00:13:13.380i don't have anything to juggle uh jokes don't know any um ah there she is let's bring her on
00:13:23.340melissa outwater or as she's known on the petitions melissa ann outwater it's almost like
00:13:31.500john wayne gacy like they always add that middle name to the serial killers or the famous people
00:13:37.880do you go by melissa ann or is it just melissa melissa it's just melissa but you're known as
00:13:44.000melissa ann because you're the author of the you've got to put your middle name down on these
00:13:47.900petitions i assume in order to be a sponsor or author of them yeah well i have to put down my
00:13:52.300legal name so melissa ann outwater but you're melissa okay so thank you for coming on tonight
00:13:58.940we really appreciate this melissa uh we talked about so much in such a short period of time
00:14:04.360this afternoon and i want to get into that as we go further in the show but first when you authored
00:14:10.280the very first petition uh the one that came out i think it was last november november 20th or
00:14:16.060something it only had 30 days to be signed people were going you gotta sign this petition man
00:14:20.400You wound up with 387,000 signatures on that petition, still the most signed petition and probably will remain that way unless this new one beats it.
00:14:31.720387,000 signatures, the record so far.
00:14:36.600Did you think that it was going to go that far?
00:14:39.080No, I thought that I was going to have a hard time getting 500.
00:14:42.740So you need about 500 for them to read it on the floor.
00:14:46.880A lot of MPs won't read them unless there's about 500 signatures.
00:14:51.040And I honestly thought I was going to have a struggle getting the 500.
00:14:55.500So when it took off as quickly as it did, you know, I got a little riddled with anxiety because I thought, oh, no, this thing's gone viral.
00:18:57.540You mentioned that people come to you to talk to you
00:19:03.340and just kind of maybe unload some of their stuff on you.
00:19:08.180You told me about this off show this afternoon
00:19:11.000that you have a group on social media that has been gaining steam,
00:19:15.360and this has been going on since a couple of months after the Freedom Convoy.
00:19:19.000But exactly what is this group and what do you guys do?
00:19:22.640So the group is called Freedom for Unity, Peterborough, Kawartha.
00:19:27.400And when we originally organized this group and put it together, we were doing a lot of events.
00:19:32.740We were traveling all across Ontario and we were bringing convoys across the province every weekend.
00:19:39.640So we were convoying somewhere and our convoys were quite large.
00:19:42.320um you know some of them you know a few hundred vehicles um you know some bigger than that
00:19:48.820depending on the event we were going to in the distance we were going um then as time progressed
00:19:55.020you know people kind of got sad in a way you know they were kind of giving up and we were starting
00:20:03.520to notice like posts that were being made and what reasons melissa were people getting sad was
00:20:08.980because the convoy got defeated by i think yeah i think you know just at every corner when we think
00:20:16.000that we've found a way to be heard or we find a way to get our voices heard at every corner
00:20:23.940somebody shuts the door yeah and doesn't hear them and that gets utterly discouraging and
00:20:31.640disheartening really you know you're you're screaming at the top of your lungs for help
00:20:36.500These people are starving in the streets. They're homeless. You know, even our middle class is now going to food banks like these people are hurting and nobody's hearing them. Nobody.
00:20:49.420Were you at the were you at the Freedom Convoy?
00:20:52.300I went up for, you know, on the weekends.
00:20:54.640I wasn't up there for the week because I did stay working through the week,
00:29:21.140So I knew that there was a big problem in the health care sector.
00:29:25.780And then when I started kind of peeking in on politics, because I didn't follow politics.
00:29:30.600And I'll admit it, I was one of those Canadians that was just very, I guess, ignorant to what was going on in our country because I didn't follow politics.
00:29:38.880Sure, I went and I voted, but I didn't really.
