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00:00:40.780 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:00:44.620 People love him and respect him.

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00:00:47.340 Now, get in the zone.

00:00:49.260 It's the Stone Zone.

00:00:51.300 Here's Roger Stone.

00:00:52.840 And I'm Jake Novak filling in for Roger Stone on this Tuesday night, April 14th.

00:00:59.800 I hope you have your taxes done.

00:01:01.920 And if you don't and you want to file an extension, you've got to send in the money tomorrow.

00:01:09.660 You don't get an extension on when the money is due.

00:01:12.160 So even if you don't know how much you owe for sure, make an estimate and send it in or you'll get dinged for a penalty.

00:01:18.540 That's my little bit of advice for you right now.

00:01:20.680 I know a lot of folks are going to be going on TurboTax tonight and tomorrow.

00:01:25.020 Good luck with that.

00:01:26.640 It's not the worst process in the world.

00:01:28.220 Just make sure you have all your documents.

00:01:31.220 And, you know, I think I speak for almost everyone.

00:01:34.800 I'm sure I speak for Rogers on this one as well.

00:01:37.500 This isn't a stretch.

00:01:39.420 I would have a lot less problem with doing my taxes, with paying my taxes,

00:01:44.560 if I really felt like that money was being spent somewhat efficiently

00:01:49.900 really helping someone better than I could do myself. I remember one year

00:01:54.100 I completely took a look at how much I paid in taxes

00:01:58.340 and thought about all the good things I could have done for American

00:02:02.420 businesses, even some charities, and how

00:02:06.540 much better I could have done with that money if I had just directly decided

00:02:10.720 to dole it out myself. I would have bought a car

00:02:14.500 that year, a new car, which would have helped create American jobs and get a commission

00:02:18.660 for the salesperson and etc etc i would have given to a particular school and i wouldn't have

00:02:25.360 just given it to their general fund i would have donated an ipad or a bunch of school books i mean

00:02:29.860 you know a lot of schools have these kinds of opportunities and we all know that that's not

00:02:34.180 really that the actual amount of money that the government takes in is totally immaterial to how

00:02:38.300 much they're going to spend no matter who the president is no matter who's in congress

00:02:42.640 it's just incredible that there are people in this country who still think that it matters

00:02:48.480 that our deficit problems and our budget problems

00:02:51.740 are because we're not taking in enough money.

00:02:54.020 There could be infinity money coming in from the people,

00:02:57.200 and it wouldn't matter.

00:02:58.140 We would still outspend it.

00:03:00.120 We have a spending problem,

00:03:01.360 and we have a structural problem that doesn't curb our spending.

00:03:04.460 And it's one thing if the average Joe on the street

00:03:06.420 or Democrat politician pushes that

00:03:08.660 or maybe even really believes it.

00:03:11.120 But I literally saw,

00:03:13.000 and you can find it on my social media feed,

00:03:15.560 I literally saw a few months ago

00:03:17.300 a headline in the wall street journal talking about how we have a revenue problem and of all

00:03:21.980 people the folks at the wall street journal don't understand that you can have as many

00:03:25.680 partisan opinions as you want and we know that there have been so many things now on the front

00:03:30.620 page of the journal in the last few years that have been really leftist and it just feels weird

00:03:34.840 to see it there and as bad as that is that's one thing but the for the wall street journal to be

00:03:41.260 economically illiterate and you need to be pretty economically illiterate to believe that we have a

00:03:45.560 revenue problem and not a spending problem in this country that takes a level of mathematical

00:03:52.220 ineptitude that's be almost beyond comprehension for an adult person especially someone who works

00:03:58.760 at the wall street journal you know the wall street journal and all financial news and i'm

00:04:02.660 telling you this is a guy who was an executive producer for over 30 years in tv news and i've

00:04:08.900 been in front of the camera and the mic now for a couple of years so you're talking about almost

00:04:11.820 35 years of experience. I can tell you right now, and I did a lot of financial news. I was an

00:04:16.320 executive producer at CNBC. I was their senior editorial columnist for many years. And the whole

00:04:22.240 financial news workforce is an anathema, is kind of an anachronism, I should say. It's also an

00:04:27.540 anathema. It's an anachronism in and of itself because most people get into journalism because

00:04:31.620 they want to avoid math. It's like the old Chevy Chase joke from the original SNL when he's

00:04:36.860 impersonating Gerald Ford at the debate and they ask him a question about fiscal stuff. And he

00:04:41.340 It was my understanding there would be no math.

00:04:43.880 I mean, people get into journalism, so they don't have to do math.

00:04:46.440 And so financial journalists are already an anachronism in themselves.

00:04:49.640 That said, you would expect the reporters at the Journal, the fully staffed, on the editorial staff there, to know.

00:04:58.660 And this isn't a partisan statement.

00:05:00.260 I'm sorry.

00:05:00.800 If you think it is, I feel so sorry for you.

00:05:02.660 This is math.

00:05:04.360 We've been taking in more revenues in this country with the exception of a year or two when we had the Great Recession.

00:05:10.320 We take in more money every month, every month.

00:05:13.900 It's crazy.

