The Stone Zone ｜ 03-04-25
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The Stone Zone is a place where we talk politics. In this episode, we discuss the scandal surrounding Jeffrey Epstein and the cover-up surrounding his arrest, trial, and sentence in the Epstein case.
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this is the stone zone with roger stone people love him and respect him roger stone now get
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in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone you are entering the stone zone and we're
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here to talk politics so let's jump right into it attorney general pam bondy the former attorney
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general of florida has been roundly criticized for pledging to release all of the jeffrey epstein
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records uh in producing significant information but not producing all of the information we now
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know that attorney general pam bondy who i think is being greatly underestimated by some was misled
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and essentially lied to by uh the new york office of the fbi the gateway pundit reporting now uh that
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there's been a significant shakeup within the fbi as one of his top officials was forced out nbc news
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reported monday that james dennehy the head of the fbi's new york office threw in the towel just days
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after his office was revealed to have been hiding thousands of epstein documents so uh it is clear
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that bondy was lied to both by the fbi's new york office but i think we're going to learn the southern
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district of new york prosecutors who are continuing to cover up for epstein probably because of his deep
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relationship with the clintons i am actually the first author in the country to write extensively
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extensively about jeffrey epstein in my 2015 book the clintons war on women chapter 7 orgy island i
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think it was sean hannity came up with that title uh since that time of course there has been an attempt
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to link donald trump to epstein this is misdirection folk donald trump never went to uh epstein's island
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uh never uh partied with him the one and only time that donald trump was on epstein's plane the lolita
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express was a flight from new york to palm beach on a friday uh returning from palm beach to new york on
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a sunday night and marla maples and then his wife marla maples trump and their daughter tiffany were on
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the flight as well this was a weekend in which donald trump's plane was in the shop uh this whole saga
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began uh when i should also say that trump bars epstein from marlago after epstein makes an improper
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advance to one of the women working in the spa this is prior to his being charged of a sex crime in
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florida he breaks entirely with epstein the clintons will continue to associate take camp
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contributions and take the seed funding for the clinton foundation and the clinton global initiative
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from epstein after he has been charged and convicted and served time in the uh in the florida case this
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entire saga began when a school girl in palm beach came home with five hundred dollars in her lunchbox and
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when her parents asked her where she got it she said she got it from the man who lives in the big
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house uh and that led to a police investigation a six-month undercover investigation by the palm beach
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city police under the leadership of chief michael rider rider would turn over to the state's attorney
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a man named barry kushner uh a uh an overwhelming case for statutory rape child sex trafficking child
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abuse uh and other crimes that should have landed epstein in prison for life uh chief rider was
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shocked when the state's attorney after receiving all of this information uh charged epstein with one
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count of solicitation that's like walking into a bar and trying to pick up pick up a hooker
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uh when the chief objected to the slap on the risk charges uh the prosecutor mr kushner
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upgraded the charges to solicitation of a minor still a serious charge but not compared to child sex
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trafficking uh epstein would get an incredibly light sentence he gets a i think 18 month sentence of
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which he spends 15 months uh in jail he is however the only uh person convicted of a sex crime in the
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history of florida not to serve his sentence in a state prison but gets to serve his sentence in the
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private wing of the palm beach county stockade which is air conditioned uh he also has extensive
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work release privileges which allow him to leave the jail for up to 12 hours a day six days a week
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he ultimately would only serve 13 months of the sentence before being released the police chief
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mr writer then went to the u.s attorney uh for uh south florida alexander acosta complaining that in
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his opinion kushner the prosecutor had either been threatened or bribed the sweetheart deal negotiated
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uh with uh mr kushner on behalf of palm beach county uh included the legal dream team retained by
