The Shadoe Davis Show - March 26th⧸2026- w⧸ Attorney Keith Wilson Discussing Alberta Sovereignty!

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00:02:00.000 hello everybody welcome to the shadow davis show it's thursday march the 26th 2026 our guest

00:02:17.840 tonight is keith wilson of course you know keith from freedom convoy he is a highly regarded

00:02:24.000 attorney not just in alberta but across the country and he'll be on tonight talking about

00:02:28.700 Alberta sovereignty. And I was about to say property rights, but we don't have anything

00:02:37.480 in writing constitutionally or in law anywhere in this country about citizens of Canada having

00:02:44.880 property rights. It's just been assumed since the Magna Carta was signed like 800 years ago.

00:02:52.360 and what's going on in British Columbia right now could possibly start happening

00:02:58.380 en masse all across the country we know there's a big land claim first nations land claim in Quebec

00:03:05.880 we understand there's land claims in Nova Scotia there's one in Manitoba nothing yet that I've

00:03:11.480 heard about in Saskatchewan or Alberta they are all over British Columbia now British Columbia

00:03:17.220 is a little bit different because bc doesn't have any signed treaties like the rest of the country

00:03:23.960 does for some reason they decided they didn't want to they didn't need them they just moved in

00:03:29.440 the white man just moved in and started building stuff and no treaties were ever signed in british

00:03:35.480 columbia doesn't help that the ndp government brought into law drippa in 2018 or 2019 a law

00:03:43.100 written by then Attorney General, now Premier David Eby, who's trying to backpedal it because

00:03:49.440 of what's happened with the land claims in the last year in Alberta. But it's not just the last

00:03:54.320 year. These cases have been in court now for 10, 12 years. And finally, we're starting to see

00:04:02.100 judgments that are working out the wrong way. So essentially, what could happen is you could

00:04:09.240 be a homeowner have land simple title and not own your own home could be that a first nations

00:04:18.360 band will come in and say no that's ours now or you owe us rent or you owe us extra taxes or

00:04:24.240 something crazy like that people are worried also banks are not giving out mortgages as freely in

00:04:32.080 british columbia as they were before the ruling came out last november or october i believe it was

00:04:37.560 with more to come the federal government has decided that they want to give away

00:04:41.520 all of vancouver the whole lower mainland as a matter of fact and there's a land claim on

00:04:46.520 the entire city of kamloops right now i'm not kidding so what happens if that comes into play

00:04:54.480 in alberta let's say it could there's something in the constitution you may not be familiar with

00:05:01.680 it's called section 35 so i want to discuss that with keith tonight i also want to talk about

00:05:06.480 how the Alberta independence movement is going? Is the Alberta Prosperity Project ahead or a

00:05:12.780 little behind of their goal of 177,000 signatures? Could there be an injunction

00:05:19.220 filed against the Alberta freedom movement in early April? I mean, there's all kinds of things

00:05:26.560 that are going on right now. Has the left-wing corporate media started to heat up their hate

00:05:31.720 campaign as the federal government started to heat up i know there's bots all over the place

00:05:36.680 evil angry little bots on every social media platform for every high-profile alberta sovereignty

00:05:43.260 personality and the second you write something on let's say jeff wrath's twitter account

00:05:50.720 20 or 25 or more angry little bots will come and start calling your names

00:05:56.020 they will and that's designed to demoralize you and scare you how are people

00:06:04.080 i'm going to ask all of these questions of keith obviously he's not here yet i can't remember it's

00:06:09.700 been a while since he's been on the show and i can't remember if he's a guy that arrives late

00:06:13.460 to the show or if he's on time and maybe he's just caught in traffic or something tonight

00:06:18.140 let me see if i can find him again real quick here

00:06:20.500 not seeing him

00:06:31.960 well hopefully he'll uh oh he's coming in needs the link again

00:06:41.260 all right you guys here's what i'm going to do i'm going to take a break

00:06:45.220 one minute, seven seconds. I'll be right back, hopefully, with attorney Keith Wilson. I'll see you soon.

00:07:15.220 We'll be right back.

00:07:45.220 so there i was ad-libbing waiting stalling

00:08:04.820 nice to see your face my friend good to have you back on the show keith wilson everybody say hello

00:08:11.300 in the comments please uh keith i gotta say i've got so many questions i think i i sent you a mini

00:08:17.280 summary of what i wanted to discuss tonight but first let's talk about this uh this that you sent

00:08:23.400 me earlier today you didn't have to because it's all over everywhere on social media keith wilson

00:08:27.600 versus jason kenny debate on alberta independence this is going to be live this is unlike the debate

00:08:33.000 that kenny had with uh bruce party which was strictly online about two or three weeks ago

00:08:38.860 You are going to be live in Calgary and in Edmonton next month, or no, in May, correct?

00:08:44.640 That's right.

00:08:45.220 Yeah, there's two events I was asked to participate in.

00:08:49.160 One organization came and said they thought it would be good to have a debate on this

00:08:53.620 and that Mr. Kenny was prepared to do it and asked if I would be willing to.

00:08:58.460 And I said, sure.

00:08:59.880 And then another organization came along and proposed the same thing for Calgary.

00:09:03.740 the one in edmonton is um it's what the organization has been around for decades

00:09:08.920 called civitas it's kind of a libertarian conservative think tank group i don't know

00:09:13.540 if a think tank's the right thing but they they share they come together to share ideas and

00:09:18.100 discuss politics and philosophy um so it's you know it's interesting i i read about that in

00:09:24.720 i think the canada um canadian press had it today and it was all over the left-wing corporate media

00:09:31.780 There is a great big picture of Jason Kenney, obviously.

00:09:34.420 There's nothing of you.

00:09:35.400 This is one that I found on Castanet.

00:09:37.480 Former Alberta Premier Jason Kenney to participate in separation debates.

00:09:42.140 It says who he's debating down here in the article, but there's no photo of you, which is a shame.

00:09:47.540 But it seemed to me like I read the organizations that were putting these events on.

00:09:52.440 And to me, it sounded like they might be some big money and possibly even political donors to the political class, the UCP, the Jason Kenneys of the world, right?

00:10:05.240 Yeah, I would think so. The other organization is called the Aristotle Society.

00:10:10.460 And that's going to be an open event. People can purchase tickets.

00:10:14.660 It's going to be, the current venue is the Grand.

00:10:18.060 It's an old theater building in downtown Calgary.

00:10:22.700 It's a pretty cool spot, actually.

00:10:25.160 And so, you know, I'm looking forward to it.

00:10:28.180 I'm sorry to interrupt you.

00:10:28.980 How many seats in these places?

00:10:30.540 Are we talking like large venue, thousand seats,

00:10:33.060 or are we talking more intimate?

00:10:35.940 The Civitas will be more intimate.

00:10:38.080 It'll be a few hundred.

00:10:39.540 But I think the Grand holds 500.

00:10:41.740 I'm not sure which part of the theater it's in.

00:10:44.660 um i have suggested to them that they get a bigger venue just given the reaction

00:10:48.860 i think there's going to be a lot of interest in this and um you know i'm looking forward to it

00:10:54.620 um you know uh you know when you're a litigator what you do is you stand on your feet in a

00:11:02.000 courtroom and you argue points civilly respectfully persuasively uh in a try to be

00:11:09.820 cogent and against someone else who's doing the same thing so uh former premier kenny is a really

00:11:17.880 smart guy he's a hard worker he'll study hard on this um and um i'm looking forward to having the

00:11:24.840 discussion you know one of my goals is going to be is i don't know if this sounds crazy or not

00:11:31.700 but i want to see if i can convince him at the end to vote yes in the referendum

00:11:34.880 i think that might be a tall order considering some of the x well you know and i'll tell you

00:11:41.120 why i say that is because when you look at this and we we can get into it and ask me hard questions

00:11:46.360 and some of the things that are out there that are spectacular but in terms of the level of

00:11:51.240 lack of understanding as to how canada works how alberta works what alberta has all these things

00:11:56.360 is by every measure by every practical financial social economic measure that i look at does it

00:12:03.980 make sense for alberta to be an independent country will alberta and my kids and my grandkids

00:12:11.140 be better off living in an independent alberta versus part of canada every single measure

00:12:19.800 looking at it objectively without emotion the answer is unequivocally clear yes

00:12:25.420 i agree but you know this is about you know when people say hearts and minds right

00:12:32.460 i tend to split those two things up there's hearts and there's minds and you're talking

00:12:38.240 from the intellectual side of things it makes absolute intellectual sense for alberta to

00:12:43.960 separate from canada considering the current situation economically all of that stuff

00:12:48.340 but people are still emotionally attached to that flag and let's say i mean i'm not sure how many

00:12:57.020 times you've heard this argument but i'm i know marty up north has heard it a lot because he's

00:13:01.740 out there canvassing all the time and he gets a lot of the wackadoos that walk up to him and try

00:13:07.400 to slap the phone out of his hand or or whatever and they call him traitor right and then they say

00:13:15.740 my grandfather or my great-grandfather fought for this country in the war and here you are trying 0.91

00:13:21.680 to rip it apart you're a traitor a traitor and they start calling names much like the unhinged

00:13:26.260 antifa left that we see in the streets protesting something different every every single weekend 0.81

00:13:31.380 but that's the emotional side of it have you guys come up with an argument to to create some

00:13:39.640 kind of an emotional argument for alberta independence or is it strictly about economics

00:13:45.240 and uh intellect well there's no doubt that it's um that's a major hurdle because that's all i've

00:13:55.840 ever had thrown at me too and i've been called a traitor and all kinds of other things and that's

00:13:59.880 okay i don't i don't mind uh i don't think it's true but it's not true i mean like you know was

00:14:05.920 john adams or george washington were they traitors of course not they were patriots right that and

00:14:11.160 that's what i would throw at them i mean they made a country out of scratch a scratch because they

00:14:15.960 were sick and tired of uh no representation with taxation so it seems the same thing right

00:14:22.760 you know if let's imagine uh i was uh seeing a little open boat fishing with someone you know

00:14:30.880 and they were they forced the two of us to go fishing together and they think i'm a traitor

00:14:36.200 and we got all afternoon you know what i would do is i would i would really be interested in

00:14:43.820 understanding what what it is they felt that our forefathers were fighting for in world war one

00:14:52.540 and in world war ii what values they were defending what type of society were they

00:15:00.800 seeking to uphold and did they feel was under threat and really try to understand that and

00:15:08.680 get the person to articulate exactly what they're emotionally attached to and then ask them you

00:15:16.460 know objectively does that Canada still exist because it doesn't unequivocally does not

00:15:23.080 I agree with you I know I know so that's but that's a huge challenge and um it's it's a

00:15:32.980 challenge for us in Alberta because um we have you know I've talked about the third the third

00:15:40.480 the third there's the third that's never going to vote for independence even if you give them

00:15:46.720 a hundred thousand dollars cash a brand new electric vehicle and two pride flags they're

00:15:52.280 not doing it right um and then there's the the other third at the other end they're voting for

00:15:59.220 independence even if you kidnap their dog they're still voting yeah right and then there's the

00:16:06.360 middle third and those are the ones who are deciding they are the ones who are going to

00:16:11.240 decide they are the ones who control the future of this province that middle third and a good

00:16:18.160 portion of that middle third um are you know i think within that middle third group the critical

00:16:26.440 decision makers here as to what's going to happen whether alberta is going to become an independent

00:16:31.080 country um are either in the emotional realm uh or they're completely unengaged like be they don't

00:16:41.380 even know who mark carney is they don't watch the news they're trying to get their kids to minor

00:16:47.440 hockey they're working two jobs you know they're busy with their curling club whatever it's just

00:16:55.920 not their thing right and so we have to be able to get to both of those demographics within the

00:17:03.400 middle um and i think we can do it um and and that's what we're going to do have you now i i

00:17:11.960 don't know exactly how organized the leadership is when it comes to all of this but i i'm sure

00:17:18.560 that you sit down and talk with the boys and come up with strategies and organizations and all of

00:17:24.780 that but have you guys ever thought of engaging a marketing firm to come up with this a slogan and

00:17:30.600 you know i mean the reason i say that is because i worked in media for years and we were always

00:17:36.540 trying to come up with like if there was a complicated contest or something where you had

00:17:40.700 to guess the sound you had to be a certain number caller you had to jump through this jump through

00:17:44.780 that hoop name a song and tell me the time in hong kong right that's too complicated let's come up

00:17:51.200 with something easy that people can grab onto

00:17:53.320 and still love this contest.

00:17:56.060 Well, it's the same thing maybe in Alberta,

00:17:58.420 where you've got a great set of principles

00:18:00.640 and great reasons to separate.

00:18:02.840 I mean, this has been going on for, you know,

00:18:04.980 I understand it's been going on

00:18:06.480 since Alberta became a province in 1905.

00:18:09.820 But the movement has really been picking up steam lately.

00:18:12.800 And I remember my dad wearing

00:18:14.660 a Republic of Western Canada hat in 1977.

00:18:19.040 Now, at that time, it was all four Western provinces.