00:29:43.120know what was going on did you ever vote for trudeau absolutely not okay that's great
00:29:49.680so you were say yes you were educated at least to a point where you knew you hated trudeau when
00:29:56.900other people were going oh my god he's here he's here he sucks i love him you know something it
00:30:02.160was that it was that exactly um so when he first ran like the first time and everybody was like oh
00:30:08.900this guy's got such great hair i'm like you guys are gonna pick our prime minister the man's gonna
00:30:14.440run our country because of his hair right this is problematic people this is problematic yeah
00:30:20.440maybe stop and think about it he's a trudeau and then when he hit first his first thing like his
00:30:26.340headlines for his platform was i'm gonna legalize pot and i was like well i'm not a pot smoker so
00:30:31.000bye so when covid hit did you instantly feel hoax or or were you genuinely concerned no i was
00:30:43.400genuinely concerned i i will i will say that and i'm also um i'm also vaccinated um because i did
00:30:49.200work in health care um no i was genuinely concerned i was i was watching some seniors get very very
00:30:55.940ill and i was watching them die um you know and then when we started going into lockdowns
00:31:03.380that was a bit excessive to me i was like um okay like they didn't even lock them down like
00:31:09.060this during tuberculosis outbreak and scarlet fever like what's happening right now um that
00:31:15.940kind of started kind of bobbling around in my head a bit and then when we refused patients to
00:31:24.100see their loved ones the loved ones couldn't come in and they were dying and watching loved ones die
00:31:31.780without their daughters or their sons or their spouses at their side um i thought this isn't
00:31:38.660right this something's not right who who stops a loved one from being there these people are dying
00:31:47.140anyway like what you're afraid they're going to catch a cold they're terminal yeah you kind of
00:31:55.020then things started kind of going around but by then i had already been vaccinated and um were
00:32:00.920you scared to take that shot i was nervous yeah i was nervous um the first one i i was i was nervous
00:32:08.500but i was like you know okay okay you know like because we always have we had to take the flu
00:32:14.220shot and all that and i'm not a big flu shot lover either um when you work in health care you have to
00:32:18.860have all these immunizations um and you know that going into it right um so yes the first one i was
00:32:27.020kind of nervous the second one um i didn't want to get the second one um but i needed my job right
00:32:37.980and then you know and i put it off and put it off and put it off and then the pressure kept coming
00:32:42.460the pressure kept coming and then i was told that i had till the end of the day
00:32:47.980to get my vaccine and that it was just i could just go down the hall and the nurse would give it
00:32:51.740to me and then i was watching psws and nurses leaving the facility they were taking their
00:32:58.540leave of absence and going home to be with their families and um collecting serb you know they're
00:33:04.220they couldn't get daycare for their kids and they couldn't um and all of a sudden it just kind of
00:33:10.060hit me if every nurse in psw walks out this door who's looking after these people
00:33:19.820right nobody there's nobody left that's crazy so i got up and i went and got my second vaccine
00:33:28.940and i thought well i'm not trained but at least i'm here yeah
00:33:33.420uh now mind you not all of them left but it's just the real fear right when you're hearing in
00:33:40.040the news and you're and again mainstream media um you're hearing the news all these nurses that
00:33:45.860are leaving and all these psws and all these doctors that are leaving and and it really does
00:33:52.220instill a fear in you when you work in that industry like oh my goodness i'm not trained
00:33:56.740what if all these people leave and i'm sitting here with all these sick people
00:34:00.660at some point melissa and by the way guys for you joining late uh this is melissa outwater
00:34:07.620she is the author of house of commons petition e-5024 a petition to get rid of the trudeau
00:34:15.520government basically uh please go ahead and sign that when you get the opportunity so when did you
00:34:21.600have your moment i mean there must have been you were at the freedom convoy you were going down
00:34:25.360their weekends but you did get vaccinated so you had a moment there's a moment somewhere there's a
00:34:29.560moment um so it was really when we went into our second lockdown um I was like okay enough this is
00:34:37.060this is this is it I can't I'm not going to tell one more daughter that they're going to look at
00:34:42.980their mother from a window and wave goodbye to her I'm not this is ridiculous something's going
00:34:48.660on this isn't right I can't do this anymore and I got up from my desk and I walked out the door
00:34:52.980and by the grace of god the freedom convoy came in um you know and then i started doing a little
00:35:01.360bit more homework and a little bit more digging and then i started asking more questions i can't
00:35:06.360went online and i found some people that were looking into the vaccines and um the lockdowns
00:35:13.880and the covid policies and the rules and and what covid actually was um you know and i talked to um
00:35:20.860a family member of mine that's also a nurse and she's like this is ridiculous absolutely ridiculous
00:35:27.660and then i said we're in big trouble what kind of trouble how far down the rabbit hole did you fall
00:35:36.380initially i went pretty far i'm not gonna lie i went pretty far and i mean i went to the part
00:35:44.300where we were all gonna die and then i had to bring myself back up a little bit i was like
00:35:49.900okay you're in way too deep now well there's a few different rabbit holes though right like i i
00:35:54.640remember my first one my first rabbit hole i should write a kid's book um it was a friend of
00:36:02.120mine called me up and said you know this is not what it seems and i had just spent two hours on
00:36:09.140the phone talking somebody off the ledge who thought i'm gonna be stuck in spain for the next
00:36:14.060two years they're like people are dying in the streets and i said don't worry it's not that bad
00:36:18.080It's not, this is not going to happen.
