these people knew what what happened and they're terrified that it might happen again and this is
00:25:04.060 why it seems like from behind the scenes there's a cover-up but there may be a bit of a cover-up
00:25:07.960 in that they're protecting their own lives and their family's lives that doesn't necessarily
00:25:10.960 mean that they were involved i couldn't agree more with you and i think the circumstantial
00:25:15.020 and concrete evidence points in that direction um as evidenced by andrew colvette originally
00:25:20.940 reporting what happened at the hamptons the zionist ambush by the the the tp usa zionist donors
00:25:27.500 originally he thought that was so disturbing that he had to report it to joe kent and tulsi gabbard's
00:25:32.920 office which that is massive you go if like they go to a lot of donor meetings i've been to some
00:25:37.560 of these turning point donor meetings i've actually spoken at some of them in order to
00:25:40.600 gain more donations for turning point right so i've been involved in this scene and it's usually
00:25:44.720 all very friendly and everyone's usually on the same page and the whole point is that we are
00:25:48.840 fighting against wokers and we're fighting the leb the left the libs etc for that to become the
00:25:54.620 exact opposite the inverse and they're actually focused on charlie and to feel that charlie's
00:25:59.140 being attacked so much that one of his team feels it's that bad that he has to call up the head of
00:26:05.740 uh international affairs essentially for the country to say there's something going on here
00:26:09.600 that there's international pressure on one of our high-profile figures.
00:26:13.880 That is incredible.
00:26:15.280 You nailed it, yeah.
00:26:16.260 I mean, I think that there's enough to be said here
00:26:19.080 that points in the direction that people maybe knew
00:26:22.060 that something was brewing, they didn't quite know what it was,
00:26:24.400 and then when it was all revealed, I think people had to make a choice.
00:26:28.280 And to your point about Mikey, I don't think he's a vicious guy.
00:26:31.780 I think he's doing something vicious by covering it up, but, you know...
00:26:35.600 Well, just to build up on that scene,
00:26:38.000 And so many people within that scene, Israel is their primary concern.
00:26:41.960 For some of us, our primary concern is winning back Christendom, right?
00:26:45.540 And I think Charlie was on that page, as you and I are on that page.
00:26:48.540 And many people, I think Mikey McCoy is on that page. 0.53
00:26:50.580 But for some of them, like Rob McCoy, Israel is the primary motivating factor.
00:26:54.920 And I've had this conversation with Rob.
00:26:56.240 He cares primarily about Israel and the U.S.'s relations with Israel
00:27:00.860 and Tony's relations with Israel.
00:27:03.000 That Israel is on a pedestal for some of these people.
00:27:06.180 And it is an idol, essentially. 0.86
00:27:07.480 is because some of these people are Zionists, Christian Zionists. 0.98
00:27:11.580 I couldn't agree more. 0.99
00:27:12.760 I mean, this is really what, we'll get into that, actually.
00:27:16.160 You know, I want to take a step back and talk about why this case really matters and why
00:27:22.180 people on the left who didn't like Charlie Kirk and people on the right who thought that
00:27:26.120 Charlie Kirk was a little too liberal, really, this case matters.
00:27:29.440 And you're touching on that point.
00:27:31.000 You know, we are now seeing what Charlie was in the battle of his life for at the end of
00:27:36.540 his life.
00:27:36.920 And it wasn't for the last couple of months.
00:27:39.020 It was for the last couple of years, at least.
00:27:41.920 We first saw this battle that he was engaged in emerge on the Patrick
00:27:45.760 Bet David podcast when he was saying, I'm not kidding you.
00:27:50.200 You can go back and look.
00:27:51.600 The date was October 12th, 2023, when he first said they are going to commit
00:27:57.080 an ethnic cleansing. 0.99
00:27:58.540 Now, I have a personal vested interest. 1.00
00:28:00.580 My family are Christians from Bethlehem and we're not Muslim converts.
00:28:05.840 we are among the first Christians in history to be in the land of Christ. And we take very
00:28:12.640 big pride in that. I mean, we are, it's a humble pride. We know that we're servants,
00:28:18.500 but we also know we represent Christianity in a different way. And we wish to see peace in
00:28:23.740 the region. We wish to see, you know, Muslims turn to Christ. You know, they do in some way,
00:28:29.740 but we wish that they would realize the fullness of Christ. And we wish that the same for our
00:28:34.340 Jewish brothers and sisters. However, I look back and I see Charlie who was almost converted
00:28:44.380 into a Zionist because that's not how this whole thing started, Father. This whole thing started 0.93
00:28:48.760 as SOS Liberty. And it's hard to find this stuff online, but it's still there.
00:28:55.760 You can look up Charlie's Genesis. And I'm actually from the same town Charlie's from.
00:28:59.500 I was born and raised in Arlington Heights, Illinois. I went to the same school as Charlie
00:29:02.800 did. So this really touches home for me in so many ways. Charlie started an organization when
00:29:10.160 he was just a kid, really, in Chicago, in this Northwest suburbs of Chicago. He started an
00:29:15.320 organization called SOS Liberty. This wasn't some like Zionist organization. This wasn't anything.
00:29:20.900 It really wasn't even, yes, he had a Christian background and he was serious about it, but he
00:29:25.220 wasn't really pushing that as the foundation of SOS Liberty. What SOS Liberty was, and you can go
00:29:30.660 back and look at, you know, his first appearances and, you know, what he was saying, he really was
00:29:37.220 pushing for fiscal conservative values. He was not talking about trans rights. He wasn't talking
00:29:42.960 about abortion, Israel, Zionism, none of that. What happened to Charlie was that you had Bill
00:29:48.600 Ackman, or I'm sorry, Bill Montgomery come in and basically see this kid who was really aspiring to
00:29:55.140 be somebody. And Bill Montgomery had a vested interest in sort of getting a new icon and
00:30:01.140 rebranding the Tea Party. The Tea Party was a failed project. It was really a referendum on
00:30:08.720 Barack Obama's failed policies. And what they were trying to do is sort of reignite,
00:30:14.000 you know, the conservative youth on campuses. And it was a failed experiment. What I find odd is
00:30:21.480 that Turning Point and Tea Party have even the same initials, TP, right? So Bill Montgomery
00:30:28.920 takes Charlie on board and they travel the country together. They start Turning Point and
00:30:33.300 lo and behold, Charlie, all of a sudden is just this kid who really, he went to Harper Community
00:30:38.760 College. I went there for one semester as well. I was still in high school. It was like an early
00:30:42.800 program. And, you know, I just, I couldn't believe like he dropped out. A lot of people drop out of
00:30:47.680 Harper. I mean, come on. But, you know, Charlie drops out of Harper College and goes on a tour
00:30:52.940 around the college, around the country with Bill Montgomery as Turning Point USA. And all of a
00:30:59.700 sudden you've got all these pastors who are just flooding TPUSA as mentors, as spokespeople. Yet
00:31:07.100 all these pastors, Rob McCoy, Jack Hibbs, all these guys, they come from weird military and 0.78
00:31:13.020 intel backgrounds and they all have one thing in common zionism yeah and it's not like so the
00:31:20.700 project is simple let's take take a conservative christian uh move his message away from
00:31:26.940 conservatism to christianity so that you can implement your zionism and make it about judeo
00:31:32.340 christian values that's the that's the bridge christianity for them was a bridge between
00:31:36.040 conservatism and zionism and so they wanted to push the pro-israel stance and to get it in there
00:31:41.600 They needed to make Charlie focus more on his faith so they can plug the whole Judeo-Christian thing. 0.83
00:31:46.320 That's exactly right. 0.91
00:31:47.180 So I think what we're seeing is not just the assassination of a political figure that some people loved, some people felt indifferent to, and some people hated.
