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00:01:33.600 President Donald Trump has nominated Dr. Casey Means, a physician and health policy advocate

00:01:41.120 with close ties to HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as his Surgeon General.

00:01:48.280 I'm very excited about this nomination.

00:01:50.840 I actually think from a political point of view, Casey Means and her brother Kelly Means played key roles

00:02:00.780 in the, I would say, realignment of American politics.

00:02:07.520 Their advocacy for Donald Trump, after being earlier supporters of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., helped build this realignment that brought millions of Democrats and independents and younger voters into the Trump fold.

00:02:21.900 On true social yesterday, President Trump said,

00:02:25.160 I'm pleased to announce that Dr. Casey Means will be nominated as our next Surgeon General of the United States.

00:02:33.140 Casey has impeccable MAHA, that means Make America Healthy Again, credentials,

00:02:39.240 and will work closely with our wonderful Secretary of Health and Human Services, Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:02:46.060 to ensure a successful implementation of our agenda in order to reverse the chronic disease epidemic in this country

00:02:54.460 and ensure great health in the future for all Americans.

00:02:58.940 Her academic achievements, together with her life's work, are absolutely outstanding.

00:03:04.640 Dr. Casey Means has the potential to be one of the finest Surgeon Generals in U.S. history.

00:03:11.300 Congratulations to Casey.

00:03:13.240 Now, it's important to note, as I say, that Casey Means and her brother Kelly Means, who's going to join us later in the show,

00:03:20.240 served as key advisors initially to Robert Kennedy's 2024 presidential bid

00:03:26.100 and advocated early that Kennedy join Trump and endorse him.

00:03:31.620 This is a realignment in American politics since the 1960s,

00:03:36.720 in which common-sense Democrats and independents,

00:03:40.400 who used to consider themselves part of the old Democrat Party of John F. Kennedy and Harry Truman,

00:03:46.640 saw that the only common-sense choice was Donald Trump.

00:03:51.340 Means has been widely praised, drawing acclaim from conservative politicians,

00:03:56.100 like my good friend Tucker Carlson, as well as the podcaster Joe Rogan.

00:04:01.500 She's particularly good on the issue of processed foods,

00:04:05.340 which, to me, is definitely a contributor to the range of conditions,

00:04:09.760 including obesity, infertility, Alzheimer's, depression, well, and even erectile dysfunction.

00:04:16.900 After listening to Robert Kennedy, I'm afraid to eat just about anything.

00:04:20.280 Now, Dr. Jeanette Neswiat, initially nominated by President Trump for U.S. Surgeon General,

00:04:27.800 faced a lot of criticism, including from me, leading to withdrawal of her nomination.

00:04:33.640 The main concerns about her included her support for the COVID-19 vaccination mandate,

00:04:40.220 and also the fact that she referred to the COVID-19 vaccinations as a gift from God,

00:04:48.140 and therefore advocated for their widespread use.

00:04:51.280 By the way, my view is, of course, it would be up to the choice of the individual,

00:04:55.840 whether you would take the vaccination or not.

00:04:58.160 I believe in health freedom, but Neswiat supported mask mandates,

00:05:04.500 including double masking, and endorsed masking children in schools.

00:05:09.520 She praised social media platforms like Facebook for censoring what she called anti-vax information,

00:05:16.940 urging others to do the same.

00:05:19.000 Never thought she was a good choice to be a Surgeon General.

00:05:23.000 She also had questionable medical credentials, with critics questioning whether her medical qualifications

00:05:29.780 and expertise suggested discrepancies about her alma mater

00:05:34.020 and expressing doubts about her suitability for the job.

00:05:38.220 I would point out to you, by the way, she happened to be the sister-in-law of Mike Walsh,

00:05:43.480 the former national security advisor who was ousted from that job and moved over to the U.N.

00:05:50.100 That raised some early questions about nepotism and political entanglements.

00:05:55.620 Finally, she received alignment with establishment narratives in general.

00:06:00.940 I'm glad to see the president made what I think is a very wise decision here.

00:06:06.280 We're going to talk to Callie Means, who is Casey Means' brother,

00:06:09.840 about why this is such a great appointment.

00:06:12.360 I actually changed the way that I eat after reading a book by both Dr. Casey Means and Callie Means

00:06:19.980 entitled Good Energy, The Surprising Connection Between Metabolism and Limitless Health.

