The Shadoe Davis Show - January 26, 2024


Marco Van Huigenbos & Betty Carbert PLUS Liberals demand Poilievre address Tucker Carlson event?


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00:02:30.000 and welcome to shadow at night
00:03:00.000 This is Thursday, January the 25th, 2024.
00:03:04.780 On the show tonight, Marco Van Hugenbos,
00:03:07.440 who is one of the guys charged with mischief during the Coutts blockade.
00:03:13.140 And you've heard the name Chris Carbert before.
00:03:15.400 Chris is one of the Coutts four.
00:03:17.820 His mom, Betty, is going to join the show tonight as well.
00:03:21.540 Also, something interesting came out of the liberal camp today.
00:03:25.920 And I thought it was...
00:03:30.000 These people just don't understand the concept of liberty, freedom, democratic society.
00:03:39.360 They just don't seem to get it.
00:03:42.660 And they proved it again today.
00:03:45.640 And we're going to show you some video of four Trudeau cabinet ministers bitching and moaning about Tucker Carlson's appearances in Alberta yesterday.
00:03:54.900 and how he is bringing extreme right-wing politics to Canada.
00:04:02.420 And they're very adamant about it, too.
00:04:04.920 They are very, very concerned that Canada is going to turn into a cesspool
00:04:09.020 of right-wing extremism and hate.
00:04:12.960 And you know that there is no place for hate here.
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00:05:52.000 going to have a few more viewers tonight than we normally do which is fantastic i'm always willing
00:05:58.160 to welcome anybody who wants to watch this show because of course as you hear me say every single
00:06:02.960 night we need to get this out to as many people as we possibly can so hello dan how are you doing
00:06:08.080 tonight watching on Facebook. Will Amine is watching in Ontario. Vicky, hello. Hello, Greg
00:06:13.200 in my old stomping grounds of Kingston, Ontario. Justin Skeffer is here tonight. Brian is watching
00:06:19.360 from Delburn, Alberta. Derek is in Kamloops. Bren is watching in Cambridge, Ontario. Kevin,
00:06:26.280 hello. How are you doing tonight? Gail is watching tonight as well from Lockport, Manitoba. Barb,
00:06:31.020 janet don sharon it's nice to see audiences come together like this it's really cool i i can't tell
00:06:40.860 you how thrilled i am when that happens if you're watching on rumble tonight hello to leo mouth of
00:06:47.260 the south and bent wrenching and braveheart is watching tonight rico suaves smitty kids amnesty
00:06:53.460 is watching who else have we got patricia david rjh uh horse mama potion 13 is watching tonight
00:07:01.600 david lametti quit today by the way as an mp he's the former minister of justice and attorney
00:07:06.720 general of canada he quit today he resigned his position as an mp today and quickly erased
00:07:12.920 his twitter account his x account is now gone and viva fry was going on and on and on about that
00:07:20.940 today which i found rather funny so if you want to see more on that go check out viva fry on
00:07:28.620 youtube okay so before we begin guys get this out there get this out to as many people as you
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00:08:11.980 you think would benefit from hearing this information get it in there please let's get
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00:09:15.580 We are streaming there live tonight for the very first time.
00:09:20.200 The second piece of information is not good news.
00:09:24.660 I received a phone call last night from a friend of mine during the show as we were talking with Tom Marazzo.
00:09:33.340 and the news was you guys all know mike foijakis mike has been a regular on this show for the past
00:09:44.260 couple of years and he has his own show now on wednesday night called ask the funeral director
00:09:49.360 on the Ask the Funeral Director Facebook page.
00:09:57.480 We used to go down to a restaurant here in Winnipeg
00:10:04.700 on Portage Avenue quite often called the Cork and Flame.
00:10:07.120 This restaurant was owned by Mike's younger brother,
00:10:11.740 Kyriakos.
00:10:12.460 and
00:10:14.860 the news I got last night while I was on the air
00:10:22.020 thank goodness I didn't actually get the news as I was on the air
00:10:25.820 I got it right after the show ended
00:10:28.300 is that Cariacus was murdered
00:10:32.180 last night in the parking lot of his restaurant
00:10:35.920 which is an incredible shock
00:10:38.680 karyakis was a great guy a great host always had a smile for everybody 51 years old
00:10:48.900 um we don't exactly know what happened the left-wing corporate media locally here has been
00:10:58.040 terrible at trying to get any kind of news on this whatsoever the police have not released
00:11:04.540 much information so all i can tell you was that it looked like he was attacked and hit
00:11:12.340 and he didn't die immediately he
00:11:17.240 anyway karyakos rest in peace my friend and my thoughts and my heart is with
00:11:26.820 the boy jack is family right now in their time of grief and mourning
00:11:30.840 okay so um before we get to uh marco and betty we're going to bring those guys on in a couple
00:11:39.140 of minutes those guys well one guy one woman i want to show you guys some video of the liberal
00:11:44.820 cabinet ministers i was talking about just as we came on tonight this is video from today
00:11:51.540 we've got uh what's his name here pablo rodriguez this is melanie jolie she's the house leader and
00:12:02.820 this is randy boissonette who's an mp from edmonton in regards to uh tucker carlson
00:12:10.180 appearance in alberta yesterday watch what they have to say
00:12:14.940 Oh, and one more thing.
00:12:25.000 Here's the screwball, Stephen Gilbo, the environment minister, in the corner there with the blue sweater.
00:12:32.040 He wants to be prime minister of this country.
00:12:35.600 Please, what happened last night is not acceptable.
00:12:38.180 Is he going to come to mind?
00:12:39.800 If you want to run for prime minister, he should.
00:12:41.820 Okay, so he's talking about Tucker Carlson's appearances in Alberta yesterday.
00:12:51.220 Did you hear what he had to say about it?
00:12:53.140 Unacceptable.
00:12:54.420 Let's play it again.
00:12:57.300 He wants to be prime minister of this country.
00:13:01.280 What happened last night is not acceptable.
00:13:03.740 Is he going to condemn?
00:13:05.400 If he wants to run for prime minister, he should have the courage to condemn those.
00:13:10.760 it's not acceptable I mean what do you make of the fact that there is an audience for it
00:13:17.680 and for for their perspective as I said in French the extreme right politics
00:13:23.660 well don't ask the question if it's coming to Canada it's already here and they bring it
00:13:28.300 what he is saying then is that other opinions different from their own are unacceptable it
00:13:39.480 seems to me these liberals and i use that in quotation marks only because it's the name of
00:13:44.800 their party they're not really liberals at all in the truest sense of the word a liberal is somebody
00:13:49.440 who listens to all sides of any story before they make up their minds these people are neo-marxists
00:13:57.760 they are far far left ideologues they're cult members and they have no tolerance for anybody
00:14:08.860 else's opinion but their own that's what they're saying here and they're challenging pierre poly
00:14:14.940 have to come out and comment on tucker carlson's appearances in alberta yesterday what i recommended
00:14:22.400 to pierre poly of today on x and i'm sure he didn't see what i had to say because i've got
00:14:26.520 a rather small following of just over 10 000 people on x but if he did i hope he uses it and
00:14:33.780 all he has to say is is one sentence and that is yeah i believe in freedom of speech
00:14:40.120 that's pretty much it he has not yet responded we went through pierre's x account today
00:14:48.080 what he did put up though was this which i thought was kind of amusing trudeau did a gq
00:14:53.640 photo shoot an interview with the toronto star to explain that canadians don't like him because
00:14:59.260 they're grumpy at the world so if you're frustrated he doubled your red hike taxes and turned your
00:15:09.860 neighborhood into a crime zone be more grateful and there's the quote right there i think there's
00:15:16.380 a lot of people who are just rightly grumpy at the world right now not me heaven forbid it could
00:15:24.740 be me i'm not to blame i'm just kind of hanging out man wearing fancy socks and hoping the budget
00:15:33.040 balances itself marco van hugenboss is with us tonight with operation exposure marco how are
00:15:45.040 you doing thank you for coming on the show tonight we really appreciate you taking the
00:15:48.540 doing great shadow and thanks for uh thanks for bringing me on and obviously having betty join us
00:15:56.340 as well it's great to be on yeah and here she is uh this this is betty carbert hello betty thank
00:16:00.720 you for coming on tonight you know what i'm going to do i'm going to remove this this banner that
00:16:05.560 is blocking your name so everybody can see there you are betty carbert betty is uh is chris carbert's
00:16:11.500 mom chris is one of the coots four um so before we get to you betty i want to ask you marco there's
00:16:19.300 some people across the country because of the i i hate to say notoriety but it's true that the four
00:16:27.220 guys have gotten a lot of the press with stories that come out of alberta and rightfully so they've
00:16:33.240 been in lockup for two years almost two years now without trial which has got to be some kind
00:16:39.160 of a record and people are outraged all across the country but because of that because of those
00:16:44.840 guys getting so much of the attention your story really hasn't been told so much and the same with
00:16:51.440 with james celery for that matter we did have james on the show a few months back
00:16:54.920 so could you please tell us what happened in your situation
00:16:58.540 well i attended the the blockade i was there from the beginning to the end uh i played a
00:17:07.820 i played a role in um i would as as spokesperson among others we'll we'll let the courts determine
00:17:15.940 uh exactly what that what that pertains but i'm i'm alleged your charge is mischief right like
00:17:22.400 that's mischief over five yeah mischief over five thousand um they've proceeded with direct
00:17:27.280 indictment they're looking for five to ten years for being the alleged one of the alleged organizers
00:17:33.560 which is interesting because the blockade was as organic as it gets eventually there was maybe some
00:17:41.240 organization once it was established but it was a very very grassroots affair and there was very
00:17:49.500 little planning initially other than we're going to take highway four down to the border I think
00:17:54.460 that was probably where the plan ended but my trial starts April 2nd of this year actually so
00:18:03.080 So there's been some, until the story of the coups before really started to gain traction,
00:18:10.360 I was the four men, I would say a year, a year and some ago, we were charged six months later.
