00:03:31.520Some great reporting by Wright Bland out there.
00:03:34.400He's been dropping some videos on all the usual social platforms.
00:03:37.340So if you want to go and check out his detailed synopsis of everything that's happened these past couple of days, you're more than welcome to do that.
00:03:44.240He would love for you to do that as well.
00:03:46.540Ray is also a former news correspondent.
00:03:49.980Actually, we shouldn't say former because that's what he's been doing these past couple of days.
00:03:53.480But he's worked for pretty much every corporate media outlet in the country, in foreign countries.
00:03:59.580We're going to hear a little bit about that, about how he came to attend the Freedom Convoy 2022.
00:04:05.340And the writing of the book, Unjustified, which I have an autographed copy of, as you can see right here.
00:04:10.840Ray joins the show in just a couple of minutes.
00:04:13.780Hello, Jonathan, watching on YouTube tonight from Newcomerstown, Ohio.
00:08:20.980And, you know, like four weeks' notice.
00:08:23.460And when I learned about it from Maggie Hope Braun, who was there with you, I think, at the time, visiting the farm,
00:08:32.340I looked at my account and thought, it's an open weekend, I'll book the tickets to go to the weekend.
00:08:41.860And so there were some amazing, amazing acts.
00:08:45.900And I want to pull one of them actually, Shadow, in beside me right now, because one of the people who was performing, some of your viewers might recognize if they can just sort of peek in.
00:09:02.340how you doing love oh great it's good to see you it's nice to see you also hey how you doing after
00:09:09.780these last couple of days you feeling recharged everything's good well yeah it's good i mean i
00:09:14.460still feel pretty positive but i mean that's just who i am it is what it is and like i've always
00:09:19.280said we just continue to roll through the punches it was a long couple days of course but you know
00:09:23.340we got through it i'm disappointed that the sentencing isn't going to happen until october
00:09:27.740the seventh but i mean i guess what's two and a half more months right i'm just wondering why it's
00:09:34.300taken so long for this entire thing i'm sure everybody's got a theory on it but do you think
00:09:38.380the judge really needs that kind of time well what it's really coming down to shadow is that
00:09:45.020obviously because of the pandemic there's a backlog in the court system so it's scheduling
00:09:50.860and we heard um you know from miss maggis craig chris's lawyer today like her schedule is jam-packed
00:09:55.980she just has no time until then and as a matter of fact she did say today that she was going to
00:10:00.600have to rearrange some other court uh uh hearings to make october the 7th even happen and chris has
00:10:08.140got his forfeiture hearing next month i think what september the september the 12th right so
00:10:13.780that's all about big red they want to take his truck away still huh yes i know what were your
00:10:19.160thoughts on the and i saw you post on social media about this and i i got a chuckle out of it and then
00:10:23.720i thought oh wait a minute i mean chris is gonna and his family i mean the left-wing corporate media
00:10:28.780reporting that uh one of his parents i think they mentioned his father had passed away when it was
00:10:33.360actually the father of the crown prosecutor that was such shoddy reporting i can't even believe
00:10:38.180it was absolutely terrible and actually one thing i will say today i was very happy to see the judge
00:10:43.540she called it out in court really yeah she did like she kind of admonished them which was good
00:10:49.000to see but you're right i mean we got there yesterday morning uh the main crown prosecutor
00:10:54.060mr radcliffe sadly um his his mother passed away and so the assistant crown was explaining that
00:11:02.040and they didn't hear it all and they just assumed that because chris wasn't there his parents or one
00:11:07.100of his parents had passed away right i i want to make sure i think you guys have frozen on the
00:11:13.060screen here, but I want to make sure you said assistant crown and not clown. Oh no, they're
00:11:22.040frozen. Actually, you know, it's not bad because their facial expressions are fairly decent. It
00:11:26.460could be something worse. Let's wait and see if they unfreeze here. If you guys can still0.95
00:11:40.100hear me can you reboot or come out of the stream and then pop back in that would be good there you
00:11:47.360are sorry we've got we've got a severe thunderstorm and a tornado warning and so that might be part of
00:11:55.760what's going on this last few seconds tornado warning tornado warning yeah whoa that's crazy
00:12:03.760so where where were we that's trade like in ottawa i'd never heard of that before
00:12:07.820You know, I worked there 15 or 16 years ago on one of the radio stations and they had an earthquake in Ottawa, which I thought, yeah, like it was a four on the Richter scale or something.
