00:03:39.680This is Shadow at Night for Tuesday, February the 13th, 2024.
00:03:43.440Special guest on the show tonight, Canadian Forces veteran Eddie Cornell.
00:03:50.020This is going to be a monumental show tonight, you guys.
00:03:53.260He is one of the four plaintiffs, I suppose you could say, who was on the lawsuit against the federal government regarding the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which was declared illegal just a couple of weeks ago by a federal court justice in Canada.
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00:08:43.020you can't hear me oh he's going to pop out and pop back in let's see if this works out
00:08:53.100always frustrating when we're doing live tv and something like this happens but
00:09:00.140it's worth the wait for a guy like you know this chair
00:09:04.940all right let's see if it works this time hello eddie hi hey there you are i don't know what
00:09:10.620happened. That's happened twice where the sound completely cut out. Interesting. Were you jiggling
00:09:15.620any wires? Anything wonky? I didn't touch anything. No. Because the other people are listening in, you never know. Oh, you know, CSIS guys watching us. Our every move. We did this sound check before we started tonight. I insisted on it because I wanted to make sure that everybody could hear you because you've got a lot of important things to say. And then we had this. Anyway, welcome to the show. Thank you for coming on tonight on short notice. Really appreciate you being
00:09:40.600here my friend thank you thanks shadow okay so eddie tomorrow it occurs to me is a very grim day
00:09:46.760in canadian history it's going to be the second anniversary of the invocation of the sorry the
00:09:52.600illegal invocation of the emergencies act can you take us right back to that actually you know what
00:09:59.880before we even do that can you give us a history of your career in the in the armed forces and i
00:10:05.160tell you why i ask because anytime i've got a veteran on the show i want to hear all about
00:10:09.720their service. It really interests me because it shows a genuine love for the country.
00:10:15.360Well, I joined the military in 1975. I did 22 years service as a gunner. That's in the combat
00:10:23.040arms trade. I was posted, you know, many places across the country, overseas. I did a tour at
00:10:28.160Cyprus. I'm a recipient of the Medal of Bravery and, you know, just did a lot of NATO exercises
00:10:36.040at different stages throughout my career.
00:11:01.140They're losing 19% more than they can recruit right now.
00:11:05.400i think that pretty much says it all yeah and i know that you probably don't like to speak ill
00:11:11.000of the forces you served for so long but so many of you guys have been speaking out about this
00:11:16.280nonsense and it almost seems like it's by design here and the reason i say almost is because i know
00:11:24.500there's certain ai algorithms listening to me right now at least on the facebook channel that
00:11:29.640we're broadcasting on but you guys know what i mean when i say that uh it seems like they're
00:11:34.100definitely trying deliberately to divide this country even further and through our military,
00:11:40.020which is absolutely inexcusable. They've done a pretty good job at it so far. But, you know,
00:11:45.980a lot of the, I don't speak for all the veterans out there. There's, you know, as a result of the
00:11:50.500trucker convoy, five of us formed Veterans for Freedom. You know, it's a group of veterans,
00:11:55.960both 3,500 strong across the country that feel, you know, our government has taken the country in a
00:12:00.900wrong direction. And, you know, they're trampling people's rights. And, you know, we just stand up
00:12:07.200and act as a shield for people that are being, you know, persecuted by government. And we help
00:12:12.280out other veterans that are experiencing problems. And yeah, it's, you know, it's pretty systemic
00:12:17.560in the forces right now. And I think it's by design, just like the division they're having
00:12:22.500in society, where they're pitting, you know, one side of a particular scenario against the other.
00:12:29.340And I don't know if we're ever going to be able to close that divide without some divine intervention, I suppose.
00:12:35.000You know some of the stories about Canadian Forces members who were mistreated for not taking the vaccine during their service before they were asked to leave.
00:12:46.920Without talking out of school or naming names, can you give us a couple of examples of those?
00:12:51.700Because I know there's a lawyer who's representing them right now who gave some absolutely abysmal examples of how these guys were treated.
00:12:58.920Like, in some cases, they were left outside for hours on end and in the winter treated like lepers, maligned, you know.