00:05:14.780 It's not about getting more money out of the rich or out of the corporations.

00:05:19.580 It's about spending it more wisely.

00:05:22.420 And we have no ability to do so, apparently, and certainly no will.

00:05:26.880 And why would there be?

00:05:29.100 If you're a politician and the amount of money that you spend is going to get you more votes

00:05:33.460 and it's not your money, then who cares?

00:05:36.780 We've got to do something to change that.

00:05:38.600 We have to find something in the Constitution that will allow us to provide for some—or we need a constitutional amendment to provide for some kind of real limits on how much we spend, period.

00:05:51.200 But they've been trying it for years.

00:05:52.840 They tried balanced budget amendments.

00:05:54.780 They tried grand remand-haulings.

00:05:57.700 The deficit and the debt just keeps growing and growing and growing.

00:06:00.980 I shouldn't say the deficit because we've had some shrinkage in the deficit thanks to the tariffs in the last few months, and that's great.

00:06:06.080 But our debt just keeps growing and growing and growing.

00:06:11.700 Now, I want to stay on the news business just for a second, because those of you who listen to me on this program and the many other programs I do know that I really, really, really have a problem with bad journalism.

00:06:24.300 And it's not just because of the partisanship.

00:06:26.600 And it's not just because of the bias.

00:06:28.640 I'm talking about just doing a bad job because this is a business.

00:06:32.640 Hello, I'm trying to get your attention.

00:06:35.380 And so is everybody else in the news media, or at least they're supposed to be.

00:06:39.140 I become more and more convinced every day that there are people, especially at the mainstream media outlets, who have no interest in growing their audience.

00:06:47.220 They just have a partisan bent.

00:06:51.200 And they're not interested, and they don't seem to understand that this is a business.

00:06:54.900 At some point, even the corporations that own some of the mainstream media outlets who use those mainstream media outlets as a loss leader to promote lobbying efforts.

00:07:05.340 In other words, if you're Comcast and you own all the NBC properties, you use CNBC and you use NBC Nightly News to promote the messages that the bureaucrats that you have to deal with at Comcast, and there are quite a few, want to hear.

00:07:19.100 Comcast makes its money on broadband.

00:07:20.900 You know how easily a bureaucrat in D.C. can screw with a broadband program with all the land rights you need and the technical licenses?

00:07:30.020 They can really screw with that. 0.96

00:07:31.320 And Comcast NBC isn't stupid. 0.98

00:07:32.920 They know that.

00:07:34.060 And they've been using CNBC and NBC Nightly News and MSNOW.

00:07:37.740 And I know they spun off CNBC and MSNOW.

00:07:39.980 Whatever.

00:07:40.400 You can believe that if you want.

00:07:41.600 When a company spins some things off, they still have tremendous influence, even though it's an independently traded stock.

00:07:46.520 I can tell you a lot of examples of that another time.

00:07:49.000 but they use these outlets and have used them for years as a de facto lobbying effort and even

00:07:54.760 though they lose money on them a lot of the time they don't necessarily lose money on CNBC but

00:07:58.880 even though they do lose money or don't make that much money on it they save themselves maybe

00:08:03.400 billions in lobbying so whatever fine that's what they use it for that's why I think they don't

00:08:07.780 really care about this but my biggest example is what we're dealing with right now with this

00:08:13.260 incredible revelation we got from dni tulsi gabbard in the last couple days showing that that

00:08:20.200 2019 impeachment process against president trump was made up out of whole cloth as many of us

00:08:25.680 suspected and some people like at the federalist immediately blew the whistle on and that's great

00:08:30.300 but now we have the documents to prove that the so-called whistleblower was completely lying

00:08:35.320 almost tried to recant the lie etc etc but they still they just completely

00:08:41.500 you know basically cannot contrive this from the beginning got it all the way through now

00:08:47.460 you're not hearing about any of this in the mainstream media they've completely ignored

00:08:50.960 the story that's bad business even if you're ms now and you know all your viewers are lefty trump

00:08:57.360 haters even if you're the other mainstream media outlets where most of you think most of your

00:09:01.500 viewers are trump haters that doesn't matter it's a fascinating clickable story it's a lot

00:09:07.180 more interesting than the accusations in the first term, first impeachment thing. I mean,

00:09:12.960 it was so contrived. President Trump made a phone call and he made a comment about helping him his

00:09:16.860 election, which was clearly just a comment, never actually talked about. I mean, it was such a

00:09:20.980 contrived thing. It wasn't a sex scandal. It wasn't a murder. It wasn't a big cover up. I mean, that

00:09:26.700 was the that was their choice for the big thing that would get people outraged. People walking

00:09:29.980 down the street saying, President Trump said something on the phone. I'm really upset. How

00:09:34.240 how silly was that? That story wasn't interesting, actually. The impeachment process was, but the 0.91

00:09:39.180 whole scandal wasn't. But this is interesting. And even if you are trying to serve up the kinds

00:09:46.840 of things that the Trump haters want to hear, you could still do this story. You could do it. Hey,

00:09:50.560 look what Gabbard's doing. She's trying to say that whole thing wasn't true. We think it was.