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jeffrey epstein that was leon black alan dershowitz and gerald lefcourt they successfully got mr epstein a
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slap on the wrist now it is important to note that the clintons continued to uh socialize with jeffrey
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epstein take campaign contributions for jeffrey epstein uh and to uh also as i said take the seed
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funding for their two foundations prosecutor acosta the federal prosecutor after the complaints of the
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police chief conducted his own investigation then rubber stamped the slap on the wrist by state
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prosecutors and he sealed the case and the case remained sealed for at least 10 years but the palm beach
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times the local newspaper fought in federal court to ultimately unseal those records they became unsealed
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which caused a flurry of mainstream media coverage acosta strangely enough would go on to be appointed
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secretary of labor by president donald trump in his first term uh it is very clear based on my own
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research that president trump was unaware of mr acosta's role in the epstein case but knew him as a
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generally well-regarded u.s attorney for south florida which is miami broward and palm beach county it is
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interesting that when acosta was preparing for his confirmation hearings as labor secretary he was
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asked what he would do if he was asked by a senator about his disposition of the epstein case he said well
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i'm going to tell the truth which is i was contacted by the cia who told me that he worked for them and i was
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to seal the case and talk about it no further uh it's uh interesting also that bill clinton who has uh
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who has uh i think the real person who's being covered up here the real person who's being protected
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visited epstein's island 23 times uh was on epstein's uh airplane the lolita express at least 17 times
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that's according to the faa manifests uh interesting that i read the testimony of virginia roberts uh now
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that's her name today her name was at that time virginia juffray you see epstein settled with a large
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number of the women uh who uh he had uh molested uh or that he had had inappropriate conduct with but
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virginia roberts uh virginia juffray now virginia roberts declined uh the settlement offer and she
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sued i went through every one of those uh legal documents they are very extensive they detail bill
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clinton's time on the island now it's important to note that virginia juffray today roberts never
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claimed that she herself uh had sex with bill clinton uh but she said that uh that she knew other
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women in the island who claimed to her that they had and that she had on one occasion seen
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bill clinton talking to two underage girls uh in a party uh cozying up to them when she herself was
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removed from the room to have sex with epstein and another woman it's also interesting that juffray's
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lawyer testified uh that the only epstein uh associate or the only person who knew epstein
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who was helpful to him in that lawsuit was donald trump that trump met with him and gave him extensive
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time telling him what he knew about epstein so uh this this entire story is laid out and the two most
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compelling pieces of evidence which were produced by pam bondi last week now i believe they were new to
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bondi they were new to many people because this story never originally got the kind of coverage during
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the state phase that it deserved it was only because of the dogged efforts of julie brown of the miami
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herald that this story continued after epstein's release from federal prison and after he went back
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immediately to his old tricks as they say the real question of course remains what happened to the dvds
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and the hard drives that were in uh the safe and taken by the fbi they were recovered from his
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safes in new york city uh in palm beach uh on the island the saint james island which is near the virgin
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islands uh and his arizona ranch the other two key pieces of information uh that i cite in my book
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the clinton's war on women was epstein's little black book now epstein's little black book uh are all of
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his personal contacts uh he had 27 phone numbers for bill clinton and he had numbers for hillary clinton but
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he also in fairness had phone numbers for donald trump uh and many many other a-list celebrities
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senators congressmen uh athletes uh movie stars and so on uh he cultivated a very wide circle
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uh but that still it's kind of shocking to see some of the names in his little black book uh and then
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the other thing of course which is far for meaning far far meaningful uh the manifests from the faa of
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who actually flew uh on epstein's plane the lolita express uh again i think i attribute that great
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moniker to my friend sean hannity those two pieces of information uh were among the things released by