00:18:18.960 So in September of 2022, and that was then a big story at the time, especially in the local area, right?
00:18:25.360 Myself and the two co-accused, we were well known, and that was a big thing.
00:18:30.960 was it was like wow what are they doing right but um um that like i said i played a role and um
00:18:39.360 they're looking to make an example out of us um and uh that's pretty much it right we can get into
00:18:49.500 details so did did they single you out did they have any now i'm not sure how much of this you
00:18:56.220 can talk about so please bear with me on this and if you can't talk about it then go ahead
00:19:00.060 and say, I can't talk about it for the courts.
00:19:02.300 But did they single you out for any one thing
00:19:06.180 or is it just a bunch of different things
00:19:08.520 that they thought you were responsible for?
00:19:12.500 Well, the truth of the matter is
00:19:14.940 on something the last 18 days with that amount of people
00:19:19.080 and the way that the Coots blockade was structured
00:19:22.900 within the Milk River blockade
00:19:25.280 being 15 minutes further down the highway,
00:19:28.580 there was a lot of logistical challenges versus having a couple streets in a in a in an urban
00:19:35.440 setting correct right we had to deal with diesel and fuel coming from hours away things like that
00:19:40.380 so quite quickly there had to be some structure and there had to be some organization
00:19:45.580 and I'm a municipal politician to determine municipal politician so I understand how system
00:19:53.600 works i understand how the rcp operates i understand how i'm quite involved in the in the
00:19:59.280 provincial united conservative party so i understand i had a lot of connections there
00:20:02.820 and i understand how that works um and i'm a bit of a natural leader um good or bad sometimes but
00:20:10.360 i mean so very quickly um i was i was pushed to the front i'm going to say that i definitely
00:20:17.280 wasn't like oh pick me or do any of that but i mean there was leadership we're talking
00:20:23.300 farmers we're talking truckers uh i'm sorry have you got a coyote howling in the background behind
00:20:29.920 you it sounds like there's some kind of a wild howl going on there and it's a bit wild it's not
00:20:35.040 a coyote it's a rooster and it's it's outside the door but is it like is it loud but it's
00:20:41.240 i don't think i'm gonna be able to get through it right now it's a rooster what is that excuse
00:20:47.540 use the rooster i'm on i'm on an acreage here but um thank you it's exerting dominance over
00:20:55.100 an empty yard um oh boy i might have to shut it up um now that we're talking about it anyways
00:21:02.960 yeah so very quickly there there was definitely some some structure and organization to that and
00:21:08.660 a lot of that's public because i played a quite quite a public role um and then due to the
00:21:14.040 situation and circumstances uh certain individuals left and and my role my responsibilities
00:21:23.460 increased and it was pressed on me to ensure to some degree the success of the blockade
00:21:32.260 which was to to get the elected to represent us to communicate with us because that was not
00:21:39.840 happening anymore we we were let you know canadians had nobody to talk to our our mps or mlas were
00:21:47.340 under instruction possibly um told to to disengage because we were being run by health departments
00:21:54.460 and you know emergency management committees and things like that so there was a lot of frustration
00:21:59.700 so part of the the goals of the freedom convoy and the blockades were to get attention essentially
00:22:07.600 to demand that those who were elected to represent us,
00:22:11.580 and I spoke about this at the commission toward the end,
00:22:15.020 it says, you know, I said,
00:22:16.320 public trust cannot be regained until there's accountability
00:22:21.540 for those elected to represent us.
00:22:24.960 There's something critically wrong in our country
00:22:28.680 where every four years we have democracy,
00:22:32.260 where we get to decide who represents us.
00:22:34.300 But those days in between those four years,
00:22:36.460 these people disappear they disappear on us right and anyways we're we can we don't want to talk too
00:22:42.800 much about that but we can get into that a little bit later on i i just wanted to know you know
00:22:47.780 your involvement in all of this again because there's there's still a lot of people that don't
00:22:51.900 know um but you know my question is if you were involved in logistics and planning and all of
00:22:59.420 this you were obviously working in some way with the rcmp were you not yeah so i um i would say i
00:23:07.180 wasn't necessarily work working in logistics there was there would have been people that were
00:23:11.660 in charge of fuel food all of that would have been delegated things like that um according to
00:23:18.100 the disclosure i exclusively dealt with the ccmgs community conflict management group so that would
00:23:24.780 be the bronze level that reported the silver and the gold level based on what we now know in the
00:23:31.020 prosecutions for both the coups for and and my upcoming prosecution there's a there's a lot of
00:23:39.180 overlap there's a there's a lot of overlap right same events same days things like that so um
00:23:45.520 looking back at some of that we would have done it different but this wasn't something we trained
00:23:50.380 for right we this was something you had to learn on the fly kind of like what happened in ottawa
00:23:54.940 right they did bring in some lawyers we we had ezra levant brought down some lawyers to to to
00:24:00.620 give us advice and things like that but a lot of what we were doing was was a bit of a cat and mouse
00:24:07.100 game with the rcmp and i'll and it's some summarize it in in in this it was our fight was not with the
00:24:14.860 rcmp they were there they were in front of us they were the front line if you were to call it that
00:24:19.180 but our struggle was not with them so we didn't want to exert our position or or or what we were
00:24:27.020 looking to achieve to force their hand because there were times where they were they came in
00:24:31.820 and they were looking to move trucks and they let so we had to back up we had to open up a lane
00:24:35.660 so there was open close open close things like that but we had to have enough of a presence
00:24:41.580 so that Edmonton and Ottawa actually knew we were there.
00:24:45.460 And that was a very difficult balancing act
00:24:49.460 to make sure that we didn't force the hand of enforcement,
00:24:52.940 but actually make sure that legislators knew we were there.
00:24:58.340 And that was, we created an inconvenience
00:25:03.000 a kilometer away from the Coutts border services,
00:25:07.360 not even a kilometer.
00:25:08.700 I'll call it an inconvenience.
00:25:10.020 right betty that that makes sense it was an income it does yeah because so to be true
00:25:15.060 yeah go ahead the border was only shut down for 24 hours border services the americans
00:25:20.880 only shut it down for a certain amount of time and they told the canadians you guys got to figure 0.93
00:25:25.920 your shit out so that was the only time that a person could actually not walk up to the border 0.96
00:25:31.020 and cross sure there was restrict you know semis couldn't easily access border services but it was 1.00
00:25:38.460 still open if you got there you were able to cross so if you got there so let me ask you
00:25:44.300 were you guys removed from the area before the emergencies act was declared
00:25:50.660 no no so i've i'll lay out this so the fourth the morning of the 14th uh we're four hours behind
00:26:00.260 ottawa the morning of the 14th 14th we hear about the firearms we hear about all the allegations
00:26:07.920 We hear the story that the RCMP and mainstream media has thrown out there.
00:26:12.640 We are aware of the arrest and such because that operation happened in front of our eyes.
00:26:17.540 But we heard about the Emergencies Act being implemented.
00:26:22.920 And at that moment, we realized that our message and our goals were no longer achievable, that the message was lost.
