00:04:23.820kill i'm not going to use the word call because call makes it sound as though
00:04:28.060There's some kind of a reason for this, and in my discussion yesterday with Katie from Universal Ostrich Farm, there is none, and we're going to find out more about that.0.90
00:04:37.500So the federal government's going to move in with their thugs this coming Saturday and try to kill 400 ostriches.
00:04:47.880Some of these ostriches have been on this farm for 35 years or longer.0.98
00:04:55.660As a matter of fact, Katie grew up with some of these.
00:04:59.500So you could say they're like family to her.
00:05:02.740On the show tonight, Katie Positney, who is the daughter of the woman who owns Universal Ostrich Farm.0.55
00:05:09.480She's going to join us in just a second.
00:05:11.120And Carrie Simpson, who has become an incredible advocate for people who have been having problems with government agencies in British Columbia,
00:05:20.440specifically for the past, I don't know, 15 or 20 years.
00:05:23.600i didn't know carrie was involved in this until a couple of hours ago which really really increases
00:05:29.380my optimism that we can get around this because carrie knows what she's doing we're going to bring
00:05:34.120her on in just a couple of minutes but first i thought i would introduce you guys to the world
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00:06:54.980incredibly important show tonight i don't normally do shows on sundays you know that but i'm here
00:07:01.760tonight because this deadline is fast approaching it's next saturday february the 1st the government's
00:07:06.900going to come in with their spacesuit wearing goons and try to kill 400 ostriches it's it's
00:07:13.180astounding to me. So we're going to find out more about all of this over the next hour or so with
00:07:18.680Katie and with Kerry. Let me show you a video I found that was made from Universal Ostrich Farms
00:07:26.880about eight years ago. It's available on YouTube. Let me throw it up for you just so you guys can
00:07:30.960get an idea of what it's like on the farm itself.
00:14:37.260yeah so my partners in this yeah so my mom karen esperson has a business partner dave and jay
00:14:45.900belinsky and um it's been two families working together kind of side by side for over 30 years
00:14:52.700with the same goal in mind that um these ostriches just really are special and so we
00:15:01.460They had partnered, they found a gentleman in Kyoto, Japan, Dr. Sugimoto, and he has just been doing all his own research for decades on the immune system of an ostrich and the natural ability for an ostrich to heal itself and its robust antibodies, which we are all born with.
00:15:25.820We're all born with antibodies that kind of are brought down from our mothers and being, yeah, in the womb.
00:15:34.340And so it's just their robust ability to gain antibodies towards anything that they're exposed to is a marvel.
00:15:46.140And so Dr. Sugimoto in Kyoto, Japan, he has 26 plus worldwide patents and he's very well recognized and respected.
00:15:55.820out of the kyoto university he's also known as dr ostrich and uh they got together and they
00:16:03.580started with a doctor out of boston and usa and they just really dove deep into the immune system
00:16:11.340of an of an ostrich and how can we do good with humanity for humanity with the immune system and
00:16:18.380the antibodies the natural antibodies that an ostrich carries around and so that's where we
00:16:24.540are today is you know we've been hearing about all these mass killings and we have went through0.99
00:16:32.960covid and we've had avian flu before and then now we're back with avian flu again the h5n10.85
00:16:38.740before we go into the avian flu situation here this h5n1 that they keep threatening us with it
00:16:45.500seems like every couple of months they'll say whoa it's jumped to a human and and you go wait0.97
00:16:49.740a minute wait a minute hold on just a second i mean how did that happen this is not supposed to
00:16:55.100happen in the natural world but that's the side i was talking to a couple of people in abbotsford
00:17:00.780this morning who were telling me just what you said that there's been chicken farms that have
00:17:06.480been ordered culled by the cfia and the reason is this avian flu you guys at the ostrich farm a few
00:17:16.260years ago had an outbreak of something right it wasn't avian flu it was something else
00:17:23.020i'm really glad that you brought that up because that's very important here so in 2020 we had
00:17:29.800these exact same symptoms and back then we dealt with it like we normally do on the farm you call
00:17:36.860the vet and let him know you know listen we're having these symptoms and we have had some deaths
00:17:42.900and were concerned about it so the vet at that time i'm sorry to interrupt you what are the
00:17:47.780symptoms that they would show yeah so um kind of like cold like symptoms they would have really
00:17:54.920bright green feces which um so poop and they would have a little bit of a cough and they would get
00:18:03.140even a little bit of the reddish eyes okay so you you see that and you go oh we've got something0.74
00:18:09.160going on here and so that's when you go in yourselves and separate them right yeah we do
00:18:15.220we always take away so if there's anybody that's sick they always get that we have separate pens
00:18:19.780and they get removed and they so that we can treat them and heal them and give them the time
00:18:24.160for recovery you know i find it interesting that you refer to them as people it's like do you notice
00:18:30.320that carrie oh i oh yeah yeah she said anybody who's sick yeah it's not like she's talking about
00:18:36.780animal she's talking about people anyway let's get back to that outbreak that supposed outbreak
00:18:41.440that you had a few years back so in 2020 our vet said hey please we need some tissue samples
00:18:48.440and so we had a recent we had a death we got fresh tissue samples and got them two of them
00:18:54.860right away they got to the lab and very soon after it came positive back positive for a bacteria
00:19:01.680pseudonomous and so it's just a really it's a really bad bacteria but it can be it can be in
00:19:08.300the soil it can god explained to us that it could even have got transferred from a tourist
00:19:13.240instead of just petting or being around the ostrich so we treated at that time we did have
00:19:18.720we had 10 deaths at that time but we had a much smaller herd of ostrich at that time
00:19:24.580and speed up to 2024 December we start noticing that we're having same symptoms so right away
00:19:36.560they start treating my mom and Dave start treating them as we did in 2020 and um but we did notice
00:19:44.540that it was a little stronger like it kind of was going you know one would get sick and there was
00:19:50.240but the ones that were getting sick i have to note i've been the ones that all were have been
00:19:55.840on our farm 2020 after so it's all all of our younger ostrich that are going going through the
00:20:03.720symptoms and with those are the losses that we've occurred incurred um so we phoned our vet left a
00:20:10.300message but because it was through the holidays we hadn't heard back yet and on the 28th the
