The Stone Zone ｜ 03-25-25
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Pres. President Donald J. Trump has declared that we will no longer be terrorized and to guarantee free passage and free commerce on the high seas. Meanwhile, Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has announced plans to ban pharmaceutical advertisements on television.
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this is the stone zone with roger stone people love him and respect him roger stone
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now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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welcome you are entering the stone zone here we talk politics the democrats uh and their handmaidens
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in the media have their panties in a twist over a leaked signal chat that included the top appointees
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and advisors to president donald trump in which they discussed an order by the president to attack
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the terrorist houthis uh the houthis have been terrorizing and shooting at attacking u.s
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vehicles i should say vessels uh in the black sea uh and the president has decided that we will no
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longer be terrorized and to guarantee free passage and free commerce on the high seas uh it's strange
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because signal is approved as a secure uh platform for internal government communications and actually
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no top classified information was was revealed here there's always going to be debate and discussion
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in any administration but democrats like senator mark warner who are really raising cane today they
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didn't seem to be too upset when hillary clinton used uh utilized classified documents on her illegal
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computer server hypocrisy abounds meanwhile health secretary robert f kennedy jr has announced plans to
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ban pharmaceutical advertisements on television kennedy has proposed uh that president trump signed an
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executive order to enact this ban although legal challenges will definitely uh be posited under the
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first amendment sure to be argued by the major drug companies as well as some of the major media outlets
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since the 1970s the courts have held the view that advertising is a form of commercial speech
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guaranteed by the first amendment on the other hand there's precedent for overriding such concerns
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in the advertising area as fcc chairman brendan carr a new appointee of president donald trump noted during
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a recent podcast appearance the nixon administration was able to ban cigarette ads in early 1971
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after congress passed a law banning tobacco products from appearing on television and radio that proved to be a
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windfall for print media but erased an estimated 150 million dollars then that would be 1.23 billion today
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from broadcasters budgets back in 1980 the supreme court created a multi-part test to determine whether
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the government can restrict commercial speech assuming the speech concerns lawful activities and isn't misleading
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a regulation of commercial speech would be upheld only if the government's interest
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in regulating the speech was substantial the regulation quote directly advances that substantial
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government interest and the regulation is not broader than necessary to achieve than substantial
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government interests during the first trump administration a federal judge prevented the
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trump administration from requiring that commercials for prescription drugs include
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prices for all drugs that cost more than 35 dollars three major drug companies uh merck
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eli lilly and amgen sued to block the rule in part on first amendment grounds the judge didn't take a
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view on that question although instead ruling that the department of health and human services now headed by
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robert f kennedy jr lacked the regulatory power to implement such a rule actually back then
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uh more recently the chairman of the fcc carr said i think it probably requires a two-step process where
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congress must first pass a law uh and then maybe the department of health and human services can do it but
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there is a precedent where that can happen and the fcc endorses the concept now robert kennedy's plan does not
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align with the general public's feeling about big pharma according to a recent gallup poll 58 to 60 percent
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of americans have a negative view of the industry as an additional bonus this move would also be a
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crushing blow to news networks across the country big pharma ads are a significant revenue stream for
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television networks in 2024 big pharma companies spent six billion dollars on tv ads accounting for
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10 to 12 percent of total tv ad revenue networks like cnn cbs abc and nbc benefit heavily from spending
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with prescription drug brands contributing nearly half of their current ad revenue this ban could
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cripple the networks that are already laying off employees en masse due to the low ratings since
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the election and the erosion of their credibility largely thanks to well president donald trump meanwhile
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we see on the internet social media influencers have been caught posting coordinated messages opposing
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proposed nutritional guidelines for the so-called snap benefits that's the government assistant program
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formerly known as food stamps to most of you after receiving payments from public relation firms
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the campaign emerged as hhs secretary robert f kennedy explores limitations on using these food stamp
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snap benefits for sugary beverages during fiscal year 2021 the program dispersed over 121 billion in benefits
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with a significant portion being spent on ultra sugary drinks that provide minimal nutritional value
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kennedy has previously argued in an opinion column that it is quote nonsensical for u.s taxpayers to spend