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bondi last week but we now know that there's far more and of course the single most important question is
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who's on the dvds and the hard drives now you cannot expect the government to release those
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because they would be quite graphic perhaps even pornographic they would also expose the identities
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of the victims i've seen some people complaining uh to and about bondi about the fact that the document
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she did release included redactions but i looked and those redactions are the names of epstein's victims
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as best as they can be ascertained so this star story is far from over uh pam bondi is not to be
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underestimated in my opinion joining us on today's show is the investigative reporter who really
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was the first person in the united states to cover this story nick bryan is a journalist and an author
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nick bryan's writing career has wended its way through various incarnations over the last three
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decades but he is mostly focused on the plight of lower socioeconomic children in the united states
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in their sexual exploitation and abuse nick bryan spent seven years investigating a child
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sex trafficking network that was covered up by the state and federal officials culminating in his incredible
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book the franklin scandal a story of power brokers child abuse and betrayal the trafficking network
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bryan wrote about in the franklin scandals has been the focal point of a lot of misinformation and
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disinformation on the internet the franklin scandal and the epstein scandal are quite similar in the sense
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that both child sex trafficking networks were covered up by state and federal authorities and continue to this
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day to be covered up for and the mainstream media was complicit because it never demanded justice for the
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child victims whose lives had been disfigured uh and harmed bryant started investigating the epstein
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network as early as 2012 when he acquired his little black book uh i i have that material in my book but i give a
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full attribution to nick bryant for the information uh it may incredibly nick bryant took this bombshell
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story around to all of the mainstream media outlets and none of them would publish it that was until gawker
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agreed to publish a series of stories uh they had the fortitude to publish the story and that is the
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beginning of the public knowledge of jeffrey epstein interesting enough nick bryant has also written a new
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book the truth about watergate a tale of extraordinary lies and liars to me this is the single best
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narrative that quickly but in painstaking detail tells you what really happened in the watergate
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affair and that is a deep state coup in which richard nixon was removed from office because he was
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threatening to change the structure of the national security apparatus and reign in the cia
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documents declassified in the last six months proved that so we're about to get the inside story on
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jeffrey epstein and watergate when we come back with my guest investigative journalist nick bryant so
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this is the stone zone now get him his own it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and we're back and as promised joining me now is nick bryant journalist and author uh also i would
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have to say activist because nick bryant has been working very hard to help the victims of jeffrey epstein
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they almost never get mentioned in this media maelstrom uh nick bryant has also written a
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phenomenal book the truth about watergate uh and he's been looking into the question of p diddy
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given his incredible work on the franklin scandal uh that is a massive sex trafficking scandal covered
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up by the state and federal officials back in the 80s there's really nobody who knows this beat better
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than nick bryant so uh nick uh welcome to the stone zone i am glad to be back on the stone zone roger
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uh so nick uh we're gonna take a quick break here in a moment then we're gonna come back and get into
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some heavy conversation because i know you have a lot to say uh appreciate your being on our show sunday
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but there's never enough time with you uh i would think that your phone would be ringing off the hook
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with reporters wanting to ask you about the epstein scandal because you are the first reporter uh in
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the country uh to break this story you had the so-called little black book the the book of epstein's
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contacts you had the faa airplane lolita express manifest you know who was on the island and how many
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times you interviewed uh virginia giuffre now virginia roberts i would think that mainstream media
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reporters from cnn and the washington post the new york times the wall street journal the associated