00:09:54.700 And just pound the table about it. It's a clickable story. It's a watchable story. This

00:09:58.980 is a major scandal one way or the other. It's either a scandal because of what I believe is

00:10:03.240 The truth is that it was absolutely connived from the beginning, a contrivance from the beginning.

00:10:08.380 Or it's a scandal that the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, has released documents that make it seem like it.

00:10:14.380 Either way, it's a really cool story, one that would get you some more clicks, one that would get you higher ratings.

00:10:19.420 But no, let's talk about the Pope.

00:10:22.280 And I got to tell you, I don't think most Americans give a darn about what the Pope has to say ever.

00:10:28.700 I mean, I've lived in this country my whole life.

00:10:31.880 I'm 55 years old.

00:10:33.240 And the lack of interest in what the Pope says has precipitously gotten larger over my lifetime.

00:10:39.320 I remember when I was eight years old and the two Popes died back to back, Paul VI and then John Paul I, they preempted all broadcasts on all TV.

00:10:47.660 Like that was the end of cartoons for days.

00:10:50.040 They would never do that now.

00:10:51.440 They would do it maybe on CNN for a second, but they would never.

00:10:54.020 I mean, the interest in the Pope is minimal these days, but that's they think they think that's a big story.

00:10:59.240 I mean, I never good luck with that.

00:11:01.620 It's not.

00:11:02.520 It's just not.

00:11:03.240 um this is a huge story that people should be talking about that is very clickable you had 0.92

00:11:11.440 a contrived plot against donald trump for the dumbest thing in the world too like i mean even

00:11:16.460 if it was some kind of law that he broke by saying you should help me with my election without him 0.97

00:11:20.620 actually saying hey i want you to say this that and the other thing a hundred times you know he

00:11:24.460 said it well i mean it was obviously just like a corner of his mouth kind of comment

00:11:27.860 that that's the big scandal it's not like watergate covering up a burglary of your

00:11:34.120 opponent's headquarters it's not like a sex scandal it's not like the president murdered

00:11:38.820 someone and and he's trying to cover i mean honestly it was such a flimsy thing in the

00:11:42.640 beginning but that's what they went with and they gummied up the country at a crucial time 2019 we

00:11:49.820 all know what was going on towards the end of 2019 going into 2020 which was the whole covet thing

00:11:55.900 and it was just sad sad to see and now we see that it was absolutely it shouldn't have gone 0.81

00:12:03.740 anywhere so there you go that's a clickable story if you're a crazy trump hater then you're

00:12:09.980 interested in the fact that go that get you that maybe you want to accuse gabbard of bringing up

00:12:13.740 these documents either out of context or making them up either way huge story no coverage in the

00:12:19.060 mainstream media because they're not interested in viewership they're not really interested in

00:12:23.400 making money. So if you're a shareholder of Comcast NBC, if you're a shareholder of Warner

00:12:28.080 Brothers Discovery, if you're a shareholder at Paramount Skydance, maybe you went at the next

00:12:33.100 shareholders meeting saying, can we just cut these TV stations loose? They don't make as much money.

00:12:37.440 They don't really make money. They don't want to. And their lobbying value is diminishing by the day

00:12:42.140 anyway. Have a nice day. All right. I'm Jake Novak filling in for Roger Stone in the Stone

00:12:46.420 Zone. By the way, in the second half hour of this program, I want to hear what you have to say about

00:12:50.300 all this and many more 800-848-9222 is the number going to get to your calls the next half hour but

00:12:57.320 i got it want to get into this swalwell thing when we come back this is the stone zone with

00:13:03.920 roger stone he likes politics and he's a professional at the highest level roger stone

00:13:20.300 this is the stone zone with roger stone roger stone who's a very very one of the smartest

00:13:35.780 political minds roger stone was persecuted people forget he's actually a brilliant brilliant

00:13:40.560 political analyst now get him his own it's the stone zone here's roger stone as always we're

00:13:48.840 live tonight it's 8 23 p.m east coast time i'm jake novak filling in for roger stone

00:13:54.060 love the opportunity to be able to speak with you in the next half hour i want to start taking

00:13:58.380 some calls the number is 800-848-9222 uh this eric swalwell thing you know there's altogether

00:14:06.600 too much self-promotion in radio by the way there has to be some self-promotion as the first rabbi

00:14:12.860 said hillel if i am not for myself who will be for me but if i'm only for myself then what am i

00:14:18.000 Got to do a little bit, so I'm going to stop short of full-time crazy self-promotion, but I will say this on this Eric Swalwell matter.

00:14:25.200 About four or five weeks ago on my own regular program, which is heard on the flagship station WABC here in New York, many of you here at other stations, about four or five weeks ago, I think it was four or five weeks ago, I reported a story, probably was the only broadcast person to report this story.

00:14:41.400 I reported the story that the Democrats were pulling a big money cash chest together to try to get some Democrats to drop out of the California gubernatorial race because they were losing in most of the polls.

00:14:54.080 They weren't going to get even one candidate in the general election in November, and they were freaking out and panicking, as they should, because they have something called a jungle primary in California where the top two finishers go to the general election.

00:15:06.800 And if they're both Republicans, that's the way it goes.