00:26:30.720 The peaceful protest, all of that was gone.
00:26:33.700 It was a violent insurrection where we conspirators were looking to kill cops.
00:26:38.440 That was not the truth, but that was the message and that was the reality we were facing.
00:26:43.200 So we made a decision in the morning of the 14th.
00:26:45.860 We were in contact with RCMP.
00:26:48.100 We even were in contact with the DOJ in Ottawa as to how do we leave, things like that.
00:26:53.760 And we decided to leave.
00:26:56.460 But you don't just, we wanted to leave as if we were never there, right?
00:27:01.960 we're we're you know we wanted to take care of the community clean it up firewood all of that
00:27:07.400 and we needed people to come in to help you know there was a lot of equipment there there wasn't
00:27:12.200 enough drivers for all that equipment so we had to bring people in they were two hours away
00:27:16.200 so we we negotiated with the rcmp that we would immediately open up all lanes of the highway like
00:27:24.360 we would i mean we would take all equipment off off the international highway immediately
00:27:28.840 and that we would then stay the night and commence cleanup and roll out by 10
00:27:36.820 o'clock 10 a.m. February the 15th that was our plan and that is essentially what
00:27:45.160 happened they wanted tractors first tractors last all of the little details
00:27:48.600 that the RCMP got sticky about but he the the EMA so to clarify we were still
00:27:55.080 there but the EMA and the powers
00:27:57.200 of the EMA were not used
00:27:59.300 in coups
00:28:00.080 no authority in the
00:28:03.180 legislation no authority afforded
00:28:05.100 the government in the legislation of the act
00:28:06.960 was used in coups
00:28:08.900 it was justified
00:28:11.500 they
00:28:12.320 justified the EMA by
00:28:14.920 by you know the
00:28:16.880 conspiracy and all of that that's what they
00:28:18.860 utilized to implement the
00:28:20.980 act but they used the act
00:28:22.940 to 1.00
00:28:23.920 to take out bentons and old ladies with horses and not alone that's what happened
00:28:29.860 let me let me go to uh to betty here hello betty i'm sorry that we haven't had a chance to come to
00:28:36.400 you yet but here we are now you have been your your boy has been in lockup for two years now
00:28:43.420 um his name is chris for those that don't know can you please tell us how he's doing
00:28:49.960 first things first well actually he's doing um for the most part surprisingly well he has those
00:28:58.880 days when um he wonders if this is ever going to end but uh yeah he's dealing with it quite
00:29:06.960 quite well are you in constant like i want to say constant because that would be constant
00:29:12.740 are you in regular contact with him do you speak daily every second day how often does he have a
00:29:18.560 chance to use i call it constant contact he he does phone me at least two maybe three times a day
00:29:26.700 um what's it been like for you for the past two years living with all of these lies that have
00:29:37.280 been flying around and i suppose marco i could ask you the same question um you guys know what
00:29:42.720 happened uh you were there what has it been like hearing these lies about chris betty for
00:29:50.660 for all this time you know i i know i'm mom but because i'm mom i think i know him better than
00:29:58.540 anybody else and i know this isn't the person that they they they claim he is um he's a single dad
00:30:09.380 and his whole life revolved around grazing his son.
00:30:13.500 And you wouldn't have done anything to jeopardize that.
00:30:18.100 And yeah, it's been really rough two years in so many ways
00:30:22.180 because with him being in remand,
00:30:24.180 I can see him through glass, but there's no,
00:30:27.880 and we have to talk over a phone too.
00:30:31.360 And so there's no contact, no hugs,
00:30:34.440 no normal things that you would give someone who's suffering.
00:30:39.380 and it makes it very hard for for both of us and uh and then there's been a lot of things
00:30:46.720 happened in the last two years where you know chris hasn't been able to be a part of his
00:30:51.820 um his father and his brother passed away along with um a few other family members and
00:30:58.860 it i mean it was heartbreaking for him because he couldn't be involved in um like funerals or just
00:31:05.960 or just have someone hug him to give him some sympathy and loving and caring so yeah there's
00:31:12.800 many different areas and but mostly i think the hardest part is being watching him struggle being
00:31:18.200 separated from his kids was he able to ask for permission to get a six-hour pass to go out and
00:31:29.080 and go to a funeral at all is that even a possibility when you're in remand or is that
00:31:33.840 something that is reserved only for long-term inmates yeah no he wasn't allowed that as a
00:31:39.360 matter of fact if it wasn't for marco um he wouldn't have even uh been able to watch the
00:31:46.260 funeral on that they um put on a broadcasted from the funeral home and marco talked them
00:31:53.640 into letting him watch it in person and instead of a day later well there's so yeah so i i i
00:32:02.060 talk to chris daily uh you know i consider him a brother and i have a lot of brothers but
00:32:07.420 it's all marco hold on before you start let me let me ask you what your relationship with chris
00:32:15.180 is does it go before the coots uh thing or is it was it formed there and then i met him in coots
00:32:24.960 yeah and then when his first bail got denied i figured you know he's arrested he's going to go
00:32:29.960 for bail he's going to get bail granted and then and then bail started to get denied and i started
00:32:34.620 to get involved and i started to ask questions and things start started to things didn't line
00:32:39.000 up anymore but back to this this this this situation here and it's tomorrow a year
00:32:44.080 that when when did curtis pass away a year tomorrow his brother year tomorrow so tomorrow
00:32:51.460 the year that chris's brother passed passed away so we have remand remand is a temporary setting
00:33:00.500 for pre-trial sometimes 24 hours sometimes a week but it's never long term it's definitely
00:33:05.780 and it's definitely never 711 days so his brother passed away and we tried to arrange that he could
00:33:15.940 be there at the at the celebration that was shot down very quickly i says okay well they're they're
00:33:22.980 going to have they're going to set up a camera in the corner of the room so he can participate
00:33:28.900 behind the screen right so there was um betty's other son matt was part i believe was involved
00:33:38.420 now but i had i i was in contact with the remand and i said let's line this up and this and that
00:33:42.820 And Chris was trying to play his part. And then we got to hear that due to one of the staff members having a scheduling conflict, Chris was going to have, they were going to video, they were going to record it and he was going to have to watch the next day.
00:33:58.620 Well, if you know how the human mind works, knowing that you're watching real time versus watching something recorded makes a difference, especially on something like this.
00:34:08.960 so i said this this is this is not right so i remember getting on the horn i remember going
00:34:16.240 there and um i i said this this will not fly and this will not stand and this has better be this
00:34:26.500 better be fixed because otherwise we're gonna have a problem i probably used it for these people to
00:34:31.160 deal with marco i mean when you go to deal as you talk about this will not fly who are you speaking
00:34:36.760 with exactly and what are they like are they stone-faced when they address you do they have
00:34:43.080 any human characteristics or feelings at all in person you're dealing with just a clerk somebody
00:34:49.280 up front who then very quickly brings in one of the sheriffs in the background like the sheriffs
00:34:54.200 run the remand centers in alberta and it depends on the sheriff right you have good ones you have
00:34:59.680 bad ones um when i they gave me contact information i right away worked my myself to the director of
00:35:06.120 operations so this was via via the phone and or a deputy director of operations and i explained
00:35:13.560 the situation and i says um i told him that how unacceptable this was i i'm i'm firm but i'm
00:35:19.960 civil i'm not i'm not going off where this guy's like okay this guy's crazy but i'm making it very
00:35:25.480 clear that this will not fly like i'm not there's no threats here but this if this if this doesn't
00:35:30.760 get resolved this will be exposed it's going to be a problem it's going to be a problem for you sir
00:35:37.320 and uh i don't like that i prefer don't have a problem along those lines
00:35:42.440 not not knowing if i'm going to be successful but i have to try right exactly and you know it's
00:35:49.080 interesting i would imagine i have never had to deal with people like this before and what you're
00:35:55.160 you're doing is negotiating not from a position of authority you're negotiating from a position
00:36:01.700 of weakness because really they hold all the cards which must be incredibly frustrating and
00:36:07.980 yet you managed somehow to make that happen so congratulations a lot of people when they negotiate
00:36:14.020 from a position of just to cap it off you negotiate from position of what's morally right
00:36:18.960 and i know that's lost in society but that you know there are still good people out there thankfully
00:36:25.480 It's not lost in society.
00:36:27.960 There's people like us still around.
00:36:29.940 They are, but it's rare.
00:36:33.740 You wonder.
00:36:35.340 So when we talk about, everybody talks about the Coutts four all the time.