00:06:25.500 We'll talk about that a little later.

00:06:28.100 In the meantime, we now have our first American Pope.

00:06:32.500 Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost was elected the 267th Pope.

00:06:38.020 He took the name Leo.

00:06:40.540 I guess it would be Leo XIV.

00:06:43.980 He is from Chicago.

00:06:45.920 He's the first American Pope.

00:06:48.100 I am concerned about some of the things that he has written that are critical of President Trump.

00:06:58.700 Now, I think, generally speaking, popes who stay out of American politics,

00:07:03.500 there is a difference between when the Pope speaks at catheter,

00:07:08.400 that means he's speaking in his formal role as the leader of the church,

00:07:14.660 and when he is speaking pastorally, which is when politics seems to creep in.

00:07:19.960 I was a critic of Pope Francis, largely for several reasons.

00:07:25.360 First and foremost, because of a deal he made with the Chinese Communist Party,

00:07:30.800 where essentially he gave them veto power over who the bishops and priests in China would be.

00:07:39.040 Then he ignored Cardinal Joseph Zen when reaching that agreement.

00:07:45.100 I remember when the Catholic Church was a bulk work against communism back in the days of Reverend Fulton Sheen.

00:07:54.360 I also don't like the fact that Pope Francis brought back Cardinal McCarrick,

00:08:01.940 who was a vicious pedophile, making McCarrick a key advisor to the Pope inside the Pentagon.

00:08:12.440 Now, I'm going to give this Pope the benefit of the doubt. 0.93

00:08:16.540 He's described as a moderate,

00:08:18.740 someone who can bridge the conservative and progressive wings of the church.

00:08:24.360 But he has posted criticism of President Trump's immigration policies.

00:08:31.840 I'm not sure where that's addressed in the Bible,

00:08:34.200 as well as criticism of Vice President J.D. Vance.

00:08:39.120 White smoke appeared from Sistine Chapel at approximately 6.08 Roman time,

00:08:43.940 following the chiming of the Vatican's bells,

00:08:46.720 which confirmed for the faithful that a new pope had been chosen.

00:08:50.520 Robert Francis Prevost was elevated to the rank of Cardinal by Pope Francis,

00:08:57.900 giving a consistatory view of the Vatican.

00:09:02.480 Now, I point out again that Pope Francis appointed 80% of those who were voting in this conclave of the College of Cardinals,

00:09:13.480 which is why I thought it was unlikely, unfortunately,

00:09:18.140 that they did not go to a more conservative or traditional-oriented pope.

00:09:24.880 I would like to see a pope who is a critic of radical Muslim, 0.99

00:09:29.040 who is a critic of Marxism and authoritarianism,

00:09:33.440 and who adheres to the church's basic teachings.

00:09:37.380 In fact, I think those who want to go to the Latin Mass should be allowed to do so.

00:09:43.180 Francis issued essentially an order reversing Pope Benedict's liberalization

00:09:49.020 that allowed Catholics to do that.

00:09:52.820 We shall see.

00:09:54.060 President Trump congratulated the new pope on True Social,

00:09:56.800 saying congratulations to Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost,

00:10:01.560 who was just named pope.

00:10:02.700 It's such an honor to realize that he is the first American pope.

00:10:06.380 What excitement and what a great honor for our country.

00:10:09.960 The president says he looks forward to meeting the pope.

00:10:12.420 Once again, I'm going to give the pope the benefit of the doubt,

00:10:16.880 but some of his political pronouncements online are troubling to me.

00:10:22.040 2014, Pope Francis appointed Prevost as an apostolic administrator

00:10:27.460 of the Diocese of Chiclayo in Peru.

00:10:31.580 He was consecrated as bishop later that year.

00:10:34.200 He served as a bishop there until 2023.

00:10:38.200 While progressive in social matters,

00:10:40.640 Pope Leo maintains some traditional stances on key doctrinal issues.

00:10:45.440 He opposes, for example, the ordination of women as deacons,

00:10:49.520 expressing concerns that such changes might not address underlying challenges

00:10:54.340 within the church.

00:10:56.000 I, again, think that the jury is out.

00:11:02.340 In his first appearance as pope, the new pope wore the traditional red cape of the papacy,

00:11:08.020 a cape that Francis had eschewed when he was elected.

00:11:12.040 See, I go for the costumes.

00:11:13.720 I like the pageantry of the church.