00:31:56.400 Why I think every American and every citizen around the world needs to be concerned about this is because really what we're getting is a JFK all over again.
00:32:05.420 A lot of people think that Charlie was destined to be president one day.
00:32:08.380 whether you think that's true or not it's you cannot deny that he was a very influential figure
00:32:14.380 and you know i would argue that he was made to be an influential figure he was he was sponsored he
00:32:20.480 was he was he was living a truman show i mean none of this was organic right i mean everybody
00:32:25.460 um at first thought that charlie was this genius who built this organization and he was a brilliant
00:32:30.420 fellow but nobody can really do this on their own it wouldn't have happened without dozens of
00:32:35.860 millions of dollars coming in from Israeli lobby groups and Israel donors, Jewish donors,
00:32:42.080 who he openly admits they were Jewish donors.
00:32:44.480 But the problem arises when his message starts to move out of sync with Israel's message.
00:32:50.620 They were in sync for the longest time as a Christian, maybe a Christian Zionist, but
00:32:54.620 certainly someone who believed in Judeo-Christian values.
00:32:58.240 But once that came out of sync, because he is a Christian American, and he realized that
00:33:02.680 actually America's interests aren't always in line with Israel's interests. Iran is one instance.
00:33:08.120 October the 7th is another instance. And as you quite rightly pointed out on Patrick McDavid,
00:33:12.620 he talked about, was there a stand down order on October the 7th, for example, as well as the
00:33:16.560 question of there's going to be an ethnic cleansing. There's going to be a genocide,
00:33:19.760 essentially what he's saying. So he's moving away from the message that his donors liked
00:33:24.160 or his donors expected. And that's incredibly dangerous when your donors are incredibly rich.
00:33:29.300 It is. You know, I personally felt pretty indifferent to Charlie Kirk. You know, I saw
00:33:33.340 kind of his lukewarm stance on the LGBT issue and so on. And so he wasn't exactly my cup of tea. But
00:33:38.160 the reason I fell in love with Charlie's messaging and his mission, because it's because I saw what
00:33:43.040 he was battling in the end. This was a man who was in pursuit of the truth. Not only was he
00:33:47.880 attending Catholic mass regularly through the week. I mean, we're not even talking Sunday morning. He
00:33:53.000 was seen at St. Anne's, I mean, throughout the week with his daughter. This man was, and he used
00:33:58.220 to say to Protestants, we don't venerate Mary enough. He was recognizing that, you know, Catholics
00:34:01.900 don't worship the saints and worship Mary. I mean, he was really coming into the fullness of his
00:34:06.460 faith. And a man who is sincere about his faith cannot be insincere about Zionism or anything
00:34:12.900 else. He had, I believe, an attack of conscience and he realized what Zionism really is and what 0.90
00:34:19.380 Israel really is. It's an impersonation of the ancient land of Judea. It is not the biblical 0.87
00:34:25.760 land of Judea or the biblical people of Israel. And I think Charlie not only realized this towards
00:34:31.900 the end, but he was realizing the mask that was just starting to come off of these people.
00:34:37.640 I mean, pretending to-
00:34:39.060 Just to double down on his pursuit of the truth is fundamental. That was what he said
00:34:43.580 did everything around. That's so important. A lot of his events, for example, people would say they
00:34:47.980 didn't want Tucker Carlson there. They didn't want Candace Owens there. And he was always backing
00:34:53.460 them and backing their message and their ability to put forward their message, whether he agreed
00:34:57.760 with it or not, in the pursuit of truth. So you can have your Ben Shapiro, you can also have your
00:35:01.480 Tucker Carlson, and that's important for him. Whereas for many of the Christian Zionists, 1.00
00:35:04.940 they just wanted affirmation, much like the woke, much like the trans lobby. They just want to hear 0.89
00:35:09.160 their own thing repeated back at them. That's what the Zionists wanted. I was up, well, up until 1.00
00:35:14.340 Charlie's assassination, I was always invited to speak at his events. And I was the only Catholic
00:35:18.720 in the room invited. And many of the Christian Zionists were nice to my face, but many of them 1.00
00:35:22.620 would rather I wasn't on the same platform as them, as them able to speak, share a message 0.97
00:35:28.640 that's different to their message. I didn't always talk about Israel, but the point being that they 0.61
00:35:34.360 see their faith as different to our faith. After his assassination, I've still been invited a couple
00:35:38.860 of times, but not as often as I was when he was responsible, because he wanted that diversity of
00:35:43.380 thought and opinion so that the truth could float to the surface. And that's not what they want now.
00:35:47.420 Exactly. And, you know, going back to your mention of Tucker and Candace, you know, there was a clip that, you know, after this whole thing in the Hamptons in New York with this ambush of Zionist donors, he took to the he was invited on the Kelly, Megyn Kelly podcast and Megyn Kelly podcast.
00:36:09.400 You can see it.
00:36:10.340 Love Megyn Kelly, by the way.
00:36:11.260 Yeah, it's wonderful. And I'm really glad she's she's kind of seeing the mask come off, too.
