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00:01:41.720 Now, get in the zone.

00:01:43.540 It's the Stone Zone.

00:01:45.560 Here's Roger Stone.

00:01:48.180 And we have a special team in for you tonight.

00:01:50.080 I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone with Michael Cohen.

00:01:53.620 And just as a little teaser right off the top,

00:01:56.760 Michael Cohen is going to break some news on this program,

00:01:58.940 but you're going to have to wait until after the break.

00:02:01.220 But it's going to be interesting.

00:02:02.560 He's got an interesting meeting with someone tomorrow.

00:02:04.520 Well, that's, again, assuming that they haven't already read it or heard it or what have you. 0.72

00:02:08.920 Well, I'm banking on an illiterate audience.

00:02:11.660 All right. 0.62

00:02:12.020 Well, we will make that announcement in just a little bit.

00:02:17.900 Yeah.

00:02:18.180 Off the air, we've already had a good show, Michael and I talking about a couple of the big issues of the day.

00:02:24.000 You know, I want to talk.

00:02:24.960 There's a couple of there's a an overriding theme, I think, to a couple of the stories that everyone's talking about today.

00:02:30.640 And I think I'll make Michael happy because I have a heavy criticism from my fellow conservatives about the way that they're approaching some of these stories.

00:02:38.160 but it feels a lot like we've got college kids and young americans who don't necessarily know

00:02:45.420 the value of a dollar or found out the hard way in our news so there's two stories i want to talk

00:02:50.720 about first is this developing story still developing out of penn state this guy in a

00:02:56.220 fraternity running a massive cocaine ring on campus and for those of you who don't know penn

00:03:00.740 state the name of the town is literally called state college it's a massive college town it's

00:03:06.300 And to be the number one cocaine distributor in a place like that with all these young people, it's a big deal.

00:03:12.360 And for those of you that aren't aware, cocaine is a drug.

00:03:15.320 It's a drug.

00:03:16.220 It is no longer in Coca-Cola.

00:03:18.280 It was briefly, and no wonder it was very popular at that time.

00:03:21.920 Yes, it's a drug.

00:03:23.000 And it's funny.

00:03:23.560 It's not a drug that we hear about as much anymore.

00:03:25.720 No, right?

00:03:26.180 I hear cocaine.

00:03:26.860 I'm thinking 1987.

00:03:27.840 I mean, now everybody's really worried more about fentanyl and also propofol and other things like that.

00:03:34.620 But specifically fentanyl coming from China, that is just an absolute killer.

00:03:40.620 But think about this, because I remember when I was back in college from 84 to 88.

00:03:47.780 Yeah, cocaine was everywhere, but it wasn't being dealt by fraternities.

00:03:54.380 Maybe they were using it, but they weren't being dealt.

00:03:56.700 You didn't have the head of the fraternity using pledges for distributors and for basically mules.

00:04:06.400 You know, what struck me about this story, of course, when we first heard about it, that was the first thing that I thought about, just like Michael Cohen just said.

00:04:15.360 You know, I didn't know anyone when I was in college who used cocaine, although we knew of people who knew people.

00:04:21.860 I had at least two degrees of separation, but certainly didn't know people who were dealing.

00:04:26.700 But then I saw another aspect of the story today, which is that this guy who was really the ringleader of this, and his name is Agostino Abattiello.

00:04:35.380 He's from Westbury, Long Island, not far from from me.

00:04:39.120 It turns out he was using some of the frat brothers who owed him money.

00:04:43.220 He lent them money, some of them to go on spring break, others to cover.

00:04:46.000 And this is something that really hit home for me, Michael, because, you know, who was one of those kids in college who had friends and went to a school that was very fancy and had a lot of friends who were a lot wealthier than he was?

00:04:55.960 That was me.

00:04:56.400 I was the one who borrowed money from friends and spent a long time paying them back over the years.

00:05:02.280 A lot of things that parents need to understand is even if you cover the tuition room and board,

00:05:06.760 even if you cover the trips back and forth to school, don't forget you're sending your kid to a private university or even a public university.

00:05:15.280 There's going to be a lot of peer pressure to spend money.

00:05:17.640 Go on spring bake, spend money, make sure that they have they know the value of a dollar.

00:05:21.080 You know, it's interesting. So I remember one of the first stories when I was there at the Trump organization was Don Jr., who went to University of Pennsylvania.

00:05:34.500 And his father, our president, was very tight with him when it came to money.

00:05:41.460 He said he wanted them to understand the value of a dollar.

00:05:46.600 Now, you have to understand, in those days, the drinking age was younger,

00:05:50.340 but not to the point where Don was even of age.

00:05:54.300 He was working.

00:05:55.340 He was working as a bartender in order to make extra money.

00:05:59.080 This is Donald Trump Jr., right, in order to learn the value of a dollar.

00:06:03.700 Here, what this kid did, whatever his name was, the one from Westbury.

00:06:09.720 Agostino Abitiello.

00:06:11.260 Abitiello.

