The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


Joel Gilbert ｜ 08-21-25


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A federal appeals court has thrown out a $700 million judgment against Donald Trump in the Trump v. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez case. But what about Letitia James? Was she also involved in mortgage fraud? And why did she get away with it for so long?

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00:00:30.000 The Stone Zone.
00:00:32.480 Entertaining and informative.
00:00:34.640 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:37.500 Joining me now is the filmmaker, musician, and investigative journalist, Joel Gilbert.
00:00:43.840 Now, Joel, I tried to look up your bio on Wikipedia.
00:00:48.140 I had trouble stopping laughing to start this show because it is so ridiculously absurd.
00:00:53.660 It actually says,
00:00:54.860 This article is an autobiography that has been extensively edited by the subject or someone connected to the subject.
00:01:01.540 It may need editing to conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view.
00:01:05.740 This is laughable nonsense.
00:01:07.400 Wikipedia, at least my biography, is full of distortions, lies, and absolute falsehoods.
00:01:13.720 It appears to be the case in your case as well.
00:01:17.000 But Joel Gilbert has produced several films.
00:01:19.480 He is also a noted musician and a great fan of Bob Dylan.
00:01:26.000 His tribute band, Highway 61 Revisited, actually very, very good.
00:01:31.640 It made me interested in his multidimensional career.
00:01:35.820 Probably his most famous film, Dreams of My Real Father, is a biographical film that those on the left have called a conspiracy theory.
00:01:44.160 Well, they're wrong, but Joel Gilbert is right.
00:01:46.680 Joel, welcome to The Stone Zone.
00:01:49.580 Great to be here, Roger.
00:01:50.900 And yes, Wikipedia is a left-wing hit job. 0.87
00:01:54.300 And no matter what you do, they will try to make you look bad.
00:01:57.460 But I think the people know better by now what's really going on.
00:02:01.380 Yeah, it really is an absurdity.
00:02:02.840 You can go to Wikipedia and correct the various things they say about you that are incorrect.
00:02:08.200 And then wait a few days, you go back, and they have been returned to the sea of falsehoods that is Wikipedia.
00:02:15.620 I want to focus on Letitia James because I guess this kind of proves that what goes around comes around. 0.87
00:02:24.240 Letitia James led a tsunami of lawfare along with her cohort, Alvin Bragg, the district attorney in New York County, which is Manhattan.
00:02:34.300 So far, there are a number of convictions of Donald Trump in those proceedings.
00:02:41.260 But this victory today is a very large one.
00:02:45.520 A federal appeals court basically throwing out a several hundred million dollar judgment against Donald Trump.
00:02:52.680 And then you and Sam Antar over at WhiteCollarFraud.com have done an incredible job of exposing Letitia James' crime spree of 22 years of mortgage fraud.
00:03:08.460 For those who aren't familiar with it, Sam Antar, who has a very interesting past himself, he was once convicted, one of the greatest security frauds in U.S. history, the whole Crazy Eddie saga.
00:03:23.680 Crazy Eddie was an electronics firm.
00:03:25.460 But Joel did his time, paid his debt, pardon me, Sam did his time, paid his debt to society, came out and reinvented himself as a fraud investigator extraordinaire.
00:03:37.320 And then Joel Gilbert, who is a very experienced documentary filmmaker and an investigative reporter, teamed up with Sam Antar in a series of blockbuster exposés on Letitia James.
00:03:52.320 So, Joel, before we get into the Ayatollah Zoran Mamdami and the way he has illegally weaponized nonprofit organizations to cheat in the recent New York mayoral primary, you've written a great piece about this. 0.51
00:04:06.760 I want to focus for a little bit here on Letitia James. 0.66
00:04:10.260 When you examined her record when it came to mortgage fraud, what did you find?
00:04:17.380 Well, New York is a public record state, so I just went online.
00:04:20.660 Anybody could have done it at any time.
00:04:22.900 And I found that she had a 43-year history of fraudulent mortgages.
00:04:27.840 She did not do one mortgage purchase or refinance in New York that did not involve fraud.
00:04:34.020 It began when she was only 24 years old.
00:04:37.120 She pretended that she was married to her father in the document in three places.
00:04:42.600 She signed it so did her father.
00:04:43.960 They bought her property as husband and wife, no doubt, so that Letitia could get better mortgage terms from the bank. 1.00
00:04:50.720 She probably wouldn't even qualify.
00:04:52.980 She pretended to marry her father.
00:04:55.420 Lo and behold, as you go through time, the biggest fraud is her purchase of a four-story, five-unit apartment building in Lafayette Avenue in Brooklyn.