00:11:17.320 Pope Leo's choice is to take that traditional name

00:11:20.300 and to appear in traditional papal garb was something that Benedict did and Francis did not,

00:11:26.600 are small but encouraging signs to those of us who want a man who supports himself to the office

00:11:33.620 and understands the importance of continuity and tradition within the church.

00:11:38.280 His choice of Leo as a papal name is an interesting choice.

00:11:43.660 Perhaps it is meant to evoke the beloved Leo XIII,

00:11:48.320 who wrote the great 1890 encilical Recom Novarum,

00:11:53.260 which championed the rights of workers in a changing world,

00:11:56.740 often heralded by Catholics like my parents,

00:12:00.040 as a populist document that advocates for the rights of the common man.

00:12:05.220 Here's a little good news.

00:12:06.460 The pope is a registered Republican, has voted in several Republican primaries.

00:12:11.240 He's also reportedly a Chicago Cubs fan.

00:12:15.540 But as I say, he's expressed criticism of President Trump's policies,

00:12:20.180 particularly concerning immigration.

00:12:22.720 Now, to me, immigration is a pretty cut and dry issue.

00:12:26.460 Illegal, violent immigrants in our country are dangerous, 1.00

00:12:30.400 and the president has a constitutional right to deport them.

00:12:34.480 This is not a religious issue.

00:12:35.900 It's not an issue for the church.

00:12:38.560 It is an issue to be decided in elections,

00:12:41.680 and I think we decided it in the recent election.

00:12:46.280 In the meantime, we also know that Ed Martin,

00:12:52.680 who was the president's appointee to be the U.S. attorney for D.C.,

00:12:58.320 was his name was withdrawn today by President Trump.

00:13:04.540 This is because the senator from North Carolina, Tom Tillis,

00:13:11.880 member of the Senate Judiciary Committee,

00:13:14.260 stoutly refused to vote for Martin.

00:13:16.900 I think this is quite a setback.

00:13:19.900 Ed Martin was a law-and-order U.S. attorney,

00:13:23.160 but more importantly, he would have fought and exposed the weaponization

00:13:27.600 of the judicial system, particularly in D.C.

00:13:31.720 I know a little bit about that, having been put through a Soviet-style show trial

00:13:37.120 during the Russian collusion hoax, when I, in fact, did nothing wrong.

00:13:41.720 But this is exciting.

00:13:43.540 President Trump is reportedly considering picking my 77 WABC colleague,

00:13:50.380 Judge Jeanine Pirro, as potentially the interim U.S. attorney

00:13:55.160 for the District of Columbia.

00:13:56.680 Now, Judge Pirro is a former Westchester district attorney and prosecutor.

00:14:02.480 She's both a good friend of President Donald Trump,

00:14:05.580 as well as Attorney General Pam Bondi.

00:14:08.260 I also think, from a political point of view, President Trump now must demonstrate

00:14:13.120 that this is his party, and he must foster a challenge to Senator Tom Tillis,

00:14:19.900 who's running for re-election in 2026, and I think just ended his political career.

00:14:25.540 Anyone who doesn't think that Donald Trump is not dominant in a Senate primary,

00:14:30.640 particularly in a conservative state like North Carolina,

00:14:33.760 doesn't understand the dynamics.

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00:15:48.940 We were talking about the fact that President Donald Trump announced that he was withdrawing the nomination of Ed Martin as the acting U.S. attorney in D.C.

00:15:57.880 Ed Martin's appointment struck fear in the hearts of the establishment.

00:16:02.340 Because, well, what if he dug into the Russian collusion hoax, the greatest single dirty trick and abuse of power in American political history,

00:16:11.860 in which the full power and authority of the U.S.

00:16:14.000 And the full power and authority of the U.S. government was used utilizing two pieces of fraudulent evidence, the so-called Steele dossier, and the false claim that the Russians hacked the DNC as the pretext to try to overturn the election of a duly elected president?

00:16:34.040 That would be Donald Trump.

00:16:35.320 This is something which Vice President Joe Biden, as well as President Barack Obama, FBI Director James Comey, CIA Director John Brennan, National Security Advisor Susan Rice, Deputy FBI Director McCabe, Andrew McCabe, all of these people desperately fear being held accountable.

00:16:57.600 And I think they were afraid that Ed Martin might hold them accountable.