00:18:21.200 77 wow he had a baseball cap on and and he uh he was all for it he was a working guy right he was

00:18:29.360 an ndp guy and a lot of a lot of that has changed over the course of the last 40 or 50 years so

00:18:36.600 you know it couldn't hurt to engage in some way uh with a couple of catchy slogans i've seen some

00:18:42.760 great ai videos that have put up uh been put up of albertans you know sitting on the top of a

00:18:49.300 out and looking down going wow man if i was still in canada right now i'd probably be in jail

00:18:54.660 let me address that all right sure so first of all this is a marathon it's not a sprint

00:19:00.740 and and that's a cliche but it's this is the reality so um you know the first phase was

00:19:09.720 building the support and this was my phase last year at this time i became very vocal

00:19:15.000 um because people didn't even understand as many many do now that there's actually a legal pathway

00:19:22.060 for Alberta for any province to become independent it's remarkable we're the only country in the

00:19:26.820 developed world where the courts have laid out a legal process for a region or a province or a

00:19:32.000 state to become independent it's spectacular and people had no idea that that was real they might

00:19:38.080 heard rumors about it uh but but so that was the initial phase uh was um can this happen

00:19:46.540 and what needs to come into place so one of the things that needed to happen is we needed a

00:19:51.920 mechanism to compel the government to hold a referendum because if there's no referendum well

00:19:57.260 then there's no pathway for independence so that became the next phase and then the phase after

00:20:04.740 that was to actually hold the petition process and that's the phase we're in right now we have

00:20:09.860 a threshold of 177 000 signatures which we passed uh and now we're into the the the cushion building

00:20:17.060 phase wait a minute hold on you just you just confirmed to thousands of people that you have

00:20:22.480 passed the threshold of 177 000 uh signatures we had wrath on last week who was very very

00:20:29.100 protective over that information so i'm happy to hear it that's great news or maybe we've had we've

00:20:38.240 had tough weather uh we've had you know we're the darkest period of our climate cycle um you know

00:20:46.460 we've had lots of people away um it's been tough to to to get out and and make it convenient who

00:20:53.960 you know even if you really want to sign and you're driving down the road and you see this

00:20:57.260 pop out and you're like oh i got to pull into that parking lot and then i got to park and i got to

00:21:00.380 walk through the slush and it's really cold and other papers are blowing around and you know oh

00:21:05.700 maybe i'll wait maybe i'll wait so people have really been hustling uh mitch sylvester put out

00:21:10.740 a call a few weeks ago to try and get that over the threshold in advance of this court application

00:21:15.840 that's coming from a few of the first nations chiefs um and uh it's just amazing how the uptake

00:21:23.480 has increased in the last few weeks. So we're there, but we got to keep going. I mean, we need

00:21:28.160 to get the largest number we can. And if we don't get shut down by the courts, if they don't interfere

00:21:33.540 in the democratic process, I think we'll have a very substantial number by May 2nd, by the end

00:21:40.820 of April. But let me just go back to your main point about the campaign. So, you know, there's

00:21:49.160 been a lot of parallels, Shadow, that I've experienced and I've been watching unfold in

00:21:54.480 real time with what happened in Ottawa during the Freedom Convoy protest and this grassroots

00:22:04.120 movement in Alberta. And as you know, I was on the ground there representing Tamara Leach and

00:22:08.580 Chris Barber and Danny Bulford and many others during that protest. And I've seen a lot of

00:22:13.580 similarities. You know, one of the things that happened in Ottawa was because it was so organic

00:22:18.340 and it was grassroots there was actually multiple leaders all over the place and it made it difficult

00:22:23.300 for a decapitation move even though that's ultimately what they did before the raids by

00:22:27.920 arresting chris and tamara symbolically to to send the message we've got your leadership you know

00:22:32.820 um but there's a lot of similarities between that and what's happening with the freedom movement

00:22:39.140 there's many groups there's mitch sylvester's group there's alberta prosperity project there's

00:22:44.140 other groups that are all working in a complimentary, non-competitive fashion.

00:22:51.760 People are not competing.

00:22:53.880 They're competing to achieve the goal, not competing to dominate and control one another

00:22:59.380 as often you get in power structures.

00:23:02.220 So the phase we're in is in the hardcore grassroots, thousands of canvassers.

00:23:08.980 I think we're over 7,000 canvassers.

00:23:10.580 uh that's a force in itself to gather the signatures to solidify the support

00:23:16.300 um but there's also work there's other groups doing different things

00:23:21.320 behind the scenes that are you not yet manifest to the real to the world to see

00:23:25.880 um i'll talk about a couple of them one well i mean if it's a strategy that you're keeping

00:23:30.920 quiet you don't have to talk about no i'm not gonna uh give it away yeah you won't give it

00:23:35.540 Yeah, I'm going to give it away.

00:23:36.540 It's on my first rodeo, as you know.

00:23:42.920 So first of all, there's a number of third-party advertisers

00:23:46.040 that are in the process of registering.

00:23:50.220 This needs to be done professionally.

00:23:53.720 We need to have real pros that are campaign managers engaged,

00:23:59.340 and there's work being done on that.

00:24:01.980 We need to do it in the same way that you were talking.

00:24:05.540 where you have focus groups and you test messaging.

00:24:08.480 You bring in a group of people

00:24:10.200 who are very emotionally attached to Canada

00:24:12.020 and you test different things on them

00:24:14.120 before you roll it out to the general population.

00:24:18.040 And there's planning in place

00:24:20.400 and work groundwork being done

00:24:22.300 to have third-party advertisers.

00:24:25.360 And just so everybody's clear on this lingo

00:24:27.160 of third-party advertisers,

00:24:29.320 Alberta has these incredibly ridiculous complex rules.

00:24:32.940 if you want to publicly advocate on behalf of a political issue you have to register if you want

00:24:39.320 to buy an ad you got to register and you got to get a chief financial officer it's just so

00:24:44.880 onerous and it's complex and it's confusing i don't know how many times i've read these rules

00:24:49.780 there's a different set of rules if it's a petition program is a different set of rules

00:24:54.200 if it's a referendum campaign there's a different set of rules if it's a provincial election

00:24:59.560 Anyhow, those are all being studied.

00:25:01.900 Independent legal advice is being obtained by other firms to advise different groups.

00:25:06.700 And that professional level campaigning, advertising will be arriving at a time in the future where it will be optimally effective.

00:25:18.580 And I'm not going to say when.

00:25:19.980 The other thing that's going on, and I've been leading this one, is what's called the Alberta Transition Council. And what the Alberta Transition Council is about is bringing together boring people who are really smart and older and experienced in all of the different areas.

00:25:42.760 subject matter experts whether it's monetary policy international trade diplomacy military

00:25:50.780 agriculture oil and gas export automotive aviation rail that will put together a white paper

00:26:02.800 a white paper that will detail all the transitional steps for alberta after the vote on october 19th

00:26:10.300 become independent to implementing independence so how will alberta take over the issuance of

00:26:19.980 passports how will alberta maintain border security how will alberta continue to transition

00:26:28.780 and provide and carry forward the few functions that the federal government provides today

00:26:35.900 because that's an important point right there is that when you somebody i was on a podcast today

00:26:42.060 and they had these played reels of people making fun of albertans and me in particular about how 0.57

00:26:48.680 stupid and ridiculous it is that alberta thinks it could become independent and this one person 0.95

00:26:53.280 said you know so how are you gonna how are you gonna take over border control and passports 1.00

00:27:00.380 and military and monetary policy and foreign trade and they made it seem like that was just

00:27:06.940 the start of the list actually that's the list you got it right you know maybe one or two more

00:27:12.900 things my point is what's remarkable about this situation that alberta faces is um this is not

00:27:21.480 like elon musk planning uh the first humans to go to mars that's never been done every single thing

00:27:31.300 the few things that the federal government currently does that has an impact on lives

00:27:35.780 of albertans are all known they're all being delivered today they've been doing it for decades

00:27:42.180 so you're not reinventing the wheel or anything no we're just also we've got two passport offices

00:27:47.960 We've got one in Edmonton and one in Calgary.

00:27:50.360 Both of them have a passport printing machine, you know, when you need that emergency passport,

00:27:54.580 right?

00:27:55.300 So we will, as part of the terms, when we offer our divorce terms, say, we'll acquire

00:28:02.260 those buildings from you.

00:28:03.700 We'll pay for your passport machines.

00:28:06.220 Everybody who works in that office will continue to have a job under the same terms as they

00:28:11.260 have with the federal government.

00:28:12.540 We'll take over the payroll.

00:28:14.220 and on x day uh we'll do a reconciliation you know adjusting period um when they go to look

00:28:21.280 at their bank statement or their online deposit they'll see instead of saying government council

00:28:26.460 government of alberta wow you know companies acquire employees from other companies all the

00:28:32.440 time look at the one i like to use is the merger of um shaw and rogers right so i had shaw internet

00:28:41.020 um and a white van would come or a blue van and a guy with a t-shirt on that said shaw and he would

00:28:47.220 come and fix my internet and then rogers bought shaw and then i got a bill from rogers instead of

00:28:54.240 shaw and then when i had a problem with the internet a guy the same guy came but he came in

00:28:58.900 a red van instead of a white t-shirt or a blue t-shirt he had a red t-shirt or a black t-shirt

00:29:03.300 i can't remember with red on it said rogers his business card changed and who paid him change you

00:29:08.420 see what i'm getting at but but you know that's a great example but there's always that transition

00:29:13.660 period i would use the john cougar mellencamp example example right he was john cougar and

00:29:19.860 then he became john cougar mellencamp because he wanted to go back to his real name and then

00:29:24.300 eventually he was just john mellencamp no more cougar right so there was the three stages of

00:29:30.160 that evolution so there will be you know like what alberta is now alberta canada then you got

00:29:36.900 the transitional stage, and then you've got the final independent stage. You mentioned earlier

00:29:42.540 in our discussion that Canada is the only free and democratic Western country that allows a path

00:29:50.560 for one of its sub-governments to actually leave the country. There are people who dispute that,

00:29:58.880 and they say that the Clarity Act made it more difficult. What are the differences

00:30:04.180 between the 1995 Quebec referendum

00:30:07.000 and what we have going on in Alberta today,

00:30:09.820 aside from what they were fighting for,

00:30:11.800 which was, you know, I mean,

00:30:12.740 not so much economic freedom,

00:30:14.420 but, you know, more cultural and language,

00:30:18.660 which is emotional, right?

00:30:20.060 And maybe that's why they had such a high turnout.

00:30:22.420 But what are the key differences in law

00:30:25.620 that you can see that are different today from then?

00:30:29.820 1998 reference decision of the Supreme Court of Canada

00:30:32.980 on succession and confirming that it's within our constitutional framework for a province to secede

00:30:41.440 and become independent, provided that a clear majority of the voters of the province vote

00:30:46.780 on a clear question. And that's what's different. The Supreme Court of Canada laid out that pathway

00:30:52.960 in law through a decision of our highest court, which is now binding on everyone in that 1998

00:31:01.980 reference case. And the Clarity Act was something that was created after it. The Clarity Act has

00:31:08.320 some things in it that are inconsistent or don't quite align with the Supreme Court of Canada

00:31:13.580 decision. Just so everybody's clear on the hierarchy, the hierarchy is Supreme Court of

00:31:18.660 Canada decision and then Clarity Act. So if there's a conflict, the Supreme Court of Canada

00:31:23.720 decision trumps so um anybody who is suggesting that it is not the law of canada that a clear

00:31:34.160 that this process exists is just flat out wrong is there any opportunity for the government of

00:31:41.560 canada to argue with you about this or to make okay so let's look at this then let's just say

00:31:50.180 that you know we got the signatures now we're going to be on the the ballot in october the

00:31:54.720 referendum and let's just say that 55 of the people of alberta say i want out oh and by the

00:32:00.180 way is there some kind of a uh an id problem with getting signatures out there because i'm seeing

00:32:06.080 here where go ahead i can talk about that yeah yeah so first of all if anybody hasn't signed yet

00:32:13.180 but did sign the um uh did sign the online petition or commitment pledge with the alberta

00:32:23.100 prosperity project online because a lot you know a couple hundred thousand people did uh they need

00:32:28.320 to be clear in their minds that wasn't signing the petition you have to sign the petition in person

00:32:32.960 before an official canvasser with an official canvasser badge uh and it has to be your ink

00:32:38.920 signature so if you saw you went online and committed a year ago or six months ago that

00:32:45.320 doesn't you have not signed the petition that's a different that was just a pledge to sign

00:32:49.480 but what happens is if you live on a farm or you live on an acreage in rural Alberta you have a

00:32:57.780 post office box on your driver's license PO box whatever Elections Alberta put a rule in that

00:33:03.240 that's not good enough it hacks it has to be a municipal address so if you live in a city or a

00:33:08.580 town and you know you've got your address you know one two three adam street on your driver's

00:33:14.560 license you're good to go you just need some id with your with your address on it but if you live

00:33:19.660 in a rural area and it says post office box 72 site 9 whatever you need to bring your property

00:33:27.240 tax statement a utility bill your insurance papers anything that has your municipal address

00:33:32.980 on it as long as your id and then you're good to go to sign so um have we lost a lot of signatures

00:33:39.120 because of that keith are there some invalidated because people didn't have their proper address

00:33:44.740 there was the the forever canada group the thomas lakasik that had the other petition that

00:33:51.020 was this past summer and there was no um there was no identification requirements

00:33:56.660 so I could have showed up one place and said yeah I'm John Smith and signed and then I could

00:34:01.760 have gone around the corner and said no I'm I'm George Fowler signed again there was no

00:34:07.660 identification requirements so they amended the legislation the government did to require

00:34:13.060 that the canvasser actually verify the identification that it's written down properly

00:34:20.120 and then witness the person signing who presented it so this is a much more rigorous process and

00:34:26.440 we're happy about that um uh you know mr lakasik got a bit of a free ride there so um so yeah that's

00:34:34.540 the only complexity there but it's not a big problem uh uh there's there's rural albertans

00:34:41.080 are a hearty bunch and they'll just uh the next time they're driving to town make sure they grab

00:34:46.460 some paperwork and and it's quite comical because some of them show up with like envelopes with 17

00:34:51.740 different documents just making sure you're not stopping me from signing this um but uh yeah so

00:34:59.980 um but you were going in a direction of basically is this going to be easy and is this going to be

00:35:05.880 a cakewalk right so like let me get back to the the question of canada like the government or

00:35:11.560 whoever their negotiating team is they could be difficult and try and drag this out for quite some

00:35:16.680 time and even try to convince you that you know what i mean this this whole referendum thing i

00:35:21.380 mean, I mean, it's only 52% or 51% or 50 plus one or whatever. It's not really binding. Um,

00:35:29.860 so why don't you just, you know, like we'll give you a couple of concessions. You just come on

00:35:33.600 back in. I mean, they could make this thing theoretically drag out over years, couldn't

00:35:37.780 they? Well, they could, but if they do, they'll be miscalculating. Well, you see now we're putting

00:35:44.900 it out into the, into the public sphere. Right. And if they do, you're right. This is okay. So,

00:35:50.560 so here's here's how it works under the under the Supreme Court of Canada decision 1998 reference

00:35:58.460 case it says that if as I've said and I'll be somewhat repetitive on purpose it says that if

00:36:05.080 a clear majority of a province vote on a clear question for independence then the the federal

00:36:13.760 government the provincial governments and the impacted First Nations so in Alberta the First

00:36:19.980 Nations within Treaty 6, 7, and 8, are obligated to enter into good faith negotiations as to the

00:36:27.940 terms upon which that province shall cease to be part of Canada and become its own country.

