Casey Means is a physician and health policy advocate with close ties to HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as his new surgeon general. She has been widely praised, drawing acclaim from conservative politicians like Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan.
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00:01:33.600President Donald Trump has nominated Dr. Casey Means, a physician and health policy advocate
00:01:41.120with close ties to HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as his Surgeon General.
00:01:48.280I'm very excited about this nomination.
00:01:50.840I actually think from a political point of view, Casey Means and her brother Kelly Means played key roles
00:02:00.780in the, I would say, realignment of American politics.
00:02:07.520Their advocacy for Donald Trump, after being earlier supporters of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., helped build this realignment that brought millions of Democrats and independents and younger voters into the Trump fold.
00:02:21.900On true social yesterday, President Trump said,
00:02:25.160I'm pleased to announce that Dr. Casey Means will be nominated as our next Surgeon General of the United States.
00:02:33.140Casey has impeccable MAHA, that means Make America Healthy Again, credentials,
00:02:39.240and will work closely with our wonderful Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
00:02:46.060to ensure a successful implementation of our agenda in order to reverse the chronic disease epidemic in this country
00:02:54.460and ensure great health in the future for all Americans.
00:02:58.940Her academic achievements, together with her life's work, are absolutely outstanding.
00:03:04.640Dr. Casey Means has the potential to be one of the finest Surgeon Generals in U.S. history.
00:15:48.940We were talking about the fact that President Donald Trump announced that he was withdrawing the nomination of Ed Martin as the acting U.S. attorney in D.C.
00:15:57.880Ed Martin's appointment struck fear in the hearts of the establishment.
00:16:02.340Because, well, what if he dug into the Russian collusion hoax, the greatest single dirty trick and abuse of power in American political history,
00:16:11.860in which the full power and authority of the U.S.
00:16:14.000And the full power and authority of the U.S. government was used utilizing two pieces of fraudulent evidence, the so-called Steele dossier, and the false claim that the Russians hacked the DNC as the pretext to try to overturn the election of a duly elected president?
00:16:35.320This is something which Vice President Joe Biden, as well as President Barack Obama, FBI Director James Comey, CIA Director John Brennan, National Security Advisor Susan Rice, Deputy FBI Director McCabe, Andrew McCabe, all of these people desperately fear being held accountable.
00:16:57.600And I think they were afraid that Ed Martin might hold them accountable.
00:17:01.780I'd love to see Judge Jeanine Pirro in that job.
00:17:05.740It's only reported that she's being considered.
00:17:08.020It hasn't been reported that she's been offered the job or that she would accept it.
00:17:11.860But I must tell you, she would be really great.
00:17:15.640Again, I say Senator Tom Tillis, a sole Republican come out against Martin, has now painted a political bullseye on his back.
00:17:24.140It is reported that he actually said in one of these meetings that Ashley Babbitt, she was the unarmed Air Force veteran shot and killed in cold blood without warning while menacing no one.
00:17:42.380If that's true, then he deserves a Republican primary back in North Carolina.
00:17:47.680It is vitally important that a president demonstrate fairly early that you will not allow members of your own party to betray you.
00:17:57.240And if the president does not foster a primary against Tillis in North Carolina, well, then it will be a signal to other rhinos in the Senate that they can vote against the president's key initiatives and appointees with immunity.
00:18:14.720And that is dangerous for any president, particularly a president early in his term.
00:18:21.020Now, as we told you yesterday, President Trump made it clear that he has really no thoughts of running again in 2028.
00:18:27.680That's largely been trolling, although sure would be popular in the Republican Party.
00:18:32.740But I do think he has to lay down the law in the grand old party.
00:18:37.620Coming up next, Callie Means, his sister, was just appointed Surgeon General of the United States.
00:18:44.960I think this is a great, great appointment.
00:18:47.760Callie Means was one of the key players in building the coalition, the realignment that elected Donald Trump that brought millions of Democrats and independents and Kennedy supporters into the Trump fold.
00:19:01.320We're going to talk about both the politics and the policy of this important appointment with Callie Means when we come back.
00:19:09.780This, I think, is a very timely interview.
00:19:13.420There are some online who seem to be criticizing this appointment of Dr. Casey Means as a Surgeon General.
00:19:20.940We're going to talk about what their motives might be and maybe who's put them up to it.
00:19:25.920We'll be right back with Callie Means.
00:19:28.660It's week two of Canadian Tire's early Black Friday sale.
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00:20:03.580He is the co-author with his sister, Dr. Casey Means, who was announced today by President Donald Trump as the next Surgeon General of the United States of a terrific book.
00:20:15.080It is called Good Energy, the surprising connection between metabolism and limitless health.
00:20:24.360Almost two years ago, Trump campaign manager, now White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles gave me this book, and I read it with enthusiasm.