00:17:01.780 I'd love to see Judge Jeanine Pirro in that job. 1.00

00:17:05.740 It's only reported that she's being considered.

00:17:08.020 It hasn't been reported that she's been offered the job or that she would accept it.

00:17:11.860 But I must tell you, she would be really great.

00:17:15.640 Again, I say Senator Tom Tillis, a sole Republican come out against Martin, has now painted a political bullseye on his back.

00:17:24.140 It is reported that he actually said in one of these meetings that Ashley Babbitt, she was the unarmed Air Force veteran shot and killed in cold blood without warning while menacing no one.

00:17:40.100 He actually said she deserved it.

00:17:42.380 If that's true, then he deserves a Republican primary back in North Carolina.

00:17:47.680 It is vitally important that a president demonstrate fairly early that you will not allow members of your own party to betray you.

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00:18:14.720 And that is dangerous for any president, particularly a president early in his term.

00:18:21.020 Now, as we told you yesterday, President Trump made it clear that he has really no thoughts of running again in 2028.

00:18:27.680 That's largely been trolling, although sure would be popular in the Republican Party.

00:18:32.740 But I do think he has to lay down the law in the grand old party.

00:18:37.620 Coming up next, Callie Means, his sister, was just appointed Surgeon General of the United States.

00:18:44.960 I think this is a great, great appointment.

00:18:47.760 Callie Means was one of the key players in building the coalition, the realignment that elected Donald Trump that brought millions of Democrats and independents and Kennedy supporters into the Trump fold.

00:19:01.320 We're going to talk about both the politics and the policy of this important appointment with Callie Means when we come back.

00:19:09.780 This, I think, is a very timely interview.

00:19:13.420 There are some online who seem to be criticizing this appointment of Dr. Casey Means as a Surgeon General.

00:19:20.940 We're going to talk about what their motives might be and maybe who's put them up to it.

00:19:25.920 We'll be right back with Callie Means.

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00:19:57.800 Welcome back.

00:19:58.940 You are back in the Stone Zone.

00:20:01.040 Joining me now is Callie Means.

00:20:03.580 He is the co-author with his sister, Dr. Casey Means, who was announced today by President Donald Trump as the next Surgeon General of the United States of a terrific book.

00:20:15.080 It is called Good Energy, the surprising connection between metabolism and limitless health.

00:20:20.640 I'm going to be honest with you.

00:20:21.440 This book literally changed my life.

00:20:24.360 Almost two years ago, Trump campaign manager, now White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles gave me this book, and I read it with enthusiasm.

00:20:34.280 It changed the way I eat and the way I live.

00:20:37.360 It's had a profound effect on me, and then I got to know Callie Means, who I think was absolutely one of the key figures in building this grand coalition to bring voters who were previously Democrats and independents, people for whom health freedom was a priority, into the Trump coalition to win a smashing comeback victory.

00:21:01.860 So, Callie Means, welcome into the Stone Zone.

00:21:06.300 Hey, Roger.

00:21:07.400 You've been a hero of the Maha Agenda since day one, and it's great to be on.

00:21:11.140 So, I'm looking across the Internet here, and I see a lot of what I think is very suspicious criticism of Dr. Casey Means.

00:21:22.720 So, I want to take this in two parts.

00:21:24.440 First of all, let's talk about her academic credentials and her qualifications for this job, because one does not have to be a surgical resident and performing surgeries to be the Surgeon General.

00:21:37.620 Yeah, Roger.

00:21:40.720 I mean, you know, just backing up, right?

00:21:42.660 Casey, you know, is my sister, but she has been just – her life's mission for the past year and a half has been to communicate these Maha ideas through a conservative lens of how we can transform institutions and help President Trump get elected.

00:21:57.620 You know, she was integral in getting Bobby connected to him and going on Joe Rogan, Tucker Carlson, actually the most listened to podcast last year, Tucker Carlson, where she talked about the really civilizational imperative of getting Trump elected to take on these special interests.

00:22:10.480 Casey's story, the book, Good Energy, which, you know, has sold over a million copies, talks about her journey.

00:22:17.580 And Casey has been successful her entire career.

00:22:20.500 She was president of her Stanford undergrad class.

00:22:25.000 She was top of her Stanford med school class, and she was top of her surgical residency program.

00:22:29.520 But Casey has incredible moral courage, and she shocked our family when she came to us, and she said after more than a decade of medical training, she's leaving the system because people aren't getting healthier.

