The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - The (((Unique Origins))) Of Feminism

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00:00:04.420 Let's see what the first wave taught during the era of the French Revolution.

00:00:09.260 And you look at somebody like that and you say, well, what did she actually teach?

00:00:13.080 On this desk, she writes the women's Bible that portrays Eve as the hero.

00:00:16.760 It's my first time hearing this, that I knew the Martin Luther King Bolshevik, you know, Jewish alliance.

00:00:23.360 I did not know the Jewish Frederick Douglass. 0.78

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00:00:48.520 Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webin.

00:00:52.420 Joel Webin.

00:00:54.140 I'm gonna talk about Joel Webin.

00:00:55.820 Joel Webin is an accent.

00:00:58.820 All right, welcome.

00:01:17.500 This is part two of a three-part series that we're doing with myself and Pastor Eric Kahn

00:01:22.900 and Pastor Brian Sovey.

00:01:24.260 Real quick, just introduce yourselves.

00:01:26.280 What's your day job?

00:01:27.160 Where do you live?

00:01:27.700 What do you do?

00:01:28.820 Yeah, I'm a pastor at Refuge Church in Ogden, Utah, president of New Christendom Press,

00:01:33.720 which we started together, Eric and I, and we do a lot of, you know, just we have a lot of fun.

00:01:38.800 We call it the basement, but we all work together in the dingy basement of Refuge Church.

00:01:45.120 And we just, every day we wake up and we say, which gods of the spirit of the age can we upset today?

00:01:52.360 And then that's usually the agenda for that day.

00:01:55.280 You're also known as the sweet psalmist of Ogden.

00:01:58.500 see i try to back burner that since i didn't choose the title i would have shown more like

00:02:04.580 the blade master of utah or like some kind of really cool name i thought the way that you set

00:02:10.040 each day's agenda was you woke up had a kind of a punch-in meeting with the team and said what

00:02:15.120 would own strand do today and then do not do that thing and then do not do that thing yes

00:02:19.560 that's definitely there yeah it's like a dwight shrew kind of right you know exactly instinct

00:02:25.220 yeah brian silvey he's a senior pastor i don't know if you said that oh yeah

00:02:29.440 totally absolutely i'm the executive pastor yeah and i refer to brian as my sidekick

00:02:35.540 yeah because in reality i'm yeah for sure i mean that is true yeah it's not true no no he's your

00:02:40.720 sidekick yeah that's yeah i'm again if if eric is batman and then you have robin i'm just whoever

00:02:46.800 gets robin his coffee alfred we just i have it we talked about this in organ together yeah

00:02:51.640 by the way you guys should go listen to the king's hogs we did with joel we've got someone why he's

00:02:56.880 the most hated man on the internet at any given moment where there was a time where like me and

00:03:01.840 eric were neck and neck neck and neck it's not even close anymore no you broke i remember the

00:03:05.720 day that joel like called me and he was like i got you beat yeah and eric was like yeah yeah

00:03:11.780 you do people should check that out because we we had a lot of fun we love joel we've we've known

00:03:17.800 each other for years now four or five years yeah and just uh joel's been out to ogden we've we've

00:03:22.940 been out to texas more times than i've been invited that's for sure and we just there's

00:03:29.800 something special that happens when like i'll show up and brian be like and you know you're

00:03:34.860 polite you're like it's great to see you you know and i'll walk into your office you know and like

00:03:38.920 we'll talk and and then you know at some point in the conversation you're like so what are you here

00:03:43.260 like who invited you yeah you brought my whole family we love him we're here because it's january

00:03:50.960 and we live in texas and we wanted to see snow which actually is a decent reason yeah that's a

00:03:55.040 good reason yeah go ahead back to you yeah no that's so ncp new christenem press and this what

00:04:01.120 what is new christenem press new christenem press is a publishing house it also houses our all of

00:04:07.080 our media efforts so um we have my music it lives under a record label talking beast records that

00:04:12.460 we do through new christendom we do bright hearth a podcast about homemaking my wife and i do that

00:04:18.060 and really focus on just raising godly children godly marriages the king's hall eric and i do

00:04:25.460 together and we so you have your wife on a podcast but to actually talk about the home only that too

00:04:32.080 wow because i'm really familiar with a lot of reformed ministers that have their daughter or

00:04:36.240 their wife on a podcast who who fame patriarchy but then the woman talks about things that don't

00:04:43.220 actually have to do with womanhood now the best part is like anytime you know maybe we're talking

00:04:47.300 and i'm there too so i'll talk to some stuff that she wouldn't but every once in a while we'll be

00:04:52.240 talking and we'll forget that like other that it's a podcast for a second and then i'll turn

00:04:56.460 i'll say it's why we don't do it live uh can you edit everything lexi just said out

00:05:00.520 oh yeah that was no no she's like that was that was endearing but absolutely incorrect everyone

00:05:09.320 is now dumber having no the word the best is actually when she there was one recently where 0.74

00:05:14.940 she absolutely cooked she was like yeah and so and so is a grifter and i was like oh like she's 0.90

00:05:20.800 100 right they are but also but also like we're totally editing that out because and she was like

00:05:26.000 yeah yeah we're definitely not dude when i was like so when we recorded on king's hall with me

00:05:30.040 those three episodes. Um, I asked you guys after each one, I was like, how much of that are you?

00:05:37.060 We're going to find out. And you looked at me and you're like a decent amount.

00:05:41.200 So we do briarth, we do King's hall. We talk about history. We talk about culture,

00:05:46.860 politics, but we, King's hall is really focused on telling good stories from history. Uh, we,

00:05:53.000 like 20 minute, we've been known to do 20, 30 minute cold opens, telling the story of like a

00:05:56.840 conquistador right and then apply it to today really well produced though so like during those

00:06:01.780 20 30 minutes it's like you're reading a script but you make it conversational but the reason

00:06:05.600 it's a script is because it's heavily induced with facts and dates and times and places tell

00:06:11.740 the story but then with that though to make up for it like your your tech team the guys behind

00:06:16.380 the scenes behind the the curtain yeah those levers those are gifted guys because you add

00:06:21.100 music and sound effects and stuff and so it's like high like really well production heavily

00:06:25.380 sound design we do haunted cosmos high strangeness 14 and stuff from a christian perspective the

00:06:30.900 world is not just stuff primary water yeah primary water mermaids they've never done on

00:06:39.420 haunted cosmos but they've done it they've done it because i forced them to but they're like you

00:06:43.800 know what we'll let joel host that conversation with joel yeah in in texas which i started with

00:06:49.020 i think literally singing like the theme song literally did you're like i'm no dc and then

00:06:54.420 ben and i who is the co-host with me of haunted cosmos and we're like what the hell what the hell

00:07:00.260 is going on i'm looking at you guys the whole time and i'm like laying out you know my thoughts and

00:07:03.820 stuff and i'm like right and you guys are like yeah that's probably not real we don't we don't

00:07:07.640 we're like well you just said we don't agree with it and then joel's like i think i'm right

00:07:12.380 the mermaids are d no it's probably not true if you can't get ben to agree with it right hey but

00:07:17.820 the primary water that's that's my one claim to fame in the 40 in arena yeah everything else is

00:07:23.180 like other people have talked about bigfoot all those kind of i think no future no original thought

00:07:26.900 but the primary water is both plausible right and and i think it is it's it's plausible and it's

00:07:35.660 also obscure enough to where not like i think i was one of the first people who really publicly

00:07:41.900 talked about it wow no one else wanted to go on record joel no one was on that one but he was

00:07:47.380 cooking maybe he was cooking so we do that we publish books we do we do a lot yeah we put on

00:07:52.000 a conference every year but new christian press is just about making content resources media that

00:08:00.160 we believe is timely speaking to the issues that are like what issues today really need to be

00:08:06.820 addressed if we're going to retake the christian west build durable households churches businesses

00:08:12.020 politics all these things and we try to take a craftsman approach so we don't you'll note like

00:08:19.000 we put out the King's Hall every two weeks and it is that written and sound design. And we take a

00:08:24.640 lot of time with, with our books and they're, they're a slow production schedule. You say

00:08:28.460 timely. And I think that's true. Like it is relevant and providential, but it, but I think

00:08:33.280 it strikes a really unique balance between the timely and the timeless because your, your

00:08:38.400 production schedule is by design somewhat sparse because what you're putting out is timely, but

00:08:46.100 You can tell you're putting it out with the forethought, the intent of it also being timeless.