00:05:05.720 And there it showed a series of mortgages and refinances where she consistently claimed that the building only had four apartment units, even though the official certificate of occupancy said it had five.
00:05:17.940 And the biggest fraud that I focused on in my first article back in March was her – she had an adjustable-rate mortgage. 0.99
00:05:27.360 It was 10 percent in 2011 with a private bank, and she decided to refinance it on the back of the American taxpayer through the HAMP program out of Washington.
00:05:37.740 And to get that loan, which is only eligible if your building was four units or less, she lied and said she had only four units when it really had five.
00:05:47.240 She also lied and said she had a financial hardship, which you were required to have, even though she was making about $14,000 a month.
00:05:54.480 So I chronicled this in The Gateway Pundit, and I wasn't surprised a couple months later to see Bill Pulte from the Federal Housing Finance Agency, I believe, used a lot of my material to refer her to the Department of Justice for an investigation.
00:06:10.860 Since then, Ed Martin has been appointed a special prosecutor.
00:06:13.840 As you noted with today's news, the pendulum has completely swung against this fraud that was Letitia James, who ran for office on the disgusting proclamation that she would target an American citizen if elected and find a crime to charge him with, something that even in the Soviet bloc and third-world countries, they don't even say that out loud when they want to do that.
00:06:36.680 So the pendulum has swung, and Trump has been completely exonerated in his appeal, and Ed Martin, if you look at his Twitter every day, the special prosecutor, it looks like Letitia is going to be charged.
00:06:50.180 He's already asked her attorney, Abby Lowell, to have Letitia resign. 0.98
00:06:55.140 That's how bad it is.
00:06:56.320 So it's been an amazing few months to watch the pendulum swing against the fraudulent Letitia James.
00:07:04.600 Letitia James.
00:07:34.600 Yeah, it was very interesting.
00:07:36.880 I saw this great picture.
00:07:38.220 First of all, I saw you and Sam Antar.
00:07:40.240 You guys are like the Batman and Robin of fighting mortgage fraud crime.
00:07:45.640 I saw you visited the facility where she had five units but claimed she had four in order to qualify for a particular type of mortgage, an advantageous type of mortgage.
00:07:59.700 And then I saw very recently that Ed Martin, the deputy assistant attorney general, now special counsel investigating mortgage fraud, showed up to inspect the same building.
00:08:12.040 But he was wearing a trench coat.
00:08:15.060 I'm not sure if he's more Inspector Clouseau or whether it's Columbo, but I have to admit I kind of liked the look.
00:08:22.720 And I feel a lot better that this is now being looked at from the point of view of the law enforcement, taking a hard look at crimes by people who previously thought somehow they were above the law.
00:08:37.000 I made reference earlier to the standard charter banking case.
00:08:42.200 This is an extraordinary case in which the bank already got caught violating the Iranian sanctions, paid a fine for it, and then went right back to the same code of conduct and did over $100 million in prohibited transactions and transfers to sanctioned institutions, including those in China as well as Iran.
00:09:08.700 And there is hard evidence that Letitia James and the Biden Justice Department were fully aware of these violations but did nothing whatsoever about it.
00:09:20.740 So this money has been traced.
00:09:22.800 It ended up in the hands of Hezbollah. 0.92
00:09:25.040 It also financed illegal purchases by China of Iranian oil, yet another violation of sanctions.
00:09:33.120 Letitia James, I think, has some serious explaining to do. 1.00
00:09:36.820 According to Bloomberg, Kash Patel's FBI is now investigating Standard Charter Bank and these series of crimes, which I think I would say even more serious than this mortgage fraud crime spree.
00:09:51.300 It is amazing the way the pendulum has turned.
00:09:54.580 I ultimately believe that the other judgment against Donald Trump in Manhattan, the so-called hush money case, where Donald Trump entered into a confidential settlement in a harassment lawsuit, but Alvin Bragg decided to charge Trump without ever identifying a crime.
00:10:14.120 Of course, of course, you had the Soviet-style show trial there in Manhattan, finding the president guilty on 39 counts.
00:10:23.680 I'm confident that that, too, will ultimately be overturned and the president will be entirely vindicated.
00:10:30.400 Let's shift, if we may now, to a great piece you have in the Gateway Pundit, in which you question the outcome of the recent Democrat primary in New York City, which was won in an upset by Zoran Mamdani.
00:10:47.540 Your piece, also relying on the excellent work done by Sam Antar at WhiteCollaredFraud.com, says,
00:10:57.880 What if the grassroots of political movements reshaping America's cities aren't really grassroots at all, but rather illegal, tax-exempt, charity-funded operations disguised as community activism?