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tens of billions of dollars subsidizing junk that harms the health of low-income americans in response several
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high-profile accounts on the internet began posting nearly identical messages criticizing
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kennedy's kennedy's proposed reform ian miles chong who has over 1.2 million followers
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on x claimed that this was a new war on soda this post and several like it were orchestrated by a company called
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influenceable a public relations firm offering influence up to one thousand dollars per post to oppose the snap
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food stamp reforms this incident i think highlights a long-standing pattern in the beverage industry's
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approach to policy debates over sugary drinks for more than two decades soda companies have quietly funded
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scientists advocacy groups journalists and community organizations to counter proposals limiting sugary beverage
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consumption now i must say nobody offered me money to post on my social media pages in favor of
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these drinks that i think have no nutritional value and in my opinion also may be harmful to your health but had
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they offered i don't think i would have accepted meanwhile there is enormous controversy over the president's
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new appointee uh the center for disease control appointee of appointment of dr susan monterez uh is uh
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extraordinarily controversial monterez worked for both the biden and obama administration she supported
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all of anthony fauci's policies including a coveted 19 vaccinations for six month old babies she also has praised
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bill gates's bill gates controversial foundation for their quote incredible impact on global health
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monterez is a staunch proponent of the world health organization which president donald trump
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rightly pulled this country out of now many republicans many conservatives many free thinkers are calling
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for president trump to withdraw this nomination of monterez in favor of florida's attorney general
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dr joseph latipo latipo latipo latipo was the only state attorney general to speak out against
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the covid 19 vaccinations issues with both safety and effectiveness joining us shortly is uh cali means an
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informal advisor to uh hhs secretary robert f kennedy the author of a terrific book uh the means the surprising
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connection between metabolism and connection between metabolism and limitless health uh this is a book
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that actually changed my life i'm going to ask him about this when he joins us shortly uh this appointment
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seems to run counter uh to robert f kennedy's maha efforts the effort to make america healthy again
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i'm going to ask cali means what he thinks about this coming up in the meantime the fbi is investigating
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multiple incendiary devices found tesla dealerships in texas uh that's exactly right the austin police
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have located suspicious devices after responding to a tesla dealership at just eight o'clock a.m local
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time and they called in their bomb squad to investigate the devices were determined to be incendiary and
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were taken into police custody without incident the fbi announced yesterday that a new task force to
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combat this domestic terrorism targeting tesla properties has been established the fbi will
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be relentless in its mission to protect the american people act of violence vandalism and domestic
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terrorism like this recent rash of tesla attacks will be pursued within the full force of the law
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the fbi said in a statement yesterday i played for you uh audio recordings of congresswoman jasmine
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crockett uh advocating violence against tesla dealerships uh charging stations and individual tesla owners
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there is no place in america uh or our political discourse for violence uh and i reject all of this
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but i also point out substantial evidence that these are coordinated attacks uh on elon musk and tesla because
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musk is uncovering not millions not billions but trillions of dollars of waste fraud and corruption
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i'm not just stepping stone this is the stone zone now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and we're back in the stone zone joining me now is levi browd levi is the executive director with the
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new york-based fallin dafa information center an organization dedicated to ending the human rights abuses
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against people who practice falun gong in china he's also involved in the chinese entertainment
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extravaganza shen yun which and which opens in lincoln center tomorrow i believe it is uh
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levi welcome to the stone zone thank you so much for having me so look many hollywood stars and
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celebrities are welcomed in china the fact they roll out the red carpet for them
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uh but shen yun is banned in china and constantly attacked by the chinese communist party here in
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the u.s soil why is that two vain reasons uh for decades the chinese regime has been trying to destroy
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authentic chinese culture because they wanted to instill marxism on people um and so shen yun is
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recognized that revived real chinese culture and put it on stage to share with the world and that
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demonstrates that the chinese regime is not the authentic or legitimate shepherd of the chinese
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people its culture or or the nation and the second reason is that it was founded by people who practice
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falun gong which is a spiritual buddhist race practice that the chinese regime has been demonizing
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and trying to in their words eradicate for 25 years and here they are putting on this great show and
