00:21:06.800They could reach out to their community a little bit better and find local solutions that aren't based on expensive new technology.
00:21:20.700There's a lot of nature based things that they could do, but they're just taking the recommendations from the program.
00:21:29.880And, you know, the whole resolution to join, it basically gets one counselor and one staff member to act as a liaison between ICLEI and the FCM and their council.
00:21:44.840So the staff are kind of taking the ICLEI municipal plans, templates, and turning that into a local municipal plan.
00:21:55.880So it's a cookie cutter approach. I mean, every municipality across the country is doing the same plan, regardless of whether they are, you know, abutted against a river or in the mountains or in the middle of the prairies. It doesn't matter.
00:22:11.340And are you still shocked that you see so many councillors out there completely clueless about this plan that's infiltrated their cities?
00:22:25.880I'm not shocked. It's a huge gap that we can fill. I think that there's just a lack of education.
00:22:40.140The organization ICLEI has basically worked behind the scenes.
00:22:49.160They don't, the counselors don't even know who ICLEI is, and yet they've partnered with them.
00:22:56.260So there's so much education that we can do to our counselors and just give them this information.
00:23:03.580And it helps them to see that maybe they don't know exactly what's going on here.
00:23:09.800And together, we can figure it out, because I don't know everything either. I'm learning as I go in this too. And, you know, I throw throw it out there and experiment a little bit. And I might be right 80% of the time. But sometimes, you know, we gotta we gotta work with the system we have. And this is really low hanging fruit, this whole program. And yeah,
00:23:39.320Are you saying it's easy to get done what you've already accomplished and what would be the higher hanging fruit when you move forward?
00:23:49.860I mean, what's next? Are we talking about going after major cities like Toronto and Montreal?
00:23:57.240You know, Lethbridge is the city, right? So I was actually very surprised to see a city.
00:24:03.520I have been more advocating to rural and small towns and say, hey, what are you guys doing?
00:24:09.600You know, you're you're surrounded by forests and farmlands.
00:24:13.300You don't need to be doing any of this.
00:24:15.920But to see Lethbridge back out was was great.
00:25:45.120Anyone can go and look, you know, and see.
00:25:48.460If you go to the Partners for Climate Protection Program website and look at the members, you
00:25:53.060can see if your municipality is signed up.
00:25:54.900But so many more are doing a climate action plan based on the five milestones through consultants or NGOs that are likely affiliated with ICLE.
00:26:07.900so so when it's funny you mentioned earlier too that there's always one counselor or one member
00:26:15.140of the staff who is directed to act as the liaison between council and the fcm or the partners for
00:26:22.920climate protection slash icly whatever it is um is that person usually a volunteer or are they
00:26:29.740designated by the council or like because what i'm seeing here is we need to find out who those
00:26:36.500people are right they need to be ferreted out so that we can see the head of the snake right and
00:26:43.920it's like a murder mystery right so we've got 10 people in a room and we're looking around yeah
00:26:48.800it's like mustard in the library with a wrench right yeah yeah it is it is like a bit of a game
00:26:56.140and honestly it is not hard to see who it is all you have to do is show up at your council and watch
00:27:03.220And you will know which councillor is always moving these action items onto the agenda.
00:27:10.580And, you know, they'll refer to a certain staff member who did such a great job putting together this new municipal plan.
00:27:19.540And it's not coming from that municipal staff member.
00:27:27.140So essentially from the United Nations and the federal government.
00:27:30.180So international organizations and the federal government are bypassing provincial jurisdiction to implant and embed their policies at the local level, at the municipal level where they have no business being and really taking the focus off of what should be the municipal priorities and redirecting funds away from what municipalities are supposed to be spending money on.
00:28:00.180to fund EV charging stations, a new electric fleet for their staff.
00:28:24.900They are really going for 100 percent renewables. They are they are all in.
00:28:34.000They have a mayor that is just blind at this point to to reason.
00:28:42.220And that's OK, because I think the rest of the 60 councillors in his county are going to see what's going on here.
00:28:49.740But, yeah, they were going to spend about $13 million to replace their entire fleet.
00:28:56.100So 60, just around 60 vehicles to reduce CO2 by 40, sorry, 400 tons per year, which is essentially 13 billionth of 1% of CO2 in the atmosphere.
00:35:27.420There's networks like the Climate Caucus.
00:35:32.080And I won't say it's all bad that everyone, every councillor in the Climate Caucus is bad, but they have infiltration manuals on getting their climate agenda pushed through our local councils.
00:35:46.500So and it's called the Infiltration Manual.