00:36:15.600 and you know it seems like there are we're seeing a separation of people who are just
00:36:20.080 deeply and sincerely in pursuit of the truth yes people who are willing to defend
00:36:26.320 you know the zionist people are stuck in an ideology yeah yeah yeah and and really it's all
00:36:31.360 about money you know but i'm leaving off on a tangent going he said on on meghan kelly's show
00:36:35.120 yeah no problem so yeah you know megan kelly's show uh not only was he you can see the the the
00:36:40.400 anguish in his eyes he was really i mean he was talking to megan kelly from for my recollection
00:36:45.520 about how they're threatening him they're blackmailing him threatening his character
00:36:49.480 calling him anti-semitic and he was just just so disturbed and and you can see he was visibly
00:36:55.020 uh irritated by this and um you know a video later comes out i think megan kelly found this video
00:37:02.940 much later it was a video of them backstage and it was tucker candace and charlie sort of sitting
00:37:10.820 and talking in a circle backstage and tucker at one of the tp events is saying to charlie
00:37:17.540 you know i know you guys are under a lot of pressure and i know you know how your donors
00:37:21.540 are reacting you know to your shifting views do you want me to scale it back do you want me to
00:37:27.940 you know take it easy because you know i i've got my my views are evolving as well you know
00:37:32.580 what would you like me to do and charlie had two words for tucker go max go max we should all go
00:37:40.660 go max at all times. Yeah. And those two words have inspired the heck out of me. And I think
00:37:46.920 they've touched a lot of people. I think a lot of people are sick and tired of being afraid to call
00:37:51.940 this out for what it is. It is Zionist control of our entire government. And we are all being 0.68
00:37:56.840 forced to pay for and die for this greater Israel project where millions and millions and millions 0.83
00:38:03.980 are being slaughtered in the name of the chosen people in the chosen land. But if you're a real 0.89
00:38:09.860 Christian, and I'm talking to you, Mike Huckabee, I'm talking to you, Ted Cruz. If you're a real 1.00
00:38:15.020 Christian, the promise of the Messiah has been fulfilled. The chosen people were to bring forth
00:38:22.000 the Messiah. And I think as Charlie grew closer and closer to the core of Christianity, Catholicism,
00:38:28.880 Orthodoxy, I think he recognized that this can't all be true at the same time. Either Christ
00:38:36.820 fulfilled this promise, or he didn't. And that would have been a threat to many people,
00:38:42.680 to the Zionists, because he's moving away from the pro-Israel lobby, which he explicitly said,
00:38:46.700 I have to leave the pro-Israel lobby, the pro-Israel cause. And also for the evangelicals
00:38:52.520 that surrounded him, even if they weren't Zionists, because they were, many of them,
00:38:55.780 anti-Catholic. And so if he is moving away from both Israel or Zionism and evangelical Christendom,
00:39:02.180 like that massive sphere, that's all of his funders, that's all of his backers, all of his
00:39:06.080 donors all the people that have helped build him to where he was they're all against him instantly
00:39:10.940 overnight so there's no wonder that he felt under threat but let's get back to the evidence chain
00:39:15.300 because you talked about up until the vehicle where he was carried not by police not by medics
00:39:21.800 not by an ambulance but taken by his own guys who happened to be on the phone to one of his
00:39:27.780 arch nemeses uh ben shapiro we'll definitely touch on that so first i want to talk about
00:39:33.120 one of my favorite indisputable red flags, which is the Dodge Challenger, the infamous Dodge
00:39:39.020 Challenger. So we first see this image, the two images, you can show this on your screen,
00:39:45.260 was, you know, the Dodge Charger as seen on campus, approaching campus, we have several visuals of
00:39:51.940 what this Dodge Challenger looked like. And, you know, from the untrained eye, it looks kind of
00:39:56.300 like the same car that was towed out of Tyler Robinson's driveway. That's not the case, though.
00:40:01.400 And you can see, you know, there's two things that distinguish these two vehicles.
00:40:06.380 One of them's in dispute.
00:40:08.040 One of them, there's no explanation for it.
00:40:10.420 Let's go through the thing that's in dispute first, the front end.
00:40:13.440 The front end has a license plate holder that can be seen in one image on campus and is
00:40:18.860 not seen on another image when it's towed out of its driveway.
00:40:21.480 However, one of the features of the vehicle that cannot be explained is the exhaust pipes.
00:40:27.480 you see in one image two dual exhaust pipes and in the other image two single exhaust pipes well
00:40:37.220 sounds like ai has generated some of these images could be ai could be a decoy vehicle
00:40:42.480 and so what's the importance of what's the significance of the dodge challenger so if
00:40:47.880 you have a dodge challenger on campus that's purported to be the by the way those cameras
00:40:53.140 nothing's changed about those cameras and we will get into the the crystal clear images that uvu has
00:40:58.580 now produced for another case um you can clearly read license plates so we weren't given a license
00:41:04.620 plate that's the first thing the second thing is when you look at this dodge challenger that's on
00:41:09.300 campus and you see the dodge challenger in the driveway that can't be the same person but this
00:41:14.340 is supposedly the perpetrator's vehicle supposedly however we have a ring doorbell camera as well as
00:41:20.940 a neighbor's witness testimony who say that they witnessed somebody bald driving that Dodge
00:41:26.080 Challenger with about three to four occupants in the vehicle. So that doesn't sound like a lone
00:41:32.240 wolf gunman. Tyler Robinson has a full head of hair we've seen. I mean, that does not
00:41:37.100 fit the description of the suspect that we've been given at all. You know, lone gunman arrived
00:41:43.620 by himself, didn't even tell his lover that he was going. He just took off on this mission by
00:41:48.700 himself, did the deed and escaped. I mean, why is there a Dodge Challenger scene with so many
00:41:56.220 people in there? And furthermore, why do we not have a license plate confirmed? How many cameras
00:42:01.180 are on that campus? I mean, in excess of 25 to 30 cameras, just on the UVU campus,
00:42:07.060 monitoring the exterior of all those buildings. What happened to all the cameras that were part
00:42:11.260 of Charlie's camp as well? And what happened to the audio from the microphone that he was wearing
00:42:16.340 when he allegedly got shot yeah that that's a great question right i mean that microphone audio
00:42:21.560 would solve the case pretty much for those of us who suspect there was an exploding microphone
00:42:25.580 uh which is coincidentally from the factory that blew up uh in a matter of days after
00:42:31.980 charlie's assassination if it was not an exploding microphone we should have the audio footage of him
00:42:37.540 being shot because he was wearing the microphone as he got shot it's a closed door case right there
00:42:42.940 Yeah, you know, we they could they could simply solve this by doing, you know, you could you could push back if you're TPUSA or you're their attorney and say, well, they're not obligated.
00:42:51.580 OK, we got it. But, you know, are we after the truth or are we after asserting our rights here?
00:42:55.700 Because to me, this is about the truth. Right.