00:08:50.200 So it's long form, well-researched, grounded, foundational content.

00:08:55.700 So you may have like a timely application, but it's very much time, timeless principles.

00:09:02.180 Yes.

00:09:02.460 And so what you get with that is it's like, as much as people would like probably to hear more content from the King's Hall, it's just not going to happen because, um, because you, every time you get the King's Hall, you're getting the best.

00:09:13.660 Yeah. And you can't give people the best every day of the week.

00:09:16.980 No, it's, it's like we, you need guys like Joel, like you that are going and into the fray.

00:09:23.120 What is happening today? How should Christians respond? What, cause politics and culture, 0.65

00:09:27.440 these things move quickly. Yes. And we don't not do that because we don't believe in it.

00:09:32.480 We don't not, we don't, we avoid that because we don't think that's our job. Right. Like

00:09:36.160 Joel's going to go do that. And he's going to Leroy Jenkins. For me, it has to be a quick

00:09:40.660 turnaround. So it's like something happens and it's like, dude, this, like this has legs. It

00:09:45.040 has a massive biblical import import. Um, and we can't talk about it next week. We have to talk

00:09:51.200 about it. Well, you're moving at the speed of the news cycle and you have to. Yeah. And we need

00:09:55.300 Christians, uh, and courageous men doing that well today. And you are, and then we, we just like,

00:10:01.260 we have a different job. We're over here doing that. It is, we've, we try to make it timeless

00:10:05.000 and in its application timely, but it's not timely in the, in the, we're not commenting

00:10:10.280 on current events. It's not within a 24 hour tournament. Yeah. So that's what we try to do

00:10:14.560 at New Christendom Press. We, we have a lot of fun doing it, but really we're also very grounded in

00:10:21.540 the, the Christian borough that the Lord is building in Ogden, Utah. So we focused on the

00:10:27.160 church and the community around that with all of its components. And that is our first job.

00:10:32.540 600 people or so at this point with your church. Yeah. A Sunday attendance is in the 500 so that,

00:10:37.260 You know, with, when a, when a virus moves through the church, it's, you know, it's 497

00:10:42.280 of those are children.

00:10:43.460 So all of us get sick and there's eight people at church, but yeah, and that's doubled in

00:10:48.780 the last two years for sure.

00:10:50.440 So growing and that's, we have a great team of godly men with alongside on the elder team

00:10:58.080 and serving as deacons as well that just do a phenomenal job, high caliber guys.

00:11:03.060 We've got Pastor Griffin, Counseling, Pastor Love, Headmaster of our school.

00:11:09.220 Pastor Poorman just came on and went through elder candidacy and was ordained.

00:11:14.180 Pastor Garrett, who co-hosts Haunted Cosmos with me.

00:11:17.860 Just a great team of guys.

00:11:19.880 And that is the primary work that we do.

00:11:22.780 Everything else, we love New Christendom Press.

00:11:24.520 We put a lot into it.

00:11:25.940 But we tell people all the time, like, that's our CV.

00:11:29.820 That's our proof of concept.

00:11:31.920 you shouldn't listen to us about any of this other stuff if if this isn't working and you

00:11:36.860 can't look there and it looks better the closer you get to it so that is our central just love

00:11:42.320 and focus and everything else we're even thinking even with the law something like the longhouse

00:11:47.660 book how could we write a book and put together a resource that would equip our people to live well 0.75

00:11:53.100 right now and to figure this thing out called feminism and how to relate to it how to think 0.78

00:11:58.200 about it historically and practically and politically and economically and ecclesiastically 0.58

00:12:01.700 and socially and all these things and so you'll note that in a lot of our resources that they

00:12:07.120 have the stamp of just we want our people to thrive and so we think that because of that

00:12:15.200 they'll help a lot of other people to thrive as well but they're very much working outward from

00:12:20.160 that center for us right yeah so that's what we're doing a three-part series with brian and eric on

00:12:25.860 The Longhouse, which also happens to be the title of a brand new book that at the time of this

00:12:31.460 episode's release, you guys will already be in pre-orders and the book will be actually released

00:12:37.420 ready to ship on what day? Right around about the second week of October. Our warehouse team

00:12:44.020 is doesn't have the exact to the minute yet, but that's our projected. It hits our warehouse and

00:12:49.100 we start shipping it right. If you want to order a book, I have it on good authority. Some of the

00:12:53.380 details of the book, this is well-documented. It's highly footnoted. So receipts are being brought

00:12:58.260 dates, times, names. Um, many of them, the names, you know, being kind of like a Goldstein or,

00:13:04.440 you know, uh, some of the usual characters, right. But that's just, you know, it's, it's not by your

00:13:10.360 fault, but just that's the historic record. Uh, but the long house is the name of the book. It's

00:13:14.420 a nice high quality, a hardcover copy. It's 400 pages in length. It's well-documented and it's

00:13:21.140 available now. It's $30, but well worth the money. It's available at what website?

00:13:27.040 newchristendompress.com slash longhouse, or just go to newchristendompress and you'll see it there.

00:13:32.700 10% off during pre-orders automatically. Don't need a coupon code. And during the pre-order as

00:13:37.900 well, Eric and I are going to sign the first thousand copies. So right now you still have

00:13:42.600 a chance to pre-order the book and you're only a month out from the shipping. And the reason why

00:13:46.820 it matters is you'll probably get a slight discount, right? With the pre-orders. So one,

00:13:52.240 you'll get 10% off to your copy will be signed and three, it'll be out for shipping within a month

00:13:58.640 because at the point of the release of this episode, the release of the book, that's about

00:14:02.420 the time in between. Um, but it also does matter as like you ordering that book is low effort as

00:14:08.160 it may be. It is a labor of love for you to order the timing to order it, um, ahead of time, because

00:14:13.200 there is an upfront cost because you guys are not just producing slop on amazon because you're

00:14:19.220 actually wanting to be not just authors but a publishing house you're trying to you're using

00:14:24.820 your own people your own labor your own resources to print the book and to ship the book and all

00:14:30.580 these different things which means that the cost to you guys is up front and so if nobody pre-orders

00:14:35.780 it's not just that you miss out on the opportunity for yourself to get a signed copy and 10 off

00:14:40.520 but it also means that you guys have to fit the bill without being able to mitigate or offset that

00:14:45.460 at all um and just in terms of cash flow just speaking honestly like that it is a burden so

00:14:51.620 the more of you guys who pre-order the book it actually helps you guys in your future endeavors

00:14:56.320 to be able to do high quality works of of of writing in the future to say you know what

00:15:02.540 we've got a loyal audience we won't have to fit the bill entirely on our own because they'll come

00:15:07.380 alongside us in the pre-order stage and and so that i i would imagine if i was you guys doing

00:15:13.520 a publishing house that would actually set my um my expectations of like how many books we can

00:15:20.640 actually write yeah yeah it we put in terms of the the length of time and effort the books for us

00:15:29.240 are they're the highest effort yes highest attention to detail and we because of that

00:15:35.540 with razor thin profit margins. Books are like, if you're ever trying to start a company and be

00:15:41.360 profitable, books are not the way to do it. No, no, don't. There are easier ways to make money,

00:15:46.860 I would say, than books. But we don't do it because we said this is going to be the best

00:15:52.420 way to make money. We really believe these are some of the most important types of things that

00:15:56.840 can exist. Good media that put, you know, the right book at the right time can change the

00:16:02.140 history of a nation and everything that comes from it. Um, and, and we're praying like it's,

00:16:06.920 it's frankly absurd of us to pray this way, but we pray all the time. Like, Lord, would you please

00:16:13.200 bless them? Because we believe it's so important and so, and true. And like, this is one of the

00:16:17.720 most important things the West can figure out right now is feminism. We just pray, Lord, would 1.00

00:16:22.880 you put this into the hands of the right people that it could genuinely influence the, the,

00:16:29.500 the politicians and the senators and the congressmen and the judges and the

00:16:34.000 businessmen. And it would, would you, Lord, would you do that?

00:16:37.020 Cause I mean, we can do our thing. We can talk about it and promote it.

00:16:41.900 But that's, we,

00:16:43.200 we believe that it could really have an impact like that if the Lord,

00:16:45.860 if it pleases God to do that. So yeah.

00:16:48.780 I think shifting the Overton window, which Joel, your conference. Yeah.

00:16:53.820 We hope that we'll be there.