00:15:09.220 Sorry, Democrats.

00:15:10.040 And if they're both Democrats, as it usually is, sorry, Republicans.

00:15:13.580 And in most of the polls, two Republicans kept polling ahead of everybody else.

00:15:17.540 Swalwell, Eric Swalwell, was the top Democrat in all the polls coming in third.

00:15:22.200 Now, that's me tooting my own horn.

00:15:24.140 I was the first to say this on radio or TV.

00:15:27.540 Here's where I admit I screwed up.

00:15:30.600 I naturally assumed that that money would be used to pay off some of the bottom feeders in the poll.

00:15:35.840 Hey, dude, get out.

00:15:37.440 Anthony Villaregoza, get out.

00:15:39.040 Here's $10 million to your foundation,

00:15:41.940 whatever they were going to do. 0.99

00:15:44.560 And what a fool I was. 0.99

00:15:46.460 Instead, they clearly spent the money 0.99

00:15:48.840 in ginning up this media campaign against Eric Swalwell.

00:15:52.320 Now, that doesn't mean, don't read into what I was saying.

00:15:54.960 That doesn't mean I think the accusations are untrue.

00:15:57.200 I think they're probably mostly true.

00:15:58.920 But I don't know.

00:16:00.060 And anyone who pretends to know

00:16:01.140 other than the actual actors in this whole thing,

00:16:03.140 it doesn't know what they're talking about i don't know i don't know who's telling the truth here

00:16:07.500 again gun to my head i'd say yeah i think so but i would never vote that way if i were on a jury

00:16:12.700 because i don't know enough but here's what i do know from my decades in television news and

00:16:17.980 regular tv news this was a coordinated effort it cost a lot of money you got to fly the accusers

00:16:23.980 from point a to point b you got to get your law firms involved making sure that every accusation

00:16:28.840 is covered so that no one gets in trouble there's none of this is cheap by the way you got to get

00:16:32.480 your PR firms involved. You got to get Nancy Pelosi's polygrip fund going so that her teeth

00:16:38.500 don't fall out when she talks about it on the air. My God, what is a multi-million, almost

00:16:42.300 billionaire doing with freaking bad dentures, by the way? That is a mental illness. By the way, 1.00

00:16:47.120 whenever you see really wealthy people, I would never make fun of a poor or lower middle class

00:16:50.420 person with bad teeth. Don't get me wrong. But when you see really rich people with bad teeth,

00:16:54.200 which I see regularly, it is a red flag mental illness. This person is either a control freak 0.61

00:16:58.920 or something else is going on that that's i'm sorry sidebar but let me get back to this with

00:17:03.200 this is a coordinated effort that's where the money went democrat donors

00:17:06.740 the money went for this coordinated effort it was very well coordinated oh and don't forget

00:17:12.940 whatever money they spent on the san francisco chronicle i'm not saying that they bribed the

00:17:16.740 reporters but i'm saying they took them out to lunch i'm saying they make sure they got they

00:17:20.860 made sure they got all the stuff it was probably written out for them in nice easy bullet points

00:17:25.460 that they could cut and paste i know how this works don't even try to pretend that that isn't

00:17:30.960 what happened i know how this business works we get spoon-fed stuff in this business and it's hard

00:17:35.300 to say no to it sometimes especially at the local level don't please and for those of you are going

00:17:41.720 to call and say i think it was all organic understand who you're talking to now i don't

00:17:46.260 know everything but i know how these things go because i've been on the receiving end of this

00:17:49.520 kind of stuff since my first day in local news. I started in local news in December of 1994 at

00:17:55.500 WVII in Bangor, Maine. And the first thing I had to deal with was something from the insurance

00:18:00.140 company that was sending us these great videos about how you should buy insurance for your dog.

00:18:05.820 And it was completely produced. And I had to resist the effort to just run that without any

00:18:11.320 of my own input. All right. I'm Jake Novak in for Roger Stone. We're going to get to your calls.

00:18:15.280 We're going to talk about some of the stuff going on in Iran when we come back.

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00:19:27.640 Roger Stone. Where's Roger Stone?

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00:19:32.280 And I'm Jake Novak, filling in for Roger Stone this evening.

00:19:36.260 You know, I love independent thinkers.

00:19:39.560 And I got a feeling that our first caller here, I want people to call in.

00:19:43.340 800-848-9222 as we talk about some of these issues because gail in pennsylvania i think

00:19:50.940 she's got her finger on something uh as a good independent thinker gail thank you for joining us

00:19:55.740 hi hi good evening jake yes i think that the legacy media is monopolistic there used to be 52

00:20:04.380 media international companies there are now only six and because i asked myself why why would they

00:20:12.840 be promoting the democrat party spin all the time well i think the answer is they want their

00:20:19.480 democrat cronies who they sponsor to put on more taxes and regulations which why would a business

00:20:26.280 want that well they want to put out their small business competition that's right it's called

00:20:30.460 regulatory capture you're exactly right uh i was right gail you are an independent thinker

00:20:36.620 and by the way you know what i like about another thing i like about what you had to say

00:20:42.300 It wasn't a conspiracy theory.

00:20:44.000 You know why I don't like conspiracy theories?