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press they'd be beating your doors down to find out the truth about jeffrey epstein uh but i bet that is
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not happening so uh it's why i wanted to get you on today and also give us a little more time than we
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had in our past interviews because you know more about this than anyone we'll be right back
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i'm not just stepping stone this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger
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stone all right as promised investigative journalist and author nick bryant joins us now nick welcome to
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the zone as i say uh what do you make of all this public uh tempest about pam bondi and the release of
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the epstein list as they say i was disappointed i thought we were going to get something substantial
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and she said on fox news on national television that we were going to get something substantial
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and then we ended up with uh nothing sandwich none of the information that she revealed or
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none of the information that was revealed in those documents really enlightened us about anything
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jeffrey epstein related and unfortunately we're still in the dark as far as the documentation that
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the federal government has but here's what's troubling about well there's a number of things
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that are troubling but and either she was dishonest on national television which i don't think she was
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but she obviously didn't read the documents when they were released or before they were released which
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is also agreed she should have known what was on those documents before she went on national television
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i just uh if i may i just have a slightly different take which is if you're unfamiliar with any of the
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material if you've never read the stories you have written or the book that i have written uh there's
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many people don't know for example that senator george mitchell the senate majority leader or governor
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bill richardson or the scientist stephen hawking uh and a list celebrities like bill and hillary clinton who
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visited the island you and i know it but most people don't know it uh el hood barack of israel most
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people don't know these things so it's possible but she read she did find shocking she didn't realize
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how much more uh the new york-based authorities have the question i asked earlier and i ask you now is
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what about the the dvds and the hard drives that the fbi took from epstein's safes in new york city palm
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beach his arizona ranch and on his island i mean first of all do you believe that those exist well they
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were certainly taken out of his uh safe in new york city and there were a number of cds and various hard
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drives and the feds also found a lot of child rape material and they seem to have vanished into a black
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hole hopefully federal law enforcement still has that information the the media seems to be transfixed
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on just kicking out salacious dirt on these perpetrators and as you said in the introduction
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the victims have completely gotten sidetracked in the the the feds investigation and also with the
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media according to federal sources there were hundreds if not thousands of pictures of child rape
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material and i'm not aware of the feds going to any of those victims those victims are going to be
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damaged and scarred for life there are monsters like jeffrey abstein and they really love to collect
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child rape material and those poor children and now they're young adults are going to be scarred for
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life and the federal government doesn't seem to want to help them the mainstream media doesn't seem to
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want to help them it's really up to activism at this point to make sure that the government does the
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right thing and that's why i formed ebstein justice because we want a congressional commission and we
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want the government to look into this matter we need some perpetrators we need perpetrators to be
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indicted and we also need victims to be helped out tremendously and this your organization is of course a
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non-profit uh and if people want to contribute and people want to contribute where can they go
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ebsteinjustice.com that's about as simple as we could make it and our objective is very simple too
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we want a congressional commission that's what we're vying for and that's what we want a congressional
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commission incorporates citizens and independent investigators and we can uncover truth though there
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have been some very corrupt commissions in the past like the warren commission but that was a
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presidential commission that wasn't a congressional commission so what we need now is our congress
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people to step up form a commission and incorporate people with integrity and really good investigators
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and i think that we can at that point get to the bottom of all of this i mean the truth of the matter