00:42:57.880 And it's not about exonerating yourselves because you're under a cloud of suspicion.
00:43:01.320 But we want to know who killed Charlie because nobody believes that Tyler Robinson, you know, had these military tactics and is jumping around, leaping around like Spider-Man.
00:43:09.820 nobody believes that nobody i mean the tyler robertson stuff seems like a distraction maybe
00:43:13.820 he was a patsy maybe he was a shooter maybe maybe he charlie did get shot but all of it seems like
00:43:18.060 a distraction what about the the particles of what looks like a road mike that were found in the back
00:43:24.620 of on the floor of the truck that charlie was carried in that's that's definitely you know
00:43:29.100 coming up here on this list of of uh indisputable red flags that i have uh constructed the red
00:43:34.300 flags then let's move on from the charger what's next in line so we have the ballistics that don't
00:43:38.780 match to the ballistics we've got four out of five fragments that couldn't make it to the lab for
00:43:43.180 whatever reason we have we had in the preliminary hearing a technician say that she only received
00:43:47.740 four or one out of the five four out of the five could not be used and the one fragment that they
00:43:52.460 received didn't match the diameter of a 30 odd six bullet at all i mean so you know we're now
00:43:59.980 seeing further evidence that whatever was found from his body whether it was a fragment from a
00:44:04.700 a bullet or something else, it does not seem like it came from a 30-odd-six bullet.
00:44:10.220 The screwdriver, that's another weird thing. So we had during the preliminary hearing,
00:44:16.120 during the, yeah, the preliminary hearing, we had officer Christopher Bagley testify that his
00:44:23.760 body cam died. Now let's talk about this body cam for a second. The body cam that he was using is
00:44:28.880 an Axon Model 4 body cam. Axon Model 4 body cams, when on a full life of battery, are supposed to
00:44:36.460 be good for a whole shift. For 12 to 14 hours, they're supposed to be fully, they're supposed
00:44:43.460 to be able to record the entire time. Now, these things are rigorously tested because officers
00:44:48.640 sometimes get caught up in crime scenes, sometimes traffic stops that lead to a warrant and they've
00:44:52.720 got to tell the vehicle. Imagine if all these body cams throughout the whole country just kept
00:44:56.120 dying on officers well then they would go find another contractor that can provide them you know
00:45:00.080 reliable equipment and something about law enforcement that law enforcement officers are
00:45:05.360 very familiar with is that when you are off duty you put your body cam back in the dock and it's
00:45:10.700 charging for the next shift and they rotate these cameras so it's not like another officer's grabbing
00:45:15.120 a body cam that's just been used for a whole shift that's just not the case and typically
00:45:19.540 these body cams are assigned to specific officers that way if they're involved in a case exactly
00:45:25.400 I found it to be very interesting because Officer Bagley, when he took the stand during
00:45:31.140 that preliminary hearing and said that his body cam died after just a half an hour of
00:45:35.080 recording, 90 minutes into a shift, but a half an hour of recording, I think it was
00:45:38.640 27 minutes, every single law enforcement officer in the country knew he was lying.
00:45:45.540 There's no way that could be true.
00:45:47.440 If you took one of those Axon Model 4 body cams off the dock and it was low battery,
00:45:52.080 it would say so.
00:45:52.920 Furthermore, if it's in the process of recording on your chest and you're running 10% or lower, you're on a low battery, it's warning you with vibrations, with red flashing lights, and it still has about an hour and a half of recording time left on it at 10%, right?
00:46:11.260 So none of this makes sense.
00:46:13.320 I mean, you just started your shift an hour and a half ago.
00:46:17.040 You're on the rooftop and supposedly you find the screwdriver that he assembled and disassembled
00:46:21.160 the gun and the screwdriver is here.
00:46:22.700 No, wait a minute.
00:46:23.340 It was on the rooftop, not in the bushes.
00:46:25.200 OK, well, why didn't your body cam capture it?
00:46:29.800 Officer Bagley also stated that he was alone on that rooftop.
00:46:32.600 But we see through the evidence with body cams from other officers, as well as, you
00:46:36.680 know just people recording from the ground level that there was at least four other officers up
00:46:41.040 there on the rooftop with them so you know whether or not they found the the screwdriver you know
00:46:46.900 nobody got that on tape absolutely nobody has that on tape that's a little odd to me right
00:46:52.860 you know and again we can say you know why didn't the share of canines find a freshly fired 30 odd
00:46:58.480 six miles of rifle tossed in the bushes i mean canines are trained to do that right i mean i
00:47:03.480 I mean, it's something that a canine should easily find.
00:47:06.600 And why did the FBI, after showing up 16 minutes later, why were they able to find that so fast?
00:47:13.040 Circumstantial evidence, the screwdriver is not.
00:47:15.640 That we know definitively is not a true statement that Officer Bagley made.
00:47:19.800 So one of the things I really want to go through is the warrant deficiencies.
00:47:23.260 So I've obtained actually access to a lot of the warrants that weren't initially available to the public.
00:47:28.120 I'm not even sure now if they've been made available to the public.
00:47:31.120 but i've got my hands on some of these warrants that were filed by the prosecution by the state
00:47:35.760 various law enforcement agencies one of those has these zones where tyler robinson was suspected to
00:47:43.920 have fled to in his escape route so what you have in this arrest warrant are five search zones
00:47:51.280 with coordinates and specific times this tells me that the police knew exactly where to look
00:47:57.600 after he made his escape. However, what you're seeing is a deliberate attempt to exclude one
00:48:06.320 of the zones that we definitively know he ran towards. We have an image of him from a doorbell
00:48:13.760 camera making his escape, yet the warrant does not specify that zone. We've got five distinct
00:48:20.560 search zones except the one where we know he ran towards so that's that's something for your
00:48:26.800 audience to see i mean that warrant has not been shown i don't think to the public yet so that'll
00:48:31.780 be a great thing to show um let me get back to the list here sorry i have so many tabs i'm sorry
00:48:37.780 so uh another point of contention is the steakhouse receipt now the owner says he's not
00:48:46.000 sure if he was there, but he also says he wasn't there. The three staff members at the restaurant,
00:48:52.260 though, that were there, they say that they did see Tyler Robinson there and they've got a credit
00:48:56.740 card number, a debit card number that they can use to trace who was that person. The FBI has
00:49:02.560 never called the staff members at the restaurant to verify any of this. They've never looked into
00:49:07.860 this. They've never even visited the restaurant. And oddly enough, as Tyler Robinson is on his way
00:49:13.900 back to St. George, Utah, where his apartment is. He goes back to Cedar City for fuel and uses that
00:49:23.220 same debit card. It would be so easy for the FBI to actually look into this, but we don't see that.