00:16:55.420 So you guys are going to be, so the book is the long house,

00:16:57.480 but you guys are going to be at our conference. It's the, the 2026 NXR studios conference. It's

00:17:02.540 crisis King America after Trump. Both of you are going to be there. It's happening November 12th,

00:17:07.280 13th and 14th. And you're going to be speaking on this topic of feminism, the long house,

00:17:11.900 those kinds of things. That's part of why I invited you guys to be there, but kind of syncing

00:17:16.500 up both the conference and the book I wanted to offer as a special promotion that if you use

00:17:22.480 longhouse all caps one word longhouse as the promo code and register for our conference um nxr studios

00:17:29.020 is going to buy um a number of books from you guys from new christian press and so for anybody who's

00:17:36.540 willing to come to the conference meet you guys hear you talk about this live in person this

00:17:41.720 concept of the longhouse why it has to be burned to the ground um people can register with 20 off

00:17:47.000 so you actually you'll save 50 bucks from 250 down to 200 and in addition to that we will um

00:17:53.680 nxr will purchase from ncp hardcover copies of the longhouse book and we will give you a free copy

00:18:00.140 it's amazing so so go to new christian right.com forward slash conference new christian right.com

00:18:06.640 forward slash conference use promo code longhouse all caps one word get 20 off and a free hardcover

00:18:13.220 copy of the long house. And so that'll help you guys boost your books. It also helps us to get

00:18:18.300 guys out to hear you live in person at our conference. And we'll sign those, whatever's

00:18:22.520 coming through the promo code. We'll make sure those are signed copies. Perfect. All right. So

00:18:26.240 episode one was defining what is the long house and we don't have time to recap that. So go back

00:18:33.020 if you haven't already and listen to the first episode that's already live and publicly available,

00:18:37.740 but this is going to be the history, the history of the long house, the history of feminism. And

00:18:42.160 I want to start with you, Eric, because you've spent a lot of time on this, on this topic and

00:18:46.700 not just getting to the biblical principles that are fundamental and why it's so pernicious and

00:18:51.020 why it's so destructive to societies as a whole, but you've really tracked a lot of the dates and 0.61

00:18:56.100 the places and the persons involved in how did feminism catch such a wave, such, such momentum

00:19:03.560 in the first place. And one of the things that you hear people constantly saying is, well, yeah,

00:19:07.620 or, you know, like I admit we got a bit carried away, third wave feminism, certainly fourth wave, 0.96

00:19:13.900 you know, tranny feminism or fifth wave strangle your three children feminism. Like, you know, 1.00

00:19:19.720 at some point, like we, you know, it's a bit too much, but people will still insist blue in the

00:19:25.140 face that first wave or second wave are not only permissible, but they were necessary and really

00:19:32.700 important. So can you take us back to, you know, what was first wave feminism? When was

00:19:37.540 first away who are some of the people involved and why was that already the train being derailed

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00:22:04.400 can save 10 off by using promo code nxr yeah i mean it's such a big thing i mean we we track it

00:22:11.980 in the book but you even have modern sort of christians who are i call them crypto feminists

00:22:17.580 but they will purport to be conservatives and one of them it would be like lila rose 0.99

00:22:22.240 who does some good work but one of the things that she repeatedly says on her show 0.99

00:22:27.440 she's repeatedly posted on x is something like first wave feminism that they were the ogs they

00:22:34.760 did a lot of good for women so one of the ideas with the book was just let's go back and research

00:22:40.280 it let's go back that's true yeah is that true let's see what the first wave taught and so 0.74

00:22:45.760 really a lot of feminists would even point to somebody like mary wolstencraft this is going 1.00

00:22:51.240 to be like in the 1790s era pre first wave so post enlightenment but during the era of the 1.00

00:22:57.960 French Revolution and you look at somebody like that and you say well what what did she actually

00:23:02.520 teach and of course her her very famous daughter is Mary Shelley Shelley who wrote Frankenstein

00:23:09.240 but Mary Wilson's craft is basically writing at the time against Edmund Burke against some of the

00:23:16.360 traditional principles of conservatism. She's very much a pro-French revolutionary. And these

00:23:22.540 people are really trying to usurp God's natural order, even at that time period. There's a lot

00:23:29.280 of sexual licentiousness. You know, Brian and I, we've laughed about this, just the number of

00:23:34.840 illicit sexual polyamorous relationships that the woman was involved with.

00:23:41.160 didn't mary wilson craft propose to the a married couple hey could i become a thruple with you

00:23:46.900 yeah she did and this is pre like this is not the 20th century no and she was like there's part of

00:23:54.100 the reason she ends up going to france during the french revolution is because they declined her

00:23:59.980 offer to enter a thruple and the wife is like yeah actually usually not you can't hang around 0.75

00:24:04.700 my husband out anymore because that's actually really really bad because you want to have sex 0.98

00:24:09.280 with him yes which is like that's that's a reasonable line there's there's lesbianism 0.82

00:24:13.920 involved with it as well so she goes to france during the french revolution it's this weird

00:24:20.340 mix like she's horrified by the bloodshed she sees marie antoinette uh all the proceedings

00:24:26.520 where she's you know killed the king is killed and she's waiting literally waiting through the

00:24:32.200 streets in blood uh but she comes away from it and she says you know i think the answer to this

00:24:36.540 is more sexual licentiousness so she falls in with gilbert imlay who's like this i think american

00:24:43.360 yeah like sort of traveler adventurer philanderer yeah public figure as a kid you know things fall

00:24:51.560 out she ends up back in england gets remarried and that whole story is just sort of like this 0.99

00:24:57.640 seed of feminism yep mary wilsoncraft she wrote the declaration of the rights of women or some

00:25:04.160 Something like that. I might have the title not exactly right. But these are, you know, at this time period, this pre first wave, first wave feminism starts in formally Seneca Falls, 1848 and middle of the 1800s through the suffragette movement and women gaining the right to vote with the 19th Amendment. 0.87

00:25:23.280 Before that, there was groundwork being laid surrounding this nexus of ideas that had began to gain prominence in the Western world through the Enlightenment.

00:25:36.340 And it was basically people getting bored with Christianity, throwing off the Christian order that had built the West to that date, saying, well, what if we did rationalism?

00:25:48.420 What if we did all, you know, all the enlightenment thinking, what if we rethought the foundations instead of God, the creator created nature and wrote the book of scripture to teach us how to live and who we are and what we're for and what the man and the woman are and how they should relate in families.

00:26:04.380 what if that's all outmoded and actually the source of suffering? And then you get into ideas

00:26:11.120 like, what if sexual restriction is actually the source of a lot of man's problems? And really what

00:26:18.720 he needs is, he just needs to be unbounded sexually and explore his sexual self and explore her 0.92

00:26:25.100 sexual self. And it's no coincidence that during this time you have another contemporary, Marquis

00:26:33.360 Assad, who is one of, I mean, if you go read his book, I think it's 120 Days in Sodom or something

00:26:39.240 like that. It's not actually like a recommended read. Don't actually don't do it. We had to look

00:26:45.100 up words for what some of them meant, like coprophilia. It's like the sexual desire aroused

00:26:52.560 by fecal matter. Yeah. So he's, he, Marquis Assad is where we get the word. Yeah. Super. Where we 0.83

00:26:59.620 get the word sadism from like torture sex and and i really i apologize these are disgusting things 0.87

00:27:05.960 that we shouldn't have to talk about but these kind of degenerates when you go all the way to 0.84

00:27:11.240 the headwaters of feminism yeah they're at the headwaters the spring bubbling up from the ground 0.98

00:27:16.900 that rolls down the hills and collects the tributaries and becomes whether you want to

00:27:22.280 call it late third wave or fourth wave, tranification, full DEI, full woke, full

00:27:28.480 sexual fluidity. There's 77 genders on Facebook and, you know, tranny flag with the pedophile 0.96

00:27:34.340 colors. So this is, it's the same river from that spring. Right. This is so important for the 1.00

00:27:39.160 listener to understand what I hear you saying is it's not just that we got carried away and it's 0.98

00:27:44.080 not that feminism started out with, you know, some good intentions and even like some pure first

00:27:49.400 principles and then was perverted what i hear you saying is that like the most um obscure and

00:27:55.840 licentious forms and expressions of feminism that are the most heinous in our society today the

00:28:01.400 people who authored the first wave of feminism were talking about those as the ideal with intent

00:28:07.520 of this is what we want to accomplish it was baked into the pie from the very beginning into the 0.85

00:28:12.100 hundred percent and then it it transfers really from mary wilson craft to her daughter mary

00:28:16.600 Shelley, who marries Wolfson, Wolfson, Wolfson, Wolfson, Wolfson.

