The Shadoe Davis Show - Shadoe at Nite w⧸special guests lawyers Derek From and Nicholas Wansbutter

00:00:00.000 oh hey

00:00:02.760 how are you guys doing welcome to the shadow at night live stream this is

00:00:09.760 thursday september the 2nd 2021 a couple of special guests uh legal eagles on the show

00:00:15.820 tonight nicholas wansbutter out of stratford ontario and derek from out of calgary we're

00:00:20.440 going to talk to them both at the same time tonight on the show of course this is the eve

00:00:25.720 of the big vaccine passport celebration for the people on the other side tomorrow i guess tomorrow

00:00:33.460 at midnight so or is it tomorrow at noon i can't even remember now i'm just too scared to read this

00:00:39.280 but um tomorrow at some point people like us people who are not fully vaccinated who haven't

00:00:46.460 got the vaccine passport will not be allowed anywhere except maybe grocery stores and certain

00:00:52.280 other places that are not advertising they're not going to be asking for the vaccine passport

00:00:56.800 passport sorry but they they will be doing it because they don't want to they don't want to

00:01:03.480 shut out their longtime clientele which in some cases could be their family their longtime friends

00:01:10.760 and neighbors their partners that's what this is doing that's what the government has done here

00:01:18.220 they have separated almost everything in our lives so when when you're facing a branch 0.99

00:01:25.720 covidian on the other side of things try to understand that they unless they're completely 1.00

00:01:34.660 dedicated to the pandemic unless they worship the pandemic unless they are absolutely and

00:01:39.020 totally hypnotized and you can't have a rational conversation with them and there are many out

00:01:43.160 there like that if you're talking to anybody else about this stuff just say look man we're not

00:01:52.420 enemies the government is the one that did this to us and they're the ones that need to hear from us

00:01:58.100 and that's why the rally happened yesterday and that's why there will be more rallies to come

00:02:03.440 even though Brent Rusin said today that he is reducing crowd size allotments or allowances

00:02:11.180 from 1500 to 500 we have to keep people safe that's what he said today of course it was

00:02:18.520 because of the rally yesterday but he would never admit that all right what else we got on the show

00:02:25.460 tonight um we have an old story that goes back to last october remember all the consternation

00:02:34.060 here in manitoba when there was a camp being constructed i think it was up near swan river

00:02:40.920 people were going what the hell is this is this one of those internment camps we've been hearing

00:02:44.800 about and they explained it away well we're going to bring that story back tonight for a different

00:02:49.400 reason because everybody by now has seen that video that happened or that popped up i think

00:02:55.360 online last week the guy who drives to the middle of bc and then he shoots video of what looks like

00:03:00.820 some kind of weird isolation camp you can't really explain it away as anything else

00:03:08.440 and there have been several sightings of these sorts of structures in many provinces over the

00:03:14.840 past few weeks and people are worried so we're going to bring up the old story and see exactly

00:03:20.940 how they explained it away back then um what else do we got canada wants to start vaccinating

00:03:29.400 children under 12 by early next year so i'm going to talk to our our two legal eagles about all this

00:03:36.480 up tonight here is uh derek from from calgary hello derek and thank you for joining us tonight

00:03:41.400 really appreciate and nicholas wandsbutter of wandsbutter law in stratford ontario and also

00:03:46.420 the host of the don't talk tv podcast which is available on all the big platforms thanks for

00:03:52.740 coming on tonight you guys derek and oh i know you've been up early derek you've been taking

00:03:57.140 consultations for weeks and weeks and nicholas you've been working for 13 straight hours usually

00:04:01.640 you've got the bow tie on, but tonight you've taken it off. I took it off after my last meeting,

00:04:06.980 which ended about five seconds before you started the intro to your show. Well, thanks for coming

00:04:12.120 on both of you guys tonight. Have you, I know Nicholas, that you have expanded your practice

00:04:17.760 to include, is it constitutional or employment law? Both. I mean, I'm expecting to do whatever

00:04:24.840 I need to do to fight this. And how many consultations have you been doing since you

00:04:30.920 expanded well it i just sent the the email to my insurance insurance provider earlier this week so

00:04:38.820 today's basically been the day i i've kind of lost track of how many i've done and you probably got

00:04:44.540 way more on the docket too and derek you've been doing this for weeks and weeks and weeks now

00:04:48.580 are you guys dealing mostly with local clients or are you taking them from all across the country

00:04:53.320 well for me uh it's because i uh i made this known on twitter so it was all across the country

00:05:02.980 but they i did specify in my original tweet that probably calgary area would be most convenient

00:05:08.980 right and uh so it's been mostly in alberta but bc has been represented saskatchewan and manitoba

00:05:18.040 and ontario and some in the maritimes too and it's it's really difficult to provide advice to

00:05:26.220 people in all the various contexts i've heard and not not being able to provide them with advice

00:05:32.280 specific to their province and sticking to this very general level but uh it's still it's i think

00:05:39.380 most people are are very grateful to have someone to talk to them about it and someone they can

00:05:45.220 trust but also someone who isn't gonna sugarcoat anything for them and give them like some solid

00:05:53.860 device that they can rely on even if it is very general what about you nicholas uh today was your

00:05:59.220 pretty much your first day of taking the consults on this kind of thing uh people from ontario

00:06:03.720 mostly are you getting yeah it it's pretty much all ontario i've frankly been prioritizing ontario

00:06:09.780 And I've been anyone from, well, anyone from Alberta, I've been trying to refer to Derek.

00:06:15.060 Yeah, right, right.

00:06:16.860 You know, I'll tell you, the reason I ask, guys, is simply because I haven't been able to find anybody here in Manitoba who has been willing to take a case on like this or even come on the show and talk about it.

00:06:27.180 And I've got several viewers who are worried because they're being threatened by their workplaces, by their employer, that they're going to lose their jobs if they don't get double jabbed by a certain date.

00:06:39.180 And that data is fast approaching. And we're not talking about just federal employees or even federally regulated employees.

00:06:44.040 We're talking about people who work for private firms and they're terrified.

00:06:48.280 I mean, we're talking about people who have been at a place for 25 years.

00:06:51.620 This is their their sole stream of income for the household.

00:06:55.480 So this is what's paying their mortgage. This is what's putting food on the table.

00:06:59.260 And yet, for some reason, it seems like Manitoba lawyers are completely and totally MIA in this situation,

00:07:06.240 except for one guy not in Winnipeg but he is he is now starting to try and amass

00:07:11.640 from what I hear some kind of a class action lawsuit I don't know exactly what he's aiming

00:07:18.860 at because there's so many different statutes and laws that are being broken in my opinion but

00:07:22.640 let's start off with this question here we had a huge protest like many other cities in Canada did

00:07:28.640 yesterday all worldwide as a matter of fact it was the worldwide walkout and so I'm going to say

00:07:34.000 About a thousand people showed up in front of the health sciences center downtown here yesterday.

00:07:38.380 We stayed peacefully for a couple of hours.

00:07:40.680 We marched from one side of the street down the street and back up the adjoining street.

00:07:46.580 We talked to people by a microphone.

00:07:49.640 It was a very pleasant day.

00:07:53.100 Now, what you got from the other side, including the left wing corporate media, was a wild anti-vaxxing racist crowd gathers in front of hospitals.

00:08:04.000 blocking uh ambulance access to the right so that's what it came off like and there was a

00:08:09.360 bunch of arguments between what i call the branch covidians and our side of things the critical

00:08:14.660 thinkers and the argument they're using is as we say discrimination we talk about this vaccine

00:08:20.820 passport that's coming in tomorrow uh we're saying well you're discriminating clearly discriminating

00:08:25.660 against people you're dividing society into two different groups and they say well it's just an

00:08:30.180 inconvenience. If you can't take a little inconvenience, then you're just an

00:08:34.160 entitled pig. Seriously, that is a tweet that I got today. I'm not even shitting 0.99

00:08:38.140 you about that. So what is the definition,

00:08:42.200 the legal definition, we'll start with you, Nicholas, of discrimination?

00:08:48.460 The legal, I mean, the definition

00:08:50.420 of discrimination is treating someone differently because of

00:08:54.440 some identifiable factor about them.