00:20:34.280It changed the way I eat and the way I live.
00:20:37.360It's had a profound effect on me, and then I got to know Callie Means, who I think was absolutely one of the key figures in building this grand coalition to bring voters who were previously Democrats and independents, people for whom health freedom was a priority, into the Trump coalition to win a smashing comeback victory.
00:21:01.860So, Callie Means, welcome into the Stone Zone.
00:21:24.440First of all, let's talk about her academic credentials and her qualifications for this job, because one does not have to be a surgical resident and performing surgeries to be the Surgeon General.
00:21:40.720I mean, you know, just backing up, right?
00:21:42.660Casey, you know, is my sister, but she has been just – her life's mission for the past year and a half has been to communicate these Maha ideas through a conservative lens of how we can transform institutions and help President Trump get elected.
00:21:57.620You know, she was integral in getting Bobby connected to him and going on Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, actually the most listened to podcast last year, Tucker Carlson, where she talked about the really civilizational imperative of getting Trump elected to take on these special interests.
00:22:10.480Casey's story, the book, Good Energy, which, you know, has sold over a million copies, talks about her journey.
00:22:17.580And Casey has been successful her entire career.
00:22:20.500She was president of her Stanford undergrad class.
00:22:25.000She was top of her Stanford med school class, and she was top of her surgical residency program.
00:22:29.520But Casey has incredible moral courage, and she shocked our family when she came to us, and she said after more than a decade of medical training, she's leaving the system because people aren't getting healthier.
00:22:41.940She did that over pure just insight over it's not working.
00:22:46.520And what she did is she started a company, and she started advocating.
00:22:50.000And the impact that she has had on American patients, and, Roger, I appreciate your testimony on that, she has impacted millions of people through empowering them to take matters into their own hands, to not listen to their doctor right away when they write that prescription pad out.
00:23:10.280So when Bobby Kennedy announced her, he said that the fact that Casey has left the medical system, she is a doctor, she's a graduate of Stanford med school, but the fact that she walked away, unlike so many other doctors who stay in that system, that's why she's Surgeon General.
00:23:30.640And I think what's happening, Roger, here is there's been tremendous outpouring of support, of course, from Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and Donald Trump Jr. and Charlie Kirk.
00:23:40.560I mean, Casey's really mobilized an incredible MAGA, MAHA army, and there was incredible support.
00:23:46.260But I heard today, Roger, and I'll tell you this right now, I just got a call, an insider tip.
00:23:50.380But the pharmaceutical industry and special interests, with President Trump talking about pharma pricing and with Bobby Kennedy taking action, decisive action, they've declared Casey enemy number one.
00:24:02.840And you're seeing a lot of interesting things pop up.
00:24:05.760You know, she's both been called an unqualified hippie, and she's also been called a deep state plant.
00:24:12.560So they're throwing the kitchen sink at her, which is not surprising but pretty interesting.
00:24:19.740Remember, just a few weeks ago, we interviewed you here in the Stone Zone, and you had all of these so-called influencers who were pushing for the SNAP program, that's basically the food stamp program, to be able to spend money on soda.
00:24:37.800That was orchestrated by a public relations firm offering these so-called influencers up to $1,000 per post to oppose reform in that program.
00:24:47.800I see the exact same thing happen here.
00:24:50.900I see paid influencers from big pharma and big ag throwing money around to certain conservative influencers to throw dirt on Dr. Casey Means.
00:25:04.400And for those who say, well, she wasn't for Trump in 2016, exactly, which is why she was an important bridge, as were you, to people who worked for Trump in 2016, who supported Robert Kennedy and his agenda early, and then helped form this grand coalition to make both make America great again and make America healthy again.
00:25:26.540This is the greatest single realignment in American politics since the 1960s, and I think it will be a permanent one.
00:25:35.540So, as you look online and you see the aspersions being tossed her way, recognize that a lot of that is paid for.
00:25:45.720And for those who don't understand, politics is about addition.
00:25:50.920Politics is about expansion of your voter pool, not contraction.
00:25:56.280Let's get into some of these issues here.
00:26:01.320What would be the principal difference between your sister and, say, the Biden Surgeon General?
00:26:08.980The Biden Surgeon General wrote a report for the Biden administration's priorities on health care.
00:26:14.180That report did not contain the word diabetes.
00:26:19.680It did not contain the word heart disease.
00:26:21.400It did not contain the word chronic disease.
00:26:24.400The report mentioned the word vaccine 47 times and the word equity 41 times.
00:26:30.220The Biden administration's Surgeon General said that the greatest threat to American health is misinformation, not diabetes or childhood obesity.
00:26:36.980The Biden administration was completely asleep at the wheel on the chronic disease crisis that makes up 90 percent of health care costs and nine out of 10 American deaths.