00:12:18.660It was crazy. I didn't feel it when I was sleeping, but everybody was talking about it the next day.
00:12:22.700So you were talking about the media and the judge admonishing them in court.
00:12:26.980yes and then so as they as uh the assistant crown prosecutor was explaining what happened with
00:12:33.800mr radcliffe the the media canadian press i think it was that originally reported it reported that
00:12:40.020it was chris barber's parents that had passed away yeah so and we haven't seen a redaction yet
00:12:45.660but i mean you know you can't even get the like how do you not fact check that before you put it
00:12:50.920out to the world and as i was saying just before we got cut off so you can imagine chris he's from
00:12:56.320a small community so his phone's blowing up yesterday with condolences i mean it's the most
00:13:02.260basic facts that these guys can't even get right it's it's ridiculous i like the post his mom put
00:13:08.340out today or was that yesterday yeah it was today and i liked it too yep that's right yeah and and
00:13:12.860there have been you know you guys had letters on top of letters on top of letters from people all
00:13:18.740across the country they were presented in court right yeah some parts of them were parts of some
00:13:23.960of them were so i know that hannah one of the uh one of the lawyers on my legal team went through
00:13:29.380600 pages of letters of support and i think out of those 600 they chose about nine highlights
00:13:37.680yeah nine to highlight you've only got so much time to present that i suppose right in the victim
00:13:42.440impact statements but interestingly enough so today in court and i think that i think there
00:13:47.880might be some issues with this but today in court some of the crown's submissions their victim impact
00:13:53.100statements did not even have me and chris's names mentioned in them some of them were referring to
00:13:57.860pat king so they kind of got caught trying to slip some stuff in there that perhaps shouldn't
00:14:03.640have been submitted for our you know for our case so so not nine of the 12 uh victim impact
00:14:10.920statements have nothing at all to do with either chris or tamara only three of them had our names
00:14:16.320in it you know i i just want to get an idea for all of the people who weren't there and i'm one
00:14:24.060of them i mean i watched it you know every single day and we had our own thing going on here in
00:14:28.700manitoba like you guys know but i mean day to day on the ground tamara how much involvement i know
00:14:36.020chris was in there desperately trying to get these trucks moved out of the way he was working with
00:14:41.320ottawa police diligently to try and make that happen to reduce the footprint but and and how
00:14:48.460much involvement did you have day to day with the people on the ground aside from just high fives in
00:14:52.820the street was there any organizational capacity well it was definitely i mean the first few days
00:14:58.120obviously i was in a lot of meetings we were dealing with gofundme and then the lawyers came
00:15:02.160in so we had i was stuck in a lot of those type of meetings uh chris and the captains were very
00:15:07.420focused on being on the ground and making sure that everything was okay there the emergency lanes
00:15:11.720excuse me because remember in the first few days there was constantly people coming and going so
00:15:16.600we'd clear a lane or they'd clear a lane and then trucks would come in in the middle of the night
00:15:20.780and to retake those positions right so yeah um but i was able to get out quite a few times and
00:15:26.260meet people and talk to people and i mean it was uh it was just such a beautiful i hate to call it
00:15:33.960a party but i would call it like a celebration because people were just so happy to be together
00:15:39.160again and they felt pride in their country again and they had hope and you know it was uh um it
00:15:45.860was the return of our humanity after a period where i would suggest i was afraid we'd lost all
00:15:52.100humanity the media did you no favors at the time and ray you're a member or were a member of media
00:15:59.880for years and years you're a foreign correspondent you did a lot of uh work with media what was your
00:16:07.260impression of what they did well and why did they do it i don't i don't want you to get me confused
00:16:13.380with with the person who wrote wrote the forward to my book rodney rodney sorry rodney palmer that's
00:16:18.180yeah he was he had a long history i i just started for the first time after uh several decades of
00:16:24.860teaching writing workshops around the continent suddenly turning my attention to all of this once
00:16:30.680the prime minister invoked the emergencies act and yes i've been on different media platforms but
00:16:35.640primarily since 19 since since 2022 okay so your impression of why the media did this what
00:16:43.260led them to do this is it something that was coming from way above them um was it just the
00:16:50.200way that their management focused on this? I mean, because I saw when you guys came rolling
00:16:54.820through Winnipeg, Tamara, when we stopped at the Flying J there, there was a media guy on the
00:17:00.440ground, and he purposely pointed the camera away from that very large crowd that was waiting for
00:17:05.380you guys there to show a snowbank and maybe two people behind him. Well, there's a few people
00:17:10.300here waiting for the convoy, but there was over a thousand people there in minus 35.