00:20:16.020anonymous call goes into CFIA saying, oh, somebody's sure we have avian flu. So that's where CFIA
00:20:25.300phones the farm and says we have had an anonymous tip that you have birds that have died and
00:20:32.760someone's sure you have it. We went through the symptoms at that time with CFIA explaining the
00:20:38.320symptoms and we're explaining that we've had some symptomatic but some are getting better
00:20:44.640and cfia right away says yeah that doesn't sound like avian flu because animals don't get better
00:20:52.180they just they they succumb to their illness really quickly so they asked that time if they
00:20:58.060if we would call them when we have another mortality and um so we did we called them on
00:21:03.960the 29th and um i'm sorry to interrupt you but at this time so this is like right after christmas
00:21:11.120you tell them that it seems like this bacteria we had a few years ago they go yes doesn't sound
00:21:16.380like the avian flu so they're pretty easy going they're they're laid back they're not too concerned
00:21:21.080at this stage so easy going don't worry about it we're just going to come take a test off them and
00:21:28.660you know let's just rule it out that it's not avian flu and my mom at the time was of course
00:21:34.700yeah let's rule that out because it's not even on our minds because it hasn't even been a case
00:21:39.540in ostrich in Canada like it's in Canada so that was not on our radar and then in the 29th so they
00:21:47.940caught we called them but there was there was a couple deaths mortalities and they could come
00:21:53.020test them that was around in the early afternoon so those uh mortality those those two ostrich
00:22:00.740laid there uh till the next day at about one o'clock in the afternoon cfia came out here where
00:22:06.680you know where we're located we're kind of in the middle of nowhere so it would have been a good
00:22:10.860drive let me stop you for one second katie i'm sorry to interrupt you again but i'm going back
00:22:16.980to this anonymous tip and i'm looking at your location on this map here and guys this is this
00:22:24.740is where universal ostrich farms is located there's colonna that's did you say a two-hour drive katie
00:22:32.240two and a half two and a half and then over here you got to take a ferry to get across this lake
00:22:38.140here this arrow lake if you want to go to nelson or castle guard it's not near anything except
00:22:44.940edgewood which as you say is about a 15 minute drive south it's a town of roughly eight or 900
00:22:50.520people how much interaction is there between the farm your mom and people in general i'm really
00:22:59.900really curious who might have you know issued this anonymous tip is there any enemies that you
00:23:08.840might have in town or is it something else altogether and i can see the look on carrie's
00:23:14.400face i think she's probably got a suspicion too do you have a suspicion carrie
00:23:19.440all the usual suspects you know and and you know hopefully through the course of
00:23:26.840the litigation um we'll find that out for sure okay katie please continue you you guys are isolated
00:23:35.740and uh i i don't know how anybody would even know about the deaths first of all aside from
00:23:42.420your mom and and probably she called you and and your siblings but other than that and dave right
00:23:48.680but other than that like who would know this so we do have a couple neighbors on the road i mean
00:23:53.960i don't know i don't know you know you always hope that somebody would approach you first and
00:23:59.480be like hey are you guys doing okay is something wrong but um so i don't know the anonymous tip
00:24:05.060goes in and um we are we don't so where we are um we're not big in the community my mom is so busy
00:24:14.340on the farm that she might pop into the store once every two weeks um that's the edgewood general
00:24:21.280store my mom because my dad is a paraplegic he's at home too so she cares for him she cares for
00:24:29.160the ostrich is and uh she is not off the farm very much so the ostriches are very isolated they're
00:24:36.860all in their own pen and um especially this time of year we just do not have tourists uh tourists
00:24:43.840here so in answering your question and guys look at this i mean this is the map this this is highway
00:24:52.060six which is the highway you have to take if you want to get to vernon and then kelowna ultimately
00:24:58.100here is granby provincial park this is mountainous that you can't walk through here i mean like it's
00:25:03.940not like anybody is going to get to this place unless they follow the private road in am i right
00:25:12.620about that absolutely correct yeah okay so there's no chance if you had to isolate if you had to
00:25:20.700quarantine that anybody could get in without you knowing it yeah we under quarantine too when they
00:25:28.860put us under quarantine after those lab results which we will get to i guess just finishing that
00:25:34.240storyline of what happened but i mean gates are locked they're all in their own uh high
00:25:42.100wildlife fencing so six foot fencing you would literally have to go open a gate and go in with
00:25:49.920them and and come down our dead end road yeah to get into there so and interestingly i mean i'm not
00:25:57.520like you know we played the video off the top of the show of those ostriches they're big and can be
00:26:03.580mean i i don't think i'd want to walk in the midst of 400 ostriches as a stranger yeah the uh they
00:26:15.400they are very dangerous. Even when they're fighting amongst themselves and just doing0.79
00:26:20.920their own pecking order thing, they are very dangerous. So they have, it's very important to
00:26:27.160say like over the 35 years, my mom has, they've been around them. They have a great deal of
00:26:34.100respect for my mom and Dave, the ostrich. There's a pecking order. They know that they are the food
00:26:40.840source they protect them there's some young ones that can be really bratty like a teenager
00:26:45.980but we have um but we have just such a they have such a rapport with them and a respect that
00:26:52.980that's irreplaceable because these are year like 30 year old animals that see them as as their
00:27:00.120parents they see them as mom and dad almost right so getting back to the the story of this particular
00:27:07.100bacterial infection and what happened after say december the 29th please yeah yeah so cfiaa comes
00:27:14.300on the 30th at about one o'clock in the afternoon they come and they do two pcr tests one pcr test
00:27:22.440or um two pcr tests sorry per bird one uh orally one rectally on each bird no tissue samples were
00:27:32.320taken at that time they just performed the pcr tests at that's at that time we asked cfia we said
00:27:38.880do you mind testing some of our healthy ostrich just to make sure we're where you know if it's
00:27:46.060where it where it's at and make sure they're still healthy and um there was about four people
00:27:51.080standing there all saying yeah like can we that's a great idea and cfia said no that's not possible
00:27:57.460So they left the farm at that point, and they drove back to the city.