00:36:33.900 So they're under a positive legal duty to enter into good faith negotiations.

00:36:38.820 Now, there's a lot of concern, which I share, that the federal government will not enter into

00:36:47.740 good faith negotiations there's a concern that uh some of the other provinces won't enter into

00:36:54.660 good faith negotiations you know this is a divorce let's be candid and uh we've all know of someone

00:37:02.240 or have experienced a difficult divorce the war of the roses where the the spouses are not getting

00:37:08.900 along they are not doing the right thing yeah so in law we have mechanisms so if you know your buddy

00:37:17.100 johnny's going through a nasty divorce and and uh his ex-wife is making demands of him and he says

00:37:23.580 well i'm just going to ignore him i'm not doing anything but how's that going to work out for

00:37:27.660 johnny right not good so what did the supreme court of canada do what's the supreme court of

00:37:33.460 canada recognized that it might be the case that the parties will not enter into good faith

00:37:39.060 negotiations so paragraph 155 of the supreme court of canada decision contemplates this and

00:37:46.260 And it basically says that if the parties are not engaged in good faith negotiations or they can't resolve the terms, it does not preclude unilateral declaration of independence.

00:38:02.580 Now, what the Supreme Court of Canada was thinking there was that would be dependent upon international recognition, right?

00:38:11.320 and in the era in which quebec was attempting to become independent uh clinton was one of

00:38:19.600 at one point clinton was president i can't remember who the other one was but they were

00:38:23.780 unequivocal in expressing strongly that if quebec votes for independence the united states of

00:38:30.740 america will not be recognizing them now who is the current president of the united states

00:38:35.960 and what do you think his position might be well i think the orange guy would be happy to get the

00:38:41.240 oil or some kind of an oil deal plus all those wonderful conservative uh albertans that's for

00:38:47.660 sure right yeah when we're and we're to be clear and i can explain in detail why it's we're not

00:38:52.000 the 51st state's just not on the table and let's make sure we address that before we're done here

00:38:57.440 tonight but um so what's interesting though and profound and also bizarre is that you know when's

00:39:07.960 the last time prior to 2025, prior to 2025, when's the last time you've heard a government

00:39:15.100 announce that they were going to unilaterally recognize the unilateral declaration of independence

00:39:21.640 of a region of another country somewhere else? It's not a very common thing. And then along

00:39:27.780 comes September 2025, and Prime Minister Carney, without consulting the House of Commons or

00:39:33.660 anything else announces that the government of alberta is recognizing the unilateral declaration

00:39:40.560 of independence by the state of palestine he refreshed that international doctrine

00:39:48.760 he reinvigorated it he revalidated it he gave it credibility he really pissed off the israelis

00:39:56.100 he caused a delay according to senator secretary of state rubio in the peace deal which caused

00:40:02.500 those hostages terrifically be held for a longer period of time, Mr. Carney. So when he did that

00:40:10.020 shadow, I, my, could you imagine my gasp? Like, I'm like, dude, what did you just do? I mean,

00:40:18.020 it was gasp combined with a, yeah, right. So now if, if, if the negotiations fall apart and the

00:40:27.080 federal government doesn't come to the table in a good faith negotiation and Alberta decides to

00:40:31.260 declare unilateral. And the United States of America, President Trump and Secretary State

00:40:39.480 Rubio announced that they're recognizing this unilateral declaration and welcoming Alberta

00:40:46.120 into the world of nation states. What's Carney going to do? He just did it for Palestine.

00:40:54.660 And Palestine doesn't even have a defined border. We have defined borders for Alberta. 0.56

00:40:57.780 yeah it's interesting that you say that because i was gonna i was gonna ask that

00:41:02.880 i mean back in the revolutionary war when the americans were breaking away from the uk they got

00:41:08.960 recognized by france right which gave them instant validation and then they went and negotiated a loan

00:41:15.120 so they could get started uh we've had a delegation from alberta go down to the united

00:41:19.840 states i think they had some pretty high level meetings not sure exactly who they met with but

00:41:24.660 I do know that Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent has talked about Alberta's possible

00:41:29.460 separation more than once on some pretty high profile news outlets.

00:41:36.240 So and also, you know, David Eby, the premier of British Columbia, has called the people

00:41:42.780 who went down to initially just, you know, kind of make some ties with the Americans

00:41:47.600 traitors.

00:41:48.560 He's called them traitors on the CBC and all of the other news outlets in Canada.

00:41:54.660 but it makes it makes good sense his own province i agree with you and i said the very same thing

00:42:01.240 the day he said it right property rights and everything else but and i want to get into that

00:42:05.540 with you as well because uh people are concerned that that might spread to the rest of the country

00:42:10.640 through the living tree doctrine that's a great one because you know what i've got uh it's been

00:42:15.960 one of my passion areas of law is property rights from before i was even a lawyer so i'm happy to

00:42:20.900 clarify that we don't have property rights here i know let's keep making a list because we got it

00:42:27.220 we got we got to deal with the 51st state we're going to deal with property rights but so i've

00:42:33.380 explained how there's two pathways here once you the critical step is to get the clear majority

00:42:41.440 in a referendum once we're through that and if we can pull that off and i'm optimistic we can

00:42:48.040 because we have to do the heavy lift

00:42:50.860 and we need to bring in the pros

00:42:52.160 and we need to do the focus groups

00:42:53.600 and we need to reach that middle group

00:42:55.320 and not get fooled by the echo chamber of support.

00:43:01.840 But so not only is it somewhat obvious

00:43:07.400 that the United States would recognize Alberta,

00:43:11.080 you know Israel's going to do it.

00:43:13.380 And you also know that Argentina's going to do it

00:43:16.940 and El Salvador and a number of countries in Europe and in former Eastern Europe and probably

00:43:23.860 some of the Middle Eastern countries as well the rough calculation is right out of the gate there's

00:43:29.160 at least 20 that are going to be a hard yes so but also who's Alberta how did Alberta form

00:43:38.880 Alberta the initial settlers of Alberta after the fur trade period were ranchers and

00:43:46.660 cowboys driving cattle up from texas through the great plains into alberta after this huge

00:43:55.400 accumulation of cattle that were stuck on the west side of the mississippi after the civil war

00:44:01.360 there's all these cattle everywhere so it's this huge it was like this little cattle gold rush

00:44:06.260 right and so there's this competition to move up and take over the prairies and they kept pushing

00:44:11.620 up. So some of our founding families are American cowboys. You know, that's why you see lots of

00:44:20.400 cowboy hats and cowboy boots in Alberta still. And that's why we have the stampede. It's part

00:44:24.820 of our culture. That's why they call us Texas North. Our origins are the same. But ever since

00:44:29.880 our trade pattern has been North-South, it's not East-West. We're North-South traders. We always

00:44:35.080 have been. And we're sitting here beside, on our border to the south, is the largest economy

00:44:43.220 in the world. We've watched leaders from countries distant away coming with trinkets and gifts and

00:44:52.600 fawning over President Trump to sign deals to get access to that marketplace.

00:44:57.860 so we are so ideally positioned we're culturally aligned um we're always been their trading partner

00:45:06.980 a key trading partner we don't have this anomaly like ontario does ontario's in a tough spot

00:45:13.300 because we have this fiction of the automotive industry and you know trump wants every one of

00:45:19.160 those jobs moved back to the u.s yeah there's no reason why every single thing that alberta

00:45:26.120 supplies to the united states can only be supplied from alberta right it's not there's this auto

00:45:35.500 stuff they can produce the cars in windsor they can produce them in detroit they can't do what

00:45:42.200 we do in alberta so we are uniquely positioned to have resilience against their power plays

00:45:48.600 um so but let me just back up for a minute so here's what i expect is going to happen

00:45:53.760 or here's i shouldn't say what i expect what's going to happen i hope that we achieve a clear

00:45:58.800 majority and i hope that the federal government comes to the table in good faith as they're

00:46:03.680 legally required to do it's the honorable thing to do uh and be adults in the room and have a

00:46:10.220 civil discussion and lay out i know it's not gonna happen man i mean they're gonna be

00:46:16.380 they're losing their resource colony they're not gonna like that at all they're gonna try every

00:46:22.580 dirty trick in the book man every dirty trick they're gonna they're gonna use everyone in the

00:46:26.980 book and then they're gonna invent a whole bunch that aren't even in the book yet 100 yeah totally

00:46:31.400 get it agreed that is my starting point but i have to also assume that they'll follow the law

00:46:37.380 But what if they don't? And so my view is because the, because the federal government does so few things and most of what they do, they do so poorly anyway, you know, passport office is just a, just a bizarre bureaucratic nightmare experience every time you go to one.

00:46:59.020 um so um what what you know we have this white paper that's going to be worked on it's going to

00:47:08.120 detail all the transition steps but there's also going to be a process where a term sheet's going

00:47:13.860 to be developed it's kind of like the terms of divorce um you know the federal government we

00:47:19.060 have five uh national parks in in alberta there's four military bases we can put a value on that

00:47:25.400 and say, here's what we're going to pay you for them.

00:47:27.660 We don't want the equipment.

00:47:29.160 We're not antique collectors.

00:47:30.460 You can take the military equipment off the basis.

00:47:32.900 Thank you very much. 0.99

00:47:33.920 Remove the tampon machines.

00:47:35.460 We won't be needing those.

00:47:41.360 And we can say in this term sheet, here's our proposal.

00:47:46.860 Here's the value of these things.

00:47:48.620 Here's how much of the Canadian pension plan you owe Albertans.

00:47:52.020 because you know on your paycheck there's amount that comes that you worked for that you earned

00:47:56.820 goes into the canadian pension plan that's yours you can retire and move to another country you

00:48:02.180 still get it it's your money so albertans have a big chunk of that um and we can say here's our

00:48:09.340 proposal we can prepare and also we would say here's our proposal for a bilateral trade agreement

00:48:15.940 we're going to continue to allow british columbia to ship its goods uh from west to east

00:48:21.760 You know, there's two major ports where these huge container ships come in from Asia and they get outloaded onto rail cars, as you've seen driving.

00:48:32.420 You know, you've seen the rail lines, the main line going through Winnipeg and it's got all the intermodal on it.

00:48:37.580 You've seen the trucks going.

00:48:39.440 So a lot of the stuff that you guys buy in your Canadian tire and Walmarts comes on those ships.

00:48:47.400 Same with Ontario, Quebec and Eastern.

00:48:49.580 so we would allow that trade to flow we would have an expectation of of a reciprocal trade

00:48:58.080 arrangement with british columbia that if they want to ship their goods through our province

00:49:02.900 or our country now we expect to be able to ship our goods through theirs something we can't do

00:49:08.640 today because of the quirks of federalism and the confederation so there would also be a bilateral

00:49:15.180 trade agreement with aviation, because Edmonton is headquarters for the largest air traffic

00:49:24.720 control airspace ATC center in the world. So every airport has an ATC center, and they have

00:49:33.160 different sizes of airspace they cover. The air traffic control center that has the largest

00:49:39.400 amount of airspace of any other air traffic control center in any other country in the world

00:49:45.540 is located in edmonton so um we would enter into a reciprocal agreement to maintain continuity of

00:49:53.520 service and safety through that airspace so we would present this and because it's not that

00:49:59.700 complicated and because there's so few things we'll take over the we're gonna shift the border

00:50:05.860 guards at the airport and at the border chaos from your payroll to our payroll take us two

00:50:12.020 months to get them new uniforms and new business cards replacing the canadian flag with the alberta

00:50:16.520 flag it's actually not that complicated there's only so many things to argue on price on especially

00:50:22.780 if we don't want all the old antique equipment from the military bases um so we can alberta can

00:50:29.960 present that to the federal government and say, we got 60 days. You got 60 days. Let's have a

00:50:36.700 meeting in two weeks. You guys can tell us the parts you like and you don't like. You can

00:50:42.760 counter propose. Maybe we'll agree to modify the terms. And if they refuse to meet or they engage

00:50:48.140 in lawfare or they otherwise don't engage in good faith dealings, as they're obligated to do,

00:50:53.880 then we can give them an ultimatum. We can say, okay, 60 days is up. You've got another 30 days.

