The StoneZONE with Roger Stone


The Stone Zone ｜ 05-29-25


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Summary

A federal court in New York has ruled that President Trump exceeded his authority to impose tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. President Trump immediately appealed the ruling, and a federal appeals court has temporarily reinstated the tariffs. Meanwhile, the FBI reveals shocking evidence from a secret safe room.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Wow, that was fast.
00:00:03.440 The Stone Zone, entertaining and informative on the Red Apple Podcast Network.
00:00:10.920 Yesterday, we interrupted our regular show here in the Stone Zone to bring you breaking news
00:00:17.120 that the relatively obscure Court of International Trade in New York
00:00:22.220 had ruled that President Donald Trump exceeded his authority
00:00:26.660 to impose tariffs under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977.
00:00:34.640 Prior to that, a U.S. District Court judge in Florida, Judge T.K. Weatherall,
00:00:40.620 had suggested that President Trump had the authority to impose tariffs under that law,
00:00:47.040 a ruling from the 1970s, but he did not issue a court order.
00:00:51.220 According to the judge, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977
00:00:57.000 gave President Trump the authority to set tariffs for reasons other than just raising revenue.
00:01:03.960 Judge Weatherall wrote that President Trump's justification for the tariffs,
00:01:09.020 both stemming the flow of illicit drugs into our country
00:01:12.200 and resolving the atrocious trade imbalances,
00:01:16.480 was sufficient to satisfy the terms originally set by Congress.
00:01:20.940 But rather than issue an order, Judge Weatherall punted the case from a federal court in South Florida
00:01:27.640 to the relatively obscure Court of International Trade in New York.
00:01:34.280 And that three-judge panel ruled late yesterday that the president had exceeded his authority
00:01:42.400 to impose tariffs on other countries under the IEPA, as it's called.
00:01:49.600 That three-judge panel at the U.S. Court of International Trade,
00:01:53.620 which is an extraordinarily low-profile court, looking up online, you see almost nothing,
00:01:59.000 ruled Wednesday to set a temporary halt in President Trump's global tariff effort
00:02:05.040 that he imposed citing these emergency economic powers back on April 2nd.
00:02:10.300 You remember that? It was what he called Liberation Day.
00:02:14.380 Well, now, the president, before we were off the air yesterday,
00:02:19.400 the president had appealed that to the federal courts,
00:02:23.900 and only hours ago, a federal appeals court temporarily reinstated President Trump's tariffs
00:02:31.400 after the Court of International Trade in New York said the president had exceeded his authority
00:02:38.180 under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977.
00:02:44.980 The en banc court granted the Trump administration an immediate administrative leave less than 24 hours
00:02:53.260 after this ruling by an obscure court.
00:02:57.180 Strangely enough, one judge on the court did not participate.
00:03:02.540 The request for an immediate administrative stay is granted to the extent that the judgments
00:03:06.840 and the permanent injunctions entered by the Court of International Trade in this case
00:03:10.420 are temporarily stayed until further notice while the court considers the motion papers.
00:03:16.000 This is a smashing victory for President Donald Trump.
00:03:21.240 Once again, we see the same thing, where the courts are attempting to exceed their authority
00:03:27.300 and disrupt the executive authority granted to President Donald Trump under the U.S. Constitution
00:03:34.060 and affirmed in the last presidential election.
00:03:38.220 According to CNN, the federal court's ruling in Wednesday's injunction,
00:03:43.180 30% tariffs on China, 25% tariffs on some goods imported from Mexico and Canada,
00:03:49.300 and the 10% universal tariffs on most goods coming into the United States would have been halted.
00:03:57.160 According to CNN, the obscure ruling did not affect the 25% tariffs on autos, auto parts, steel, or aluminum,
00:04:06.220 which were subject to Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, a different,
00:04:13.180 which is broader trade agreement.
00:04:16.700 This is going to be an ongoing issue, folks, in which liberal Democrat jurists,
00:04:22.600 who are anything but apolitical, on the federal courts seek to undo the results of the last election.
00:04:30.220 President Donald Trump has no choice but to quickly appeal these demented and baseless rulings,
00:04:38.020 with, of course, the final backstop being the U.S. Supreme Court.
00:04:43.740 We saw this previously, when the courts ruled that President Donald Trump did not have the constitutional authority
00:04:50.780 to deport illegal immigrant gang members with criminal records from the United States, as well as all illegals.
00:05:00.760 We went through this same rigmarole, but with the U.S. Supreme Court finally ruling that Trump did have that authority
00:05:09.740 so that deportations of dangerous criminals could then proceed.
00:05:14.720 In the meantime, Dan Bongino, deputy director of the FBI, revealed shockingly that the FBI, under James Comey,
00:05:24.080 had intentionally mishandled and hidden substantial evidence from the American public in a secret safe room,
00:05:31.740 and that the contents of this room had been discovered and would soon be known to the American public.
00:05:38.080 While discussing the remaining Comey loyalists in the FBI building,
00:05:44.180 Bongino announced that the FBI discovered an entire room of mishandled and hidden evidence from the Comey years.
00:05:52.020 He actually went on to say the FBI is working now to declassify these documents,
00:05:55.920 and once that occurs, the public will be shocked to learn what is there.
00:06:01.280 Bongino said,
00:06:02.260 Wait till you read the stuff that's coming out.
00:06:04.340 There are people there who are really horrified at what happened.
00:06:07.160 There was a room, and we found a lot of stuff, a hidden room.
00:06:10.740 Well, I wouldn't call it hidden, but hidden from us at least, and not revealed to us.
00:06:15.380 We found stuff in there, and a lot of it, most of it, from the Comey era, quoting Dan Bongino himself.
00:06:22.080 We are doing our damnedest to declassify this as soon as we can.
00:06:26.280 Once that gets done, you will read a lot of the stuff that were discovered.
00:06:29.620 Now, I'm going to assume that yesterday's revelations that Nellie Orr, who was the wife of the FBI official Bruce Orr,
00:06:41.940 who was one of the perpetrators of the Russian collusion hoax,
00:06:46.020 and who clearly, based on documents released by Senator Chuck Grassley, chairman of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday,
00:06:54.900 lied under oath to help cover up the entire Russian collusion operation,
00:07:01.240 which was, as we've said on the show many times,
00:07:03.660 the largest single dirty trick in the history of American politics.
00:07:09.120 It was an abuse of power in which the full authority of the United States government
00:07:14.360 and the extraordinary capabilities of our intelligence agencies
00:07:18.840 were used utilizing what the FBI and the CIA and the Justice Department and the White House,
00:07:26.540 under Barack Obama knew, was completely fabricated evidence,
00:07:31.500 the so-called Steele dossier,
00:07:34.400 and the false claim that they still try to circulate
00:07:38.260 that the Democrat National Committee had been hacked by Russian intelligence.