00:20:45.580 Not because I think they're crazy.

00:20:47.260 Not because I think they're all wrong.

00:20:50.200 It's because they're so pessimistic.

00:20:53.400 Most conspiracy theories, there's really nothing you can do about it.

00:20:56.840 There's nothing you or I can do about it.

00:20:58.440 This is something that we can do about.

00:21:00.040 Let's do something about.

00:21:01.100 Now, Gail, we've had a tremendous reversal in this country from the beginnings of broadcast media

00:21:08.160 when the government was much more vigilant about breaking up monopolies.

00:21:14.340 The government has done it before.

00:21:16.480 They did it many years ago with NBC.

00:21:20.480 NBC was the dominant radio station national network in this country.

00:21:24.700 It was so dominant and so popular, they had to build two channels,

00:21:28.560 NBC Blue and NBC Red.

00:21:30.500 There might be one person listening who remembers this.

00:21:32.480 I'm only 55.

00:21:33.480 I don't personally remember this, but I've researched it.

00:21:35.600 and the government was like so at that point it was just so obvious like oh my god we got to break

00:21:41.260 this up nbc red became abc because it was broken up by the by the government here's what's the

00:21:48.560 funny thing about monopolies because a lot of people think well these monopolistic countries

00:21:53.300 companies don't want to be broken up because they'll lose money wrong and if you are a shareholder

00:21:58.920 in a company that's a monopoly that gets broken up you make a lot of money what they don't the

00:22:04.120 reason why they don't want their monopolies broken up is because they lose power they don't

00:22:08.740 have as much influence and if you're a media company you love influence and what gail was

00:22:13.140 describing was something else also regulatory capture they can create a situation where they

00:22:18.760 lobby the government for all these licenses you need by the way something like that is happening

00:22:22.260 in boston right now not in broadcast but with food delivery boston is now imposing on everybody but

00:22:29.120 Amazon. Amazon doesn't. Everybody who does deliveries for food in Boston has to pay for

00:22:36.260 a delivery license. And if you don't, you get like a big fine every time they catch you without

00:22:42.600 the license. That's what a big company lobbies for rules and regulations that they can afford,

00:22:47.780 but their smaller competitors can't afford. And these tech companies are so relatively new. A lot

00:22:53.440 of them are only in their 20 or 25 year period. They know how small they used to be. They know

00:22:58.360 how a small company can disrupt. Look what they did to the big computer companies and look what

00:23:06.120 the digital film did to Kodak. I mean, you know, they know very well what a small company can do

00:23:11.180 to them. And the same thing with the news media. The news media is incredibly monopolistic. There

00:23:16.080 are so many obvious breaking up. Listen, I'm not a big government guy, but antitrust stuff is

00:23:24.000 important because it really hurts an economy and it really hurts a society and if you think the

00:23:29.320 media is bad have you checked out hospitals lately the hospital industry which isn't it like they do

00:23:34.820 anything important you know all they do is save our lives hospitals have consolidated in this

00:23:39.920 country more than even the media has and even more than banks since the mid-90s but we allow

00:23:44.460 them to monopoly you know to consolidate they buy up private practices they merge with each other

00:23:49.240 it's guess what it's made health care more expensive and worse quality other than that

00:23:55.180 mrs lincoln how's the show all right sandra in new jersey you want to talk about swallow well

00:24:02.080 what do you got for me hi jake i wanted to ask you a question sure when i hear the word choke

00:24:09.100 he choked his victim to me when you want to choke someone that means you want to kill them i don't

00:24:14.780 know if he wanted to do that i think he wanted to have sex so what he put in the drink makes sense

00:24:22.200 he wanted her to cooperate so why would he go to that extent to choke her when he was she was under

00:24:28.380 the influence of the drug so you don't have to choke her because she's going to cooperate

00:24:33.520 sandra bless your heart i don't this is not the dr ruth west timer show um but there is a uh how

00:24:43.180 am i going to say this in a pg pg 13 way there is a oh my god how am i going to say this there is a

00:24:49.460 way of achieving sexual gratification via choking you got to be really careful with it there's been

00:24:54.260 instances of people who've gone too far uh need i say more um yeah sorry about that sandra uh but

00:25:00.800 bless your heart for not knowing all those details you're you're good uh that's not my thing by the

00:25:06.060 way anyone listening mom and dad i but that but i do know enough about that kind of stuff uh what

00:25:11.040 can I say hey Jeff in Manhattan you want to talk about Ro Khanna oh man let me just take a deep 0.98

00:25:16.260 breath because he he irritates me go ahead Jeff um I hope you hear me right I hear you hear me

00:25:23.260 I hear you Jeff okay yeah this guy Ro Khanna has been leading the charge about the so-called people

00:25:29.020 that you know even tangentially were involved with Epstein and have them lose their careers

00:25:34.000 And he's from Northern California, very close to Wewell's district. 0.99

00:25:39.420 So he can't be that stupid that he didn't know what's going on, especially since everybody says it's an open secret. 0.98

00:25:45.700 So how come he's been leading that charge against Epstein people with not saying a word about Swalwell, 1.00

00:25:51.620 a guy's biggest hypocrite, most ambitious guy in the world? 0.83

00:25:55.320 And one other thing real quick. 0.99

00:25:56.540 Sure.