00:08:57.240 now we're not identifiable like to the naked eye right well that and yeah that's the argument a lot

00:09:04.100 of people use right because people will i'll i'll make the um the argument that this is like

00:09:10.340 apartheid where you've got the people of color they have their part of town the white people

00:09:16.720 have their part of town or you know you're not allowed to go to the certain to the certain

00:09:20.080 restaurant or the bus and they'll say oh well that's comparing apples to oranges because that's

00:09:25.360 an identifiable thing and you can change whether you're vaccinated or not but like well what because

00:09:29.860 you have the ability to change something that makes it okay to discriminate against someone

00:09:33.160 i mean and that's that doesn't have a basis in law because arguably you can change your religion

00:09:38.720 yet it's protected directly in the chart of rights and freedoms that you have the right to freedom of

00:09:43.720 of religion you have freedom of expression freedom of belief those are things that you can change so

00:09:49.120 just because it's not necessarily something you're born with doesn't mean that it's it's okay to

00:09:55.000 discriminate against someone for that and give them unequal treatment under the law i mean that's

00:10:00.640 what we're really talking about here is unequal treatment under the law which is guaranteed by

00:10:06.320 section 15 of the charter what about you derek yeah i he's exactly right it's it's that sort of

00:10:14.280 frustrating argument that human rights lawyers actually had to deal with early on in uh under

00:10:20.060 our human rights legislation that's basically throughout the whole country and at the federal

00:10:24.460 level and it's it's something called pigeonholing in some ways because you're mentioning how it's

00:10:29.020 oh it's just a little inconvenience here and there and uh the concept of pigeonholing is kind

00:10:34.380 of analogous to that um so let's say let's say an employee comes to you uh or someone comes to you

00:10:41.660 to ask for a job and you refuse to hire them not because they're a woman not because um they're

00:10:47.340 Swedish and you really dislike Swedes. And we're just adding it up. Keep adding it up. And then 0.58

00:10:55.600 that individual doesn't get the job because there's four or five characteristics that they

00:11:00.020 had that you just didn't like. Right. And so then they go off to a human rights commission and they

00:11:06.040 say, well, he discriminated against me because of my religion. Well, actually, religion was only a

00:11:11.860 very small factor. Well, then it was my Swedish heritage. Well, that was just a small factor.

00:11:17.700 Well, it turns out those things can together add up to a real case of discrimination that

00:11:22.140 prevented someone from getting a job. But if you just look at the individual characteristics in

00:11:27.420 isolation, it's like piling straws on a camel's back. Eventually that camel's back will break.

00:11:34.320 But when you just look at the straws themselves, then you don't really get a full picture of what's

00:11:40.020 going on. So when someone says, Hey, it's just a small inconvenience. Well, I can't go to the

00:11:44.960 theater. I can't go to restaurants. I can't go to a concert. I might not be able to go watch my kids

00:11:50.740 play hockey. Well, that's something that people are really worried about here. You know,

00:11:55.920 society. Sorry, let me break in there though. I mean, minor inconvenience. I mean, people are

00:12:02.520 going to be losing their livelihoods. People are going to lose jobs that they've invested blood,

00:12:07.480 sweat and tears into for many of them decades i mean i've been talking to people been working

00:12:11.800 at jobs for 20 30 years they're looking at losing their pension they're looking at losing the job

00:12:17.820 that that's not an inconvenience no so you know it's the the argument that the the those people

00:12:26.000 are posing to you and they're lovely tweets it's just it's it's not accurate that's not what's

00:12:31.900 happening and uh they can they can shuffle the deck and make it appear that that was a good

00:12:37.420 argument but it just actually doesn't reflect the the reality out in the world it's it's a

00:12:43.280 sort of a disneyland tweet with a disneyland princess point of view people like nick said

00:12:48.720 nicholas said people are suffering and yes they are and to turn a blind eye to that

00:12:54.160 is both callous and shallow and shows a real depth of compassion well and that's

00:13:01.140 that's really one of the most disturbing things to me i mean the law aspect of is disturbing too

00:13:06.620 but the dehumanization and othering of people that have a different have made a medical personal

00:13:14.840 medical choice for whatever reason i mean i don't think it matters why people make a certain medical

00:13:19.520 choice but that dehumanization i mean i keep saying to people like i feel like i don't live

00:13:25.480 in canada anymore because that's not the way i grew up that's not the country i grew up with that

00:13:29.440 lack of sympathy i mean these are just normal regular everyday canadians are the people who

00:13:34.400 are calling me and emailing me in distress because they're they're looking at losing everything they

00:13:40.400 they could lose they're not gonna be able to keep their house because they don't have a job i mean

00:13:43.920 you need a job to have food like they could they're looking at losing everything these are

00:13:48.220 just regular basic people these aren't you know they'll they you know the liberal party campaign

00:13:54.200 they're allowing these loud, vulgar protesters to get close. I mean, let's be honest. The

00:14:00.580 Prime Minister's protection detail doesn't let people get close to him unless he wants them to

00:14:05.500 be close to him. They're allowing them in there so that they can say, oh, look at these crazy,

00:14:09.860 awful anti-vaxxers swearing at our Prime Minister. But that's not who I'm dealing with. And I'm sure 0.93

00:14:16.540 it's not who Derek's dealing with. I'm dealing with average, everyday people. And then the

00:14:20.760 Toronto Sun is running headlines saying, let them die. 0.99

00:14:24.500 It's just appalling that. 0.99

00:14:26.320 Is that hate speech?

00:14:27.580 Could that be a case for hate speech?

00:14:29.940 Well, they're out as they're going to say, we didn't say that.

00:14:33.580 We were just reporting things that other people said and were protected by freedom of the

00:14:37.780 press.

00:14:38.280 We have to be able to report bad things that people are saying and that, you know, because

00:14:42.940 they can quote what people are saying to report.

00:14:46.720 I mean, you know, they report on all kinds of horrible things that people say and do

00:14:50.020 and they would say well that doesn't mean that we agree with it now the way they did it was highly

00:14:54.280 provocative and i think although in a court of law they'd probably be able to they'd be able

00:14:58.580 to weasel out of it i mean everyone knows what they were trying to do i mean yeah there's no doubt

00:15:03.020 let's talk about coercion you guys uh there's been a lot of talk about well it's your choice

00:15:08.760 this is what the other side says as well it's your choice and if you choose this then there's

00:15:14.720 to be consequences and and we say well no that's coercion then i mean and that that by any legal

00:15:21.440 standard should not be allowed but yet that's what's going on i mean you were being coerced

00:15:26.480 with the loss of job you were being coerced with uh possible huge lottery winnings you're being

00:15:32.720 coerced with ice cream i mean there you know you're being enticed you're being like explain

00:15:38.640 coercion is is this what's going on here nicholas yeah i think it is now the lotteries and the ice

00:15:46.300 cream i think that's that's not coercion that's persuasion or bribery the coercion comes into

00:15:52.440 where as you say there will be consequences if you don't do this we will do this to you i mean

00:15:58.520 that that's classic coercion bending someone else's will to your will through a threat of force

00:16:05.680 and and I would say that threatening to take someone's job away threatening to take things

00:16:11.080 that they love away from them I mean you know I've heard from a number of young people who

00:16:16.400 they love hockey they've been working hard playing hockey they have a chance to be drafted

00:16:21.460 into uh you know I spoke to one young person who was drafted into the QMJHL another person who was

00:16:28.240 drafted into another league and and you have young people and I would say young people are more

00:16:33.860 vulnerable than a hardened like I mean a guy like me I've been through life I can probably

00:16:38.240 take a bit more than a young 17 year old who's finally achieved his dream and now he's being

00:16:45.140 told no you didn't take this medical procedure we're gonna you so if to achieve your dream you

00:16:50.740 have to do this I mean that's coercion of a even worse form because it's being used on on young

00:16:56.940 people and I had one young person actually said you know I'm I'm debating like even you know if

00:17:03.200 my choice is to never play hockey again but live 50 years or if my or play hockey but I die in two

00:17:09.920 years I think I might go with dying in two years and and and so I can play hockey I mean tell me

00:17:16.240 that's not coercion if someone's being making that choice I'm not saying that the vaccine is

00:17:21.280 definitely going to kill someone or even probably kill someone in two years but I mean that's the

00:17:24.880 calculus that's that's going through as much through these young people's minds yeah Derek

00:17:29.900 well so i had a young woman said to me a few days ago when her employer dropped the boom on her she

00:17:38.780 uh she was very upset and when i met with her she said well it feels like i'm 14 again i'm like what

00:17:45.820 14 again yeah it feels like i'm 14 again and i'm being pressured into sex

00:17:51.020 and uh at that moment is like you know it's an insight into someone's someone's personal economy

00:17:58.380 how they're how they're how they're feeling these things and what a personal impact it is on them

00:18:03.180 and it was actually a little bit disturbing to me to hear that because it's that sort of imposition

00:18:08.860 of the of the mob on the individual where you're powerless and you're being forced to do something

00:18:14.460 so intimate and so against what you know your interests are and that that really affected me and

00:18:23.420 And just in kind of a more of a philosophical point too, and this wouldn't work as a legal

00:18:29.680 argument, but this whole debate to me seems to be summed up in this is that we used to have a

00:18:36.720 society where people were free to do what they wanted. And we had a right to do everything and

00:18:41.900 anything unless there was a law that specifically forbade it. So you could say, I have a right to

00:18:47.420 X. And as long as there wasn't a law forbidding X, that is your legal right to do it. But now

00:18:53.100 the concept of the vaccine passport in particular coupled with the mandates for vaccination has

00:18:58.820 really just completely turned that on its head we're now moving into a phase of our society

00:19:03.960 where our constitutional order is going to be amended and changed drastically from that

00:19:11.080 rights-based society where you're free to a society where permission must be sought for

00:19:16.720 absolutely everything am i allowed to go to that place am i allowed to enter into a contract with

00:19:22.160 that person? Well, I better make sure that I have the proper medical procedures before I do.