00:06:11.900 He figured out how to go ahead and how to use his finances in order to bring these people in, to make them beholden to him, to commit these crimes.

00:06:27.640 The great – one of the greatest lines in all of Shakespeare in Hamlet, in Laertes tells his son, neither a borrower nor a lender be.

00:06:35.320 Not that we're against – an economy needs that kind of lending and borrowing.

00:06:39.640 But can you say that, please, with the English –

00:06:41.160 I mean, if you're going to do Shakespeare. 0.80

00:06:42.080 Neither a Barrow nor a Lender B. 1.00

00:06:44.360 Much better, because it sounds better that way.

00:06:46.780 I heard a great joke.

00:06:47.480 It was a mockumentary, and they were walking through Shakespeare's hometown.

00:06:50.420 This is a hilarious joke.

00:06:51.420 It was one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

00:06:53.180 So it looked very – I didn't know it was a mockumentary when I first watched it.

00:06:56.420 And it's a woman walking through Avon, Stratford-on-Avon, where Shakespeare was born.

00:07:01.180 And she says, this is where Shakespeare was born.

00:07:03.560 And when he went to school, it was much easier for him.

00:07:06.740 Why?

00:07:07.500 Because he didn't have to study Shakespeare.

00:07:09.160 here exactly hilarious or since you're talking about avon you remember that from the sopranos

00:07:15.280 right knock knock who's there avon right it was it was sopranos guys a little bit um all kidding

00:07:23.360 aside this is something you know i so i have an older daughter who's already graduated college

00:07:27.080 and learned very much the value of the dollar when she was up at binghamton my younger daughter is

00:07:32.900 going to college next week starting college and um you know what it's it's really important i mean

00:07:38.960 And again, believe me, I'm in favor of borrowing and lending for the economy among adults.

00:07:42.860 But when you send a child away, it's not bad advice.

00:07:46.020 Don't get into the borrowing or the lending world.

00:07:48.640 It will consume you.

00:07:50.380 And there's other issues there.

00:07:51.920 If you want to become a borrower and a lender, go get a job at a mortgage bank after you graduate or get a summer job doing that.

00:07:57.460 That's fine.

00:07:58.420 But borrowing and lending money among friends can lead to stuff.

00:08:02.400 And I learned it the hard way myself.

00:08:03.700 Well, especially here when you have somebody who's predisposed to using people, which this kid did, especially when you're talking about whether it's fraternities or these type of organizations where the other kids wanted to get in.

00:08:19.240 They wanted to be a part of that fraternity.

00:08:21.920 And here it's, well, take this money, borrow it.

00:08:25.920 You want to be part of the fraternity?

00:08:27.180 Now I need you to act as a mule, break the law.

00:08:29.700 and look at now the damage that these handful of kids had done how about the fact that one of the

00:08:35.160 parents or you know was a lawyer in this too big lawyer in pittsburgh you're listening to uh the

00:08:40.240 rogers the stone zone jake novak i'm jake novak along with michael cohen now here's something

00:08:43.980 michael's gonna like because of the two of us i'm the dyed in the wool right wing conservative guy

00:08:49.080 that's me but when i see this story and the way it's being covered in the right wing news media

00:08:54.040 also reminds me of stories also of kids who have big student loans it makes me nuts if i had hair

00:08:59.380 I would be pulling it out over the way the right wing news media gets these stories wrong.

00:09:03.740 They're having a big they're having a big laugh fest over at Fox and some of these other right wing outlets laughing at this kid.

00:09:09.540 They're calling him Pablo Pablo Pledscobar.

00:09:12.480 OK, listen, fine. Have your one joke.

00:09:14.880 They do the same thing to these kids who graduate with crazy student loans.

00:09:19.040 Folks, this is not the time to be making fun of these kids.

00:09:22.520 You want to go after someone in this story about kids with huge loans and debts and the expense of going up to college.

00:09:28.220 go after the schools the racket of college tuition which it is a racket is something that

00:09:35.000 needs to be pushed and there are some conservatives who figured this out michael cohen chuck grassley

00:09:39.600 and josh hawley two senators republican senators have proposed for years to put the colleges on

00:09:44.620 the hook for 50 cents of every defaulted dollar in student loans i love that idea i mean that'll

00:09:49.360 stop tuition inflation like that and why not you know a vacation rental should come with support

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00:10:04.620 listing says heated pool, but there's actually no pool to heat. Definitely a VerboCare thing. 1.00

00:10:08.840 If my teenager starts calling me Leslie instead of mom. That's a family thing, Leslie. That makes

00:10:13.180 sense. Sorry. Book with support, not surprises. VerboCare and 24-7 live support. If you know,

00:10:18.440 Again, while many Americans, especially folks like Mayor Moron Mamdani that wants to go after the exceptionally wealthy class,

00:10:33.840 what they ignore is the fact that these exceptionally wealthy people, they actually do, many of them, some great things with their money.

00:10:42.200 Just walk past any hospital.

00:10:44.140 Where do you think that wing came from?