00:49:29.440 We see a route of his escape route starting off at St. George, Utah at approximately 4 a.m.,
00:49:36.280 leaving Lance's apartment. Remember, this apartment is in Lance's name. Tyler Robinson
00:49:41.140 is almost a guest there, staying in a separate bedroom. He makes it to Orem, Utah at approximately
00:49:46.820 8.07 a.m. This is the first time we actually see him on campus. And he's seen on campus walking
00:49:52.540 around, going to Chick-fil-A until the shot at 12.23 p.m. when he makes his escape. The next
00:49:58.280 place we see him is witness testimony placing him at Cowboys Restaurant before 8.55 p.m. because he
00:50:04.920 started his tab at exactly that time. That's what we see on the receipt. He stays at the Cowboys
00:50:09.980 smokehouse restaurant until 9 47 p.m how can that be though how could he be in pengwich utah the
00:50:16.520 cowboys smokehouse and at the same time be in orem utah that's impossible we see from the text
00:50:23.120 messages if they're authentic and we know they're not we see them we see them excuse me tyler
00:50:30.060 robinson is actually saying that he's scoping out the area at orem utah on campus at 11 p.m
00:50:37.420 waiting for one last cop to leave. And at the same time, he's in Pengwich still having his
00:50:44.240 steak. That doesn't make any sense. How do we know the text messages are fake?
00:50:49.700 Well, first of all, we have Lance's phone. We may not have Tyler's. He may have discarded it. We
00:50:54.940 don't exactly know what happened to Tyler Robinson's phone, but he was texting Lance
00:50:58.720 and Lance has been cooperating. For God's sake, he's been given immunity. He's been given immunity
00:51:03.720 to testify. Yet all we've seen are screenshots of a, excuse me, hold on, let me go back. All we've
00:51:10.100 seen are pictures of the actual phone itself with the time broken, the screen broken exactly where
00:51:16.500 the time would be. Almost as if somebody took a nail and hammered just that one portion of the
00:51:20.900 screen so you couldn't see the time. That's what's so weird. We don't have actual screenshots. We
00:51:26.360 don't have a data dump. We don't have an extraction of the cell phone. We've been told that the cell
00:51:30.360 one's been extracted. But if you have Lance, you have his phone, and you have him cooperating,
00:51:35.300 why don't you have a proper extraction? Why don't you have proper authentication?
00:51:39.260 The prosecution themselves did not even say that these are authentic texts. They said that this is
00:51:44.840 what they've seen from Lance's testimony, which was pre-recorded. We don't even see an actual
00:51:52.380 extraction where this is authentic, it's indisputable. We don't see any of that.
00:51:58.380 so you can't be at two places at once and it doesn't make any sense that tyler robinson would
00:52:04.800 leave his home at 4 a.m go to orem utah you know wander around campus until 12 23 when charlie
00:52:11.420 kirk is taken out and then go back to pengwich utah and have a steak from 9 to approximately 10
00:52:17.900 p.m and be texting his lover saying i'm looking for the rifle then go back to lance's apartment
00:52:23.340 make it back there at about 5 a.m on september 11 we're now into the next day and then somehow
00:52:28.340 be seen in cedar city utah filling up fuel that doesn't make any sense what makes a lot more
00:52:34.420 sense to me given what we can confirm through witness testimony and credit card transactions
00:52:38.820 is that he was probably at pengwich utah having a stake and then made it probably stayed the night
00:52:43.700 in in in pengwich utah and grabbed some gas on his way back to st george utah from cedar city
00:52:50.740 that would be along his route it doesn't make any sense to be going up and down the whole state of
00:52:54.660 Utah. And if we're to believe this, he drove 992 miles, which totals to about 14 hours and 20
00:53:04.620 minutes without traffic. I mean, this kid must have not slept at all that day. Also, given the
00:53:12.260 timeline, if he left his house at 4 a.m. and he was back at his house at 5 a.m., yet returned back
00:53:18.280 to Cedar City to get gas at 7 a.m., that means Tyler Robinson was awake for 25 straight hours.
00:53:26.060 None of that makes any sense. Okay, so let's move on to the next red flag.
00:53:31.000 Another odd thing that nobody can explain is why George Zinn, who is known to have Mossad ties,
00:53:36.560 is somehow at UVU for this earth-shattering event of the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
00:53:43.760 when he was also involved in 9-11 and the Boston Marathon bombing. That's crazy. How many world
00:53:50.820 events can you be at at any given time? That's quite crazy. You know, during an interrogation,
00:53:56.500 he later told police that I wanted the shooter to escape. When the police told him, you know,
00:54:01.060 your distraction really just took away police resources and probably allowed the shooter to
00:54:05.720 escape, he said, that was my plan. How can somebody think of that in two seconds? Again,
00:54:10.160 we go back to the reaction how can people react in such a quick way unless you were expecting to
00:54:16.160 so another discovery that is beyond explanation is the backpack that was found with black tactical
00:54:24.800 gear found at the library what you can see from this map is that the fulton library where this
00:54:30.480 backpack was found is about a quarter mile away 0.28 miles away from the area where charlie kirk
00:54:37.520 was actually shot. Now, Charlie Kirk wasn't touring the campus. It was pretty much a direct
00:54:43.520 stop at the area where he would be giving, it was pretty much a direct stop at the area where he
00:54:50.440 would be hosting the event at UVU. So why would a black, why would a black backpack be found 0.92
00:54:58.680 at the Fulton Library on campus when that's a quarter mile away? Later during the preliminary
00:55:04.740 hearing, FBI analyst Amanda Baker stated that DNA testing was halted because they were informed that
00:55:12.940 that backpack belongs to Charlie's team, specifically Terrell Farnsworth, the same
00:55:17.800 gentleman that we see taking the SD cards out of the cameras. That's significant, taking the SD
00:55:22.560 cards out of the cameras. What happens to the SD cards after that? You know, that's something that
00:55:27.220 really caught my attention too, because at first when we saw Terrell Farnsworth taking the SD card
00:55:31.700 had one camera behind him. People were asking, well, if you were so concerned with people
00:55:35.820 stealing, because that was the story we were initially given, then why didn't you take
00:55:39.300 the SD cards? Or why didn't you take the actual cameras? And so Andrew Kovac comes out with
00:55:44.000 an explanation later and says, Well, he was more concerned about the footage. There's
00:55:47.320 only one problem wrong with that story. Now. It's that there was three other cameras, I
00:55:52.440 believe. Why didn't you get any of those SD cameras, they captured a lot more than you
00:55:56.940 know they the footage there was way more gruesome so why do you it's very very strange if you see
00:56:03.380 your friend or your employer die and your your instinct is to take the footage that's the first
00:56:09.000 thing to get the sd card not render aid and then you know that's doubled down with you know taking
00:56:13.680 a selfie video saying they killed them they killed them you don't know they killed them yet i mean
00:56:17.260 i mean how come you're not rendering aid how come you're not working with police to clear the
00:56:20.980 vehicles out of the way you know it seems like your number one concern is grabbing one sd card
00:56:26.000 from one camera not all the footage no longer matters the footage is from a debate that no
00:56:29.960 longer matters it matters in terms of evidence for a crime scene which is why it should be left
00:56:33.660 alone and then you should let the police come in and take it but it doesn't matter in case of the
00:56:37.060 debates are over it's done your guy is dead that's what matters or bleeding out exactly another point
00:56:43.820 of contention is the confession to the parents so we were told from the very beginning he confessed
00:56:48.060 he confessed the father recognized the rifle from the from the news and he immediately called his
00:56:52.400 son and his son confessed and they talked him out of committing suicide or something like that. And
00:56:57.040 you know, this is not only discounted by a reporter by the name of Elizabeth Lane, she has actually
00:57:01.900 a recording with the family where they all say, we don't think he did it. But his statement,
00:57:05.860 that statement to the police, right? We were told that the parents told the police that he confessed.