00:36:20.180Another friend of mine, just after that call,
00:40:20.880like it's like it's like they're like onions right and they have to peel through all these
00:40:24.020layers to get to the root of the actual piece of legislation that justin and uh jagmeet are trying
00:40:29.320to put through so they're just constantly distracted by all this other stuff that i don't
00:40:36.520think that they they have a moment to even delve into the real issues and the root of it all look
00:40:44.380at this there's a guy called greg who's watching the show right now and he says come on can't tell
00:40:48.200me they don't know shadow greg i am telling you yeah i don't think they do some of them don't
00:40:54.320know now there's leslund lewis who has put out a petition or sponsored a petition to get
00:40:59.880canada out of the united nations and that sounded kind of extreme to many people but to people like
00:41:06.080us who are in the know we know what's going on with the united nations we know what they're
00:41:10.820trying to do um it makes perfect sense right so and it's just like i mean when that petition was
00:41:20.660out i got a lot of messages about that petition um do i sign this what does this mean um if we
00:41:28.680leave the un what does that mean for canada what did you tell people when they were asking you this
00:41:33.720I said freedom. I said, I don't want to tell anybody to sign anything that they don't fully understand. When you're signing these petitions, it's very important that you fully understand the gravity of what the petition is asking.
00:41:56.280your name is going on these things um so you know i just say you know like well what does the un mean
00:42:03.700to you like have you done your homework do you know what the un is like what why it was formed
00:42:08.540what its job is what they do how much money they get from member nations each and every year like
00:42:15.280billions of dollars this is an overblown bloated organization that yeah sure there's some good
00:42:22.040things it does but it also controls the world health organization that tried to pass a global
00:42:27.960pandemic health treaty so that they would have complete control over every single nation on the
00:42:33.180planet when it comes to a pandemic which they can call at any time they want oh you know what there's
00:42:38.740a blow we're gonna call a pandemic alert and then we all have to do what they tell us to do
00:42:43.360we can't travel we can't do this a lot of people you know messaging me and call me saying hey like
00:42:48.560you know, I'm against this whole thing. Like, you know, the UN is great. I'm like, okay,
00:42:56.840but why? I mean, I want to hear you out. And I, I'm not going to disagree that the idea
00:43:02.940of the UN is great. Um, what it was originally designed to do was a good idea,
00:43:11.700but what it's turned into and how it's now manipulating every other country and how it's
00:43:20.860kind of taking over really um it's manipulating our prime ministers and our presidents around the
00:43:26.440world um no i don't agree with that and neither should you hey melissa do you know uh colleen
00:43:34.640branzy okay colleen uh is vaccine injured she's also a nurse and she's written here in the comments
00:43:42.140uh she means to say melissa here it says alissa she corrects herself uh in the very next comment
00:43:47.320but she says i'll help you enlighten michelle you can do have you ever thought to because i i know
00:43:55.800that you guys aren't best friends you and michelle um yeah yeah she's your mp but have you've sat with
00:44:03.240her you've had conversations with her have you ever thought to maybe try and go a little deeper
00:44:08.480with her on this has the opportunity ever arisen where you might go hmm she's ready to hear this
00:44:15.020we've had a couple conversations where um she's asked a couple questions i've been like oh is
00:44:22.300this my moment um do i do i start sliding in all all the stuff um but i i firmly believe that you
00:44:33.560know people need to know when the time is right for them um if i start throwing and hammering all
00:44:42.980this information at her um that's when people start to kind of back away and we start to sound
00:44:48.300like conspiracy theorists um and then they start to like not trust us right and so i just don't
00:44:55.580i don't like to push stuff on like even my neighbors i have my one neighbor she's very
00:45:00.780very much liberal um she loves justin very much and and her dental care um that she's got um you
00:45:12.220know and every once in a while she'll ask me a question and i i'll honestly answer her but then
00:45:18.060I can see her eyes and it's almost like fear. There's almost a fear that comes for some
00:45:27.540people. They don't want to know because if they learn it, they can't unlearn it. And
00:45:34.720then that means that they've been lied to and the person that they trusted so, so much
00:45:41.380has betrayed them um and that's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of the liberal supporters
00:45:48.660especially our seniors um you know they've been voting that way since the beginning of time
00:45:54.000so you can you can see it in their in their face and i um i mean if they come and ask questions
00:46:01.220i'm more than happy to share as much information with them as i can until their eyes floss over
00:46:05.540and then they're not listening anymore but have you ever seen anybody have that dr strange moment
00:46:10.760where it's like yeah yeah we had there was a girl that came up to one of the events and i want to
00:46:19.500say it was in toronto that we went up to and she just happened to be walking through queen's park
00:46:24.640and um she started asking everybody a bunch of questions about why were we here and what's with
00:46:29.800all how come nobody here liked trudeau what was going on and what's with all the rude flags and