00:26:46.580What is what the industry and what the forces that want the same thing that we have today, which is higher costs and lower life expectancy than any other developed country?
00:26:56.660They see Casey, they see Bobby Kennedy as an existential threat because, Roger, this message is just common sense.
00:27:06.320The reason President Trump is going to realign American politics is because the left has given up on protecting kids.
00:27:15.200They became the party of the experts during COVID, right?
00:27:17.960And they dropped the ball on talking about the chronic disease crisis.
00:27:21.300The reason you had a lot of women be first time Trump voters, a lot of young people, a lot of independents, is because President Trump's talking about common sense and he cannot be bought.
00:27:38.940And President Trump is in that building and he is telling Bobby Kennedy, he is telling Pete Headset, he is telling Tulsi Gabbard, he is telling these people, I've got your back.
00:28:18.160They're literally using a quote that she said from a Joe Rogan interview about us not supporting President Trump.
00:28:24.360We went on Joe Rogan and we prayed before that episode that we want to inspire undecided voters to support President Trump.
00:28:31.440So we strategically went in there and said that we were brought along from a process in 2016 from not supporting Trump to believing his election was the most important in our lifetime.
00:28:42.760We strategically said that because we wanted to give license and talk to Maha moms to get them to vote for President Trump.
00:28:50.320I think Casey led a great effort with Bobby Kennedy to talk to millions and millions of moms who eventually became first-time Trump voters.
00:28:58.680They're trying to use that as an attack against her now.
00:29:03.240But I do believe, Roger, that as power is being executed, as President Trump is giving green light to reform our institutions,
00:29:12.020you have forces that are going to be paying social media influencers, paying the media, doing every dirty trick in the book to not just malign Casey.
00:29:20.820They're going to come after Bobby much harder.
00:29:22.960They're going to be coming after the president.
00:29:24.680They're going to be coming after everyone because we are trying to reform institutions here to create better outcomes for the American people.
00:29:32.600Right now, the HHS is the largest department in government.
00:29:35.140It's the biggest line item on the federal budget.
00:29:37.320And we're getting sicker of the results.
00:29:42.500I think it was the day before yesterday when I saw that Robert Kennedy was leading a policy to do away with a number of dyes and additives that are already illegal to be added to foods in Europe,
00:29:55.140but still very prevalent in our food, particularly in breakfast foods, for example, cereals.
00:30:00.880You would think that we would be more enlightened than the Europeans, but no.
00:30:06.400Big ag, big food, big pharma has gotten away with murder, and now they're going to be held accountable.
00:30:12.840Well, just the fact that you have a team here ready to deal with the question of chronic childhood disease, I think, is one of the most important goals of the Trump administration.
00:30:25.760And Robert Kennedy and Dr. Casey Means are exactly the right people.
00:30:30.700As far as the politics of this, I studied the polling because this is what I do for 50 years in American politics in the vineyard.
00:30:38.020I studied the polling in these swing states, and it was the late-breaking votes who had previously been inclined to vote for Robert Kennedy,
00:30:47.660particularly women, going for the Trump ticket that allowed us to win this smashing victory.
00:30:54.700So for those who are looking for purity, oh, you weren't with us in 2016, politics is about addition, as I said earlier.
00:31:02.160What would you say is the single biggest problem with the pharmaceutical industry today, and how will your sister help tackle that?
00:31:12.220So what Casey talks about and I talk about, and this is how I think the administration is seeing it from what I'm seeing, Roger,
00:31:19.940is that the problem isn't with the drug itself.
00:31:23.700Like the problem that Ozempic, this new weight-loss drug, exists, that's not a problem.
00:32:15.660We should have American innovation, but we shouldn't be recommending those things as a first-line defense based on our corporate-captured HHS.
00:32:23.320And we shouldn't be paying 10 times more for these drugs than they do in Germany and Europe.
00:32:29.460Roger, Eli Lilly, an American company who makes these GLP-1 weight-loss drugs, an American company,
00:32:35.140charges patients in Germany and Sweden five to ten times less for the same drug.
00:33:57.040And I think that Dr. Casey Means is going to be a great addition.
00:34:02.180I want to talk about your book for one second because it really did change my life.
00:34:06.380Your book, Good Energy, The Surprising Connection Between Metabolism and Limitless Health.
00:34:11.320Folks, if you haven't read this book, I strongly recommend it to you.
00:34:15.140As I say, it was given to me before I had ever heard of Callie or Casey Means.
00:34:19.200It was given to me by Susie Wiles, who told me she swore by it.
00:34:22.720It really has changed the way that I eat and the way I live.
00:34:25.840Tell us what the most important thing in the book is.
00:34:28.080Something Casey is going to talk about, and I think even more than any policy Bobby Kennedy and Casey and the team at the HHS is going to talk to Americans about, is that it's simple, Roger.