00:07:45.260 They have never produced any evidence to sustain that.
00:07:49.060 They point to the report of a company called CrowdStrikes,
00:07:53.960 after it was learned during my trial,
00:07:56.800 that the FBI admits they never inspected the computer servers of the DNC.
00:08:01.960 They relied on this company CrowdStrike.
00:08:04.580 That CrowdStrike report remained classified,
00:08:08.160 but the head of CrowdStrike, Sean Henry,
00:08:11.320 who just coincidentally happened to be a former deputy of Robert Mueller's at the FBI,
00:08:16.500 admitted under oath to the House committee investigating the Russian collusion hoax,
00:08:23.000 that he had found no evidence whatsoever of any Russian hack.
00:08:28.120 So Bongino says that this material will be released.
00:08:33.540 He also implies a great deal it had to do with the Russian collusion hoax.
00:08:38.740 He also spoke, again, about the attempted assassinations of President Donald Trump,
00:08:45.200 and he insisted yet again that everything that there is to know is known.
00:08:54.120 He was particularly critical of former FBI Director Jim Comey,
00:08:59.100 saying, and I agree,
00:09:00.400 this man is a disgrace to the badge, the FBI, and the country,
00:09:03.580 taking personal shots while you're on the beach implying a threat towards the president,
00:09:07.820 and then blaming his wife for it,
00:09:10.480 which, if you followed this curcuffle, you know is exactly what Comey did.
00:09:16.880 Meanwhile, one of President Trump's chief executive officers predicted
00:09:23.400 that the legislative agenda passed by the U.S. House,
00:09:29.560 the big, beautiful bill would make America,
00:09:34.340 every American family, $10,000 richer.
00:09:39.040 This came, of course, from Kevin Hassett,
00:09:43.160 the Director of the National Economic Council,
00:09:45.740 and he went on to say that the Congress recently passed big, beautiful bill,
00:09:50.980 which includes the greatest single tax increase, tax decrease in American history,
00:09:58.620 not to mention the doing away with the tax on tips,
00:10:04.480 doing away with the tax on Social Security and retirement,
00:10:08.840 providing a new tax credit for those who buy their car or truck from a U.S. company,
00:10:15.960 a vehicle made here, is the greatest single tax cut in American history,
00:10:22.560 and therefore, if you voted against it,
00:10:25.600 well, then you would be getting a 65% tax increase in January.
00:10:30.920 If the Republicans in the Senate don't pass the big, beautiful bill,
00:10:34.320 as President Trump calls it,
00:10:35.820 it would therefore be the greatest tax hike in history.
00:10:39.980 Meantime, on Monday,
00:10:41.440 Federal Housing and Finance Agency Director Bill Pulte
00:10:45.480 called on the Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell
00:10:49.540 to lower interest rates.
00:10:52.040 Enough is enough.
00:10:53.660 President Trump has crushed Biden's inflation,
00:10:56.660 according to Pulte,
00:10:57.600 and there's no reason not to lower rates.
00:11:00.240 The housing markets would be in much better shape
00:11:03.340 if Chairman Powell would do this now.
00:11:06.040 This is just the latest effort to influence Powell
00:11:08.760 and comes after the Supreme Court ruled last week
00:11:11.620 that Trump can't fire the head of the Federal Reserve.
00:11:15.680 There are many who have urged the President to do so,
00:11:19.280 but sadly, he does not have that authority.
00:11:22.380 The only thing that Congress can do here, of course,
00:11:24.920 is to repeal the entire Federal Reserve Act,
00:11:28.460 which, frankly, Congressman Ron Paul advocated years ago,
00:11:34.240 and I think would be an excellent first step.
00:11:36.900 One other point here, and that is, you remember,
00:11:40.200 some months ago, Elon Musk,
00:11:43.400 who was then heading the Department of Government Efficiency,
00:11:46.680 said that he was going to examine our gold reserves
00:11:50.400 that were held in Fort Knox, Kentucky,
00:11:53.860 with a very large section of our gold reserves
00:11:57.280 held by the New York Federal Reserve in New York City.
00:12:02.160 The gold has not been seen since 1974.
00:12:08.620 You notice how you've heard nothing whatsoever about that
00:12:12.720 since that time?
00:12:14.340 I mean, where is the gold?
00:12:16.780 Is the gold still there?
00:12:19.320 If we learned that the gold was not there,
00:12:21.520 if it had been pilfered or sold or stolen,
00:12:24.840 would it really change anything?
00:12:26.200 Since our dollar is no longer pegged to gold,
00:12:29.640 that the dollar in your pocket,
00:12:32.240 the printed money you carry around,
00:12:34.140 is backed by the full faith and credit of the United States,
00:12:38.140 in other words, nothing,
00:12:39.420 not a basket of commodities,
00:12:40.800 not gold, not silver,
00:12:42.860 this would be a scandal,
00:12:44.560 but it's unclear,
00:12:45.880 if the gold is not there,
00:12:48.000 what the economic fallout would actually be.
00:12:51.940 I'm kind of curious to know
00:12:54.740 whether the gold is still there
00:12:56.660 or whether it isn't.
00:12:58.720 Maybe we will yet find out.
00:13:01.580 But now the action turns to the U.S. Senate
00:13:04.700 to see what they'll do with the big, beautiful bill.
00:13:08.380 Now, Republicans are right to criticize
00:13:09.940 the fact that there aren't enough spending cuts
00:13:12.560 in this bill.
00:13:14.620 Elon Musk showed us the way.
00:13:16.380 He outlined trillions of potential savings
00:13:18.720 and waste, fraud, and corruption.
00:13:21.140 And whether or not Republicans have the guts
00:13:24.220 to actually cut spending
00:13:26.220 rather than just talk about it,
00:13:28.200 well, that remains to be seen.
00:13:30.580 We'll be talking about this more in the Stone Zones.
00:13:32.960 Whatever you do,
00:13:34.140 please stick with us and don't touch that dial.
00:13:36.960 Later in the program,
00:13:38.080 we're going to be joined by Rod Martin
00:13:40.280 of the Rod Martin Report.
00:13:42.140 He is one of the savviest economic
00:13:44.280 and political analysts in the country.
00:13:47.120 This guy was one of the founders of PayPal.
00:13:49.400 He's very smart and he knows what he's talking about.
00:13:52.060 We'll be right back.