00:36:39.020 And I guess maybe, Betty, this would be one for you, or Marco, maybe.
00:36:43.560 You've got Chris Lysak.
00:36:44.980 You've got Chris Carbert, your son.
00:36:46.420 You've got Jerry Morin.
00:36:47.660 You've got Tony Olenek, the four guys.
00:36:51.220 They're not in lockup together, just to be clear.
00:36:55.060 They're all in separate facilities, correct?
00:36:58.620 Chris Lysak and Chris Carvert, my son are in the same facility,
00:37:02.560 but in on different floors.
00:37:05.100 Okay.
00:37:05.520 And the other two are.
00:37:07.000 One's in medicine hat.
00:37:08.200 Tony's in medicine hat and, uh, Jerry's well, I think he's in Edmonton.
00:37:12.820 Now he got moved from Calgary to Edmonton last week.
00:37:16.300 Yeah, correct.
00:37:17.600 Yeah.
00:37:18.740 So is there a reason for that, that they're doing, they're moving
00:37:22.660 these guys around?
00:37:23.460 Is it overcrowding?
00:37:25.060 and and the reason i ask that is because i was talking to a friend last night whose boss just
00:37:32.820 got out of jail here in manitoba in the provincial facility which is two years less a day and the
00:37:39.300 reason that he got out so fast was because of overcrowding right so they just sent him out and
00:37:47.460 they said all right go ahead man we're gonna put you on house arrest for the remainder of
00:37:51.940 your sentence here and you'll be done but these guys what kinds of conditions are they living in
00:38:00.080 are they are they being moved just for convenience sake or are they trying to break these guys
00:38:06.380 what exactly is going on here well i know they're they're not allowed in the same facility or on the
00:38:13.540 same floor anyhow because they have um what are they called orders they can't talk to each other
00:38:19.540 No contact orders.
00:38:22.180 So that's why they can't be in the same area.
00:38:26.420 And the two Chris's have always been in Lethbridge,
00:38:31.520 but it's been a little rougher for Tony and Jerry.
00:38:36.500 They've been moved quite a bit,
00:38:38.140 especially when they have to come to Lethbridge for court dates.
00:38:43.080 How are they doing health-wise?
00:38:45.800 I know that one of them, and forgive me,
00:38:48.660 it's very difficult to keep track of everything that's happening out there. And I know that you
00:38:54.120 guys are very, very intimately acquainted with all of this. And that's obviously the reason you're
00:38:59.140 here. One of them is having some terrible health issues. Which one is having the problems?
00:39:10.220 Tony, he's got stomach issues, he needs probiotics, but they won't allow him to have the
00:39:17.760 the kind that he needs they gave them some finally after several months but they weren't
00:39:24.080 the ones that he had was on before that he knew that would work
00:39:29.280 and uh he actually said once that he thought he was gonna die
00:39:34.080 in jail because he was so sick he's lost a lot of weight
00:39:41.440 and what they do then when there is trial dates because tony and jerry then have to be moved and
00:39:46.400 remanded in lethbridge is they don't take you take the individual but they don't take
00:39:52.480 his probiotics with so he's then left you know with without that and he becomes ill
00:40:00.880 so it's just it's it's it's it's it's just very poor care and it differs from facility
00:40:08.240 to facility and from individual to individual marco are you still a member of town council
00:40:14.080 yeah i still am did they try to remove you for this
00:40:20.620 um there was a significant amount of complaints as much as there was support for for what i did
00:40:28.660 um under the legislation of the mga municipal government act um there was no authority to
00:40:40.040 to remove me uh the the council themselves could sanction me uh pay things like that but being
00:40:48.420 elected you can't remove an elected uh official right so they i was written a letter a letter of
00:40:56.600 remand um of reprimand sorry um and that was a big that was that was a big deal at that time but i
00:41:02.760 mean they had to do something they had so many people cry foul on one side and they had a lot
00:41:09.600 of people that were opposed to doing anything at all so they felt that that was um their best
00:41:16.900 approach and honestly um it probably was right it's a very divisive issue because it stemmed
00:41:22.800 back to covet and you know what covet did in communities right so are you finding that people
00:41:28.140 are waking up from that uh yes there there was a lot of people um even in southern alberta that
00:41:36.320 weren't necessarily in favor of either the the actions or the tactics or or the convoy things
00:41:44.120 like that but they whether it was for financial reasons you know border clothes agricultural or
00:41:50.740 business they have since come to realize that this was needed and um so you know there are
00:41:59.620 people that have even been thanked people who are outright hostile at that time that have come to
00:42:04.120 thank um and and thank us and others for what we did at the time they couldn't see it but since
00:42:12.360 they they have come to see that especially now like even look at this week look at what's
00:42:17.380 happening right uh that that what what was happening in society um was wrong and that
00:42:24.300 it always takes a few to stand up and then you know courage is contagious it's a real thing
00:42:28.600 um so i do believe that 100 there are more people that are becoming aware to to what's happening
00:42:36.560 but again it's it's still there's still a significant number of people who who could
00:42:42.300 care less right it hasn't impacted them or so they think eddie how has your life been i mean
00:42:49.980 this is something obviously that you could never anticipate in your entire life
00:42:55.900 uh your son he's a good guy I mean he's raising his kid um had a job not a problem person
00:43:06.960 and then something like this happens how has your life in your community been have have you been
00:43:15.380 confronted by people actually um I can honestly say not in a negative way because um
00:43:25.900 We've lived in our community, well, I've been here all my life,
00:43:30.480 and so has Chris, pretty much.
00:43:32.160 He moved for a short time.
00:43:34.640 And so we do have a lot of friends and supporters here,
00:43:38.420 and I haven't really ran into anybody that was very critical
00:43:43.640 of what was happening.
00:43:47.220 But regardless, this has been quite this last two years,
00:43:52.880 It just seems like my life revolves around trying to deal with things to help Chris,
00:43:59.920 whether it be finding lawyers or going to court dates or planning events.
00:44:06.800 My life revolves around it.
00:44:08.800 It seems like 24 hours a day and that.
00:44:11.500 So, yeah, I'd like to see what normal life is like again.
00:44:16.600 And the sooner the better.
00:44:18.240 What was your normal life like before all of this?
00:44:20.960 Do you remember even?
00:44:22.880 it's starting to be you know a distant memory um i'm retired and my husband and i have been going
00:44:32.320 south for um many years um other than covid time and uh it's it's hard because it's your home life
00:44:48.000 isn't normal because my I'm my phone is always ringing or I'm getting texts or I'm having to
00:44:54.120 deal with something else and you know that really affects your home life and it makes it difficult
00:45:01.220 because there is no normal just sitting around watching tv and enjoying life or going for walks
00:45:07.540 or you know it just seems to taken over my whole life okay I'm going to ask you um something touchy
00:45:16.160 here and i hope that you guys are good with this i know that there has been some issues around the
00:45:24.880 fundraising aspect the first question i want to ask is is it becoming because i know that these
00:45:32.660 lawyers are expensive and i think jason levine he was on the other night with pat king and they
00:45:39.520 threw out a number in the area of 650 or 700 000 and that was only for one of the guys
00:45:45.820 and even pat's eyes bugged out of his head when when we heard that number i was like are you
00:45:51.560 freaking kidding me right now and that was the lawyer that recently resigned are you finding it
00:45:57.680 more and more difficult to raise funds do you feel as though you're coming to the end of a rope
00:46:03.380 or is there still a good amount of support in that regard well i believe that um we i think we have
00:46:14.060 the same supporters all the time and at some point in time everybody gets tapped out and i know
00:46:20.640 they try the best they can to to give what they can but yeah after a while it's just it's you need
00:46:28.920 to reach a different audience a different group of people right have you been involved in any of
00:46:34.840 that marco oh absolutely yeah i um i'm quite on that side on the fundraising side i'm involved
00:46:42.460 for both Chris's I run their I run their social medias and stuff as well but tapped out yeah
00:46:51.100 you know if there's there's limitations to generosity from from one source but the you
00:46:59.040 know if we look at yesterday right we have Tucker Carlson and Gordon McGill do their video that's
00:47:04.220 three four million views at this point or reaches so the audience has increased and I could never
00:47:11.340 achieve that if i work my whole life what they accomplished yesterday but there's still a lot
00:47:15.820 of work to be done but because the severity of the injustice increases unfortunately right
00:47:23.660 7 or 10 days 7 or 11 days 7 or 12 days the exposure increases as well more people are like
00:47:30.540 these guys are still in jail like local people that were that that were at coots that are like
00:47:36.140 these guys are still in jail because the layers of publication bans has prevented this story from
00:47:43.240 being not mainstream as in media mainstream but mainstream as in public in society but we've said 0.53
00:47:50.220 screw it a little while ago you know that's why hence operation exposure i've said screw it what's
00:47:55.460 the right thing to do here if are we going to allow the liberals the doj the rcmp that special
00:48:02.200 prosecution team are we going to allow them to throw away the keys on these men not not while
00:48:07.080 i'm they're going to have to mute me physically i won't allow it i won't and i'm one person but i
00:48:12.920 mean i have reach i have influence and that reach increases so the the base the support increases
00:48:22.600 and there's been some difficulties with that but i mean we've we've overcome that um
00:48:28.760 Um, we've not, you know, it's not that we've forgiven and forgotten, but we've moved past
00:48:34.020 that.