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showing the tyranny of the ccp for millions of people to watch and that's not a message beijing wants
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anybody to see yeah i'm uh very familiar with falun gong my wife is a buddhist practitioner of it uh the
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new york times recently published a series of scathing attack articles against shen yun uh what is
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your response to these allegations what would you like to say to correct the record regards to these
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attacks on this chinese entertainment extravaganza which frankly i've seen and i highly recommend to my
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audience well it's a couple things one the picture they paint is a complete distortion of reality
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and represents in no way uh the culture of the company its mission and what the people are like
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my two sons actually who used to play baseball now dance with shen yun and it's completely opposite of
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their experience and our experience i think that's one thing the second thing is it's interesting that if
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you look over the last 25 years the new york times has never spent nearly this much time and
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resources dedicated to the fangong topic the torture and murder of entertainment of millions of people
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across china and suddenly they spend all this time and resources on shen yun that's very curious
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it's especially curious because this is happening right at the same time that the chinese regime this
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is over the last year and a half has escalated in a brand new campaign to try and eliminate falangong
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globally and a key part of that is the sabotage and take down the shen yun company so right as beijing
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is trying to do that at the same time that's when the new york times got interested in the story and
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that's when they started publishing these hit pieces so if uh our listeners go to the shen yun show
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at lincoln center or any place across the country because uh you do perform the performance troupe
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does appear across the country what will they see they'll see what what china really looked like
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before the rise of communism which is a very beautiful and profound and spiritual culture
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it's incredibly uplifting it's incredibly inspiring and there's even a couple pieces normally it goes you
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know it goes through different dynasties throughout chinese history but there's a couple pieces of modern
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china and they'll see the heroism of people who practice falangong and others standing up to that
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tyranny so overall a very beautiful show and a very inspiring show all right that is shen yun uh
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opening at the lincoln center i want to thank levi proud for joining us today and correcting some of the
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disinformation coming from the new york times you're tuned in to the stone zone here on the red apple audio
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this is the stone zone with roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting in the
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office and i'll say this in front of roger he's no baby and right now he's cleaner than anybody in this
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place now as they treated him very unfairly now get in the zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and you're back in the stone zone joining me now is cali means cali means is an informal advisor to
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hhs secretary robert kennedy and was one of the key people uh involved in the political alliance between
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donald trump and robert f kennedy jr which changed the political landscape in america i think this is a
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new realignment of right-thinking republicans democrats independents free thinkers libertarians
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and others committed to making america both great again and healthy again cali means is the uh
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author with his sister dr casey means of a book good energy the surprising connection between metabolism and
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limitless health health i must tell you this book literally changed my life uh was sent to me
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by suzy wiles uh who was president trump's co-campaign manager now the white house chief of staff uh long before
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the trump kennedy alliance uh was formulated uh and they came together this book changed everything about the way
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i eat it is an amazing book you're tuned into the stone zone here on the red apple audio networks and
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well we'll be right back with cali means to talk us to us about the effort to make america healthy again
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whatever you do don't touch that dial we'll be right back with cali means this is the stone zone with roger
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steppin stone not just steppin stone the stone zone
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this is the stone zone with roger stone they went after a guy named roger stone who's sitting in the
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office and i'll say this in front of roger he's no baby and right now he's cleaner than anybody in this
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place now as they treated him very unfairly now get him a zone it's the stone zone here's roger stone
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and you're back in the stone zone joining me now is cali means he is an informal advisor to
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hha secretary robert kennedy and the trump administration on health policy and was a key
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player in the political alliance of the two men that i think has changed the face of american
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politics you may have seen or heard him on the joe rogan podcast or with tucker carlson uh cali first
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i want to thank you because your book good energy the surprising connection between metabolism and
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limitless health literally changed my life suzy wiles the trump campaign manager now the first
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woman white house chief of staff gave me this book long before the kennedy trump alliance uh was
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realized uh and i was mesurized by it i changed my eating habits uh i feel much better i've lost weight
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i sleep better and i give you and your sister enormous credit for this roger thank you for that and