00:19:27.660 And that's a grand rewriting of our society at a very foundational legal level.

00:19:34.840 And people seem so accepting of it, which is mind-blowing. Not everybody, not everybody.

00:19:41.140 It is mind-blowing. And so early on, I'm probably not alone, but early on during the COVID pandemic,

00:19:47.980 I started reading a lot and trying to figure out, is there any historical precedent for this?

00:19:53.580 And so I read a few books on the Spanish flu and the Black Death.

00:19:58.620 But the other one that really, really kind of disturbed me is I saw some of our premiers who were acting as strong men gaining in popularity.

00:20:08.800 It seemed everywhere, actually, other than Alberta.

00:20:11.480 Mr. Kenny was struggling in the polls.

00:20:13.700 But for instance, Pallister, I believe, if I remember correctly, was wildly popular for a while in Manitoba. And it's that sort of strongman thing. And it got me thinking. So I cracked open William Shire's book, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, and took a careful look at the interwar period.

00:20:32.280 and you know after Hitler got out of prison and he decided to use democratic means to gain power

00:20:39.000 he also realized that there was two things that were important that the social democrats were

00:20:43.760 doing the social democrats had perfected the use of propaganda to create spiritual terror

00:20:49.780 and something that Hitler really really admired spiritual terror and I thought wow that's a really

00:20:56.420 strange term that I've never heard before but it was this constant propaganda of you're not safe

00:21:01.280 you're not safe and it created this oppressive environment and then the other side he realized

00:21:06.260 is that people had become so used to the social programs the rich social programs that were

00:21:11.820 available in germany at the time we never really think about that but they had a relatively good

00:21:17.580 pension plan state pension and workers insurance and other such things at the time and he realized

00:21:23.960 that people are going to be more concerned with losing these benefits and programs than they are

00:21:29.040 with losing the liberty and so i think we're we're kind of there now where people are are so

00:21:35.740 deeply concerned with their security that they're going to give up their liberty for a short-term

00:21:41.820 gain in what they think is a is security and i think that people are sorry to interrupt you

00:21:47.860 derek do you think people are now starting to wake up more and more slowly i mean and the reason i

00:21:53.580 ask that is because you know d-day is coming when i say d-day i mean like you know the dates are

00:21:58.640 coming for people to get their second vaccination so they can go to work keep their jobs and uh you

00:22:04.620 know even school year is starting again very soon uh they're talking about vaccinating kids who are

00:22:09.860 under 12 here in manitoba they're doing it with kids who are not yet 12 but will be 12 by the end

00:22:15.440 of the year and a lot of people are furious about this and a lot of people are saying good even

00:22:22.060 though we know statistically the children are not affected by this virus whatsoever this divide

00:22:28.420 is amazing and something i've been looking for but i haven't been able to find derek you can

00:22:32.720 answer this because you read the book the interwar period when when the rise of hitler started

00:22:38.600 happening and he started vilifying the jews this didn't happen overnight this took years to happen

00:22:44.460 yeah and that's what i keep saying to the people these days when they laugh at the comparison

00:22:49.120 between now and what happened back in the 1930s um i say you guys this didn't happen overnight it

00:22:55.480 took him 10 years to get to the death camps or maybe seven or eight years to get to that

00:22:59.240 there's about 10 years there's about 43 was when they they started the death camps in earnest 0.57

00:23:04.980 yeah 33 is when the nazis came to power and yeah it started off with jews aren't allowed to hold

00:23:12.100 these certain government positions yep i mean there's a direct parallel to unvaccinated aren't 0.77

00:23:16.780 allowed to hold government positions jews aren't allowed to travel unvaccinated aren't allowed to 0.69

00:23:22.600 travel i mean then it progressed to jews need to live in the ghettos so i don't know maybe we'll

00:23:26.740 see that video that you said you're going to be covering later i don't know what that's all about

00:23:29.940 well i'll tell you this that in australia what we've seen is you can't go within five kilometers

00:23:34.700 or leave the area of your home within five kilometers without some kind of a work pass or

00:23:39.860 permit did you see that possibly happening here and this is only speculation i know i've got a

00:23:44.480 couple of lawyers on the show tonight but here we are talking about it why not i mean if they're

00:23:49.560 doing it in Australia why couldn't they do it here under the guise of keeping you safe well I'll tell

00:23:54.740 you one reason why I don't think that would necessarily happen here I don't know what the

00:23:59.820 the issue is with Australian law enforcement but I just cannot see Canadian law enforcement doing

00:24:06.760 and enforcing the things that Australian law enforcement are going to do and I think

00:24:10.720 there there's clear evidence of this by the fact that when uh last spring or this past spring uh

00:24:17.760 the doug ford the government on ontario gave police the power to randomly stop any person

00:24:24.960 to demand to know why they're outside their home during the stay-at-home order

00:24:28.500 pretty much all the police forces in ontario as a group they came out publicly saying

00:24:35.500 we do not accept that power we will not conduct random stops but so back when that happened i

00:24:42.360 knew that canadian law enforcement is different than australian law enforcement because if they

00:24:46.160 refuse that power i i think they would refuse to stop people to see are you more than five

00:24:51.420 kilometers outside your uh where you live well we've we've heard about toronto police not wanting

00:24:57.080 to enforce these mandates but in quebec they seemed very happy to do that during the big curfew

00:25:01.600 they had in i think montreal and i'm not sure if it was province-wide or if it was just a city thing

00:25:07.060 but i mean i thought wow that's amazing you can't walk down the street in montreal after eight or

00:25:12.460 nine o'clock at night police gonna stop and ask you for your papers like that was crazy to me

00:25:17.040 eric what do you think yeah i think that's crazy too and uh i think but i think quebec might be a

00:25:23.740 little bit distinct in this in this sense uh they are they are a different culture than the rest of

00:25:29.020 canada and i i can't speak for any place other than alberta but i know that the albertan cops

00:25:35.860 that i know have no interest in this and i mean anyone can be angered to the point where they do

00:25:42.400 something stupid and fortunately our police officers are generally trained pretty well not

00:25:48.140 to get aggravated but i mean so you you do have outliers right but saying there's a pattern like 0.99

00:25:54.800 what we've seen in australia i think that we're generally better off than that but the other thing

00:26:00.800 that i think the other thing that's important is that um i don't think there is this huge

00:26:06.700 like we even the way we've been talking about it tonight it's like we're assuming the other side is

00:26:13.840 this massive monolith and it it does feel that way but I'm I'm starting to wonder if what we're

00:26:20.500 actually up against is a little bit of a of a curtain with a man behind the no this is a

00:26:26.620 reference to the Wizard of Oz not an actual cabal a man behind a curtain pulling levers right

00:26:32.380 Yeah, maybe.

00:26:34.140 Yeah.

00:26:34.400 And so I do wonder if what gives us the impression that we're up against something much bigger is that the media has closed ranks and is presenting one incessant, relentless message to us all day long.

00:26:48.900 Yeah.

00:26:49.300 Coupled with the fact that public sector unions have seemed to have viewed this as a great opportunity to increase their franchise.