00:10:46.120 Like the Ike Perlmutter Cancer Center.

00:10:48.440 like the Mike Milliken who basically wiped out prostate cancer.

00:10:53.080 Like, I mean, there's just the Tish, Preston Tish Medical Center.

00:10:59.720 You just name it, and that's what it is.

00:11:01.860 How about what's his name who went ahead and is paying for medical school

00:11:08.760 for every single person?

00:11:11.520 Yeah, the Ken Langone, who, by the way, has also the medical center too.

00:11:15.780 I mean, he's paying for doctors, anyone who wants to be a doctor, except I think dermatology or dentistry, maybe.

00:11:23.380 Well, it's made NYU the number one med school to want to get into in America because it's free.

00:11:27.740 And because when you come out of medical school, you are so deep into debt that you can't make a living in order to cover the debt.

00:11:40.220 So this man, with all of his money, is doing something great with it.

00:11:44.560 And so before we actually throw the baby out with the bathwater, just to understand, they actually, many of them, do some pretty great things for the country as well.

00:11:56.260 Yeah, but just to get back to the misguided conservative laugh fest over this story and other stories like it, these colleges and universities have created a life where if you don't have money, you are going to be heavily pressured into putting in money.

00:12:10.500 And yes, these kids should have gotten a job and not taken out loans, all that kind of stuff. But the people to bash in this case is, first of all, the ringleader himself, this kid from Long Island, who's not such a kid anymore, is 24 years old and was still hanging around. But look, folks, this is a racket.

00:12:24.840 Our kids – you really want to blame every 18-year-old in America for going to a liberal arts college when they were told by everyone, including the college, that this is a pathway to success in America or intellectual greatness.

00:12:36.520 It's – yes, you should sit down with your kids and make sure that they know the value of the dollar and the value of their major and things like that.

00:12:43.480 But you understand that that is pushing against a major con that the whole world has been hearing for a long time.

00:12:48.760 And by the way, their parents may not be college graduates themselves.

00:12:51.380 They may not actually know the game, as Michael Cohen often calls it.

00:12:55.660 Some of these things are a game, and the tuition racket is a game.

00:12:59.380 And I would urge the conservatives making a big joke out of this story or thinking it's just – don't do that.

00:13:04.580 Don't do that.

00:13:05.100 You want to push back on someone, push back on these schools for what they're charging, which, by the way, they do not have to charge it.

00:13:10.940 The two lies they say is, one, well, it costs a lot of money to educate your kid.

00:13:14.700 Lie.

00:13:15.160 If it's a large institution, it costs them nothing per capita.

00:13:17.920 Nothing.

00:13:18.760 Second, well, you know, the states have cut our funding.

00:13:21.980 Another lie.

00:13:22.580 They haven't cut your funding.

00:13:23.540 They've cut the rate of increase on your funding.

00:13:25.580 No state has taken a material amount of money away from schools that they already have.

00:13:30.520 And if by chance you happen to be one of the super intellects and you end up going to one of these Ivy League schools, Harvard's, Yale's, University of Pennsylvania's, et cetera, they have endowments right now that are larger than some third world countries.

00:13:48.760 It's insane.

00:13:50.320 In fact, the interest alone from Harvard University could pay the entire tuition for every single school of every single student can pay for everything, including all of the professors at the at the highest level and still have money left over.

00:14:10.040 And if when they turn around and they tell you that, you know, well, we're going to need you to pay part of the tuition or take out a student loan or what have you, it's disingenuous.

00:14:19.820 That's right. And they get kickbacks from the student loan companies.

00:14:22.440 Many of the colleges, including Columbia, got caught doing that years ago.

00:14:26.820 Folks, this is we have to do a better job of giving our kids better options for training in adult life.

00:14:34.620 And there are a lot of people to blame for this.

00:14:36.580 i urge you fox news and i urge you all listening i know it's funny to make fun of the barista who

00:14:42.480 has a phd in in in uh so in poetry okay get your joke in now but stop with that the last people

00:14:49.340 you should be blaming are the young people themselves stop blaming them do they should

00:14:53.120 they have more responsibility yes but they are sucked in by a racket our tax laws make it 1.00

00:14:58.840 necessary i mean you're stupid of your university and you're not charging the most possible money 0.98

00:15:03.260 Because if I say to Michael Cohen, I'm going to give your kid, it's $100,000 a year to go to our school, but I'm going to give your kid $70,000 in scholarships. 1.00

00:15:10.700 It's a phony sticker price.

00:15:12.120 But guess what?

00:15:12.660 They go to the IRS and they say, hey, look how charitable we are.

00:15:15.200 Now we get to keep our tax-free endowment.

00:15:16.820 It's a racket.

00:15:17.600 You know, look, we all understand the importance of money.

00:15:21.520 We all understand that money provides you with certain things.

00:15:25.260 And who also understands this?

00:15:27.280 Well, clearly Dr. Fauci and Dr. Morans, right?

