The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - June 03, 2025


General Michael Flynn ｜ 06-02-25

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sneak attack in Ukraine
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Roger Stone Troy Smith Jake Novak
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Michael Flynn Donald Trump Lindsey Graham Zelensky Richard Blumenthal Vladimir Putin Godspeed Tulsi Danang Dick Blumenthal Don Nang Dick John Ratcliffe John Brennan Pete Hegseth Kristi Noem Erdogan Biden
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General Michael Flynn, former Director of Defense Intelligence and later the National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump, joins us to discuss the Ukraine sneak attack on Russia on the eve of peace talks, and whether or not the White House was aware of it.

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00:00:00.000 The Stone Zone on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:05.780 And we're back in the Stone Zone.
00:00:08.940 Over the weekend, Ukraine launched a surprise attack on Russia on the eve of peace talks.
00:00:17.280 And in the wake of Senator Lindsey Graham and Senator Richard Blumenthal, you remember him,
00:00:24.080 Don Nang Dick, the guy who lied about seeing combat in Vietnam when he was never even in Vietnam, visiting with Zelensky.
00:00:33.940 Here to help us break down the significance of this sneak attack and the entire dynamics of the situation is General Michael Flynn,
00:00:43.460 a three-star general who served this country for more than 33 years in uniform.
00:00:50.300 He, of course, was the Director of Defense Intelligence and later the National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump.
00:00:59.400 He is one of the finest Christian gentlemen and leaders I have known in a 50-year career in American politics.
00:01:07.740 General Flynn, welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:01:10.620 Thank you very much, Roger.
00:01:12.400 And I really do appreciate you, your audience, your great audience.
00:01:15.720 And The Stone Zone has been one of the really key, key voices out there, along with yours for the many, many years.
00:01:23.260 But The Stone Zone is just a terrific place to gather and listen to what's going on around the world.
00:01:30.060 We are honored to have you, by the way.
00:01:32.120 General Flynn has a new book out that you can pre-order.
00:01:35.540 It's called Pardon of Innocence.
00:01:37.360 It's an inspiring story of faith and freedom.
00:01:40.800 I urge you to go to Amazon and order that now.
00:01:43.340 I've already ordered my copy, even though the general's promised to sign one and send it to me.
00:01:48.580 General Flynn, let's go right to it.
00:01:51.060 Explain the significance of what happened this weekend in terms of this sneak attack.
00:01:56.920 The Ukrainians are calling it their Pearl Harbor. 0.83
00:01:59.780 Seems to me provocative in that with Lindsey Graham and Richard Blumenthal egging him on,
00:02:08.200 not to mention our European allies, these people are desperate to start World War III.
00:02:13.340 Yeah, so first of all, I think just for your audience, what happened and the significance of it is that,
00:02:22.680 you know, in the world of nuclear warfare, there's something called a triad.
00:02:27.960 And the triad, and we have it, and the Soviet Union or Russia, you know, had it, you know,
00:02:33.860 back when they were the Soviet Union, they still maintain it.
00:02:36.180 And in that triad, you have bombers, a bomber fleet that can carry nuclear, advanced nuclear weapons.
00:02:43.140 You have a submarine fleet that, you know, fires nuclear submarine, nuclear missiles from the subs,
00:02:49.780 you know, below the surface of the ocean.
00:02:51.900 And then you have missile-based intercontinental ballistic missiles.
00:02:56.160 Well, what the Ukrainians did, and apparently it's been planned for some time, they say as much as a year, year and a half,
00:03:03.120 what they did was they took out a component of Russia's triad, which is really, they destroyed about 50%, 0.65
00:03:10.560 I'm told about 50% of their land-based bomber fleet.
00:03:15.580 And that land-based bomber fleet, by treaty, is supposed to be visible to both countries.
00:03:21.800 We are supposed to not have those hidden anywhere.
00:03:24.480 They're supposed to be visible because of treaty obligations.
00:03:28.020 They do get moved around every so often to just strategically shift those resources around.
00:03:36.060 But the sensitive communications about where they're at at any given time is at the highest levels of our government.
00:03:43.340 So this is a really serious target of things that the Ukrainians actually went after.
