The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad - September 21, 2026


Konrad Lorenz - Nobel Laureate and Pioneer of Ethology (The Saad Truth with Dr. Saad_1050)

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00:00:00.240 Hi everybody, this is Gad Saad. To all Jews who are fasting today, may it be an easy fast.
00:00:08.080 It's Yom Kippur 2026. And what better way than to keep your mind busy while you struggle
00:00:16.260 through nearly 25 hours of complete fast. In any case, today I wanted to talk about
00:00:21.120 this gentleman right here. This is a book, a biography on Conrad Lawrence. It's the latest
00:00:27.980 book that I've been reading and I because of all of the move related issues that I've had to deal
00:00:34.160 with over the past few months and my own books release and so on I hadn't read for maybe three
00:00:39.900 months and so I'm back now to almost finishing this book so Conrad Lawrence biography and then
00:00:47.920 here I wanted to show you another biography that I have on Conrad Lawrence and I'll in a second
00:00:52.660 and I'll explain who he is.
00:00:55.200 That's another biography.
00:00:57.360 And these are some of his original books.
00:00:59.440 This is, I think, from 1953.
00:01:02.060 King Solomon's Ring, right here.
00:01:07.160 I don't know if you can see it.
00:01:08.400 Let me show you.
00:01:11.060 Here it is.
00:01:14.080 Okay.
00:01:14.920 And then, arguably, one of his most famous books on aggression,
00:01:19.080 also an antiquarian edition that i have uh so who is conrad lawrence let's spend a few minutes this
00:01:26.540 by the way i picked up uh during my recent trip uh to dc at a amazing uh used an antiquarian bookshop
00:01:36.160 and i've bought a whole bunch of other books that i'll discuss at various future sad truth clips
00:01:41.420 so conrad lawrence is a ethologist a pioneer of the field of ethology and for those of you who
00:01:50.580 don't know what ethology is it's the study of the evolutionary roots of instinctive patterns right
00:01:59.000 so animals engage in certain instincts these instincts are not learned they're not socialized
00:02:07.160 they are part of the evolutionary repertoire of an animal and so what conrad lawrence did was
00:02:15.480 develop the field of study whereby you study these instinctual patterns so for example
00:02:21.800 imprinting the idea that when a duckling hatches there is a mechanism ontogenetic mechanism that
00:02:31.480 basically says the first thing that i see i'm going to be imprinted on it because that must
00:02:35.880 be my mother my my duckling my duck mother well he showed that if you remove the mother and the
00:02:45.000 duckling hatches and he is the one that the duckling first sees it will follow it it'll
00:02:51.880 become imprinted on it now he could remove himself and put a golden retriever it'll be imprinted on
00:02:56.920 it and so these books the king solomon ring the on aggression and many of his other works
00:03:04.040 are about studying these what I call fixed action patterns, meaning that once the mechanism is
00:03:11.060 released, it has to see its way to the end. It is released because it's a built-in instinct.
00:03:17.920 And so human ethology is one of the fields within the evolutionary behavioral sciences.
00:03:23.960 Some of you might remember that I held a university-wide chaired professorship in
00:03:28.520 evolutionary behavioral sciences. Well, the evolutionary behavioral sciences are,
00:03:32.500 Darwinian anthropology, behavioral ecology, human ethology, evolutionary psychology. These are all
00:03:40.400 part of the umbrella of behavioral disciplines that study their own interesting phenomena
00:03:50.940 using some evolutionary lens. Now, in reading the biography on Conrad Lawrence, several things
00:04:00.000 roles that were interesting that are still sort of being discussed today 50 plus years later and
00:04:05.540 that is that you know he was considered by many of his colleagues to not be a real scientist because
00:04:12.400 he really relied on describing behavior observational behavior where he didn't care
00:04:19.540 so much about you know quantifying things using specific you know measurement techniques and that
00:04:26.380 his argument was that, you know, you really need to sit there and study by observing assiduously
00:04:33.660 patterns of behavior amongst animals. And when you apply it to humans, it becomes human ethology.
00:04:41.160 And, you know, E.O. Wilson, who was arguably one of the biggest scientists of the 20th century,
00:04:47.840 also was accused of similar things. He's not a hardcore, he's not a microbiologist,
00:04:53.160 he's not a biochemist he's not studying the most reductive mechanisms he's only looking at the
00:05:00.000 behavior of the animals by observing them surely that's not scientific and that's completely untrue
00:05:05.960 right i mean same principles happen when we study consumer behavior and and marketing where let's
00:05:10.800 say you have somebody who observes consumers as as an anthropologist would in engaging with
00:05:17.040 particular modern day environments like how do they shop at a mall well but that's not real science
00:05:22.100 Well, of course it is, right? Jane Goodall, who became world famous, did not do fancy, you know, measurements using fMRI or hormonal assays. She just sat there quietly and patiently for years so that she became accepted within the chimp societies so that she could, you know, code their behavior, study their power dynamics, study their sexual behavior.
00:05:50.040 And so all of these different methodological approaches are perfectly valid epistemologically, as long as you are adhering to the scientific method. 0.89
00:05:59.160 So anyways, and by the way, in 1973, he won the Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine with Nico Timbergen, who's another great ethologist, and the third name escapes me, German name.
00:06:17.080 uh they won the nobel prize for their work in ethology so that understanding the fundamental
00:06:25.720 features of what it what makes us human uh via an ethological approach so anyway so check this
00:06:33.400 guy out let me just summarize them again for you this is i mean look at how gorgeous that
00:06:37.240 the cover is i'm not quite finished i've got about maybe 30 pages left so conrad lawrence
00:06:43.280 this biography and then you've got this biography this one i haven't read uh another biography by
00:06:50.500 on coroner lawrence and then you've got king solomon's ring and then you've got on human
00:06:56.480 aggression he's got several others but these are probably some of his most famous ones so check
00:07:00.340 them out many people no longer uh you know spend much time uh looking at the work of ethologists
00:07:08.040 but it is part of the full repertoire of trying to understand the human condition.
00:07:13.500 Take care, everybody.