00:22:40.620 She had no plan.

00:22:41.940 She did that over pure just insight over it's not working.

00:22:46.520 And what she did is she started a company, and she started advocating.

00:22:50.000 And the impact that she has had on American patients, and, Roger, I appreciate your testimony on that, she has impacted millions of people through empowering them to take matters into their own hands, to not listen to their doctor right away when they write that prescription pad out.

00:23:05.260 And she left the medical system.

00:23:07.960 That is the epitome of her story.

00:23:10.280 So when Bobby Kennedy announced her, he said that the fact that Casey has left the medical system, she is a doctor, she's a graduate of Stanford med school, but the fact that she walked away, unlike so many other doctors who stay in that system, that's why she's Surgeon General.

00:23:26.100 That's why she's the nominee. 0.54

00:23:27.700 It's not in spite of that.

00:23:29.000 It is because she left the system.

00:23:30.640 And I think what's happening, Roger, here is there's been tremendous outpouring of support, of course, from Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and Donald Trump Jr. and Charlie Kirk.

00:23:40.560 I mean, Casey's really mobilized an incredible MAGA, MAHA army, and there was incredible support.

00:23:46.260 But I heard today, Roger, and I'll tell you this right now, I just got a call, an insider tip.

00:23:50.380 But the pharmaceutical industry and special interests, with President Trump talking about pharma pricing and with Bobby Kennedy taking action, decisive action, they've declared Casey enemy number one.

00:24:02.840 And you're seeing a lot of interesting things pop up.

00:24:05.760 You know, she's both been called an unqualified hippie, and she's also been called a deep state plant. 1.00

00:24:12.560 So they're throwing the kitchen sink at her, which is not surprising but pretty interesting.

00:24:16.660 Yeah, I smell the exact same thing.

00:24:18.320 We saw this before, by the way.

00:24:19.740 Remember, just a few weeks ago, we interviewed you here in the Stone Zone, and you had all of these so-called influencers who were pushing for the SNAP program, that's basically the food stamp program, to be able to spend money on soda.

00:24:36.420 That was all paid for.

00:24:37.800 That was orchestrated by a public relations firm offering these so-called influencers up to $1,000 per post to oppose reform in that program.

00:24:47.800 I see the exact same thing happen here.

00:24:50.900 I see paid influencers from big pharma and big ag throwing money around to certain conservative influencers to throw dirt on Dr. Casey Means.

00:25:03.580 It is outrageous.

00:25:04.400 And for those who say, well, she wasn't for Trump in 2016, exactly, which is why she was an important bridge, as were you, to people who worked for Trump in 2016, who supported Robert Kennedy and his agenda early, and then helped form this grand coalition to make both make America great again and make America healthy again.

00:25:26.540 This is the greatest single realignment in American politics since the 1960s, and I think it will be a permanent one.

00:25:35.540 So, as you look online and you see the aspersions being tossed her way, recognize that a lot of that is paid for.

00:25:45.720 And for those who don't understand, politics is about addition.

00:25:50.920 Politics is about expansion of your voter pool, not contraction.

00:25:56.280 Let's get into some of these issues here.

00:26:01.320 What would be the principal difference between your sister and, say, the Biden Surgeon General?

00:26:08.980 The Biden Surgeon General wrote a report for the Biden administration's priorities on health care.

00:26:14.180 That report did not contain the word diabetes.

00:26:17.780 It did not contain the word obesity.

00:26:19.680 It did not contain the word heart disease.

00:26:21.400 It did not contain the word chronic disease.

00:26:24.400 The report mentioned the word vaccine 47 times and the word equity 41 times.

00:26:30.220 The Biden administration's Surgeon General said that the greatest threat to American health is misinformation, not diabetes or childhood obesity.

00:26:36.980 The Biden administration was completely asleep at the wheel on the chronic disease crisis that makes up 90 percent of health care costs and nine out of 10 American deaths.

00:26:46.580 What is what the industry and what the forces that want the same thing that we have today, which is higher costs and lower life expectancy than any other developed country?

00:26:56.660 They see Casey, they see Bobby Kennedy as an existential threat because, Roger, this message is just common sense.

00:27:06.320 The reason President Trump is going to realign American politics is because the left has given up on protecting kids.

00:27:13.700 They've given up on common sense.

00:27:15.200 They became the party of the experts during COVID, right?

