The Shadoe Davis Show - May 30, 2024


Chair of the Board of Directors of Bow Valley Credit Union Kevin Karpovich!


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00:06:00.000 hello everybody welcome to shadow at night this is wednesday may the 29th 2024 on the show tonight
00:06:16.420 the chairman of the board of bow valley credit union kevin karpovich joins we're going to talk
00:06:22.060 about digital currency we're going to talk about the bank act but more importantly we're going to
00:06:26.100 talk about FinTrack and what the federal government did to us during the Freedom Convoy a couple of
00:06:32.620 years ago, and why the big banks complied. You would think, and I'll ask Kevin this on the show
00:06:39.500 tonight, but you would think that just the five banks alone, the five big banks in Canada worth
00:06:44.380 trillions and trillions of dollars in assets, would be able to, having that much money and that
00:06:50.140 much power that goes along with the money, be able to have just said, no, we're not doing that
00:06:56.600 because it's illegal. I don't care if you've invoked the Emergencies Act or not. It's interesting.
00:07:01.780 And Kevin was in these discussions. So perhaps he can enlighten us to some degree exactly
00:07:07.840 what went on in these discussions and how these decisions were arrived at and all kinds of
00:07:12.860 interesting stuff tonight. Of course, central bank digital currencies seems to be on the top
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00:10:48.020 on thank you for being here tonight let's bring him on now kevin karpovich he is the chairman of
00:10:52.480 the board of bow valley credit union i had the opportunity to meet kevin at the fundraiser for
00:10:58.400 chris barber a couple of months back in swift current although kevin i do have to say our
00:11:02.400 conversation that night was uh difficult because tamara's band was playing right in front of us and
00:11:07.300 it was really loud that night tough to hear it was it was actually very loud but uh
00:11:12.920 but thank you very much actually uh thank you for uh asking me to come on i appreciate yeah i can
00:11:20.280 open up some ideas uh have some people think about some things and uh maybe open up their
00:11:25.760 eyes a little bit to what's going on out there and a bigger picture well you know the first thing
00:11:31.660 that people are urging me to ask you about obviously is the central bank digital currency
00:11:36.820 we've been hearing so much about that we hear in the united states that the house of representatives
00:11:41.180 just passed a bill that's going to stop that from ever happening down there. Of course,
00:11:45.560 that's as long as the Republicans control the House down there. We don't know how long that's
00:11:49.240 going to last. Up here in Canada, it seems to be more of a mystery. The Bank of Canada says,
00:11:54.600 well, you know, I mean, we could do it. We could look into it. But that's more of a government
00:11:59.980 decision than ours. And nonetheless, after having said that, they're still putting surveys out there
00:12:06.340 all the time. Would you be interested in seeing more about a central bank digital currency?
00:12:12.400 So people are worried about that, but you say that may be a little bit too much. We've got
00:12:16.980 other things to worry about, yeah? Well, yeah. Actually, they put out a survey back in May,
00:12:22.320 and it would have come out there for everybody to give input. They've solicited from various
00:12:28.140 retail sectors, most industries, including the financial services sector. One of the things,
00:12:33.960 though, is they are building a framework for central bank digital currency. They've been
00:12:39.440 doing that now since approximately 2017-18. This is not something that just came on the
00:12:46.140 vision in the last three years. So when I say, you know, I made that comment to you,
00:12:51.660 it's something to be obviously monitoring, but it's not the one that's really going to
00:12:56.820 be the bigger impact. Because if you look at it from a bigger perspective, also the
00:13:01.140 one where they passed the bills in the United States was more around the this whole cryptocurrency
00:13:07.040 thing. And it fits in with a couple of their bills, which they invoked a few. If you may exit
00:13:14.180 ramps because you have cryptocurrency, you have to bring it in to be able to pay your mortgage or
00:13:18.840 something. You just can't pay with cryptocurrencies. It just doesn't work right now as a mechanism for
00:13:23.720 payment unless you have crypto accounts and you pay back and forth. But I don't think, you know,
00:13:28.300 the mortgage company is going to take a cryptocurrency, some may. So you're stuck
00:13:33.080 with that situation. How do you get on? So they had a bill they passed actually earlier in the
00:13:37.500 year. And I want to just start with theirs, because I think that's the big thing. They
00:13:41.800 actually what they did is they tightened up the off ramp. And what they did was simply put in
00:13:47.560 legislation so that the manner by which you convert your cryptos into currency, US dollar,
00:13:56.860 for an example is more controlled so they can actually see what the transactions are where it's
00:14:03.640 going how it's being handled and they're doing that through blockchain technology start and
00:14:08.760 finish and it's a kind of an electronic receipt process right isn't blockchain kind of dangerous
00:14:15.260 because that in itself is the digital model for this right that's right and it's been around
00:14:20.300 believe this or not it's actually been out there since 2014 15 blockchain this is not
00:14:27.400 have they been used i'm sorry to interrupt you i've got so many questions like have they been
00:14:32.360 using this is this now a thing that's actually in play and nobody even realizes well you know
00:14:38.200 there's probably pieces of the puzzle out there that are operational you know when you look at
00:14:44.080 this and everybody talks about what's going on now with this whole ai and i don't want to get
00:14:47.420 too far down that hole at all. I just want to bring that up. AI is simply machine learning,
00:14:52.760 but it tracks everything. It's tracking everything. So is that not, in a sense,
00:14:57.800 a blockchain? In a sense, it is. It's tracking everything. It knows what's going on. So yes
00:15:04.320 and no, but blockchain has been more reserved for the accounting aspects of transactions.
00:15:11.160 But again, it's being monitored out there.
00:15:14.060 Anything that goes online basically is being tracked in some fashion.
00:15:20.260 That currency that they just, the law, they pass with the central digital currency.
00:15:25.900 Central bank digital currency clearly is that.
00:15:28.860 You are going to be doing something that's going to be with a central bank.
00:15:32.640 In other words, you're going to open up a bank account.
00:15:35.740 I'm going to go at the high level here, and then I'll work back down.
00:15:38.480 The reason I'm saying that is what that does is puts an immense pressure on what we call C2 banks or commercial banks, the retail banks.
00:15:47.400 Because if you have a direct bank account with the Central Bank of Canada, why do you need a bank account at BMO, TD, credit union?
00:15:56.340 You don't need a bank account.
00:15:57.720 You're dealing directly with them.
00:15:59.660 And so that's where you would see more of the blockchain going.
00:16:02.980 So when I say they've been exploring and doing this in Canada, they have been in the United States. We've been doing it in Canada now since 2017, 18. There's been two real major proponents in about 2020 that have been flushing out the details of how central bank digital currency may operate in Canada.
00:16:22.780 And there's two financial institutions that have been doing that, requested by the Bank of Canada, who has been asked to look at a framework for central bank digital currency, not to deploy, as you stated there, Shadow, that's correct, they cannot, that has to be from Parliament pass.
00:16:43.480 But they've also been asked, and there's a bill that was put in through the Senate, and you can go back and the viewers can go and look at this, that's been passed to look at a framework in 2019.
00:16:55.500 Subsequently, they have been working at a framework.
00:16:58.680 Now, they gave the first blush, as I mentioned, early on just to see if it's viable, what could happen, what would go on.
00:17:05.800 Subsequently, one of the institutions that went through the trial actually got involved in the U.S. in their trial.
00:17:14.320 And so we had a Canadian entity that was actually a financial institution that was actually working with the feds in the United States on their central bank digital currency.
00:17:24.100 What that share is, I tell you, I can't speak to that.
00:17:27.560 I don't know. It's very quiet. They give you one liners in an article and that's it. You don't get no detail.
00:17:35.020 But I'll tell you, if you want to go to the Bank of Canada, I suggest your viewers take a look.
00:17:39.840 Bank of Canada, it has on there their central bank digital currency, the framework, what they're looking at, how they're reviewing it, who they're engaging with.
00:17:47.840 What are their findings to this point?
00:17:49.780 There was an individual that was hired about two and a half years ago, roughly, to look at setting up the backside of it.
00:17:58.680 In other words, the financial, the tool, be it blockchain, be it whatever that's going to run this.
00:18:05.120 Again, that's not really been disclosed as to how far down that road they've been, but there is information out there.