00:50:59.960 Here's our proposal. Accept it. Counter it. Let's have a meeting. Let's be lawful and adult about this. And if they refuse on the 30th day, we can say fine. We're declaring a unilateral declaration of independence. And then work with international partners and countries to firm that up and leave it on the table.

00:51:29.380 That's my next question. It's that if there is no recognition after the referendum vote from any country, and I know you've listed a few of them, but most notably the United States, if the states decides, you know what, we don't want to get in the middle of this right now, it's an internal matter.

00:51:46.280 We're going to wait until Alberta settles it with Canada before we recognize them.

00:51:51.920 If you haven't got that leg to stand on when it comes to negotiations with Canada, it could

00:51:58.180 drag on for years, like you say, with the lawfare and all the dirty tricks that you

00:52:03.260 know they're going to play.

00:52:04.280 They're probably sitting thinking about them even now, right?

00:52:07.960 So what then would be Alberta's move?

00:52:11.360 I mean, if Canada is just going to sit there and do nothing and engage in lawfare.

00:52:17.280 Well, it's going to be a mess, but I don't think those are the facts.

00:52:21.340 I don't know. I mean, like, you know, there is no formal recognition yet.

00:52:25.620 Although, you know, whenever I see Besant, and again, Besant is the one that I see talking about this more than any other.

00:52:31.320 I haven't seen Rubio talk about it or Trump or Vance or any of those guys.

00:52:34.720 It's Besant. Whenever he does talk about it, though, he gets this little smirk on his face like something has been agreed to.

00:52:42.060 but he obviously won't announce anything uh and i don't think that would be helpful

00:52:49.840 yeah i know but i look you know you look at the national security uh uh uh doctrine document

00:52:59.940 national security strategy i think it's called i did a podcast on this uh or a youtube video

00:53:06.680 a few months ago and they had released it last year the americans the don't just read

00:53:12.420 fortress north america yep right and so here um we have not only the third largest reserve of oil

00:53:22.780 in alberta owned by the alberta government for those people in ontario listening that

00:53:28.260 think oh it's crown that means it's federal no i can walk you through in painful detail why you're

00:53:33.360 wrong um anyway um not only that they have lots of options the americans even though the permian

00:53:42.480 basin is declining uh for oil especially with venezuela but what they don't have any options

00:53:48.300 force natural gas and alberta has one of the largest reserves of natural gas in the world

00:53:53.800 their farmers need fertilizer we are one of the few countries in the western world that is a net

00:54:01.840 producer and exporter of urea fertilizer we have metallurgical coal on at scale we have

00:54:10.540 food wheat grain canola peas beef pork you know we have so much going for us

00:54:22.580 they need us and we can give them stability at the same time let's talk about a couple other things

00:54:30.040 one is um uh you remember tom marazzo from the freedom convoy oh yeah yeah so tom's you know

00:54:38.600 retired he was a captain in the armed forces and he shared with me like a year or so ago

00:54:43.380 that when he was in officer college or whatever they call it uh they learned about the different

00:54:51.320 doctrines and battle plans that the pentagon has on the shelf and ever since the cold war

00:54:57.040 in 1950s the american planners at the pentagon have been very comfortable that they can defend

00:55:03.260 the united states of america from an attack on um from an attack on either coast the pacific or the

00:55:10.360 atlantic where they perceive their vulnerability is an arctic attack an attack from the north

00:55:15.800 right from russia and or china so they've always seen uh the prairies and the territories to the

00:55:25.760 north as part of their defensive sphere where they have to defend and all their doctrines tom was

00:55:32.560 explaining to me since the 50s have been that if there's an attack they would rush forces that's

00:55:38.700 probably why they built their interstate system east and west north south uh was that they can

00:55:43.060 mass mobilize so they could get up into canada to fight in canada instead of fighting the invaders

00:55:50.320 in montana okay and if you look at the where the airports were built the military airports in world

00:55:55.940 war ii they're all through alberta they're right up the highway 2 corridor every every uh like 30

00:56:04.280 40 miles there's a town and there's a big military old military hangar and there's a x y you know

00:56:11.460 kind of runway all built as part of the north american defense strategy so alberta has huge

00:56:18.680 strategic military importance from a defense point of view and this is nothing new it's been

00:56:23.720 on the books like i say since the 50s so um and then on top of that in addition to insulting

00:56:33.020 trump personally running that edited manipulated ad that premier ford did during super bowl

00:56:41.060 manipulating the words of one of their most cherished presidents president reagan

00:56:46.700 150 million dollars saturating swing states one thing you've trump has a memory as we've noticed

00:56:56.920 right so then on top of that carney says multiple times in front of in the house of comments and at

00:57:09.040 press conferences and at speeches where he's got teleprompters so you know he's reading

00:57:14.420 and he says our relationship canada's relationship with the united states is over

00:57:21.180 the largest economy in the world the largest military in the world our neighbor it's over

00:57:32.280 no dude china and he starts talking about the new world order he did that over and over and then he

00:57:38.380 goes to china yeah so now i'm sorry shadow you were asking you were proposing a hypothetical to

00:57:44.700 me that maybe the united states of america after watching albertans exercise a legal process for

00:57:51.320 independence voting in accordance with the manner of the supreme court of canada and they see the

00:57:57.200 federal government's not playing nice alberta declares independence and the americans are going

00:58:02.240 to sit this out and not recognize alberta i don't think that's even a scenario right now well that

00:58:06.760 that is a very good argument and look at this one today uh from politico carney's mega anti-trump

00:58:12.540 alliance starts quest to save the world trade organization i mean come on you you think that

00:58:20.300 trump doesn't hear about this stuff i mean he knows i think you know i don't know the guy see

00:58:26.920 what you see but i think he almost relishes a little guy like carney you know a little short guy

00:58:35.800 um coming up with his skinny neck and he's like dude all right i'm gonna i'm gonna show you

00:58:43.300 something you know so it's just so foolhardy and they're taking canada down and it's tragic and

00:58:48.820 it's unfortunate albertans don't want to be part of it we don't agree with what he's doing at all

00:58:53.040 and what's remarkable is this uh situation in in in the ukraine russian war um and what it's doing

00:59:02.620 to fuel you know every night now they just blew up one of another port in russia uh the uh the

00:59:08.940 ukrainians did with drones um and then you look at what's happening with iran and the strait of

00:59:13.760 and there's 1200 ships trapped 1200 ships uh trapped there and they can't get out and some

00:59:22.920 of them are lng carriers some of them are are tankers but a lot of them are bulk carriers of

00:59:26.880 fertilizer some of them have helium is actually and there's going to be a helium shortage and

00:59:31.520 why that's important is that goes to Taiwan and other places because you use it as cooling to make

00:59:36.260 chips, computer chips. So there's going to be a computer chip shortage. It's going to be like the

00:59:39.920 disruption to the supply chain is incredible. But what's remarkable also is how resilient Alberta is

00:59:46.280 because, you know, Australia has two refineries. Australia, Alberta has five, five. Australia,

00:59:56.400 Alberta has the capability, I'm looking off screen here at my stats, to produce

01:00:01.040 575,000 barrels a day of refined product of diesel, of aircraft fuel, of gasoline and related

01:00:11.560 refinery products. Whereas Australia has only 235,000. So we've got more than double for our

01:00:21.260 size. We're a net exporter of these things. As I mentioned earlier, fertilizer, we have all of

01:00:26.500 these things going for us and the only reason we are not the richest country in the world

01:00:35.740 let alone province is because the ideological extremists in ottawa the trudeau liberals and

01:00:43.260 then the carny liberals have put in deliberate policies to keep us from developing and selling

01:00:50.720 our resources it's incredible it is incredible incredible you did mention uh earlier that 51st

01:00:59.920 state is off the table what i would say is uh okay that's great but there will be a relationship

01:01:05.160 with the united states we've talked about that as there should be as all these countries wish for

01:01:10.740 but we'll be in a way better position because we have stuff that they can only get from us

01:01:16.020 how is it though that you're a cheaper because we're closer alberta would be able to fight them

01:01:21.720 off if if trump decided you know what we're just going to annex alberta we're going to take it it's

01:01:25.500 the 51st state that's all there is to it i mean who's going to stop them i've heard that if the

01:01:30.240 americans invaded canada uh the shortest period of time i've heard that it would take the americans

01:01:36.220 to invade canada and take over canada is five hours i think the longest was a week you know i

01:01:43.120 guess they might want to just take their time if they're doing a week or something maybe stop at

01:01:46.820 some of the golf courses and play a couple rounds before they keep going but um yeah i mean come on

01:01:52.980 what are we going to do like you know and what you know i guess i've joked that um uh if if if

01:02:01.420 canada were to invade alberta it'd be really important that we distribute safety glasses

01:02:06.660 because not everybody wears glasses like you and i and there is a risk a shadow that if they throw

01:02:12.980 throw tampons at us like you could get a little abrasion on your eyeball so we're going to have

01:02:17.620 to distribute safety glasses to protect us from this assault is it from the string yeah i don't

01:02:24.460 know well i guess you could trip over theirs i'm not sure how long they are but um my my sarcasm

01:02:30.260 is what a disgrace this government has brought our country to and it goes back to your emotional

01:02:35.560 point did these soldiers did my forefathers that fought in the wars did they fight to have

01:02:42.780 tampon machines put into the washrooms on military bases they'd be disgusted by that um so uh you

01:02:51.580 know it's really exciting time alberta's got so much going for it we have this legal process i

01:02:57.560 think we have a confluence of events coming together historically that never could have

01:03:03.520 occurred prior to this and will probably never occur again at least not in my lifetime and a

01:03:09.020 couple of generations lifetime and the real question is going to be how many albertans will

01:03:14.600 see that and get behind this this movement to make alberta the most prosperous country in in the world

01:03:23.920 you know another statistic i examined is um you you may be aware and a lot of your viewers won't

01:03:33.140 be so i'll describe it in saudi arabia you don't pay income tax in kuwait you don't pay

01:03:38.740 income tax you go through those countries oil rich countries in in in the middle east where

01:03:46.440 they have so much oil and it's owned by the government um developed by companies but owned

01:03:52.780 by the government just like alberta oil is owned by the alberta government um uh that they don't

01:04:00.540 pay income tax so i did an analysis where i did a per capita reserved per person you know oil

01:04:09.660 per person so reserves per capita and and saudi arabia was like this um kuwait or kuwait was like

01:04:18.500 this and then the other countries about that scale and then alberta was like this like we have such a

01:04:26.540 low population relative to our oil reserve that if every single one of these countries that have

01:04:33.680 a fractional proportion compared to us have at all times been able to have no income tax

01:04:39.060 it's inevitable logically that we would find ourselves in the same place in time if we can

01:04:45.120 actually get our products to market and get them out and not burden them with silly carbon taxes

01:04:50.000 and emission caps and all of these other things that the ideologues in ottawa have imposed

01:04:56.260 So we're uniquely positioned to unleash the wealth of our province for the benefit of our children and our grandchildren.

01:05:06.600 And that's a great emotional argument, Keith, for the benefit of our children and our grandchildren.

01:05:13.840 That's a great one. I would test that in a focus group.

01:05:17.600 But let's talk about property rights, because what's going on in B.C. right now?

01:05:23.460 If you go to 51st state, then property rights, are you okay with that?

01:05:27.540 Whatever works, but.

01:05:29.560 Sorry.

01:05:30.800 No, I don't like, just because the 51st state thing is related right to the independence

01:05:36.960 thing and the property rights gets a little bit more broad.

01:05:39.880 And so the reason why Alberta is not going to become the 51st state, even no matter how

01:05:45.720 badly Donald Trump may want that, if he does want that, let's assume he does, is because

01:05:51.320 you need both um the senate and the house of representatives to vote in favor of it and the

01:05:59.160 way the vote split tends to go in there you would need a number of democratic votes to implement it

01:06:07.640 but the democrats have been clear that they want washington dc which is currently not a state to

01:06:13.760 become a state and they want puerto rico right but each washington and puerto rico would each get to

01:06:19.800 two representatives and two seats and they're notoriously blue so the math is that if they were

01:06:27.720 to if they wanted alberta and alberta agreed um the republicans would probably never hold power

01:06:34.360 again so they know that and trump's been told that and besides albertans have been living our lives

01:06:42.920 under an oppressive, manipulative,

01:06:46.080 exploitive masters in Ottawa.

01:06:48.300 The last thing we want to do

01:06:50.020 is go from that abusive relationship

01:06:52.040 to a new one with Washington.

01:06:54.400 We're done.

01:06:55.420 We're done.

01:06:55.960 We're done of this abusive relationship.

01:06:57.740 We're done being exploited.

01:06:59.720 And we're going to chart our own path.

01:07:02.540 So this 51st state stuff is fear-mongering.

01:07:07.620 It's not viable,

01:07:08.720 no matter how much Trump might want it.

01:07:10.940 And Albertans want no part of it.