00:28:20.280 What's the origin of that?

00:28:22.920 Beats me, Joel.

00:28:24.120 OK.

00:28:25.140 Yeah.

00:28:25.580 So she really is picking up these French revolutionary ideals.

00:28:30.000 There's a lot of Jacobinism that's mixed in with this.

00:28:33.980 And again, Marquis de Sade will figure prominently.

00:28:37.480 So, you know, fast forward, you get to the father of the sexual revolution, Wilhelm Reich,

00:28:42.320 Like, even to Gloria Steinem, they're all citing, you know, Desaad.

00:28:47.960 Like, they're all talking about him as sort of—and in America, the Kinsey Institute, he attributes a lot of his work to Wilhelm Reich.

00:28:55.640 There's some departures in ideology, but he'll attribute it a lot to Marquis Desaad as well.

00:29:01.420 So, Desaad, it's interesting because during the Revolution, he's in prison. 0.98

00:29:06.260 and this is crude but like basically all he does is writes these porn novels and masturbates 0.90

00:29:12.920 so that's his whole life and that's not like made up and and then he works his way he gets 0.79

00:29:19.240 released from prison and he finds his way into the french government of course which i'm somewhat

00:29:25.760 french that's a classic and i just want to say from the bottom of my heart i'm so sorry

00:29:31.220 yes so sorry so then this transfers uh wolson craft her ideals french revolution marquis de

00:29:37.300 sod by the time you get to percy shelley he's an avowed atheist i mean most of these people were

00:29:42.660 but he dabbles in the occult and so when he falls in with mary shelley he actually

00:29:48.960 some people would argue he pays off mary shelley's father and buys her and her sister to be a

00:29:57.960 traveling harem so they're in this three-way relationship they get deeply involved with the

00:30:03.620 romantic movement and the romantic poets but shelley is the one who really introduces the

00:30:08.520 occult and things like incest he believed uh according to a lot of illuminati practices

00:30:16.340 adam weistop from germany they believe that if you committed incest somehow you release this

00:30:23.840 like dark promethean energy this is why frankenstein mary shelley will write the book but

00:30:29.580 percy is you know heavily influential in the dark occult arts remaking man can we say though just

00:30:36.560 for a moment you said like somehow you know as though it's far-fetched but i know that you don't

00:30:42.240 actually believe that because the world is not just stuff and when we think of yeah when we think

00:30:47.040 of um powerful and yet at the same time evil individuals it would be you know there would be

00:30:53.980 an obscure extreme minority uh but throughout all of human history you always have kind of top of

00:31:00.060 the top um powerful people some of them are good but some of them are bad and and those that are

00:31:04.680 bad um often are attempting they're making real intentional strides to commune with demons and it

00:31:10.840 seems as though the currency the transactional currency to commune with demons real demons that

00:31:15.420 give real power yes um is always blood and semen yeah that's correct right i mean so like this idea

00:31:22.480 of like incest opening up some kind of demonic portal like it's also i just want to i want to

00:31:27.220 say that's that's actually it's it's wicked it's disgusting but it's not crazy no and in fact freud

00:31:33.560 believes similar things he has an incestuous relationship with his sister-in-law 0.99

00:31:37.600 um abortion adam weistoff will have an illicit sexual relationship um and then they kill the

00:31:45.720 child wow so this is going on but the illuminati stuff is basically like the original jeffrey 0.82

00:31:50.880 epstein his whole idea was if you could infiltrate the aristocracy and people of power

00:31:56.080 you could entrap them and elicit sexual relationships and then you could use that

00:32:02.200 information against them to manipulate and control them but not in america because in our case with

00:32:07.880 epstein like we we got all of them ladies and gentlemen we got right and we and we held them

00:32:13.020 to account there's been like yeah there's a rest right yeah joel we've got them all the demons

00:32:18.080 have been cast out in the news oh it's wild go ahead sorry yeah so then the shelley's are really

00:32:23.920 like an amplification yes um percy shelley will even write i think it's prometheus unchained

00:32:30.200 and that frankenstein is frankenstein a modern prometheus is the subtitle so the prometheus

00:32:35.300 myth if you're familiar what is it real quick i am and we'll get to that but um remind me

00:32:41.140 and the listener what does the monster represent in in frankenstein what was the idea there it was

00:32:47.700 a metaphor wasn't it well there's a couple like e michael jones has quite a bit of thought on this

00:32:52.940 so he basically says it's like this is you can think of even like transgenders but it's like

00:32:59.300 a remade man but what does the monster do in the story it comes back and it strangles victor 0.97

00:33:05.380 frankenstein's bride on the wedding night yes so it actually kills family marriage devours sex

00:33:11.220 its own creator so it's like e michael jones i think is right it's sort of like a guilty admission

00:33:17.860 of where this all leads to you know later we'll talk about andrew isker brought this up but um

00:33:23.740 That transgenderism is the apotheosis of feminism, of making war with nature. 0.97

00:33:30.200 So Percy Shelley is he actually wrote a book, I think, at Oxford on atheism. 1.00

00:33:34.920 He gets into the occult.

00:33:37.000 He starts moving down that line.

00:33:38.860 But in some of his poetry, he's writing reverse of Paradise Lost with John Milton.

00:33:45.580 And this is where later Elizabeth Cady Stanton will pick this up.

00:33:49.300 But this is where he's talking about how woman is the hero, the revolutionary hero who partners with the ultimate revolutionary, who's Satan, to destroy this natural order, which they view as oppressive.

00:34:03.280 The other key point is they really manipulated like Newtonian science and physics. 0.68

00:34:09.480 There was this obsession with electricity where they thought through electricity, we can basically subvert the entire creational order.

00:34:17.580 so hence frankenstein you can make this man well but of course it doesn't really go the way that

00:34:23.760 it's intended and so there's all this crazy stuff you can read a lot of this in the book we go into

00:34:28.740 a lot of detail but like percy shelley's first wife he commits adultery with mary shelley his

00:34:34.560 first wife he has children with her she kills herself and and then you know there's all these

00:34:40.000 miscarriages with mary shelley and all these illegitimate pregnancies and it ends up being 0.67

00:34:44.960 like all these women are suicidal. Mary Wilson craft tried to kill herself.

00:34:48.580 You have any, and this is not even first wave feminism. No, 1.00

00:34:52.320 this is the proto feminism that influenced. 1.00

00:34:55.840 And these were the heroes of the first wave feminists. Right. 1.00

00:34:58.920 It's all that by the time you get to first wave feminism with Elizabeth

00:35:02.480 Cady Stanton and other cast of characters, Eric can talk about more, um,

00:35:06.760 the, to, to put a point to it,

00:35:09.560 Elizabeth Cady Stanton writes the women's Bible on a desk that is

00:35:14.200 allegedly a desk where she heard the spirits tapping it's a spirit table and it's at the

00:35:18.840 smithsonian it's so woven together with occultism and spiritualism along with the like is it seen

00:35:24.700 or is it in the back room of the smithsonian along with the giant bones yes it's you can go see it

00:35:29.620 no i think you're pretty proud and on this desk she writes the women's bible that portrays eve

00:35:33.960 as the hero so she even saying she writes it's the declaration of sentiments um and so actually

00:35:40.640 frederick douglas is there at seneca falls 1848 it's by the time you get there they've been

00:35:46.000 reading frederick douglas yeah he was in support yeah he was there yeah he gave a speech in support

00:35:51.460 yeah it seems like if i may be so bold but it's my show so um i can do it but blacks jews and women

00:35:59.580 yeah well you'll actually see that as a through line actually throughout all the research that's

00:36:03.840 what i'm saying like civil rights or like at all these points it's like there's like you know like

00:36:08.600 a captain planet situation it's like our powers can bind you know we we make you know captain

00:36:14.580 destroy all of western civilization captain egalitarianism right and it's and it's not that

00:36:19.360 any of those three people are inherently bad in their own right or on their own including jews 0.71

00:36:24.820 orthodox jews if we're talking religion like judaism is a false religion it believes jesus 0.98

00:36:29.100 is in hell we we despise it we despise judaism but a jew can by the grace of god convert to 0.97