00:15:30.700 Because as I wrote in my sub stack, and I turn around and I say to people all the time, you should really read my sub stack because I'm New York snark and I have that sort of wit about me.

00:15:42.120 And he works on it very hard, folks.

00:15:43.340 I've seen it in action.

00:15:44.220 I sure do.

00:15:45.080 So I called my article The COVID Cover-Up Continues because that's what it is.

00:15:50.640 So I myself personally got lambasted by the left, especially the far left, lambasted over the fact that who am I to question the great Dr. Fauci?

00:16:04.540 I can't possibly imagine.

00:16:07.400 I can't imagine that I'm not allowed to ask questions.

00:16:11.720 I believe that it's questions that create science, right?

00:16:15.920 And the fact that I am being attacked because I would like to know what it is that Dr. Fauci truly believes.

00:16:24.180 Why is it Dr. Morin is now hiding documents and now is in violation of that specific act?

00:16:31.280 I want to know what's in my body.

00:16:33.240 Let's dig into this a little bit more when we come back.

00:16:34.980 Also, we have the breaking news involving Michael Cohen's schedule for tomorrow, in case you haven't already read it.

00:16:39.860 We're going to get into that because, by the way, with this Fauci story, I'm sensing, and maybe I'm being a –

00:16:45.820 Maybe I'm being too optimistic, but I'm starting to sense a little bit of bipartisan cooperation, at least in the in a mental state on this story.

00:16:52.880 Anyway, this is the Stone Zone.

00:16:54.180 I'm Jake Novak and that's Michael Cohen.

00:16:56.280 We're filling in for Roger Stone and we got a lot more for you.

00:16:58.980 Stay with us.

00:17:00.180 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:17:06.940 Jake Novak, that's me and Michael Cohen.

00:17:09.220 That's him in for Roger Stone in the Stone Zone tonight.

00:17:11.480 Like, you know, we're not going to make you wait any longer.

00:17:13.320 Michael Cohen's going to be talking to somebody pretty interesting tomorrow.

00:17:16.000 Tell our listeners about it.

00:17:17.060 So I get this phone call after the announcement came out.

00:17:20.560 Not by us, by the way.

00:17:21.500 It got leaked out by the White House.

00:17:23.380 So they asked me, well, do you have something that you'd like to say?

00:17:26.940 And not being shy to have something to say, I actually said, can you give me about a minute or two?

00:17:31.560 I want to put something down.

00:17:32.760 So let me share it with the audience.

00:17:34.760 I said eight years of silence, hundreds of thousands of headlines, a decade and a half of history,

00:17:42.260 fractured in an instant until now and tomorrow at six o'clock p.m. on 77 wabc the moment you

00:17:51.360 thought would never live to hear two men bound by an unshakable connection who together shaped

00:17:58.040 the path to the presidency two old friends separated by time betrayal and the world's

00:18:04.520 biggest spotlight sit down face to face it's time to talk no script no handlers just michael

00:18:11.460 cohen and president donald j trump confronting the past to resuscitate a 15-year bond question

00:18:19.440 becomes can loyalty survive the fallout well you're gonna have to listen only exclusively

00:18:25.320 on 77 wabc because history it's not just made it's forgiven so make sure don't miss it oh michael

00:18:34.500 cohen is going to put all the promo departments out of business that was pretty well done i hope

00:18:38.280 we didn't pay any pr firm no i actually wrote it myself i mean i hope we didn't pay for them to do

00:18:42.100 any additional uh promoting of that uh should i have put on a different voice no no that's pretty

00:18:46.780 good yeah maybe you could pretend it and you could you create a shell corporation and be your own pr

00:18:50.900 firm and give it and we'll bill you uh you'll bill us all right we got a lot more to talk about

00:18:55.460 including this dr fauci thing do i sense some bipartisanship about fauci suddenly emerging i

00:19:01.020 hope so we'll be right back with the stones

00:19:02.340 the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network

00:19:17.120 i'm jake novak in for roger stone with michael cohen jake novak and michael cohen in

00:19:21.580 the stone zone and i don't know what you're doing tomorrow night at 6 p.m eastern time

00:19:26.180 i don't know what you think you're doing but what you're doing now is you're tuning into wabc

00:19:30.500 and listening to... Listen, getting an interview

00:19:32.780 with President Trump, a live interview with him

00:19:34.660 is always worth listening to, but I mean

00:19:36.520 it's going to be Michael Cohen, the man sitting

00:19:38.440 to my left at this moment, who's going to be live

00:19:40.700 interviewing him. I mean, come on.

00:19:42.960 You've got to... Whether you love

00:19:44.500 Trump or hate Trump, you've got to listen

00:19:46.520 to this. So I was sitting this afternoon with

00:19:48.360 John Katsimatidis, the president and CEO

00:19:50.620 over here at WABC

00:19:52.160 77, and he turned

00:19:54.600 around and he said to me, are you sure that Donald's

00:19:56.460 going to call in at 6 o'clock?