00:03:50.860 So that's sort of a brief, you know, background on the triad,
00:03:54.760 which is a really important component of both the U.S. and Russia's weapons systems and weapons capabilities.
00:04:03.180 The targeting now, the year and a half of planning that apparently the Ukrainians went through,
00:04:07.940 the targeting had to be very, very specific.
00:04:10.960 And I do believe that Ukraine had to have outside intelligence, a foreign intelligence capability that probably supported their targeting to be able to get the right targeting,
00:04:25.400 to be able to, you know, secure the information, get the resources like these trucks with trailers and the various drones in place,
00:04:33.660 and to maintain a level of secrecy and to get the capabilities where they were actually parked.
00:04:42.520 So there had to have been a foreign influence there, a foreign intelligence capability.
00:04:48.860 You know, it could be MI6.
00:04:52.020 It could be Mossad.
00:04:53.340 You know, I don't know.
00:04:54.400 I'm speculating a bit.
00:04:55.480 I think that that will come out.
00:04:56.820 So I hope it's not the CIA because today with the, you know, the great, great media, you know,
00:05:05.400 the amount of media response to this globally, you know, the president,
00:05:10.080 the White House was asked if the president was aware of any of this, and he was not.
00:05:14.380 So there was no, does not appear that Ukraine forewarned him.
00:05:18.160 It does not appear that our intelligence community, at least from what the president said,
00:05:23.400 or what the White House has said about what the president knew, that there was any forewarning,
00:05:28.500 which to me is a really egregious outcome.
00:05:34.000 For the president of the United States to not have advance warning for something that was planned
00:05:38.300 for the better part of a year and a half that we probably fully funded,
00:05:43.280 and to have two U.S. senators, as you mentioned up front, Roger,
00:05:47.920 Graham and Danang Dick Blumenthal from Connecticut,
00:05:51.200 to have said, to have been there the day prior, the day prior, and walked away,
00:05:59.520 it's going to look like, and it's going to feel like, from the standpoint of the Russians,
00:06:03.920 that the U.S. was completely behind this.
00:06:07.520 And so for the White House to say we don't know, or we didn't know,
00:06:10.720 we didn't know about any of this, it just begs so many questions.
00:06:15.000 And so from the Russians' perspective, the Russians' perspective is going to be
00:06:20.760 that the U.S. is lying to us, and that's a tragedy,
00:06:25.700 that there's no way in the world that two U.S. senators showed up the day before,
00:06:30.080 that this has been going on for a year and a half,
00:06:32.220 the in-depth planning that required, and intelligence that was required.
00:06:36.840 The Russians are going to believe that there's no way in the world that the president of the United States
00:06:40.660 did not know about the launch of this attack.
00:06:45.580 And I think you said it, the Russians are looking at this as their, sort of their Pearl Harbor.
00:06:51.400 I wouldn't equate it to the Pearl Harbor, because, you know,
00:06:54.720 you're not talking about a great loss of life like we had during our exact Pearl Harbor,
00:07:00.120 but certainly the loss of some very serious capabilities.
00:07:03.780 So where does that place us here in the United States?
00:07:08.280 The president of the United States is going to have to scramble right now
00:07:11.920 to get his national security team together, if they haven't already.
00:07:15.540 And they're going to have to spend quite a bit of time, you know, doing some soul-searching,
00:07:19.980 and there's going to have to be a very, very precise message
00:07:26.200 that President Trump is going to have to be prepared to give back to the world.
00:07:31.380 And it's going to have to be a very calculated message,
00:07:34.280 because we cannot have the president of the United States unaware of this level of attack,
00:07:41.140 this level of planning, especially after we have spent close to $500 billion in Ukraine.
00:07:49.240 So if I were the president of the United States, if I were in that position,
00:07:53.080 and I grabbed everybody up, the national security team,
00:07:55.820 and brought them all into the situation room in the White House,
00:07:59.220 I would want the heads of somebody.
00:08:00.980 I mean, if the president is going to sit there and say,
00:08:03.540 hey, why wasn't I aware?
00:08:05.560 Where's this, you know, $100 billion intelligence community that we have?
00:08:11.900 You know, I'd be looking right at John Radcliffe over at the CIA.
00:08:17.100 I think Tulsi Gabbard has been doing some great, great work, and I really applaud her.