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is epstein had essentially slipped the punch he had been caught the extensive of his activities was
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known to state and federal prosecutors that he's been federally protected we already know because
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when michael reiner the police chief objected to local palm beach county prosecutor barry kushner's
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decision to simply charge epstein with solicitation then bumped up to solicitation of a minor he went to
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the u.s attorney alexander acosta uh with the hopes that acosta uh would actually seek justice in the
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case acosta launched his own investigation took some time and then he rubber stamped the state's
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slap on the wrist for epstein uh and epstein was as you know convicted after his lawyers negotiated a
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sweetheart deal uh and then uh he was having gourmet meals brought into the south the air-conditioned
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palm beach county jail uh and the palm beach county sheriff's office was essentially providing a
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security detail for jeffrey's daily business meetings and rounds uh he only had to be in jail
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12 hours a day he was free to be elsewhere uh and go about his business so we assume he went right back
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to his dirty deeds i have accredited julie brown with the miami herald continuing to pound on this story
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which is why uh after being sentenced in florida in 2008 it is not until 2019 that epstein was arrested
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again arrested at teterboro airport in new jersey uh upon returning from paris by the way they did not
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use uh 29 heavily armed fbi agents to take him down and uh the fbi thoughtfully allowed him to throw a
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coat over his handcuffs so people couldn't see he was being arrested because they didn't want to
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embarrass him uh he was charged by federal prosecutors in new york with sex trafficking of minors in both
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florida and new york and he was subsequently uh held at the metropolitan correctional center
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in manhattan uh the fbi was much nicer to epstein than they were to you that's for sure
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uh that's precisely the point that i was making so uh when acosta is asked after he gets appointed
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secretary of labor uh how he will handle this issue if it comes up by the way donald trump has was never
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told that acosta was the federal prosecutor who who uh rubber stamped the florida conviction of epstein
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uh he says well if it comes up i'll tell the truth which is the cia uh told me that he worked for
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them my theory uh all along here has been epstein was a an equal opportunity blackmailer he was a
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soldier for hire uh i suspect that he worked not only for u.s intelligence but conceivably also
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israeli intelligence saudi intelligence i think he would work for anyone who was looking for dirt on very
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powerful people uh which is explains these tapes i find the question of how he got his instantaneous
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wealth very interesting he went from being a teacher in a private boys school teaching math
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to uh to being a multi-millionaire he got fired he was fired from that and then he was fired from bear
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stearns too uh but that wasn't even a speed bump for for his upward mobility uh the thing with emstein
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go ahead right uh we got about two and a half minutes here and then we'll go to break and come back
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with it but as you know uh his real financial breakthrough seems to come through when he uh
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when he acquires this the power of signature over the uh the wealth uh of the uh less wexner
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less wexner precisely the owner of victoria the ceo of albrand yes uh wexner i've got a theory about
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that well so wexner gives epstein total power of attorney over his entire financial empire wexner
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cuts off all of his old friends uh resigns from his country club cuts doesn't go to his high school
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reunion uh becomes a bit of a recluse uh and he gifts to epstein the single largest private residence
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in the borough of manhattan in new york city uh i i do want to hear uh your your theory on uh on
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less wexner it was known by the way in republican circles that wexner's was a bit strange and there
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were rumors uh that he was a pedophile but they were nothing other than that rumors but epstein
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acquires uh his enormous wealth uh and he starts to live an extraordinarily opulent lifestyle when we
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come back i want to ask nick bryant if there really is an epstein quote unquote list he gave a
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great interview last week in which he explained why he does not believe that is the case uh we'll
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talk a bit more about the bombshell epstein case and where it might lead but i also want to talk to
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him about the single best book written about watergate uh the truth about watergate a tale of
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extraordinary lies and liars uh by nick bryant nick is by the way not a nixon fan not a republican he's