00:28:04.020And by 2 o'clock in the afternoon the next day, we got a lab, Abbotsford Lab called us,
00:28:11.180that we were supposedly positive with H5N1.
00:28:18.980Because of the PCR test on two deceased ostriches that had been laying there for 16 hours.
00:28:24.460a pcr test is not a conclusive test of anything we discovered that through the ridiculousness of
00:28:33.020the last five years and there's still you i mean you can find anything with a pcr test if you cycle
00:28:39.820it high enough you could find the plague for goodness so i've been learning
00:28:45.580so so based upon a pcr test they told you that all of your ostriches had to be culled because
00:28:55.980of h5n1 was that how it just happened like immediately like that so the yeah right away
00:29:03.760that so that's the 31st on the 34st we uh on the 31st we received by email quarantine documents
00:29:11.240putting us under quarantine that the ostrich across the road because um yeah there's two
00:29:17.900sections one uh across the road on land jill road is our home residence and one side of the
00:29:24.720public road is our ostriches so they're all under quarantine and uh and a document so that's fine
00:29:32.440we already started those quarantine measures when we found out like that they were sick we were
00:29:37.260moving the sick ones in we we were doing our foot baths we did things we always do our own
00:29:42.960due diligence but um it was kind of funny because january 2nd they send us out papers on how to run
00:29:52.220a quarantine so they must have not been that worried between the 31st and the 2nd that we
00:29:57.040didn't you know we knew how to run the quarantine well it's the holidays they're spending time with
00:30:02.480their family they can't be bothered to stop an outbreak of the avian flu for goodness sakes
00:30:08.000right priorities yeah i'm blown away by this so you went out and you got your own testing done
00:30:17.620on this right you must have after this pcr diagnosis did you call your veterinarian we did
00:30:24.500it's a it's a really great thing that you just brought up though because once we were put under
00:30:28.520that quarantine law um it is states in there that we are not allowed to personally treat or test
00:30:36.560our ostriches otherwise we are punishable up to a fine of two hundred thousand dollars or six
00:30:42.340months in jail okay that's ridiculous carrie have you heard of such a thing before
00:30:47.420well there's a few acts here and there um shadow that that you know have the threat of imprisonment
00:30:56.240and uh fines but i can tell you um the the act under which the canadian food inspection agency
00:31:03.700acts is in conjunction with the animal health act and it is tyrannical it is draconian and
00:31:11.140far-reaching and you know maybe even um outside the proper rule of government in its overreach
00:31:18.860and certainly from a legal point of view we're looking at all that you know the the challenge
00:31:25.060that that has faced us is the precedents are are not really available here because they do they
00:31:33.460break the farmers they break them emotionally they break them physically because just the
00:31:38.020exhaustion and katie can speak to the protocols that have to go in place but for instance there
00:31:43.780was a farmer in alberta and they were concerned about bovine tuberculosis he had 2500 beef cattle
00:31:52.040out on the range. He was forced to quarantine them. And he wanted to fight. That's a lot of
00:31:59.760beef, right? But what did they do? Once you quarantine, can you imagine trying to feed
00:32:05.600the cost of feeding 2,500 beef cattle that are normally fattened out on the range? And the same
00:32:14.200thing for the chickens. So we've had 8 to 10 million chickens culled just in the last few
00:32:19.400months here in British Columbia under the auspices of avian flu. So what they do to the commercial
00:32:27.260farmers is they have them close off their barns. Then they bring in CO2. They have them turn off
00:32:35.480the fans. Any of the farmers you'll talk to will talk about that heartbreaking moment when they
00:32:41.580have to pull the switch on the fan. And then they just blow in CO2 and gas all the chickens.
00:32:48.180Then the farmer is responsible for cleaning them up, the disinfecting and receives a, you know, a price for them from the government to reimburse them supposedly for the loss.
00:33:01.440It usually doesn't cover it, but at least it does mitigate the expenses.
00:33:04.940But so what these chicken farmers have told me, they said, Carrie, we can't afford to fight because we're looking at, you know, years legal battle here.
00:33:13.900Right. If we want to start talking about the constitutional charter rights, you know, of government overreach, if we want to talk about the CFI Act, the shadow, they talk about animals and things.