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00:14:40.920 So, it seems to me that we're at a crossroads
00:14:45.820 if the big, beautiful bill is not passed.
00:14:49.320 The Council of Economics Advisors projects
00:14:51.960 that we'll have a recession,
00:14:53.480 a really deep recession,
00:14:54.940 perhaps a decline of 4% of gross domestic product.
00:14:59.660 On the other hand, if we pass the bill,
00:15:01.980 you're going to see striking economic growth,
00:15:04.200 just like we saw in 2018 and 2019
00:15:06.840 after the previous Trump tax cuts.
00:15:09.480 Their modeling said that we'd have
00:15:12.500 a $4,000 per person increase in income,
00:15:16.620 also about a $10,000 increase for income
00:15:19.780 for the typical family just over a couple of years.
00:15:24.200 So, this is going to be a crucial,
00:15:27.700 crucial vote in the U.S. Senate,
00:15:29.800 and we'll see if Republicans are serious.
00:15:32.860 They don't have the kind of spending cuts
00:15:35.960 in the big, beautiful bill that I had hoped.
00:15:38.020 Elon Musk gave them the roadmap.
00:15:41.140 We did hear from the White House
00:15:43.020 that they will put forward a rescission bill
00:15:45.380 that would cut spending by $94 billion.
00:15:50.220 That sounds like a lot,
00:15:51.540 but it's about 5% of the proposed cuts
00:15:55.260 that Elon Musk actually found.
00:15:57.300 So, it's really kind of anemic
00:15:59.720 in the greater scheme of things.
00:16:02.340 Remember, there are three steps
00:16:04.540 in Donald Trump's planned reviver economy.
00:16:07.660 Actually, four,
00:16:08.920 if you're including getting energy prices down.
00:16:11.340 That's already happened.
00:16:12.920 We've had a sharp decline
00:16:15.800 in the cost of a gallon of gasoline.
00:16:18.680 We also need tax reduction
00:16:20.820 on the working families of America.
00:16:23.460 No, the tax cuts are not just for the rich.
00:16:26.500 They're across the board.
00:16:28.640 And, of course, the tariffs,
00:16:31.300 where we're going to get an even playing field.
00:16:34.440 Until his press conference,
00:16:36.100 after he announced his tariff efforts
00:16:38.420 on the Liberation Day, as he called it,
00:16:43.020 most Americans didn't realize
00:16:44.600 that virtually every one of our trading partners
00:16:47.060 is charging us a higher tariff rate
00:16:49.840 than we are charging them.
00:16:51.760 When you know that,
00:16:53.680 you see the president's demands
00:16:55.420 don't look that draconian.
00:16:58.200 Lastly, I had to chuckle about this.
00:17:00.500 In his new book,
00:17:01.460 Jake Tapper revealed
00:17:02.520 that former Vice President Kamala Harris
00:17:04.660 was very angry
00:17:06.160 when Joe Biden wore a Trump 2024 hat
00:17:11.640 during a September 11th memorial event.
00:17:14.480 After seeing Biden's actions
00:17:16.060 turn into a viral video,
00:17:18.400 Kamala asked her staffers,
00:17:20.040 what the heck is he doing?
00:17:22.640 She said,
00:17:23.160 this is completely unhelpful
00:17:24.620 and so unnecessary.
00:17:26.700 Tapper reported
00:17:27.420 that this was the final straw for Harris,
00:17:29.280 who stated she would not do a public event
00:17:32.000 with Joe Biden ever again.
00:17:34.960 I suspect that Joe Biden
00:17:36.580 was still more popular than she was
00:17:38.280 by Election Day of 2024.
00:17:40.560 But Joe Biden's putting on that Trump hat.
00:17:43.980 What was that all about?
00:17:45.660 Could that be because he was very angry
00:17:48.400 about being dumped from the Democrat ticket
00:17:50.740 against his will?
00:17:52.700 Joe didn't want to go.
00:17:54.040 He was forced out by Barack Obama
00:17:55.840 and quickly replaced
00:17:57.380 in an undemocratic process
00:17:59.120 in which not a single Democrat primary
00:18:01.720 or caucus voter voted.
00:18:04.340 These are the people
00:18:05.520 constantly whining about democracy.
00:18:08.840 You're in the Stone Zone.
00:18:10.440 We're going to be right back
00:18:11.320 with Rod Martin of the Rod Martin Report.
00:18:13.800 So please don't touch that dial.
00:18:16.260 We'll be back in the Stone Zone
00:18:17.420 in just a minute.
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00:18:37.760 Welcome back into the Stone Zone.
00:18:40.620 Substack, substack.com,
00:18:43.260 is a place where writers
00:18:44.960 and thinkers,
00:18:46.320 right, left, and center,
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00:18:54.720 because, well,
00:18:55.840 they're not politically correct
00:18:57.280 or they may be offbeat
00:18:59.020 or they may be off
00:19:00.520 the official fake news narrative.
00:19:04.240 Among the liveliest takes there
00:19:07.260 is Rod Martin.
00:19:10.480 Rod D. Martin
00:19:11.440 has the
00:19:12.540 Rod D. Martin Report.
00:19:15.420 The Martin Report,
00:19:16.100 I urge you to check it out.
00:19:17.440 And the man himself
00:19:18.980 joins us now,
00:19:20.160 Rod Martin.
00:19:22.320 Great to be here.
00:19:23.420 Thank you.
00:19:24.720 So I should tell folks
00:19:26.160 you are an entrepreneur,
00:19:27.560 a founder and CEO
00:19:28.700 of Martin Capital,
00:19:29.940 an investor,
00:19:30.840 a futurist,
00:19:31.860 one of the guys
00:19:32.780 that helped start PayPal.
00:19:34.080 You're a staunch
00:19:35.040 anti-communist.
00:19:36.100 What I love is the fact
00:19:37.100 that you're also a thinker.
00:19:39.240 And the Rod Martin Report
00:19:40.920 on Substack
00:19:42.000 is a fountain of ideas
00:19:44.540 and free expression.
00:19:46.380 So I want to jump right into it
00:19:48.880 because these court rulings
00:19:50.480 are coming so fast
00:19:51.520 you could get whiplash
00:19:52.520 if you try to pay attention.
00:19:54.380 But yesterday,
00:19:55.640 we were told
00:19:56.180 this incredibly obscure
00:19:58.460 international trade court,
00:20:01.120 which frankly,
00:20:01.640 I've never heard of before,
00:20:03.220 in Manhattan,
00:20:04.200 had suddenly ruled
00:20:06.880 that President Donald Trump
00:20:08.160 didn't have the authority
00:20:09.240 to go out
00:20:09.760 and negotiate trade deals
00:20:11.240 with other countries.