00:15:48.160So, you know, I was participating in rallies all over Ontario,
00:15:51.520wherever, you know, I guess wherever the rallies were.
00:15:56.640And, you know, Otenalmer with Pastor Hildebrand and just, you know,
00:16:01.940Kitchener and Toronto and many different places.
00:16:05.200And, you know, I guess really what was happening is you'd show up to the rallies and it's, you know, the same 10,000 people and it wasn't growing in numbers.
00:23:51.900In this case, it was protect the citizens, be a shield, and they can.
00:23:57.240And so as time went on, and not too much time, because, you know, we're thinking, you know,
00:24:03.240back then it was only a matter of three weeks that the convoy was in Ottawa, even though
00:24:07.580at the time it was going on, it felt longer for some reason.
00:24:10.700I don't know why that is to those of us who weren't there.
00:24:13.320We had one happening in Winnipeg, a much smaller version of it.
00:24:16.420But you became involved in the leadership groups, correct?
00:24:23.580I did. Yeah, I was taken into the inner circle of the of the leadership and, you know, basically offered my services like myself, anything that I could do to help out, you know, if it meant cleaning toilets, if it meant, you know, run and fuel, anything, anything that I could do and strategize with them.
00:24:43.640i was there to do it and uh it was a great experience i got to work alongside of some
00:24:49.320really terrific people and we're talking people like tom marazzo and and chris barber tamara leach
00:24:55.320those folks you're going to be seeing tamara pretty soon as well for an event i i hear yes
00:24:59.240yeah this weekend yeah so then the emergencies act gets invoked right from you what what did
00:25:08.120you see from your with your military experience did you see this coming like did you guys feel
00:25:13.320it coming because i the reason i ask that is because a video popped up on my facebook uh
00:25:18.500yesterday or today and it was i think it was tom morazzo talking about a bad feeling in the air
00:25:26.580and there was i i remember feeling that even from here i went oh something bad is happening just
00:25:34.560from the way the independent media was responding uh the way they were talking uh so can you take
00:25:41.120us through how it felt in the days leading up. Sure. Initially, you know, when the Freedom Convoy
00:25:46.260was there, the Ottawa Police Service, they were great. You know, they, they were polite, respectful,
00:25:54.460you know, showed their presence, but didn't show, you know, that sort of overreach and heavy handedness.
00:26:04.180And then all of a sudden you saw those guys sort of pulled out and a new wave of police starting to make their way into Ottawa.0.99
00:26:16.740And a lot of these guys gave gave you the look when they look you in the eye like I'm going to kick your butt when I get the chance.0.99
00:26:25.620That was that was the feeling I got. And they brought, you know, just that unspoken hostility.0.99
00:26:33.900you could see it in their face and just their demeanor and you know by the time uh the emergency
00:26:40.540act uh was actually implemented um yeah you knew what they were about to do you've been involved
00:26:49.500you've been involved in peacekeeping uh before correct in deployments yeah so have you ever
00:26:55.820had to get in the way of factions warring in the streets yeah
00:27:53.840You knew that they were probably a problem.
00:27:56.540Every few days they'd pop up and do something radical.
00:27:59.440But these guys must have known that these are just regular, ordinary people, unless somebody was whipping them into a frenzy, right?
00:28:08.280Well, I think what happens, you know, from a, you know, I guess, a backroom type of scenario for them, is that they choose certain people that want to do this type of thing, you know, in crowd control and, you know, aid to the civil power, that sort of thing.