00:33:28.280They just put in the word thing there. So anything can go. What do you mean by a thing?
00:33:33.540Can you imagine them going to a court if they were required to and getting a warrant that we need the thing?
00:33:40.800You know, the judge would laugh and go, what the hell are you talking about? Right.
00:33:44.560So this act is draconian. It's tyrannical. It's it is punitive.
00:33:51.780um and well what i don't understand i'm sorry to interrupt you is is that you know now katie and
00:33:59.560her mom are in this situation where they can't go out and get their own testing done because these
00:34:04.960guys have already deemed that h5n1 is in fact prevalent on the farm but it's a pcr test and
00:34:12.420again i mean a pcr test is wrong it it it is not the gold standard no i don't care what they said
00:34:20.380you're in COVID. It is not a gold standard of anything. Right. I'm sorry. What you're raising
00:34:27.620is the most crucial. When we look at what is the real motivation here? If the CFIA agents were
00:34:36.980truly concerned about public health, animal health, all the rest of it, they would be doing whatever
00:34:43.080they could possibly do. Number one, I agree with you. The location of this farm is a living
00:34:48.440laboratory if you're truly interested in finding out what's gone on here why aren't some of the
00:34:54.120birds dying why are some of the birds dying um was the 2020 situation with the pseudonymous you
00:35:01.800know a factor in this are we dealing with pseudonymous and not think we should be testing
00:35:06.500for that why didn't they do a full autopsy why didn't they take tissue samples why didn't they
00:35:11.540do you know all the things that they need to do to really hit what you just said the gold standard
00:35:17.620of finding out what are we really dealing with here. They don't want to know. They don't want
00:35:23.280the healthy animals tested. Do the healthy animals have natural immunity to pseudonomas? Do they have
00:35:29.060natural immunity to avian flu? This is a perfect scientific opportunity to find out so much
00:35:36.960about really stopping avian flu or mitigating the harm to the poultry industries.
00:35:43.220Katie, have you had any deaths since December the 29th on the farm?
00:35:51.820Well, as you know, in large numbers of animals, you know, yeah, you come into these situations.0.81
00:36:00.900And the number might sound high, but in some situations, I've heard that you can have a chicken farm and a mink can get in and take out 60 chickens in a night.
00:36:10.260um so i i we look we we're up to 69 of our young uh ostrich have succumbed to this
00:36:17.760but the um they're the ones that now have hit their herd immunity natural immunity that they're
00:36:26.460trying to stamp out uh are doing fantastic so we are at well over uh we're almost we're going
00:36:34.380into two weeks um super here soon i have no no deaths and the ones that have been symptomatic
00:36:41.020um we have well over 35 that have responded to treatment they have been treated because
00:36:48.280cfia from the day one my mom was very open she's been treating them she started treating them before
00:36:55.340cfia and she was continuing because she it's an oath to your animal you don't withhold treatment
00:37:02.660and watch prolonged suffering when you know you have an answer
00:37:25.940Yeah, my mom has her own little methods.
00:37:28.980I think we'll kind of stay quiet about that right now
00:37:32.140just because there's an important follow-up here yeah um in 2020 when they had this pseudonymous
00:37:40.160they also treated and the animals recovered now if in fact there's a treatment and whether this
00:37:46.980is pseudonymous whether this is avian flu whether this is one of you guys have a speaker on because
00:37:52.200i'm hearing a reverb or an echo of carrie's voice here and i don't have one yeah yeah okay
00:38:01.000you think that they would be interested in this like you know why are some animals
00:38:10.640why did those 35 animals that were showing symptoms now better you know but again this
00:38:17.260they're not interested in the science they're not interested in finding um maybe something
00:38:22.740that's worth more investigation here the other front on this too that's really important and
00:38:28.120we're all watching the countdown um the time for worrying about um infection is 14 days after the
00:38:36.400last infection so we're all weeks to flatten the curve right you know what this is all sounding
00:38:44.120way too familiar i'm sorry to interrupt you but the pcr all of a sudden you're positive you're
00:38:49.700locked down you're dying now they didn't try to cull humans at least not overtly well i thought
00:38:55.960that would be an appropriate meme of an ostrich looking over to a few people and say they're
00:39:01.000trying to kill us too you know i'm looking at like you alluded to something earlier katie and
00:39:08.960that was what cfia said to you on december the 28th when you called to tell them what was going on
00:39:17.400h5n1 would kill every single bird on the farm am i right oh absolutely um when they visited
00:39:27.720yesterday or not yesterday the day before friday they um so they came to do a protocol check0.93
00:39:34.760which is also a little questionable why are you doing a protocol check if you're going to
00:39:39.240kill them right away and they came and um they even said my mom at the very end my mom said like
00:39:47.220do you see any sick or unhealthy animals here right now? And they said, no, we don't, but they0.93
00:39:54.580are sick. And my mom was like, I don't understand that statement. And he said, no, they've all
00:40:01.860been exposed. They're all sick, even though they're in separate pens too. All of our elder
00:40:09.680birds from 2020 prior are all in their own separate pen. And at that same time too, which
00:40:16.320was very alarming for me and my family uh they said just so you know february 1st you're we are
00:40:23.780allowed to enter your home and take any byproduct or thing we want to do with ostrich out of your
00:40:32.360home carrie are they allowed to do that yes well under the act now whether that act um is legal
00:40:41.780Nobody's ever challenged that shadow so that, you know, this is what our team of lawyers now is, is looking at all these various aspects. Is this act overreaching? Is this within, you know, should they need a warrant before they go in and take the thing? That's who knows what the thing is, right? So, you know, again, yeah, the thing, the thing.