00:35:49.940And really, we can learn a lot from reading that so that we can infiltrate our councils and, you know, learn how to network in our councils and present our recommendations.
00:36:01.340Have you read these infiltration manuals? What are they like?
00:36:07.740Essentially similar to what I'm teaching, to be honest.
00:36:13.280But obviously my recommendations are different and the information that I'm presenting is different.
00:36:18.900But, you know, all about education, public awareness, training delegates, providing information to council members, creating networks in your town.
00:36:30.020So you're not the only one going in to speak, filling the council chambers, using certain facts that seem to work and sticking to your message.
00:36:43.960What do you see the end game here being?
00:36:47.500I mean, we've got all this climate stuff and they're saying, well, we've got to clean up the world.
00:36:51.700We've got to go net zero by 2050 because there's a climate emergency, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:36:56.360And, you know, I mean, there's so many people out there now who are waking up to this nonsense.
00:37:00.300But ultimately, how do you see this shaking out?
00:37:03.380Does this have a lot to do with the smart cities, the 15 minute city plans that I mean, if you look at this story that comes from the CBC regarding Winnipeg?
00:37:11.000And I know for a fact the same thing is happening at Calgary because I just heard from a friend there today.
00:37:16.240There's a lot of zoning bylaw changes going on in suburban neighborhoods where they're now allowing four plexes, six plexes, eight plexes to be built alongside traditional, you know, single family homes.
00:37:34.880And this is a densification program, Maggie.
00:37:37.220They're trying to densify the suburban areas of our large cities.
00:38:46.240we definitely need to get ahead of this carbon credit system that Mark Carney is talking about
00:38:53.820and how they're going to penalize companies that don't go along with the carbon agenda and
00:39:04.040invest in the ones that do. So they're just redirecting wealth and pouring money into this
00:39:10.320agenda. And to me, we need to cut this off at like at the Achilles heel, which is at the
00:39:20.820grassroots level. So we if we can target and get this message to municipal counselors across the
00:39:28.080country, they are the ones who can who can cut it off at at the point where it's actually being
00:39:36.560implemented right yeah and um and i think that we can do it we will probably end up with some
00:39:46.080variation of um you know smart cities at the end of the day because we're moving into a technological
00:39:54.780era and there will always be some of that but if we can cut them off from the from having that kind
00:40:03.720of influence on rural communities and small towns, then we will essentially put a stop to
00:40:10.460their agenda fully implementing, in my opinion. That's interesting.
00:40:18.080It just seems like it's an unstoppable object at this stage of the game. However,
00:40:24.240the United States doesn't even seem to have any whiff of any of this happening right now.
00:40:29.000How is that even possible? I mean, there's not anything like Trump has just stamped all of that out. It wasn't an issue in the American election. You know, I mean, why? And here we are right next to each other. You know, we're a country of 40 million. They're a country of 340 million. We've got more land than they've got. You know, we've got more trees than they've got. We've got more resources, more water, more everything than they've got.
00:40:55.040And yet we're the ones who have to pay for carbon pollution.
00:48:08.440and I find it a very good return on investment for my energy.
00:48:15.120So there's a lot of times, you know, I asked Maggie earlier in the week,
00:48:19.080can you come on the show this week and talk about Lethbridge and all of the
00:48:22.300things you're doing? Oh no, no, no. I'm very busy this week.
00:48:24.620I've got seminars. I've got meetings. I've got papers to write. I've got art. And then she found some time for us tonight. So I want to thank you for coming on. And quickly, moving to a different subject. Last week, you got a chance to go up to Ottawa and sit with your friends from the Freedom Convoy.
00:48:42.460For those of you that don't know, I'm sorry, I just had something come out there.
00:48:46.280For those of you that don't know, Maggie was at the Freedom Convoy.
00:48:51.000She kneeled on a Canadian flag in front of the police when they pretty much laid siege to all of the Freedom Convoy people in downtown Ottawa.
00:49:04.440You didn't move. You had a gun pulled to your head.
00:49:06.260You testified at the Public Order Emergency Commission.
00:49:10.240you were involved in all of that. So to see all of your friends, Chris, Tamara, Chris Dacey was
00:49:17.860out there. I think you had a couple of folks from Rebel News out there. That must have been kind of
00:49:21.680nice for you. It was always healing to kind of go back to Ottawa and be with such amazing people.
00:49:34.380Um, I just find that whole, uh, even yourself to be really supportive, you know, there's
00:49:42.640people out there that you don't want to tell your plans to, you don't want to say what's
00:49:47.300good in your life too, but the group that, that we we've come together with is, um, just
00:49:55.120amazing people and really good speakers.