00:18:11.900 It's possibly blockchain, maybe some modifications to it could be AI engaging.
00:18:18.720 That we don't know because that's what they're working on with this framework.
00:18:22.540 So I can't really say that they've got it finalized yet because they haven't.
00:18:27.600 there is well you know it's not so much the technology i think that most people have got
00:18:34.840 a problem with for example if you go to a grocery store and you want to use the instant checkout you
00:18:40.280 know that's fine go ahead but as long as the cashiers are available as long as i have the
00:18:45.400 option to use cash i don't want to have to use my car today by the way in my opinion that slows
00:18:50.380 things down as opposed to speeding things up which is the initial reason they told us it was going to
00:18:54.620 be such a great thing um but you know and again this new technology central bank digital currencies
00:19:01.120 i haven't got a problem with it what i've got a problem with is that they can apparently be
00:19:06.320 programmed so they operate like coupons and that there will be no actual physical currency that we
00:19:13.340 can use to make transactions with any place and they're starting you know because i know that the
00:19:19.920 government's got uh programs out there for small and medium-sized businesses to go all i don't want
00:19:27.160 to say digital but to go all cashless and so you're seeing a lot of that happen now they are pushing
00:19:33.020 that they are pushing it a lot and i will speak to that a little bit here there has been a lot of
00:19:38.020 challenges with that because there are not and the bank of canada has clearly stated unless there's a
00:19:43.860 directive that changes that that the currency monetary currency paper money will still be in
00:19:50.300 existence and the central bank digital currency if introduced would be working in parallel they
00:19:56.880 would not eliminate one with the other now that all said they have had experiences that have been
00:20:03.120 going on around the world everybody knows very well what goes on in china they're they're concerned
00:20:08.400 about what goes on for that social monitoring and social credits and so on.
00:20:13.000 I'll give you another example, and I don't know if people know this,
00:20:16.440 but India last year, with 1.5 billion people,
00:20:20.600 that is more than China in population,
00:20:23.980 it's more of a democratic society,
00:20:26.500 they introduced a central bank digital currency,
00:20:29.600 of which the uptake was extremely low.
00:20:34.280 So much so that the government said,
00:20:37.620 oh, this isn't working. They want to keep their paper money. So what they have done,
00:20:43.820 and this would have been April of this year, they introduced pushing that out to the retail sector.
00:20:50.680 So the retail sector now is the ones that are having to try and get the people to do it.
00:20:57.360 The challenge is the uptick is not any better. And so there is resistance, and it's large enough
00:21:04.200 resistance that they may want to do that, but people are not willingly accepting that. And so
00:21:10.800 the pushback on the digital or the central bank digital currency, because I'll get to the other
00:21:16.300 one in a minute, was been very strong. And so they're finding opposition even now. There hasn't
00:21:22.380 been too much reporting on it yet. Let me ask you why it's so important to these people to do this.
00:21:30.260 I mean, what is wrong with the current situation that we have right now?
00:21:33.600 It seems to work fine for me, and nobody's got any complaints.
00:21:37.200 For sure.
00:21:38.240 Well, I guess you can't track all their buying purchase.
00:21:40.900 It's pretty hard to track dollars.
00:21:42.600 You can't track fiat currency.
00:21:45.340 What you also have is other things that are pushing on them right now,
00:21:48.560 and it's called inflation.
00:21:49.820 There's a lot of facts that are going on right now,
00:21:52.040 and if people look at the amount of inflation that's going on in the world,
00:21:55.620 everybody can realize it's not 2%.
00:21:58.380 everybody goes to the grocery store knows it's not two percent and so when you go through this
00:22:03.920 and they keep saying the same story and the same story in the background if you look at what's
00:22:09.660 going on now even in canada with inflation it's going up because what they do when they identify
00:22:15.120 their gross domestic product typically what they would do is just tell you what it is in canadian
00:22:20.800 dollars well what they're doing since our biggest trading partner is the united states what they do
00:22:26.180 is they convert it first and then broadcast it in Canadian dollars. So obviously, they get the
00:22:32.540 130 uptick on their dollar for an averaging. So it looks like the gross domestic product is
00:22:38.620 actually increasing. Where in actuality, if you look in Canada, the impacts are so strong,
00:22:43.760 and I think people can see that out there, that the economies actually aren't growing.
00:22:48.360 They're, if anything, very fortunately, if possible, stable.
00:22:54.360 And I say that, yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:22:59.260 It's going in the opposite direction.
00:23:01.160 It's declining.
00:23:02.160 And they're trying to present it that it's not.
00:23:04.460 So if you can control and monitor the fiat currency, you can remove a system that is their system.
00:23:11.600 So their system being, we want controlling aspects to know what's going on in the economy.
00:23:18.020 so we can track that um is there any better way that would be one of them so what you've tacitly
00:23:24.580 said here is that the great reset is coming and they want to control everything and they can't
00:23:30.380 track fiat currency so they want to get rid of that so that leads me to the bow valley credit
00:23:35.740 union situation you guys have been a breath of fresh air for many people uh these past couple
00:23:41.040 of years uh when people found out about you guys and what you have been doing your gold-backed
00:23:46.720 system. I mean, this is all very interesting to me. You stand apart from almost every other
00:23:53.020 financial institution in this country. Can you explain more about that, please?
00:23:57.600 Sure. One of the things that we've always maintained as the organization is our core
00:24:02.040 values. We have not changed. And I think that's something that's fundamental that we present every
00:24:07.600 single time we talk. We believe in truth, transparency, honesty with integrity, that
00:24:13.880 what we commit to, we're going to do. That said, we believe that everybody should have their own
00:24:20.160 financial institution that takes care of their money. And we don't need to know anything about
00:24:26.140 you other than you need a financial institution. We're going to get the information where necessary
00:24:30.820 for us to do that service for you. We are not one to be pushing services on. If there's certain
00:24:37.680 services you have, we are a full service operation, got investments, you can do self-directed
00:24:43.860 RRSPs, you can do whatever if you want a financial planner, so on, so forth. So all those services
00:24:49.380 are there, plus the checking, plus the whole history with regarding, you know, types of ways
00:24:55.140 of investments, different planners, we've got financial planners, Avisio is one of our main
00:25:01.000 suppliers with respects to the wealth management side. But we do have a wealth management,
00:25:05.720 we also deal with bonds and Q trade, other things to this nature. But one of the challenges that
00:25:12.480 we do and we see is that, as I just mentioned, there's more things to look at. And at Bow
00:25:18.700 Valley, that's one of the things we do. That's one of my core positions, if you may. I read the
00:25:24.980 stuff that I'd never wanted to read in my whole life. I read policies. I watch what's going on
00:25:30.400 in Parliament. I'm there monitoring what they're doing so that we can be in a position.