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i also i don't think he's a democrat i don't know his politics he's a straight-up investigative
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reporter who writes and reports and writes books where his research takes him so we'll be right
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back with nick bryant to get the inside city skinny on epstein also p diddy and what's going on there
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and the truth about watergate whatever you do don't touch that dial because you'll be right back
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stone zone with roger stone not just stepping stone the stone zone
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this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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all right as promised investigative journalist and author nick bryant joins us now nick welcome to the
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the zone as i say uh what do you make of all this public uh uh tempest uh about pam bondi and the
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release of the epstein list as they say i was disappointed i thought we were going to get something
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substantial and she said on fox news on national television that we were going to get something
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substantial and then we ended up with uh nothing sandwich none of the information that she revealed
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there none of the information that was revealed in those documents really enlightened us about
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anything jeffrey epstein related and unfortunately we're still in the dark as far as the documentation
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that the federal government has but here's what's troubling about well there's a number of things that
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are troubling but and either she was dishonest on national television which i don't think she was
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but she obviously didn't read the documents when they were released or before they were released which
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is also agreed she should have known what was on those documents before she went on national television
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i just uh if i may i just have a slightly different take which is if you're unfamiliar with any of the
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material if you've never read the stories you have written or the book that i have written uh there's
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many people don't know for example that senator george mitchell the senate majority leader or governor bill
00:32:14.900
richardson or the scientist stephen hawking uh and a list celebrities like bill and hillary clinton who
00:32:23.060
visited the island you and i know it but most people don't know it uh el hood barack of israel most
00:32:29.940
people don't know these things so it's possible but she read she did find shocking she didn't realize
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how much more uh the new york based authorities have the question i asked earlier and i ask you now is
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what about the the dvds and the hard drives that the fbi took from epstein's safes in new york city palm
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beach his arizona ranch and on his island i mean first of all do you believe that those exist well they were
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certainly taken out of his uh safe in new york city and there were a number of cds and various hard
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drives and the feds also found a lot of child rape material and they seem to have vanished into a black
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hole hopefully federal law enforcement still has that information the the media seems to be transfixed on just
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kicking out salacious dirt on these perpetrators and as you said in the introduction the victims
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have completely gotten sidetracked in the the the feds investigation and also with the media according
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to federal sources there were hundreds if not thousands of pictures of child rape material and
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i'm not aware of the feds going to any of those victims those victims are going to be damaged and
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scarred for life there are monsters like jeffrey abstein and they really love to collect child rape
00:34:07.940
material and those poor children and now they're young adults are going to be scarred for life and
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the federal government doesn't seem to want to help them mainstream media doesn't seem to want to help
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them it's really up to activism at this point to make sure that the government does the right thing and
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that's why i formed epstein justice because we want a congressional commission and we want the government
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to look into this matter we need some perpetrator we need perpetrators to be indicted and we also need
00:34:43.220
victims to be helped out tremendously and this your organization is of course a non-profit uh and if
00:34:49.700
people want to contribute and people want to contribute where can they go epsteinjustice.com that's about as
00:34:55.780
simple as we could make it and our objective is very simple too we want a congressional commission that's
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what we're vying for and that's what we want a congressional commission incorporates citizens
00:35:09.300
and independent investigators and we can uncover truth the there have been some very corrupt
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commissions in the past like the warren commission but that was a presidential commission that wasn't
00:35:20.820
a congressional commission so what we need now is our congress people to step up form a commission and
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and incorporate people with integrity and really good investigators and i think that we can at that
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point get to the bottom of all of this i mean the truth of the matter is epstein had essentially slipped
00:35:44.820
the punch he had been caught the extensive of his activities was known to state and federal prosecutors