00:36:34.200 christianity blacks of course women of course you know so like we love all three of these people 0.93

00:36:38.700 groups yeah but it does seem more than just coincidence that these three groups of people

00:36:44.360 especially in american history yeah have kind of at the worst times with the introduction of the

00:36:49.600 worst things always seem to form some kind of alliance there's a huge tie between the slavery

00:36:55.100 abolition movement yes and the women's suffrage that's that's what i was that's kind of what i'm

00:37:00.400 getting at because more people are becoming aware of like civil rights timeline you know so like

00:37:04.260 mid 20th century and there's a bullshit there's a bolshevik connection as well right so people

00:37:08.680 like they more people are privy to that even charlie kirk god bless him you know he did a

00:37:12.720 full 180 as many of us did you know we just got to see his transition in real time because he was

00:37:17.820 such a public figure for so long but god bless him having the humility to to do a full 180 on

00:37:23.720 martin luther king yeah and say you know michael luther king like it wasn't even his real name

00:37:27.660 um this guy um or martin michael king or whatever um was funded by jewish bolshevik marxist and so 0.59

00:37:36.100 right there you have that that kind of like the black guy is really the puppet you know and he's 0.52

00:37:40.460 actually serving you know and arguably the you know our own government shot him you know fbi or

00:37:45.460 cia and those kinds of things so people are more privy to that but i really found it fascinating

00:37:49.940 i'm not just asking i'm not just doing the tucker carlson he was like really but he actually already

00:37:54.220 knows you know like yeah i'm not just doing the colombo you know feigning you know ignorance um

00:37:58.740 i find it fascinating it's my first time hearing this um that i knew the the martin luther king

00:38:04.640 bolshevik you know jewish alliance i did not know the the jewish uh frederick douglas it's like yep

00:38:11.640 it's like the same thing it's almost like history doesn't repeat but it rhymes yeah betty fredan is

00:38:16.620 is born betty naomi goldstein really shulamith firestone is the lesbian daughter of uh orthodox

00:38:23.560 really live check real quick on that like yeah and this is wikipedia stuff this isn't like deep

00:38:28.560 lore on an like a 4chan thread like this is just go to the wikipedia it's just straightforwardly

00:38:33.640 what happened even even by the time you get to betty for dan for example the people who like

00:38:39.040 friends of hers who write her biography they're like yeah she wasn't a feminist per se just in

00:38:46.440 like feminism she was a marxist revolutionary who was trained in marxist tactics the agitator

00:38:54.700 yeah like if you look at her early how to disrupt yes similarly to a lot of the the allegations

00:38:59.900 about rosa parks yes it's it's an analogous kind of thing you'll find this throughout and i used to

00:39:05.020 we we had you got it i mean it's like game recognized game you know what i mean like

00:39:09.200 used to we at least had respectable marxists but we went from rosa parks to rosa farts you know so

00:39:14.380 And now it's like, now it's like we're pulling our pants down and, you know, and letting it rip on the bus.

00:39:18.880 You know, it's a different level.

00:39:20.020 Like they don't make Marxists like they used to.

00:39:22.280 What's crazy is we didn't put that in the book.

00:39:24.640 We might have to delay it now.

00:39:26.540 That line will get that one.

00:39:27.960 Yeah.

00:39:28.420 But yeah, the other, the other tie, I think, to the occult, if you go back to Elizabeth Cady Stanton, why is the occult so attractive?

00:39:36.200 And part of it, early Marxists said this. 0.99

00:39:38.780 They said, well, number one, particularly white women are easy to manipulate. 1.00

00:39:42.980 okay but the other one was for caddy stanton the reason she writes a women's bible 1.00

00:39:49.680 is because america is a patriarchal nation at that point women are forbidden 1.00

00:39:55.160 from preaching the word of god per paul's teaching right but then we burden them with literacy 0.65

00:40:01.560 yeah so i want how is joel more hated than us so so then you have these women who through the occult

00:40:10.800 all of a sudden now have a voice

00:40:13.340 to be speaking to the

00:40:14.840 spiritual. Yeah, for the first time

00:40:17.260 in American history. And so part of her

00:40:19.000 women's Bible is like, you know,

00:40:20.960 rejecting all the patriarchal passages,

00:40:22.760 which is funny, too, because Katie

00:40:24.760 Stanton, she will say the Bible is

00:40:26.920 explicitly patriarchal. 0.97

00:40:29.100 God bless. And that's why I need to rewrite

00:40:30.940 it. Yeah. So, but the

00:40:32.860 occult game. That's what I'm saying. You got to respect

00:40:34.720 game, recognize game. You got to respect the

00:40:36.660 original, you know, Marxist

00:40:38.380 and just the raw honesty.

00:40:40.800 because i really do prefer that in many ways to like owen strand who's also a marxist and and

00:40:46.740 also a feminist um but he would say like he wouldn't have he wouldn't have the intellectual

00:40:52.540 odd and uh honesty that just the the courtesy yeah like i appreciate courtesy the courtesy to

00:40:58.540 say like i'm a feminist and i'm twisting the word of god you know yeah like she at least did that

00:41:04.160 she was like here's the bible unadulterated it's explicitly patriarchal we got to do something

00:41:08.480 clearly we can't have that right yeah like i appreciate that and we hate it so they get into

00:41:12.560 all this spiritualism uh spirit tables uh talking to dead spirits that sort of thing by the way a

00:41:19.140 lot of this is actually cataloged in like more modern versions of miss magazine which gloria

00:41:23.920 steinem founded and they will talk about how the early first wave feminists were all under the 0.86

00:41:28.840 occult which is um the the guys in salem actually i think had a point there was legitimate uh 0.96

00:41:35.760 obsession with the occult, with these strange women. Well, what happens is over time in the

00:41:40.980 1800s, Stanton and others, Susan B. Anthony, they get where they're infiltrating larger,

00:41:49.100 mostly liberal at the time, ecclesiastical bodies. So there are liberal ministers who are willing to

00:41:56.300 give them the time of day. And a lot of the problem with what was going on is most of the

00:42:01.340 churches were full of women by then especially if you're of the unitarian northern bent like more 0.91

00:42:06.640 women than men yeah more women than men and so if there are male ministers they still have to start

00:42:11.340 catering to this female audience so theology is out the window and in comes emotionalism so there's

00:42:18.560 a lot of currents going on in the 1800s we'll fast forward and and then stanton will partner

00:42:23.920 with victoria woodhull who's the first real quick this is going on in the 1800s what what is the

00:42:28.580 relation um time-wise between that and the second great awakening a lot of it is concurrent yeah so

00:42:36.760 a lot of these influences are shaping each other by the way a lot of it the spirit tables all that

00:42:41.080 is going on in like upstate new york so same thing with mormonism um in these charles finney

00:42:47.220 in these weird i mean genuinely weird probably occult experiences in the woods um same time

00:42:54.480 frame. It's also the time frame when dispensationalism hits New York, New York City

00:42:59.800 mainly. Yeah, 18. With Schofield Darby stuff going on. Wow. So it's all making waves in New York at

00:43:07.120 the time. And then concurrently, a lot of these people are actually in connection, speaking with

00:43:14.000 Marx and the Bolshevik revolutions that are going on in Europe. So I mentioned Victoria Woodhull,

00:43:20.260 first woman to run for president. She starts working with Stanton. Later, they have a fallout 0.99

00:43:24.160 but woodhill is the first woman she was in europe working with the marxists she's the first woman

00:43:29.720 to translate the communist manifesto into like american english so right it's originally published

00:43:36.500 in 1848 in london and you look at the time frame and you're like wow all these people are working

00:43:41.160 together and they all seem to have sort of the same agenda now bear in mind a lot of these people

00:43:47.200 like you mentioned like the blacks and the women working together there is a huge rift at this 0.85

00:43:52.440 point because a lot of the women are like yeah i don't think blacks should get the vote and they

00:43:57.080 were also they saw that the political success of abolitionism was going to precede the political

00:44:03.480 success of suffrage of the women's movement basically so they they recognized that they

00:44:08.760 were going to have to form their own movement they couldn't just ride abolition to women's

00:44:13.360 suffrage and all their their end goal and really the total dissolution of the male female order in

00:44:17.840 the in the society so they did they had some friction and ended up having to do their own

00:44:23.200 thing in order to succeed so these two movements abolition of slavery and the suffragettes were

00:44:29.960 you're saying they were opposed to one another not opposed they found ways to work together i

00:44:34.740 just think there were tension points along the way eventually yeah you'll get frederick douglas

00:44:39.820 who's actually helping out and they're they start working together more but you could fast forward

00:44:44.640 as a case study to look at how the Blacks and the Jews

00:44:47.520 worked together in the 60s.