00:48:34.340 These men have set up their own, their own, uh, space with their own people, their own
00:48:40.880 trustees and things like that.
00:48:42.620 And it's, it's better that way.
00:48:45.000 It's, I think it's increased.
00:48:46.620 Um, there's times where it's less and where there's times where it's more, but we have
00:48:50.100 a big event coming up Saturday.
00:48:51.720 I think it's going to do well.
00:48:52.920 I think it's going to be a phenomenal event and there's going to be, I think the wallets
00:48:57.860 will loosen up based on the story and the injustice the injustice of what's happening um so
00:49:04.600 we are talking astronomical numbers but when you talk about thousands of people and then you add
00:49:11.580 20 30 40 bucks you get you get big numbers in a real hurry right marco have you looked and and
00:49:18.260 seen or maybe betty have you guys looked and seen what what is the record for being held
00:49:23.300 without a trial in Canada?
00:49:26.400 Or is that something they don't even keep a record like that?
00:49:31.240 I haven't looked. Betty, have you?
00:49:33.840 I haven't looked, but I have heard
00:49:37.180 that even though there's this supposed Jordan Act
00:49:42.300 that you can't be kept in for more than 30 months,
00:49:46.100 I have heard of individuals
00:49:49.820 that have been in for as long as four years so without trial and we're talking probably about
00:49:58.500 the most dangerous of offenders in a situation like that it would have to be right these guys
00:50:06.100 they're not do any of them have any priors i think one of them might have something
00:50:14.320 my son does from when he was a um a teenager so what did he do uh i i think it was uh
00:50:24.220 a drinking and driving uh that's what i recall i'm pretty sure driving under the
00:50:29.980 not great but then again i mean like there's a lot of that out there and and so that by the way
00:50:35.020 16 doesn't make it right but you know 16 year olds but what would that have 30 years ago
00:50:41.540 yeah 30 what would that have to do with anything today i mean obviously it doesn't but i'm sure
00:50:47.560 the government can try and use that to keep to keep him behind bars how do they use that betty
00:50:54.680 i know in the court of public opinion it gets used all the time let's not give them any ideas
00:50:58.640 here you guys yeah no no that's not that's not their excuses for sure um they're afraid
00:51:06.520 the biggest thing they use is they're afraid that when the police come to check on them
00:51:11.700 when they open the door they'll get shot
00:51:13.760 so i see operation exposure marco by your name there and obviously that means getting rid of
00:51:23.480 these publication bans i'm not sure how many of them there are but i do know a guy who works on
00:51:30.000 behalf of people who have received these bogus charges out east and he's been helping a great
00:51:35.920 deal i'm not going to name him right now because he may come into play at some point soon but what
00:51:41.680 he has been saying is the first thing that needs to be done is getting rid of these bans so that's
00:51:50.860 what you're working on are you are you trying to get this judge who contributed to the liberal
00:51:54.700 party of canada 26 times to remove them or no are you just going to start speaking out i'm speaking
00:52:01.820 out i'm so you're you are a lot of information court charges you're risking contempt of court
00:52:07.940 charges to get this information out because it's the right thing to do i agree with you
00:52:13.280 possibly but there's a lot based on correct but there's a lot of information that i'm privy to
00:52:20.340 not from being in court like i listened to pre-trial arguments for and against and we're
00:52:26.620 using rcmp disclosure and notes and crown disclosure to argue it's actually rigged the
00:52:33.420 system to some degree i won't go into that but i mean i i was part of this i'm like no that's not
00:52:39.020 what happened i have a stellar memory i was there i was involved on on many levels for those 18 days
00:52:45.740 so what i know from experience i can speak about and again there is things that that may be
00:52:57.960 privy for example based on some of these applications uh where they where we have
00:53:03.860 allegations of crime fraud and the judge steals the seals the envelope so that's the physical
00:53:09.360 envelope but i mean he seals the application from the public then i say regardless of our system
00:53:17.040 regardless of what our because they're using the system to hold these men legitimately and we're
00:53:23.100 standing there holding our hands like what can we do well if we do not get the truth out there
00:53:28.280 you know then then then they will be successful and thankfully what's happened in the last week
00:53:36.180 I started speaking out two weeks ago, and if we look at, you mentioned before we came on, Dave Lometty, previous justice minister, resigned, scrubbed his Twitter four days ago, actually.
00:53:45.840 He scrubbed it before.
00:53:47.060 You know, he's shredding evidence.
00:53:50.300 That's interesting, being a lawyer and all, previous justice minister.
00:53:53.360 But that justice minister, he appointed two of the three judges that preside over these proceedings.
00:53:59.840 James. He appointed LaBrenz and Hartigan. Jody Rabold-Wilson appointed Kubik. Jody
00:54:10.600 Rabold-Wilson is a 26-time donor. So she's a bail judge and Hartigan is a bail judge.
00:54:14.880 LaBrenz is the trial judge. But all three of these judges are liberal appointed justices.
00:54:20.180 Two of these justices were appointed by our friend, the justice minister who just resigned.
00:54:25.100 resigned there's a reason why he just resigned and mark my word we're not done seeing this house of
00:54:32.860 cards fall apart i think you know shadow that this thing is going to keep on going for the next little
00:54:37.260 while let's hope it even goes as far as trudeau resigning or that there is a leadership a call
00:54:43.580 for a leadership uh review but okay there is actually a call for a leadership review right now
00:54:49.560 from inside of his own party, I don't think it's going to go very far, but that was on the left
00:54:55.240 wing corporate media yesterday or the day before. Let's go into this a little bit more. David
00:54:59.700 Lamedy scrubbing his Twitter and resigning just suddenly as an MP. He was no longer the Minister
00:55:05.500 of Justice and the Attorney General. He was just an MP. Is that connected in your opinion to what's
00:55:14.020 going on right now 100 he was he was the acting justice minister during the time of the convoy
00:55:19.980 and the blockades he was the act he was the just he was the minute he was the cabinet minister
00:55:24.860 that there was messages that were brought forward during the commission as evidence right the rule
00:55:31.240 commission that had him texting fellow fellow members of the party or of the cab of trudeau's
00:55:40.220 cabinet when the convoy the freedom convoy not blocking when the convoy was still en route to
00:55:46.120 ottawa where he was messaging about the ema i seen those i have to pull them up so is he the fall guy
00:55:54.100 for this because the ema now didn't didn't stand up in federal court you're bad you suggested the
00:56:01.220 ema you push for the ema you got it justified operation ema is now bad and the government
00:56:07.000 falls is he the first fall guy possibly because he's one of the guys that push for the ema being
00:56:11.880 in that position as well right the justice minister is going to be in charge of of legislation that
00:56:19.280 gives government the ability to to take away the rights afforded us under the charter that that's
00:56:25.320 that that goes back to justice right if there's charges stemming out of that it it's the doj it's
00:56:32.080 all of that right so he's you know marco medicino was minister of emergency management so he played
00:56:36.940 a significant role jody jody wilson did as well but i mean david lometty was a key key kingpin in
00:56:45.100 in this whole situation that that leads up to the emergency emergency act being implemented so
00:56:52.540 the fact that he that that remembered the cabinet shuffle a couple months ago where all of these
00:56:57.580 important cabinet ministers high-ranking liberals long-time two three-term liberals were put on the
00:57:04.380 the backbench including david so why resign now it's not like he got booted out of cabinet today
00:57:11.900 no no he's been a backbencher for a couple months now and now he resigned the day two days after
00:57:18.300 this ruling so what does this tell you is there some kind of information coming out that he wants
00:57:23.760 to dodge 100 100 there is we want to talk about conspiracies there is a conspiracy here and it's
00:57:33.580 their conspiracy i believe 100 percent that they took some factual deeds some some some facts out
00:57:41.580 of coots and they built something because you we were protesters protesters do not threaten
00:57:50.060 our territorial integrity all these all these reasons to implement ema if they're threatened
00:57:57.180 protesters was not a justification terrorists and um insurrectionists and anarchists okay now we're
00:58:06.700 talking so they used the situation down in coots as the final justification or one of the biggest
00:58:15.180 reasons to implement the act that picture we've all seen the picture of the firearms right the
00:58:20.860 diagonal patch we've all seen that picture that picture probably made its way through the ranks
00:58:26.140 in ottawa and all of 15 minutes if i were a batman i bet on that and i've spoken about this last week
00:58:34.140 um in in conjunction with the alberta rcmp you're talking deputy commissioner
00:58:40.060 that's a block key he's he's he's in contact with brenda lucky you know i know it's it's
00:58:45.820 provincial but when it comes to this they're in contact with with the department of justice with
00:58:50.540 david lemetti's people his office and they are gathered so they're four hours ahead so we have a
00:58:58.460 well we have warrants we have a sting operation that commences from 10 o'clock till two till two
00:59:03.980 o'clock our time that means six o'clock ottawa time they would have been receiving this the news of
00:59:13.820 this these guns and all of this and they would have had the information that the undercovers
00:59:20.940 had been presenting and comments and things like that are there people out there that that that 0.97
00:59:27.580 that say stupid things outside of a politicized setting does that ever make its way to ottawa 0.82
00:59:34.780 i don't think so that's a local issue the local detachment the local crown prosecutors will deal 0.96
00:59:39.420 with it this was necessary this was the key piece that they were looking for i have here i have a
00:59:49.340 recording i'll give it at that because that's i have i'll read off an article here sorry i just
00:59:57.720 got to find i sent it to media but they had to talk to their legal teams before they could run
01:00:01.420 Okay. Here, quotes. This is quotes. Word for word. I transcribed it. There was, and this is from a senior investigator out of the RCMP Detachment Airdrie. That's the command detachment in Alberta.