00:20:12.800 Now,
00:20:13.520 just hours ago,
00:20:15.700 a new federal appeals court
00:20:18.620 has overruled that.
00:20:20.540 You just wrote
00:20:21.260 a great hot take on this.
00:20:23.340 Rod,
00:20:23.680 give us your take.
00:20:24.480 Well,
00:20:26.860 it's completely absurd.
00:20:28.620 It's a true travesty.
00:20:30.160 And I give you
00:20:31.060 about 1,800 words
00:20:32.200 of analysis
00:20:32.840 on rodmartin.org
00:20:34.800 on exactly that.
00:20:36.680 It came out
00:20:37.080 about half an hour ago.
00:20:39.040 The appeals court
00:20:40.900 stayed the ruling
00:20:43.720 for now.
00:20:44.880 So,
00:20:45.660 the Trump administration
00:20:46.820 will have an opportunity
00:20:47.860 to appeal this.
00:20:48.960 they seem to be
00:20:51.080 going straight
00:20:51.600 to the Supreme Court.
00:20:52.740 Maybe they go
00:20:53.220 to the appeals court first.
00:20:55.040 But,
00:20:55.340 in the meantime,
00:20:56.300 the tariffs continue.
00:20:57.840 That's what President Donald Trump has.
00:21:00.220 The problem here is
00:21:01.860 the grounds
00:21:03.000 on which
00:21:03.700 they overruled him.
00:21:05.620 They
00:21:06.080 actually applied
00:21:07.620 very strictly
00:21:08.440 non-delegation doctrine,
00:21:10.140 which
00:21:10.500 all good conservatives
00:21:12.080 would support.
00:21:13.240 We don't believe
00:21:13.840 that Congress
00:21:14.460 should have the right
00:21:15.340 to delegate
00:21:16.420 legislative authority
00:21:18.080 to administrative agencies,
00:21:21.000 the executive branch,
00:21:21.960 generally.
00:21:22.800 But that's not really
00:21:23.680 the situation here.
00:21:25.140 This is a foreign policy issue,
00:21:27.540 not a legislative issue.
00:21:29.780 Congress has clearly
00:21:31.180 acted in repeated acts
00:21:33.440 going back to 1930
00:21:35.080 to permit
00:21:36.820 and enable
00:21:38.780 the President
00:21:39.560 to use tariffs
00:21:41.440 as a tool
00:21:42.460 in the conduct
00:21:43.660 of American foreign policy.
00:21:46.060 And this has never been
00:21:47.380 meaningfully challenged.
00:21:49.420 This court,
00:21:50.300 yeah,
00:21:51.220 I think these people
00:21:52.060 had never heard of.
00:21:53.460 It was started in 1980,
00:21:55.720 but it's the successor
00:21:56.900 to the old
00:21:57.620 U.S. Customs Court,
00:21:58.860 which was established
00:21:59.640 in 1890.
00:22:01.700 And in all of that time,
00:22:03.860 none of these
00:22:04.740 activist Democrats
00:22:06.100 have ever seen fit
00:22:07.880 to question
00:22:08.760 when Barack Obama
00:22:10.000 imposed tariffs
00:22:11.240 or Joe Biden
00:22:12.860 maintained
00:22:13.740 presidentially imposed tariffs
00:22:15.740 or Jimmy Carter
00:22:17.240 or Lyndon Johnson
00:22:18.460 or R.C.R.
00:22:19.620 It's a complete
00:22:21.080 political circus.
00:22:23.620 It is shameful
00:22:24.480 and it simply
00:22:25.740 isn't the law.
00:22:27.020 Yeah,
00:22:27.660 it's,
00:22:28.280 as you say,
00:22:28.880 it's madness.
00:22:30.000 But we saw
00:22:30.460 the same thing
00:22:31.240 surrounding the question
00:22:32.680 of whether the president
00:22:33.640 had the authority
00:22:34.860 to deport
00:22:35.980 illegal immigrant
00:22:37.640 gang members
00:22:38.980 with criminal records
00:22:40.700 in many cases
00:22:41.400 who are very clear
00:22:42.300 danger
00:22:42.820 to those around them
00:22:44.660 and to the country.
00:22:45.760 We actually had
00:22:46.400 a court rule
00:22:47.700 that the president
00:22:48.300 had no such authority,
00:22:49.480 which of course he does.
00:22:50.880 The Supreme Court
00:22:51.580 ultimately stepped in.
00:22:53.640 I'm hopeful
00:22:54.140 that they will do so again.
00:22:56.220 Now,
00:22:56.660 one of the things
00:22:57.240 I like
00:22:58.120 about
00:22:58.980 the stuff you put up
00:23:00.760 at rodmartin.org
00:23:02.160 and that you also
00:23:03.320 have at Substack
00:23:04.280 is the fact
00:23:05.440 that you've actually
00:23:06.300 read
00:23:06.800 the art of the deal.
00:23:08.800 So,
00:23:09.400 you actually understand
00:23:10.820 our 45th
00:23:11.740 and our 47th
00:23:13.440 president.
00:23:15.240 That in itself,
00:23:16.680 I think,
00:23:17.920 is one of the reasons
00:23:18.980 why your observations
00:23:20.100 are so
00:23:20.660 on the money.
00:23:22.800 Give me your overall
00:23:23.920 take on
00:23:24.640 the president's
00:23:26.260 tariff strategy
00:23:27.880 because I've said
00:23:28.960 on this show
00:23:29.600 and elsewhere,
00:23:30.440 I actually don't believe
00:23:31.460 that Donald Trump
00:23:31.980 loves tariffs.
00:23:33.060 I think he'd love
00:23:33.780 to have no tariffs.
00:23:34.620 He'd like to have
00:23:35.120 an even playing field
00:23:36.020 with no tariffs
00:23:36.720 between any countries
00:23:38.280 where we can sell
00:23:39.000 whatever we want
00:23:39.560 in their country
00:23:40.180 and vice versa.
00:23:41.440 But that's not
00:23:42.280 what we have.
00:23:43.480 People say,
00:23:44.160 oh,
00:23:44.360 you're against
00:23:45.000 free trade.
00:23:46.040 Well,
00:23:46.260 we want fair trade
00:23:47.480 and the trade
00:23:47.960 hasn't been fair.
00:23:49.420 So,
00:23:49.780 the president
00:23:50.320 uses tariffs
00:23:52.100 as a cudgel
00:23:53.160 and frankly,
00:23:54.640 based on what I've seen,
00:23:56.280 so far,
00:23:56.820 it appears to be working.