00:34:40.660Right now, there are billions of dollars spent on nutrition research, huge bureaucracies on nutrition.
00:34:46.340We just need to eat more whole food made by American farmers.
00:34:50.760Right now, a child eats 70 percent of their diet, ultra-processed food.
00:34:54.380If they can just put 80 percent whole food on their plate, whether they're a vegan or a carnivore, just stick to whole food.
00:35:01.420If schools, you know, the school lunches the federal government pays for gets more to whole food made by American farmers, that's a huge win.
00:35:08.660We're more sedentary, Roger, than every other country.
00:35:11.260You're going to see President Trump and Bobby Kennedy reinvigorate the Presidential Fitness Commission.
00:35:21.340I mean, these are basic things that our institutions are letting people down.
00:35:25.660And, you know, we're going to have common sense.
00:35:28.620The greatest threat to pharma right now and the greatest way to compel that institution to create products that actually promote life is to get kids healthy, to have them eating whole food made by American farmers.
00:35:41.020So Casey's not going to be putting out all these press releases, you know, with complications.
00:35:46.980She's going to be steering Americans the fact that health is simple and it's our patriotic duty to have healthy kids, to serve them good food.
00:35:54.840And that's going to transform the country right now.
00:35:57.640Seventy seven percent of military aged youth aren't eligible to join the military because of mental health issues or chronic disease issues.
00:36:04.260She's going to drive that number down.
00:36:06.140And a lot of this is communication and just rallying the country to this cause, which is happening.
00:36:12.500You see this right now with Bobby Kennedy.
00:36:14.120So so so that's what history is going to look back on the Trump administration on in 50 years.
00:36:19.100We're going to look at chronic disease rates.
00:36:20.920They're going to be at an all time high this year.
00:36:22.940I mean this, Roger, because I think they're already you know, you're seeing them start to come down.
00:36:27.200This will be the highest year we've ever had in history of chronic disease.
00:36:30.780It's going to start going down and that's going to be because of President Trump.
00:37:15.460There's an old saying in American politics, you can't beat somebody with nobody.
00:37:19.660And, well, if you look at the Democrat Party of today and look forward, they don't have any strong candidates.
00:37:25.920President Trump made it clear in his Meet the Press interview that although he was flattered,
00:37:31.160he is well aware of the fact that the U.S. Constitution essentially prohibits him from running again.
00:37:36.640But instead of just anointing J.D. Vance, his vice president, while he said that Vance would have a leg up, which within our party, the Republican Party, certainly would,
00:37:47.280he also said that it would be a big field that could include even, say, Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
00:37:53.280I've said here on the show that I think Tulsi Gabbard, the former Congresswoman, former Democrat, now a Republican,
00:38:01.020the head of the Director of National Intelligence, is a likely possible candidate.
00:38:07.060In the Oval Office today, President Trump called out former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg,
00:38:13.020the former air traffic controller, for the problems currently impacting U.S. airports like Newark International Airport.
00:38:20.800Trump also called out Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, a Democrat who has repeatedly encouraged violence against Republicans.
00:38:30.500Buttigieg, speaking of Buttigieg, the president said, that guy has no clue.
00:38:35.620He drives to work on his bicycle with his husband on the back, which is a nice, loving relationship, but he doesn't have any clue.
00:38:42.300Is he actually a contender for president? Between he and Crocker, you can have that party.
00:38:48.140And then there's J.B. Pritzker. This guy is so fat, when he walks down the street, the cops say, hey, break it up.
00:38:54.880No, this guy is so fat he has his own zip code.
00:38:58.720People will not remember this, but while running for governor, he actually had some toilets removed from his mansion
00:39:05.620in order to save money on local property taxes.
00:39:09.260And very recently, he was in New Hampshire saying things about Republicans should have no peace that I led to believe was an advocacy for insurrection.
00:39:21.780If any Republican said that, say, after post-January 6th, you would have been arrested.
00:39:26.980But there is J.B. Pritzker, the multi-multi-millionaire governor of Illinois, essentially preaching violence.
00:39:36.660In the meantime, if you looked at the polls, the candidate leading the Democrat polls for 2028 would be Kamala Harris.
00:39:44.760And if she runs for governor of California, which I believe she will, she would again be the front runner.
00:39:50.640So maybe we're looking at a Kamala Harris candidacy, which would be fine with me.
00:39:56.000Or then there's AOC. Don't think that she won't run.
00:39:58.900First of all, she can raise the money in millions of small donations.
00:40:04.300And why not? Bernie Sanders probably liked to run, but, well, Bernie could be a little long in the tooth.
00:40:10.740I don't think they have much of a field. I think our party has a great field.
00:40:15.040Thanks for joining us. And until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.