00:44:49.380 And since then, they've had a lot of fallout, right?

00:44:51.680 Yeah.

00:44:52.280 Right.

00:44:52.580 So it's like, we work together, we accomplish these things.

00:44:55.120 We sort of have the same political ends.

00:44:56.920 They seem to dovetail at this point. 1.00

00:44:59.040 But then later, like, why is it that Black comedians 0.97

00:45:02.160 will roast Jews like Dave Chappelle? 0.99

00:45:04.220 Right. 0.90

00:45:04.620 Because those cultures have had sort of a falling out.

00:45:07.780 And so that was going on too.

00:45:09.580 I'm part of it.

00:45:10.080 I mean, even, you know, like, just not my own opinion,

00:45:13.340 but just citing guys like dave chappelle or even you know professional athletes in the nfl or nba

00:45:19.140 like a lot of them what they'll say um and this isn't just like kanye west which for the record

00:45:24.860 i think kanye west is no you've got like kyrie irving and guys like that is is sharp like i

00:45:31.480 understand he says some crazy things but he's not an idiot but i'm saying you can look beyond him

00:45:35.860 and it's kind of a reoccurring theme from your dave chappelle's and stuff like we talk about

00:45:39.580 the falling out part of what they would cite as a reason for that falling out successful you know 0.56

00:45:45.200 famous black individuals is um that wherever you find a rich black man you still find a jew up above 0.92

00:45:51.880 him making money off of him you know like like well the recording industry record yeah so with 0.94

00:45:56.820 hip-hop it's like it's jewish record labels and so it's like yeah we'll let you know 50 cent or 0.97

00:46:02.020 whatever we'll let him be a millionaire but you bet your bottom dollar there's a jew who's a 0.96

00:46:05.700 billionaire. So I think that's part of the frustration. Yeah. And it's important too, 1.00

00:46:10.380 I think, as you read these movements, not to have like a myopic view, like it is a complex

00:46:15.160 relationship between them. But the one thing we can say is that you have Marxism and forms of

00:46:21.200 Bolshevism working together with the women's movement. And I think they both kind of come 0.77

00:46:25.960 to the same conclusion. You know, Frederick Ingalls in the late 1800s will write a book

00:46:31.640 against patriarchy and he says in that book like it's you know he's like calling the shot about

00:46:38.000 what they're about to do in the in the 20th century but he says in that book look if you

00:46:42.880 want to destroy the west you have to destroy father rule you have to destroy the patriarchy

00:46:48.080 and so then later people will obviously pick that up with uh Gloria Steinem also Jewish

00:46:55.620 uh betty for dan goldstein right and and by the way that that's another thing that we discuss in

00:47:01.860 the book is the historical involvement of revolutionary jews in the movement because

00:47:08.680 would you say it's disproportionate oh absolutely yeah and the thing is so you look at the movement

00:47:14.920 and you start going to wikipedia and you start just reading like library books about this and

00:47:21.140 you're like Brian and I were joking about it because it's like I didn't go looking for that

00:47:25.900 no and in fact my tendency when I hear a claim that the Jews did it the first thing I try to do

00:47:32.800 is disprove it yeah just prove like this is either selection bias or there's some there's something

00:47:37.020 going on here we're confirmation bias we're really playing like part oh well let's curate all the 0.87

00:47:43.220 Jews and then pretend like nobody else did it but really I mean and it's funny because someone like 0.75

00:47:48.540 dennis prager who is like a normie conservative commentator who is himself a jew said hey i mean 0.88

00:47:57.140 you look at almost every ism that arose other than nazism and he lists them feminism they were all

00:48:05.980 communism not exclusively but disproportionately led by jews or they're involved in very highly

00:48:13.920 fairly disproportional ways. Yeah. With civil rights, um, you have Jewish lawyers obviously

00:48:18.780 working on the, the funny thing is, uh, like, I think I'm saying the name, right. But Batya

00:48:23.140 Unger Sargon, she, she kind of like popped off on the internet, got famous. I think it was 2025

00:48:28.040 because she, she was complaining about how there's been a rift between the Jews and the left. And so

00:48:34.500 she goes on this, uh, short rant and she basically says like everything that's leftist in America,

00:48:40.800 we built that the jews yeah how dare we did that how dare you kick us off the left like the new

00:48:47.080 deal civil rights it's all us so they'll actually brag about it right so you look at that and you 0.97

00:48:53.160 say okay not every person involved in those movements obviously was jewish but predominantly 0.65

00:48:57.580 the leadership the the funding the people at the top you get to heart seller immigration

00:49:02.640 which we talked about in episode one emmanuel seller is a jew even in of the civil rights it's

00:49:09.000 Jewish lawyers, Jewish lawyers, to your point about Martin Luther King Jr. Jewish lawyers are

00:49:14.220 doing the legal work behind the scenes. And then they're not the front, they're not the face, 0.96

00:49:19.120 but they're saying, hey, we can from backseat drive and very much did drive. Yeah. And even

00:49:25.100 Roman Catholics, E. Michael Jones is one of them, but they've documented the early 60s and 70s

00:49:30.620 abortion laws that were passed. And the doctors doing the abortions were predominantly Jewish.

00:49:36.500 Well, I mean, we've heard that countless times that abortion is a Jewish sacrament. 0.99

00:49:41.340 Yeah, they will say that. 1.00

00:49:42.300 Right. Like the line of argument against pro-life policies is that it's not just that women have a biological right, you know, my body, my choice, but they actually argue from a religious standpoint.

00:49:54.500 They say that abortion is a deeply spiritual religious sacrament.

00:49:59.380 And so you're actually, by having pro-life policies and limiting, not even abolishing, which I would like to abolish, but just by mitigating the number of abortions that can take place, you're actually, this is actually religious persecution.

00:50:13.400 You're anti-Semitic.

00:50:14.400 Against Judaism, yeah. 1.00

00:50:15.880 Yeah, that's exactly right. 0.92

00:50:16.900 One of the things, too, I think that Jones points out that's really helpful, he'll trace the whole movement in his book, Libido Dominandi.

00:50:23.580 but basically by exposing a populace to sexual vice you gain political control over them and so

00:50:32.000 i think for all of us it's it's whoever's doing it right um you ought to look at it and you say

00:50:39.080 do i want to be oppressed and ruled by people who are exposing me to sexual vice so that they can

00:50:45.760 politically control me that's what the french revolution was about but it's also what the

00:50:50.500 sexual revolution was about in america and again you look at those movements and what did they

00:50:55.140 affect political control yeah you have they did that you have wilhelm reich who's born in the late

00:51:00.880 1800s i think 1897 and he is he's the father of the sexual revolution he has some really obscure

00:51:09.000 strange theories about things like orgone energy it's all sex everything's sex all the way down

00:51:14.360 he's kind of like robert california in the office a little bit in that way and he's like too radical

00:51:19.620 for the critical theorist at the time and you have this in freud and this taking root in the west and

00:51:25.620 in the frankfurt school this is all uh now you know leading in involved in the first wave but

00:51:31.760 by the time yeah kinsey by the time you get to the second wave essentially that was all there

00:51:37.880 underneath the first wave but not front bernard that was not their pr campaign they're running

00:51:44.160 that in the first it wasn't their optics it wasn't their tactics but it was their principles it was

00:51:48.740 their principles very much by the time you get to the second wave the sexual revolution which

00:51:53.500 just so people follow first wave feminism 1850 like 1850 mid-1800s through the women's suffrage

00:52:00.340 movement beginning of the 20th century 1920s 1920s second wave which is like abolitionism is also

00:52:06.040 also involved in that in a really funny way related to the tavern that we go into in the book but

00:52:10.600 get the book second wave feminism abolitionism there is there too you're talking about the

00:52:16.140 temperance movement yeah the temperance alcohol yeah the time did i say abolition you did i'm in

00:52:21.000 temperance movement yeah and uh second wave is the 60s the sexual revolution 60s 70s third wave

00:52:28.280 feminism is from the 90s some people argue through the present other people separate and say it's