00:35:52.180
that he's been federally protected we already know because uh when michael reiner the police chief objected
00:35:59.620
to local palm beach county prosecutor barry kushner's decision to simply charge epstein with solicitation
00:36:08.100
then bumped up to solicitation of a minor he went to the u.s attorney alexander acosta uh with the hopes
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that acosta uh would actually seek justice in the case acosta launched his own investigation took some time
00:36:21.860
and then he rubber stamped the state's slap on the wrist for epstein uh and epstein was as you know
00:36:29.220
convicted after his lawyers negotiated a sweetheart deal uh and then uh he was having gourmet meals
00:36:35.620
brought into the south the air-conditioned palm beach county jail uh and the palm beach county
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sheriff's office was essentially providing a security detail for jeffrey's daily business meetings and
00:36:48.500
rounds uh he only had to be in jail 12 hours a day he was free to be elsewhere uh and go about his
00:36:57.060
business so we assume he went right back to his dirty deeds i have accredited julie brown with the
00:37:03.060
miami herald continuing to pound on this story which is why uh after being sentenced in florida in 2008
00:37:12.180
it is not until 2019 that epstein was arrested again arrested at teterboro airport in new jersey uh
00:37:20.100
upon returning from paris by the way they did not use uh 29 heavily armed fbi agents to take him down
00:37:27.860
and uh the fbi thoughtfully allowed him to throw a coat over his handcuffs so people couldn't see he was
00:37:35.140
being arrested because they didn't want to embarrass him uh he was charged by federal prosecutors in new
00:37:41.220
york with sex trafficking of minors in both florida and new york and he was subsequently uh held at
00:37:46.420
the metropolitan correctional center in manhattan uh the fbi was much nicer to epstein than they were
00:37:54.420
to you that's for sure that's precisely the point that i was making so uh when acosta is asked after
00:38:01.780
he gets appointed secretary of labor uh how he will handle this issue if it comes up by the way
00:38:08.420
donald trump has was never told that acosta was the federal prosecutor who who uh rubber stamped
00:38:14.340
the florida conviction of epstein uh he says well if it comes up i'll tell the truth which is the cia
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told me that he worked for them my theory uh all along here has been that epstein was a
00:38:26.740
an equal opportunity blackmailer he was a soldier for hire uh i suspect that he worked not only for us
00:38:34.340
intelligence but conceivably also israeli intelligence saudi intelligence i think he would work for
00:38:40.420
anyone who was looking for dirt on very powerful people uh which is explains these tapes i find the
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question of how he got his instantaneous wealth very interesting he went from being a teacher at a
00:38:54.900
private boy school teaching math to uh to being a multi-millionaire he got fired he was fired from
00:39:02.580
that and then he was fired from bear stearns too uh but that wasn't even a speed bump for for his upward
00:39:09.460
mobility uh the same with emstein go ahead right uh we got about two and a half minutes here and then we'll
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go to break and come back with it but as you know uh his real financial breakthrough seems to come through
00:39:22.100
when he uh when he acquires this the power of signature over the uh the wealth uh of the uh
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less wexner that's wexner precisely the owner of victoria the ceo of albrand yes uh wexner
00:39:39.540
i've got a theory about that well so wexner gives epstein total power of attorney over his entire
00:39:46.180
financial empire wexner cuts off all of his old friends uh resigns from his country club cuts doesn't
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go to his high school reunion uh becomes a bit of a recluse uh and he gifts to epstein the single
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largest private residence in the borough of manhattan in new york city uh i i do want to hear uh your
00:40:10.340
your theory on uh on less wexner it was known by the way in republican circles that wexner's was a
00:40:16.260
bit strange there were rumors uh that he was a pedophile but they were nothing other than that
00:40:22.580
rumors but epstein acquires uh his enormous wealth uh and he starts to live an extraordinarily opulent
00:40:30.580
lifestyle when we come back i want to ask nick bryant if there really is an epstein quote unquote
00:40:37.380
list he gave a great interview last week in which he explained why he does not believe that is the
00:40:42.660
case uh we'll talk a bit more about the bombshell epstein case and where it might lead but i also
00:40:49.300
want to talk to him about the single best book written about watergate uh the truth about watergate
00:40:54.660
a tale of extraordinary lies and liars uh by nick bryant nick is by the way not a nixon fan not a
00:41:01.060
republican he's i also i don't think he's a democrat i don't know his politics he's a straight up
00:41:06.100
investigative reporter who writes and reports and writes books where his research takes him so
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we'll be right back with nick bryant to get the inside skinny on epstein also p diddy and what's
00:41:18.660
going on there and the truth about watergate whatever you do don't touch that dial because
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00:42:08.420
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stone and we're back we're talking to investigative journalist nick bryant he is the man who broke the
00:42:26.020
jeffrey epstein story in the united states with a series of blockbuster stories for gawker uh nick uh
00:42:34.580
we were talking about less wexner and the fact that epstein suddenly accumulates wealth appearing
00:42:41.460
apparently wexner's wealth uh he rebrands himself as the man managing a billion dollar hedge fund
00:42:50.020
but as my friends who are who do run hedge funds say it's a hedge fund that doesn't do any deals people
00:42:55.940
in the hedge fund business knew he wasn't running a hedge fund you said you had a theory about wexner
00:43:01.060
so this is what i've been thinking about in 1987 wexner gave emstein the keys to his kingdom and over
00:43:08.580
his billions he could do whatever he wanted with that money and this is kind of funny you know the
00:43:13.780
mainstream media has been so disingenuous when covering this story vanity fair said and and
00:43:21.220
this is kind of mind-boggling but vanity fair said the reason why less wexner gave jeffrey epstein
00:43:30.020