00:26:59.040 and so we're left with well here in alberta we're going to be ending we're going to be ending up in

00:27:06.620 a labor dispute we're being told can you believe it the nurses are talking about striking during

00:27:11.580 a pandemic oh here too absolutely i mean they got what they wanted during a pandemic because

00:27:16.660 what choice does the government have but to give it to them because people are going to be so scared

00:27:21.720 right yeah but i wonder sometimes if um if this is a is this a little bit of a a show that we're

00:27:28.520 watching it's the media and uh the incessant public sector union stuff going on all the time

00:27:36.540 and we end up with the impression that there's many more people against us than we realize

00:27:41.860 and though the point of it being that we need to get together and realize at these like

00:27:49.740 demonstrations that you're at that people we're not alone and canada is the place that it always

00:27:55.440 has been and we need to actually live as if we're still free and i think that i'm really hoping

00:28:04.940 that's the case that it's not the 80 that we're up against i i see i think i see evidence of that

00:28:12.260 too and i just look at the wide range of people who've reached out to me in recent weeks and it's

00:28:18.120 been a lot of people asking for help but it's also been a lot of people that have seen some of

00:28:22.200 the videos i've done on don't talk tv where i've called i've talked about vaccine passports and

00:28:27.540 and i've talked about the uh you know coercion and things like that and there's been a lot of

00:28:31.900 response to that and and i've been contacted by lots of people have been vaccinated and

00:28:37.320 i just think walking around on the streets when you deal with real people not people on the

00:28:42.900 internet. I just haven't seen people having the same of the sort of vehemence that you see online

00:28:50.920 and people still seem to be normal people. You see a lot of people going around. I know

00:28:55.540 when, you know, there was a protest in Stratford, there was no one reacting angrily. I mean,

00:29:03.680 online, there were a few people who were saying, oh, they're going to, you know, people are going

00:29:07.080 to die because of them. This is terrible. But out on the street, when I was walking down the street,

00:29:11.400 every I saw a car lots of cars driving by and people were honking their horns and waving at

00:29:16.020 the protesters and I didn't see I mean I wasn't there for very long but I didn't see anyone

00:29:21.560 being aggressive or angry towards the people that were out there and I mean that was back in April 0.99

00:29:27.520 but I do hope that the whole vaccine passport and the the the job the mandate for jobs will 0.99

00:29:36.080 maybe finally be a bridge too far for a lot of people. And a lot of people I know who are 0.86

00:29:41.780 vehemently, vehemently in favor of the vaccine, even for them, they're saying, no, that's too

00:29:46.100 much. That's not right to be taking away people's livelihood like that. I don't agree with their

00:29:50.520 choice, but that's not right. Let's go back to the beginning of the conversation. We were talking

00:29:55.320 about, uh, being fired because of your vaccine status. And you guys have been taking a lot of 0.57

00:30:01.540 consultations what is the recourse what should people do that that's a really tough question

00:30:09.940 and i don't say that just to be sly and avoid the question i say you're a lawyer derrick come on

00:30:16.960 i say that to uh to couch my terms carefully because frankly i don't think we really know

00:30:23.440 because this hasn't happened before i i at least i'm not familiar with mass firings in

00:30:30.640 Canada because someone refused or a group of people refused to take a vaccine and so with that

00:30:36.780 with that foundation I would say what people should try to do is is really think carefully

00:30:43.740 about why they don't want to take the vaccine and then consider whether or not they can rely on an

00:30:50.800 exemption in the human rights code within their province if they have a private employer and if

00:30:56.120 they have a public employer then perhaps the charter might apply too it's different with

00:31:00.940 unions if you're a unionized employee you you pretty much have to take recourse through your

00:31:06.860 union and once that avenue is exhausted then there may be other things open to you but in private

00:31:12.860 private contract for employment it's probably best to try to negotiate with your employer rather

00:31:19.520 than just be fired my head my advice to people so far has always been let's find a way to keep you

00:31:25.700 in your job i know there's there's some people who uh some lawyers that have been getting a lot

00:31:32.340 of press recently who are talking and railing against exemptions and trying to keep people in

00:31:37.840 their jobs that we need to actually like challenge this outright in the courts and well yeah that's

00:31:42.720 that's a great remedy two or three years from now when the court finally issues a decision on this

00:31:47.680 in the meantime they haven't been working so my goal has always been to find a client

00:31:53.240 specific uh way that we can keep that client working and not impoverished over that time so

00:32:02.880 that often is exemptions and trying to deal with your boss in a reasonable way trying to get an

00:32:08.120 accommodation so many people have been working from home for years and let's just continue that

00:32:14.980 why why should i be vaccinated if i've been working home uh at home for the last 15 years

00:32:20.440 nothing changes i shouldn't have to lose my job over this as well and so those are the types of

00:32:26.180 solutions that i've been trying to trying to help people think through and what their rights are too

00:32:31.120 if they actually do get terminated and that that can be a little more difficult and people should

00:32:36.680 really go speak to a lawyer about their specific circumstances at that point you know what's

00:32:41.560 interesting um is that we all sit back as us non-lawyer types and we go isn't there one

00:32:48.640 freaking thing that we can do just one motion one lawyer could step up and say this is all illegal

00:32:54.780 everything you province isn't but it's all illegal all of it we're gonna we're all gonna sue you

00:33:00.040 right now and it's just not like that is it like it's got to be on a case by case basis almost in

00:33:05.660 a and it's got to work its way through the provincial court and then if you're lucky enough

00:33:09.920 and you've got the money maybe you can get it to the supreme court of canada and it just takes

00:33:14.420 forever as you were saying derek what have you been saying nicholas what have you been saying

00:33:17.780 of your people. Yeah, well, I've been saying very similar to what Derek said, although, I mean,

00:33:23.420 I echo what he says. We're in uncharted territory. Whether you've been working employment law for

00:33:28.100 your whole career or you're picking it up on the fly like I am, this is unprecedented, what's going

00:33:34.600 on in here. And I mean, and especially the whole medical coercion aspect of it, because, I mean,

00:33:41.540 everyone knew that you couldn't do this. As of a few weeks ago, everyone knew that. And let me give

00:33:46.300 you one example. The Department of National Defense, up until about a week ago, had an FAQ

00:33:52.140 page, you know, COVID vaccine FAQ page up on their site that said this vaccine, no ifs, ands, or buts,

00:34:00.480 this vaccine is voluntary and will continue to be voluntary. It will not be made mandatory.

00:34:06.860 We can't make it mandatory because that would be against the law. And if you're receiving pressure

00:34:11.220 from other people in the armed forces, you should report that to your chain of command because

00:34:15.640 we don't want people being uh being bullied about their vaccine choice i mean you can go on the way

00:34:22.460 back machine and and find that that page uh as of august the 13th it was still in that form

00:34:29.260 then they they deleted it and replaced it in like pure 1984 fashion like winston smith

00:34:37.260 cutting out the article and with ogilvy and putting in putting the new article now they've

00:34:42.880 got a faq saying this is going to happen so get ready to be jabbed basically like they're saying

00:34:49.120 this is coming from the government and all these you know i see ctv coming out with well you know

00:34:55.560 we have these legal experts and they say that this can be done and i'm i'm thinking like those same

00:35:00.600 experts six months ago would have said no way no way can this happen this just can't be done so

00:35:06.720 we're in this um you know bizarre situation it's hard to advise people because i'm telling them

00:35:13.020 look like i i can see the law here's the cases i can show you the cases where the supreme court

00:35:17.820 has clearly said you can't do this but it's happening so i and the fact that it's happening

00:35:23.460 you need to look for practical solutions because if we have to nicholas if if we have precedents

00:35:28.960 set down in law that says you can't do this and yet they're doing it doesn't that give us grounds

00:35:33.960 for some kind of injunctive measures well you guys i love you both thank you for sharing from

00:35:42.780 and nicholas wandsbutter you guys i mean the looks on your faces just now funny well you're

00:35:49.760 two different questions there would we do we want it to be the case and is it the case of course we

00:35:57.240 want it to be the case and you know if someone comes in with a briefcase full of money we'll do

00:36:02.900 everything we can to make that happen. But the thing is, at the same time, probably have an

00:36:08.600 ethical obligation to tell the client with that briefcase of money, this is going to be really

00:36:13.900 hard to do. Right. Yeah. Injunctive relief is very, very difficult to get. And I mean,

00:36:21.540 if you take a step back and look to normal circumstances, it makes sense why it should

00:36:25.840 be difficult because you're asking for the court to make a ruling on something without the full

00:36:31.300 legal argument and the full evidence being put before the court. So, I mean, if you're on the

00:36:35.480 receiving end of that, you don't want it to be easy. I mean, if you're in some dispute with

00:36:39.680 your neighbor and they're asking the court for an injunction for you to not be able to use part

00:36:44.520 of your land or something, and you don't get to argue the full case to decide that, I mean,

00:36:49.280 that should be something hard to have. I mean, the problem is, I mean, no justice system is

00:36:56.500 built is equipped to handle a scenario where all levels of government and private society

00:37:03.380 just have no regard for the law and don't care what the laws and do things anyway i mean it's

00:37:08.060 the whole it's the flip side of the of united non-compliance they're basically doing united

00:37:13.620 non-compliance with the rule of law so how do you you know it's the same problem they can't fire

00:37:19.180 everyone if everyone doesn't comply if they're all not complying we can't sue everyone or bring