00:52:35.060 the 90s through about 2010 when social media really kicks off and then with a huge rise in 0.99

00:52:42.200 like a full tranification of feminism, which even starts a divide in feminism from your JK Rowling 1.00

00:52:49.000 feminists from who are then labeled as TERFs, trans exclusionary radical feminists. And some 1.00

00:52:54.940 people say there's a fourth wave that's like the really pro trans post social media. And we're now

00:52:59.640 in that, but that's the landscape. Um, the, the, the Betty Goldstein, Betty for Dan, these are the

00:53:08.100 the second wave feminists that were kind of like at that point in the story to an extent eric help

00:53:12.360 me out with um because you you have this throwaway line but i think it's pretty profound and if you

00:53:18.520 could like um if you could show the audience your math you know like how you get there so you were

00:53:24.560 quoting e michael jones who i appreciate greatly yeah he's he's wrong on race and um and he

00:53:31.900 doesn't really like protestants but you know what who can who can blame him you know we've been a

00:53:37.460 little insufferable um but he's great on a lot of other issues we've had him on the show we

00:53:42.820 appreciate him very much um but that throwaway line that you that you put out there a few moments

00:53:49.060 ago where you said that introducing sexual vice became a tool for political control yeah how

00:53:56.140 show me your math yeah so predominantly first in the french revolution um they would flood the

00:54:03.580 populace with pornography. They would allow, you know, things like homosexuality, the promotion of

00:54:10.700 orgies, all this sort of stuff was going on. Obviously the writings of Marquis de Sade. 0.75

00:54:15.580 And what they just found was that as they did that, it was very easy to manipulate a person

00:54:22.000 whose conscience was seared by their sin to manipulate them for political control.

00:54:28.240 Like a symbiotic relationship or a correlation between guilt and gullibility?

00:54:33.580 I think that's part, the guilt is definitely part of it.

00:54:37.220 As a modern example, again, you can think of Epstein.

00:54:40.080 Is a politician going to be courageous on principle if he knows he has sexual dirt on him?

00:54:45.520 But if a whole populace knows that they have sexual dirt on them and they're guilty at all these points.

00:54:51.700 You have to understand that, and we talked about this in the first installment of this series,

00:54:57.640 that what we're talking about with feminism and the Longhouse and Marxism and egalitarianism,

00:55:01.820 all these different heads of the Hydra, they are a different religion. It's a foundationally

00:55:08.000 different religion. It's a different attempt. It's an attempt to basically ground all of existence 0.99

00:55:13.640 in a different grounding than the transcendental explanation of Christ

00:55:18.240 as king and the Christian faith that built the West. So in order to conquer, and this was to

00:55:24.520 your point a moment ago, they realized if they were actually going to politically conquer nations

00:55:28.860 and succeed in communism and Marxism and some of their economic aims, even that they would need

00:55:34.180 not only to persuade people of their economic policies, like, Hey, you know, this is how

00:55:41.020 classes work and capitalism's bad. And a lot of that is not even first in a first order way,

00:55:46.780 Christian theology. It's a different category of life, but they realized that if they were going

00:55:52.320 to persuade people to adopt this whole other worldview, they would have to first make them

00:55:57.500 not christian so there's this there's this there's two things and you're absolutely right number one

00:56:02.480 every false religion has a sex cult yeah that's always tied to it but if you look at the early 0.71

00:56:08.080 sacrifice sex and sacrifice yes if you look at the early jewish psychologists falling after reich and 0.66

00:56:14.620 freud and all these guys they realized something in in central europe they could argue all day with 0.50

00:56:20.920 the youth about christianity and politics and nobody like you couldn't persuade them but there's

00:56:27.140 this line in the book and i can't remember who we're quoting but he said all you have to do is 0.99

00:56:32.500 get them into sexually illicit material like pornography masturbation fornication and their 0.97

00:56:39.280 religion goes out the window yep so you know you fast forward to the frankfurt school and they said 0.99

00:56:44.420 how do we topple the cultural institutions which serve as bulwarks in america how do we do that

00:56:50.320 we expose the youth to sexually illicit content and practice that's all you have to do to 1.00

00:56:57.740 politically control a people group so it's the same thing with the feminists what did they do 0.70

00:57:01.980 for for women it's like you can have the birth control pill so you can have sex with anyone you 1.00

00:57:06.540 want without consequence and should you become pregnant you can then murder the baby right so

00:57:12.140 you're exposing them to sexual license is hugh hefner involved in this uh he actually does come

00:57:17.620 into the story uh early on with Gloria Steinem yeah really because she Gloria Steinem worked for

00:57:22.660 the CIA and she was working in like overseas in Europe in these like sort of orange revolution

00:57:30.480 student revolution movements studying how revolutions work then she comes she has you

00:57:37.100 know never has a change of heart about the CIA she always stood by said it was great working with

00:57:41.240 them she comes back to America she's kind of a nobody and then all of a sudden she has all this

00:57:46.820 funding for Miss Magazine you're like wow by the way that's odd we note this in the book but it's 0.99

00:57:52.780 really strange she comes in feminism of course through Miss Magazine makes tremendous inroads 1.00

00:57:58.880 in American culture where does the funding come from how does she get all this political capital 1.00

00:58:03.680 right away we're not really sure but she has a CIA connection Marcuse worked for the OSS

00:58:11.420 precursor herbert marcusa is one of the fathers of critical race theory as it was brought to

00:58:17.060 america via columbia university in new york which is a obviously a very jewish heavy presence even

00:58:24.320 to this day so there's a cia connection and then you have william f buckley same time period who

00:58:31.520 works for the cia starts natcon national conservatism or national uh national review

00:58:38.620 excuse me starts the magazine and then really shapes the conservative movement in this neocon

00:58:46.580 trotskyite very pro-jewish functions is kind of like a controlled opposition yes like yes i'm

00:58:52.700 conservative but the real purpose is i've been placed in this position to say you can't go

00:58:59.180 further than me and particularly with the idea that jews were essential to capture the political

00:59:07.380 right he very so he's working with irving crystal like if we're gonna have christian nationalism we 0.72

00:59:12.560 can't we can't win without the juice that's exactly and he kicked out anybody that smacked

00:59:16.500 of anti-semitism yeah john birch society and people like this this is like the paleo conservative

00:59:21.340 the reason i asked about hugh hefner real quick is because i mean he was integral in flooding you

00:59:26.320 know america young americans with sexual degeneracy but i also i can't help you know i'm not trying to

00:59:31.500 be unnecessarily um dismissive you know or or um you know derogatory but i can't help but think

00:59:41.360 like that was that was one of my inhibitions uh with trump you know and and i and i voted for

00:59:47.140 the connection multiple times but just the the sense of pride to like actually have it mounted

00:59:52.500 on your wall a picture of you and your friend you know hugh hefner yeah so that's actually how

00:59:57.320 gloria steinham's career gets kicked off stateside um is she goes undercover as a playboy bunny and

01:00:04.860 the article i think is titled a bunny's tale and you know she went in to talk about you know the

01:00:10.020 exploitation but the outflow of that article was that hugh hefner stopped requiring like

01:00:15.660 you know std testing for his bunnies and you're like how how is that a win for women

01:00:23.320 that that seems really bad so yeah that movement takes off in the 60s obviously as brian said you

01:00:30.100 get multiple waves after that but it is interesting because it's all these concurrent things like

01:00:35.860 marcusa is going to go to the university system he is really going to push like this gramsian

01:00:42.500 mark cultural marxism destroying the bulwarks of a society including religion education becomes

01:00:49.260 integral in this i know we're like doing the conspiracy chart but like you can go back to

01:00:54.760 katie stanton and she is very active as was horace mann with turning america into secular space

01:01:03.140 de-christianizing america so you could follow the stream anywhere and they're fundamentally doing

01:01:08.560 the same thing wow wow well that's a lot uh fire hose yeah i think that's it might be the longest

01:01:18.000 chapter in the book i was trying to say back to the book um if this episode does anything for the

01:01:23.960 listener this is what it accomplished for me is it just made me think i've i've got to actually

01:01:28.000 get the book because this is fascinating yeah but like so i i'm more of a conversational learner i

01:01:34.380 actually learn more listening than i do reading um especially not just when it's someone giving

01:01:38.740 a speech but when it's like like this is a setting of two or three or four guys who are sitting down

01:01:43.520 having a conversation like that, that usually gets to the questions that I have. And it helps

01:01:48.480 me to process and learn. Um, but when it comes to that, that's most categories when it comes to

01:01:54.200 like principles, but when it comes to like history, um, there really is no substitute for reading

01:01:59.960 because you actually need to be able to see, not just conversationally listen, but actually see

01:02:04.680 names, places, dates, names, places. So the whole time I was hearing you guys on this, I was already

01:02:11.140 planning on getting a book. Uh, but now I'm like, if I don't read the whole thing, I've got to read

01:02:15.880 this chapter at least just so I can actually see it. So I can do my own, you know, conspiracy chart

01:02:21.180 on the wall, you know, and connecting the yarn strings and stuff. So this was super helpful.