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i appreciate everything you said but the listeners need to know when it came to this historic unity
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party uh that formed the bobby kennedy tulsi gabbard and others i mean the history books will remember
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you as a person that worked behind the scenes in front of the scenes to bring that together and
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i can tell you from from seeing inside the administration a little bit it is just amazing
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watching these former democrats walk the halls mesh in so well and really here to just drive
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transformational change so so so thank you and and on the book and that your point about suzy
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i think it's spiritual what happened i mean my sister i wrote this book after our mom died of
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a preventable disease i actually suzy reached out i connected with her well over a year before the
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election and and president trump was it was talking about these maha issues well before the bobby
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kennedy endorsement and uh and i i think that's why this this union was so natural they they really
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bonded over as i know you saw that just what's happening to kids this is not a partisan issue that
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for whatever reason the left has abdicated care about what's happening to kids yeah it is really
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extraordinary i really think that the division between republicans and democrats is almost an
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anachronism it is a relic of the past that is not the major division in america today as i see it the
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division is between the globalists those who believe in war those who believe in censorship those who think
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it's fine for big pharma and big food to really do whatever they want without ever questioning uh
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the drugs and food that we're giving our families uh and those who favor peace those who favor free
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speech and those who think that well we ought to look at how drugs in america are approved whether they're
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safe and effective we ought to look at processed food particularly in this country and why the health
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statistics for america the wealthiest country on the face of the planet are so bad clearly we have
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an epidemic of a chronic childhood disease uh and that does not mesh with our education levels or our
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income levels it is it is an epidemic and we have to question why this is happening this is why we have
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this historic alliance it's it's unbelievable and i think it's the core historical trend why president
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trump is the most important political figure of our lifetime because he represents the shift from
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a left-right axis to it's the american people versus the uniparty and for whatever reason the democrats
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are the party of the experts the party of trusting big food companies big pharma the military industrial
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complex and president trump and marshal a coalition where people are saying something isn't right uh and
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it's much larger than than party i mean i grew up as a young conservative you know you remember this 15 20
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years ago you didn't question big pharma or big food to be a republican you know was to go to the
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country club and not question any of these industries but you're exactly right and president
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trump's pointing this out um out of 212 countries roger 212 countries developed and developing we have
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the worst pediatric cancer rates in the world we are dead last among every country in the world 38
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percent of teens have prediabetes i mean these are just foundational questions that clearly are the
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result of corporate capture of our systems and we haven't even gotten a policy yet but the fact
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that president trump and bobby kennedy are even just acknowledging this reality uh you know actually
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acknowledging the frustration that every mom in this country feels when they walk into a classroom and
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see the majority of kids overweight or obese i mean that that's a historic development and um and i
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think 2024 will go down at the time i think the traditional party structure got destroyed it's really about
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one side questioning our institutions that are letting us down getting that corruption out of
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the way to let americans thrive and one side defending these institutions which have demonstrably failed
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when i heard uh bobby kennedy advocating that fast food chains use beef tallow to fry their french fries
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it occurred to me that i haven't been doing mcdonald's in i don't know 20 years uh but i do remember when i
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i was a kid how great the french fries were so just as an experiment i went by mcdonald's i bought a uh
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a large uh order of fries and they tasted like plastic they actually had no taste whatsoever i
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remember them being so good i'm not sure they were good for you but i remember they're being so good now
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in all honesty they have no taste whatsoever uh it is uh it is uh i think one of the more important
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arguments that he has made i want to ask you about his efforts to ban pharmaceutical companies
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big drug companies from advertising on television and radio we don't allow advertising for cigarettes
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we don't allow advertising for alcohol uh some people say that such a ban would violate the first
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amendment i don't agree with that i think it is a great idea well president trump and bobby kennedy
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have talked about that during the campaign they haven't announced anything yet but i think we
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can absolutely expect a flurry of great maha announcements let me just speak to that real
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quick high level um in 1997 pharma companies were required to disclose more on the ads there's a clear