00:57:10.380 Well, if that statement was actually made to the police, the police would be mandated to document
00:57:15.360 that statement. And it would be a tool that the prosecution could now use to compel them to
00:57:20.540 testify. So you can't be forced to, you know, testify against your spouse, their spousal
00:57:25.380 privilege there. I think something similar exists like that for family members. But here's a
00:57:31.080 statement that we were initially told that they actually gave to the police. They said he confessed
00:57:35.880 and we're bringing him in. And, you know, they were they were encouraged by a family friend
00:57:39.280 to bring him in. But none of that's true. I mean, we never saw the parents take the stand,
00:57:43.740 which would have been very damning for Tyler Robinson. We never saw them take the stand during
00:57:47.420 preliminary hearing uh which which indicates to me that no actual statement was documented by the
00:57:52.860 police um you know that's that's something we've been told since day one that that never actually
00:57:58.300 happened apparently um another thing that you know just there's just no explanation for this is that
00:58:05.500 erica and terrell farnsworth tyler boyer andrew colvette these guys all said that they met through
00:58:10.780 turning point through charlie charlie was sort of the lightning rod that everybody kind of met
00:58:14.620 through the only problem with that is that we see a lot of these relationships existed long before
00:58:19.820 charlie uh was ever in the picture i mean specifically tara farnsworth tyler boyer and
00:58:25.500 erica kirk i mean a lot of these people came in with the pastors like rob mccoy and jack hibbs i
00:58:31.740 mean a lot of them kind of came in the picture at the same time so that that's something that
00:58:35.820 you can't really explain now going back to what happened in the vehicle we have some odd involvement
00:58:42.860 with ben shapiro and his idf security team now ben shapiro has repeatedly stated and we can verify
00:58:48.380 this through linkedin as well aside from his own statements that most if not all of ben shapiro's
00:58:54.540 team is all idf former current idf and uh even ties to massad as well now father i mean if god
00:59:03.420 forbid you know one of us is ever you know harmed in any serious way i mean i i would say the the
00:59:08.540 the first person I'd want you to call is maybe my mom or my wife or, uh, you know, just somebody,
00:59:14.500 my, one of my friends, you know, I mean, and, and I would, I would assume you would want the same.
00:59:18.200 I know you're close with your, your parents and, you know, um, you know, I would assume you would
00:59:23.020 want one of us fellows to, you know, get in touch with your family from, from England, right?
00:59:27.720 Why would you call Ben Shapiro? Not in a million years. He's probably the last person on the list.
00:59:33.460 Exactly. And, and let's contextualize why he would be the last person on the list.
00:59:36.880 there's a documented history uh not just from the text messages that candace owens has released but
00:59:42.080 a lot of testimony and we're talking from public statements that steve bannon has said and many
00:59:47.020 other people are in the same sort of circle that ben shapiro always hated charlie kirk and charlie
00:59:52.760 kirk always kind of knew it and always kind of shrugged it off and rolled his eyes about it
00:59:56.280 um but there's documented history of of ben shapiro really trying to sabotage the rising
01:00:02.360 of charlie kirk and and one way he was competitive with him he was threatened by him i think so and
01:00:09.480 i think you can kind of see uh charlie or uh ben shapiro's real petty side as it relates to candace
01:00:16.040 owens departure from the daily wire as well as even his his contentions with matt walsh and i
01:00:20.840 i do think if he if he could fire matt walsh he probably would it's just it's way too obvious now
01:00:26.280 that they've gotten rid of candace owens but um but you can see the pettiness there i mean it's 0.99
01:00:31.000 it's very obvious they take shots at each other. I mean, clearly, you know, I like to give Matt
01:00:36.860 Walsh the benefit of the doubt. I've watched him for a long time. I can no longer watch him. I wish
01:00:40.620 he would leave. But it also occurs to me that maybe he can't leave. You know, they've got these
01:00:45.940 guys locked in contracts and, you know, but you see how petty Ben can be. And so to be on the phone
01:00:52.340 with Ben Shapiro's IDF slash Mossad security team, giving him updates. I mean, we can see
01:01:00.420 this video here, where Ben Shapiro is actually saying, I
01:01:04.700 knew he was still alive when he was in the SUV in route to the
01:01:07.380 hospital. How the hell do you know that? And he actually
01:01:11.020 elaborates and says, I know that because my security team was on
01:01:14.080 the phone with his security team. Wait a sec.
01:01:20.220 Good. Why? Just why? Why? Why? Indeed, you know, if I were
01:01:24.840 Andrew Colbert, Justin Davis, if I were Frank Turek in the
01:01:30.000 backseat praying and praying. What I would do is maybe put those prayers to action. And I would
01:01:34.160 call maybe the hospital, let them know I'm in route. I would maybe call the police departments
01:01:39.160 and tell them, hey, we've got a black GMC Yukon Denali speeding down this highway. Please don't
01:01:43.760 stop us. We're not able to stop. We've got a gunshot victim in the vehicle. There's probably
01:01:49.560 a thousand phone calls that could probably be better placed than the one to Ben Shapiro security
01:01:55.020 team. That's just the last person you would call. But nonetheless, Charlie's team was on the phone
01:02:00.920 with Ben Shapiro, giving him live updates on whether or not he was still dead or still alive
01:02:05.680 or dead. Pretty wild. Which tells you that his security team were probably IDF and or Mossad.