power of attorney over his vast fortune was because he was lonely that's what vanity fair said and it
00:43:40.340
even gets more absurd when you get into leon black leon black of apollo gave epstein 150 million
00:43:48.340
and the mainstream media reported that jeffrey epstein was helping leon save money from taxes from
00:43:56.260
the irs that leon black i'm sure he's got a floor and a high rise dedicated to saving him money on his
00:44:06.260
taxes so the the excuses that the mainstream media has kicked out about this is really disingenuous
00:44:14.500
but i will say this i've been giving this a lot of thought and i think so we have less wexner
00:44:22.020
giving jeffrey i mean potentially a couple billion dollars and then we have leon black giving him 150
00:44:28.660
million dollars i think it's entirely possible that jeffrey epstein and we talked about that
00:44:35.540
earlier he was an intelligence agent or or certainly an intelligence asset he might have been laundering
00:44:41.940
money under the auspices of him having power of attorney over less wexner and also of leon black
00:44:50.420
giving him 150 million dollars because he was going to save leon black from paying certain taxes i think
00:44:56.660
that that is one of the things that's been percolating in my mind over the last couple of
00:45:02.260
months is that jeffrey epstein was wandering money for intelligence i'm i'm not 100 sold on that but i
00:45:10.740
think it's a pretty good barometer of what we what we've seen we certainly can't count on the mainstream
00:45:18.420
media the mainstream media is telling us that les wexner gave jeffrey epstein 100 uh power of attorney over
00:45:25.940
his fortune 1987 because he was lonely i mean we really can't take that too seriously during after
00:45:31.940
you wrote your gawker articles before i wrote my book we both uh came across a character named steve
00:45:38.100
hoffenberg hoffenberg uh who is no longer with us uh had gone to jail himself in an epic financial fraud but
00:45:47.060
epstein had gone to work for hoffenberg hoffenberg predicted to both of us uh that epstein's
00:45:54.660
arrests by the fbi was imminent uh that he would be charged with sex trafficking of minors in both
00:46:01.060
florida and new york we both uh sought to completely disregard what he said uh but he turned out to be
00:46:08.180
right now we turn to the question of whether jeffrey epstein actually committed suicide the government
00:46:13.540
tells us that he died in his jail cell on august 10th 2019 at the metropolitan correctional center in new
00:46:19.380
york city while awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges david shown a lawyer he had
00:46:25.460
just retained to defend him at trial had been retained the day before had had an extensive
00:46:32.660
uh uh conference call with him uh had lined up a four-point defense uh he points out that the coroner
00:46:40.340
michael uh badden uh and uh did an examination and said that the marks on epstein's body were not
00:46:48.500
consistent with suicide what do you think happened there it's very obvious that there were many
00:46:54.820
anomalies that night and they took his uh his cellmate was taken out there were guards that were sleeping
00:47:02.100
the video was down it's entirely conceivable that jeffrey epstein was murdered or maybe someone helped
00:47:09.700
him commit suicide but i try not to focus on that too much i think it's a red herring to a certain degree
00:47:16.260
because what we need is justice for jeffrey epstein's victims we can go around and around and around
00:47:24.100
and the mainstream media has about whether he killed himself whether he didn't indications are that if
00:47:30.580
he didn't kill himself someone certainly helped him but my focus has been on justice for epstein's
00:47:36.180
victims and and that's long overdue and the u.s attorney for the southern district of manhattan uh damian
00:47:45.780
williams he was the one that oversaw maxwell's trial when maxwell was on she was on trial she was on
00:47:55.940
trial for a couple of different conspiracies uh one was trafficking and one was the intent to traffic
00:48:03.220
and only four victims were called and the four victims that were called had only been molested by
00:48:10.660
either maxwell and or epstein so they couldn't name a number of the other perpetrators that was a very
00:48:18.260
carefully choreographed uh trial that ultimately found maxwell and found her guilty and gave her 20 years
00:48:25.940
and she was given i mean her she's been in a cush federal prison for the last couple of years she's
00:48:34.100
living in a dormitory which is definitely way beyond where she should be at at this point
00:48:41.860
generally only prisoners that have had exemplary behavior that are close to getting out are living
00:48:47.300
in dormitories that's how it generally goes but damian williams is also the u.s attorney that indicted
00:48:53.940
p diddy and that grand jury was very very crooked it indicted p diddy on one kind of racketeering
00:49:02.340
conspiracy but like maxwell it didn't invite anybody else it's really hard to have a conspiracy when
00:49:09.540
there's only one person that's responsible for the crime so i believe that damon williams was brought
00:49:16.900
in to make sure that the maxwell trial was carefully choreographed and then he was brought in to make
00:49:23.140
sure that the p diddy trial or the p diddy grand jury he was brought in for damage control for the p diddy
00:49:31.220
grand jury and now that p diddy is waiting in jail keeping his mouth shut like maxwell i think that
00:49:40.100
he saw what happened to emstein and he saw what happened to maxwell and i think that p diddy said well
00:49:44.980
you know i think i'm gonna play this like maxwell and after that now damon williams has resigned from
00:49:53.220
being the u.s attorney for the southern district which is considered the most powerful federal law
00:49:58.100
enforcement agent but i found something very interesting when i was digging into him he was he came out of
00:50:05.700
the clinton machine and terry mccullough and you could tell that he was reared by some very dirty
00:50:14.260
politicians but he was given a hundred thousand dollar grant to go through law school at yale by the paul
00:50:23.540
and daisy soros foundation which gives grants to the children of immigrants his parents are from jamaica
00:50:32.100
but what's really interesting is that peter soros is on the board nick i'm afraid we have to leave it
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there i want to thank you for joining us again again tell folks where they can go to help the epstein
00:50:45.300
victims epsteinjustice.com and we can use all your help all right nick bryant investigative journalist
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today breaking news right here in the stone zone until the next time god bless you and godspeed