00:19:59.620 I said,

00:20:00.040 And, you know, it's funny that you say that because what happens if he calls in at five?

00:20:06.860 So John immediately said, well, if he calls in at five, you immediately come to the studio.

00:20:12.360 We go straight to you.

00:20:14.320 You take over here in the main seat in the studio one.

00:20:18.320 And, you know, you just run that interview because when you're fortunate enough to have Donald J. Trump as the as the interviewer, as the interviewee, well, then you just do it.

00:20:28.980 So, Michael Cohen, I know –

00:20:31.080 But so far it's at 6 o'clock.

00:20:32.340 Yeah, as you teased us before the break, there's going to be some personal stuff you're going to talk about.

00:20:37.920 But also – I mean, are you going to also look at – ask him about some big picture things going on right now as well?

00:20:42.520 Yes.

00:20:43.100 Okay.

00:20:43.420 In fact, the funniest part is right after the announcement, all these newspapers, they started reaching out,

00:20:48.660 hey, you know, tell us, what do you think?

00:20:51.240 And they try to become your friends, right?

00:20:53.360 You know that the media never your friends.

00:20:55.220 So disingenuous.

00:20:56.640 Beyond.

00:20:57.040 So he turns around and he says to me, hey, it's been a long time.

00:21:00.300 Yeah, sure, it's been a very long time.

00:21:02.360 Nice to hear your voice.

00:21:03.200 What do you want?

00:21:03.920 And then he says to me, well, how are you going to start it off?

00:21:07.540 It's been such a long time that you and Donald have publicly spoken.

00:21:11.500 I said, yeah, that's true.

00:21:12.880 It's been eight years since we've publicly spoken.

00:21:15.700 Now, of course, as everybody knows, we've seen each other privately, had conversation,

00:21:21.240 but those are private conversations.

00:21:23.260 this is the first public conversation in eight long years so he said well how are you going to

00:21:29.000 start off the conversation so i said six o'clock p.m right on when you know you know special edition

00:21:35.900 yeah i mean you can't they want you to give away the store it's so it's so it's so sad uh it's like

00:21:41.780 the kid asking to copy your homework uh you know in school and then he does and he copies the whole

00:21:46.500 homework including the name at the top so the teacher the next day says listen i have two

00:21:49.420 homeworks from michael and none from jake what's going on you know um but uh it's an interesting

00:21:55.280 thing um look you know one of the things that i think has helped keep me sane and maybe the

00:22:00.820 i know a lot of people who are like me in this is and i know i'm rare in this way and i'm not

00:22:06.340 trying to boast about it i'm just trying to say this is the kind of person i am my interest in

00:22:10.360 politics has a lot to do with policy it's not that i don't want to read about personal stuff

00:22:14.820 i i certainly when that when that comes into play you know you you can't understand our

00:22:19.540 presidents unless you understand some of their personal machinations so i get that at the so

00:22:23.520 but this is something i'm interested in i mean this you have so many relationships in business

00:22:27.880 and this is someone our first real career business person getting right into the white 0.74

00:22:33.840 ass we've had a lot of presidents who had businesses but frankly they weren't really 0.95

00:22:37.420 that good at him you know george washington god bless him not the greatest businessman

00:22:40.840 his plantation was not the biggest success uh harry truman failed failed in business uh doesn't

00:22:47.480 make them bad people in fact failed business people if they learn their lessons from them

00:22:50.460 are pretty darn good but you know i gotta ask you uh well you know what let's not give it away let's

00:22:55.760 not do the same thing that these people are doing to you in the press but let's if if you do ask him

00:23:01.260 about dr fauci and these kinds of things what would some i mean i'm so interested now because

00:23:05.020 i do feel like and maybe it was because bill maher waded into this a couple weeks ago i do feel like

00:23:10.440 now for the first time on the left and from democrats in general there is some crack in the

00:23:16.720 in the in the cult of fauci i'm starting to feel like they realize something went bad here yeah

00:23:22.320 well we all know that something went bad how do you know because dr fauci took the fifth 111 times

00:23:30.420 and if that in and of itself isn't bad enough well now you have dr morin's his sidekick turning

00:23:37.420 around and refusing to release documents to the point that he now pled guilty to hiding

00:23:44.120 information.

00:23:44.980 I personally believe if, look, I'm not a doctor.

00:23:49.860 I don't claim to be a virologist, an epidemiologist.

00:23:53.840 I listened to the experts.