00:41:04.740right so i mean katie you said that you can't test now if you test it's what was it a fine of
00:41:14.920twenty thousand dollars or something like that if you go off on on your own and get your own
00:41:19.140private veterinarian and possible jail time am i right yeah up to two hundred thousand dollars
00:41:25.260fine up to and uh six months in jail so we are also really i mean how does any of this make
00:41:34.560sense like we're scratching our heads saying so these are our animals on our land and they are
00:41:40.720sick and we cannot do an independent test to make sure that maybe half of them have no there's
00:41:47.680nothing at all like you're not allowing to us to do a new tissue sample off any new new new birds
00:41:53.520or you know anything like that so it's it is very alarming that it's isolated to h5n1 and that's all0.94
00:42:02.500want it they just that's all they're seeing and that's all they want to see it feels like0.87
00:42:06.660so if this were h5n1 every single ostrich on this farm would be deathly ill right now or0.93
00:42:14.180already dead that's established and they say that the symptoms are no symptoms at all
00:42:21.460they've all been exposed these birds are all sick but obviously that makes no sense and because
00:42:27.140you've been prevented from going outside to speak with a private veterinarian you can't
00:42:31.540do any proof which is probably exactly what they want when we were going to go to oh sorry carrie
00:42:39.260did you want to go ahead i'll go ahead because this is one of the most important challenges
00:42:47.540um that this family is being denied the opportunity through private testing
00:42:54.080more accurate testing why not take these tissue samples tell us how you transported
00:42:59.920your samples and we'll do the exact same thing to our experts we'll follow your protocols
00:43:05.780whatever you know this family and i think that's why i was willing to dedicate some time to this
00:43:12.400um shadow because this family has done everything right they take very seriously the health of their
00:43:18.720animals they take very seriously their responsibilities to animal health to the best
00:43:24.360of our knowledge, there's been no other testing of farms around them. If CFIA was so concerned,
00:43:30.920they would be looking for all these other farms. They'd be going and saying, okay,
00:43:35.100we're going to go talk to, you know, all the people with poultry to see what's going on.
00:43:40.740Again, you know, is this a safe environment to find out what's really going on here? They
00:43:45.600do not want to know. We have top immunologists. We have top doctors and researchers with UBC
00:43:53.300willing to help. We have one of the most esteemed immunologists, he's created a test to see if the
00:44:03.260other birds have natural immunity. And CFIA is saying, you can't test them. You can't come on
00:44:11.700this property. You can't do anything. They are not offering to do the test for us if they're so
00:44:17.900concerned about our health and well-being so there's there's something going on here that
00:44:22.920is not adding up and um we're going to expose it and we're going to deal with it is i mean obviously
00:44:30.580they know what you guys are doing with those antibodies katie it is and it's it's all natural
00:44:38.260i just you know and that's what i think i'm talking about i'm sorry the government knows
00:44:42.400what you guys are doing is you say it's all natural i mean there's a 580 is it a 580 million
00:44:49.440dollar 590 million dollar moderna vaccine plant that's being uh opened in canada or already is
00:44:57.120open in canada and they don't want any natural remedies they don't want to be competent they
00:45:03.340don't want something that actually works and that's so we're so proud of is just was that
00:45:09.700we've just been working with the natural immunity they've hit herd immunity they're they're you know
00:45:14.700they lived to 75 years they're like one of the most latest prehistoric fossils of an ostrich is
00:45:20.180like 21 million years old uh of an ostrich uh astruthio it's just very fascinating like they're
00:45:27.040a pretty cool animal and um we are what we're are what we're trying to do here is we're hoping we
00:45:34.000can help protect other farms help other animals and if they're exposed to something whatever they
00:45:40.040whatever it is that natural antibodies can start to help heal these other animals and we can get
00:45:48.040rid of you know whatever the government is saying like i just we want to be on the pro side of
00:45:53.820natural we want to help other farmers and we want to stop this mass killing because the mass killing
00:45:59.560is not working um and how many healthy animals have to die before we start to revisit science
00:46:06.440and you know i i'm sorry carrie interrupt you here and maybe this is what you were going to talk
00:46:11.160about as well i find it odd that cfia would say to you i mean like if they're so concerned about this
00:46:19.000getting out there somehow and they want to kill all 400 ostriches on the farm why do they need
00:46:25.400your records you said that they told you they can come into your home and they can get0.64
00:46:31.240whatever records whatever anything related that they want why do they need that
00:46:38.200what's that all about anybody help i don't know no you know what so i'll i'll come back to that
00:46:47.320but i want to because this all works together shadow okay all right um katie uses the word
00:46:52.520natural i look at it differently i look at it how are we best to protect the interest of farmers
00:46:59.280the food supply that means the canadian public cost wise taxpayer wise i mean every time one
00:47:05.960of those barns with a million chickens in it gets gassed that's costing taxpayers millions and
00:47:12.160millions of dollars to to compensate the farmer with so forget natural forget anything this living
00:47:19.140laboratory can give us a lot of answers. And maybe the answer will be in the realm of natural
00:47:26.160antibodies, antigens being given to other animals. Maybe it is the antigen putting on a mask to save
00:47:34.400humans that have to deal with diseases. Who knows? But we have an opportunity to do that here.