00:27:17.960 And they dropped the ball on talking about the chronic disease crisis.

00:27:21.300 The reason you had a lot of women be first time Trump voters, a lot of young people, a lot of independents, is because President Trump's talking about common sense and he cannot be bought.

00:27:33.340 It is extraordinary, Roger.

00:27:35.400 I'm at the White House right now.

00:27:37.160 I'm looking at the West Wing.

00:27:38.940 And President Trump is in that building and he is telling Bobby Kennedy, he is telling Pete Headset, he is telling Tulsi Gabbard, he is telling these people, I've got your back.

00:27:49.140 Drive transformational change.

00:27:51.760 Now, Casey, along with Bobby Kennedy, is the greatest communicator for these common sense agenda items that exist in this world.

00:27:59.180 And Casey is going to do something extraordinary for President Trump beyond just policy.

00:28:04.080 She's going to make the moral case for how we need to transition our institutions to empower disease reversal.

00:28:12.120 That is an existential threat.

00:28:14.000 And you're absolutely right, Roger.

00:28:15.940 It's very easy to see.

00:28:18.160 They're literally using a quote that she said from a Joe Rogan interview about us not supporting President Trump.

00:28:24.360 We went on Joe Rogan and we prayed before that episode that we want to inspire undecided voters to support President Trump.

00:28:31.440 So we strategically went in there and said that we were brought along from a process in 2016 from not supporting Trump to believing his election was the most important in our lifetime.

00:28:42.760 We strategically said that because we wanted to give license and talk to Maha moms to get them to vote for President Trump.

00:28:50.320 I think Casey led a great effort with Bobby Kennedy to talk to millions and millions of moms who eventually became first-time Trump voters.

00:28:58.680 They're trying to use that as an attack against her now. 0.94

00:29:01.080 They're throwing the kitchen sink.

00:29:02.340 It's unbelievable.

00:29:03.240 But I do believe, Roger, that as power is being executed, as President Trump is giving green light to reform our institutions,

00:29:12.020 you have forces that are going to be paying social media influencers, paying the media, doing every dirty trick in the book to not just malign Casey.

00:29:20.820 They're going to come after Bobby much harder.

00:29:22.960 They're going to be coming after the president.

00:29:24.680 They're going to be coming after everyone because we are trying to reform institutions here to create better outcomes for the American people.

00:29:32.600 Right now, the HHS is the largest department in government.

00:29:35.140 It's the biggest line item on the federal budget.

00:29:37.320 And we're getting sicker of the results.

00:29:38.960 We have to change this.

00:29:40.080 Yeah, I was very encouraged.

00:29:42.500 I think it was the day before yesterday when I saw that Robert Kennedy was leading a policy to do away with a number of dyes and additives that are already illegal to be added to foods in Europe,

00:29:55.140 but still very prevalent in our food, particularly in breakfast foods, for example, cereals.

00:30:00.880 You would think that we would be more enlightened than the Europeans, but no.

00:30:06.400 Big ag, big food, big pharma has gotten away with murder, and now they're going to be held accountable.

00:30:12.840 Well, just the fact that you have a team here ready to deal with the question of chronic childhood disease, I think, is one of the most important goals of the Trump administration.

00:30:25.760 And Robert Kennedy and Dr. Casey Means are exactly the right people.

00:30:30.700 As far as the politics of this, I studied the polling because this is what I do for 50 years in American politics in the vineyard.

00:30:38.020 I studied the polling in these swing states, and it was the late-breaking votes who had previously been inclined to vote for Robert Kennedy,

00:30:47.660 particularly women, going for the Trump ticket that allowed us to win this smashing victory. 1.00

00:30:54.700 So for those who are looking for purity, oh, you weren't with us in 2016, politics is about addition, as I said earlier.

00:31:02.160 What would you say is the single biggest problem with the pharmaceutical industry today, and how will your sister help tackle that?

00:31:12.220 So what Casey talks about and I talk about, and this is how I think the administration is seeing it from what I'm seeing, Roger,

00:31:19.940 is that the problem isn't with the drug itself.

00:31:23.700 Like the problem that Ozempic, this new weight-loss drug, exists, that's not a problem.

00:31:28.660 We support American innovation.

00:31:30.160 The problem is that the drug is then recommended by the government, by our medical authorities,

00:31:36.060 which are captured as the first-line defense.