00:23:57.280 I was told that this is what you need to do, not just to protect your own health, but to

00:24:03.920 protect say you and others that around you with the herd immunity concept my children lost time

00:24:11.240 from school with this you know studying and so on uh on on their computers they lost you know um

00:24:19.180 friends right and family members i lost an aunt you know to to covid i lost a um a cousin you

00:24:26.740 know to covid there comes a point in time when the responsibility accountability must be had

00:24:35.400 all i want to know is and i should be entitled what did dr fauci know what did dr morin's know

00:24:43.000 i'm not saying he did anything wrong i'm also not saying he didn't why because none of us have the

00:24:48.720 facts and that's what i constantly yell about that's what i write about in my sub stack it's

00:24:53.800 what i talk about on my show when you know you know amongst other things but i just want the

00:24:59.700 facts and i believe all americans are entitled to these facts we put something into our body

00:25:05.900 i want to know why and i not want to know exactly what it is and what it could potentially do to me

00:25:12.840 in the future that's michael cohen i'm jake novak um i think that there's two issues here

00:25:17.920 at every american person right wing left wing immigrant sixth generation american we all need

00:25:24.500 to know two things and they don't necessarily have to be the biggest conspiracy of evil of all

00:25:31.020 time but it's the longer that we don't get the answers to this it starts to feel that way first

00:25:34.900 is how did covet originate and to tell you all the truth at the time that covet started to become a

00:25:41.480 thing in early 2020 i was working at a very ramshackle media organization that i'm not

00:25:48.680 going to name and yet i could get dr fauci on any one of my programs on this very lowly low-rated

00:25:53.500 uh network like that no problem and i gotta tell you it made me very suspicious why is this guy

00:25:58.780 saying yes every time i call him an hour before for this very low-rated program so i'm wondering

00:26:03.640 because you're the great jake nova well you know i mean i do floss regularly but i have to i have

00:26:08.240 to say you know it made me wonder this guy is too interested in this and i was told by some people

00:26:13.060 who had worked with him in the past that oh he's doing this because he was embarrassed during the

00:26:17.360 aids crisis when he wanted to shut down every restaurant gay bar not just the bathhouses and 0.79

00:26:21.920 he wants to get in but they admitted that there was something wacko going on here the other thing

00:26:26.600 but now it seems to me it seems to me that maybe he was trying to get out in front of this because

00:26:31.260 he knew what we have suspected now for a long time that this gain of function research may have led

00:26:36.540 to the lab leak do i think that he wanted that to happen no but you got to own up to that and the

00:26:41.620 second thing is what you just referenced what did he know about the vaccine was he shoving this

00:26:45.920 vaccine down everybody's throats and into our arms uh knowing that it really wasn't tested

00:26:51.040 and i gotta say one other thing michael cohen and neither one of us are medical doctors but why on

00:26:56.020 god's green earth did they call it a vaccine because now we have legitimate vaccines that

00:27:00.500 people don't trust anymore and i can't blame them for not trusting that they shouldn't do it

00:27:04.980 but when you call something that clearly doesn't work like a vaccine wasn't successful caused a

00:27:10.240 lot of problems then someone's going to say like well now i don't want to take the polio or the

00:27:14.020 mumps vaccine lots of luck with that right it was terrible branding in the very least yeah and you

00:27:19.100 know what one of the things i wrote in my sub stack and i again tell people that they should

00:27:22.960 go read it the real michael cohen what doesn't work is telling citizens to trust the experts

00:27:29.380 while simultaneously making it harder for those citizens

00:27:33.200 to see what the experts were actually saying to one another.

00:27:37.580 We, you, me, we have the right to know.

00:27:41.140 By the way, we pay their salaries.

00:27:43.420 They work for us, not the other way around.

00:27:46.080 Yeah, and also don't fall for this other thing.

00:27:47.720 A lot of times when we have a scenario like Michael Cohen just described,

00:27:51.980 you know, the experts, you're supposed to trust the experts.

00:27:54.660 And a lot of times if you ask them a question about it,

00:27:56.840 they'll come around sooner or later to saying,

00:27:58.680 you know what this is too difficult for you you can't understand it you know einstein one of the

00:28:02.520 many things he said was you don't really understand the concept until you can explain it to lay people

00:28:07.880 in regular terms so if you can't explain it to me in regular terms is it because you can't and then

00:28:14.800 i'm worried that you don't even know what you're doing with the vaccine or any other scientific

00:28:17.760 experiment or because you won't because if you do explain it clearly you would have said listen

00:28:22.800 we think this is basically a prophylactic for this disease we're not really sure it's going to work

00:28:27.400 in great numbers we haven't really tested it properly but we got to look like we're doing

00:28:31.300 something yeah but you know what we have we have millions of americans millions who live through

00:28:37.160 extraordinary government restrictions that literally affected their jobs their businesses

00:28:43.380 their schools their families their churches travel personal medical decisions and yet somehow

00:28:49.820 somehow and i can't figure this crap out the most controversial question becomes whether that we're

00:28:55.920 even allowed to ask the questions that we want answers to yeah uh you know listen that's always

00:29:02.860 uh there's there's respectful pushback and and for those of you who are educators i hope that you

00:29:08.440 uh follow this policy as well you know there's a certain amount of smart alecky kind of behavior

00:29:14.980 you can take from a kid in a class or a student in the class but as long as it's generally

00:29:18.620 respectful you if you don't have an atmosphere in a learning atmosphere or just in life where

00:29:25.380 it's okay to ask a question then you're that's not a healthy place that's not a healthy place

00:29:30.480 to be uh and uh listen this is this is something and like i said before so bill maher waited in

00:29:36.580 on this a couple of weeks ago by reading excerpts from fauci's diary that made him look terrible

00:29:41.500 and bill maher didn't have to do any selective editing he fauci made himself look terrible

00:29:45.560 so listen bill maher is one of these guys who makes a lot of money saying things that

00:29:50.540 conservatives have said for a long time but he just says it two years later and it's frustrating

00:29:53.880 because people like me said it well before he did,

00:29:56.760 but whatever, he's got a better agent

00:29:57.880 and he's got a good show.