01:07:12.380 Okay, so property rights, even though we don't have them in Canada, I mean, we have the illusion of property rights. But what's been going on in British Columbia has many people alarmed because of these First Nations land claims. And I'm not sure exactly what the federal government did with the lower mainland of British Columbia, but it sounds pretty bad. Was that a new treaty they signed? Or was that just another memo of understanding? Or what exactly was that? Are you aware of that one?

01:07:40.260 Oh, yeah. What a mess. What an absolute mess. So I saw this problem forming way back when I was in law school in the early 90s. And there was the Calder decision, I think, from 87, around that time period.

01:08:01.900 And I saw this sort of sequence starting of decisions from the courts, recognizing and increasing First Nations rights and Aboriginal rights, Indigenous rights that keep changing the phraseology.

01:08:16.840 And then we got to the point where they came up with this idea of Aboriginal title.

01:08:23.320 And just pause for a minute.

01:08:28.180 You've heard people do these land acknowledgements, right?

01:08:31.040 And they'll say, we recognize we're standing on the unseeded territory, blah, blah, blah.

01:08:35.100 And sometimes they'll say, we recognize we're standing on the seeded territory.

01:08:39.740 And that's not seeding as in putting a crop in the ground.

01:08:43.820 It's seeded as a C-E, Charlie Echo.

01:08:48.740 In other words, surrender, given up.

01:08:51.560 So in Alberta, we are very unique and very fortunate.

01:08:56.300 I think Manitoba is pretty good too.

01:08:58.440 Saskatchewan is pretty good.

01:09:00.180 Ontario's not bad, but it's got some spots on the map that aren't covered by treaties.

01:09:05.760 All of Alberta is covered by treaties.

01:09:08.000 We have Treaty 6, 7, and 8.

01:09:09.940 And they were negotiated in the 1876, 1877, and 1899.

01:09:17.880 And on the front page of these very short documents, it says,

01:09:22.780 we the first nations in this territory territory six hereby forever transfer assign uh seed give

01:09:31.160 up surrender all and any rights we have in these lands within our territory to the government of

01:09:39.100 canada to the crown in return for a whole bunch of stuff right we want reserves we want cattle

01:09:46.800 we want agricultural implements, we want blankets, we want tools, we want education.

01:09:53.000 So it led to the residential schools, the obligation to provide education.

01:09:56.820 We want health care, all of these different things.

01:10:01.920 Traditional rights for hunting, trapping, fishing.

01:10:05.080 So British Columbia has virtually no treaties.

01:10:09.900 In fact, I think it's 98% of the land base of British Columbia doesn't have a treaty.

01:10:14.580 It's all unseated.

01:10:16.800 And 130% of British Columbia is subject to Aboriginal title claims.

01:10:27.120 And the reason it's 130% is that some areas, like the lower mainland, are stacked.

01:10:36.160 You got one First Nation claiming, you got another First Nation claiming, and the other is, no, no, it's not yours, it's ours, right?

01:10:41.640 And that's what the Cowichan decision was about, was an area of Richmond.

01:10:45.620 And you had two different, or maybe even three, but two for sure, First Nations saying, this is our Aboriginal traditional territory, and we're claiming Aboriginal title.

01:10:56.400 And so, first of all, can you see how this is not a problem for Alberta?

01:11:01.540 Because we're all subject to treaties. 0.98

01:11:04.140 Like, Alberta is so uniquely positioned to make this independence move because we got our shit together.

01:11:09.140 but let me let me ask let me ask you something here and this is something called the constitutional 0.94

01:11:16.120 living tree doctrine which it seems that the supreme court of canada has adopted and they

01:11:21.980 started doing this in i guess the late 1990s where if let's say a first nations tries to make a land

01:11:31.340 claim in elbert and they they can't because there's a treaty in place as you say the supreme

01:11:38.360 Court will say, well, you want to know what? Because whatever Indian band didn't have a

01:11:44.580 written language, they don't have their own contract and they didn't really know what they

01:11:50.760 were signing. And we have all of these indigenous stories that have passed down from generation to

01:11:56.040 generation to generation that say that, no, we didn't give up this land or we didn't know we

01:12:01.420 were giving up this land. And they're actually using that for decisions with the Supreme Court,

01:12:07.140 which could negate these treaties altogether.

01:12:09.780 At least that's my understanding of it.

01:12:11.900 Is that wrong?

01:12:14.040 Yes and no.

01:12:15.780 I mean, is that a danger?

01:12:17.300 Yes.

01:12:18.360 Have some First Nations tried it?

01:12:20.300 Yes.

01:12:20.920 Were they successful?

01:12:22.180 No.

01:12:23.240 Does that mean they'll be successful in the future?

01:12:25.600 No.

01:12:26.300 Like, does it?

01:12:27.160 Maybe.

01:12:28.740 But let's talk about something that's certain,

01:12:31.400 which is almost all of British Columbia has no treaty.

01:12:37.140 So that's not in dispute. No one's suggesting that there's a treaty that someone signed and didn't agree to. There isn't a treaty. There's certain treaties. There's the Douglas Treaty that covers the area of Victoria and Saanich. There's a couple of other minor ones.

01:12:51.160 So let's go back to Cowichan for a minute. So Cowichan comes along, the decision, the court last year, and the court rules that the Cowichan tribe from over by Lake Cowichan on the island would come across in canoes or whatever, whatever they call them, and go up the Fraser River and set up a fishing camp by where Richmond is.

01:13:15.300 and they were able to demonstrate that they had a better claim to it than another competing

01:13:22.020 first nation and the court did some spectacular things the court declared that they had aboriginal

01:13:27.520 title the court declared that the the land titles that the businesses the distribution centers the

01:13:36.420 canadian tire warehouse the golf course the greenhouses and all of the homes people homeowners

01:13:42.760 Those land titles that say British Columbia land title, John Smith, X address something way Richmond, are invalid, and the aboriginal title that the court announced that the Cowichan tribe had over that land trumps is better right.

01:14:03.000 It's a superior right in property. 0.90

01:14:05.200 They took property rights and turned them on their head and flushed them down the toilet.

01:14:10.560 So that meant that every other part of the province, if and so all of Kamloops and the surrounding areas is actively before the courts and the First Nations there is claiming title to every single house, every single business, every single street, every single park in the Kamloops area, including the city.

01:14:34.700 if the court rules that they have aboriginal title all of those people's title is invalid

01:14:42.060 unenforceable and meaningless right yep um so it's tectonic there's other lawyers are writing

01:14:50.960 about this there's other lawyers who are going on podcasts tom isaac and others and calmly

01:14:56.720 pleading with people to understand the seriousness of this situation and they're already now seeing

01:15:03.140 a devaluation of property. They're seeing investment leave. So again, though, contrast

01:15:10.460 that situation. And then they just released, and I'm drawing a mental blank, it's been a long day,

01:15:15.260 but what's the decision they just announced or the agreement they just announced covering the

01:15:20.680 lower mainland, West Vancouver, North Vancouver? Anyway, it's just on the tip of my tongue.

01:15:27.440 There's an agreement announced three weeks ago by the federal government that they'd reached an

01:15:32.160 agreement with uh first nations covering all of vancouver like the city of vancouver north

01:15:38.240 vancouver west vancouver deep cove part of burnaby and so on stanley park and everybody's like even

01:15:46.100 premier eb was floored by it he said we weren't consulted um and they declared musqueam thank you

01:15:54.180 sorry it was on the tip of my tongue musqueam so it's a bad situation there but again contrast

01:16:00.800 that with Alberta. We have treaties, Treaty 6, 7, and 8. The first page of those treaties say,

01:16:09.660 we, the First Nations of this region, of this treaty territory, have defined on a map from this

01:16:15.900 river to that mountain to this border. Hereby, cede, surrender, give up, assign, transfer to the

01:16:23.060 crown all of our rights in the land, okay? And we have obligations to them, and they must be

01:16:29.580 honored under the treaties. So Alberta, and there's another spot. This is my favorite one.

01:16:36.480 There is a place in Ontario where it's unseated and the Algonquins are claiming it. They're

01:16:45.640 claiming they have Aboriginal title and it's all of downtown Ottawa, including the parliament

01:16:51.080 bloc and the prime minister's office and the governor generals and the Supreme Court of

01:16:56.540 canada building and all of the suburbs and into quebec and throughout so a big chunk of the ottawa

01:17:03.360 region is all currently with an active land claim by first nations in ontario claiming that they

01:17:11.300 have aboriginal title and i posed to my lawyer friends i've said you know if cowichan gets to

01:17:18.780 the supreme court of canada or the algonquin claim to ottawa gets to the supreme court of canada

01:17:26.200 aren't all the supreme court of canada justice is going to have to recuse themselves

01:17:30.940 because they're essentially going to be ruling on whether or not they have title to their home

01:17:35.220 because they all live there right this is how absurd canada has become it's just so nonsensical

01:17:42.300 so there is no country right well a market economy you know i'm a property rights proponent john

01:17:51.040 Locke, all of these other economic and political philosophers, we have a market economy. And

01:18:00.220 market economies are premised on property rights. You cannot have a market economy. You can't have

01:18:06.400 capitalism. You can't have these systems that have been proven to work better than any other system

01:18:12.800 in terms of equalizing and maximizing wealth and prosperity without property rights. They're the

01:18:19.240 foundation of it all right don't you think they know that it's columbia though particularly the

01:18:23.840 lower mainland because i lived there for six years and uh most of my family uh uh you know

01:18:28.800 my siblings and stuff live there um is part of the culture of the lower mainland is pride and

01:18:35.560 homeownership people they work for that that's their goal and usually if it's a married couple

01:18:40.620 one couple salary one of the couples one of the one of the spouses goes to paying for all the

01:18:48.120 stuff for the house because the property values are so high so this has created such controversy

01:18:54.420 in british columbia people are normally apolitical or just livid at what they've done and then they

01:19:01.160 brought in undrip and converted undrip the united nations declaration on the rights of indigenous

01:19:07.080 peoples which is an aspirational document the british columbia government this was just before

01:19:12.520 covid if you go back in my twitter feed i was warning about this stuff in 2019 and 2020 um

01:19:19.160 uh they brought in they what's called drippa yeah uh which is the provincial implementation

01:19:26.640 legislation in british columbia of undrip and then a year later they amended section 8 of their

01:19:32.240 interpretation act to make it binding law so that and and i think it's section 3.2 or 32 it's been

01:19:38.980 a while since i looked at undrip but it says that first nations have a veto over any land use

01:19:45.700 decisions in their territories but where are their territories all of british columbia so

01:19:51.260 mining companies started getting approvals for mines and other things and forestry projects

01:19:56.980 first nations went to court and said well we joe you know sally bob and pete said yes but joe he

01:20:03.360 said no and it's like oh joe said no okay sorry tear up your permit yeah and so all these resource

01:20:10.560 companies are like what do we do and so now evie's in a real pickle because he's and this was in the

01:20:16.000 media recently in the last couple days he's apparently secretly discussing with first nations

01:20:20.840 how to walk back their rights and they don't want to walk back their rights politicians have reached

01:20:26.500 out to me and i won't name them i'll keep them anonymous but they've said to me mr wilson you 1.00

01:20:30.760 what's the solution here and they said well if we get rid of drippa um have we solved the problem

01:20:37.380 i said no you've solved your problem of mining and forestry and other land use approvals but you

01:20:42.980 haven't solved your property rights problem because cowichan is the result of the living

01:20:48.000 tree decisions of the supreme court of canada so you're going to either have to convince the

01:20:54.940 get the supreme court of canada reverse that trend good luck maybe or another option is

01:21:02.040 you're going to have to convince get ready for this you're gonna have to convince the carny

01:21:05.720 liberals to amend section 35 of the constitution to weaken aboriginal rights they're not going to

01:21:14.260 do that and then you've got to get seven provinces with more than 50 of the population to trigger the

01:21:19.880 amending formula to imagine section 35 and then some of these provincial officials said to me

01:21:26.200 well what if we held a referendum and went the independence route and i said well that's an

01:21:32.380 option too so canada's a mess man let me ask you this i mean if we're talking about we want to you

01:21:40.500 know hold a referendum and declare sovereignty uh if a municipality says it keith right because

01:21:48.020 i know saskatchewan as a province there's the saskatchewan prosperity project now and they are

01:21:53.940 very keen on on getting the same kind of movement going there as you guys have in alberta and i also

01:22:00.300 know that some border municipalities in manitoba and in british columbia are keen to want to join

01:22:07.500 this as well is there any kind of formula for moving boundaries of a province or is that within

01:22:15.620 provincial jurisdiction or is that federal i mean like i wouldn't even begin to know how that would

01:22:20.340 work well the easiest and cleanest is a province because that's what the supreme court of canada

01:22:26.000 said um i don't think it's impossible that it could be a region like some people have said the

01:22:32.020 peace river block of of you know the the flat part of british columbia that's in the northeast

01:22:39.020 because the mountain range goes on an angle um and they're much more culturally aligned they're

01:22:45.120 basically an extension of with with our city of Grand Prairie. It would be possible, but it's

01:22:52.140 much more complicated. It's not as clean. It's not as already established and laid out. So and

01:23:00.520 you know, the other thing is that some provinces don't have even referendum legislation. Alberta's

01:23:05.700 had referendum legislation for decades. And then Alberta has for many years, had this citizen

01:23:12.960 initiative legislation that allows citizens to register a petition. And if they get enough

01:23:21.980 signatures, it forces the Alberta government to hold a referendum. So we have all of the legal

01:23:29.560 steps and processes in place. No other province has all of the pieces of machinery, legislative,

01:23:36.020 statutory, regulatory machinery in place like Alberta does, and is now you're watching it in

01:23:40.960 action. I want to ask you about this living tree ideology or doctrine that the Supreme Court is

01:23:49.000 following. This basically turns our Constitution into something the Supreme Court feels needs

01:23:55.920 updating from time to time. This is my read on it. And so what's written in the Constitution

01:24:02.300 could be antiquated in their opinion and it needs to be updated to the modern times

01:24:09.640 and so that's where you know my earlier reference to supreme court judges now saying well um i mean

01:24:17.700 because those indian bands back then didn't have a written language we don't really know what their

01:24:22.800 feelings were and if they didn't know what they were signing let's hear what you know the

01:24:26.940 grandfather of the grandfather of the grandfather had to say he was around witnessing this at the

01:24:31.620 time. Whereas that was never considered before. It used to just be what was written on the paper

01:24:38.160 is the supreme law of this country. And now the federal government is going to the Supreme Court

01:24:46.200 to try and get the notwithstanding clause limited for the use of provinces based on this

01:24:54.480 living tree doctrine. It sounds to me like the Supreme Court is getting into the business of

01:25:00.160 rewriting the Constitution and making law, not just defining what the law is. Am I wrong?