00:17:15.460So what's their motivation for this? Were they trying to suppress the energy that the
00:17:20.140convoy was building going across the country on purpose yeah yeah so so the um oops so so so the
00:17:31.920um like on the 22nd of of uh january out in british columbia the cbc and a few other media
00:17:39.480outlets were reporting that there were uh trucks you know kind of gridlocked and slow rolling and
00:17:45.820between the Vancouver, you know, White Rock, US border and the Fraser Valley. And it was being
00:17:52.340reported that they were doing this in protest of the condition of the highways in British Columbia.
00:17:58.720And then the following day said, oops, oops, looks like they're going to Ottawa. So and then
00:18:03.920there was a CBC, I think, report or CTV report in, I think, Salmon Arm. And they reported it very
00:18:11.820fairly. Like the people who are protesting here, it's all very, very positive and respectful and
00:18:18.460so on. But then we learned through the Public Order Emergency Commission that there were people
00:18:24.620in the prime minister's office, PMO, Privy Council, people who were connected to Marco Mendocino,
00:18:33.720maybe Bill Blair, a few others, Christopher Freeland's office, who were deputy ministers
00:18:38.560and resistance, and they were talking about, maybe we can frame this as January 6th North.
00:18:46.640Maybe, you know, we can, there was a person, Caroline Williams, or Caroline Williamson,
00:18:52.180who was connected with, I think, Bill Blair, but I could be wrong. In any event, she was,
00:18:57.540through the week before the protesters arrived, they were spending a couple of days between the
00:19:03.50025th to 27th of January, 2022, uh, trying, um, uh, different sound bites. Uh, I'm disgusted at,
00:19:14.040at the violence and, and, uh, and, and racism of the protesters even before they'd arrived.
00:19:19.700So they're kind of like saying, how does this sound, you know, and emailing each other back
00:19:23.320and forth. So there was, uh, an effort, uh, a collaboration that, you know, there are people
00:19:28.420connected with different cabinet ministers who were saying,
00:19:33.320we've got some people in CTV or Global or whatever that can probably run with this,
00:19:40.300We don't want to scare off the crazies.
00:19:42.400So all of that was going on before the first protesters were arriving with their trucks on the 28th,
00:19:49.100and the majority came out on the 29th of January 2022.
00:19:51.540So so there was an effort to to defame and smear the protesters in the minds of the citizens of Ottawa, especially and across the country before the protests even arrived in Ottawa.
00:20:04.020Well, Alexa Lavoie was walking around doing person on the street interviews yesterday, and she she talked to two people who were absolutely adamant that you, Tamara, are a racist and Chris as well.
00:20:17.280And anybody else who was associated with the convoy, I live down there and I I took abuse for wearing a mask.
00:20:23.140And then this one guy happened to be from Alberta sitting in a in a street cafe having a bite to eat with his wife, it looked like.
00:20:29.480And he said, well, I'm ashamed of them as an Albertan. We should all be ashamed of what they did.