00:37:24.560 court cases on everything all at once and the court case the courts can't handle that it's amazing

00:37:30.360 it's amazing to me that the government like not just the federal government but every provincial

00:37:36.260 government in the past 18 months has blatantly broke the law as far as i can see and they have

00:37:44.580 possibly breached the charter of rights and freedoms in several different sections and yet

00:37:50.280 nobody can do anything about it and they continue to roll over people it's amazing to me

00:37:55.440 so i mean i i have some experience with that sort of thing that you just said and i mean this is

00:38:01.900 this is something that uh one of my colleagues and i wrote about at the fraser for the fraser

00:38:07.080 institute number of years ago we wrote a paper on section seven of the charter it was i believe it

00:38:12.180 was the 30th anniversary of the charter that the date and then we wrote like the charter after 30

00:38:17.860 years and our favorite section is section seven um everyone is it has a right to life liberty

00:38:23.280 security the person the right not to be deprived thereof except by the principles of fundamental

00:38:26.620 justice well not bad but that's the the one place that the word liberty occurs in our constitution

00:38:33.540 and uh and that's that's a really important word and it's we wrote an article about how

00:38:39.900 that term right from the very first decision on that word there was a judicial gloss as some

00:38:47.040 lawyers would say put over that term basically our our word was it was eviscerated the the term

00:38:54.020 liberty became almost the opposite of what liberty means and uh it was a very sad day very first

00:38:59.680 decision 1985 and uh so at that point you could only rely on liberty when it was this very very

00:39:07.240 high level unbelievable infringement that of these decisions that you might take make once in a

00:39:13.320 lifetime. But when it's small decisions that you make on a day-to-day basis, all added up in

00:39:18.980 aggregate, that never equals infringement of liberty under the Charter. And so we actually

00:39:25.300 postulated at that time that the government of Canada is perfectly constitutionally allowed to

00:39:30.060 bring in a dress code. And lo and behold, in 2020, the Canadian governments brought in a dress code.

00:39:37.660 We all had to wear these muzzles on our faces. And there is no constitutional resource or recourse against that sort of thing. So, you know, these these sorts of issues have been brewing for years in our in our constitution, in our legal order. 0.96

00:39:53.260 And it's these times when we're in extraordinary times.

00:39:57.040 It's in these extraordinary times when we need these documents to protect us, when we need to have clear rules about how we conduct ourselves as a society and how the government is allowed to comport itself against the individual.

00:40:10.880 It's those times when we need these documents.

00:40:14.260 And it's been really surprising and sad to me to see how quickly it all collapsed.

00:40:19.600 isn't that interesting too i've heard um watched many videos of police saying if you've got a

00:40:26.840 problem with it then vote these guys out in the next election and it seems like every political

00:40:31.840 party in this country except for the people's party of canada is in favor of some kind of

00:40:36.680 vaccine passport or uh you know automatic or you know mandatory testing or mandatory vaccinations

00:40:43.820 and so how are you going to vote your way out of this you can't if all the major parties agree

00:40:47.980 about it. It's frustrating. Let's move on to the next thing here, guys. There's a lot of people who

00:40:53.160 are very concerned about their children. Already in most provinces, I think in every province in

00:40:58.940 this country, we've got children 12 years of age and older actually able to consent to go and get

00:41:06.400 this vaccine. And now they're talking about by early next year, they're talking about being able

00:41:12.940 to vaccinate children like out of the womb fresh out of the womb all the way up uh that was on ctv

00:41:21.880 the other day now there was a clip i saw that was sent to me i think about 328 times and i watched

00:41:29.420 this mla from new brunswick talking to a bunch of angry constituents uh in the street outside of his

00:41:35.580 constituency office and they were yelling at him about their children you can't do this to our kids

00:41:41.780 what's the matter with you and the mla turned around looked at the guy and he said the children

00:41:47.060 belong to the province and i went what and then somebody told me look it up dude and i did and i

00:41:56.740 was very disappointed with what i found nicholas is that the case do the the kids belong to the

00:42:02.500 province the kids belong to the state well well first of all i i'm kind of wondering what you

00:42:08.740 looked up because i'm uh that's that's actually not something i'm familiar with i don't see how

00:42:15.420 the state can own children but let me say from a practical perspective to an extent canadians

00:42:23.020 society canadians as a whole we're reaping what we've sown by sending children to government

00:42:27.500 school by abdicating parental duty to the state in practice the state does own the children i mean if

00:42:33.940 the children are in the state's custody six, seven hours a day in public school and then in

00:42:41.340 extracurriculars, can you really say that the state doesn't own your children? The state

00:42:46.160 has more influence and sees them more than you do. And that's also a key factor of how we are

00:42:52.140 here. When we're talking about voting your way out, not being able to vote your way out. Well,

00:42:55.520 of course you can't vote your way out because politics are always downstream of culture.

00:42:59.240 and and part of how's that culture formed i mean if uh if you're handing your children over to the

00:43:05.740 state that's the culture that you're going to have 10 20 years from now if when they're

00:43:09.840 in that milieu all day every day so yeah what i was referring to was uh somebody sent me a link

00:43:18.400 on child family service agencies through provinces in the country and if they get a phone call

00:43:25.100 from somebody anybody who says that there is some kind of uh ruckus going on in the home

00:43:31.180 and they can they suspect the children are in danger they can immediately pull the children

00:43:35.140 out of that home without any proof that anything had happened to those kids

00:43:40.300 they have a lot of power and so that's what the connection was there i think with that mla was

00:43:47.280 saying and it made me wonder how can how can any state body do that i suppose it's a good thing

00:43:56.080 until it's not a good thing because that power can be abused well yeah that's the thing i mean

00:44:00.080 as you say it's a good thing it's not a good thing and i mean the thing is people have tolerated

00:44:06.860 these children's aid societies and apprehending children because for the most part it doesn't

00:44:12.560 affect them because who do they go after that's the low-hanging fruit i mean no i don't want to

00:44:16.840 be um uh you know disrespectful to to uh people who are underprivileged but it's the disenfranchised

00:44:23.360 members of society who are the ones that have their children like they're they're not going to

00:44:28.420 go to some banker's house if someone if his neighbor says oh there's some argument i'm scared

00:44:32.820 his kids are in trouble they're not going to go there and take his kids it's going to be 0.98

00:44:35.920 i mean in manitoba it's going to be an indigenous family they'll show up a lot faster there than 0.57

00:44:42.340 they'll show up in tuxedo or charleswood yeah too and and then you know it's out of sight out of

00:44:47.520 mind to the average person they don't care that you know i mean there's stories all the time in

00:44:51.520 winnipeg about hotels being full of children who've been apprehended by the children's family

00:44:56.800 services in manitoba i mean again this is another thing where we're we're reaping what we've sown

00:45:02.760 that we've tolerated this for for years and years and years and and it it's intolerable it shouldn't

00:45:10.000 have been tolerated yeah and i'm gonna i'm gonna make a pop culture reference if i'm allowed

00:45:15.040 okay so if uh if um people are familiar with game of thrones uh either the show or the book

00:45:21.220 books um there's a character in there that is sort of like i think what we're talking about and that

00:45:27.700 is uh theon grayjoy okay and so theon grayjoy was a ward and what award means is you're taken

00:45:35.720 from your family your family was defeated and you're raised by your enemy now why would you take

00:45:42.920 someone else's kid and raise them as your own sounds like an inconvenience but what you're

00:45:47.160 doing is you're subverting them you're you're subverting that culture you're raising the next

00:45:52.440 generation to be like you and to to estrange him from his own past and i think it's easy to watch

00:46:01.880 that type of show or other other uh shows or stories where there's wards and things like that

00:46:08.600 in them and not really understand how subversive and awful that is but in some ways not to be

00:46:16.220 hyperbolic but in some ways what nicholas was talking about originally about how we put our

00:46:21.220 kids in government schools and then parents haven't taken their their duty their moral duty

00:46:28.040 I believe, to be the primary educator of their child. And this many years on, we've realized

00:46:33.500 our children are de facto wards of the state. And it becomes very difficult. It's very society

00:46:41.340 undermining, individual culture undermining. And you know what? There's many Mennonites. I know

00:46:48.260 there's a big Mennonite population south of Winnipeg. I think around 1905, many Mennonites

00:46:54.880 actually left Western Canada and moved south into South America and Mexico. And they fled

00:47:02.100 because public schooling was being made mandatory. They saw the writing on the wall. This is going

00:47:07.640 to totally change our culture and subvert us. And so they fled the country. And so like residential 0.95

00:47:14.220 schools, you were talking about, you know, when you try and take a child and raise them as your

00:47:19.740 own you're trying to turn them into you and and so on and so on and so on yeah there's so how

00:47:23.700 how can they make this a thing how can they actually i mean they're talking about wanting

00:47:28.260 to vaccinate these these little children early next year will they be able to do this without

00:47:34.600 parental consent currently i don't think so uh there's there's one case that i've been able to

00:47:43.320 find somewhat on the topic and i i have shared it with nicholas it's a case out of bc called

00:47:48.920 Taves and Wisner, I believe. And it's an instance where an 11-year-old girl, I believe she was in

00:47:55.760 grade seven at the time, ended up getting a vaccination at school. Now, the consent form 0.55

00:48:02.260 went home, but was never returned. So it was an accidental vaccination, I suppose. And, you know,

00:48:10.120 kids, she may have felt pressured into doing it and just went along and never wanted it.