00:28:28.580so they pump these guys up these guys are terrorists these guys you know you you can
00:28:34.900understand the how the media was pumping it their own police uh leaders and supervisors are pumping
00:28:40.380these people are there's probably guns there's probably this there's probably that so when we
00:28:45.280go in we're going to go in hard and getting them all pumped up so they you know they're ready to
00:28:49.960really bust some heads when they get in there and you could see it i mean they they were primed
00:28:55.240ready to rock and it didn't matter that they saw grandma standing in front of them they were told
00:29:01.000these people are terrorists and it's an occupation and they're there to shut it down and they'll do
00:29:07.120whatever it takes to do that and if it means beating veterans and taking them out in the0.99
00:29:11.960middle of nowhere and dropping them off and minus 25 beating grandmothers and grandpas and women
00:29:17.140and you know people that are offering no violence and other than kind words that's what they were
00:29:23.980going to do no matter what that's a form of brainwashing the form of brainwashing wouldn't
00:29:28.960you say it was yeah it was conditioning you know um it's really not that hard to do you know when
00:29:37.120when you have your superiors and you're being you know um i guess in enveloped in tactical
00:29:45.140information and they're pumping you full of things that you know through their intelligence uh
00:29:50.440networks that the people are doing this and there's potential for this potential for that
00:29:55.260none of it was true but they wanted to you know permeate that through the ranks so that these
00:30:00.820guys were ready to get in there and just lay it down and lay it down hard and everybody saw it
00:30:06.960the world saw it it exposed them as tyrants and people committed no acts of violence it was
00:30:14.020unbelievable the people did not fight back and that said everything it really did it showed the
00:30:21.020world we we heard stories of of people dropping to their knees i think maggie braun was one of
00:30:31.460those women with one of her friends with a canadian flag draped over that's right begging
00:30:36.380begging them to not proceed forward um did did you see that happening were you on the ground
00:30:42.780did you see it for his tent yep and you know everybody probably saw the video as well of
00:30:48.760Chris Deering um I don't know if you know Chris's story but Chris was a lone survivor of a roadside
00:30:56.740bomb all of his crew was killed except him he was severely injured he was on the line between
00:31:03.120the people and the police acting as a shield and he was communicating with the police in front of
00:31:08.920him and he said, you know, if you want to arrest me, I'm going to go peacefully. All I ask is you
00:31:13.780don't hurt me. I'm an injured veteran. Um, just don't hurt me. He was one of the first people
00:31:19.520they grabbed, kneed him in the stomach, threw him to the ground and three big guys put the boots to
00:31:25.080him. And there's video to show that was disgusting. Um, there are also stories of cops peeling off0.91
00:31:33.300the line because they couldn't believe what they were doing i'm not sure if that's true
00:31:38.340i i because these are people who were there i mean when you're there in that moment you're
00:31:44.360face to face on that line with these guys yeah your adrenaline is pumping maybe you're not seeing
00:31:49.960things all that clearly uh have you heard stories like that of cops just dropping off the line only
00:31:55.300to be replaced by these dead-eyed guys that came in behind them yeah i walked the line i was i
00:32:01.180walked in front of the police and you know I looked every one of them on the front lines in0.99
00:32:05.080the eyes and you know you could see the ones that wanted to kick your butt but I saw some0.82
00:32:10.240in the secondary line they were crying and you could tell they didn't want to be there and a0.98
00:32:17.960couple of them one passed out that I saw and they you know moved out several others that just
00:32:24.880seemed to emotionally not be able to cope with it so yeah there was some of them that were
00:32:31.500struggling but it was the guys in the green suits I don't know if you've seen those the green
00:32:36.640riot control gear those were the guys that were most I guess the most harsh of all
00:32:42.720they all were but those guys in particular very cold expressions on their faces
00:32:51.880I don't know much about those guys, but yeah, those were the ones that everybody talks about.
00:33:00.140Having already established that you've been involved in situations like this in other countries before,
00:33:05.860I would imagine that you were able to observe this with more clear eyes than an average Canadian person
00:33:11.940who maybe works as a nurse or a garbage man or a truck driver or whatever it is.
00:33:18.100But even still, it must have been overwhelming for you as a Canadian.
00:33:21.880who fought for our country, who represented our country,
00:33:26.120who served our country, to see that happening in the nation's capital.
00:36:01.360And we talked with the legal team, and we went ahead with it.
00:36:05.080And, you know, we had initially five people.
00:36:08.300We had Kristen Nagel, of course. We had retired pastor, military pastor, Harold Reisdow, Jeremiah Jost, retired police officer, OPP, Vince Gerseys and myself.
00:36:21.080When the actual trial was taking place, only Vincent and myself actually ended up having standing because we were the last two or the only two in that group that had their bank accounts frozen.