01:00:21.320 there was some political pressure from the federal government at some level and uh whether
01:00:27.800 it was an actual conversation that say they were directed i can't say that but i mean there was a
01:00:34.040 lot of pressure because let's face it hold on marco marco marco your inner your internet broke
01:00:39.460 up can you back up a couple of sentences please you want me to just start over no no just a couple
01:00:44.780 with sentences okay okay whether it was an actual conversation let's say they were directed i can't
01:00:51.480 say that but i mean there was a lot of pressure because let's face it they had this thing going
01:00:56.560 on in ottawa at the same time and they needed tools to be able to shut that down so this is
01:01:03.460 albert rcmp being aware of ottawa the political side needing tools to be able to deal with that
01:01:12.760 highly embarrassing situation for the federal government on wellington street among other
01:01:17.120 streets and you want to tell me that i'm crazy and we see we now see the beginning of this house
01:01:23.300 of cards starting to fall apart why would david lametti resign now if he was booted at a cabinet
01:01:28.340 when was trudeau's last cabinet shuffle six months ago five months ago it was a big cabinet shuffle
01:01:33.560 and david lametti was removed marco medicino was removed among others so why now players during the
01:01:40.580 Creative Convoy, what's in the envelope?
01:01:46.200 I believe that they're, so in events like this,
01:01:52.000 Crown prosecutors, they're lawyers, right?
01:01:54.080 They're lawyers that then become Crown prosecutors,
01:01:57.180 so they know the law.
01:01:58.980 Law enforcement still has to operate inside the law.
01:02:03.800 They still have to operate lawfully,
01:02:05.640 so it holds up the court, et cetera, et cetera.
01:02:07.440 we've seen unlawful behavior in coots where they disabled disabled the excavators but they felt
01:02:14.220 the liability was too great so they were prepared to deal with the consequence it's currently for
01:02:18.080 the court they're going to lose they're probably going to pay a whole bunch of money etc etc
01:02:21.680 so they did that so we know they they were advised by authorities to commit a crime going
01:02:28.580 property and disable equipment you and me do that it's a crime so they committed a crime and they're
01:02:33.920 to own up to that so i believe that this that this unredacted information that made its way
01:02:42.560 to defense councils and that a staff member member working for one of the defense lawyers
01:02:47.920 found this unredacted information and it had to do with lead prosecutor stephen johnson because
01:02:52.960 he had to recuse himself from that particular application they had to bring in a deputy
01:02:57.600 special prosecution james pickard out of edmonton to do to argue against that operation or against
01:03:05.200 that application the application goes forward the judge receives the contents of the envelope
01:03:12.080 and cut the story short promptly seals it and it's trucks defense councils and all those involved
01:03:18.960 which is six or seven people that they can't even breathe about it they can't even say why
01:03:23.520 hiding nothing but you know how it goes there's enough information out there i believe that
01:03:29.940 stephen johnson who during this event the events of the blockades and and the the convoys are
01:03:37.880 are essentially at the table ensuring that rcmp operate in a ethical non-criminal manner but i
01:03:45.980 believe that they received
01:03:47.960 that he gave advice that
01:03:49.760 technically or that eventually
01:03:51.420 made them operate
01:03:55.420 or made them commit a crime
01:03:57.580 and that they're trying
01:03:59.940 to bury that and that somebody screwed up and sent
01:04:01.920 unredacted disclosure
01:04:03.120 because the disclosure I have as well, it's redacted.
01:04:06.420 Like when I say redacted, it's black
01:04:07.940 and white. If you
01:04:09.560 hold it up to a light in a certain way
01:04:11.900 can you maybe see what's behind
01:04:13.760 those big black blocks or no?
01:04:15.980 i've never tried it i'm going to try it but i i don't i don't think that's uh i don't think it's
01:04:20.220 not like an envelope you get in the mail but i mean it's that serious if it's it was not if it
01:04:24.860 was nothing then why hide it from the public why seal it but if it's so serious and made to be felt
01:04:29.660 and the defense counsels felt that this could change the outcome or the proceedings of these
01:04:35.900 prosecutions and this judge promptly sealed it and they called it crime fraud they called it crime
01:04:44.300 crime fraud that's what the lawyers indicated that what was in that envelope was crime fraud
01:04:51.660 go ahead so serious in nature that before they could make this application in the court they
01:05:02.040 had to request approval from the law association the provincial law association that's how serious
01:05:08.380 and nature this was speaking of the lawyers one just recently quit um we know that the costs are
01:05:18.680 getting up there have these lawyers been competent and i'm not talking just about uh chris's betty
01:05:25.060 but in in general have they have they been competent have they been doing everything they
01:05:32.480 can because i'm thinking now two years in lockup either the government is playing a lot of games
01:05:41.100 here or we've got some pretty lame lawyers not doing such a good job now i know that it puts
01:05:49.960 you in an awkward spot to answer a question like that so maybe if you want to sugarcoat it whatever
01:05:56.260 well i i personally feel other than the one lawyer at one time i thought the other three
01:06:06.580 were doing a really good job um if you talk to them at all they will say that nothing is going
01:06:13.600 the way what normally would what they thought for sure would happen because that was what normally
01:06:19.520 would happen isn't happening and they're just as perplexed as anybody else as to you they
01:06:26.280 recognize there's something going on that just isn't right but there's no motions they can make
01:06:33.580 there's there's absolutely nothing they can find in any case law that that because these guys i
01:06:39.120 mean as we say it's coming up on two years now two years it's outrageous that goes back to bail
01:06:45.740 right so the pre-trial applications those those determine how trial could be run and essentially
01:06:51.980 we're not looking for the case to be nobody has put in a request for it to be dismissed
01:06:56.620 and so it's gonna it's gonna continue on but the difference between them and myself for example is
01:07:03.100 i'm out i'm i'm i'm i can work a family i'm not 712 days in remand or 11 days so chris
01:07:11.660 Carbert recently had his third, Betty, third or was it technically second bail hearing?