00:47:40.980Now, why do they need the records? I think there's nothing good about that. I think it's
00:47:46.540completely. We don't want any record to exist that actually shows that there was a solution
00:47:52.880to the problem. Isn't it interesting that right now, I kind of smiled on Friday when Alberta
00:47:59.700released the report saying that they did not follow the science, right? The science said
00:48:05.360something very different. Well, the science in this case, the science we know, the science that
00:48:10.360this family is living every day and experiencing is very different than let's stamp out all the
00:48:18.060domesticated birds. So, you know, just like COVID, just like we don't want to know. I mean,
00:48:23.400how many of us, you know, challenge the orders? We didn't take the vaccine. Have they called us
00:48:29.400up and said, you know, can we just ask you about your experience and why you're not dead? They
00:48:34.160don't want to know, right? You know, and what we don't know doesn't mean we have to change the
00:48:40.200course. Now, there's something very suspicious about this too, Shadow, is that all the directors
00:48:48.340are coming down from the WHO, the World Health Organization for Animal Health, okay, is in deep
00:48:55.040on this. And the CFIA defers to the World Health Organization for Animals, all right? So since when
00:49:03.860did we as canadians you know start giving deferential treatment um or accord to a outside
00:49:12.360agency that doesn't have any ability to govern us right so this is now giving our rights away
00:49:19.000to a different organization so wait wait wait a minute this is the first time hearing of this
00:49:25.060you're telling me that the world health organization for animals is the organization
00:49:31.240that's guiding the CFIA and the bureaucrats
01:10:26.440We will do the war. I will do the war for you. Just tell me what needs to be done here0.56
01:10:31.580You don't have to give your names. You don't have to tell them who you are. Just tell me what needs to be done so we can bring some reasoned approaches to protecting human health, animal health for Canada. Right. And so hopefully they'll they'll take up my invitation.
01:10:50.420Well, Kerry, I am seeing, and you know what, guys, in the comments, you're watching this right now, I am seeing a lot of suggestions of, you know what, it's not overt, but they're suggesting be prepared for some kind of violence.
01:11:09.360Katie, you had mentioned that these CFIA inspectors, the ones that came out to the farm in their spacesuits, they brought RCMP out with them, correct, the last time they were there?
01:11:20.420yeah they brought out uh two rcmp cruisers because they said just for their safety
01:11:25.940and we had 20 really nice peaceful supporters standing out there holding signs saying
01:11:31.300the world is watching yeah i saw the photos uh yeah so so these these folks you know you guys
01:11:39.860we cannot i i saw somebody write down guns we cannot we cannot do that stuff no we can't
01:11:48.900we can do this together together is stronger we can do this peacefully yeah at this point
01:11:55.420the you know we are working all the angles on the legal front shadow clearly we have an election
01:12:02.300coming up if you want to make this an election issue you guys that's another issue because
01:12:07.440this isn't just about 400 ostriches although right now we're just trying to save those
01:12:13.180this is about every canadian's right to have a reasonable government where there are processes
01:12:21.760of appeal when bureaucrats don't do what's necessary this is an opportunity to make sure
01:12:27.940that these various agencies that we as canadians fund um you know way too much by the way um are
01:12:35.380actually doing what's right not what's convenient not what's easy not what's in the interest of
01:12:41.320other stakeholders like big pharma who might make billions and billions and billions of dollars
01:12:46.480off of you know creating a perceived new vaccine one of the top doctors in this case you guys said
01:12:53.900to me um carrie on the vaccine front sure we can look at that but we know vaccines you you would
01:13:01.980have to vaccinate you would have to booster and then eventually the avian flu will morph because
01:13:07.980it'll want to become a super bug and we could end up with something more tragic than what's
01:13:14.020happening now so we really have an opportunity here to step back and not you know act in the
01:13:21.720interest of money not act in the interest of ego or saving a bureaucratic ass because that's another
01:13:30.000thing that will come into this you know somebody makes a decision they have to go all out to
01:13:35.180protect their position in the decision, even if it's a wrong one. We have to have leadership.
01:13:41.480Well, leadership, let me use that word again. Leadership, which this country is so deficient
01:13:46.540in on every political level that says, no, we're going to do this right. The more I look at this
01:13:52.640farm and your map just says it all, Shadow, we have such an opportunity here for a live and
01:13:59.440living laboratory that's not going to cost Canadians $50 million to build, by the way.