00:25:56.940 I heard that he made on his stocks over 100%.

00:26:02.480 Now, that's virtually impossible.

00:26:04.820 And maybe if he did it, he probably could have, maybe if he's really smart and spent a lot of time on it, maybe done that.

00:26:12.040 So I want to know, if he was spending all his time on the stocks to make the 100%, was he not serving his constituents?

00:26:19.280 And if he was doing other things, there's no way he legitimately made 100%.

00:26:23.660 But the main thing is, why you shut his big mouth about Swallow when he was barking about Epstein?

00:26:29.820 All right. Jeff, let me talk about the first thing first, because that was really an astute. Here's there's a very simple answer to your question. Why somebody like Ro Khanna, who apparently seems to be so worried about the Epstein victims, was clearly turning a blind eye to the swalwell? Here's the answer. They don't care.

00:26:48.540 You know, every once in a while, Jeff, I meet a true liberal, someone who actually really does care for the environment, a true feminist.

00:26:56.720 But 90 percent of the people who call themselves environmentalists, call themselves feminists, call themselves liberals are just people who hate the other side.

00:27:05.580 They don't actually care about the environment. 0.93

00:27:07.560 They just hate white Republican men and oil companies.

00:27:10.620 If an oil company tomorrow came up with the solution with a completely renewable fuel that would never pollute anything, they would still hate it.

00:27:20.120 They wouldn't want it because they don't care about the environment.

00:27:22.420 They just hate. 1.00

00:27:23.560 They don't care about women's rights.

00:27:25.360 If they did, you know, and one of the people who's guilty of this was the great Gloria Steinem at Ms. Magazine who refused to publish stuff in Ms. about the way that women in the Arab world are abused because – and wouldn't do any depictions of all the women politicians in Israel because she thought it would offend these – she didn't care about women's rights.

00:27:44.600 At the end of the day, she didn't.

00:27:46.060 Did she in the beginning?

00:27:47.460 Sure.

00:27:48.080 But at the end of the day, she was just another partisan hack.

00:27:51.720 And the same thing with Ro Khanna doesn't care about these victims.

00:27:55.360 He doesn't care about Epstein's victims.

00:27:57.620 He doesn't care about Swalwell's victims. 1.00

00:27:59.580 They're just fighting this partisan war, and these people are pathetic and dangerous. 0.99

00:28:05.600 And they don't believe in anything, and that's really dangerous. 0.99

00:28:09.840 I will take a radically religious person in Congress any day if they truly are a religious person.

00:28:16.060 At least I know what they believe in.

00:28:17.920 These people believe in nothing.

00:28:20.080 They believe in nothing, which, by the way, is sad because the established religions in the world,

00:28:24.300 Most of them have good food and good music.

00:28:26.280 I don't get either of those things from politics.

00:28:28.720 At least I get a good meal.

00:28:30.900 I mean, come on.

00:28:32.700 They don't care, and that's the issue.

00:28:34.960 That's always been the issue, and it's really rough.

00:28:38.700 And it's one of those things where I don't mind if someone has a disagreement with me,

00:28:42.400 but I can see they truly believe in a particular cause.

00:28:45.960 And if I don't like the cause, at least I can say, well, at least they're a believer in something.

00:28:50.520 They're not just going to manipulate.

00:28:51.480 at least people will burn the country down to gain one inch against the people they perceive

00:28:56.720 as their enemies. It is so frustrating. We don't have a quorum in this country of key politicians

00:29:04.620 who are willing to say, I want what's best for the country. And if that means that Trump gets

00:29:11.360 some bonus points for winning a war in Iran, or if the Democrats get something, then great.

00:29:17.740 We don't have a quorum, even, let alone a majority of our elected leaders who think that way.

00:29:23.420 And that is scary as AF, as they say.

00:29:27.340 Steve in New Jersey, you want to talk about the Pope and Trump?

00:29:31.600 Hey, Jake. Yeah, look, full disclosure, I'm nine years older than you, and I'm a Roman Catholic.

00:29:37.540 Having said that, I have no problem with what you said about the Pope, with one exception.

00:29:42.580 There's been one pope in my life who really made a difference, who I saw him bringing people back to the church, 80s, 90s, John Paul II.

00:29:50.780 Absolutely. 0.99

00:29:51.500 And here's the difference between him and this jerk that's there now and the last jerk. 0.99

00:29:57.100 John Paul II got on the side with Reagan and Thatcher because of the issue of good versus evil. 0.99

00:30:03.100 See, that's the religious tenet of the faith, standing on the side of good and recognizing evil.

00:30:09.160 All right. We don't know what John Paul's politics were other than that. These two guys, they get on the road. You follow? They're getting into the political realm and they're wrong. And by the way, they're on the wrong side.