00:25:37.080 One thing that is very clear, and I have to state this, is that the information I'm providing to
00:25:42.060 everybody here is information that is valuable. And I say, listen, you may have heard it. It may
00:25:47.320 be of no value, but be like a sponge. Whatever you don't want, just squeeze it out. If it's
00:25:53.240 something you already know, fantastic. The whole point of this is simply providing information that
00:25:58.800 there's a bigger fish out there and there always will be. And what we're doing is simply saying,
00:26:04.220 listen, everybody's going one direction and we're just saying, I don't think so. We're going to
00:26:08.860 stable. We are keeping our core value. Have you been pressured at all by any,
00:26:15.540 because a financial institution in this day and age, I think has to partner, especially a credit
00:26:21.600 union has to partner with other financial institutions across the country to build a
00:26:26.160 network, correct? You also have to do some work, I suppose, with the Bank of Canada. And let me show
00:26:33.840 you I'm just going to throw this up on the screen here real quick this is the DEI new framework of
00:26:41.660 the Bank of Canada this is on their website bankofcanada.ca our inclusive leadership they do
00:26:47.840 DEI but they call it EDI here so as to oh it's not DEI it's EDI that's different right our diverse
00:26:54.800 workforce our engaging workplace have you been pressured at all by any of the other financial
00:27:02.100 institutions in the country or the bank of canada for that matter to go ahead and impose these deis
00:27:07.420 on on your uh system of doing business and your employees and customer base well die yeah that's
00:27:17.180 a very another way to spin that as well um but no yeah there there has been a lot of people that
00:27:23.500 have been asking us questions and there are some obligations though that is not the for our
00:27:28.480 standpoint it's at a minimum that's not at the forefront of our organization what we believe is
00:27:33.420 is that proper people that are employed in our organization as well as dealings with any of the
00:27:38.900 other institutions every institution will follow their own guidance we stick to our core values
00:27:44.100 and our core values is saying listen we want the right person for the right job with right
00:27:47.720 qualifications it's not necessarily it's not based on you know anybody having any special
00:27:54.860 background, character, anything to that nature. We're very much equal opportunity. We have like
00:28:03.040 right now six bank managers and of the branch managers, I should say, five are women. You know,
00:28:09.640 we have no problems with that. I think that's very much a culture that's out there and always
00:28:14.580 has been. And we don't see a pressure that's coming from the Bank of Canada on that. There's
00:28:20.360 no other pressures coming from anyone else. And the one thing is with the organization is because
00:28:25.880 we're provincially regulated, because we are a credit union that's a provincial, all credit
00:28:31.840 unions are. Now, I must speak to that maybe a little bit, which will help a little bit here,
00:28:36.200 too. There is three types. There's, you know, the banks, obviously, as we all know, there's the big
00:28:40.500 six. And then you've got all the other banks, the Schedule II and Schedule III banks. Schedule III
00:28:45.700 banks are, I'll get into that one a bit with the Bank Act, but I'll get to that. I'll come back to
00:28:50.060 that, and the Schedule II and the bank. But there's also another one that came out here last
00:28:54.840 year. And this was some of the part of the Bank Act. And this is something I'm going to speak
00:28:59.300 about under this whole FinTrack umbrella, because there's a lot of acts that are being modified
00:29:04.780 since 2022. But that said, there was a push that everybody had with the federal credit union. And
00:29:12.860 that's a federal credit union is a credit union that can run nationally. And that then falls once
00:29:18.680 becomes a federal credit union underneath of the Bank Act. It no longer is governed by the
00:29:24.280 provincial credit union. So the government doesn't actually have regulations. And so we in credit
00:29:32.160 unions that basically in all the provinces, all are run by provincially regulated. So there's
00:29:37.700 regulations we have to buy to. So yes, we follow the law. Yes, we do not. But we also say when
00:29:43.220 we're following the laws, maybe unique, maybe not, but we just say, listen, what's good for
00:29:48.400 one direction also has to work in the other way. So when there's something that's being implied onto
00:29:52.120 us and pushed onto us, tell us the rational reason, not just because. We actually push back
00:29:57.200 and we've been doing that. Have you had that happen? Have they come and said, you have to
00:30:03.140 put the rainbow in your window? And I'll tell you the reason I asked that, Kevin, is simple,
00:30:06.840 because you walk by any financial institution branch these days and because Pride Month is
00:30:12.540 coming up in three days uh we're seeing happy pride month the rainbow flags and that whatever
00:30:19.180 that new flag is i can't make out what it is it's it's all there and and the banks are you know
00:30:23.580 there's one right in downtown winnipeg where i am it's about six floors up on the corner of portage
00:30:29.020 in maine this massive rainbow flag and to me it's insulting i'd rather not do business with these
00:30:35.420 people but you don't really have much of a choice these days except for for you guys at bow valley
00:30:40.540 Well, we remain nonpartisan, and that's the whole point.
00:30:45.020 It's the matter that we provide a financial service.
00:30:48.540 And so, yes, actually, we've gotten pushback, believe it or not, because we have a Canadian flag flying.
00:30:56.320 And, you know, they felt that that's probably not appropriate.
00:30:59.500 And I thought, well, and same with our CEO.
00:31:03.040 Like, why would a Canadian flag flying, as it does anywhere else in Canada, have a problem?
00:31:09.220 uh just fyi it still flies today uh we just said no i mean we live in canada correct and why can't
00:31:17.920 we fly a canadian flag so you know uh we're still pushing all our uh if you may on certain issues
00:31:26.160 get pressure we do follow the laws and regulations when we do that we're also saying okay so provide
00:31:34.440 us the reasons or the rationale. So some of the things we've done don't fall outside of any
00:31:40.380 regulation. There may be areas that weren't regulated prior, maybe now because we've done
00:31:45.140 certain things. But again, those are open avenues for anybody to do. We've just said, you know, for
00:31:51.960 us, we want to maintain that everybody has an opportunity. So the pressures that you say about
00:31:57.480 DEI and all this, they come. But again, we are providing this service. These are our core values.
00:32:05.380 They're on our website. And by all means, the viewers can check it out. We don't deviate from
00:32:11.200 those. So it's no different than someone else having a wish to put up pride flags and fly those
00:32:17.600 at their organization. That's their decision. Our decision has been we're going to be doing
00:32:22.520 what we would do normally and non-partisan would say if i was to fly one of those flags
00:32:28.400 well that would be partisan to someone else so we're saying no we can't do that you're striving
00:32:35.080 to remain normal and neutral which is absolutely fantastic as far as i'm concerned it's great uh
00:32:44.300 but where does that you said when they come to us and i want to i want to ask you who they are are
00:32:50.140 Are these the organizations, regulators, regulators from where federal government?
00:32:57.320 No, it would be from like our regulators.
00:33:00.020 If we're doing some things that we want to put out there, we do have positions.
00:33:04.480 So in exactly the BBC gold, we call it.
00:33:08.040 There were some concerns from language and how it was being used.
00:33:11.540 So we don't use the the word you used at the end of it.
00:33:14.760 And I won't recite it.
00:33:16.500 It's BBC gold.
00:33:17.640 And that was some of the pressures we had got back on some of our marketing campaigns.
00:33:22.040 So, you know, free to say that. But it's BBC Gold and we're working with our regulators.
00:33:28.480 We have a good working relationship with them and they understand our position.
00:33:32.940 We understand their position. But we have other people that come in and, you know, organizations or a group that'll have some concerns or people that express some concerns about, you know, you don't.
00:33:43.600 why do you support a hockey club and certain things to this nature with
00:33:48.060 sponsorships? I think it's brutal and on and on and on, you know,
00:33:52.340 we always get that. And I think any organization would,
00:33:55.460 but it's just something we've done. You know,
00:33:58.160 we're Canadian boys and girls and we all play hockey one time. And so,
00:34:03.520 you know, when a minor team comes up and says, Hey,
00:34:05.880 would you like to sponsor us and put your board up there? And yeah,
00:34:10.000 that's so normal that is so normal it is right i mean it's just so community and canadian that's
00:34:18.760 exactly what that is and again when i ask you like i say they you say regulators so you haven't had
00:34:24.740 any special interest groups come up in your face and go yes with the rainbows because i i know other
00:34:32.300 businesses that's happened to and and some knuckle under and some will push back and say no we're not
00:34:38.300 going to do that always trying to maintain the most even of temper right yeah no and i mean that's
00:34:44.340 fine they can come and push forward their positions but we have our core values we have a position
00:34:50.320 and we're not having influences to change those core values our core values have always been there
00:34:56.040 it's not like they just started two years ago or three years ago um where you're hearing that very
00:35:02.040 comment there shadow where you're hearing the pressures and they bend we're not bending we're
00:35:06.980 just staying normal like we were and so that causes confusion i believe so everything gets
00:35:13.040 mixed up people then say well what are you really standing for like i said go to our website that's
00:35:19.440 what it says we haven't changed uh yes there's groups that'll come by and say certain things
00:35:24.540 or want us to do certain things listen if it fits within any kind of sponsorship fantastic but if
00:35:30.800 it's promoting something we're not going to do that we're a financial institution exactly so let
00:35:36.500 Let me ask you about FinTrack. This is something, by the way, Kevin and I talked about, guys, before we went live tonight.
00:35:42.780 This is Kevin Karpovich. If you're joining the show late, he is the chairman of the board of Bow Valley Credit Union.
00:35:48.220 Thank you again, Kevin, for coming on the show tonight.
00:35:51.020 You talked about FinTrack as I was talking about digital banking.
00:35:54.300 We've explored digital banking to a degree, but you said there were more devious things that are going on in our legislation right now that need to be looked at.
00:36:03.740 And FinTrack is one of them. Specifically, you talked about what happened during the Emergency Act declaration a couple of years ago during the Freedom Convoy. Can you elaborate, please, for the viewers?