00:48:16.220 but in the end the court didn't like it much considered it battery and found that the act

00:48:22.540 was illegal now fortunately in this case there's no sign that anything happened to the child she

00:48:29.660 was fine and there was no vaccine injury or anything like that and it was a relatively

00:48:35.260 innocuous vaccine from what i understand but the court did find it was battery and awarded damages

00:48:41.260 So if we're going on how the law has been until 2021, unconsented to child vaccinations are illegal.

00:48:52.240 OK, what about any sort of forced vaccinations in Canada for anybody, three year old, 33 year old, 73 year old?

00:49:01.600 I was reading or I watched the I'm not sure if you guys watched the video I sent you earlier today.

00:49:05.940 You're probably both extremely busy and didn't have time for it.

00:49:08.540 But there is it seems a section in the Constitution that talks about forced vaccinations being illegal in this country.

00:49:16.980 And it's because it's, you know, entrenched in the Constitution.

00:49:20.760 It cannot be changed unless they reopen the Constitution.

00:49:24.900 So are you guys familiar with that?

00:49:28.860 I'm not familiar with any portion that directly deals with immunization, but arguably Section 7 of the Charter does.

00:49:35.780 uh life liberty security of the person right security the person does protect psychological

00:49:41.540 integrity and when when you're do not consent to receive a vaccine and someone's coming at you with

00:49:47.900 a needle that certainly impacts upon your uh security of the person interest okay and there's

00:49:55.140 there's ample case law ample precedent to show that you any not just an inoculation or immunization

00:50:04.520 any medical treatment without consent is battery or an assault yeah i mean that it's just

00:50:11.300 it's beyond question if you if you start researching it and go on to canley or i mean

00:50:16.840 i cite a number of the cases in my uh in my infamous vaccine passport episode on don't talk

00:50:23.240 tv i mean how many how many views does that have by the way it's got to be like upwards of 25 000

00:50:28.180 by now or more oh it's in the 40 40 thousands i haven't checked the last couple days but good

00:50:34.120 for you man that's great you were saying well no i maybe he just fell asleep with his eyes open

00:50:41.840 there yeah i'm almost at that point what about informed consent you guys i mean that doesn't

00:50:50.040 seem to be happening right now and the reason is because there is no information so with without

00:50:56.420 informed consent this whole thing is just a big sham isn't it legally i mean you have to have

00:51:02.600 informed consent that i mean that that again i mean it's not even a question like i don't know

00:51:06.920 how i mean i'm reacting the way i am because it's just so clear in the in the case law that

00:51:13.720 you can't even question it the necessity of informed consent yep i agree and a good case

00:51:20.720 people can look this up canly is a great website it's free and it's c-a-n-l-i-i.org

00:51:27.860 can lee.org and a case right on that and it has a great exposition of the law of informed consent

00:51:34.580 from ontario it's called uh millette and shuman shulman sorry and it discusses this and it

00:51:41.540 discusses the doctrine of informed consent not only does it entail you to have a full disclosure

00:51:46.860 of what this uh medical procedure or product whatever you're consenting to will do to you

00:51:54.580 or potentially do to you, how it'll benefit you and harm you, but you also have the ability to

00:52:00.580 choose not to do it, but also choose other treatments. And the court in that case went

00:52:06.080 on to canvass some of the law and brought out the fact that, look, not only do you have to

00:52:11.360 choose between yes and no for this particular procedure being advised to you, but you can

00:52:15.580 choose alternatives and it doesn't matter if your doctor disagrees, it doesn't matter if the

00:52:20.620 medical establishment disagrees and it doesn't matter if the community disagrees the choice is

00:52:26.580 yours because the basis legal basis for informed consent is self-determination and self-determination

00:52:32.940 is sort of a foundational principle in law where the individual is is supposed to be free to make

00:52:39.400 their own decisions about their own body supposed to be able to make your own decisions all right

00:52:47.200 guys you know what i've had you for an hour here thanks for coming on tonight nicholas i know you're

00:52:52.120 exhausted and derek you too uh hopefully you guys will want to come on the show again if something

00:52:56.900 crazy happens uh i don't even know what it could be like who can predict what's going to happen

00:53:01.160 anymore at this point unless maybe you know they're hauling me away to some isolation camp

00:53:06.140 somewhere up by churchill uh maybe i'll be able to get a hold of you somehow through a satellite phone

00:53:11.680 guys thank you very much for joining the show tonight uh you guys want to throw out some like

00:53:17.080 I know, Nicholas, you've got Don't Talk TV.

00:53:19.600 It's available on all the big platforms.

00:53:20.940 Do you want to throw any contact information out

00:53:22.720 or you've pretty much had your fill by now doing consults?

00:53:26.060 Well, my contact information is on Don't Talk TV.

00:53:28.280 So I just say check that channel out,

00:53:30.000 have a look at some of the videos.

00:53:31.180 You may find a lot of the information

00:53:32.580 you're already looking for

00:53:33.700 and then you can follow up from there

00:53:36.500 and if you want to have a further consultation.

00:53:39.700 Okay, cool.

00:53:40.400 Nicholas Wansbutter, thanks for joining the show tonight.

00:53:42.400 Really appreciate it.

00:53:43.320 Derek Frum, anything you want to throw out there

00:53:45.360 in terms of information you can find me on twitter derek james from my middle name james

00:53:52.020 and you can also find me on linkedin and uh the law firm that i'm i'm at right now is called wka

00:53:58.980 lawyers we're just north of calgary okay derek thanks very much for coming on tonight again i

00:54:03.360 really appreciate it man thanks okay there's derek james from from wka lawyers in calgary

00:54:10.140 um all right guys i want to get to a couple of stories here but first i want to talk to you

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00:58:20.740 security guys i have more i know you're all leaving right now but i do have more uh and and

00:58:27.540 something i do want to share with you i referenced it at the beginning of the show tonight but um i

00:58:35.140 didn't really get to the details because i knew that nicholas was a little bit tired tonight and

00:58:40.080 that he wanted to uh and that he wanted to get going he actually stuck around a lot longer than

00:58:45.360 he that i thought he would so i want to talk about this story here because i believe that

00:58:50.040 you know what they would you would never get them to admit this but i believe that rusin did this

00:58:55.920 out of spite because of the rally yesterday drawing so many people downtown and there's so

00:59:00.280 many people who are yelling and screaming about how it was disrespectful to the patients and the

00:59:04.500 medical staff at the hospital that we should be out there doing what we were doing yesterday well

00:59:08.820 look at the bottom line is no matter what the left-wing corporate media says as you know if

00:59:13.940 you were there or you saw any of the videos that i put up on this page yesterday the shadow davis

00:59:19.320 show page and by the way if you have not liked and shared this show and this page please go ahead and

00:59:24.780 do it right now it's important to break the algorithm i saw by the way that i think we

00:59:28.980 peaked out at 325 live viewers tonight which is absolutely fantastic thank you for helping me

00:59:35.400 expand this show uh so much in the last couple of weeks i really appreciate your support you guys

00:59:40.880 but anyway there's a lot of people out there that said we were causing trouble that we were

00:59:46.160 right-wing extremists and racists i don't even know where that would even come from

00:59:50.520 racists what i mean there's people of all colors out there there was black brown yellow white

00:59:58.400 stripe check polka dot we were all there fighting for freedom it had nothing to do

01:00:04.320 with skin color or religion or creed or sexual preference i mean these people who were and you

01:00:10.380 know what the people who were yelling and screaming about how crass we were which is a lie

01:00:15.400 weren't even there they got their information from the left-wing corporate media and the left-wing

01:00:21.300 corporate media lied all three of them yesterday lied they lied through their teeth they lied and

01:00:29.140 they had no video to back it up because guess what they weren't there

01:00:34.320 and yet because of their lies what happens today

01:00:39.580 backlash outcry blowback on blast apparently i'm a has-been hack now and they won't mention me by

01:00:50.320 name most of them some of them will but many won't mention me by name you want to know why

01:00:54.600 they don't want to give me the satisfaction i don't take any satisfaction in this guys

01:00:59.180 i don't like being at war with my brothers and sisters i hate it like all we're trying to do

01:01:07.220 is say look at don't discriminate against a very large group of people and for don't for one second

01:01:12.880 think that we're small don't think that that's all there was yesterday all that that's it that's the

01:01:17.740 whole resistance that's not it if we're talking about 25 of the people of this province we are

01:01:24.780 talking about, well, let's see here. I'm going to do some quick math. About 300,000 people,

01:01:33.240 300,000 people. That is a city the size of Saskatoon.