00:23:58.420 But I'm more interested
00:23:59.100 in your take.
00:24:00.860 You're absolutely
00:24:02.180 singing my song
00:24:03.340 and
00:24:03.900 this takes
00:24:04.940 again and again
00:24:05.640 on Fox Business
00:24:06.540 and other fora
00:24:08.000 because it's just
00:24:10.160 plain as day.
00:24:11.000 Donald Trump
00:24:11.780 has made his position
00:24:13.080 clear.
00:24:14.320 I would say
00:24:15.600 possibly most clearly
00:24:17.400 at the 2018
00:24:19.780 G7 meeting
00:24:21.280 where he just stood up
00:24:22.660 and he told them,
00:24:23.780 look,
00:24:24.200 I'm a working guy.
00:24:26.320 Obviously,
00:24:27.240 the right outcome
00:24:28.040 is to have no trade
00:24:29.400 barriers whatsoever.
00:24:31.380 That's going to be
00:24:32.080 prosperity for everybody.
00:24:33.980 But you guys
00:24:34.860 won't play ball.
00:24:35.820 And they wouldn't
00:24:37.820 and they didn't.
00:24:38.960 And so,
00:24:39.480 now we get
00:24:39.980 the reciprocal tariffs
00:24:41.220 just to jerk
00:24:42.980 their chains
00:24:44.000 that everybody
00:24:45.840 misses
00:24:46.560 and I don't
00:24:47.920 understand why
00:24:48.860 is that
00:24:50.120 America
00:24:50.680 is the largest
00:24:51.440 consumer market
00:24:52.440 in the world.
00:24:53.660 Everybody
00:24:54.260 who exports
00:24:55.440 has to sell
00:24:56.740 to us
00:24:57.580 and by the way,
00:24:58.680 a lot of these countries
00:24:59.520 are heavily dependent
00:25:01.080 on the export sector
00:25:02.620 of their economy.
00:25:03.540 Germany
00:25:04.500 is 48%
00:25:05.820 of their economy.
00:25:07.080 China
00:25:07.460 more than 20%
00:25:09.120 of their economy
00:25:09.940 and some of that
00:25:11.360 gets trans-shipped
00:25:12.540 through Vietnam
00:25:13.200 and different places.
00:25:14.540 Doesn't matter.
00:25:15.740 You know,
00:25:15.960 the bottom line is
00:25:16.980 without the U.S. market
00:25:18.120 China goes into
00:25:19.180 a depression
00:25:19.880 and so would Germany
00:25:21.560 and so would
00:25:22.580 much of the world.
00:25:23.700 They need us
00:25:24.580 more than we need them.
00:25:26.140 So, of course,
00:25:26.740 Donald Trump
00:25:27.240 understands that.
00:25:28.280 That sort of
00:25:28.920 gets to be insane
00:25:29.960 and you mentioned
00:25:30.600 the artist deal.
00:25:31.440 I would also like
00:25:32.880 to single out
00:25:33.740 what I think
00:25:34.660 is actually
00:25:35.520 the reason
00:25:36.080 that is 1997
00:25:38.120 The Art of the Combat
00:25:39.520 which is just
00:25:40.820 extraordinary
00:25:41.600 particularly
00:25:42.960 in the last chapter
00:25:45.380 which goes on
00:25:46.620 at length
00:25:47.460 about his
00:25:48.500 political views
00:25:49.900 and it reads
00:25:51.240 just like
00:25:52.320 a campaign statement
00:25:53.440 from 2016
00:25:54.580 or 2024.
00:25:56.520 It's extraordinary
00:25:57.560 how consistent
00:25:58.520 this man
00:25:59.120 has been over time
00:26:00.120 hoping at picking up
00:26:01.320 a pro-life position
00:26:02.420 along the way
00:26:03.300 but otherwise
00:26:04.340 he's as consistent
00:26:05.820 as the day is long
00:26:07.660 and the people
00:26:08.800 who have done
00:26:09.660 the homework
00:26:10.220 and won't do
00:26:11.160 the reading
00:26:11.640 always get him wrong
00:26:13.460 always misunderstanding
00:26:15.100 and they're not
00:26:16.140 going to get any better.
00:26:17.840 Yeah, I completely agree.
00:26:18.920 I would also point out
00:26:19.980 his book
00:26:20.540 The America We Deserve
00:26:21.760 in which he actually
00:26:22.780 foresees
00:26:24.600 the rising threat
00:26:25.880 of Islamic terrorism
00:26:27.040 and he actually
00:26:28.220 predicts the attack
00:26:29.340 on America
00:26:29.960 on 9-11
00:26:31.320 an extraordinary book.
00:26:33.740 I agree with you
00:26:34.660 the only issue
00:26:35.640 frankly
00:26:36.140 on which he's
00:26:36.880 really changed
00:26:37.600 is I think
00:26:38.920 with the birth
00:26:39.540 of his son
00:26:40.500 Barron
00:26:40.980 he became pro-life
00:26:42.720 I think that gave him
00:26:43.680 a new appreciation
00:26:45.040 but beyond that
00:26:46.640 if you go back
00:26:47.520 and look at the speech
00:26:48.420 he gave in New Hampshire
00:26:49.380 in 1988
00:26:51.380 when he spoke
00:26:53.260 to the Plymouth
00:26:54.080 New Hampshire
00:26:54.680 Chamber of Commerce
00:26:56.100 many people said
00:26:56.980 oh is he running
00:26:57.660 for president
00:26:58.240 is he going to New Hampshire
00:26:59.460 because he's running
00:27:00.020 for president
00:27:00.480 no he's going to New Hampshire
00:27:01.460 to get exposure
00:27:02.620 for his ideas
00:27:03.440 he talked about
00:27:04.660 the folly
00:27:05.380 of the trade deals
00:27:06.300 this was pre-GAT
00:27:07.460 pre-NAFTA
00:27:08.580 but he said
00:27:09.580 we're getting killed
00:27:10.520 in these trade deals
00:27:11.300 we send
00:27:11.900 social workers
00:27:13.200 they send killers
00:27:14.340 they send their best
00:27:15.660 and brightest
00:27:16.160 we send bureaucrats
00:27:17.820 we're getting rolled