00:08:21.600 But I will tell you, Roger, that there is an undermining of Tulsi Gabbard
00:08:26.620 that is going on inside of the United States intelligence community.
00:08:30.240 And I know this for a fact, and that of people and components inside of the USIC,
00:08:38.880 because it's a big organization, that are undermining her. 0.99
00:08:42.060 And that is not a good thing.
00:08:44.260 And if we find out, and I would, if I were, again, if I were in the situation room,
00:08:48.760 I would either recommend to the president, or if I were the president,
00:08:53.320 I would direct the Department of Justice, I'd direct, personally,
00:08:56.300 the attorney general, to run an immediate investigation.
00:08:59.620 And I would want to know in days, not months, not years, in days, what did we know?
00:09:04.800 What did the intelligence community know?
00:09:07.080 And I would ask very specific people and offices and with some very specific questions
00:09:13.240 to get to the bottom of it.
00:09:14.860 Because the president of the United States,
00:09:17.060 with all of the intelligence capabilities that the United States has,
00:09:21.140 with the amount of money that we have spent, with the relationships that we're supposed to have
00:09:25.760 with NATO and our other partners, and then certainly the president of Ukraine, Zelensky,
00:09:31.720 with two US senators showing up 24 hours prior for the White House to admit that they did not know.
00:09:38.900 That, to me, is just, it's, it's, I'm at a loss for words.
00:09:43.460 And I'm not a guy to lose my, to lose my, my words on something like this.
00:09:47.920 It's so outrageous.
00:09:49.200 And so Trump, President Trump is going to have to be very calculated.
00:09:54.660 Now, what, what is the United States?
00:09:56.640 What else should the United States and the president start to prepare for?
00:09:59.900 We better make sure that our nuclear response capabilities are at least dusted off.
00:10:06.320 And that communications system is examined.
00:10:11.940 We better make sure that our forces over in Europe are ready,
00:10:16.340 because we have not only military forces over there,
00:10:18.660 but we have a whole bunch of families, to include my son and his family.
00:10:22.740 So I have a very personal stake in this.
00:10:25.000 You know, I have a son that's stationed over in Europe.
00:10:27.400 So I would just tell you that there's a bunch of things that need to happen,
00:10:31.740 and they need to happen in a very short order.
00:10:34.460 For those that weren't paying attention to the peace talks that happened in,
00:10:38.260 in Turkey today, they lasted about 45 minutes.
00:10:42.640 The readout from the, from the Russians is actually much stronger than,
00:10:47.320 than I would have, I would have thought, but I, you know, not surprised.
00:10:50.900 Erdogan, who was supposed to, I believe, was supposed to come to the United States.
00:10:55.580 And, you know, has, and I think, I'm, I'm guessing a little bit on this,
00:11:00.800 but I'm, I'm understanding that, that that's been canceled.
00:11:05.420 Or he was supposed to make a, a big statement about that.
00:11:08.620 That's been canceled.
00:11:10.000 So there's a lot of geopolitical dynamics that are occurring right now.
00:11:14.800 The United States, from my perspective, we've got some egg on our face,
00:11:18.900 particularly with this recent visit by these two senators.
00:11:21.840 Russia is going to respond in a very significant way.
00:11:26.720 They have multiple scenarios that they could, that they could go ahead and apply.
00:11:32.400 We're going to have to be, you know, ready for all of them.
00:11:35.640 And certainly one of the things that Trump is going to have to think about
00:11:39.500 and consider and talk to the European NATO counterparts as to whether or not do we even
00:11:44.200 continue to stay in NATO?
00:11:46.180 I mean, that's a question that has got to be put on the table.
00:11:49.740 If, if we're finding out that NATO allies are pushing us towards World War III,
00:11:54.840 which is exactly what is happening.
00:11:57.040 And I want your audience to understand that there is a military industrial complex
00:12:01.220 in NATO and in Europe as well.
00:12:03.460 And they're tied hand in glove with the military industrial complex that sits around
00:12:08.180 Washington, D.C. and the beltway of, you know, the Virginia, Maryland area.
00:12:11.780 So they're, they, they are working together and it really feels like this is the start
00:12:18.160 of a very, very serious world war, you know, and, and we haven't even, I haven't even mentioned
00:12:24.060 the word China yet because the greatest, the, the, the, the biggest beneficiary of all
00:12:29.940 of this mess that we're in is China and China will benefit significantly if there is 1.00
00:12:36.520 a war in Europe.