01:01:39.660 All right, let's get to this story. This is the outdoor capacity restriction, vaccination,

01:01:45.840 blah, blah, blah. And also for weddings, by the way, go to a wedding. Now you have to,

01:01:51.300 you know who the bride and groom i suppose are going to have to ask their guests for proof of

01:01:56.080 vaccination that is what this government is doing so i mean like these weddings have been planned 0.95

01:02:07.360 for maybe even years before this whole bullshit thing started and now they're not going to be

01:02:12.700 able to go because of proof of vaccination maybe there's going to be a lot of people 0.93

01:02:16.280 who don't realize they have to provide proof of vaccination when they go to the wedding

01:02:20.300 because it's a wedding it's my family right so who's going to be standing at the door of the

01:02:26.340 wedding asking for proof of fricking vaccination what happens if you don't

01:02:30.820 can the government walk in and ask you well derek from tonight said

01:02:34.960 pretty unconstitutional search there but it doesn't seem like the government even cares

01:02:41.840 about the constitution or the charter of rights and freedoms anymore does it

01:02:45.360 you want to know why because we are letting them get away with it that's why

01:02:55.700 so anyway here is the story from the cbc.ca new restrictions on outdoor

01:03:03.420 outdoor gathering sizes come into effect early next week and vaccine requirements are being put

01:03:08.000 in place for more venues brent russen announced today so this is the this is the one i wanted to

01:03:16.040 talk about more than any of the others and i will get to the others but capacity restrictions on

01:03:21.420 outdoor gathering sizes will be lowered to 500 from the current 1500 maximum why do you think

01:03:28.340 he did that so what's going to happen if we have another rally now and it gets big and it was in

01:03:35.900 perfect control yesterday by the way was it fine cops were there they I think they were even

01:03:41.380 enjoying themselves being there sure looked like it to me they were laughing joking around there

01:03:45.900 was no altercations no matter what the left-wing corporate media would have you believe I didn't

01:03:52.520 see any of that I didn't see any harassment there were no pay you know what guys I walked through

01:03:56.880 that crowd people were just happy to be there I did not see one person harass any other person

01:04:04.500 for any reason.

01:04:06.040 I didn't see it.

01:04:07.860 Now, it could be that I missed it,

01:04:09.800 but I didn't see it.

01:04:12.920 And I know dozens of other people

01:04:15.360 who were there

01:04:15.780 and they didn't see anything like that either.

01:04:17.700 And they're genuinely shocked

01:04:19.320 when they heard the left-wing corporate media

01:04:21.340 talking about it.

01:04:23.180 So what happens when we have another rally?

01:04:25.900 Are the cops going to come out

01:04:27.240 and try and break it up

01:04:28.120 because we're now over 500?

01:04:30.200 How are they going to count that?

01:04:31.140 They're going to sit there

01:04:31.640 and count one, two, three, four.

01:04:34.500 I think this is a scare tactic.

01:04:36.920 I don't think the police want to enforce this.

01:04:39.620 So we're going to go ahead and we're going to do another one.

01:04:41.440 We're going to make it three times bigger than the one yesterday.

01:04:45.020 Let's see what happens.

01:04:46.960 Let's see what happens.

01:04:48.220 They're probably going to go and hand out tickets to who they think are the ringleaders, right? 0.83

01:04:53.900 Let's see what happens.

01:04:57.460 So again, outdoor gathering.

01:05:00.180 So what does this mean for the Blue Bombers?

01:05:01.760 Nothing.

01:05:02.100 They're exempt.

01:05:04.500 Of course they're exempt.

01:05:05.680 You can have 22,000 people in a stadium.

01:05:08.740 They're all vaccinated.

01:05:11.120 But I guess the government hasn't been following the latest stories on vaccinated people spreading the virus, the Delta variant.

01:05:21.860 Also next Tuesday, food courts, museums and galleries will also need to start checking visitors for proof they are fully vaccinated.

01:05:29.480 You know what? Guys, if there's any people who work at these places, just tell them, no, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this. I am not asking to see somebody's vaccine passport. I'm not. I'm just not doing it. Fire me. Fucking fire me. I'm not doing it.

01:05:49.560 that's what we need massive non-compliance

01:05:53.520 united non-compliance at this point this is going too far now

01:05:57.880 this is going too far the branch

01:06:01.360 covidians on the other side are cheering this

01:06:05.420 on

01:06:06.180 they're calling us

01:06:12.920 entitled

01:06:19.520 you know guys it breaks my heart

01:06:26.160 i know some of those people i've known them for a long time i never would have expected anything

01:06:34.300 like this from from them so it's to me it is really bringing out the true colors of people

01:06:45.740 and it saddens me and there are people right now who feel alone and lost and frightened

01:06:53.520 sometimes I feel like that myself

01:06:58.700 but then i think no man you're doing the right thing and we should all be able to look at

01:07:09.460 ourselves in the mirror every morning when we well maybe not in the morning before we go to bed at

01:07:14.940 night and know that we are good people who are doing the right thing and basically this whole

01:07:25.100 things that were critical thinkers all we wanted to do was wait and see that was it and that was

01:07:31.720 like just a few months ago vaccine development takes years and years and years and years and

01:07:36.800 years so anyway what's happened during this whole crisis is that we found a new family I guess

01:07:51.940 And I know it's hard to write off

01:07:55.440 Believe me, I know it's hard to write off the people from the past

01:08:00.460 Because, man, they've been with you for a very long time

01:08:04.800 But I'm not sure

01:08:07.880 I would like to think that we can mend fences

01:08:10.120 When this is all over

01:08:11.600 And we are going to win, by the way

01:08:13.400 But I'm not sure if that's going to be even possible

01:08:16.540 Getting back together and healing these wounds

01:08:21.420 Maybe with some SilverSol technology.

01:08:26.340 But seriously, you have found a new family here.

01:08:32.000 Okay?

01:08:32.540 So, you know, the reasons I do this show, there are two.

01:08:38.100 And the first one is to, well, there's three.

01:08:43.200 I like talking to you guys.

01:08:44.940 I really do.

01:08:46.540 It scratches an itch for me.

01:08:48.140 like i spent all those years on radio talking to people and you know what i figured out about that

01:08:53.680 was that in all those years i did that it wasn't about rock and roll yeah i love music and and

01:08:58.920 whatnot it wasn't about performance it was about connecting with people ultimately that's what it

01:09:04.660 was i loved connecting with people i loved forging connections with people

01:09:09.480 and i guess that leads me to the second reason which is to create community

01:09:15.940 that's one of the reasons this show exists and i put it on at a regular time every weekday because

01:09:22.740 i want you guys to know at a certain time every day you've got a place to go for a little bit of 0.56

01:09:27.460 fucking comfort after a rough day maybe a bad day i know there's a lot of people who are hurting bad 0.88

01:09:34.740 right now mental health wise so you can always come here every week night at eight o'clock central 0.99

01:09:41.840 um and you know something else i find really cool is that a lot of friendships have been forged

01:09:49.580 just through the the comment section here so thank you for that thank you for being part of

01:09:55.340 the welcome crew of the shadow at night live stream and the last reason i guess i do this

01:10:01.420 show is to get all the information out to tell you guys the truth as i see it

01:10:05.380 i do a lot of digging every day i get a lot of help from you guys sending me things

01:10:12.980 on messenger i bet i can look at at my messenger right now and i could i can tell you how many

01:10:19.940 how many messages i have it's crazy i can't even keep up with them anymore and i'm not complaining

01:10:26.940 don't get me wrong because i really appreciate you guys taking the time to do that i have 18

01:10:30.740 messages on my phone right now since the eight o'clock and 36 um notifications and i will get

01:10:43.300 to all of them i will um so yeah those are the three reasons i do this show and i like i appreciate

01:10:52.140 you guys coming every night and bringing friends with you we got to beat this algorithm and tonight

01:10:58.340 we got up over 300 for the very first time 300 live viewers for the very first time so thank you

01:11:04.180 for helping us get there let's make it 400 next time it's not asking for much is it and then 500

01:11:10.980 and then 600 because guys the bigger this this show gets the more people are going to hear what's

01:11:15.940 really going on the more people in the middle who are thinking right now what i'm going to need a

01:11:20.420 third shot are you freaking kidding me a third shot now i don't think so people are waking up

01:11:26.900 they're seeing what's going on when all of these new restrictions happen tomorrow

01:11:32.740 they're going to go wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute so

01:11:34.980 my wife can't come up believe it or not there's a lot of people that don't even know about them

01:11:42.340 they've double vaccinated and they've got their card so they don't care once they find out until

01:11:46.420 they realize that their best friend isn't vaccinated because you know what there are

01:11:50.740 still a lot of people who haven't discussed this yet not to say that's a good thing or a bad thing

01:11:56.900 But when they find out by surprise that Jimmy can't come tonight, Barry can't come either.