00:36:14.760 Yeah, I sure can. You know, back then, everybody heard about the Emergency Act that was invoked, obviously. But there was also another thing that was invoked. It was called the Emergency Measures Order.
00:36:24.660 and that allows the government to take control of all aspects of finances and everything when
00:36:31.960 they put the order in place as however they write it out and it was very specifically written
00:36:36.680 that you know if there was any proceeds from a situation that could cause problems and I don't
00:36:43.280 know if anybody ever watched the National Citizen Inquiry NCI but I think I only put that plug for
00:36:50.260 this reason it was very evident and it showed in that as well as the public hearing that there
00:36:56.240 were some scribblings that were made by christina freeland the minister of finance in her tablet and
00:37:02.080 it was shown on television this is not new um and it was expressed why was that written down
00:37:08.240 and whatever the marriott of conversation developed the point is the word was used was
00:37:14.560 called terrorist and proceeds of crime for terrorism. And so, you know, the comment has
00:37:22.780 always been said, well, why didn't all the banks push back? You know, well, they did. I mean,
00:37:26.760 they said you can't shut down bank accounts. The emergency measures order was a mechanism for the
00:37:31.960 federal government to invoke control. There was potentials that there was, and you may have heard
00:37:38.620 other things of overthrow the government and all kinds of conversation. So we just sat back and
00:37:44.400 just looked at this and said, okay, well, what does this really mean here? And let's see some
00:37:48.300 evidence towards this. And since there was nothing coming forward, it was concerning that I can't
00:37:54.640 speak to the other financial institutions as to their decision-making process. But the word
00:38:00.200 terrorist was utilized. Now, if you understand FinTrack, which, and I guess for everybody's
00:38:06.020 understanding, that actually is the financial risks. And so I'm just going to take a quick
00:38:14.400 Pick here. And I'm just going to pull something here for myself quickly, just so I can enunciate it properly, because I always get it wrong. I call it FinTrack. It's the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Center. And what that does is that's an arm of basically the finance minister who can invoke changes of watching and monitoring money.
00:38:37.560 And I guess people were watching some of the things that were going on, but the changes, if you were to read the actually emergency measures order, it conveyed as well as Christine Freeland, when she was on stage, said that, you know, we have to tighten up Fintrack and Fintrack has to be able to monitor these terrorist activities and the proceeds from crime and money laundering.
00:39:05.160 And subsequently, there was a comment that was made and that she would be invoking in her budget in 2023, some changes.
00:39:13.600 So there is five acts that are right now currently under review with, and this is where I'll get to the Bank Act, as I mentioned, I would get back to, is the Bank Act is one, the Insurance Companies Act, the Trust and Loan Companies Act, the Office of Superintendent of Financial Institutions Act, which is OSFI.
00:39:34.180 who govern all the financial, federally regulated institutions,
00:39:38.540 predominantly the banks, and proceeds of crime, money laundering,
00:39:42.800 and terrorist activity, which is an acronym is PCMLA.
00:39:46.840 You can look up that and just type in FINTRAC, F-I-N-T-R-A-C,
00:39:51.180 and you can read to your heart's content.
00:39:52.840 But the whole intent of that was those are all very powerful acts.
00:39:58.860 speaking to the fact of OSFI getting basically more FinTrack, more teeth and OSFI getting more
00:40:07.360 teeth to monitor things. So when I said central bank digital currency is concerning, it is no
00:40:13.300 question. But these controls are more concerning than the central bank being the one giving out
00:40:19.840 the money. So the Bank Act and everybody, and I think Shadow, we had spoke about it before.
00:40:25.760 and that was regarding you know what's going on with the bank act holy cow the banks are all going
00:40:30.520 to close june 2025 well i want to bring that up but if you want to bring it up now i'll just flash
00:40:35.620 this up on the screen here uh for people this is part of the bank act here uh and the sunset
00:40:40.880 provision says and pierre poly i was even asked about this by a uh a vlogger a sub subject to
00:40:49.240 subsections two and four banks shall not carry on business and authorized foreign banks shall not
00:40:53.700 carry on business in canada after june 30th 2025 and i've been trying to make sense of that for a
00:40:59.420 while now is that what you you're going to throw that up now i'd love to hear yeah absolutely so
00:41:05.580 i'll uh i'll go to the i'll read the act and then what i'll do is i'll go back to give you some
00:41:10.260 history on that okay so what what that is is so this is after basically june 30 that date has
00:41:17.240 been changed. Now, what this is, is basically the governor of council or the parliament has to
00:41:24.940 review and their documents that they need to review is the Bank Act. And so when they do that,
00:41:32.040 this thing was originally passed and invoked. I'll go to history. It's probably a better way
00:41:35.620 to do it. 1871. And just so everybody understands, this Bank Act has been around for a long time.
00:41:41.220 This did not come up new. And so historically, what they did is on a decennial or 10 year basis, they would review it to ensure that the process, the whole banking acts and process of banking was current.
00:41:57.320 That was the whole plan, and they maintained that for years, and that continued until 1992.
00:42:04.600 In 1992, they felt that there was too many changes happening with computers being more prevalent and things going on with banking.
00:42:12.720 Instead of having bank books, you had computers and online banking.
00:42:16.560 They changed it to five years, saying, hey, technology, everything's speeding up, so five years.
00:42:21.920 So it was written in the act as five years.
00:42:25.060 Now, the act, did I mention that Parliament has to agree to this every four years as brought up in the fifth year, they have to approve it. So anybody who's an MP for any period of time, more than five years, will have had to vote on this period, Bank Act. I think Mr. Poliev has been there a while, so he would have seen these before.
00:42:49.240 so that's maybe it was the way it was presented to him i don't know but uh yeah he said he hadn't
00:42:55.620 heard of it before he would have to look into it so if it's if it's something that you're talking
00:43:00.080 about is it's been there since 1871 and it seems to get renewed or at least revised every five
00:43:05.820 okay yeah there's a bit of a catch that kind of catches up here a little bit because that was
00:43:10.840 every five years so that was the sunset or the sunset set clause sorry in 2016 17 budget uh bill
00:43:20.080 morneau if you remember was the minister of finance and at the time there they proposed an extension
00:43:26.240 because it was coming due in that year basically and they proposed an extension for two years to
00:43:32.760 move it out to 2019, March. They did not do anything, again, until they said, okay, we're
00:43:42.040 going to pass the Act as it is, and it will ride up until the Act would be basically 2023. And it
00:43:49.200 was to come due again. So what they did, though, is back in April of 2021, the federal government
00:43:58.080 announced that there was more changes coming in the bank act and they wanted to address those
00:44:04.320 and they pushed it off from as i mentioned to you back in the budget 2023 the bank act
00:44:10.040 because what they wanted to do they felt that they needed to isolate the insurance companies act
00:44:15.400 because most of the banks rbc bmo td all had insurance branches or arms that you could go
00:44:22.740 to the front teller and get insurance and deposit money. They felt the government at the time felt
00:44:28.820 that this was basically not separating the opportunity and the people's knowledge to buy
00:44:35.420 insurance separate. And they shouldn't sell both at the same place. So there was a divesture of
00:44:40.760 insurance companies. And you probably know that, you know, RBC sold their RBC insurance to, I think
00:44:45.560 it's Aviva and TD and all the rest. That was the reason. When they did that, the big challenge is,
00:44:52.020 of course, the insurance guys are all pushing on them now saying, hey, well, when is the act
00:44:56.700 going to be in place? You're just letting the bank still carry this on. So when you asked about
00:45:01.960 do banks have power? Yeah, I think so. I think they're kind of pushing them saying, hey, maybe
00:45:05.500 we don't want to get out of it just yet, or we haven't finalized the deals. So don't chastise
00:45:10.500 us for not getting out of the insurance company. And that said, what they did is they've now moved
00:45:16.740 it to June 30. Now, here's the big change that people probably didn't know. Either at the time
00:45:24.960 in 2017, instead of using five years, they decided they were going to put in a date.