00:27:18.800 and why are we
00:27:20.600 continuing to pay
00:27:21.620 a disproportionate amount
00:27:23.300 for the protection
00:27:24.860 of Europe
00:27:25.340 why are our
00:27:26.380 NATO allies
00:27:27.900 not paying
00:27:29.180 their fair share
00:27:30.440 for their own protection
00:27:32.340 I remember this
00:27:33.320 like it was yesterday
00:27:34.160 he said
00:27:34.680 look I understood
00:27:35.400 that after World War II
00:27:37.120 they were devastated
00:27:38.900 they were destroyed
00:27:40.020 they were broke
00:27:40.820 we were still
00:27:41.620 relatively prosperous
00:27:42.980 and the Marshall Plan
00:27:45.300 was necessary
00:27:46.100 and so on
00:27:47.480 but now
00:27:48.220 with our economy
00:27:50.120 in trouble
00:27:50.860 why are they
00:27:52.380 not paying
00:27:53.020 their fair share
00:27:53.600 this was 1988
00:27:54.640 of course
00:27:55.240 in 2017
00:27:56.920 he made
00:27:58.520 our NATO allies
00:28:00.280 pony up
00:28:01.100 every one of them
00:28:01.920 was behind
00:28:02.980 in their payments
00:28:03.640 and every one of them
00:28:04.600 was forced to
00:28:05.540 cough up
00:28:06.380 millions and millions
00:28:07.660 of dollars
00:28:08.240 Rod you wrote this
00:28:09.600 and I loved it
00:28:10.320 speaking of Trump's
00:28:12.860 use
00:28:13.940 and maneuvering
00:28:15.740 for tariffs
00:28:16.260 you said
00:28:16.700 this is like
00:28:17.860 Reagan's
00:28:18.640 zero option
00:28:19.700 all over again
00:28:20.440 Reagan deployed
00:28:21.740 a large number
00:28:22.540 of nuclear weapons
00:28:24.180 to Europe
00:28:24.720 to counter
00:28:25.620 the Soviets
00:28:26.320 similar deployment
00:28:27.560 while proposing
00:28:28.800 that all such weapons
00:28:30.020 should be banned
00:28:30.840 everyone laughed
00:28:32.260 until 1987
00:28:33.280 when he achieved
00:28:35.020 exactly that
00:28:36.060 but speaking of
00:28:37.480 Reagan
00:28:37.780 who you and I
00:28:38.720 agree is
00:28:39.420 one of the 20th century's
00:28:40.860 greatest presidents
00:28:41.720 he also used
00:28:43.380 market power
00:28:44.320 specifically
00:28:44.960 a huge arms race
00:28:46.820 coupled with
00:28:47.840 collapsing the price
00:28:48.900 of energy
00:28:49.420 from which
00:28:50.160 Russian derived
00:28:51.040 the cash
00:28:51.500 it needed
00:28:51.840 to continue
00:28:52.400 to compete
00:28:52.960 and he bankrupted
00:28:54.520 the Soviet Union
00:28:55.600 Trump
00:28:56.380 remember this lesson
00:28:57.600 and now you say
00:28:58.860 China is learning us
00:29:00.640 talk to us
00:29:01.440 about China
00:29:02.200 China
00:29:03.040 you were talking
00:29:05.320 about how
00:29:05.960 Trump is
00:29:06.520 checkmating China
00:29:07.920 expand on that
00:29:08.880 if you would
00:29:09.640 well you're exactly
00:29:11.560 right
00:29:12.020 this is
00:29:12.720 this is
00:29:13.760 Reagan's
00:29:14.600 zero
00:29:15.520 option strategy
00:29:17.260 from what became
00:29:19.420 the Intermediate
00:29:20.200 Nuclear Forces
00:29:21.020 Treaty
00:29:21.440 in 1987
00:29:22.720 when Reagan
00:29:24.020 put it out there
00:29:25.100 everybody called him
00:29:27.180 crazy
00:29:27.580 on both sides
00:29:28.740 of the aisle
00:29:29.380 but he was right
00:29:30.800 you know
00:29:31.440 putting pressure
00:29:32.420 on the Soviets
00:29:33.520 by deploying
00:29:34.860 nuclear missiles
00:29:35.860 both the cruise missiles
00:29:36.960 and the Persian 2
00:29:38.020 put the Russians
00:29:39.400 in a position
00:29:40.160 where they
00:29:41.300 absolutely
00:29:42.460 had
00:29:43.120 tons of reason
00:29:44.800 to actually
00:29:46.080 abolish
00:29:46.960 an entire
00:29:47.960 class of nuclear weapons
00:29:49.420 it's the only time
00:29:50.500 it's ever happened
00:29:51.180 and that was
00:29:52.300 highly successful
00:29:53.160 and it was just
00:29:53.760 because Reagan
00:29:54.400 was a visionary
00:29:55.100 and willing
00:29:56.140 to go for the deal
00:29:57.420 that these days
00:29:58.820 Trump would go for
00:30:00.100 that most of our
00:30:01.460 political class
00:30:02.300 doesn't have the
00:30:03.060 creativity
00:30:03.620 to even imagine
00:30:04.620 and they're horrified
00:30:05.740 by the concept
00:30:06.740 same thing
00:30:07.920 with using
00:30:08.500 the Saudi alliance
00:30:10.180 to collapse
00:30:11.240 the price
00:30:11.780 of the oil
00:30:12.360 and that's
00:30:13.980 where
00:30:14.160 you just saw
00:30:15.900 the trip
00:30:16.280 to the Middle East
00:30:17.100 where
00:30:17.880 we're buttressing
00:30:19.160 those alliances
00:30:20.180 we've got to bring
00:30:21.120 Israel
00:30:21.540 into an alliance
00:30:22.920 with Saudi Arabia
00:30:24.000 and the rest
00:30:25.080 of the Gulf states
00:30:25.840 and that's already
00:30:26.860 started
00:30:27.280 the Abraham Accords
00:30:28.400 but in the process
00:30:30.140 we're isolating
00:30:31.500 China
00:30:32.000 and Donald Trump
00:30:33.380 understands
00:30:34.140 perfectly
00:30:34.980 clearly
00:30:35.620 what the
00:30:36.180 Beltway class
00:30:37.180 has not
00:30:37.900 that China
00:30:39.140 is a geopolitical