01:25:07.420 Well, that's always a tension, right? That there's always this tension about

01:25:11.440 when does a court cross, a judge in a superior court cross the line from interpreting and

01:25:18.760 implying the law to making law? When do they cross the line to being jurists, interpreters of law

01:25:26.400 to policymakers. So that's always a tension that exists, and it always will, in my view, anyway.

01:25:34.120 Whenever I've, I've been asked to talk on this Living Tree thing only a couple of times, but

01:25:39.260 it's not like when I'm writing a brief to the court or making an oral argument that I say, you

01:25:44.660 know, my lords, I want to invoke the Living Tree Doctrine. That's not how it works. What happens

01:25:50.220 is you're always presenting a fax to the court saying this is the case before you.

01:25:56.880 And here's how we think the law should be applied to it.

01:26:00.700 Here's how we think the principles of the charter apply or don't apply.

01:26:05.040 Here's how we think the principles of the division of powers or the peace order and

01:26:09.180 good government clause or the paramountcy doctrine or the compartmentalized doctrine

01:26:16.600 apply to these facts.

01:26:19.460 and then the court looks at them and decides which case law it wants to follow or makes new law.

01:26:26.300 So, and I just think it's a reality because, for example, one of the things that didn't exist

01:26:31.860 in 1867 when the British North America Act was written, which is our foundational constitution,

01:26:38.640 was aviation. So at some point, the Supreme Court of Canada had to decide, well, who has

01:26:44.480 jurisdiction over aviation? Is this a local works and a matter of property or is this something

01:26:50.800 different? So and then, you know, of course, we've got the Internet. Now we've got artificial

01:26:55.620 intelligence and all kinds of other things that are going to continue to emerge that are new and

01:27:00.960 never even contemplated in the past. So I think courts have to adapt. But, you know, that's where

01:27:07.460 your selection process for courts, judges becomes very important. And we've seen that process become

01:27:13.520 very, very politicized. And that's another thing that independence will address is that we won't

01:27:20.020 have Ottawa and the prime minister appointing the judges in Alberta. So if you have nine Supreme

01:27:27.420 Court judges who happen to be woke and progressive and believe that these treaties are invalid based

01:27:34.720 upon listening to the stories of whatever First Nations ban tells them, then all of these treaties

01:27:42.020 could be declared null and void at some point that's that's my problem that's why i'm asking

01:27:46.140 about this living tree concept because yes i understand what section 35 of the constitution is

01:27:52.860 but treaties have been signed in good faith as far as we're concerned but the court doesn't seem so

01:27:59.040 convinced of that well i don't know i'm not one they haven't budged yet but you know yet i agree

01:28:06.040 i agree i just uh there's way more pressing and eminent immediate things that cause me to lose

01:28:14.440 sleep at night not that one well i mean now let me just throw this at you and this could be something

01:28:20.920 that you go ahead and decide to maybe use in in marketing going forward uh you know the living

01:28:27.360 tree doctrine gives the supreme court the power to pretty much change the constitution and you know

01:28:34.540 nullify these treaties that were signed in good faith in alberta which means you know use fear

01:28:39.740 as a weapon just like the governments have for the past five or six years and say these first

01:28:44.960 nations are coming for your home unless you decide you want alberta to be a sovereign nation well we

01:28:51.620 have with the exception of a few chiefs we have relative peace and success in albert and our

01:28:58.020 relationship well then those guys just fly to england to complain to the king to the king yeah

01:29:03.780 Yeah, I just like, is he a settler, colonizer, oppressor, king, bad king, and now he's good king?

01:29:10.800 Yeah, he's a settler, colonizer.

01:29:13.860 I don't know.

01:29:14.640 They just got to work on their storyline.

01:29:16.560 They seem to be getting confused.

01:29:18.080 They need to have better crib sheets.

01:29:20.260 But, you know, let's just talk about this for a minute.

01:29:23.280 People say Alberta can't separate its treaty land.

01:29:26.460 Okay, you've just demonstrated you don't understand what the treaties say because every treaty says the same thing.

01:29:32.240 it's no longer first nation land and the only land that's still first nations as a historical

01:29:38.880 legal fact are the reserves the reserves in alberta the indian reserves in alberta constitute

01:29:45.040 1.3 1.3 percent of our land base they're tiny the land within a reserve is owned titled to the

01:29:54.700 federal government all of the relations with the first nations are determined by their treaty and

01:30:00.120 the indian act like why these chiefs would want to perpetuate that relationship of dominance and

01:30:07.380 submission and oppression by ottawa and mismanagement by ottawa is beyond me i'll leave it at that and

01:30:15.900 um so first nations when we have an election in alberta whether it's a municipal province we do

01:30:23.240 our elections municipally, province-wide. Every two years, there's a municipal election. First

01:30:29.780 Nations people get to vote in those elections, just like everybody else. Then we have provincial

01:30:33.940 elections. They get to go and vote, just like everybody else. Then we have federal elections.

01:30:37.320 They get to go vote, like everybody else. Any First Nation person in Alberta has the right to

01:30:41.520 go and sign the petition, and many have, because many want a better future for them and their

01:30:47.180 communities as well, when they're not happy about the status quo, which is understandable when you

01:30:52.080 look at the poverty and the dire situations on the reserves if they get one vote each in the

01:31:00.420 referendum on october 19th if we become a move towards independence then each individual first

01:31:08.600 nation will have three choices one is they can decide and only they can decide i can't tell them

01:31:14.920 what to do you can't tell them what to do premier smith can't tell them what to do mark carney can't

01:31:19.080 tell them what to do each first nation as a community gets to make a decision do they want

01:31:23.940 the federal government nothing to change the land will remain we'll have these little dots of federal

01:31:30.480 canadian government land within our country you know it'll be within alberta but the land title

01:31:37.340 will show government of canada just like they own the land at the military base and own the land

01:31:43.520 under some of their government buildings their airports are the international ones anyway um

01:31:48.880 um and and have the federal government continue to administer the treaties administer uh the

01:31:55.100 indian act or the first nation any one of them each first nation gets to make its own decision

01:32:00.280 just because the one to the east and the west makes a decision they don't have to follow that

01:32:04.200 they will have another option they could say you know what we want a new relationship uh but we

01:32:09.480 want to keep the treaty and everything else we just want alberta edmonton to administer this we

01:32:13.900 don't like those guys in ottawa they haven't done a good job for us uh and then the third option

01:32:18.140 any First Nation would have is to say, you know what, these things were negotiated in 1876, 1877

01:32:24.800 and 1899. It's 2026, maybe it might be a 2027 at this point. Let's enter into a brand new

01:32:31.480 relationship. It's very common for parties, for businesses, other people, governments to say,

01:32:38.980 you know what, we had this agreement with free trade, right? You enter your party, say, you know

01:32:43.420 what this agreement's out of date let's sit down and voluntarily agree to replace it with a new one

01:32:49.800 so the first nations a few chiefs are saying oh we can't alberta can't separate alberta can't go

01:32:57.460 to independence because we have to consent no you don't have to consent we're not proposing to

01:33:03.020 change anything you can carry on just as you were before if you want to change it hey let's sit down

01:33:09.060 and have a discussion we're happy to talk about it but you're in control here man nobody's talking

01:33:13.460 about taking away your rights so a few of the first chiefs are just behaving with pure pure

01:33:20.160 politics i think they're trying to seek some favor from those in ottawa for reasons that people can

01:33:27.900 use their own imaginations for but the bottom line is first nations don't get a veto they have

01:33:34.160 the same rights as everybody else and if their relationship with alberta or canada is going to

01:33:38.520 change they're the ones who decide whether it changes and how you know i'd love to live in so

01:33:42.940 much information i'd love to live in a country where people are all treated equally under the

01:33:49.140 law uh no matter what the color of their skin or their heritage is you're because an albertan

01:33:55.480 is an albertan is an albertan how about that you're channeling martin luther king there for

01:34:01.580 a second right you know people judge for the character not by the color of their skin yeah

01:34:06.040 no the this woke stuff and everything by identity is just so out of control and you know um an

01:34:13.800 independent alberta will uh our our legislature lawmakers will be the ones decide our criminal

01:34:20.780 code and they'll be the ones who decide whether or not uh you're allowed to keep your guns right

01:34:26.960 have you guys sat down and talked about what style of government that you would be interested

01:34:33.580 in having i mean like right now this whole constitutional monarchy to me makes absolutely

01:34:37.960 zero sense there's so many holes in it yet shadow but in all the different meetings i've been in in

01:34:44.060 the discussions i've seen it the the consensus seems to be moving towards a republic we don't

01:34:50.320 need a crown we don't need to be the commonwealth uh a republic uh where the focus is on the people

01:34:56.480 and the electorate and the voters.

01:35:00.900 And, you know, our capital city will be within a distance

01:35:08.080 that's not so far away like Ottawa is.

01:35:13.160 And, you know, the other thing I've said is when I reflect,

01:35:17.800 I think Canada is too big.

01:35:19.800 And what I mean by that is, you know, we're the second largest country

01:35:23.600 in the world by landmass. And we have these unique cultures. Quebec's got a unique culture,

01:35:29.860 but Alberta has a unique culture. British Columbia is a different culture than Alberta.

01:35:33.340 And Manitoba has a different culture than Saskatchewan. And Ontario has a different

01:35:37.540 culture than Newfoundland, right? And I don't think we're at an optimal level of governmental

01:35:44.420 organization and structure. And for Alberta, for certain, and Saskatchewan as well,

01:35:50.840 uh given our wealth of resources our proximity to markets uh i think we're just done with this

01:36:00.420 this and it's so weird like these mous and these agreements that are being announced

01:36:04.460 um imagine you're the federal government and i'm the province and see that door behind me

01:36:11.640 imagine the door is closed and the door opens pulling it towards us okay and opening the door

01:36:18.640 is freeing Alberta to sell its products

01:36:23.340 and its resources to the world.

01:36:25.720 So you and I are negotiating,

01:36:27.700 you're leaning against the door so it can't open.

01:36:30.560 And you're saying, well, let's negotiate an MOU

01:36:33.120 so we can get over this blockage. 0.99

01:36:36.420 And I'm like, dude, open the fucking door, right? 0.99

01:36:42.240 Like, are you kidding me? 0.99

01:36:44.280 This MOU is to get around the tanker band.

01:36:48.640 Well, who imposed the tanker ban?

01:36:51.300 You did.

01:36:52.900 This MOU is to get around.

01:36:55.260 Just let me finish my rant.

01:36:57.160 This MOU is to get around Bill C-69.

01:37:00.700 Well, who put that in?

01:37:02.260 You guys in Ottawa.

01:37:04.020 This MOU is to get around the methane emissions cap.

01:37:10.860 Well, why don't we just get the guy who put it in to take it off?

01:37:15.420 And by the way, that's you. 0.99

01:37:16.880 it's just stunning stupidity to me that we're entering to this comp complex like serious 0.99

01:37:24.040 negotiation to get around the blockages that the guy i'm negotiating with put in and won't lift 0.99

01:37:31.600 if prime minister carney wanted to unleash canada's economy wanted to free us from this

01:37:40.300 remarkable state of the lowest growth in GDP of the G20 or G7, whatever it is,

01:37:48.120 are terrible of business. This massive job losses we keep seeing, increasing inflation,

01:37:54.960 reckless out-of-control spending. All they ought to do is get rid of these stupid policies that 1.00

01:38:01.100 are holding us back. And instead, he gets all creative and funny language and um, um, um, um, 1.00

01:38:09.560 and I'm going to catalyze and we're getting into a trilateral facilitation of the catalyzation of

01:38:16.220 the impending agreement to travel to somewhere. It's just like, wow, man. It's just such a con,

01:38:23.520 man. You just said something very interesting, and that is that Canada's too big. And I agree

01:38:28.720 with you. Like Justin Trudeau said years ago, Canada is going to be the world's first post

01:38:33.620 nation state. I think it already was at that point. What is our national identity? If you

01:38:38.300 take away maple syrup polar bears in hockey right like what what do albertans have in common with 0.73

01:38:44.280 newfoundlanders like you were saying earlier um but there have been a lot of a lot of big

01:38:51.720 business owners oil and gas pipelines whatnot who have been waiting this mou that carney signed with

01:38:59.720 smith they've already missed their first couple of deadlines now and uh the ceo of enbridge his

01:39:06.580 name is greg ebel and he said look you know what we already got screwed i think it was northern

01:39:12.020 gateway they got screwed on what was the or trans mountain the one that trudeau bought

01:39:15.660 and then eventually northern gateway he just buried yeah and so they spent 600 million dollars

01:39:22.280 to get a no to get a yes and then a no yeah and so now he's he's he's saying look we're not going

01:39:28.580 to invest in any kind of pipeline at all until we have firm commitments on all levels of government

01:39:34.060 But here he is talking about it right now.