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constitutional precedent that when consumers need to be informed and through some corporate cronyism that
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was relaxed and then we had a flurry of pharmaceutical ads and since then pharmaceutical rates have exploded
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we have 4.9 billion prescriptions a year in the united states with most medicated country in the world
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and we've become since then the sickest country in the world so i think there's a clear constitutional
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argument not necessarily to ban but absolutely have more disclosures they used to require the the
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companies to read much more of the risks clearly nobody can argue that patients are not are being
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informed correctly right now when it comes to pharmaceutical products so i know president trump and bobby have
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talked about looking at that very closely now it's something that i really think can be done the courts have
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ruled uh that it is allowable when there's a significant public interest i think that exactly the the the
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epidemic uh and the health statistics for the country demonstrate that there is a significant public
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interest uh look for years i have been a devotee of eastern medicine acupuncture herbs exercise which is
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centuries old rather than uh than western medicine which is only a couple hundred years old my friends
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some of them laugh at me but uh you know i remain pretty healthy and i don't think the answer to
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everything is popping a pill which seems to be the prescription of our both our medical uh industrial
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complex and the drug companies that pay doctors directly to advocate certain drugs i also think that should
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probably be outlawed i think doctors should make recommendations on the basis of what's in the best
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interests of their patients right not the best interests of the big drug companies that are paying
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them to push specific prescription drugs uh what do you make of this controversy over the snap program
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i saw that coca-cola and pepsicola uh make approximately between five and six billion dollars a year from
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taxpayers from the snap program which replaced the food stamp program how is this subsidy of
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soda been allowed to exist for so long you know president trump is that he's really interested in
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these european comparisons how we're such an outlier versus every other country in the world
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and one thing we noticed we're the only country in the world where our low-income nutrition program
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subsidizes soda and as you just said it's shocking 20 of coke's u.s revenue roughly comes from the
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american taxpayer for a program that's supposed to be giving nutrition to lower income folks
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i just will repeat that again we send over 10 billion dollars a year from the federal treasury
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to soda companies president trump loves his diet coke he presses the button we're nobody's trying to ban
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coke but i think we can all agree everyone listening can agree that there should not be a federal
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subsidy for coca-cola for kids tying to the medical industry rogers you were talking about and how our
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codes and our medical guidelines are corrupted you had the american heart association who's paid
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millions of dollars to this day by food companies actually they sent a lobbyist to texas on one of
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these state bills for snap they lobbied for government subsidies for soda for kids based on public outrage
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from a lot of bobby's maha warriors and president trump's warriors they actually renounced that uh that move
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but but you have really evil incentives right now where the american heart association is supporting
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government subsidized coca-cola and i think that's what bobby and president trump are starting it's
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like let's cut the subsidies for bad stuff and let's get the science right as you said i'm not
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pro-drug anti-drug pro eastern medicine anti we should just have the best guidelines that aren't
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corrupted and often roger that is somebody's obese or pre-diabetic you know we're pushing ozempic on
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six-year-olds right now literally the american academy pediatrics is recommending ozempic as the first
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first line defense for kids to jab them for life that's just not medically accurate what president
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trump and bobby are saying is let's just get the subsidies corrected and let's get the guidelines
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correct i mean look i think you have to balance uh libertarianism because i consider myself a
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libertarian uh with good public policy so i'm for health freedom that means if you want to drink a
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coke that's up to you but nobody should mandate that you have to drink a coke uh just as i don't think
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anyone should mandate that you have to take a specific vaccination if you choose to do that
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that should be you're right but you should know the risks and the government should be honest with you
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about the risks about the the efficacy of of the drugs that they are making uh publicly available
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now you've said that 60 percent of u.s foods contain chemicals that are banned in other countries
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i noticed that cereals specifically uh that are the same brand name in this country as they do in
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europe but here they have a number of chemicals in them that are banned in europe tell us about this
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yeah you get to cereals demonstrably different ingredients you know something that's been a
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flashpoint rogers these food dyes they're made from crude oil they're called a possible concern