00:31:38.840 So, Roger, I'm shocked, putting together this report for President Trump on the chronic disease crisis.

00:31:43.980 Do you know that SSRI prescriptions, antidepressants, they've gone up 600 percent since 2020 among teenage girls?

00:31:52.380 Adderall prescriptions, which are stimulants, which are one molecule away from crystal meth,

00:31:56.520 have gone up 300 percent among high schoolers in the past seven years.

00:32:01.740 We are over-medicating our children because that's what our medical authorities recommend.

00:32:06.860 They're now recommending Ozempic, a weight-loss shot that you have to take for your entire life to 12-year-olds who are obese.

00:32:14.220 So Ozempic is great.

00:32:15.660 We should have American innovation, but we shouldn't be recommending those things as a first-line defense based on our corporate-captured HHS.

00:32:23.320 And we shouldn't be paying 10 times more for these drugs than they do in Germany and Europe.

00:32:29.460 Roger, Eli Lilly, an American company who makes these GLP-1 weight-loss drugs, an American company,

00:32:35.140 charges patients in Germany and Sweden five to ten times less for the same drug.

00:32:42.660 That's un-American. 0.81

00:32:43.940 It's unpatriotic.

00:32:44.740 President Trump, you know, has talked about this.

00:32:47.180 He's not happy about it.

00:32:48.720 But, you know, we want mass deregulation at the FDA.

00:32:51.940 We want therapeutic innovation.

00:32:53.680 But these companies need to be incentivized to create products that promote life, that extend life, that reverse disease,

00:33:01.800 not just get on this treadmill where we're giving kids antidepressants, Adderall, Ozempic, and a bunch of other drugs their entire life.

00:33:08.420 This system we have right now is corporate capture.

00:33:11.400 And it's going to be, you know, years to change.

00:33:13.640 But what Bobby Kennedy and President Trump are going to do, and Casey, you know, when she's confirmed,

00:33:19.760 is going to communicate better than anyone in the country, is we need to get common-sense quick wins, one after the next,

00:33:26.660 to start bending the system in a different direction.

00:33:30.080 Yeah, we've already seen that.

00:33:32.100 Robert Kennedy has hit the ground running.

00:33:34.180 His announcement yesterday that he was going to get to the bottom of this geoengineering, what some people call chemtrails.

00:33:44.240 He used to call us nuts, crazy, when we talked about this.

00:33:47.560 But I'm sorry, there are toxins that are being sprayed into the air.

00:33:51.120 We need to get to the bottom of who is doing it and why.

00:33:54.520 I admire his courage.

00:33:57.040 And I think that Dr. Casey Means is going to be a great addition.

00:34:02.180 I want to talk about your book for one second because it really did change my life.

00:34:06.380 Your book, Good Energy, The Surprising Connection Between Metabolism and Limitless Health.

00:34:11.320 Folks, if you haven't read this book, I strongly recommend it to you.

00:34:15.140 As I say, it was given to me before I had ever heard of Callie or Casey Means.

00:34:19.200 It was given to me by Susie Wiles, who told me she swore by it.

00:34:22.720 It really has changed the way that I eat and the way I live.

00:34:25.840 Tell us what the most important thing in the book is.

00:34:28.080 Something Casey is going to talk about, and I think even more than any policy Bobby Kennedy and Casey and the team at the HHS is going to talk to Americans about, is that it's simple, Roger.

00:34:40.660 Right now, there are billions of dollars spent on nutrition research, huge bureaucracies on nutrition.

00:34:46.340 We just need to eat more whole food made by American farmers.

00:34:50.760 Right now, a child eats 70 percent of their diet, ultra-processed food.

00:34:54.380 If they can just put 80 percent whole food on their plate, whether they're a vegan or a carnivore, just stick to whole food.

00:35:01.420 If schools, you know, the school lunches the federal government pays for gets more to whole food made by American farmers, that's a huge win.

00:35:08.660 We're more sedentary, Roger, than every other country.

00:35:11.260 You're going to see President Trump and Bobby Kennedy reinvigorate the Presidential Fitness Commission.

00:35:15.240 We're going to get kids moving again.

00:35:17.640 Kids spend less than an hour outside.

00:35:21.340 I mean, these are basic things that our institutions are letting people down.

00:35:25.660 And, you know, we're going to have common sense.

00:35:28.620 The greatest threat to pharma right now and the greatest way to compel that institution to create products that actually promote life is to get kids healthy, to have them eating whole food made by American farmers.