00:45:31.480 Everything since 2016 has a date. So it's a drop dead date. So the drop dead date before was
00:45:39.240 actually March 29, 2023. Traditionally, the Bank Act has always been reviewed closer to the fall
00:45:47.660 or mid-year. So what they did is that they said, oh, let's extend it in 2023 so we can deal with
00:45:55.200 the Insurance Act. And we have a bunch of things we want to change in the Bank Act. And so that's
00:46:00.360 why you now see it extended to June 30, 2025. So sometime later in this year. So nobody should
00:46:08.380 worry that all the banks are going to have to fold their tent in June of 2025. And then the
00:46:13.620 central bank digital currency is going to come into play and the world government's going to
00:46:17.320 take over. So no, we don't know. Okay. Not yet anyway. Well, actually there's, I mentioned,
00:46:25.280 yeah. You know, I can never say never, but the way it's rolling now, schedule three banks are
00:46:31.800 basically institutions that are foreign entities that are residing in Canada, but not necessarily
00:46:38.360 taking deposits into their front door. They could be doing other things, but not necessarily. They
00:46:45.340 have to get a special permission and that's under the Bank Act. So that directly affects them this
00:46:51.400 June 30 date. And the reason I bring that up is so everybody understand there's a lot of things
00:46:55.800 going on with foreign banks. And so everybody's kind of like, oh, what's going on? Why is this
00:46:59.800 Chinese bank doing this and that? And there's reasons for some things I believe in the background,
00:47:05.120 But I, you know, like everybody else, we can speculate, but I don't want to go say that.
00:47:09.480 The other thing is, as long as we say it's speculation, Kev, I don't think anybody has to worry about it.
00:47:14.640 But then again, I mean, I understand what you're saying.
00:47:17.280 Yeah. And I mean, that's, but that's the reason those banks actually, the Schedule 3 banks are foreign banks.
00:47:23.180 So there's Schedule 2 banks, which then can take deposits.
00:47:26.800 And those are, you know, like your, I guess your president's choice, you know, those type where Canadian tire.
00:47:34.040 those are ing those are the other ones that are not necessarily your schedule ones which are the
00:47:40.560 six big banks as you mentioned earlier like rbcb motd right right so let's go let's go back to the
00:47:47.300 fin track discussion and what happened during the emergencies act when christy freeland excuse me
00:47:55.180 when sorry when trudeau invoked it and freeland started uh coming to the bank executives to you
00:48:02.060 guys and saying all right this is what we want you to do we want you to start freezing accounts
00:48:06.080 yeah my question to kevin you guys before the show began tonight was if you put all of the
00:48:12.160 banking institutions in this country together we're talking about trillions of dollars am i
00:48:17.500 correct in saying that yes that's power and all it would take would be a couple of leaders or
00:48:28.220 board members or boards of the large banks to say we're not doing that it's illegal you have not
00:48:34.440 shown the rationale behind the invocation of this emergencies act to my satisfaction
00:48:40.020 and we are going to be freezing the bank accounts of longtime customers we're going to be wrecking
00:48:45.680 people's lives essentially here could they not with the power that they wield and all of that
00:48:50.820 money could they not have just told justin trudeau and christia freeland to go pound salt i mean what
00:48:55.660 what are the liberals going to do to them seriously i mean you're going to send in the rcmp
00:49:00.060 to the rbc give me a break i don't think so well it's up to each institution but what they did use
00:49:07.460 is the word terrorist and so under these new rules that were provided under fin track it's actually
00:49:14.560 saying that listen it's actually proceeds of crime and so if it's terrorists and their label
00:49:20.240 as a terrorist, monies collected for a terrorist organization group, committee, could be considered
00:49:27.480 terrorist activity. Thereby, that's why I say each organization makes their own decisions.
00:49:33.900 How and why? Great question. I say that the wielding of the sword came from FinTrack, which
00:49:41.320 is basically monitoring what's going on. And those controls can be provided by the Minister of
00:49:47.680 finance in this case so if fintrack says we want this yes like can can the bank say sorry we're
00:49:56.120 not doing that or are you like obliged to follow their lead the by law there is obligation that
00:50:04.680 you need to abide to their rules that said does not mean you cannot ask back for evidence and proof
00:50:10.440 of uh whatever conditions are necessary to do that and i mean even if we look at what what
00:50:18.220 happened back then they're using the word terrorist as you point out you correctly point
00:50:21.640 that out and and we saw that in the uh emergencies commission the justice ruleau commission there
00:50:26.600 where as you say freeland kept using the word terrorist all of the liberal ministers did even
00:50:30.800 trudeau they pounded home relentlessly the word terrorist during the house of common sessions at
00:50:35.960 that time every single left-wing corporate media was talking about terrorists and we know for a
00:50:41.760 fact there were no terrorists down there we also know for a fact that 95 percent of the money that
00:50:48.660 was raised both times by the freedom convoy first through gofundme and then through give send go
00:50:54.240 was local meaning canadian it wasn't coming in from some you know some extreme right-wing group
00:51:01.480 in europe or in the united states it was small donations coming in 10 20 50 dollars from canadians
00:51:09.260 all across the country knowing what we know now could the banks possibly go back to the federal
00:51:16.900 government and say you guys lied to us you guys made us breach our promise to our customers
00:51:23.440 and we're going to hold you liable the banks kevin are worth trillions as we've pointed out
00:51:29.840 Could they not sue the government for making them do that wrongfully?
00:51:34.020 And it's been proven now by the Federal Court of Canada that the invocation of the Emergencies Act was, in fact, against the Charter of Rights, making it illegal.
00:51:45.920 That's right. And it'd be up to those institutions to pursue that.
00:51:49.140 I mean, there is individuals that are taking institutions, banks, even credit unions to task regarding the fact that they've had their bank accounts frozen.
00:51:59.840 And rightly so. And could those institutions themselves pursue that? Absolutely, they could. But again, that's their corporate decision as to how they want to proceed. And again, being not engaged and not doing any of those activities ourselves, I'm leaving up to them to make that choice.
00:52:18.600 And I would say for them that, you know, if anybody has a voice, I always say, listen, you have more power than you believe.
00:52:27.300 And indeed, you need to voice that concern.
00:52:29.860 And if you so choose, that may be something you might want to pursue.
00:52:34.620 Let me ask you, you guys are a financial institution backed by gold.
00:52:38.800 Am I correct?
00:52:39.920 We do have gold deposits.
00:52:41.580 Yes.
00:52:41.860 okay so when i say backed by gold i mean that uh you were founded on the principle of all of the
00:52:50.880 investments that people do with you guys is backed by actual gold bullion it's physical gold you've
00:52:59.880 got that not to say that you've got it in a vault someplace like fort knox or anything but uh you've
00:53:05.020 got gold stores whereas most of the currency in the western world i believe is fiat currency it's
00:53:11.700 based on nothing but the government's word correct right um why and and most of the banks
00:53:18.240 all of the banks except for bow valley credit union uh are just dealing in fiat currency right
00:53:25.180 now why did you guys make this move well for a couple of reasons back actually um it's a
00:53:32.020 quantifiable asset um gold is something that has over time any of the precious metals have proven
00:53:39.800 to be worth something. It's tangible. You can touch it. One of the concerns we carry is that
00:53:45.840 we are in a process of, and we aren't fully backed up by gold. We do have gold stores and deposits
00:53:52.740 right now. Yes. And we are continuing to do that. It's all managing operational costs as well as
00:54:00.120 profits and that to do such. But the intention is that, yes, we do have that. And that's the plan
00:54:06.760 is that, you know, our common shares will be basically BBC Gold.
00:54:12.340 And we have different products out there that we are using
00:54:15.400 and members can use for themselves.
00:54:17.700 But Bow Valley itself does actually have gold.
00:54:22.820 But nobody else does.
00:54:24.840 So did you see something?
00:54:26.200 And you said earlier during our discussion tonight, Kevin,
00:54:29.360 that, you know, most of the other banks are going one way.
00:54:33.280 You've decided to go another way.
00:54:35.180 Do you see something coming economically on the horizon where gold is going to be absolutely essential for people to have?
00:54:44.640 Well, I look at it this way.
00:54:46.020 I think it's always a wise to be divested in any of your investing.
00:54:50.340 And that's just something we thought we as an organization should be looking at as well.
00:54:54.820 We should be looking at it that, you know, indeed, we're here to preserve the customer's bank accounts.