00:29:59.120 So I get it.

00:29:59.780 All right.

00:30:00.460 But that said, he isn't the only one now.

00:30:03.500 Now I think I'm hearing from other regular people,

00:30:05.600 not the pundits.

00:30:06.540 Listen, the left-wing pundits on the air

00:30:07.960 are defending Fauci or ignoring it.

00:30:10.240 But people I know in my personal life

00:30:12.220 who are left-wingers and Democrats,

00:30:14.320 I'm hearing a few of them say,

00:30:15.940 you know, this guy Fauci is bad.

00:30:18.280 Well, something's wrong with somebody

00:30:19.860 who takes the fifth 111 times.

00:30:22.400 this isn't david chapelle i take the fifth right f-i-f i take the fifth so many amendments

00:30:28.920 one two three four five right i mean remember this that during covid because each and every

00:30:36.840 one of us remember this i love that david chapelle rules right that show the fifth when that show was

00:30:44.260 canceled it was like a day of mourning for me too meanwhile during covid every single one of the

00:30:50.560 people that are listening to us right now and laughing ordinary citizens that were out there

00:30:55.640 repeatedly told every single one of us every single day that the debate is over there is no debate

00:31:02.860 and you're a bad person that's right you're a bad science trust the experts don't question the

00:31:09.460 consensus but here's the here's something that i learned a long time ago consensus is not evidence 0.62

00:31:15.920 and authority is not truth that's the problem they wanted to they wanted us to absorb what

00:31:23.920 they wanted and and i did and so many other people did and now we just have some questions

00:31:30.660 and we don't have questions because one day we woke up oh my god it's tuesday and i have a

00:31:35.560 question no no no no we watched the we watched the guy who told us it was safe who told us

00:31:43.280 everything about it take the fifth 111 times we watched his sidekick now bury documents that

00:31:52.100 give us maybe maybe give us the answers that we're looking for he's michael cohen i'm jake

00:31:58.320 novak we're filling in for roger stone in the stone zone we're going to come back again to

00:32:02.120 remind you about why you need to be tuned into 770 wabc radio tomorrow for that live interview

00:32:07.320 mike michael's going to do with president trump but i also want to do one more segment about the

00:32:11.860 value of the dollar one of the biggest spokesmen for the democrat socialists of america seems like

00:32:16.780 he's the poster boy for the ethos of that whole crazed movement you're going to hear about this

00:32:21.060 guy when we come back the stone zone entertaining and informative on the red apple podcast network

00:32:29.280 jake novak and michael cohen live as we always are here on the stone zone in for roger stone

00:32:35.120 this evening and in case you're again very important that you set your watches and clocks

00:32:39.340 right now about 21 hours from now in eight minutes we're expecting the live interview

00:32:44.860 michael cohen will be interviewing president trump live on wabc 77 you can if you're not in

00:32:51.780 the new york area don't worry just download the app download the app anyway have it on your phone

00:32:55.340 and not and don't worry about a dial do all of that we've already previewed a little bit of it

00:33:00.060 without giving away anything because the news media wanted michael cohen to tell them you know

00:33:03.720 his list of questions i think one of the questions i may actually ask the president

00:33:07.680 is his opinion on Meghan and Harry moving back to the UK

00:33:11.900 because it's extremely, extremely important.

00:33:14.940 I'm sick of these people who are so desperate for public attention

00:33:18.740 and then they want privacy.

00:33:21.100 AOC is another. 1.00

00:33:22.020 AOC is always pushing back on people asking about her privacy 1.00

00:33:24.360 and then she posts videos of herself injecting herself for fertility treatments,

00:33:27.680 which is fine.

00:33:28.800 Listen, good luck for her.

00:33:30.200 I hope that she becomes a mother and learns the lessons of motherhood.

00:33:34.120 But then to turn around and say, stop trying to pry into my privacy.

00:33:37.340 I mean, these people are – they just don't know the difference between private and public, and then they berate you over their confusion.

00:33:42.920 And they crave it.

00:33:44.080 They actually – look, there are so many of them that are nothing but a bunch of phonies.

00:33:49.020 They don't believe anything that they're out there preaching. 0.99

00:33:51.960 They really don't because their whole goal is not about even this socialist stupid ideology like Mayor Moron Mamdani is trying to put out there. 0.99

00:34:02.940 Their goal is just to seek and to obtain power. 0.99

00:34:07.120 That's all that they're looking for.

00:34:08.420 They want the power.