00:20:33.500I wish they had never done it. They should be thrown in jail. Like, I mean, if you were never0.97
00:20:37.920there, you never saw what was going on in the street. Or maybe, you know, you ran into a couple
00:20:42.660of rogue people down there who were not associated with the convoy, but could be mistaken for being
00:20:48.340a member of the convoy. How on earth can you say that not ever having experienced it? I guess that's
00:20:56.720the media. And these people are just repeating what they heard in the media. Because anybody
00:21:01.140who was down there would never say that would they i mean i'm sure there were some instances
00:21:05.240here and there but i mean i think that was pretty much self-policed wasn't it well the road captains
00:21:11.900and the truckers themselves said you know after we recognized that that um we you know we had to
00:21:18.540keep it keep it peaceful i mean they they mobilized and created block captains and they had like you
00:21:23.780know 24 hour like people going around 24 hours to make sure antifa wasn't going to be uh damaging
00:21:30.060any of the vehicles and just to make sure that everything stayed peaceful code of conduct you
00:21:35.020guys had too right that's right we did have a code of conduct yes i i we we created a registration
00:21:39.760form and then i suggested that we do a code of conduct and so the deal was if you did not the
00:21:46.880registration forms were designed so that we could try and get a count of the of the truckers that
00:21:51.660were involved and then we put the code of conduct in with you know the clause saying you know you
00:21:56.480agree to be peaceful you agree to this so that they could be reimbursed and if you didn't sign
00:22:00.880that code of conduct agreeing to a peaceful lawful protest that you weren't going to get
00:22:06.020you know you weren't going to get reimbursed so unfortunately the judge didn't put much weight to
00:22:11.180that because it wasn't actually entered as evidence and she said today that only one of
00:22:16.060the officers involved had heard about it so i don't know i mean if she's gonna consider that or
00:22:23.920not but i you know what i i want to ask ray this question i don't want to ask you this tamara
00:22:29.420because i don't want you to think you're maybe jinxing yourself in front of all these people
00:22:32.800but ray you were there in court the last couple of days uh were you obviously watching judge
00:22:37.580mcveigh's face as uh all the lawyers got up there presenting their cases what's your impression of
00:22:44.260her impressions my impression of her impression is that she's uh trying to keep this pretty
00:22:53.800close to the chest she's asking questions sometimes disputing things that the defense
00:23:02.720lawyers are saying sometimes disputing things that the crown lawyers are saying sometimes
00:23:07.520agreeing and appreciating with things different lawyers in each side are saying so uh can you
00:23:13.700give can you give us a couple of examples maybe of of the disagreements that she would take up
00:23:18.540with the attorneys well there would be there would be comments about how it would kind of go
00:23:24.460back and forth like if the crown said you know well you know you know this is unprecedented
00:23:30.140mischief that goes beyond the pale and so seven and eight years respectively then the judge would
00:23:37.080say well yes but we've already heard as evidence that that the accused did their best to uh you
00:23:44.640know cooperate cooperate with police make sure that the vehicles went where the police instructed
00:23:49.880the vehicles to go that they were trying to reduce the footprint by cooperating with the city of
00:23:56.460ottawa and that they got 102 vehicles including 40 rigs that were you know all the all the
00:24:02.880photographs of the license plates were taken by city of ottawa staff and and so we have all of
00:24:09.420that as as examples of goodwill and then if um let's see so and then if uh the the lawyers for
00:24:18.780the defendants would would point out all of this you know constructive behavior then the judge would
00:24:24.580say yes but you know there was you know you overstayed your welcome at some point and you
00:24:29.660didn't you didn't tell everyone to go home or worse to that effect and so it was kind of like
00:24:34.540back and forth so she'd be moderating the uh the case of the defense lawyers and then moderating
00:24:41.420the crowns you know so so it's it's hard for me for me i'm not someone who sits in in many you
00:24:47.960know courtrooms so it's hard for me to know what um you know if that's if that's typical conduct
00:24:54.440on the part of a judge or i mean this is a very unusual case too with the longest mischief trial
00:24:59.960in Canadian history. And I think too, I mean, another person, Roxanne Halverson, who on the
00:25:06.560intrepid Viking substack has pointed out there was a previous case related to another Freedom
00:25:13.620Convoy protester. And I don't know the name of the person. But in that case, Perkins McVeigh
00:25:20.780said not guilty to whatever it was. And then there was, it went to appeal, the Crown appealed,
00:25:29.400and it got overturned and the person was found I think guilty and and so I think that I don't
00:25:37.320I don't know how much this plays into and I think it's unfair if it does but but if a if a judge
00:25:43.480has found people in the convoy in other cases not guilty and then the crown appeals and the
00:25:50.460appeals court kind of almost reprimands the the judge for not you know finding them guilty I don't
00:25:58.020know how much that kind of track record of being admonished by an appeals court factors into what
00:26:05.560what happens in a case like this I don't know how so one of the questions I have is how much
00:26:11.980does the judge also weigh what what they can offer as a sentence so the crown won't appeal
00:26:21.180the severity of this or the lack of severity I don't know I don't know I've never talked about
00:26:27.000But I wonder if that if that ends up being a factor, which maybe shouldn't be a factor, but I have no idea.