01:39:35.560 This is video from today.

01:39:36.700 Tied up in the MOU and discussions between the Alberta government and the federal government in Canada.

01:39:42.620 And when they come to a solution on emissions issues and industrial carbon tax, CO2 lines, that'll determine whether our producers, my customers, get the green light to produce.

01:39:54.840 If my customers get the green light to produce, Enbridge is the largest mover of oil in North America is going to be there.

01:40:00.780 So that's your condition, essentially.

01:40:02.340 Yeah, absolutely.

01:40:03.520 It's remained the same as you might be aware.

01:40:05.500 We spent $600 million trying to do this before and had the rug pulled out from under us.

01:40:10.280 I think the view has changed these days, but we'll have to see because my investors aren't going to make an investment on a hope and a prayer.

01:40:19.260 So let's break this down, though.

01:40:21.760 Okay.

01:40:22.640 So what's he talking about?

01:40:24.660 Well, when you build a pipeline, if you and I have a pipeline company, Shadow, how much oil do we have?

01:40:32.800 None.

01:40:33.080 How much oil will we ever have? None. If you and I start a moving van company,

01:40:43.300 how much furniture do we have? Zero. None. You're the transport vessel.

01:40:48.740 Exactly. They're a conduit. They're a transporter of a substance. So before they can invest,

01:40:57.380 they go around to oil companies when they did TMX and all the other pipelines. And they said,

01:41:02.120 hey, we're thinking about building this pipeline. Would you agree to a certain volume and let's

01:41:10.180 negotiate a rate, a toll, right? So they go around and then CNRL says, yeah, we'll do this volume.

01:41:17.440 And Imperial Oil says, we'll do this volume. And another company says, we'll do another volume.

01:41:23.420 And they keep secret their rates or whatever if they can. And then once they know they've got a

01:41:28.680 level of commitment they'll go ahead and build so Enbridge presumably and I don't have inside

01:41:34.040 information I'm just translating what you heard there and which is obvious with anybody have a

01:41:39.100 basic understanding of this industry in our economy so Enbridge will go to the different

01:41:43.700 producers and say hey if we put this pipeline in you know Suncor or CNRL guys up in in Fort

01:41:51.480 McMurray and in the other fields that are very active right now in increasing their production

01:41:56.140 or have the capability of significantly increasing it,

01:41:59.900 will you increase your production and buy an allocation in our pipeline?

01:42:05.600 And they say, well, we don't know.

01:42:07.600 And Enbridge says, well, why not?

01:42:09.100 And they say, well, we don't know if it's going to be profitable

01:42:11.400 to pull, to lift the oil out of the ground

01:42:14.800 because they're negotiating a new carbon tax, an industrial carbon tax,

01:42:19.660 and they're negotiating emissions reductions

01:42:22.860 and the pathway project, which is carbon sequestration,

01:42:26.140 And if that ends up costing $10 or $15 or $30 a barrel, and we assume $60 market price, we don't make any money. We're upside down. So until we know whether or not we can make a profit, we're not going to commit to production, and we don't have a discussion to have with you about your pipeline.

01:42:46.680 So Carney knows this.

01:42:48.760 Absolutely.

01:42:49.480 Remember, his book of values, he believes that humans are an existential crisis.

01:42:57.300 He's an eco-nut along with his cabinet and his caucus from Quebec.

01:43:03.380 They're lefties.

01:43:04.500 Look at Gebo.

01:43:05.500 He's not in cabinet, but he's still there.

01:43:07.600 And their mindset is still there.

01:43:10.680 But Carney's worse than that and more dangerous because he believes,

01:43:14.560 when you look at the book of values and his conduct in his career that he has figured out

01:43:19.580 how to show the rest of the world how to do this how to how to still produce energy how to shift

01:43:25.880 to renewables net zero and he's using alberta and canada as the guinea pig and albertans are tired

01:43:33.880 of it it's obvious folly it's dangerous we've seen the economic decline we're seeing the social

01:43:40.260 decline following the economic decline the the homelessness the loss of hope that's causing

01:43:46.340 people to stick needles and retreat into fentanyl for comfort and everything else that's going around

01:43:53.220 us the affordability crisis inflation don't worry we've got made we we don't and well and then that

01:44:01.400 right you know and and and all the organ donation profiteering that's becoming disturbing and the

01:44:08.120 whole concept of made and its abuse is troubling beyond scale so um carney's not done his whole

01:44:16.280 that whatever that acronym was for the glasgow accord with all the banks as gas or gaza whatever

01:44:22.740 it was called g fans who was called g fans okay so and that's all collapsed so now he comes up

01:44:31.860 with this new phrased um decarbonized oil and by the way shadow i'm looking for a business partner

01:44:40.560 i got this new product it's freaking spectacular it's called dewaterized water okay and like

01:44:48.580 like you can't see my glass but maybe you can so this is nothing in it right here see this part

01:44:56.000 above this is the dewaterized water it's amazing like you can put it on you and you don't even get 0.98

01:45:02.500 wet i'm just like i cannot believe people are this stupid to think that there's a thing called 0.99

01:45:08.060 decarbonized oil so um again i'm repeating myself albertans are tired of suffering fools 0.98

01:45:15.840 we really are we don't need them we're net contributors uh as high as 40 people go

01:45:23.740 well if if you leave i love this one if you guys leave you know you're not going to get transfers

01:45:29.740 for like health care and transportation and stuff and we're like oh my god we net pay more to ottawa

01:45:38.060 than ottawa sends back to us at scale including anywhere from 30 to 47 billion dollars so if we

01:45:48.740 paid the same amount of taxes and had ottawa out of our lives the alberta government will have

01:45:54.960 30 to 40 potentially 50 billion dollars or more to deal with oh what was that again a passport

01:46:02.600 office border guards you know what i mean like come on we got this and not only that we will

01:46:10.340 you know people oh you're going to be landlocked oh guess what we're we're landlocked policy wise

01:46:17.340 we're landlocked policy-wise because the federal government has imposed a tanker ban

01:46:23.320 on one coast but not the other on one country but not americans when you uh become a country

01:46:30.760 there is an international law that states if you're a land you know that's overstated a lot

01:46:36.440 of people talk about that it's not that strong there is a principle but it's not it's mushy

01:46:42.040 but what here's what but here's what is true and is certain and is strong is under our constitution

01:46:49.660 and how canada formed mcdonald's national policy 1870s build a railway across the country

01:46:57.640 so in 1867 when we built our first constitution called the british north america act still on the

01:47:05.820 books just renamed the constitution act um the conscious decision was made that no one province

01:47:13.720 would be able to constrain the trade movement tradements of another province and the federal

01:47:18.620 government would have exclusive jurisdiction over rail interprovincial railways interprovincial

01:47:24.620 highways and and pipelines so the so when we had the situation under trudeau and we had the tmx

01:47:32.620 pipeline the trans mountain that goes from edmonton to vancouver to the to burnaby to be

01:47:37.800 specific and supplies raw product oil to the burnaby refinery that they convert into gasoline

01:47:45.660 and jet fuel and diesel for the lower mainland um the province of british columbia tried to stop that

01:47:53.020 but because it was approved by the federal government they couldn't and the courts all

01:47:57.060 agreed that the federal government has exclusive jurisdiction so right now the federal government

01:48:02.120 has exclusive jurisdiction to approve a pipeline from Alberta to Tidewater, to Prince Rupert

01:48:07.340 or Kitimat or whatever, right?

01:48:09.220 Well, what does Carney do?

01:48:11.920 Simultaneously with entering into the MOU that the premier of Alberta entered into in good

01:48:16.700 faith, he announced outside of the agreement that he was giving a veto to the prime minister

01:48:25.780 or sorry, to the premier, the premier, Premier Eby of British Columbia and a veto to the

01:48:30.280 First Nations, who simultaneously announced they're going to veto it. So Carney's playing

01:48:36.200 this game, man. And actually, he can't even, that's an unconstitutional thing. There's this

01:48:42.560 thing called fettering discretion or improper subdelegation, if anybody wants to research

01:48:46.260 principles of administrative law. And it says the person who's clothed with the power to decide

01:48:50.740 must decide. So Carney can't even do that. And I mean, great, we get a chance to sue, but that's

01:48:57.660 not going to solve anything so we have a situation where our confederation was built on a principle

01:49:04.280 whereby if alberta needed to get its goods to tidewater and the province or first nations

01:49:10.300 wanted to stop it the federal government had the ability to impose it okay to make it happen to

01:49:16.020 approve it just like we did with tmx but then along comes carny and says no no i'm going to

01:49:21.240 ignore the constitution and i'm going to give a veto to to to british columbia and the first

01:49:28.240 nations now stop people say well okay wilson and all you separatists and then they call us all

01:49:34.800 kinds of names they say how are you going to get your oil to tidewater when you're independent

01:49:39.900 you're going to be landlocked and i'm going to say sorry did you sorry i didn't hear you said

01:49:43.400 british columbia is going to be landlocked oh yeah they are that's right good point where am

01:49:48.080 going with this totally seriousness uh eight l the british columbia um eight billion dollars

01:49:57.180 worth of goods leave british columbia easterly and travel across our roads and rail lines

01:50:02.560 including as i mentioned earlier uh intermodal um uh containers but also mining products

01:50:11.880 forestry products pulp and paper lumber agricultural products wine right and they all

01:50:22.160 have to come through alberta and when alberta is an independent country we can at end all of the

01:50:32.200 fuel most of the fuel it's not quite all but most of it in the lower mainland comes from a pipe

01:50:37.800 where the valve is a few kilometers

01:50:41.940 from where I'm sitting right now, a valve.

01:50:45.960 So you could just turn them all-

01:50:47.640 Tighty, tighty, lefty, loosey, right?

01:50:49.480 So we can say to British Columbia,

01:50:51.260 and I hope it would never come to this,

01:50:52.500 say, look, we want to allow the free flow

01:50:54.940 of your goods through Alberta,

01:50:56.280 the new country of Alberta.

01:50:58.140 And we want to continue to supply you

01:51:00.720 with critical energy to your Bruna V refinery

01:51:04.300 because we are well aware that

01:51:05.960 if this pipeline goes down for maintenance, the twin pipeline now, that you will be out of fuel

01:51:13.580 in five to 10 days. We don't want that to happen. So can we have a mature, fair, honest adult

01:51:21.580 discussion about how your goods can freely move across our country and our goods can move through

01:51:29.300 your province, including us continuing to supply you with energy. And if they tell us to go F

01:51:36.320 ourselves, like really? Okay, sure. So in other words, we would have shadow something we don't

01:51:44.280 have today, which is a negotiating position. We'd have leverage. We don't have any leverage today

01:51:50.060 because the constitution assigns all that leverage to the federal government in Ottawa

01:51:53.960 and Kearney and Trudeau before him have an ideological agenda. They're extremists. They

01:52:00.080 don't care what sacrifice we all make for the great green gods and they don't care what future

01:52:05.980 they rob of our children and our grandchildren. They're hell-bent on doing it and they've

01:52:11.000 landlocked Alberta from a policy perspective. So it's another measure by which independence

01:52:17.720 makes tremendous sense. Keith, are you a mind reader? And the reason I ask you that is because

01:52:23.000 i was just about to say they're ideologues they don't do what's best for the people of the country

01:52:28.480 or david eby in david eby's case i believe he's even further than that i think he's an antifa

01:52:33.240 he used to be an activist yes oh yeah research that guy's history yeah it's remarkable that

01:52:39.580 he's in the position he's in he's a radical activist yeah so he searches history he he is

01:52:45.320 he is not a friend to the people of british columbia and he will not make a logical decision

01:52:50.760 because his ideology gets in the way,

01:52:52.680 like you say about Carney and Trudeau and Gilbo

01:52:56.180 and now Julie DeBruson, who, by the way,

01:52:58.900 she's our new environment and climate change minister

01:53:01.280 who was wearing a mask in the House of Commons

01:53:03.480 just yesterday.

01:53:05.260 A mask.

01:53:06.440 I thought it was an old clip at first,

01:53:08.020 and then I realized it wasn't.

01:53:09.760 I know.

01:53:10.260 But let's just pause on what you just raised.

01:53:12.560 Sure.

01:53:13.220 I listened to an interview the other day.

01:53:16.020 I can't remember where it was.

01:53:16.960 It doesn't matter.

01:53:17.900 But this person was explaining what an ideologue is.

01:53:20.760 and it's where the value and the principle

01:53:25.020 and the ideology are paramount.

01:53:28.180 And I think that's where you were going.

01:53:29.520 They're paramount over everything.

01:53:31.680 They're paramount over,

01:53:32.900 it doesn't matter how many lives are ruined,

01:53:36.080 how many opportunities are passed by.

01:53:38.920 The ideology is at the top of the pyramid.

01:53:42.520 And that's what we've got.