01:14:04.520it's sitting there it's already there and study what evidence and information we have which is
01:14:11.020in abundance right now but it has to be done right and it has to be done with the proper motives
01:14:17.200i have third oh i'm sorry i'm sorry katie go ahead go ahead go ahead you're on a roll go ahead
01:14:22.060there was there was one really quick there it's just stuck out in my mind you keep mentioning
01:14:33.700sits extremely high on the board as for the livestock tracking committee
01:14:40.400interesting and it's like there's just things that just keep like us just sitting here going
01:14:46.780how does any of this make sense well it makes sense actually but how does this make yeah how
01:14:53.080does this make reasonable sense that you're going to kill 400 ostrich and not not even and worry
01:14:59.580about the migratory birds you know the interesting thing yeah these are flightless birds they're not
01:15:04.460going they're not going anywhere yeah um you never think you're going to be the one until you're the
01:15:09.840one who's picked right i mean and all of a sudden i i'm so happy that so many canadians are
01:15:17.340marshalling uh whatever they can to get behind you here this this is a matter of saving other farms
01:15:26.280like yours but it's also a matter of this is about a family right this is this is about killing
01:15:37.560your own family and this is wrong i'm not sure if you know this about carrie but she's been0.99
01:15:45.400a pain in the ass for many governments in british columbia over the years and she even brought one0.96
01:15:50.320down as a matter of fact and she you're very well connected carrie have you spoken to the mlas or0.98
01:15:56.280the mps of this area have they said anything have they gotten back oh clearly a shadow there is a
01:16:04.380whole um political firestorm brewing on this one right but you know like all politicians
01:16:11.760they wait for me to give them the briefing notes and the speaking notes and then
01:16:16.500decide whether this issue is worth it or not, right? And so we have to, you know, I've learned
01:16:23.200this over the years, just become the bigger bully. You know, their hearts don't have to be in it. If
01:16:29.020they're scared of what's going to happen, if they're not going to get elected, that's the greatest
01:16:32.920ticket we have, politically speaking. The courts are a different story here. And we've talked about
01:16:39.400the courts and the corruption within the courts and how they're in the pocket of, you know, the
01:16:45.040the state and how that has to change. The courts and I intend to make sure that the judges know
01:16:51.720that the world is watching. Canadians are watching here. And ironically, 400 ostriches may be able to
01:16:59.300do more good for Canada than all the people who died during COVID, who, you know, all of those
01:17:05.740issues and issues before. I mean, we've been around this, Ben. The problem that you and I have at this
01:17:10.460age and stage, you know, we watched the jokes around the swine flu. Remember the swine flu,
01:17:15.860right? And, you know, if anybody had ever read the information certificate, you know,
01:17:21.940which was called the product information guide pig, you got to give these people credit. They
01:17:26.900do have a bizarre sense of humor that they play out on us people, right? You know, I think Canadians1.00
01:17:33.640just have to stand up. This is this, you know, I'd say this is a matter. Yes, the family and
01:17:39.080these ostriches and all the rest of it but this is a matter of national security this is a matter0.98
01:17:44.220of you know national citizens coming together across the line and i'd say even the united
01:17:51.380states i mean the calls of support that we have got this is the world is literally watching here
01:17:56.540to see what happens with this because the avian flu and its destructive um consequences to the
01:18:05.240economic well-being of farmers and families you know knows no boundaries right there is no wall
01:18:11.640on the border you can put up for this so the interest is global here the interesting thing
01:18:17.600here i'm finding is um the the support of the people and comments and by the way this is only
01:18:25.420the live audience in the next few days i expect that this particular show will have been seen by
01:18:30.00050 000 people maybe more yeah um if this should come to pass katie and i'm really hoping that it
01:18:38.240doesn't but the deadline is very close you were suggesting on the phone that you want witnesses
01:18:45.980there you want people there to bear witness it's not just about videoing a dozen people in their
01:18:52.780spacesuits killing ostriches this is about something that you if they're going to come
01:18:58.380in and do that all right that's fine but do it in front of 500 people go ahead here's your audience
01:19:03.220and we're going to stream this out to the world i mean seriously yeah how committed is this
01:19:08.840courtney fatheringham and her people to making this happen yeah if i've you know i said the world
01:19:16.660is watching and it's not just watching to see if you know if it plays out well they're watching
01:19:22.040and they're going to continue to watch and watch every animal, you know, be euthanized by these
01:19:29.740people in their spacesuits that come. And if that's what they follow through, then the world's
01:19:34.380going to watch that. And, you know, I pray it doesn't get to that. We have such an opportunity
01:19:41.860here to make such an amazing change for everybody. But the world is watching and it's going to
01:19:48.340continue to watch uh january 31st and february 1st so i ask everybody to come in solidarity
01:19:55.880you know you know in unity are you telling people you want them to come to the farm
01:20:00.660because they will yeah no absolutely we have said um everybody you know save your energy for
01:20:08.100an update from us hopefully it's a little bit more positive than though what we need but we
01:20:12.800we do welcome everybody to come visit us here at the farm and show their support in a very peaceful
01:20:18.160manner respecting the quarantine boundary we're not trying to poke any bear here you know but we
01:20:25.700can all do this and stand in numbers and together we are stronger so hopefully yeah support is always
01:20:31.260nice and i just pop in there um shadow so save our ostriches.com save our ostriches everybody's
01:20:39.700going to learn how to spell ostriches save our ostriches.com will continuously have updates
01:20:46.660and this is important you know so we'll let people know about what's happening with the court action
01:20:53.140we'll let people know if we get the stay of execution those kinds of things so people can
01:20:57.900make decisions based on real-time information so saveourostridges.com so just s-o-o just remember
01:21:06.900saveourostridges and then saveourostridges at gmail.com is the email address there's information
01:21:15.840on how you can donate there's information on um how you can keep in touch all of these things of
01:21:21.920course now please people know like we're putting this together literally on the fly i there is a
01:21:27.720team of people that didn't sleep for a number of days trying to get all of this up because we have