00:26:34.160Tamara, what do you think? Is it going to be appealed either way, whatever it is?
00:26:39.580I feel like perhaps the prosecution has set it up so that it will be so that they can appeal.
00:26:46.060But I mean, that remains that remains to be seen.
00:26:48.660And I mean, as far as if we're going to appeal, we got to wait and see what the sentence is going to be.
00:26:53.580And, you know, there is a lot to be said for just having this behind us, too, you know.
00:26:59.260So it's been a long three and a half years.
00:27:03.960If you get something that's like what Pat King got, let's say.
00:27:08.100I think he got a year and then, what, nine months' time served, something like that.
00:27:37.240You know, they're just going to drag this on and on and on and on and on.
00:27:41.440What are your feelings about the Orphids you're hearing, September the 12th?
00:27:46.800I guess Chris would be the better one to ask about that.
00:27:49.060but i i know that you've talked to him a couple of times in the last few days every day and i
00:27:53.920think it's on i think it's an obvious vindictive vendetta i think it's petty um they have absolutely
00:28:01.660no reason other than that to try and take that truck they're trying to take it to crush what it
00:28:08.680symbolizes yeah absolutely they are and you guys symbolize a whole bunch i'm not sure what it's
00:28:18.140been like for you on social media because i know that you know you've had your ups and downs these
00:28:21.880past three and a half years and when your names come back into the spotlight like they have this
00:28:26.480past week i'm sure the traffic starts going up on your social media what's it been like the last
00:28:31.340three or four days i've seen you posting a few things and i'm kind of going hmm how does she
00:28:35.540have the time for this to read all of these things but i think that you probably try to read as many
00:28:39.840of these things as you can if you sit in court all day long you're gonna yeah um i don't get to read
00:28:47.440you know i can't obviously read them all uh i have the crown prosecutor's ridiculous request
00:28:52.280of seven years and all the sensation to thank them for about 3 000 new followers on x
00:28:57.240right right uh the silver linings we're talking about silver linings that's right
00:29:03.880so um what about the crown prosecutors have you seen them look nervous or and i understand that
00:29:12.780they're trying to play poker face as much as they possibly can and i saw a green spot out today
00:29:17.400uh in in the media scrum and he handled it extremely well um and diane magus as well
00:29:23.280but the crown nobody's talking about the crown prosecutors and we don't know who they are are
00:29:28.700they younger are they older are they more experienced people did they look nervous0.96
00:29:32.540today because they're presenting a bullshit case let's be honest i mean that's that's i said that0.98
00:29:37.660by the way just in case there's anybody watching from cesus or any other ridiculous agency uh that0.97
00:29:43.100was me who said that so how could they actually you don't have any objections to bulls though
00:29:48.820this is not like an anti anti-bull no no no i i think bulls are absolutely necessary you know
00:29:55.340steak and milk um i i'm just wondering how these people can actually present this case
00:30:01.640asking for seven and eight years and be able to look at themselves in the mirror
00:30:05.560you know what i mean all the time i don't know i don't know um but you know i as terrible as it
00:30:13.780sounds they have a job to do and i don't know how i could not work in an industry where my job was
00:30:19.920literally to go into a courtroom and try and twist people's words and say terrible things about them
00:30:25.620that aren't true like i don't know i mean i'm not sure what is going through their heads and i think
00:30:31.080that's just it they got a job to do and they're gonna do it and and it's just unfortunate at the
00:30:36.320way the system is set up that way i mean if anyone in this country anymore thinks that you are
00:30:41.940innocent until proven guilty you i'm sorry you're sadly mistaken you know it's completely the reverse
00:30:48.680it's uh and it's really tough to sit in there some days and listen to some of the things that
00:30:53.200they say about me because that's not who i am you know like to try and paint both me and chris i
00:30:58.260mean we're we're like middle class everyday nobody's from nowhere that's what i posted today
00:31:04.380you know so i saw you say that you know it's funny you say that right and you and i are friends and
00:31:12.480i've gotten to know you a little bit in the last little while and you know i think you're one of