01:02:25.600 Remind the listeners one more time, where can they get the book? So the book, you can pick it up,

01:02:29.840 a new christened press.com slash long house. And I, I agree that section right there in the book.

01:02:37.060 I think it's chapter two that we really just went deep on is chapter two.

01:02:41.500 We talk about the rise of the longhouse in chapter one, basically what it is, what it did.

01:02:45.780 Chapter two traces the history.

01:02:47.500 And then we start to go into instances like this is what the longhouse did in the church,

01:02:52.420 in the economy, to athletics, this, you know, all these different areas of life.

01:02:57.480 And then end the book with chapter nine is how to escape the longhouse.

01:03:01.760 and chapter 10 is what you should build instead now that you're outside of the walls of the long

01:03:06.460 house but we all of it's grounded in that chapter two is so integral to understanding people don't

01:03:12.940 know that this is where all this came from that and that's so important because you need to know

01:03:18.300 who you need to know when you need to know how but you really also need to know why it's so important

01:03:24.240 like i hope people remember the the portion of this episode where brian you were saying that

01:03:30.120 And although, you know, feminism reached its latter, more extreme expressions later on and, you know, wave two and wave three and so on and so forth, the optics, like the front facing rhetoric in wave one was reserved.

01:03:49.900 it was restrained but in terms of the motive or the intent the most extreme expressions of

01:03:56.980 feminism that we see today the intent the desire was actually there from the people who engineered

01:04:03.440 even wave one and that's important to know they hated god they hated christianity right they

01:04:10.100 didn't just generally hate some kind of neutral conservative order of of affairs they hated

01:04:17.380 christianity because they recognized that christianity confesses god the father it was

01:04:23.020 inherently patriarchal it's inherently patriarchal and none of the things that they wanted to do and

01:04:27.240 the things that they wanted to do i cannot emphasize this enough was to sin they wanted 0.89

01:04:32.140 to do whatever their they wanted to do with their genitals whatever that came into their craven 0.99

01:04:37.140 minds they wanted to not be controlled they wanted nobody to be able to tell them no king 0.99

01:04:42.200 no pastor, no husband. So tell them you may not do that. And one point I think is worth,

01:04:49.140 because we're going to probably hit in the next episode on the economy, the long housing of the

01:04:54.160 economy. Some of these, you know, you can get frustrated with women when you read the book 1.00

01:05:00.960 and when you see where we are today. But one thing that is worth noting, and Eric and I have

01:05:05.140 been talking about this a lot lately is you have to understand that much of this really does it's

01:05:13.640 it's the failure of both men and women to be men and to be women because even in the in the 1700s

01:05:20.240 you you go back to the 1700s and the blue stocking and a lot of the kind of proto-feminist type of

01:05:25.360 stuff and a lot of it came about or at least some of the the zeal for it came about because you you 0.54

01:05:32.640 had a certain decadence of the Christian West where we'd won, we have a lot of power, a lot 0.81

01:05:39.640 of prosperity. And the scripture warns against this. You're going to get all the power and the 0.92

01:05:44.880 prosperity, and then you're going to forget the Lord, your God who gave it all to you.

01:05:48.840 And you're going to give it away.

01:05:51.480 Faithfulness produced prosperity and the daughter devoured the mother. 0.99

01:05:55.120 The daughter devoured the mother. And so there were very, the one thing that I don't want

01:06:00.680 someone to walk away with from from us is to say they don't believe that men did anything wrong

01:06:06.800 and there's absolutely nothing to the even external pr forward justifications that these 0.59

01:06:14.320 waves used as leverage points chinks in the armor of the christian patriarchal order there absolutely

01:06:19.820 were things that both men and women were doing that were very sinful and some of them had to do 0.96

01:06:24.620 with you genuinely had lots of Christian men who were in the process of apostatizing from the

01:06:31.560 Christian faith, kind of decadent, wealthy, bored. And we're seeking after the new, the novel, 0.91

01:06:37.540 what philosophical movement, shiny philosophical movement could I grab onto? You know what? Let's

01:06:43.560 dabble in sexual licentiousness. And those became some of the justifications for the formation of

01:06:50.340 early feminist societies they they could actually point at real things and say those are bad now 0.94

01:06:57.720 what's funny is that the the um the parasitical leaders of these groups that started them 0.94

01:07:04.140 they knew they were using them politically they didn't actually care about men being sexually 0.90

01:07:09.280 promiscuous clearly they didn't care because they themselves were sexually promiscuous but they 0.99

01:07:15.120 recognized something important they knew that that was a chink in the armor of the christian west 1.00

01:07:20.440 And so all the way to today, when you, when you start talking about what should you do, 1.00

01:07:24.840 like the first thing you have, if you're going to oppose the longhouse, you actually have to start

01:07:29.320 by saying, as for me and my house, we will have nothing to do with sexual licentiousness.

01:07:34.440 We will have nothing to do with the smut industry.

01:07:37.500 Yeah. You can't stand against feminism and be looking at porn. 1.00

01:07:40.700 No, I mean, you're, you're utterly hypocritical if you do. And so it's important for us to point 0.99

01:07:45.720 these things because the feminists will say oh the first wave was good because it was responding

01:07:50.400 to some of these things even with the temperance movement similar dynamic there really were

01:07:54.720 people and men who were drunk and drunkards and who were spending their day in drunken idleness

01:08:00.260 and there really was drunken domestic violence there are all sorts of really bad sinful wicked

01:08:06.360 things that genuinely happened satan loves to use those things as leverage points to bring in

01:08:14.340 D you know, you thought the first demon was bad. Wait until he brings all of his friends. Right.

01:08:19.840 So the answer, the answer wasn't feminism. The answer was repentance and a, and a, and a 1.00

01:08:26.860 establishing of robust Christian. It wasn't to say, you know what? Yeah, we really should get 0.85

01:08:32.120 men have men send a couple, you know, there's some men sinning. We should probably put the

01:08:36.420 women in charge. It's like, no, no, no, no, no. There's a leak in the boat. Maybe we should, 1.00

01:08:42.400 you know punch a bigger hole over here same logic right no no you don't solve a problem by creating

01:08:49.780 a worse problem and that is one of the things that happened uh in in the store in the story

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01:10:36.160 book. So thank you guys for coming on. Um, this is episode two, go back and watch episode one,

01:10:41.140 if you haven't already, and then we will be releasing next week, episode three, where we're

01:10:46.920 getting to, you know, you've heard of blue collar, you've heard of white collar, but have you heard

01:10:50.300 of pink collar economies? Cause that's really what you guys are doing in this book among many

01:10:55.960 things but one of them is you're saying okay this is what feminism is this is the history of feminism

01:11:02.020 and how it took hold at the end it's like this is how to conquer feminism and this is how to build

01:11:07.080 apart from it but it sounds like chapters three through eight a lot of the focus there the bulk 0.76

01:11:12.860 of the book is feminism and its destructive effects applied specifically to each sphere 1.00

01:11:21.240 each arena of human society that's right yeah church economy politics exactly so we we could

01:11:28.040 i mean this could be you know this whole series could be you know a 10-part series but we've

01:11:32.100 limited it to three and i'm glad that you guys selected because we did what is the long house

01:11:37.040 um you know the history of the long house that's the episode we've just uh completed but then the

01:11:43.220 third we could have picked church we could have picked politics but i'm really fascinated for

01:11:47.420 the third episode to see. Because you don't always think of the economic effects of feminism,

01:11:53.180 but they are severe. And powerful in shaping society. Show me the incentives and I'll show 1.00

01:11:59.060 you the outcome. It's a story of that principle. Show me the money. Yep. Yep. All right. Thanks,

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The NXR Podcast - September 09, 2026

THE SPECIAL - The (((Unique Origins))) Of Feminism

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