01:21:35.720to mobilize and keep people informed make sure that that information is out there so again sharing
01:21:43.040this show um all shadows viewers know how important that is the shadow davis grapevine and
01:21:50.980maybe we'll call it the great vine instead of grapevine the great these these ostriches and
01:21:58.260these like this is frank yeah this is lovely lulu yeah this one q-tip
01:22:05.920he's got a really white fuzzy top fuzzy head
01:22:10.540wow i wouldn't have been able to tell that they were different except for q-tip obviously but
01:22:17.080these two i'm looking at going oh it's the same ostrich just it's a mirror image shot but it's
01:22:20.820not that's frank and then there's lovely lulu and we have one named rising oh sorry go ahead
01:22:25.980we have one named regretta.ca um bc rising.ca bc rising all one word.ca guys i've put the i've
01:22:33.860copied the link into all of the different comments and all the different platforms you're watching
01:22:38.140on right now so go ahead and and go look and sign up there and and make sure you go back and check
01:22:44.040regularly for updates and this is going to be a week a crazy week it is all right is there
01:22:52.140anything we forgot to talk about anything that we forgot to bring up any key points that we're
01:22:56.940missing here anything at all i don't think we missed it but i just want to sort of put it
01:23:02.620together. 2025, we are all going to be party to probably one of the most adventurous, epic years
01:23:13.760of our existence between what's happening across the globe, south of us, and in Canada. The people
01:23:21.780in Canada are waking up to the issues that have been dragging this nation down. And if we don't
01:23:30.620step up right now, Shadow, whether it's on food security, saving 400 ostriches, saving our
01:23:36.960families. We're in dire straits here. We do not have the luxury of time to go, oh, well,
01:23:46.020sensibility at the political front will prevail. We need to make it prevail. Please, when you go
01:23:51.800and talk to these politicians, don't just listen to them. I was at an event last night where a
01:23:57.280politician who wants to be elected, is talking about all the problems. Not once did he mention
01:24:01.880the solutions. People, please, what are you going to do about it? In this matter, write to them,
01:24:08.360here's the information. I want to know what you're going to do about it. I want to know what action
01:24:13.920you are going to put into play. And that doesn't mean, oh, just call the minister of agriculture,
01:24:19.460which is in governance over the particular acts in question here. What are you going to do?
01:24:25.240You know, what leadership are you going to show to not only save these ostriches?
01:24:29.960This is much bigger than saving 400 ostriches.
01:24:33.140We just have this wonderful opportunity to bring this out in a way that people understand how serious these issues are that are affecting our nation here.
01:24:43.760And thank you, Katie, and thank you to your mom, Karen, for having the strength to stand and fight this evil.
01:25:19.760we have the ability to bring about the change that's necessary and we can save these beautiful
01:25:25.380beautiful members of katie and karen's family well it's just that they're doing it again
01:25:29.940they're doing the same thing this is like pattern recognition they're doing the same thing again
01:25:34.560that they did four or five years ago and they're using their authoritarian uh tactics in order to
01:25:41.040make it happen i wonder if if you know i'm gonna bring rcmp uh officers out katie are you serious
01:25:48.840they were afraid because they were afraid for their safety that's what their notice said
01:25:53.560did you see did you see the pictures that did you see the pictures that were posted on social media
01:25:58.280from the people yeah resistance i mean come on they look like the nicest people ever
01:26:03.400they're just there in support they're not there with weapons they're not there with
01:26:07.960any kind of you know aggression katie are you seriously inviting people to come out
01:26:13.480to the farm yes yes absolutely we said um do you we don't have any people
01:26:20.680and whatnot is there any campground nearby is there a place where people can spend a few days
01:26:29.240there is a campground in edgewood um we do have a field that we've actually have people wanting
01:26:35.000to just clear some snow out of it and make a really nice big area and just um if anybody
01:26:41.240wants to come and bring a motor home or that and we don't have a lot of power out there we do have
01:26:47.120yeah we'll figure it out all together we've had people offering generators i don't know there's
01:26:52.240people want to come and they just don't want to see this happen again they want this to stop here
01:26:58.940and uh there's a lot of support but yeah we are offering if anybody wants to come visit us if
01:27:03.880anybody just wants to come for a couple hours and show support or if they want to come and they want
01:27:08.580to hunker down till the very end um we can do we can handle do this together yeah you know what's
01:27:14.720interesting is is my audience is very resourceful and it wouldn't surprise me if you had a hundred
01:27:23.060people come out you know off and on maybe not all at once or maybe more i don't know
01:27:27.360at some point this week and they're all going to bring jenny's with them
01:27:30.500right and gas that's that's who they are these people went to the convoy man they they get it
01:27:36.220they understand they're prepared okay you know what i want to thank you both for coming on tonight
01:27:42.540and and letting the world know about this um carrie you are so filled with information and
01:27:49.880your tenacity on this uh is amazing you've talked to the legal teams are they optimistic
01:27:55.960we're in a war shadow that the precedence that'll be set i mean we we have to look very creative i
01:28:04.080I've asked the lawyers not to do the run-of-the-mill legal stuff here, to throw everything at them, the charter.
01:28:09.900There are so many things wrong with how we do this in Canada.
01:28:16.380And this is an opportunity to, you know, to straighten the deck, if you will.
01:28:20.760And it would be nice if the Minister of Agriculture, and I invite him to do so, reach out to me.
01:28:28.300I think we should be sitting down with the stakeholders that are so invested in this animal husbandry, animal health and welfare, and, you know, work with everybody together.
01:28:42.860Let's find a solution here that truly achieves what's in the interest of Canadians, our livestock populations, the ranchers, the farmers, the small hobby farmers.
01:28:54.320There is a much more ethical way of dealing with this practical way, mature way than, you know, what will inevitably be an all out legal war in this front.
01:29:10.080So I invite the conservative, the federal conservatives, who clearly will probably be forming government next time.
01:29:18.920Please, if you're truly interested in serving the people of this nation with good governance, this is your opportunity to reach out right now and learn about what's happening here, where the problems are.