00:55:01.780 and no better way than we know of at this point is to use gold and so bbc gold was enacted and
00:55:08.580 we've been doing that ever since and subsequently you didn't see anything coming down the pike like
00:55:14.000 canada has no gold reserves i mean the country has the last of it was sold off i think by trudeau
00:55:20.840 in 2016 or something it's gone we have nothing like there's no canada's got no gold and who's
00:55:29.820 been buying up the gold in the world? About four or five other countries that are significant,
00:55:35.540 like Russia, China. And the reason simply that we're looking at this is we're saying that it
00:55:41.340 makes sense that if fiat currencies are being challenged globally, the Canadian dollar, as I
00:55:46.720 mentioned initially, has some concerns. I'm not saying the economy is falling apart, but I'm
00:55:52.020 saying that it's really struggling. Inflation is going very rapid. And indeed, if there is any
00:55:57.640 transition where, you know, you want to deal in a currency, you might as well be in something that
00:56:03.180 is convertible. And the Canadian dollar is worth, well, I think it's $1.35 or $1.6, I think right
00:56:10.000 now, compared to U.S., whereas, you know, that one ounce of gold is like $3,200 Canadian or
00:56:17.060 I think it's $2,600 U.S. So when you look at that, you say to yourself, well, why is gold still
00:56:23.900 being considered to be of value. If every other nation is doing it, so if all of a sudden, you
00:56:30.300 know, Canadian dollar keeps deflating, which it's struggling at, if you think about this,
00:56:35.420 you've got the Bank of Canada's job is to keep inflation at 2%. Well, you've got all these
00:56:41.240 interest rates at 5% and 6%. If you look at our housing economy, and you look at what's going on
00:56:47.000 out there, there is right now 60% of our GDP is coming from real estate and the financial sector.
00:56:55.680 Well, okay. So if those are our two drivers, and they say they don't have enough houses,
00:57:01.020 they got to build more houses. Well, I think a lot of people also realize there's five-year
00:57:06.100 mortgages. And in 2020 and 2019, there was a lot of mortgages that went out because they're at zero.
00:57:12.640 And a lot of people were buying maybe more house than they could afford.
00:57:15.440 And so those mortgages are coming due here generally from June of this year, right up until end of 2025. So you're going now from a 0% or 0.1 or whatever you're fortunate to obtain to a 5, 5, 6, 7, 8% mortgage.
00:57:31.800 how much of a difference in a in a monthly payment would that be i mean i i can't do that math off
00:57:37.380 the top of my head with amortization thrown in and all of that like if you're going from a one
00:57:41.200 percent to a 5.3 or 5.5 i mean monthly you're talking what a difference between 1400 depending
00:57:48.580 on what you've got for a mortgage in the first place uh but you're going from your mortgage rate
00:57:54.680 could go up by a thousand dollars a month essentially some people have said yes is that
00:57:58.900 true that's true wow how would people how would they even manage well most people that they
00:58:06.180 probably can't if you listen to what's going on now with the reports in the paper i mean i'm just
00:58:11.440 using all the information that's out there and that's why i'm monitoring all these policies is
00:58:15.900 because right now they're saying listen people can't even afford to eat put fuel in their car
00:58:20.380 because they're not getting paid enough so how are they going to be able to pay for their
00:58:24.100 accommodation so they're not working i don't know yes last year i went out to vancouver i mean if
00:58:29.480 you ever drove from vancouver uh i drove out there uh rather than fly and the only reason was was
00:58:35.840 convenience but if from burnaby all the way into vancouver it's tent city every single rest stop
00:58:42.540 is nothing but blue tarps and there's people in the ditch i mean we stopped there and got fuel
00:58:47.620 and one's a nurse so she's living in her van she can't get housing it's too expensive so the
00:58:54.980 question becomes well if this is all transpiring you ask the question why would i go to something
00:59:00.060 that it's tangible it's worth money i can sell it anywhere versus a piece of paper that i said
00:59:06.420 the government says it's worth a dollar but every other government in the world says well it's only
00:59:11.680 you know in our country you have to give us a dollar 30 in order to have one of our dollars
00:59:17.180 You've got to say to yourself, I think we'd better look at some other options.
00:59:20.500 So as an organization, we just said, you know what?
00:59:23.100 We've got to be prudent and manage finances just like anybody else would.
00:59:26.900 And so we want to be in a position that we can provide something.
00:59:30.760 And we do have for our members, they can buy into RRSPs.
00:59:34.720 You can do into bank bullion if you want.
00:59:37.540 You can buy it.
00:59:38.220 And we've actually went and spent some time and did a lot of research.
00:59:41.920 And we came up with a trusted partner.
00:59:44.220 and it's a preferred partner of ours is silver gold bull and i'll throw that pitch out there
00:59:48.780 and the reason simply is because they are actually an alberta-based entity um they sell globally
00:59:54.180 around the world you can order it online and uh it's shipped to you 100 secured right to your
00:59:59.760 front door so let me ask you uh kevin i'm seeing in the comments here people are
01:00:04.900 de-dollarization is something people want to talk about obviously but um they they want to know
01:00:11.220 people living in newfoundland nova scotia ontario quebec how can i put my money into bow valley
01:00:16.920 credit union is there even a way to do that are you affiliated with other credit unions across
01:00:22.260 the country and and do they hold the same values that you hold well and um that's an excellent
01:00:28.160 question actually that's something i'm in pursuit of um i am looking for those who are in the same
01:00:34.680 mindset because that is the core values and that's very critical to us and so unfortunately uh you
01:00:40.740 need to be an Alberta resident. There has been some recent changes that have happened in Alberta
01:00:47.100 that has allowed to have other entities in, but it's based on our capital. And it's a big,
01:00:53.120 complicated formula, basically, risk-weighted assets, how much we can do. But bringing that up,
01:01:02.600 it's Alberta-based. If you have a corporation, absolutely, but it has to be an entity out of
01:01:07.380 alberta we have not explored going out of alberta at this point only reason simply is that uh we're
01:01:13.840 busy right now like we are literally backed up and uh unfortunately i know some people are even
01:01:20.740 saying it's like we can't get in accounts we're just overpowered like staffing is an issue but
01:01:26.900 we're trying we uh bear with us we are working on it it is are you all over alberta kevin like in
01:01:33.720 in every city and town? Well, as a matter of fact, actually with a physical branch, no,
01:01:39.120 but as a matter of fact, since 2010, yes. Most of our members actually do it online. So we have
01:01:44.880 telephone banking. Once an account is set up, you can telephone bank, you can use internet banking,
01:01:50.280 online banking, or you can come into any of the branches. You also have Ding Free, which is
01:01:55.560 another option, but we have six branches right now. One just opened up in Atchison. In the future,
01:02:01.800 We're opening up one in the Red Deer area, and we are going to be going across Alberta.
01:02:07.180 We have areas that we have been looking strategically at.
01:02:10.420 But once the account is set up, a lot of the accounts can be opened up, majority of them
01:02:15.440 online.
01:02:16.380 And that's something we have set up as well.
01:02:19.260 And then it's just a matter of some of the regulatory process that's necessary, because
01:02:23.200 as I said before, there are certain things that FinTrack impact even us.
01:02:27.400 And we still have to abide to those rules in regards to credibility of the individual, the bankruptcies, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
01:02:35.060 So there is a little bit of asking.
01:02:36.940 I'm sorry to interrupt you.
01:02:38.000 There's people asking where they can buy gold now.
01:02:40.640 If they're not in Alberta, they can't come to you and buy physical gold.
01:02:43.820 So they want to know where they're thinking the Canadian Mint would be a good place.
01:02:47.380 And as you pointed out, there's other private companies that do sell physical gold and silver.
01:02:53.700 Yes, there is.
01:02:54.580 What was that company that you had mentioned earlier?
01:02:57.820 So there is a few of them out there.
01:02:59.940 We've gone through the process of vetting and going through with silvergoldbull.ca.
01:03:06.020 They're based in Alberta, but they will ship globally, and they do.
01:03:09.160 They have operations in, I think it's 19 countries, including the United States.
01:03:13.740 So they'll ship anywhere in Canada.
01:03:16.180 And that is, again, secured to your door.
01:03:19.560 You can actually even have it stored with them if you so choose.
01:03:24.580 So it doesn't ever have to leave.