00:11:09.440 As you point out, Sam Antar, in his July 2025 article, How Elite Money Flows Through the Working Families Party Network,
00:11:18.340 Forensic Investigator Sam Antar, who was with us yesterday, exposes a hidden financial web that he calls grassroots laundering.
00:11:28.000 It's a case study you wrote in the rise of Zoran Mamdani in New York City politics.
00:11:33.380 You go on to say, What Antar uncovered is a political machine, powered not by working-class donations, but by a $2 billion network of tax-exempt non-profits that illegally converts taxpayer money and billion-eared philanthropy into political power.
00:11:51.200 Tell us what happened here, Joel.
00:11:53.700 Okay, Sam Antar basically exposed something that's been going on for many years.
00:11:58.680 He says that the entire leftist campaign infrastructure is actually illegal under the tax code, and he goes through all these ways that it's done, and here's how he explains it.
00:12:10.820 He talks about how, first, you have tax-deductible funding, and that's when billionaires and the U.S. government gives hundreds of millions of dollars to these charities, these 501c3 charities that are not allowed to engage in political activities.
00:12:26.000 These charities then transfer their money to their affiliates that are 501c4s, and they are allowed to engage in political indoctrination.
00:12:37.900 They often have very similar names, like Make the Road New York gave all this money to Make the Road Action, which was a political entity.
00:12:45.820 So then the 501c4s funnel the money they got from the charities into these PACs and super PACs, and they fund political campaigns like Zoran Mandami's.
00:12:56.880 Then someone like Mandami gets elected, and he expands the government funding to the very charities that helped elect him in the first place.
00:13:04.520 Now, you may have seen that Lee Zeldin, the EPA administrator, just came out with a big expose yesterday that the entire Inflation Reduction Act was just a way to fund all these climate and other Democrat NGOs and charities to then launder it back into the political system.
00:13:22.320 So Sam Mantar pretty much exposed the whole thing with a massive study that really could be the groundwork for a tax IRS case against Mandami and all these NGOs because the entire operation is tax fraud.
00:13:39.980 It is a stunning article.
00:13:43.140 You can go to whitecollarfraud.com, whitecollarfraud.com, or go to the Gateway Pundit.
00:13:49.440 Look up Joel Gilbert, excellent coverage of what is an extraordinary scheme which blurs the line between charity and politics.
00:13:59.160 I think it undermines the very foundation of our campaign finance law, and it's very clever,
00:14:05.120 but it really cuts against the entire fake narrative that Mandami's campaign is some kind of people-powered revolution,
00:14:15.000 that this is a grassroots revolt against dark money and special interests when, based on what I'm reading here in your article, Joel, the exact opposite is true.
00:14:25.180 Right. All they did is they moved government funding for charities to political arms without anybody noticing and then used it to fund these far-left politicians.
00:14:38.020 And then Mandami runs around saying, this is a people's movement.
00:14:41.860 This is a grassroots revolution. Join us.
00:14:44.560 But in fact, most of the money comes from this scheme of laundering charity money, especially through the U.S. taxpayer.
00:14:52.180 You and I have been paying for Mandami's campaign because the government funds these NGOs.
00:14:57.940 So I think Sam Antar just did a great job.
00:15:01.580 I've never seen it laid out so expertly.
00:15:04.720 And with the revelations from Lee Zeldin, I think the Trump administration and the IRS are going to have to take a look at this whole leftist campaign infrastructure.
00:15:16.220 It goes back to Act Blue.
00:15:17.820 It's just been going on for years and years.
00:15:20.580 And I think this is the first time that anybody really laid it out and put it all together so succinctly.
00:15:26.760 So definitely go to whitecollarfraud.com.
00:15:29.100 You've got to read this piece by Sam Antar.
00:15:31.140 Yeah, the president has called for an investigation of Act Blue, which is the Democrat payment processing website.
00:15:39.060 And I have already seen some of the initial research, which indicates that of those Letitia James donors who have been able to be contacted,
00:15:50.500 almost 70 percent of them deny ever having made a contribution to her, deny having made multiple contributions.
00:15:58.220 I think there is yet another case here.
00:16:01.740 She's one of the number one recipients in the country of small, multi-dollar donations through Act Blue.
00:16:09.260 This is, I think, going to be yet another legal case she's going to have to fight through. 0.89
00:16:14.820 She's not the only one, though.
00:16:16.340 There's a number of major Democrats.
00:16:18.660 Remember, you heard it here, folks.
00:16:20.540 Here first, folks.
00:16:22.000 Act Blue is the next big Democrat scandal.
00:16:25.060 But we appreciate you joining us today, The Stone Zone.
00:16:28.420 We're talking to documentary filmmaker and investigative journalist, Joel Gilbert.
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