00:12:38.520 So let me stop there, Roger, if you have any questions.
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00:13:11.060 If you're just tuning in folks, we're talking to general Michael Flynn served as national security
00:13:16.120 advisor, president Donald Trump, a man who's served his country with distinction and honor
00:13:21.940 for 33 years.
00:13:23.800 He has a new book out, pardon of innocence and inspiring story of faith and freedom.
00:13:28.440 You can pre-order that at Amazon.
00:13:30.480 I highly recommend it to you because I think it will track his great documentary film, Flynn,
00:13:37.760 which if you haven't seen, I highly recommend it to you.
00:13:41.960 What you say about Tulsi Gabbard, of course, is absolutely true.
00:13:45.820 Only a week ago, former CIA director John Brennan, the guy who orchestrated the Russian collusion
00:13:52.240 hoax, which in which they tried to destroy not only general Flynn, but myself, he said
00:13:57.520 he was appalled, appalled that Tulsi Gabbard fired a hundred people in the national security
00:14:03.240 staff who are not loyal to Donald Trump or his foreign policy policies or or vision.
00:14:11.660 And earlier she announced that she had actually referred some people to the justice department
00:14:17.080 for leaking of classified documents.
00:14:20.040 We we don't have the advantage of those names.
00:14:22.500 So I think she's doing a terrific job.
00:14:25.180 But she's doing great.
00:14:26.560 She's doing great.
00:14:27.620 And, you know, two of us.
00:14:29.480 I want to bring these up, too, because you're hitting on a really, you know, sensitive point
00:14:33.160 here that we need to understand.
00:14:34.420 The American people need to understand this is the deep state.
00:14:36.420 So Tulsi, about two months ago, also fired the the director, a four star general, Air
00:14:42.700 Force general of the National Security Agency and the deputy director of the National Security
00:14:47.320 Agency, a civilian female. 0.99
00:14:49.680 And forgive me, I forget her name, but a noble, I think.
00:14:53.040 I'm sorry.
00:14:53.860 I think her name was noble.
00:14:55.580 And these people were lying to her and they were undermining her ability to properly advise
00:15:02.340 the president of the United States.
00:15:03.640 So Tulsi is doing everything that she can.
00:15:06.580 I am concerned about the leadership over at the CIA, however, though.
00:15:10.840 All right.
00:15:11.580 If you're just tuning in, we're talking to General Michael Flynn.
00:15:14.680 We're talking about the latest developments in the Ukraine-Russian dispute and this sneak
00:15:20.060 attack by the Ukrainians using drones to destroy part of the Russians' nuclear capability
00:15:27.160 when they destroyed their bombers.
00:15:29.100 We'll be back with General Michael Flynn.
00:15:31.120 Whatever you do, don't touch that dial.
00:15:32.860 You're in the Stone Zone and we'll be right back.
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00:15:46.540 And we're back in the Stone Zone.
00:15:49.180 We're talking with General Michael Flynn, a three star retired general who was the National
00:15:55.280 Security Advisor to President Donald Trump.
00:15:57.380 A man who has persevered and survived the slings and arrows of the deep state who are now trying
00:16:04.720 to drive us into nuclear war.
00:16:07.400 General Flynn, I thought it was amazing that about a week ago, you saw this in an interview.
00:16:12.260 No one told the president about an assassination attempt on Vladimir Putin when they attacked
00:16:18.640 his helicopter.
00:16:19.880 The president seemed unaware of that.
00:16:22.500 Inconceivable to me that his national security team would not have told him that.
00:16:26.660 Now, as you point out, the White House admits that he was unaware of this Ukrainian sneak 1.00
00:16:32.920 attack on the Russians on the eve of the peace talks, which they clearly were seeking to undermine.
00:16:39.600 It appears that they have done that.
00:16:40.940 As you point out, the talks happened today and they lasted only a short 45 minutes.
00:16:45.120 So, General Flynn, what do we need to be doing in this country to prepare?
00:16:49.280 OK, OK, great, great.
00:16:50.960 I appreciate you allowing me to jump into that part.