00:31:15.640the more genuine people that i've met you too right for that matter um and um you know for
00:31:22.440people to say things like that about you just it makes my blood boil and I wish everybody
00:31:27.780had had the chance to to meet you just sit down and talk to you for for a few minutes I don't
00:31:34.040know how you have the patience you know whenever you're at a gathering like that just just to sit
00:31:38.660down and and be the center of attention like that as you say you you're no one from nowhere and I
00:31:43.580don't think that's true but I mean how have you managed to handle this sudden notoriety in the
00:31:48.620past three years it's got to be taxing well i mean it is it can be exhausting but you know like i'm
00:31:54.900so blessed and chris will tell you the same thing you know we get to meet canadians we hear from
00:31:59.640canadians we get to have actual conversations with them and hear how this changed their life
00:32:04.620for the better or i mean you know all the suicides that were prevented shadow i've had thousands
00:32:11.800thousands just me tell me that they were planning to kill themselves until this happened um you know
00:32:18.460the people that got their jobs back the people that got to go to see their parents in the hospital
00:32:22.600or their grandparents in a long-term care home I mean the gratitude from Canadians and I think
00:32:29.660I think we have a lot of support and I think a lot of them recognize what we're going through
00:32:33.640and they appreciate it and so I'm just I it is like like today is a prime example of course at
00:32:39.860the end when we find out the sentencing isn't for another two and a half months it's extremely
00:32:43.940disappointing you know i have my moment and i get over it that's this is just how it goes and
00:32:49.580chris and i have always said we just got to roll with the punches and deal with things as they come
00:32:53.280and i'm just not a bitter person i mean i choose to not be a bitter person i choose to see the
00:33:00.120silver linings yeah yeah and i i was saying to tamara the other day uh that you know go and see
00:33:06.160uh the musical les miserables or or if you want to have a lot more time read the book by victor
00:33:12.120hugo but it's all about uh jean valjean is this person who under dire circumstances had to steal
00:33:19.600some bakery goods some bread and and a variety of other things and ended up in in prison and
00:33:26.860escaped and then the police inspector javert i think in the book hounds and pursues him for
00:33:32.660several decades like you know and javert's position in in in les miserables is that the
00:33:38.680state cannot be wrong. And if you have someone who believes that the government never makes a
00:33:44.980mistake, the government is never an error. So any edict, any public health order, any decision made
00:33:51.940by the state, any decree by the cabinet, any emergency act invoked by a government would all
00:33:57.120in the perspective of someone who's like Javert in Victor Hugo's novel and musical will then
00:34:04.140always believe that well the state can't be wrong and i believe that there are people who think like
00:34:09.720that in canada you know maybe who are part of the crown but but that that view is is alive you know
00:34:15.800we need to you mean like just in in in the general public i think that there are some people who
00:34:20.880believe that the state the government would never lie to us would never lie the media would never
00:34:26.400lie and and and so you have uh i mean you have uh you know half the population three years later
00:34:33.000believing to this day that i mean i've been told i mean anecdotally by friends out in vancouver and
00:34:38.840other places that they believe that all of the protesters in the freedom convoy in ottawa were
00:34:44.440nazis all had nazi flags or or other things like that and or that they all went there to to burn
00:34:52.060down apartment buildings and commit arson and so there are these you know people uh you know i've0.88
00:34:58.480had even people tell who told me straight out that they're lazy like that they don't have the
00:35:03.340time to go and like read a book like i've written they just want the cole's notes and so so so that's
00:35:10.260for where we're at people people get they get bowled over by by a frightening a catastrophizing
00:35:19.380alarmist story they get caught up in their emotional moment and then they're kind of like
00:35:25.700there again it's like every time you mention the freedom convoy it's the 29th of january 2022 or
00:35:31.480it's it's the 14th of february 2022 and they're right back there with that emotion and then
00:35:37.280everything else that they can think about somehow you know goes out the window because they're stuck