01:02:14.100 Well, we can confirm that, you know, through statements that Ben has said, and, you know,
01:02:18.800 a lot of the publicly available information on LinkedIn. But something that ties into this is
01:02:25.780 Joe Kent, Joe Kent's involvement in this and his attempted investigation into it. So Joe Kent was
01:02:32.220 the former director of the National Center for Counterterrorism. And Joe Kent's responsibility
01:02:38.460 is to look at any intelligence or leads into intelligence that suggests foreign involvement
01:02:46.100 regarding espionage, threats to a public figure in America, any of those kinds of things.
01:02:53.120 Joe Kent received intelligence that there were 12 Israeli cell phones on the ground at UVU that day.
01:02:58.920 And as he attempted to look into this, he was blocked by the FBI. And who do I mean by the FBI?
01:03:04.200 Well, Joe Kent doesn't really leave any room for speculation. He actually specifically names the
01:03:08.680 current director of the FBI, Kash Patel, and former deputy director of the FBI, Dan Bongino.
01:03:13.900 they actively blocked joe kent citing that he doesn't have the scope or the authority to look
01:03:19.140 into this if the director of the national center of counterintelligence or counterterrorism excuse
01:03:25.340 me doesn't have the authority to look into 12 israeli cell phones just to see what who they
01:03:31.680 belong to who are these guys who who is it's not every day that you have 12 israeli cell phones
01:03:38.500 at the spot of an assassination, the biggest one in decades. And, you know, that's not worthy of
01:03:45.280 looking into. I mean, he wasn't even allowed to ascertain who the owners are. So again, something
01:03:51.820 that just it's, it's be, if this were any other investigation into any other kind of murder,
01:03:58.080 and we had 12 Venezuelan cell phones, I don't think Joe Kent would have been stopped from
01:04:02.280 looking into that. As the SUV was also examined, we see that there's a burnt object in there,
01:04:07.640 along with broken glass. However, there's obviously no broken glass, no broken windows
01:04:12.940 in the SUV. There's no fire that we know of. So why is there broken glass all over the floor?
01:04:18.920 Why is there a burnt object on the floor? Why are there black gloves stuffed in the side of
01:04:23.220 the driver door? None of that makes any sense. We also have reports that there was a 911 call
01:04:28.740 that no one is able to FOIA, FOIA for the audience stands for Freedom of Information Act,
01:04:33.700 where somebody is shouting in the background take that off of him many speculate because there was
01:04:39.720 no nobody on the other end sort of responding to the dispatcher many people speculate that
01:04:44.460 this was sort of a pocket dial by accident somebody must have been squeezing their cell
01:04:48.280 phone or something but we distinctly hear the words take that off of him so that is a 911 call
01:04:54.200 that has yet to be released but has been confirmed um but what we see with the suv is just very
01:04:59.940 unusual. Nothing explains broken glass all over the floor when there's no broken windows and
01:05:05.040 something that's been clearly burned, but there's no fire in the car. Another thing that can't be
01:05:10.120 explained is that Erica's Kirk has been recently seen carrying a different necklace with a
01:05:14.400 different clasp. I wouldn't recommend anybody actually go back and watch the video, but if you
01:05:20.220 do, what you can actually see is the moment that Charlie Kirk is hit with whatever projectile
01:05:24.820 actually hit him, you see the necklace fly off. And so we know that the necklace was broken. One
01:05:30.700 of the links or the clasp itself was actually broken. When you see Erica Kirk later, you see
01:05:36.000 her with a completely different necklace. None of that makes any sense. Why didn't the police take
01:05:41.020 it? You've got a guy who was just assassinated, who was saying, I'm being threatened repeatedly,
01:05:46.800 who was wearing a road microphone, a t-shirt, and a necklace. And none of those things were
01:05:56.320 confiscated by the police as evidence, as carrying any evidentiary value. Anybody,
01:06:01.980 anybody in law enforcement, anybody who has spent a day processing a crime scene or even protecting
01:06:06.100 a crime scene knows that anything that a suspect or a victim is wearing has evidentiary value.
01:06:11.820 So the fact that Erica's carrying around that necklace, carrying around that cell phone,
01:06:15.240 uh the the police the t-shirt hasn't even been collected i mean what happened to that t-shirt
01:06:20.480 the fact that none of that was taken into evidence that's crazy we also saw that you
01:06:25.660 know brian harple on the uh on the sean ryan podcast he's up there saying you know we we um
01:06:30.660 i jumped on the uh on the gurney when charlie was brought to timpanogos hospital i jumped on the
01:06:35.660 gurney i cut his shirt off and no hospital staff would allow you to do that anytime the hospital
01:06:40.500 staff receives a victim or a suspect please get out of the way get out of the way please sir please
01:06:45.120 move sir we need to address the we need to help the patient yeah even when as far as saying you
01:06:49.600 know he was dictating what medication to administer i mean none of that can be possibly true but
01:06:54.100 you know one thing we know for sure is that hospital staff is trained to deal with gunshot
01:06:58.140 victims uh victims of all kinds of assault i mean they are trained to take those those articles of
01:07:04.060 clothing into evidence and preserve them for the police there's no way that they would have gotten
01:07:08.580 you know, allowed Brian Harpal to get up there and cut the shirt off. So the fact that none of
01:07:13.020 that was taken into evidence and most of it's with Erica is deeply concerning for me. Another
01:07:17.920 thing we can confirm is none of the cameras on UVU campus have changed. It's the same quality,
01:07:22.720 the same exact cameras, yet in a recent case, we see new pictures of a suspect released where
01:07:28.240 there's crystal clear images of the suspect. We can clearly see the facial features. We can clearly
01:07:33.820 see what's, if there's any large objects stuffed in their clothing, what kind of backpack they're
01:07:40.340 wearing. We see this in very clear definition. However, these are the kinds of quality pictures
01:07:45.580 that we were able to see with Tyler Robinson. It looks like it was filmed on a potato. I mean,
01:07:49.740 it's unbelievably blurry, but we can confirm that those are the same exact cameras.