00:34:10.000 They're willing to say and to do anything.

00:34:12.440 And they realize that right now affordability is a major, major problem in the United States, as well as, of course, here in New York.

00:34:22.220 Yeah, well, speaking of phonies, listen to this guy.

00:34:25.060 This is Gordon Gordillo, the number two guy at the Democrat Socialists of America in New York, talking about capitalism.

00:34:32.420 I want you to listen to what he had to say a couple of weeks ago on Fox.

00:34:35.580 And then we're going to tell you about this guy's balance sheet.

00:34:38.380 The number two guy.

00:34:40.360 Inspiration's great, but if you're the bodega owner, how would you feel?

00:34:43.980 If the government opened a big grocery store right next to your bodega, how would you feel?

00:34:49.820 If one publicly owned grocery store that brings prices down in the neighborhood is enough to put someone out of business,

00:34:56.880 then maybe they shouldn't have been in that business in the first place.

00:35:00.260 I didn't know that Economics 101 had become the finger-wagging, scolding thing.

00:35:04.700 his name is gustavo gordillo he's 38 years old he's the co-chair of the new york city chapter

00:35:09.980 the democrat socialists of america in other parts of that interview he really trashes capitalism

00:35:14.560 the problem is he went to yale he majored in sculpture and he's living in a one and a half

00:35:19.720 we just found out this found out over the last 28 hours or so he's living in a one and a half

00:35:24.400 million dollar brooklyn home given to him by his parents which by the way very nice thing for a

00:35:29.200 parent to do i'm not against that but this is the big enemy of capitalism no wonder he's against it

00:35:34.120 He's never actually had to work for anything.

00:35:36.520 Mommy, Daddy, I need a place to live.

00:35:39.160 Buy me a house.

00:35:40.180 Oh, here, son.

00:35:41.120 Here's $1.5 million.

00:35:43.140 Knock yourself.

00:35:43.680 And by the way, should that bodega be there?

00:35:46.500 Of course the bodega should be there.

00:35:47.900 That's exactly why when they have stores like the Costcos, the Walmarts, or these big gigantic box stores, everything in the area suffers.

00:35:57.060 I mean, look, that's just the way the system works.

00:36:00.660 And like you, I believe in capitalism.

00:36:03.360 I absolutely do.

00:36:04.000 I also believe that people should have food.

00:36:06.960 However, to have the government sit there and try to run a grocery store, right,

00:36:12.760 because they don't have to pay certain taxes.

00:36:15.920 They don't have to pay certain construction costs.

00:36:18.660 They have an unfair advantage.

00:36:20.680 It never works.

00:36:21.820 Why?

00:36:22.180 Because any time government sticks their hands into private business, what happens?

00:36:27.640 It fails.

00:36:28.560 It makes much, much more damage.

00:36:31.500 Look, I don't know why it's so hard for conservatives and liberals to say the following.

00:36:35.740 If you are truly unable to help yourself, either because of physical issues or mental issues, we will help you.

00:36:44.800 Everybody else, you need to do it yourself.

00:36:48.900 And for those people who are going to help, it's not going to be the kind of crappy welfare you get now.

00:36:53.000 If we just focus on the people who cannot really help themselves right now, they could they should get diamond quality health care, diamond quality food and housing, because it wouldn't be so many people would be focused on the people who really need the help.

00:37:05.440 And by the way, those people who are truly in need in the biggest way, both in economics and in health, by the way, the sickest one percent of people in America are responsible for 60 percent of the health care costs.

00:37:17.360 if we just paid for them we would have a huge huge relief on our system same thing i want to

00:37:24.760 help someone someone let's say is handicapped either mentally or physically someone who's very

00:37:28.940 elderly they should get diamond level care not the pittance that we give out why do we give out

00:37:33.100 a pittance because the politicians want to get as many votes as possible and make as many people

00:37:36.740 relying on them as possible that's not a way to do well that's not compassion right and what ends

00:37:41.260 up happening the system gets abused you start to see the charges that come in so now all of a sudden

00:37:48.040 oh he needs an mri he needs a pet scan he needs a cat scan he needs an x-ray he needs a sonogram

00:37:52.840 for what for what couldn't you have just done it with one one exam instead and what and what does

00:37:59.480 the cost end up doing it draws the entire system into that same sort of um magnet for fraud exactly

00:38:06.300 it's a magnet for fraud i want to go back to something you were talking about earlier to wrap

00:38:09.500 things up before we once again remind everybody tomorrow at 6 p.m. you got to listen to wabc 77

00:38:15.060 a.m. either live on your radio or on the app as michael cohen who's just sitting to me right now

00:38:20.680 live will be interviewing live president donald trump but the other thing about you look at what

00:38:25.280 the rich do and they put money out in the system if you saw the hobbit and big dragon smaug sitting

00:38:30.120 on that mountain of diamonds and gold coins that was a fantasy movie that's not what the rich do

00:38:35.180 they don't just sit on a mountain of money they spend it in this ready

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