01:07:17.820 I guess third, but the second one, the judge said he wouldn't make a decision to leave it up to the
01:07:24.700 first bail judge. Right. Yeah. So it was a third. We applied three times, but really only a second
01:07:30.440 ruling where it was denied. Now, my feelings on our current bail situation are my own. But
01:07:39.320 reality is is that trudeau initiated bail reform two three years ago uh bill i don't have it
01:07:46.260 readily available but he initiated bail reform and essentially it's it's no cash bail everybody
01:07:51.480 we have we have serious criminals pedophiles you name it being processed and being released
01:07:58.340 within 24 48 hours i don't like that but that's the reality that that's that's what we're dealing
01:08:04.120 in in today's society in today's canada so we have we have cop killers on bail
01:08:11.940 not politically engaged we're not not involved in some high stakes political
01:08:18.820 you know they're not political dissidents things like that these guys are out on bail
01:08:24.140 and here we have four men and again chris carver went for bail and he would have set
01:08:29.800 precedence if he was released and the others would have followed but we have four men here who are
01:08:34.600 being denied bail on grounds that have been debunked the initial reasons you know you know
01:08:41.480 that you know what the public said right everybody was like oh these guys are gonna shoot cops what
01:08:45.240 the heck i'll be honest i remember saying every day peaceful guys peaceful protest peaceful peaceful
01:08:52.520 peaceful i was angry when this came out i thought what the heck how these guys screw it up they 0.68
01:08:57.000 They ruined it.
01:08:59.240 I've since come to know, like years ago, I've since come to know things differently.
01:09:05.760 But a lot of people felt that way.
01:09:07.880 These men were forgotten for a couple, for half a year initially until the injustness of it all started to come to light.
01:09:15.900 But, again, these men, what that narrative was then is no longer the case.
01:09:24.240 trial has been denied or has been delayed there's all of these factors that would factor into
01:09:31.960 reasons to to allow for bail and we have a judge that walks in 40 minutes late with a chip on her
01:09:42.040 shoulder and it takes all the five minutes for her to to deny bail to a a man who had every
01:09:49.900 opportunity to to shoot our team officers and never did and he's being accused of that
01:09:56.300 so let me ask you let me ask a couple of questions before we wrap it up first one is
01:10:04.500 i believe that public pressure large public pressure is the way to go aside from what
01:10:11.820 you're doing marco i think is fantastic operation exposure let's get as much information about what
01:10:17.800 is really going on what really has gone on with this whole thing out there for people to see it
01:10:22.860 so you use uh channels like mine uh from coast to coast because this is not just an alberta issue
01:10:30.840 anymore it never should have been in the first place but now it is starting to spread you know
01:10:38.040 through shows like mine and others like it we are talking now to people in atlantic canada
01:10:44.880 We're talking to people in Quebec, we're talking to people in the United States and Ontario, and they're going, what?
01:10:51.340 I mean, even Elon Musk, I think, mentioned something on X about this.
01:10:55.580 He said, these guys are in jail for two years with no with no trial.
01:10:59.240 Are you kidding me?
01:11:00.880 Elon freaking Musk.
01:11:02.460 So maybe we should have a big party someplace.
01:11:08.100 And it's difficult because, as Betty was saying, they're all in different spots right now.
01:11:12.500 But maybe we pick a place in Alberta and we just get everybody together, have a big, huge concert one night.
01:11:20.000 Once they dismiss charges on on Tamara, maybe we can get her and her husband to come out and play with their band and just have this great.
01:11:27.100 I was thinking about doing this last year, but then I couldn't find a venue for it.
01:11:31.960 Just have a great, big, huge prairie party, invite everybody from all across the country to come take their vacation in rural Alberta this year and let's do it.
01:11:42.020 right but when when we do it we have to show up and where would be a center point where we could
01:11:50.040 go and let those people know that we're not happy with this medicine hat lethbridge calgary where do
01:11:55.900 we need to go well i think any of those places really uh redmondton maybe we go sit outside
01:12:03.380 mickey emory's door for a while yeah legislature they got a big area in front of the legislature
01:12:08.960 Do a big rally.
01:12:10.640 I hope this gets resolved soon.
01:12:13.300 But if it doesn't and it gets warm out, we might have to do that.
01:12:17.260 We may have to start putting different kinds of pressure on.
01:12:20.020 At this point, it's public awareness.
01:12:21.660 We've got to make people aware.
01:12:23.160 For those who were at the Tucker Carlson events, Calgary and Edmonton yesterday,
01:12:27.500 I'm part of a grassroots coalition, members of the UCP party, guys like Dr. Modri.
01:12:34.460 There's 13 of us.
01:12:35.560 and we printed up 25,000 brochures, and we distributed 12,000, 13,000,
01:12:42.000 and there was a lot of information crammed into that.
01:12:44.200 But it's about making people aware of the actual injustice
01:12:47.540 because right now people don't even know.
01:12:50.280 Mainstream media ain't talking about this.
01:12:51.920 They might have today, I think, something in the Calgary Sun
01:12:54.040 based on the Premier being questioned about it.
01:12:56.340 We won't get into her answer because I'm not interested in that at this point.
01:12:59.540 But it's a good thing.
01:13:01.020 What happened this week is a win.
01:13:02.620 people can say oh you know this it's a win good news if people even if mainstream media says
01:13:08.840 something bad about these guys it's kind of like credit no credit well bad credit's better than no
01:13:14.420 credit if they're talking about them it's a win okay what they're saying about them just talk
01:13:19.680 about them let let me uh throw something across your desk here and i want you to remember this
01:13:25.420 it's very important you're a outspoken marco you both you and betty outspoken people um we're
01:13:32.400 getting to know you across the country so the rule on my show is we no longer say mainstream media
01:13:39.300 because mainstream denotes that they are in fact the consciousness of the country they are called
01:13:46.000 on this show have been for three years now and will continue to be until the day i die
01:13:51.240 they are the marxist corporate media ctv cbc global say all that marxist and i want you to
01:13:59.880 emblazon that in your brains because whenever you talk about them from this day forward on
01:14:06.040 anybody else's platform they are the marxist corporate media we need to call them what they 0.90
01:14:13.440 are yeah and and you know you notice on tnc or rebel news they say legacy media that's even worse
01:14:20.900 because now it's like i'm leaving my legacy behind it's a positive thing they're not positive they 0.79
01:14:27.540 are negative they do not represent the zeitgeist of this country they are marxists neo-marxists
01:14:34.440 far left corporate uh public partnership with the government they are not mainstream i'm sure
01:14:44.500 that one of you two has looked into a possible civil action when the guys get released
01:14:51.400 because chances are good like when we talk about this we've talked about
01:14:58.280 you know the situation with chris barber and other people who've been held pat king
01:15:02.460 we talk about um you know their charges getting suddenly dropped you know after two years of
01:15:10.100 waiting and you mark oh i mean your your trial your case finally is going to go to court when
01:15:14.420 april you said april 2nd yeah so you've been waiting and waiting and waiting to have to go
01:15:21.100 right it's the process that's the penalty it would not surprise me one bit if the day comes
01:15:28.060 where the boys all get let out and then their charges get magically dropped and they want it
01:15:34.420 to go away because they know they can't win yeah and and i think they know that there's disclosure
01:15:42.620 issues i have more comments there that i would read off but they're looking to hit the 30-month
01:15:47.700 threshold so that these men due to the unforgiving situation they're in anything is better so the
01:15:56.700 Jordan application becomes a real possibility they are now able to apply to the courts to
01:16:01.480 be released based on not having been tried in a reasonable amount of time based on you know
01:16:07.800 something that the Jordan versus something went before the spring court 1976 or something like
01:16:14.080 that but here's here's the catch that's not a straight win no what that then by by making that
01:16:21.520 application they they throw away their rights to to civil civil suits right it's their application
01:16:31.460 they make this application to the courts we've been held there 30 months we haven't gone to trial
01:16:34.740 so then the courts say okay we'll release you but you can't sue us your charges aren't dropped
01:16:41.600 their state.
01:16:44.000 They're never vindicated.
01:16:45.640 They're never vindicated in the eyes of the courts,
01:16:47.740 in the eyes of the public.
01:16:50.620 They follow them
01:16:51.560 forever.
01:16:53.120 They follow them forever, and
01:16:54.960 the worst thing, well, not necessarily the worst thing
01:16:57.600 is, but the Crown gets away with what they've done.
01:16:59.760 You know what, they'll say things like, yeah,
01:17:01.260 we're underfunded, understaffed,
01:17:03.560 the judiciary
01:17:05.040 branch is dysfunctional,
01:17:07.560 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and there will be
01:17:09.280 some sort of political outcry
01:17:11.260 And a week later, we won't even make the front page.
01:17:14.240 That's what I believe they're gunning for.
01:17:16.220 And they're getting close.
01:17:17.100 That's in August.
01:17:18.200 You can say August is a ways away.
01:17:19.920 It's actually not.
01:17:21.420 We're almost two years into this thing.