01:03:27.040 Bow Valley has got a few different programs that we've set up with Silver Gold Bull
01:03:31.360 that makes that advantageous as well.
01:03:34.560 But if you're a Bow Valley Credit Union member,
01:03:37.200 you also get a bit of a discount with respects to your gold bullion purchase
01:03:41.800 through Silver Gold Bull.
01:03:43.240 So that's just another thing that we have at Bow Valley.
01:03:47.240 Can I set up a dummy address in Alberta to make it look like I'm an Alberta resident
01:03:51.920 so that I can come and bank with you?
01:03:53.480 no you can't sorry that's uh one of the problems that is becoming very prevalent and uh the reason
01:04:01.340 is simply the the governments have basically have indicated that you had to be a resident
01:04:04.920 of the province of alberta and have an address here um and proof of evidence so you can't have
01:04:10.280 a po box number or something like rats so yeah no that doesn't work you know but i mean we're doing
01:04:16.540 other things too with that you know but you can buy it from the royal canadian mint um you know
01:04:21.440 actually uh bemo sells it literally online um but you can actually and they buy it from the mint
01:04:27.980 um actually the reason we picked silver gold i wonder what the markup is when you say bemo right
01:04:33.960 they buy it from the mint then we're going to sell it to you for a reasonable 25 markup on that
01:04:39.220 i don't think so just go buy it from the mint option but they also do have it so you can store
01:04:45.160 it right there at the mint they say they secure it and isolate it for you in the mint i always said
01:04:49.480 well that's okay but i don't know but i think the members may want to consider who owns the
01:04:54.800 canadian mint um so that's where i kind of looked at that yeah you're puzzled wait wait wait wait
01:05:02.660 government would own the canadian mint okay all right well we don't want them knowing that we've
01:05:08.120 got gold because they'll they'll just take it right especially if we store it they'll just
01:05:12.000 give me the key i'm sorry but you can't have yeah give me the key i'm a government guy uh let me ask
01:05:17.360 you about the dollarization kevin we talked a little bit about the countries that have been
01:05:20.860 buying the gold up russia china these are the brics nations and they are and have been for years now
01:05:26.780 getting off the american dollar which weakens the american dollar how does this affect us here in
01:05:32.060 canada if at all i think it's going to affect us uh still pretty significantly um if you you look
01:05:38.900 at the u.s sanctions that have been going on right now it's actually turning around and backfiring
01:05:42.780 You have all the countries that they've sanctioned all working against them.
01:05:47.320 So we just say we're not utilizing any of your currency anymore.
01:05:50.180 So the impacts will be, as long as the Canadian and U.S. trade is strong, that would not be as big as an impact.
01:05:58.340 That said, how strong our economies are outside of Canada, other than the United States,
01:06:04.400 I think we're starting to see a lot of pressures on the Canadian government right now
01:06:08.060 with a lot of the trade agreements and deals they've got
01:06:10.840 that aren't going as well as they had hoped.
01:06:13.860 And there's a lot of work being done on them.
01:06:15.680 So will it affect us?
01:06:17.860 Yeah, there is going to be some effects.
01:06:20.060 What does that look like?
01:06:20.920 Well, that turns and translates back into GDP
01:06:23.140 and our economy growth.
01:06:25.040 Our economy right now is only growing at about 0.5%.
01:06:28.140 So when you think about that, it's not much.
01:06:31.360 Isn't that recession?
01:06:32.060 I mean, is 0.5 growth recession?
01:06:34.720 Well, everybody's trying not to say that word.
01:06:37.120 Nobody wants to say the word recession.
01:06:39.660 Why can't we say the word?
01:06:40.880 You don't want to say the word.
01:06:42.980 0.5 growth to me is recession.
01:06:44.780 Anything less than 2%, right?
01:06:46.880 Well, yeah.
01:06:47.280 You look at the United States right now, they're at 2%.
01:06:49.460 And so here we're sitting at 0.5.
01:06:52.800 And, you know, they're trying, if you look at the numbers that the government has just put out,
01:06:57.080 it's about, they're trying to make it look like about 1.1.
01:06:59.780 But if you really look and dig into the numbers and how they spun it,
01:07:03.140 it works out to be about 0.5 to 0.6.
01:07:06.520 It's not that strong.
01:07:08.340 And so when you look at the sectors that are holding it together right now, well, it's
01:07:12.540 the auto industries, what they've always been pushing.
01:07:14.860 It's also the real estate.
01:07:16.460 Well, there doesn't seem to be any money going into building new houses, but they're
01:07:20.840 trying to push all this and they're saying there's not enough trades to build the houses.
01:07:23.760 So thereby they say it's a stumbling block.
01:07:27.040 So there is a big impact.
01:07:28.880 You have been in this game for a long time, obviously, Kevin, you're the board of directors
01:07:33.620 or sorry, you're the chairman of the board.
01:07:35.760 Bow Valley Credit Union. And again, thank you for coming on tonight. Where do you see things going
01:07:40.900 in the next five years? I see that we need to be seriously engaged as a populace in regards to
01:07:50.240 seeing what's going on with government. Don't just, I always said the same thing before is that,
01:07:55.140 listen, just don't take your money and put it in the front in the bank and just expect everything's
01:07:59.140 going to be great. There has to be, I think over the last 20 years, people have just taken it
01:08:03.960 idly. And I think we've got to get engaged 100%. And I don't know if people realize that there's
01:08:09.400 been a lot of bank policies and things that have changed, regulations, and they're all geared into
01:08:16.360 producing one result. And that is more awareness of every individual's financial affairs and
01:08:22.860 dealings out there for whatever way people want to see it going, good, bad, whatever, indifference.
01:08:29.900 but we can all see that they're collectively trying to get more control and why we don't have
01:08:35.840 any clear ideas but I'll tell you that if we don't as an organizational people just organize
01:08:41.200 ourselves it only takes three percent and three percent of the population can basically make a
01:08:47.040 big difference here and you know what I've been engaged in a lot of things and there's a reason
01:08:53.460 for that you know if there's something that's bothering you get a hold of your mayor get a hold
01:08:57.380 your MLA, get a hold of your MP, city town. I've sent my MP over 500 letters. I've sent to the
01:09:04.260 Senate probably close to 400 letters. I've stopped a bunch of bills that the Senate was trying to put
01:09:10.000 forward. I shouldn't say stop myself, but they've stopped reviewing them. This whole basic income
01:09:17.260 was one. I had been dealing with one of the senators from your great province of Manitoba,
01:09:22.640 who's tabled it and she's tabled it now for the 19th time i must make this very clear 19 times
01:09:30.120 this one bill for basic income and the reducing the voting age to 16 has been put forward i can't
01:09:38.460 believe that after the 19th time i guess they still think it must have legs and so i've been
01:09:44.800 writing her her name mary lou and um it's been a very interesting correspondence until lately when
01:09:51.080 she decided that she doesn't want to have that conversation any longer,
01:09:54.500 but others need to pick up the gauntlet because those are things that are
01:09:58.720 stopped. That actually has stopped. It's not progressing right now.
01:10:02.760 It's, it's sitting in, you know, reading one, but that's,
01:10:06.440 what's going on. There's things that go on in the shadows.
01:10:09.780 And I just don't want people be aware,
01:10:12.820 but also don't get sidetracked because there's a lot of things.
01:10:16.480 I've just mentioned a few bills that are going on that everybody's worried
01:10:20.460 about CBDC. Well, that's one thing, but digital ID is another one. India adopted the digital ID
01:10:27.400 that was in April. Right now, not going so well. Digital ID is far worse than the other. And just
01:10:34.080 so your audience knows that Bo Valley does not agree with either of those or support either of
01:10:39.240 them. Yes. You know, you have to realize that there is online banking. Yes, it is digital. It
01:10:45.520 is interaction through the internet, but it's not a digital ID that has everything regarding your
01:10:50.780 bank account, your health, with how many medications you have had and what you're taking and how long
01:10:55.180 you've been taking it. None of that information. This is strictly banking. So if you need to get
01:11:00.900 a loan, you come in and get a loan or you get it online, but you're not worried about what you're
01:11:05.860 doing. So our position is that autonomy of the individual, their financial success, and we're
01:11:12.760 there to assist in that, but it's up to individuals to have their own financial autonomy. I mean,
01:11:18.420 there's other ones that are out there. I just must mention these quickly is that there's one
01:11:24.020 out there now, the banks, if you've not heard here back in April, they have a requirement that's
01:11:29.160 called a capital call. All the big banks and everybody under the Bank Act are required now
01:11:34.860 to increase the amount of capital they have to lend. The reason is there's concerns. Why are
01:11:40.740 those concerns, the Bank of Canada has asked the banks to increase it by 0.5. So 0.5% on a
01:11:48.360 trillion dollars is pretty big cash. This isn't going to happen overnight. So, you know, everybody
01:11:54.100 might have heard that BMO was trying to buy a big bank in the States. Well, they had to stop.