00:49:57.560So I know people say I'm a good speaker, but I get inspired every time I hear you speak
00:50:03.420or Chris or Tamara and Chris Daisy, you just put them in front of a camera, that man can speak,
00:50:09.040right? So I just love it. It gives me that courage to keep using my voice and platform for good. And
00:50:16.940yeah, I really enjoyed seeing them. So I hope you have fun on your trip. I know that that is
00:50:25.880one of my favorite things to do is get in a car and go. My second favorite thing to do aside from
00:50:32.640sitting home and writing writing reading watching uh yeah this is good you know
00:50:41.680jim kerr i had him on last week or the week before from the ostrich farm yeah he's a good guy and
00:50:50.160you know he said that because he was a convoy obviously as well that the energy out there
00:50:56.320smacks of the Freedom Convoy. It's not nearly as large, obviously. The population of the farm
00:51:04.240goes up and down on the daily, anywhere between 40 and 100 people. And on weekends, they could
00:51:09.820go up as high as 100. They've got live music there. They're bringing in porta potties. They've
00:51:14.620got barbecues going and all of that. And it's, you know, I want to be a part of that. And you said
00:51:23.180as well on the phone to me last week that you felt drawn to the place for is it the same reason
00:51:27.900you were drawn to ottawa absolutely and there's hot springs all around that area but but think
00:51:36.460about it the people in british columbia and out your way a lot of people couldn't get to ottawa
00:51:44.160right so the fact that this is happening in british columbia it absolutely is a place where
00:51:51.080people can come together what a beautiful time of year stand up for um for our rights and freedoms
00:51:58.720in a different way and really this is where the battle line is like this is a person's property
00:52:04.400this is their livestock and um katie is such a great spokesperson for this cause and they're
00:52:12.640doing everything right in my opinion press releases and so on and i'm not surprised that they
00:52:19.700had positive results by going and speaking to their local council about not allowing these
00:52:27.640birds in their dump and that their council would make some accommodations to at least say we want
00:52:35.860to test the birds first. So again, a local win. Here's the federal government or a weird arm of
00:52:41.840the federal government trying to enforce its policies on the people. And at the end of the
00:52:47.380day if the local municipal government says no you're not using our dump they can't do anything
00:52:55.800without testing they said like well you got to test them for just to prove that they're
00:52:59.700not a health hazard and they don't want to do that right which is excellent news yeah i see you
00:53:05.940as an inspiration for people right like i spent my life doing radio work so this comes naturally to
00:53:13.040me, um, public speaking and just meeting people. I like people in general, but I see people like
00:53:19.980yourself and Katie, you know, you've found your voices and you've managed to get your,
00:53:25.320your message out to people. And did you ever see yourself doing this? You know, five years ago,
00:53:31.420was this ever a thing? So five years ago, I kind of had lost my way. I would say I,
00:53:38.280when i was younger i did have that spark and that energy and i've definitely gotten my spark back
00:53:46.060and um no i mean like public speaking and doing all of this stuff and so when i say found your
00:53:52.060voice i mean when i first and i said this to katie as well when you guys first came on my show
00:53:56.740it seemed like deer in the headlights a little bit because you had no a little bit you hadn't
00:54:01.800been through it right and now you're like a seasoned professional a veteran you come on you
00:54:05.980know your information you know your stuff you're very well spoken with it and i the reason i say
00:54:11.140that is because i want other people to feel inspired by by that and they can find their
00:54:17.900voices as well you know like we got this message tonight from doris over in lloyd minster there
00:54:22.680and you know doris can you can make a difference doris you can right you just need a little push
00:54:30.120in the right direction. What is the biggest obstacle that you find from people who reach
00:54:35.740out to you as to why they can't progress, why they can't move forward and, and do the things
00:54:41.680required to go to their city councils and make their case? I think maybe it's, maybe it's fear
00:54:53.820holding them back a little bit of a fear just pushing through that initial fear and doing it
00:55:00.460once will open the door and you'll see some positive results from it so really just taking
00:55:07.380that first step is is is the way into this whole realm of local civic engagement wins that you will
00:55:17.680have um so yeah fear fear and just realizing that fear is is a good thing it means that you're on
00:55:24.540the verge of doing something important and just to go for it yeah you just got to go for it and
00:55:30.440and for you i guess the moment when you're kneeling on a canadian flag in the streets of ottawa
00:55:37.160with all of those police converging on you one of them pulls a gun points it at your head i mean
00:55:42.060I don't think I could ever imagine a scarier scenario than that.
00:55:46.640So this is nothing doing what you're doing now.
00:55:51.380Almost everything I do now is nothing compared to that moment.