00:35:41.860in that emotional space again and can't uh detach and analyze or reflect on it you know it's
00:35:48.720interesting when you present a fact or a series of facts to some people regarding anything really
00:35:53.960that's happened in the past five years you can show them you can show them the document you can
00:35:58.060bring the receipts you can say look it didn't happen like that and they still refuse to admit
00:36:04.100it like if you show a picture of tamara leach somebody is going to go i love her or you know
00:36:09.120the opposite would happen right where somebody goes she's a nazi speaking of nazis that that
00:36:14.100one guy who had the nazi flag did we ever sort that out do we know who he was i think brendan
00:36:18.700miller got in trouble for that at the public order emergency commission didn't he um yeah yeah he did
00:36:25.180um he thought it was somebody else and he was mistaken and so that did cause a little bit of
00:36:30.100problems it's actually funny that you mentioned it because i ran into a gentleman as we were
00:36:33.840leaving court today who actually gave me some names um of the people that were involved in that
00:36:39.620and how that all came to be so anyways i didn't have a lot of time but um i got his information
00:36:45.060so i'm going to talk to him and uh i think if if it pans out and it's true it's going to be quite
00:36:50.540a sensational story so but i don't want to say too much just you know what i've learned is not
00:36:56.700to say anything until you have the proof right in your hand that's a very wise wise choice that
00:37:02.780you've just made there but is it juicy i mean you were alluding to the fact that it might be a pretty
00:37:08.480juicy piece of information yeah yeah i'll get that corroborated and maybe i'll have to come on your
00:37:13.560show and fill you in i'd love to see that so you guys have to go back and i'm sorry go ahead ray
00:37:18.760yeah in the meantime you have to go back and roll the camera to alexa lavoie with rebel news
00:37:24.020and her uh investigative piece regarding uh the angle that the photo of the three gentlemen that
00:37:30.980were holding the nazi flag in the chateau laurier that the photo had to be taken from a secure
00:37:36.220location that the general public wouldn't have access to down near the near the canal and so on
00:37:42.740And so, you know, we know that, you know, and then it also, you know, things were connected to somebody connected to Jagmeet Singh and Paul Martin's former, I think, photographer.
00:37:56.960So there's a number of coincidences, and I'm not a coincidence theorist, so I think often things pan out in ways that can be shocking.
00:41:51.440And so I think that the conservative party wouldn't be going out and saying this is outrageous or barbaric or disproportionate if they thought, whoa, you know, half the people who vote for us are going to think it's great.
00:42:13.080i i mean i i you know i think that they you know they have their own reactions personally but they
00:42:18.440also do a little bit of you know they have a kind of a spidey sense about whether or not their base
00:42:25.080would support them saying that and i think because they went ahead and said this is outrageous that
00:42:31.200that's a good sign it means that there's a lot of people that that still remember that there's
00:42:37.460something like proportional sentencing and that there's a reason why i mean sometimes i cynically
00:42:43.700think the crown the surprise is that the crown didn't ask for for 25 years in life you know
00:42:49.000but but uh but i think i think that uh because the seven and eight years got some question and
00:42:56.660some pushback uh among even mainstream politicians that's a good thing so i think it is a sign that
00:43:03.840there's more people are saying, what is this? This is the longest mischief trial. And I think
00:43:09.400bit by bit, I mean, there's the hardcore, I mean, there's the liberal base, the people that were
00:43:15.120pounding the pavement for Mark Carney and elbows up in the last campaign that will never consider
00:43:20.500anything about, you know, what really happened besides what the media told them, the Russian
00:43:27.300agents and whatever else. However, I think that there is a middle group, you know, which is like
00:43:32.78020%, 25%, whatever, in the population that could over time be persuaded
00:43:38.680once they give themselves permission to get some emotional distance
00:43:46.080from their initial first reactions to the scandalous, shocking news
00:43:50.480that they got 24-7 for three weeks in a row back in the day.
00:51:21.440We heard that even from Steve Bell himself, the former interim chief of police.