01:12:00.100 The reason they had to stop is they didn't have the cash. They had to keep it because of this
01:12:04.060 increase on their capital for lending. And the reason that is there's a bill out there called
01:12:09.080 bill 243 the capital requirements on lending in the oil and gas sector um it directly impacts that
01:12:16.180 there's another bill uh c uh 365 is the newest one it's called consumer led lending or banking
01:12:23.260 and that's where they can go and actually have open banking is another thing that's coming out
01:12:28.260 oh yeah yeah yeah and so open banking is simply going around there you can move it around to all
01:12:34.680 these different applications, right? So I know we're running long on time, but maybe another
01:12:40.520 time. But those are big topics that people need to be looking at. Because, you know, in the past,
01:12:46.440 if you wanted to change your financial institution, it was kind of like screenscaping,
01:12:50.300 scraping, sorry. And you would get a password from the individual that wanted to transfer
01:12:54.820 and his login credentials. Well, the government is saying, you know what, we don't think that's
01:12:59.080 very secure i think open banking and this process would be and so what open banking does is gives
01:13:05.780 access to any of these um apps even uh can go right to like apple and all these other ones if
01:13:12.720 you want to just change your investments we're on they basically have access to go right into
01:13:17.140 your account see what everything it is whatever you got and say oh yeah i can move this i can do
01:13:21.240 this with that yeah doesn't open banking just add another uh layer to the the mix i mean it doesn't
01:13:28.360 make any sense to me no and and i think that's the thing that these are all bills that are currently
01:13:33.800 in the house you know there's a last one that was entered here just recently by uh an ndp uh
01:13:40.360 and bc it's bill 372 the fossil fuel advertising act and i mean you got to look at that and
01:13:48.940 there's the there's the climate one and so this is the one that we just got hit with
01:13:53.620 we've just been resolving with the regulators and we finally got our position but there is the
01:14:00.240 climate risk management now on all lending so you know if indeed there is activities we have to be
01:14:07.080 the transactional so we have to evaluate the risk on what what what that's outrageous why don't you
01:14:16.520 just tell them no we're not doing that it's preposterous prove to me that there's climate
01:14:20.780 risk out there before I have to implement this system in my business right and so we've got a
01:14:26.360 way to mitigate that and we have so excellent so so saying that you know we also have to do what
01:14:32.240 they call transitional which is in the future if there's new policies or regulations that come out
01:14:37.860 we have to be able to be astute enough to kind of figure out what that would look like and be
01:14:42.040 prepared to address that in the lending I don't know how that has any effect on lending but
01:14:47.900 Nonetheless, I say that because it's not only us, it's all financial institutions in Canada must do that.
01:14:56.620 So if that does not create a different environment compared to lending in the United States or any other country, yes, there is significance behind that.
01:15:04.680 And I mean, I just, I have to read this to you, Bill 372.
01:15:09.720 And it just says, whereas air pollution caused by fossil fuels leads to millions of premature deaths globally, including tens of thousands of premature deaths in Canada alone, and in a major cause of cancer, respiratory illness, adverse pregnancy outcomes, children's diseases, and cardiovascular symptoms.
01:15:31.280 Whereas fossil fuel production and consumption has resulted in the national public health crisis of sustainable and pressing concern in a way that is similar to the public health crisis caused by tobacco consumption.
01:15:47.300 This is the preamble and just a portion of it from this bill pertaining to Fossil Fuel Advertising Act.
01:15:56.380 And it says, in the context of a climate emergency and whereas the parliament is of the opinion that fossil fuel advertising currently deploys techniques which knowingly mislead the public and fail to disclose the health and environment harms associated in their use.
01:16:16.580 So if you don't think there's a lot of other things to be watching and going to your MLA's
01:16:22.560 about than CBDC, that's my initial statement and why I'm saying that.
01:16:27.320 Okay, one last thing.
01:16:28.600 Why are the banks or some bank branches limiting the amount of money that people can take out?
01:16:33.540 By that, I mean, I can only take out $1,000 or I can't take out money from the teller.
01:16:39.400 Now I have to go to the ATM.
01:16:40.760 People are very upset about that.
01:16:42.220 What's the deal?
01:16:43.040 So it's looking at transitioning.
01:16:46.240 If you were to look at what's going on out there,
01:16:48.040 and I can only make a statement that I think is happening.
01:16:51.540 If you look at the only sector that has not been implicated
01:16:55.340 or impacted at all through COVID, it's the financial sector.
01:17:00.560 It's the only one.
01:17:01.680 Which is the easiest one to address?
01:17:03.640 The financial sector if you're going to run with AI.
01:17:06.140 Why is that?
01:17:06.820 Because you can do everything online.
01:17:08.960 Do you need to use fiat currency from a teller?
01:17:11.200 No, you can just go right over there.
01:17:12.860 the teller can do something else and we can reduce staff because I just said to you all these bills
01:17:17.720 I was just telling you about it's going to impact staff they're going to have to let people go so
01:17:23.040 this is a transitioning that's going on slowly but surely closing branches reducing staff because
01:17:29.520 you can't afford it if you're going to be doing all these applications it's impacting us the
01:17:35.060 regulations and the bureaucracy and the reporting for us alone I'm fearful it's going to be another
01:17:41.360 three people just to deal with regulatory stuff and let me ask you uh what let's just say
01:17:48.560 rbc what kind of earnings at the end of their fiscal year did they report i haven't looked
01:17:54.880 at it lately like how much money did these people make i know they're in the billion but i i don't
01:18:01.360 know how much i didn't look at it recently either sorry um crazy but i do know they got over over
01:18:08.000 80 000 employees so you know when you look at something like that and you look at all the
01:18:13.800 branches and uh even if you look at the environment right now a lot of the entities cannot survive
01:18:20.840 just due to these regulations so they have to merge and and ultimately everybody's saying well
01:18:26.480 it's just like everybody's grouping up and it's just this conglomerate well that's right one bank
01:18:32.720 One bank, one bank, it's coming, it's coming.
01:18:36.400 They're pushing, they're pushing hard
01:18:37.900 because the realities are all these regulations,
01:18:40.660 that's what I keep saying, 3%, push back on this stuff
01:18:44.180 because this is where it starts and it's not sequential.
01:18:48.580 That's the key.
01:18:49.600 As I mentioned, these were actually invoked in 2019,
01:18:53.360 nothing to do with it before.
01:18:54.980 So this has been going on for a little while.
01:18:57.500 Kevin, can you come back in the next couple of weeks?
01:18:59.640 We've got probably a couple more episodes
01:19:01.580 we can get out of you.
01:19:02.720 thank you thank you for coming on tonight we really appreciate it uh have a great night we'll
01:19:12.340 talk to you again soon you betcha have a good night all right there is kevin karpovich he is
01:19:16.840 the chairman of the board the big kahuna the ceo well not the ceo but he is the chairman of the
01:19:23.980 board of bow valley credit union uh with all kinds of interesting information for us tonight
01:19:29.440 And that is it tonight, guys, for the social media portion of the show.
01:19:33.420 We still have plenty to cover on the extension on ShadowDavis.com, including how much did CBC executives give themselves of our money in bonuses this year?
01:19:46.920 That information came out today via post media, and we'll get to that as well.
01:19:52.880 Also, like Kevin pointed out just a couple of minutes ago,
01:19:56.040 the Senate is once again pushing to lower the voting age in Canada from 18 to 16.
01:20:01.920 We're going to explore that as well in the extension coming up in two minutes.
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01:21:07.100 Bye for now.
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01:21:47.740 Thank you.