00:30:20.540 Yeah. 0.89

00:30:20.860 The evil here, the evil here is Iran and they're coming after Trump. 1.00

00:30:25.120 Exactly right. Exactly right. Listen, as a Jew, I don't want to go too far in my criticisms of the of the pope. 1.00

00:30:30.840 But I can tell you that, first of all, John Paul II and my father met on a number of occasions, Benedict the, was it the 16th or the 15th? I don't want to get that wrong, but Benedict who also, John Paul II was a victim of the anti-religious secularism of the Soviet Union and understood that communism and religion could never exist together, and so he was a big opponent of the Soviet Union.

00:30:56.620 He was also someone who witnessed firsthand the Holocaust.

00:31:00.220 His best friend in the world was a Jewish man who survived the Holocaust,

00:31:04.840 and the pope actually had him living in Vatican City, had an apartment.

00:31:09.060 The pope actually apparently spoke Yiddish pretty well, Pope John Paul II.

00:31:13.660 My point about the pope, though, is not necessarily because of the politics.

00:31:17.560 That would be one thing.

00:31:18.200 It's just that there's so little interest in the popes personally.

00:31:21.780 Pope Francis, love him or hate him, was the most inconsequential pope of my lifetime.

00:31:27.640 And I remember Paul VI, who almost no one remembers.

00:31:30.780 Paul VI, because he came out against the pill, you know, oral contraception, people remembered that.

00:31:37.620 That was a big issue, and people were really into it at the time.

00:31:41.480 Pope Francis was an absolute non-entity, and that's exactly the opposite of what the College of Cardinals thought they were going to get from him.

00:31:47.660 They thought they were going to get this media darling who everyone was interested in.

00:31:50.620 He barely got any attention from the media one way or the other, good or bad.

00:31:54.960 Now, this guy, they choose an American.

00:31:56.660 You think an American pope, this guy is going to get a lot of attention from the still America dominated media.

00:32:02.080 Well, now he's sort of getting it, but I promise you they'll forget tomorrow. 0.95

00:32:06.260 The news media is filled with religious ignoramuses who know nothing of religion. 0.96

00:32:11.520 They also don't know math. 0.99

00:32:12.440 We've already hit them on their lack of religion.

00:32:14.420 They also don't know religion.

00:32:15.480 I talked about math.

00:32:16.160 I talked about that at the beginning of the program. 0.99

00:32:18.160 These people are religious ignoramuses. 0.98

00:32:19.800 they know nothing of the church, they know nothing of the Bible, they know nothing of 0.99

00:32:24.500 canon law, the catechism, the Talmud, they know nothing. And they're covering this stuff. I mean,

00:32:31.920 not the ones who are on the beat of the bat. I'm not talking about those people. Those people know

00:32:34.780 something. But the mainstream media executive producers here in New York, mostly, they don't

00:32:39.500 know jack about any religion, including Judaism. They know nothing. I work with them, and I know,

00:32:45.200 believe me. I'm not going to name them. I'm not going to say I'm a great genius,

00:32:49.380 but they know nothing. You know, a lot of the executive producers in this town are Jewish. If 0.99

00:32:54.700 I put a Hebrew prayer book in front of them, they couldn't read it. If I put a Talmud in front of

00:32:58.760 them, they wouldn't even know what it is. By the way, the Talmud is a 13 volume long thing.

00:33:05.600 It's an Aramaic. It has no punctuation. I studied it as a, you know, starting in my middle school

00:33:10.720 years. It's a bear. It's a bear. But it's, by the way, basically how we live our lives as Jews

00:33:16.960 comes from the discussions there. None of them know anything. And they certainly don't know

00:33:23.220 anything about the Pope. They know nothing. But they're going to try to make him a hero now.

00:33:30.040 All right. We're going to be back with more of your calls when we come back.

00:33:32.360 I'm Jake Novak in for the Roger Stone Zone. Hope you're enjoying the program.

00:33:36.520 This is the Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:33:41.040 And he's a great, great person, Roger Stone.

00:33:44.800 The Stone Zone.

00:33:46.580 This is The Stone Zone with Roger Stone.

00:34:09.460 Roger Stone, who's a very, very, one of the smartest political minds.

00:34:13.580 Roger Stone was persecuted.

00:34:14.820 People forget he's actually a brilliant, brilliant political analyst.

00:34:17.880 Now, get him a zone.

00:34:19.720 It's the Stone Zone.

00:34:21.800 Here's Roger Stone.

00:34:23.840 And I'm Jake Novak filling in for Roger Stone.

00:34:25.820 Got a few minutes left.

00:34:26.780 I had promised a little bit of an update on the Iran situation.

00:34:29.920 Blockade's still in effect, but we're seeing in the last hour or so some explosions going off in Iran.

00:34:34.940 And, of course, the U.S. and Israel have stopped bombing.

00:34:37.900 So this would obviously be perhaps resistance groups getting going there.

00:34:44.680 Hopefully that's what's happening.

00:34:46.720 I'm certainly rooting for the free Iranian people to try to become free.

00:34:51.180 We'll keep a good eye on that.

00:34:52.600 I promise you I'm taking this with a grain of salt.

00:34:55.180 I know it's most likely not necessarily the big uprising just yet, but when you're hoping for something, you at least report on it.

00:35:02.740 And as a responsible journalist, I just want to let you know that that's been happening in the last hour or so.