01:53:43.080 It's the only thing.

01:53:43.520 But you know what else we have, though?

01:53:45.060 Now, let me throw this at you.

01:53:46.160 I came up with this one,

01:53:47.120 I had this epiphany the other day.

01:53:48.720 we've all met in our lives and let's think back to when you were in your late 20s and

01:53:55.000 mid 30s okay and we all had that friend or we knew of that guy who lived this crazy reckless life

01:54:04.920 because daddy was a multi-millionaire right and but what did daddy being a multi-millionaire do

01:54:15.300 to the decision-making of that reckless guy

01:54:18.860 that we knew about.

01:54:20.340 It insulated him from the consequences

01:54:22.960 of his decisions and actions. 0.52

01:54:25.220 And what Alberta's been doing

01:54:27.060 by transferring this huge amount of wealth,

01:54:31.140 this tremendous amount of revenue

01:54:34.160 through our hard work as taxpayers

01:54:36.780 to Ottawa is we've been that dad.

01:54:41.580 We've allowed the ideologues in Ottawa

01:54:45.260 to be immune from the consequences of their recklessness

01:54:49.860 because we keep sending them the money

01:54:52.820 and they don't have to live with the reality.

01:54:56.540 We're desensitizing to them.

01:54:58.580 We're creating, we're breaking the feedback loop.

01:55:01.500 So you've heard others like Professor Bruce Party say,

01:55:05.020 the best thing to save Canada,

01:55:08.280 as a Canadian, he is living in Ontario,

01:55:13.300 is for Alberta to separate.

01:55:15.260 Because it will be this wake-up call, and it'll stop this ideological lunacy, because rather than deciding whether or not they're going to send $40 million to Vietnam for LGBTQ sensitivity training for peasant rice farmers, they'll say, boy, New Brunswick needs a new hospital.

01:55:45.260 maybe we're gonna have to find that you know the other thing that i think will happen too

01:55:49.700 and let me this is really important and i hope you're okay with me pausing absolutely absolutely

01:55:54.340 is alberta's not like leaving leaving we're not bringing in jack hanners and like a big house

01:56:00.720 mover and we're gonna like float out into the ocean right up the borderline like be like a 0.78

01:56:06.480 venice we're still gonna be here and we are going to be the richest country in the world 0.99

01:56:13.180 and we're going to care about our roots and our heritage and rather than have ottawa engage in

01:56:20.680 recklessness the alberta government will have a foreign aid program and our priority will be

01:56:27.120 other canadians and if some group comes out of new brunswick and says we really need help for

01:56:33.600 our hospital and another group comes out and says no no we want to paint rainbow sidewalks

01:56:40.060 we'll say, we'll help you with your hospital. Every time. And the ideologue, as you pointed

01:56:46.520 out just a couple of minutes ago, will never change his or her mind based upon anything

01:56:51.480 other than the ideology. And that's something that maybe if we can get that to the middle,

01:56:57.480 the soft middle third of Albertans who are kind of wishy-washy about all of this,

01:57:02.260 and we could pull it over the top. And when the referendum comes around in October,

01:57:07.620 we can go ahead and win that thing people need to understand that this leopard is not going to

01:57:13.260 change his spots no matter what happens he can sign all the mous in the world another one today

01:57:18.640 there's going to be apparently at some point an expansion of the lng plant and kitamat doubling

01:57:24.360 in size but it's only an mlu it's never going to provide it provided that the producers who are

01:57:32.000 going to drill the wells to produce you know i don't even looked at the details of this but i

01:57:35.700 can just show you the math, provided that the oil companies and gas companies that would

01:57:40.620 drill the wells to produce the natural gas are going to agree to pay the carbon tax on

01:57:45.480 it and are going to agree to the emissions reductions and the caps, which they're going

01:57:51.480 to look and go, okay, well, what's the price of a cubic meter of natural gas?

01:57:57.700 And how much do we got to send to Ottawa for this carbon tax?

01:58:00.900 And what is the cost of achieving this emissions reduction target that no one else does in

01:58:05.460 the world um and what is the cost of and we've got to move to net zero because they didn't get

01:58:11.760 rid of net zero they just kicked it forward by 10 years it's an impossible achievement there's

01:58:16.580 not enough copper there's not enough transformers there's not enough wires there's not enough

01:58:20.800 generators there's not enough steel that you know to make all of this equipment to convert everything

01:58:26.300 that runs off of uh oil and gas to electricity uh and then they're just going to say well we can't

01:58:32.740 You can't drill those wells because there'll be no economics in it, so you're not going to have the gas.

01:58:38.220 Meanwhile, Carney can say he's announced these things, but no one's life will get better.

01:58:43.440 The deficit will increase.

01:58:45.160 The cost of living will go up.

01:58:47.600 Despair will increase, and Canada will continue to deteriorate.

01:58:52.580 The Canada that our forefathers fought for does not exist.

01:58:56.720 Alberta is in position to recreate that Canada and those values, and we're going to do it.

01:59:02.740 Because failure is a nightmare.

01:59:08.380 It's increasing dystopia reality.

01:59:13.100 And, you know, one of the things I had a discussion with someone important today,

01:59:18.280 and they were talking about the uncertainty and the fear of failing on independence.

01:59:28.360 And I said, yeah, that used to scare me.

01:59:31.560 I said, but it doesn't scare me anymore. And I said, what do you mean? I said, you know what

01:59:35.920 scares the hell out of me is us not achieving it. And this incredible decline, this loss of rights,

01:59:45.260 this slip into authoritarianism, the censorship that's coming, the reckless out of control

01:59:51.780 spending, the cost of living spiking, uh, and that robbing my kids and my grandkids of their future.

01:59:59.400 that scares me the most so that's why uh we're gonna do this it's do or die baby um have you

02:00:06.460 been given the playbook for this debate versus jason kenny yet or are you waiting for that one

02:00:12.360 it's not until may i suppose yeah there's uh there's i i did the for the first one when i

02:00:18.080 was asked i wasn't sure if it was a setup so i said um a setup you mean that it's going to be

02:00:26.420 filled with federalist crowd these no like they skew the questions and the rules so that it would

02:00:33.700 be totally biased so i said well i want to see the rules and i said um um i said it's got to be

02:00:43.060 a twin cost start a toy coin toss start because who do you think from you know from my vantage

02:00:51.500 point as as as a as a litigator if i could choose to go first or second what do you think i'd pick

02:00:58.500 for optimal strength well i would always go second yeah that's for sure 100 you got to see

02:01:06.600 what the other guy's doing yeah you get it's it's like uh it's like that farm kid with the 22 and the

02:01:12.240 pop cans on the fence posts yeah and so you but you can do that to knock out his argument and

02:01:19.780 amplify your own so you can kill two birds with one stone right so you always want it and and

02:01:25.120 and they got it then they're setting the tone and you can reset so but i suspect what's going to

02:01:31.300 happen so so jason kenny premier kenny uh former premier kenny uh former federal minister of many

02:01:38.440 things including immigration um i sat with him interestingly years ago when he was minister of

02:01:45.240 immigration when civitas conference was in vancouver this is the group that's doing the

02:01:49.340 first debate so i'm familiar with the dynamics of that group but um anyway i actually just lost my

02:01:57.360 point it's been a long day i forget where i was going with this but it's the minister of immigration

02:02:01.820 you sat with him a couple of years ago so now he works for a very large international law firm

02:02:07.820 called bennett jones so i'm pretty sure either right now or at some point in the future there's

02:02:15.820 going to be these junior lawyers at bennett jones that are going to be watching this program they're

02:02:20.960 probably going to spit their coffee out right now they're going oh my god how did he know and they're

02:02:25.600 going to they're going to summarize and do briefing notes and he was on shadow davis at this time

02:02:30.300 and he said these are all of his arguments and points and then he was on this and then he was

02:02:34.080 on shadow again and he said this and back when it and then they're going to throw that into ai

02:02:38.160 and they're going to develop all of this stuff about what my key attack vectors are where they're

02:02:44.620 most vulnerable and then he's going to get this big briefing binder and uh and then i'm gonna i

02:02:51.660 was actually going to make it a rule propose a rule and they may do it i don't know that um

02:02:58.920 The only thing that we get is a podium, a glass of water, a pen, and a blank pad.

02:03:08.900 Yeah.

02:03:09.220 That's good.

02:03:10.260 That's all you need.

02:03:11.560 Years ago, and Tamara Leach has repeated this, me sharing this little vignette from my past at many times of difficulty in her Freedom Convoy journey and her lawfare journey as the others.

02:03:27.640 and if any of them are watching right now they all know the story i'm about to tell

02:03:31.500 which is many years ago i represented large families uh settler families up in the peace

02:03:38.720 river country of our province that were just going through a very difficult time there was

02:03:42.160 a rogue oil company and it was open venting toxic gases and the people were all getting sick

02:03:47.520 and uh the government held a public inquiry it's the first time the government ever held

02:03:52.320 a public inquiry into the health impacts of oil and gas on humans and i was the only lawyer that

02:03:57.300 was willing to take them on uh and i did and we were having a big briefing session there was

02:04:03.700 lawyers all over the place in this big hearing room and the the day before the night before

02:04:10.040 i'm briefing all of these family members multi-generational and one of them said to me

02:04:15.640 said mr wilson he said whenever we go to the meetings with the oil companies he's strong

02:04:20.640 french accent french canadian he said the oil companies he said the oil company men he said

02:04:27.280 they always have binders, lots of big binders.

02:04:29.960 I said, uh-huh.

02:04:31.240 He said, when you're telling the truth,

02:04:32.920 you don't need a binder.

02:04:36.500 It just flashes of Aaron Brockovich in my head there.

02:04:39.780 How do you think Bruce Hardy did against Kenny

02:04:42.720 a couple of weeks ago?

02:04:43.740 Did you see that one?

02:04:45.080 I've only saw clips of it.

02:04:46.440 I'm, of course, going to watch it.

02:04:49.240 I don't think Jason took it as seriously

02:04:55.200 as he probably should have.

02:04:57.280 He didn't seem so prepared for that.

02:04:59.700 Yeah, so I think he's going to be very differently prepared for this.

02:05:02.720 And this is in person, and it's going to be in front of an audience.

02:05:07.400 So it's going to be a completely different dynamic.

02:05:09.920 The first one's going to be more interesting because it's more intimate.

02:05:12.400 You know, it's not the public just can't be there.

02:05:14.640 Whereas the second debate will be wide open, and anybody can buy a ticket and attend.

02:05:20.980 So, but how did we start this program?

02:05:24.600 you brought up the debate and i said to you and i think you were understandably a little shocked

02:05:31.760 maybe a little taken back bemused when i said my goal is to convince him by the end of the debate

02:05:37.420 to vote yes for separation independence but you can now see why i have that conviction i think

02:05:43.200 uh well i the first time you and i sat down and talked about this particular topic

02:05:48.720 like, oh, I'm going to say it was maybe nine, ten months ago, even a year,

02:05:54.080 and your conviction came through in that conversation.

02:05:57.540 Now it's even more cemented because, I guess,

02:06:01.020 of all the work that you've been doing since then until now

02:06:04.780 and all of the people that you've talked to

02:06:07.120 and all of the hearts and minds out there that you guys are awakening now.

02:06:12.320 I mean, as you pointed out, there's still a lot of people yet to be awakened,

02:06:15.720 and those are the ones who are going to decide

02:06:17.740 the ultimate fate of Alberta, correct?

02:06:20.340 Yes, and the country.

02:06:23.140 Keith, it's always a pleasure to have you on, man.

02:06:25.460 And anytime you've got some news to share with us

02:06:28.080 or just want to come on and tell us some stories,

02:06:29.680 we'd love to have you back.

02:06:31.880 Well, you're a great interviewer.

02:06:34.540 Not everybody can do it.

02:06:37.320 You do it better than anybody I know,

02:06:39.220 so I'm always happy when you're willing to have me come on.

02:06:42.340 All right, thank you, Keith.

02:06:43.340 We'll talk to you again soon.

02:06:44.220 Have a great night.

02:06:44.800 i know it's been a long day you bet bye for now that is keith wilson

02:06:50.720 wow what a great conversation and it went a little bit longer guys that i thought it was

02:06:58.220 going to go tonight i do have a couple of stories here that i could get to blow through um but now

02:07:04.820 i'm not because we'd be here for another hour so on that note i want you to have a fantastic night

02:07:13.340 have a great sleep tonight have a great day tomorrow and night hawks over on the website

02:07:18.820 shadow davis.com and by the way if you'd like to become an all access member over there at the

02:07:22.960 website i'd love to have you get the show every weeknight at eight o'clock central and you get a

02:07:29.280 great group of people in the telegram group the shadow at night community i'd love to have you

02:07:33.140 go over there and join those uh those folks as well don't forget guys we've got the montauk

02:07:38.820 project movie to watch tomorrow night friday night view and get some popcorn and some wine or

02:07:44.460 pop or whatever it is you want to watch if we're going to sit down and watch a movie tomorrow night

02:07:48.300 of course we'll cover the news of the day as well it just won't be as extensive as usual

02:07:53.700 for everybody i love you all i appreciate you all and i will talk to you again soon

02:07:59.760 have a great night bye for now

02:08:08.820 guitar solo

02:08:38.820 We'll be right back.

02:09:08.820 We'll be right back.

The Shadoe Davis Show - March 27, 2026

March 26th⧸2026- w⧸ Attorney Keith Wilson Discussing Alberta Sovereignty!

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