00:30:40.280 threat
00:30:40.700 it's a
00:30:41.920 it's a
00:30:42.400 regime
00:30:42.880 run by
00:30:43.560 a communist
00:30:44.160 party
00:30:44.660 that
00:30:44.920 pretends
00:30:45.520 to
00:30:47.040 nuke
00:30:48.000 American cities
00:30:49.580 to invade
00:30:50.860 an American
00:30:51.740 ally
00:30:52.320 in Taiwan
00:30:53.280 this is not
00:30:54.500 Germany
00:30:55.000 this is not
00:30:56.100 Japan
00:30:56.560 this is not
00:30:57.700 a friend
00:30:58.500 this is at best
00:30:59.820 a frenemy
00:31:00.440 we have to
00:31:02.460 decouple
00:31:02.960 some of them
00:31:03.600 sufficiently
00:31:04.180 that we're not
00:31:04.920 dependent on them
00:31:05.740 for strategic
00:31:06.500 supply
00:31:07.080 and also
00:31:08.500 enough
00:31:09.320 that their
00:31:10.180 economy
00:31:10.840 is sufficiently
00:31:11.640 depressed
00:31:12.260 that they
00:31:12.740 can't afford
00:31:13.780 military
00:31:15.200 intervention
00:31:15.780 and an
00:31:17.200 invasion of
00:31:17.880 Taiwan
00:31:18.240 or potentially
00:31:19.340 Siberia
00:31:20.280 or whatever
00:31:21.000 they might
00:31:21.540 attempt
00:31:21.980 Trump gets it
00:31:23.880 everybody
00:31:24.740 before him
00:31:25.840 failed in this
00:31:26.880 regard
00:31:27.300 starting with
00:31:28.140 Bill Clinton
00:31:28.900 letting China
00:31:29.840 into the WTO
00:31:30.880 letting China
00:31:32.700 have most
00:31:33.520 favored nation
00:31:34.180 status
00:31:34.660 taking tons
00:31:37.040 of Chinese
00:31:37.620 campaign
00:31:38.120 cash
00:31:38.520 in the
00:31:38.800 96
00:31:39.160 election
00:31:39.900 the genesis
00:31:42.140 of our
00:31:42.960 violence
00:31:43.820 of these
00:31:44.380 people
00:31:44.720 I know
00:31:46.800 you're
00:31:46.960 absolutely
00:31:47.260 right
00:31:47.600 I often
00:31:48.260 say that
00:31:48.680 Richard Nixon
00:31:49.240 gets a
00:31:49.820 bum rap
00:31:50.360 people say
00:31:50.880 that Nixon
00:31:51.720 because he
00:31:52.480 restored economic
00:31:53.460 relations
00:31:54.100 with the
00:31:54.580 Chinese
00:31:54.940 is responsible
00:31:56.280 for the
00:31:57.140 threat that
00:31:58.000 China poses
00:31:59.020 today but
00:31:59.720 people don't
00:32:00.500 recognize
00:32:01.040 that at the
00:32:01.800 time that
00:32:02.200 Nixon went
00:32:02.640 to China
00:32:03.020 China was
00:32:03.660 a dirt
00:32:04.180 poor
00:32:04.580 agrarian
00:32:05.860 society
00:32:06.620 most homes
00:32:08.560 did not
00:32:08.920 have indoor
00:32:09.360 plumbing
00:32:09.740 the rural
00:32:11.520 areas didn't
00:32:12.100 even have
00:32:12.460 electricity
00:32:12.980 the country
00:32:14.320 had no
00:32:15.000 technological
00:32:15.720 capabilities
00:32:16.660 they had
00:32:17.860 a military
00:32:18.700 capability
00:32:19.480 but it was
00:32:20.080 antiquated
00:32:21.140 it wasn't
00:32:22.000 until the
00:32:22.560 Clintons
00:32:22.940 gave them
00:32:23.400 most favored
00:32:24.660 nation
00:32:25.360 trading status
00:32:26.400 and frankly
00:32:27.580 Bill Clinton
00:32:28.600 sold them
00:32:29.940 in the
00:32:31.280 the Laurel
00:32:32.380 scandal
00:32:32.820 sold them
00:32:33.440 our missile
00:32:34.520 targeting
00:32:35.160 technology
00:32:36.040 in return
00:32:36.920 for millions
00:32:37.520 of dollars
00:32:38.040 in illegal
00:32:38.600 campaign
00:32:39.100 contributions
00:32:39.720 these are
00:32:40.620 the things
00:32:41.040 that made
00:32:41.540 China
00:32:42.020 the danger
00:32:43.080 that it
00:32:43.620 is today
00:32:44.120 there was
00:32:44.480 no way
00:32:45.000 for Richard
00:32:45.940 Milhouse
00:32:46.540 Nixon
00:32:46.880 to see
00:32:47.860 that 30
00:32:48.540 years later
00:32:49.380 after he
00:32:50.440 played the
00:32:50.900 Russians off
00:32:51.520 against the
00:32:52.000 Chinese
00:32:52.400 and vice
00:32:52.880 versa
00:32:53.240 to secure
00:32:54.220 a strategic
00:32:54.800 arms limitation
00:32:55.740 agreement
00:32:56.320 which the
00:32:57.680 Russians were
00:32:58.200 going cold
00:32:59.080 until Nixon
00:33:00.240 announced he
00:33:00.780 was going to
00:33:01.220 visit Beijing
00:33:02.420 and then
00:33:03.400 suddenly they
00:33:03.940 wanted to
00:33:04.300 make a deal
00:33:04.920 there's no
00:33:05.880 way Nixon
00:33:06.340 could see
00:33:06.940 that China
00:33:07.700 would emerge
00:33:08.440 as the threat
00:33:09.180 that they
00:33:09.800 have become
00:33:10.840 folks if you're
00:33:12.100 just tuning in
00:33:12.880 if you're just
00:33:13.700 tuning in
00:33:14.220 this is the
00:33:14.920 Stone Zone
00:33:15.440 we're talking
00:33:16.180 to Rod
00:33:17.020 Martin
00:33:17.400 you can find
00:33:18.820 his great
00:33:19.440 stuff at
00:33:19.940 rodmartin.org
00:33:21.260 don't go away
00:33:22.740 because we'll be
00:33:23.480 right back
00:33:24.060 with a bit
00:33:24.960 more with
00:33:26.020 Rod Martin
00:33:26.760 talking about
00:33:27.540 the politics
00:33:28.640 of the day
00:33:29.540 right now
00:33:30.100 we're focused
00:33:30.680 on China
00:33:32.040 but I want
00:33:32.560 to ask him
00:33:33.000 when we come
00:33:33.420 back about