00:46:35.500um you know a couple of people who were standing there i'm sorry i'm sorry hold on just when you
00:46:42.420say rude flags i mean to people like us when we see those f trudeau flags it's like just looking
00:46:47.440at a couch or a pair of shoes it's just normal right and they walk up and they see this and
00:46:51.980they go oh my god that's so offensive yeah yeah so i i kind of was like off to the side a little
00:46:59.260and i'm listening to her and she's and and the freedom fighters that were she was asking they
00:47:05.080were almost like deers caught in the headlights they were like i'm sorry what like what are you
00:47:10.280asking me yeah um so they started kind of you know like hey like did you hear about the convoy and
00:47:16.360she was like what convoy what's a convoy and then there's the truckers that went to ottawa
00:47:21.880and she's like i heard something about that but didn't they all get arrested
00:47:25.400oh my god you know some people just still don't know it's so bizarre that the biggest protest
00:47:37.480and rising in canadian history really and some people are just absolutely unaware that it even
00:47:45.160happened therefore us out there running around with these rude flags right right they don't
00:47:52.860understand they don't know so there is still a lot of work to do on getting the word out um i just
00:47:59.520urge to err with caution when you're doing it because you don't want again to push somebody
00:48:04.880over the edge either right what do you think the signs are that somebody's ready like is it when
00:48:10.280they come and ask you okay what's really going on or do you have to like notice like you spend a
00:48:17.060couple of days with the person you know and go huh they might be ready now or after a drink or
00:48:22.580something you know like no it's never gonna work that maybe after a joint alcohol is never a good
00:48:30.020mixture um i think really it's when you start so when you start going to events that i'm sure
00:48:36.180you've been to a few and you've had people on i'm sure all the the viewers that are watching tonight
00:48:40.720can contest this as well you get to see all the faces um you might not meet them all um and you
00:48:48.240might not know them on a personal level but when i go to events i recognize the people they're all
00:48:54.320the same people so when there's a new person they stand out like a sore thumb like we notice
00:49:00.580like hey that person's new and then you'll see a new member pop up and then you go and check
00:49:07.800their profile and it's hey it's that person that was at that event um so now things are clicking
00:49:13.380Now they're curious, and they're asking questions, and they want to know, and that's your moment.
00:49:19.360But hunting them down and stuff is not a good approach, I don't think.
00:49:27.980When we first started doing it, we were out there on the streets pounding the pavement, and we were like, hey, you need to hear what we're saying, and you need to.
00:49:36.360And we were handing out flyers and papers everywhere.
01:10:31.580Now, this was despite the fact that what we were doing was not illegal, and despite the fact that all activity related to Northern Perspective was on my private time, on my own equipment, and done anonymously.
01:10:58.360This was despite the fact that I had a distinguished performance record.
01:11:06.120This was an impossible choice for me and our family.
01:11:10.980As many of you know, I am the sole income earner in our household.
01:11:16.160We also have a young autistic son whose therapies are expensive and were being funded by the additional income we earned through Northern Perspective.
01:11:25.600we have always stood for the right to speak freely to criticize when necessary and to hold our
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01:11:39.140corruption and fox and i believe that we fulfill this duty through our work with northern perspective
01:11:45.000so on one hand i have my job with the government that is paying for our bills paying for our
01:11:53.360mortgage, paying for all of the other things that Canadians have to pay for, except twice as much
01:11:59.380under Trudeau. And then we have all of the expenses related to my son's therapy that Northern
01:12:06.020Perspective pays for. So really, what was the choice? It was Cease Northern Perspective, which
01:12:16.240Yes, it helps contribute to the therapy funding for my son, but it also helps to expose the corruption of this liberal NDP government.
01:12:28.140It serves to educate Canadians on Parliament.
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01:13:28.860Canadians should not be afraid of losing their jobs just for speaking out against our government.
01:13:33.800It is the right and it is the duty of every Canadian citizen to speak out against corruption wherever they see it, even in the most top levels of government.
01:13:43.800You know, one thing that we've learned in our journey in Northern Perspective is that we never thought we would end up building a community ourselves.
01:13:58.620And it's a community of people who thought they were alone.
01:14:03.380They thought they were alone in, you know, seeing what was going on with this country.
01:14:08.620and it's it's it's citizens canada's citizens that is our biggest strength
01:14:19.300not not the borders not not the land that we live on it's the people
01:14:26.320and there are millions of people across this country that believe in free speech that believe
01:14:36.980in freedom from government and we couldn't sit idly by and worry about this happening to another
01:14:45.720canadian family another canadian family who has to choose between providing their son with therapy
01:14:52.460or the job that is providing for that family that is not a fair choice
01:14:59.060and nobody nobody should be forced to make that choice