00:35:07.320 So let's hope that leads to something good there.

00:35:11.340 What can I tell you?

00:35:13.160 Also want to tell you about a couple of other things we have here in New York City, this

00:35:18.980 incredible lesson about socialism and how it doesn't work.

00:35:22.320 And I was very humbled in 2016, 2015, going into 2016, because I, at that point, had spent

00:35:30.160 about 10 good years in my career making these kinds of explanations, doing it on Fox and

00:35:35.140 on CNBC, shows that I was running, letting people understand why socialism doesn't work,

00:35:41.020 trying to explain these basic economic things, trying to remind people that capitalism has

00:35:46.000 ended so much poverty in the world more than almost anything, more than, more than anything

00:35:50.880 else, not even almost anything. And I thought I was getting through to something. And then,

00:35:54.600 you know, as the election moved on that year, I saw that Donald Trump was, was going to win

00:36:00.440 and the, and if the, and if the Democrats had been fair in their primaries, it would have been

00:36:04.420 bernie sanders coming in second and i realized no one's listening to me and not because donald

00:36:08.460 trump's a socialist but that wasn't any of his real message really he talked about it a little

00:36:12.600 bit but he was talking about the borders he was talking about our competition with other countries

00:36:17.020 of course was a very pro-capitalist message but you know i was humbled i realized you know what

00:36:21.960 my message as good as i think it is as far as on an intellectual level it's a good thing i'm not

00:36:28.020 running for office and uh you know when i'm i don't know if this is true for you guys listening

00:36:32.680 out there. But when I'm personally humbled that way, my best work comes next. And when I got

00:36:37.700 humbled by that and I saw how well Trump was doing in May of 2016, I wrote the editorial.

00:36:44.720 I was a senior editorial columnist at CNBC at the same time that I was running Larry Kudlow's show.

00:36:49.660 And I wrote the editorial saying that Trump was going to win. I realized at that point he was

00:36:53.900 going to win the election. And I explained why at that point no one was giving him a chance.

00:36:57.760 We published it, I think, on the first day of June, even though I wrote it a few days before that.

00:37:01.340 and I spent the rest of that year

00:37:03.240 leading up to the election

00:37:04.260 being pressured by the bosses

00:37:06.060 at CNBC to like retract it.

00:37:07.480 They thought it would be

00:37:07.920 really, really good

00:37:08.780 if somebody who had really

00:37:10.160 written something

00:37:10.660 saying he was going to win

00:37:11.440 say, oh, I was wrong.

00:37:12.900 I realize now he's going to lose

00:37:13.920 and I just said, no,

00:37:14.460 he's going to win.

00:37:16.420 And by the way,

00:37:17.320 that was the beginning

00:37:17.980 of the end for me at CNBC.

00:37:20.900 Having someone who was,

00:37:22.240 you know, a reasoned, educated

00:37:24.060 and I'm not a genius.

00:37:25.540 I'm not a PhD.

00:37:26.500 By the way, I have that in my family

00:37:28.200 so I know what a real genius is

00:37:29.660 and I know what a real PhD is.

00:37:31.180 I'm neither. But having someone who's relatively well-educated, well-reasoned, not a yeller,

00:37:37.980 being someone who was explaining why Trump was going to win and explaining some of the policies

00:37:41.680 was much more dangerous than the biggest MAGA person going to 100 rallies on the staff. You

00:37:46.240 understand why. They kept me around for a little while after that, but the writing was on the wall.

00:37:53.540 Anyway, my point is I was humbled, though. I was humbled by the fact that I didn't see Trump

00:37:57.720 coming. I was humbled by the fact that he was already running for a few months before I realized

00:38:01.480 he was going to win. And when that happened, when I had that moment of clarity, I had some of my

00:38:07.880 best work. So listen, I get humbled all the time in the work that I do. That's why I'm on record.

00:38:17.440 Anyone can say, Jake, you said this a few months ago. You were really wrong. And if I can find out

00:38:22.260 why I was wrong, which I usually can do, it's easier to find out why you were wrong than making

00:38:27.480 the mistake than avoiding the mistake in the first place, right? That happens. Then I can

00:38:31.920 really learn from it, and that's a great way to go. It's a great way to go. So, folks, it's quite

00:38:39.020 impressive. I don't know if you heard one of the great all-time radio moments a few minutes ago on

00:38:43.860 this program when we had a woman call in and, bless her heart, wanted to know why Eric Swalwell

00:38:48.760 would bother choking his victims when he already drugged them. And I had to try to explain in a PG

00:38:54.780 version that some people find that's kind of a sexual move not mine i'm not personally into

00:39:00.980 that please don't choke me um but anyway that's the answer to that question that was a delicate

00:39:06.260 moment for us here this is a family program but uh honestly good for her for that kind of nice

00:39:13.540 you know that's a good kind of naivety to have in this day and age you're also jaded we're also

00:39:19.940 jaded in this world. I feel better about a lot of things. I also feel better that I didn't

00:39:25.660 actually have to explain all the little details about all that. I'm Jake Novak. I was filling

00:39:30.420 in for Roger Stone this evening. I took that call. I'll take more another time. Have a great evening.

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