00:35:41.020 So Casey's not going to be putting out all these press releases, you know, with complications.

00:35:46.980 She's going to be steering Americans the fact that health is simple and it's our patriotic duty to have healthy kids, to serve them good food. 0.84

00:35:54.840 And that's going to transform the country right now.

00:35:57.640 Seventy seven percent of military aged youth aren't eligible to join the military because of mental health issues or chronic disease issues.

00:36:04.260 She's going to drive that number down. 1.00

00:36:06.140 And a lot of this is communication and just rallying the country to this cause, which is happening.

00:36:12.500 You see this right now with Bobby Kennedy.

00:36:14.120 So so so that's what history is going to look back on the Trump administration on in 50 years.

00:36:19.100 We're going to look at chronic disease rates.

00:36:20.920 They're going to be at an all time high this year.

00:36:22.940 I mean this, Roger, because I think they're already you know, you're seeing them start to come down.

00:36:27.200 This will be the highest year we've ever had in history of chronic disease.

00:36:30.780 It's going to start going down and that's going to be because of President Trump.

00:36:34.120 All right.

00:36:34.680 We have to leave it there.

00:36:35.560 I want to thank my guest, Callie Means, for joining us today in the Stone Zone.

00:36:39.540 Whatever you do, folks, don't touch that dial because, well, we'll be right back.

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00:37:12.040 And we're back in the Stone Zone.

00:37:15.460 There's an old saying in American politics, you can't beat somebody with nobody.

00:37:19.660 And, well, if you look at the Democrat Party of today and look forward, they don't have any strong candidates.

00:37:25.920 President Trump made it clear in his Meet the Press interview that although he was flattered,

00:37:31.160 he is well aware of the fact that the U.S. Constitution essentially prohibits him from running again.

00:37:36.640 But instead of just anointing J.D. Vance, his vice president, while he said that Vance would have a leg up, which within our party, the Republican Party, certainly would,

00:37:47.280 he also said that it would be a big field that could include even, say, Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

00:37:53.280 I've said here on the show that I think Tulsi Gabbard, the former Congresswoman, former Democrat, now a Republican,

00:38:01.020 the head of the Director of National Intelligence, is a likely possible candidate.

00:38:07.060 In the Oval Office today, President Trump called out former Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg,

00:38:13.020 the former air traffic controller, for the problems currently impacting U.S. airports like Newark International Airport.

00:38:20.800 Trump also called out Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett, a Democrat who has repeatedly encouraged violence against Republicans.

00:38:30.500 Buttigieg, speaking of Buttigieg, the president said, that guy has no clue.

00:38:35.620 He drives to work on his bicycle with his husband on the back, which is a nice, loving relationship, but he doesn't have any clue.

00:38:42.300 Is he actually a contender for president? Between he and Crocker, you can have that party.

00:38:48.140 And then there's J.B. Pritzker. This guy is so fat, when he walks down the street, the cops say, hey, break it up.

00:38:54.880 No, this guy is so fat he has his own zip code. 0.78

00:38:58.720 People will not remember this, but while running for governor, he actually had some toilets removed from his mansion 0.57

00:39:05.620 in order to save money on local property taxes.

00:39:09.260 And very recently, he was in New Hampshire saying things about Republicans should have no peace that I led to believe was an advocacy for insurrection.

00:39:21.780 If any Republican said that, say, after post-January 6th, you would have been arrested.

00:39:26.980 But there is J.B. Pritzker, the multi-multi-millionaire governor of Illinois, essentially preaching violence.

00:39:36.660 In the meantime, if you looked at the polls, the candidate leading the Democrat polls for 2028 would be Kamala Harris. 0.98

00:39:44.760 And if she runs for governor of California, which I believe she will, she would again be the front runner. 1.00

00:39:50.640 So maybe we're looking at a Kamala Harris candidacy, which would be fine with me.

00:39:56.000 Or then there's AOC. Don't think that she won't run.

00:39:58.900 First of all, she can raise the money in millions of small donations.

00:40:04.300 And why not? Bernie Sanders probably liked to run, but, well, Bernie could be a little long in the tooth.

00:40:10.740 I don't think they have much of a field. I think our party has a great field.

00:40:15.040 Thanks for joining us. And until tomorrow, God bless you and Godspeed.

The Stone Zone ｜ 05-08-25

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