01:07:55.080 And finally, the last thing we can point out is the FBI's involvement. There's a couple problems
01:07:59.700 wrong with their involvement. The fact that this is not an FBI case, meaning it's not a kidnapping
01:08:05.320 case. It did not cross state lines. There's no federal crime really involved in this. He's being
01:08:10.220 charged by the state, not the country. The fact that the FBI has any involvement in this whatsoever
01:08:15.820 flies in the face of jurisdictional conflict here. This is not a federal case whatsoever.
01:08:22.780 Yet the FBI has been dictating to Utah authorities exactly how to run this case.
01:08:27.080 And keep in mind, that sheriff K-9 did not find that rifle.
01:08:30.880 It was an FBI agent that found that rifle.
01:08:33.560 So their involvement is very suspect for me.
01:08:37.680 And if the FBI is involved, given their training, why weren't they the ones to collect the shirt, the necklace, his phone?
01:08:47.280 Why weren't they the ones to actually take full custody of the evidence?
01:08:51.580 And it looks like they're just kind of running this investigation from afar.
01:08:55.420 That's what it seems to me.
01:08:57.080 Or there's something that they don't want to come out and they are running a kind of operation, something big is going on behind the scenes.
01:09:05.260 The deep state could have some kind of – there could be a national security concern.
01:09:09.580 There could be anything going on that we're unaware of.
01:09:11.480 Right.
01:09:12.760 Right.
01:09:13.280 Especially if there's foreign intervention going on.
01:09:16.520 You know, and the last thing I'll say, too, for the audience is, you know, a lot of people look at this case and say, how can there be patsies?
01:09:22.800 Is this really how the government operates?
01:09:25.840 I'd just like to remind your audience that this happens every day on a local and federal level.
01:09:31.180 It happens every day all over the world.
01:09:33.400 If you've ever watched a police movie, especially involving drug cartels and mafias and things like that,
01:09:39.380 there's a little something that the police utilize to their advantage to bring down an organization.
01:09:44.680 If let's say, for example, you get a guy on a traffic stop and he's got some petty warrants out for theft, for carjacking, something like that.
01:09:54.980 this person is taken into custody. And if the police know that this person has an association
01:10:02.800 with people that are, you know, of a higher interest to the police, what they will do is
01:10:08.760 oftentimes offer them a deal. This is what's called a confidential informant. You know,
01:10:13.020 whenever you deal with the mafia, whenever you look into it, like a lot of these mafia movies
01:10:17.020 are just real accounts of what happened. These mafias and drug cartels are brought down by some
01:10:22.060 their own guys they get caught up in something that they're not supposed to be caught up in 0.98
01:10:25.660 they're facing a lengthy prison sentence so what the police do is they say hey look you've got a
01:10:29.980 couple options here you can go to prison for the next 25 to 50 years or you can work with us for
01:10:36.620 a couple minutes a week you know just give us some information it doesn't have to be every
01:10:39.900 we're not going to bother you too much you just let us know what you know what information you
01:10:43.340 can and of course the person's it sounds great you know you don't have to go to prison you can
01:10:47.420 just you can it's essentially you know that will just drop the charges maybe give you disorderly
01:10:51.980 conduct something with probation nothing big but in exchange you're gonna have to work with the
01:10:56.460 police you're gonna have to cooperate otherwise they'll bring those charges back but that spirals
01:11:00.940 sometimes that turns into something much bigger as time goes on because what the confidential
01:11:05.660 informants finds themselves in is a situation that gets bigger and snowballs and they can't
01:11:11.900 say no at that point you know and that's oftentimes when the mafia or or the drug cartel they smell a
01:11:17.580 rat they know somebody's working with them and a lot of these movies a lot of these stories that
01:11:21.420 we've heard a lot of it's based on real life i mean this is exactly how they make movies they
01:11:25.500 it's all inspired by actual stuff that has that's happened so you know they they know that somebody's
01:11:30.060 working with the police and when they confront them oh yeah no i just gave them you know fake
01:11:33.900 information but still they they can't trust them anymore but in intel operations on a larger
01:11:40.380 federal scale it's a little bit more nuanced than that you get someone who's involved in federal
01:11:46.300 crimes and if we're thinking about what federal crimes take place on the internet i'm sure the
01:11:51.020 audience can probably fill in the blank there so you know you're caught up looking at things that
01:11:55.500 you shouldn't be looking at you're caught up uh you know uh exchanging messages that you shouldn't
01:11:59.500 be exchanging next thing you know you're in interrogation room and you're being asked to
01:12:03.740 you know just just give them some information what's happening on the dark corners of the web
01:12:08.220 you know just just let us know and of course they they get the other guys saying of course i'll let
01:12:12.220 you know whatever as long as i don't have to go to jail next thing you're being told hey show up
01:12:17.100 in orem utah on this day and just bring your your dad's uh rifle and just just give it to one of our
01:12:22.380 guys and we'll take care of it from there no no problem just we're just we're just collecting these
01:12:26.140 uh you know old guns that don't have serial numbers we just want to get them off the street
01:12:29.820 so just bring that gun over and just be in utah at this time and then you can go have a steak and
01:12:33.340 get back home next thing you know you're all over tv and you've got a guy calling your father saying
01:12:38.220 hey unless you want the swat team at your your house you'll bring your son in and uh we're just
01:12:43.260 going to clear up a few things you know it's no big deal we're just going to clear up a few things
01:12:46.540 So bring your son in. Let's have a conversation. I'm sure he didn't do it. We just want to make sure, since he was in Orem, Utah that day, we just want to make sure he had no involvement. And next thing you know, you've got your attorneys that were Googled from Israel defending you.
01:12:59.960 the summary of the story is never trust the government which is the best advice i can give
01:13:05.620 on this matter and pray for the souls of the dearly departed including charlie kirk uh justin
01:13:11.120 i wanted to get you on because i love candace i really do but she can spend a whole series talking
01:13:16.340 about what you managed to talk about in an hour so i wanted to get all i wanted to get all the
01:13:20.240 red flags out there let our audience be able to make their own minds up for themselves so thank
01:13:23.900 you for kind of going through it with us and i know you've got your own content that people can
01:13:28.920 look at where can people find you uh i'm on every platform x instagram facebook rumble youtube uh
01:13:35.980 just find me at my first and last name justin kanda i also have an alternate channel called
01:13:40.460 bethlehem blood where we're collaborating with some other christians in the holy land to bring
01:13:44.000 forth sort of the updates of what's been going on over there thank you father for having me it's
01:13:48.460 been a pleasure to be on your show and uh hopefully we can touch base as this uh this case evolves
01:13:53.140 there's a lot of corners that are going to be turned in this case absolutely justin kanda thank
01:13:57.440 you very much god bless thank you father thank you for watching another episode of the next crusade
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