00:51:26.260you know he had to admit there was no violence it just felt violent and I mean this is a huge
00:51:32.480problem yeah well I mean that's what that's what the uh the the Rouleau commission uh found was
00:51:39.880what they didn't the violence in quotes that happened was not criminal violence it was not
00:51:46.820physical violence nobody was found to have punched anybody in the jaw or kicked anybody in the shins
00:51:52.320the violence was what could quote rulo psychological violence so this is now really
00:51:59.300lowering the bar for any future government uh in in our country that can say oh there's some people
00:52:05.660feeling psychological they're upset they're upset because this person or that group is doing
00:52:11.140something and now we're going to invoke the emergencies act because just just because if we
00:52:15.900don't there might be a threat whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but names
00:52:21.560do i even have to finish it will ever hurt me honey knows what's next tamara like when you're
00:52:29.420finally done with this finally and you know i mean pending an appeal let's just say the
00:52:35.740sentencing comes down and both sides are satisfied with this and there's no appeal
00:52:39.760what next you're just gonna sit back and play some rock and roll i mean you rocked it at the
00:52:44.860ostrich farm well thank you that was so much fun what a great time uh i don't know what i'm gonna
00:52:51.120do i mean i i it's really hard to even think about it until i just get this this this part done you
00:52:56.800know like um i but i hope to be playing lots of music we do have some shows we're going to go
00:53:02.960over to london and play at tommy's rally here on september the 13th uh we're going to be in calgary
00:53:09.360also in september for rebel news's anniversary party we're going to play for that so um i love
00:53:15.520playing music i love that i have you know like a skill that i can use that can help other people
00:53:21.120and uh so hopefully we can keep doing that but you know i definitely am very interested in what's
00:53:25.840happening out west obviously with the alberta independence movement so i'd like to get involved
00:53:30.720in that in some way and just see what i can do to help i mean i um careful careful i'll have to get
00:53:37.360arrested off but you know that is uh fairly public do you think that that has a chance i mean i was
00:53:48.640through there a couple of weeks ago i stopped at chris scott's whistle stop cafe there in mirror and
00:53:53.600man that's a that place is first of all there's a painting of you i think haka osha studios did
00:53:59.200that it's from the back with freedom uh you and the trucks in front of you coming at um but it's
00:54:04.960it's a it's a monument to independence i felt as though i described this last week i felt as though
00:54:11.680i was in a different country you know when you're in quebec you feel like you're in a different
00:54:16.080country because everybody's speaking french and it just seems so foreign yeah well being in that
00:54:21.540cafe as crazy as this sounds you know a lot of cowboy hats a lot of vests a lot of chaps they0.99
00:54:27.720were coming in and i just went i'm in a different world i'm in a different space here this does not0.99
00:54:34.280seem like canada it felt good though as opposed to the quebec version never felt good to me
00:54:38.840i don't know why that is you just haven't had enough poutine that's the problem that's right
00:54:44.840yeah yeah maybe it's because i don't speak french so well but i mean in alberta it was like wow man
00:54:50.260this is cool do you think that's got a chance you guys i do i do i think it's got some legs i i think
00:54:58.080as long as it's done properly and you know they get enough people i love that they're doing all
00:55:02.780these town halls and going out and like that's the thing we just need to educate people on and
00:55:08.480And the biggest question that you'll hear asked all the time is if Alberta wasn't in Confederation right now and they offered us what we're getting and not just Alberta, but Saskatchewan, Manitoba, the Western provinces.
00:55:20.040I mean, would we join? Would we join Confederation now if they just said, you know, we're going to take, you know, billions of your dollars every year.
00:55:28.120We're not going to give you anything back. Well, we're going to shut down your industry.
00:55:32.100We're going to call you a bunch of terrible names and treat you like you don't matter.0.58
00:55:35.880we would have to be crazy to sign on to that yeah that's a very good point and you know i think
00:55:42.920i've been hearing from people that the narrative in alberta has changed somewhat from why should
00:55:50.160we how is it like why should we leave to why should we stay like you point out yes right and
00:55:56.840more and more people are asking the reform party his his uh mantra the mantra the tagline that
00:56:03.440they use was the west wants in and now that's sort of flipped to the west wants out yeah great
00:56:11.260what about you what are your thoughts on that well i i think i think so many things are up in the air
00:56:17.660it depends a lot depends on i mean just like with quebec separation a lot depends on what
00:56:24.100the federal government is doing because if the federal government does things that
00:56:29.000a lot of Albertans are suddenly feeling pleasantly surprised by,
00:56:36.120then that might tamp down the urge to want out.
00:56:41.700But if the federal government, you know, reminds Albertans,
00:56:46.460we don't want any pipelines forever, the world is going to,
00:56:50.200we're going to all have EVs by 2035 or whatever,