01:12:03.900 No, they're not vaccinated.

01:12:05.080 Well, you're splitting up the crew now.

01:12:07.860 And they're going to find out the hard way.

01:12:09.480 And then what's their reaction going to be? 1.00

01:12:11.680 Are they going to be, oh, well, fuck them then? 1.00

01:12:14.180 Or are they going to be, no, man, this can't stand. 1.00

01:12:17.400 This can't stand.

01:12:18.940 I think it's going to be the latter.

01:12:20.400 I think it's going to be people going, no, no, no, no, no, no. 0.98

01:12:22.800 I'm sorry, man, but we have had enough of this bullshit and we're not going to take 0.99

01:12:27.120 any more. 0.97

01:12:28.400 And that's what I was hoping the business owners would say.

01:12:31.780 As a matter of fact, I'm going to leave you with this tonight, guys.

01:12:35.820 This is something I found on Facebook today.

01:12:39.880 I don't know who wrote it because it's one of those anonymous things that gets put out

01:12:43.840 and it just spreads around like wildfire.

01:12:47.900 So listen to this.

01:12:48.580 i'm a simple canadian trying to keep my community a community you may be a lot like me there are

01:12:58.160 many many of us to all of the business owners in manitoba and i'm going to extend this to

01:13:03.940 any other province that has a vaccine passport looming understand that for over the past year

01:13:12.460 Your own government has limited, fined, and regulated you into a corner in hopes of pushing you past the point of failure.

01:13:21.320 The Walmarts and McDonald's and Amazons of the world have amazing lobbyists and a business model much different than yours, much more draconian, lockdown friendly.

01:13:32.220 Understand that people like myself played along with the masking and the distancing and other theater for you.

01:13:39.120 I don't require a face diaper or chemicals on my hands or arrows to show me how to move about

01:13:45.440 your building, but I did it for you. I didn't want you to suffer. Remember that? Support local

01:13:53.600 business. Remember? I tried to play along so your business could keep employing you

01:13:59.940 and your co-workers and feeding your families. I told myself it was a necessary evil to play along

01:14:05.760 so that our Lord Pallister and Sheriff Rusin would pass by our communities

01:14:09.540 without inflicting even more damage or wickedness.

01:14:15.680 Now that I see many of these same businesses that we try to keep alive

01:14:19.560 will be openly segregating,

01:14:22.380 we will be moving firmly into a two-tier system,

01:14:26.080 the haves and have-nots.

01:14:27.880 As a business, you will now be mandated to turn customers away

01:14:31.420 based on their medical information,

01:14:33.020 which was private up until about five minutes ago.

01:14:37.080 You will look your loyalist, most dedicated customers right in the eye

01:14:41.580 and tell them that you, yes, you, the mighty business owner,

01:14:47.700 deem them all unworthy.

01:14:50.260 If you can't see what the government did to you last year

01:14:53.060 and what they're making you do to yourself now,

01:14:56.020 I think you actually deserve to fail.

01:15:00.200 It's so obvious, it's sad.

01:15:03.020 At best, your business model has five years left.

01:15:06.800 Amazon will soon have one to two day delivery throughout Canada.

01:15:10.380 And at that point, you'll become a showroom for them until this proves unstable.

01:15:15.200 Do you really feel it's in your best interest to turn away the people who kept you going?

01:15:22.800 You're cutting your own throats.

01:15:25.260 I could do without pre-made meals. 0.80

01:15:27.640 I can do without movie theaters and all the other niceties.

01:15:31.520 Restaurants have no appeal to me now.

01:15:33.840 Can you, the business owner, handle being given the power to become your own executioner?

01:15:42.640 Because that is what you are doing.

01:15:45.900 And you might sit there and you might think to yourself, 20% at best.

01:15:52.080 20% of our customers at best.

01:15:53.940 That's all we're going to lose.

01:15:54.860 So can we get by with 80% of our former business?

01:15:59.260 Probably.

01:15:59.780 but guys it's going to be more than that

01:16:02.120 it's going to be much more than that

01:16:04.300 because when fully

01:16:06.320 vaccinated means three shots

01:16:08.320 you're going to lose people

01:16:10.600 and then you lose

01:16:12.300 more when fully vaccinated becomes

01:16:14.380 four shots and so on

01:16:16.660 and so on and so on

01:16:18.660 and on a happy note

01:16:24.000 I see that ABBA is getting back together

01:16:26.360 again and recording their first album

01:16:28.120 in over 40 years.

01:16:31.200 I found that on ctv.ca today,

01:16:33.720 and guys, I believe that is the kind of news

01:16:35.660 that organization should stick to.

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01:17:18.160 wow there's a lot of comments tonight you guys

01:17:21.920 hey you know what al bueller um are we going to have that party or what

01:17:29.960 are we going to have that party al because i got a band together now the band is ready to rock all

01:17:37.740 we need is the high sign from you so are we going to have this party because time's a wasting it's

01:17:41.860 september the second we got to start planning this thing two three weeks from now we're going

01:17:46.040 have to get booze if we can get into a liquor store that is i'm not sure our liquor stores

01:17:50.600 requiring a double vax do they need the double vax pass let's see wait a minute

01:18:00.920 wait a minute i saw a post here okay this is janelle dupuis

01:18:07.480 uh you know what janelle thank you for this i'm putting this on here without having read it first

01:18:13.480 So I might regret this, but let's hope not.

01:18:19.460 Janelle says, I am not anti-vax.

01:18:21.940 I believe we should all make our own choice and not be shamed for it.

01:18:25.240 My gut told me not to get it and to wait it out.

01:18:28.740 After hearing about all the adverse reactions, I don't want it.

01:18:32.240 I also have health issues, which I won't go into detail with.

01:18:35.960 Why is the government pushing this so damn hard?

01:18:38.100 Well, that's a good question.

01:18:39.620 There's a lot of theories on that.

01:18:41.400 No real answers.

01:18:42.240 this should concern everyone they're taking away things that make us who we are and the things that

01:18:48.220 make us happy it's affecting a lot of people mentally uh i don't know what the rest of this

01:18:53.580 says i've only got room for so many words on this particular version of the software but thank you

01:18:59.080 janelle for uh for writing that and now i can't seem to get it off the screen because you guys

01:19:05.700 just keep writing me new new comments let me see if i can find it ah there it is okay uh yeah you

01:19:12.060 know what what we're hoping for as this goes on and this is going to move quickly is for the 1.00

01:19:18.700 double vaccinated to stand up and cut their cards like that because that's going to give us new 1.00

01:19:25.700 steam also don't think for one second guys that that rally we had yesterday is the last one

01:19:31.040 they need to get bigger i don't care what brent rusen says i no longer care what brent rusen says

01:19:37.020 i i've got the feeling there are certain people within law enforcement that don't care either

01:19:41.720 not anymore not after what they've been forced to do the cops for the past 18 months arresting

01:19:49.140 one guy 10 of them show up arrest one guy come on they know that's just intimidation tactics 0.83

01:19:55.820 it's bullshit they're going to keep the guy in jail for 12 hours and let him out with 0.94

01:19:59.720 bail conditions ridiculous but you know what we have to feel this up for ourselves we have to see 0.98

01:20:06.960 who is with us and who is against us i'll figure out a strategy for that at some point in the next

01:20:15.120 couple of days too like maybe a secret password tippy toe tippy toe like seinfeld member all

01:20:24.720 right guys that's it for tonight uh have a great night i'll be back tomorrow at eight

01:20:29.360 o'clock for another shadow at night live stream until then i love you all and i will talk to you

01:20:34.640 soon.

The Shadoe Davis Show - December 10, 2021

Shadoe at Nite w⧸special guests lawyers Derek From and Nicholas Wansbutter

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