01:17:23.180 If they reach that deadline, who are we to say to Chris and Chris, Jerry and Tony,
01:17:28.200 we'll make that application.
01:17:29.480 Don't do it.
01:17:30.060 Don't do it.
01:17:30.720 These men are in a situation we can't imagine.
01:17:35.540 So yes, they will make this application, even if it will affect their lives negatively
01:17:39.480 moving forward.
01:17:40.700 they'll be they'll be you know but but there's no recourse from that there's no way to come out
01:17:46.520 it's up to us to get them out before that exactly exactly all right we have to do this
01:17:53.700 you know what if if either of you need anything from me and this audience um fundraising or just
01:18:03.200 an idea to gather or getting word out or communicating or whatever, please let me know
01:18:15.020 what we can do and I'll get it out to the audience. Maybe even now you can tell them.
01:18:20.340 I mean, there's 1,700 live viewers, 15,000 will see this in the next couple of days.
01:18:26.100 So you can get it out to that many people right now. What can they do?
01:18:30.000 Let's think, Betty. One thing I would say is Saturday, we have the second anniversary of the, you know, the 29th. So the second anniversary of the Coutts Convoy. And there's a big fundraiser after that.
01:18:48.460 there is it's all over facebook um maybe i'll share it with uh with shadow and he can post it
01:18:54.780 on his facebook but i mean that's one way to to connect with the families with us that's one way
01:19:01.480 to support the legal battles and that's one way to get involved um naturally that has a physical
01:19:07.120 location so if you're from other parts of the country you can't always help as much but stay
01:19:12.340 tuned you know jason levine shadow uh i was on with chris scott i know chris scott came on here
01:19:17.820 two days later and shared a lot of what I shared with him Chris Scott's good friend you know I
01:19:21.800 talked to him daily um get the word out talk about these guys this is injustice this is not
01:19:28.860 something to be ashamed of when people say all these guys were gonna shoot guns where is the
01:19:34.080 innocence before before the courts where is that that has to become that has to become the norm
01:19:40.620 again that as can it because because if not if that doesn't happen we will see a judiciary start
01:19:45.720 to politicize the the law enforcement arm like they are in the states you have democratic general
01:19:51.480 attorneys who are prosecuting trump and his people not because they're guilty no because they can
01:19:59.080 and that is something we if that happens starts to happen it is happening canada but we have to
01:20:03.480 we have to oppose that otherwise very quickly we are going to see conservatives be prosecuted for
01:20:09.880 for crimes that they're they have a they're alleged to have committed and be thrown through
01:20:16.120 the legal legal grinder for two years because the color blue will become illegal you will not be able
01:20:22.120 to wear the color blue anywhere anytime because then you're a racist a bigot extremist
01:20:31.160 guys thank you for that video you showed at the beginning of the show of those four 0.98
01:20:36.040 liberal cabinet the outrage they show at a free speech event it's it's it's it's ludicrous and
01:20:43.720 the fact they want pierre pauliev to comment on that guy wasn't even there like you know we may
01:20:48.040 have our different views on pierre pauliev but he wasn't there what does he have to do with this
01:20:52.680 they're just trying to control things right anyways yeah all right guys
01:20:58.680 let's stay in touch and we will do what we can on this end okay thank you thanks for having us on
01:21:04.280 marco betty thank you guys for coming on tonight and we'll get you on again real soon betty have a
01:21:11.160 good night you too thank you bye all right guys uh a couple more things before we wrap up the show
01:21:19.800 tonight alberta premier danielle smith let's bring this on here story from tnc.news
01:21:28.760 And she wants to double, she has vowed to double the province's oil production while speaking at Tucker Carlson's show.
01:21:38.960 Interesting. Maybe that's why those liberal ministers were so hot under the collar. 1.00
01:21:44.500 Smith made the commitment while she joined Tucker Carlson yesterday in Calgary and in Edmonton as part of his Canadian tour, addressing more than 4,000 attendees in Calgary.
01:21:54.960 Smith emphasized the province's need to enhance energy security and stability, particularly
01:21:59.520 in the context of recent challenges to Alberta's power grid. Not to mention the fact that the
01:22:06.540 liberals have tried to impinge on provincial sovereignty, and she is challenging that as well.
01:22:13.700 So say what you will about Danielle Smith. Some people say she's not doing enough. Other people
01:22:18.180 say, oh man, she's the last voice of reason in terms of leadership anywhere in the country.
01:22:24.080 and I would tend to agree with that. Of course she's not perfect. Nobody is and we're never
01:22:29.320 going to all agree on everything but she is at least stepping up and saying something and 0.99
01:22:35.420 challenging these Marxists in power in Ottawa. Today my friends is the second anniversary of
01:22:44.200 the Freedom Convoy pulling through Winnipeg and this came up on my Facebook today. When they came
01:22:52.660 here two years ago in 2022 and we could not we didn't know what to expect we were sitting there
01:23:00.240 at that at that gas station on the number one highway in headingly and we had heard things
01:23:09.700 oh there's a lot oh there's only like a dozen trucks oh there's only 40 trucks and
01:23:14.680 it was minus 35 and we thought well if there's only a dozen trucks we're just going to leave
01:23:23.000 then but we quickly realized there were people planted within that crowd of the flying jay
01:23:28.080 in winnipeg on this day two years ago to try and disperse the crowd to try and break the mood and
01:23:35.660 the spirit it didn't work thousands of people were there that day to watch the trucks roll by
01:23:42.860 so many so that they filled the parking lot of that particular place the rcmp had to close
01:23:49.360 that flying jay because there was no way the trucks could get in or get out there were that
01:23:54.700 many cars but no place else for people to park and again it was minus 35 so here's a little bit of
01:24:02.120 video from that day that i took a couple of years okay guys we're out here on the highway
01:24:09.860 we're out here on the highway here comes the convoy now what's happened here at the flying j
01:24:17.600 is that the rcfp as you can see right here
01:24:20.980 all right so what happened is the rc appear blocking off
01:24:31.580 the trucker's entrance to the flying j here for some reason i don't know why
01:24:36.260 And I was talking to an RCMP officer, and he told us that it's for traffic purposes, because look at what's going on.
01:24:47.320 And I said, yeah, like you guys didn't know this was coming?
01:24:51.760 So it seems a little suspect.
01:24:54.580 These truckers are going to have to stop off and fuel it someplace very soon.
01:24:59.300 And this was going to be the place for a number of them, so they're going to have to carry on at Deacon's Corner, hopefully Oak Bluff.
01:25:06.260 because the RCMP are also not allowing anybody to leave the parking lot of Flying J right now
01:25:13.080 because of the convoy going through.
01:25:14.560 So I think they're trying to blame all of this on the spectators who came to witness the convoy.
01:25:36.260 I'm not sure how much of that you guys can see, but it's a pretty extensive, but we knew
01:25:49.300 that, right?
01:25:54.640 All right.
01:25:58.760 So we went on and interviewed a whole bunch of people who were standing there.
01:26:02.580 You guys don't have to watch the entire six minutes of it.
01:26:05.060 It's up on my Facebook page where you could be watching right now.
01:26:08.360 So if you want to watch that in your own time, feel free to watch that.
01:26:11.600 One of the reasons that I chose to play this for you tonight was because, well, it's the second anniversary.
01:26:19.020 It was minus 35 that day.
01:26:20.560 I think you'd see the snot dripping from my nose there.
01:26:22.580 But more importantly, if you look up here in the corner, what you see is that video, that simple video got 100,000 views on Facebook.
01:26:31.700 that was the level of interest that people had in the convoy at that time so i take that as a good
01:26:42.380 thing i take that as a good sign because if we had a hundred thousand people interested enough
01:26:50.380 to watch a video from me then we know we can double that or more if we ever have to do it again
01:26:58.420 and we may just. I'm hoping we don't, but we may just have to. And now that so many more people
01:27:05.480 are up and awake and not going back to sleep, I think we'll be a very formidable force
01:27:12.660 if the need arises for us to reassemble. All right, guys, that is it for the show tonight.
01:27:22.260 I want to thank Marco for coming on tonight. I want to thank Betty for coming on tonight
01:27:27.940 and telling us a little bit more about what's happening in Alberta
01:27:32.860 surrounding the Couttsport and Marco's own case,
01:27:36.780 which begins at the beginning of April.
01:27:38.440 Mischief charges, mischief over $5,000, whatever that is.
01:27:42.640 But again, as we know, the process is the penalty.
01:27:48.180 I hope you guys enjoyed the show tonight.
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