00:36:34.720and so you were personally financially affected by what happened with the
00:36:41.380emergencies act whereas the others weren't is that correct exactly they
00:36:45.960weren't affected financially with their bank accounts frozen yeah they were they
00:36:50.980were not given standing for the case so what was the process like then to go
00:36:56.440through once that was filed was there a lot of meetings where it was there a lot
00:37:00.520to hurry up and wait uh was there just months on end where you could forget about it and live your
00:37:06.300life all the above yeah yeah um we had a lot of meetings we had a lot of discussions about it
00:37:14.280um there was a lot of things that needed to be submitted and then finally you know it got a
00:37:21.600court date and the court date was the third and the fifth of april third to the fifth of april in
00:37:28.460um, 2023. And that's when we gave our depositions via zoom, um, for the case.
00:37:36.860You told me something interesting about their first questions to you earlier in our phone call
00:37:42.380this afternoon. I thought it was kind of funny. Um, because your, your sworn affidavit had already
00:37:48.080been logged in as a, an exhibit for the case, correct? It was. Yeah. Okay. So let's have a
00:37:54.660look at it. Here is the sworn affidavit of Edward Cornell. He is our guest tonight, by
00:38:00.460the way, in case you guys are coming in here late and wondering, who is this guy? He's
00:38:04.460one of the guys who was the plaintiffs in the case against the federal government of
00:38:07.940Canada regarding the legality of the Emergencies Act. And as you know, that ruling came down
00:38:13.940a couple of weeks ago, and we win. It was illegal. But here's just a couple of points
00:38:21.000from from eddie's sworn affidavit i am one of the named applicants herein and as such i have
00:38:26.640personal knowledge of the facts and matters here and i'm 64 i'm a retired member of the canadian
00:38:30.840armed forces established on june 15 1987 i received a medal of bravery awarded by the
00:38:37.020secretary to the governor general for recognition of an act of bravery in hazardous circumstances
00:38:42.460during active duty in le masol cyprus attached marked here to his exhibit b there's a copy of
00:38:50.640the medal. You were an auxiliary police officer with the OPP from 2013 to 2015. You had limited
00:38:57.940involvement with the Freedom Convoy initially, but then your involvement started to grow as you've
00:39:02.300pointed out here. But what I like at the end is when you say, I am not a terrorist. I am not a
00:39:12.400criminal. It's my opinion and belief that my role in the protests was peaceful and the atmosphere
00:39:17.940was one of solidarity amongst my fellow Canadian citizens.
00:39:36.860is it not true that you're a white supremacist and a Nazi?0.99
00:39:47.940Like, you know what? I can see that as political talking points because Trudeau was doing that, right? I mean, we've seen multiple interviews, you know, what was it? What was it he said about the minority of people? Small minority with unacceptable views or fringe minority with unacceptable views.0.99
00:40:07.260What do we do with these people? He said in that French language interview in Quebec, I mean, he said all kinds of horrible things about us. They even said, they didn't say Nazis, but they said Nazi flags were waved, Confederate flags were waved. And that's a political thing.
00:40:25.300I mean, he did that during the election, the last election, to try and gain votes, which sadly he won.
00:40:31.740But he was even using that language and members of his party ministers in the House of Commons and to the Marxist corporate media.
00:40:39.960But you don't expect to hear that from lawyers.
00:40:44.740I mean, we're talking about a court setting here where people are supposed to be dealing in facts and the truth.
00:40:53.740so when they ask you that like did you start laughing
00:40:57.180no on the inside yeah you know like and then it just proceeded from there to be
00:41:06.460well you know um there was nazi flags and confederate flags what's your comment on that
00:41:13.420i said i don't have a comment on that and they said well you must have seen the news articles
00:41:18.240I said, no, I didn't watch any media, so I had no idea about Nazi flags or Confederate flags in Ottawa.
00:44:28.960he gave even-handed sort of uh... lectures to both sides
00:44:32.780But what I noticed is when I noticed was when one of the lawyers on the team, Blair Ector, they were talking about the freezing of bank accounts.
00:44:41.220And, you know, he kind of made the face while it was only for a week, you know, or five days or whatever it was.
00:44:48.280He goes that, you know, that's not really a big deal.
00:44:52.520So Blair, very tactfully, and he said, that is not a long time, Your Honor.