00:16:54.620 On the domestic home front, you know, first of all, I want, you know, imagine any one of
00:17:00.400 our big bomber bases having the exact same thing done to them, right?
00:17:04.600 I mean, the Chinese are here in our country.
00:17:07.700 We know of 300,000 illegal military age men that came across during the Biden administration
00:17:13.420 and this illegal invasion.
00:17:15.120 We know about China purchasing real estate by many of our military bases.
00:17:20.400 I mean, so don't think that this couldn't happen here.
00:17:23.120 This is not about, you know, lining up on the Mexican border or the Canadian border.
00:17:27.980 They're already here.
00:17:29.180 So domestically, our military readiness is going to have to go to a much higher level of alert.
00:17:35.640 I'm sorry.
00:17:36.220 Then it's going to cause some angst amongst the population in this country because, you know,
00:17:42.780 Pete Hegseth is going to have to take it, you know, and get all of his commanders together
00:17:46.580 and examine in the home front here, particularly Northern Command, which is based out of Colorado,
00:17:51.700 that looks at the home front.
00:17:53.780 He's going to have to work very closely with Kristi Noem over at the Secretary of Homeland Security.
00:17:58.720 Homeland Security is going to have a role here.
00:18:00.520 So we have to make sure that we're not caught unprepared if the Russians decide to do something 0.95
00:18:06.860 really extreme.
00:18:08.340 We're sort of in a place right now where we have to plan all kinds of scenarios, all types
00:18:14.320 of options, and we have to be ready.
00:18:16.440 And this gets back to the fact that the President of the United States was not aware of what just
00:18:26.020 happened over in Russia.
00:18:29.040 And this isn't the first time that the President wasn't aware of something.
00:18:34.660 This is a real lick on our intelligence community and, frankly, on our partners who we share a lot
00:18:39.880 of intelligence with.
00:18:41.040 I mean, you know, just recently he was asked about the assassination attempt on Putin, and
00:18:48.100 he said, I wasn't aware of it.
00:18:50.260 I mean, there's something broken in the system, and really the place to stick your finger on
00:18:56.040 is at the CIA, because the CIA is responsible for that type of intelligence and should be up
00:19:01.880 to the DNI.
00:19:03.260 I know the DNI, Tulsi Gabbard is doing all that she can to do some structural things within
00:19:08.800 the whole of the structure of the intel community.
00:19:12.720 These other agencies have to be providing and doing the intelligence work on a daily basis
00:19:17.200 to provide that kind of intelligence and information to the President of the United States.
00:19:21.880 But, you know, world leaders are going to need to realize that the global implications
00:19:26.320 to the operation that the Ukrainians just pulled off have significant consequences.
00:19:32.760 And, you know, Russia will respond.
00:19:36.020 And I like to use the phrase action, reaction, counteraction.
00:19:39.860 That's warfare.
00:19:41.080 Those are the shifting tides of warfare.
00:19:43.880 And I don't consider this, you know, a bold action.
00:19:47.500 This is a brash action by Zelensky.
00:19:50.480 It is, to me, it is short-term, and it's a short-term victory.
00:19:54.760 They're going to feel good about it, you know, within his inner circle.
00:19:57.380 But this could turn into one of the world's long-term losses, and we may find ourselves
00:20:02.960 in a much bigger war, a war that we have a much, much harder time extracting ourselves from.
00:20:09.260 So I appreciate you allowing me on your great show with your great audience today.
00:20:14.060 All right.
00:20:14.460 There you have it, folks.
00:20:15.580 General Michael Flynn with the inside story on these latest developments between Russia
00:20:20.780 and Ukraine.
00:20:21.660 For those who listen to us here in the Stone Zone, until we meet again, God bless you and
00:20:27.700 Godspeed.
00:20:29.200 And above all, pray for President Donald Trump.
00:20:32.300 Pray that he has wisdom.
00:20:33.800 Pay for his protection.
00:20:35.320 And pray that he can make peace.
00:20:38.000 The greatest single title that history can bestow is that of peacemaker.
00:20:43.500 Trump was elected as the peace candidate, but the dogs of war are trying to push him into
00:20:47.860 nuclear war, as General Flynn just told us.
00:20:50.660 Until tomorrow, again, God bless you and Godspeed.
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