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carcinogen by medical authorities and they're highly tied to adhd and behavior problems for kids which
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you can imagine if kids are chugging raw oil literally um these dyes are banned in every other
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country when you look at a box of cereal that's made in america they make the cereal with juice and
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carrot juice and ship it up to canada over to europe in america they make it in america and they make
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it with crude oil coloring in the united states so actually this is one of the big wins already for
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bobby kennedy he said we're going to review the generally recognized as safe standards right now the food
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industry self-police is now that's not libertarian that's crony capitalism uh literally the fda not
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even knowing what's in our food and what bobby's asked for as a start is we should just know what's
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in our food and have studies on that so we can make informed decisions as uh as consumers and for
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lawmakers um you mentioned mcdonald french fries just real quick in europe they have three ingredients in
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the united states they have 17 ingredients there's just something happening i think where american voters
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want to be healthy they want the correct information but they're just not getting it
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and it's this devil's bargain where we're clearly being poisoned uh by a variety of factors and it's
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profiting the medical system uh and we need to get that back under control i could not agree more i
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really think that uh that the entire make america healthy again movement the maha movement uh when you
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added to the make america great movement is the wave of the future in american politics forget republican
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and democrat is no longer about that it really is a coalition uh about common sense i i think that is
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what binds us together common sense in every regard common sense when it comes to war and peace common
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sense when it comes to free speech common sense when it comes to the health and the safety of our
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our families the president uh is uh he is a stout warrior the attacks on him continue uh but i i i don't
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really understand it because the hard hysterical uh left in america acts like they're surprised at his
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agenda he laid this all out as did robert kennedy as did tulsi gabbard one of the most effective
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surrogates and now our director of national intelligence they laid it out chapter and verse on the
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campaign trail uh yet the the democrats act like this is all a major surprise uh he has a mandate he won
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the popular vote he won all seven swing states he is in fact going to usher in a golden age of peace
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prosperity security and yes better health you're listening to the stone zone on the red apple audio
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networks we're talking to cali means he is the founder of tru med a company that enables tax-free
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spending on food and exercise i knew two great political strategist consultants in my day both
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lee atwater and david sawyer a democrat they both died uh with a ring of brain tumors around their
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right ear and they were both incessantly always on a cell phone uh you have said that you believe
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cell phone radiation is damaging to humans uh can you uh talk to us about that for a minute
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i'll take it one level higher roger there's no curiosity in the medical system right now about
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why cancer rates particularly among children are at an all-time high right now and i want to point you
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to the executive order president trump signed in about 70 days he's going to be releasing a report
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with bobby kennedy on on why kids are getting sick why american adults are getting sick why chronic
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disease rates are at an all-time high and one of the taboo subjects one of the subjects we're told not to
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talk about is electromagnetic radiation i always say with this you know no parent would enroll their
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child in a study where half the children had a phone strapped their head for two years and i i think
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that kind of points to why it's just common sense there's clearly something going on so so roger the
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truth is i don't know whether it's our food whether it's our toxins are viral whether it's cell phones
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but president trump is going to get to the bottom of this and i'll also just tell everyone we should all
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be excited about jay badasharia the stanford professor who was shunned almost fired from
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stanford by questioning lockdown orthodoxy uh is now coming in this week to take over the 50 billion
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dollar research budget of the nih and he will be fulfilling president trump's mandate to take this
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study to take these hypotheses and study these things we don't study this right now roger we don't
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study why we're getting sick we study how to profit pharma once we already are sick
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all right i'm afraid we have to leave it there i want to thank cali means who again the author of
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an amazing book a book that changed my life that is good energy the surprising connection between
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metabolism and limitless health that book by the way debuted at number one on the new york times in
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the amazon bestseller list i commend it to you uh he is doing huge service for this country to make
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america healthy again a key player in the political alliance between robert kennedy and president donald
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trump that is changing the entire face of american politics you've been listening to the stone zone
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here on the red apple audio networks until we meet again god bless you and god speed and god bless america
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