00:33:34.020 Russia
00:33:34.420 and about
00:33:35.740 Vladimir Putin
00:33:37.240 and the quest
00:33:38.560 for peace
00:33:39.260 in the
00:33:40.280 Ukraine
00:33:40.840 Russian war
00:33:41.940 again you're
00:33:43.200 in the Stone
00:33:43.760 Zone
00:33:44.020 I'm Roger Stone
00:33:44.980 he's Rod
00:33:46.060 Martin
00:33:46.460 of the
00:33:47.040 Rod Martin
00:33:47.580 Report
00:33:47.880 and we'll
00:33:48.520 be right
00:33:49.520 back
00:33:50.000 the Stone
00:33:51.540 Zone
00:33:52.020 on the
00:33:52.700 Red Apple
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00:34:03.160 entertaining
00:34:03.960 and informative
00:34:05.200 on the
00:34:05.800 Red Apple
00:34:06.320 Podcast
00:34:07.040 Network
00:34:07.460 we're back
00:34:10.160 in the
00:34:10.620 Stone Zone
00:34:11.140 we're talking
00:34:11.620 to Rod
00:34:12.380 Martin
00:34:12.980 of the
00:34:13.680 Rod Martin
00:34:14.240 Report
00:34:14.580 you can find
00:34:15.060 him in
00:34:15.320 rodmartin.org
00:34:16.840 or you can
00:34:17.640 find him
00:34:17.980 on Substack
00:34:18.860 his writings
00:34:20.340 are always
00:34:21.400 provocative
00:34:22.120 and exhilarating
00:34:23.320 Rod I want
00:34:24.600 to talk to you
00:34:25.020 specifically
00:34:25.500 about Syria
00:34:26.400 actually
00:34:27.500 because I
00:34:28.320 think this
00:34:28.700 is
00:34:29.320 Donald
00:34:30.640 Trump
00:34:31.020 testing
00:34:31.860 his theory
00:34:32.520 that he's
00:34:32.980 about
00:34:33.200 commerce
00:34:33.760 as you
00:34:34.380 say
00:34:34.640 not
00:34:35.240 chaos
00:34:36.000 and
00:34:37.020 taking
00:34:37.520 Syria
00:34:38.060 in out
00:34:38.500 of the
00:34:38.700 cold
00:34:39.080 restoring
00:34:40.080 diplomatic
00:34:40.640 relations
00:34:41.260 sending
00:34:42.000 our
00:34:42.600 ambassador
00:34:43.200 to
00:34:43.440 Turkey
00:34:43.800 Tom
00:34:44.680 Barrack
00:34:45.180 an
00:34:45.360 extraordinarily
00:34:45.980 able
00:34:46.760 individual
00:34:47.540 who I've
00:34:47.940 actually
00:34:48.280 been friends
00:34:49.060 with since
00:34:49.460 1972
00:34:50.500 as a
00:34:52.080 special
00:34:53.120 envoy
00:34:53.720 to go
00:34:54.560 meet with
00:34:55.100 the Syrians
00:34:55.740 I think
00:34:57.020 this is
00:34:57.560 truly
00:34:58.180 truly
00:34:58.740 brilliant
00:34:59.200 but
00:34:59.560 I don't
00:35:00.160 know
00:35:00.260 what
00:35:00.380 you
00:35:00.540 think
00:35:00.880 I
00:35:02.580 completely
00:35:03.000 agree
00:35:03.540 we have
00:35:04.760 tried
00:35:05.280 the
00:35:05.960 neocon
00:35:06.860 fantasy
00:35:07.700 now
00:35:08.460 for 25
00:35:09.120 years
00:35:09.660 and
00:35:10.320 what we
00:35:11.180 have
00:35:11.460 gotten
00:35:11.760 from that
00:35:12.440 is
00:35:12.900 not
00:35:13.600 that
00:35:13.900 great
00:35:14.300 it's
00:35:15.020 not
00:35:15.280 as
00:35:15.480 bad
00:35:15.760 as
00:35:15.920 some
00:35:16.120 people
00:35:16.400 would
00:35:16.600 say
00:35:16.960 I
00:35:17.220 have
00:35:17.480 to
00:35:17.620 commend
00:35:17.920 George
00:35:18.340 Bush
00:35:18.780 Iraq
00:35:19.880 is
00:35:20.080 still
00:35:20.240 a
00:35:20.380 functioning
00:35:20.740 democracy
00:35:21.380 it's
00:35:22.760 not
00:35:22.940 somewhere
00:35:23.260 I'd
00:35:23.600 want
00:35:23.740 to
00:35:23.860 live
00:35:24.180 but
00:35:24.420 it's
00:35:24.580 a
00:35:24.680 lot
00:35:24.860 better
00:35:25.100 than
00:35:25.300 it
00:35:25.440 was
00:35:25.820 the
00:35:26.340 question
00:35:26.780 is
00:35:27.240 was
00:35:28.060 it
00:35:28.240 worth
00:35:28.580 what
00:35:28.820 we
00:35:29.020 did
00:35:29.420 was
00:35:29.840 it
00:35:29.980 worth
00:35:30.240 what
00:35:30.440 we
00:35:30.600 spent
00:35:30.960 in
00:35:31.180 blood
00:35:31.440 and
00:35:31.620 treasure
00:35:31.980 and
00:35:32.420 of
00:35:32.560 course
00:35:32.720 you've
00:35:32.900 got
00:35:33.060 Afghanistan
00:35:33.580 which
00:35:34.040 is
00:35:34.180 a
00:35:34.280 catastrophe
00:35:34.840 and
00:35:35.480 Donald
00:35:35.740 Trump
00:35:36.080 goes
00:35:36.360 to
00:35:36.480 the
00:35:36.600 Middle
00:35:36.760 East
00:35:37.040 and
00:35:37.240 says
00:35:37.440 look
00:35:37.680 we're
00:35:37.860 not
00:35:38.020 going
00:35:38.160 to
00:35:38.260 talk
00:35:38.480 down
00:35:38.760 to
00:35:38.940 you
00:35:39.100 we're
00:35:39.380 not
00:35:39.680 going
00:35:39.880 to
00:35:40.000 moralize
00:35:40.740 at
00:35:41.100 you
00:35:41.340 we
00:35:41.940 don't
00:35:42.160 have
00:35:42.520 to
00:35:42.740 agree
00:35:43.120 on
00:35:43.400 everything
00:35:43.820 what
00:35:44.460 we
00:35:44.640 need
00:35:44.960 is
00:35:45.120 to
00:35:45.300 need
00:35:45.600 each
00:35:45.840 other
00:35:46.140 and
00:35:46.540 if
00:35:46.720 we
00:35:46.880 need
00:35:47.200 each
00:35:47.480 other
00:35:47.760 enough
00:35:48.240 we
00:35:48.840 won't
00:35:49.140 have
00:35:49.420 war
00:35:49.760 we
00:35:50.160 will
00:35:50.520 have
00:35:50.860 peace
00:35:51.260 we
00:35:51.740 will
00:35:52.120 get
00:35:52.420 rich
00:35:52.860 and
00:35:53.360 everyone
00:35:53.960 will
00:35:54.320 benefit
00:35:54.720 and
00:35:55.480 obviously
00:35:56.260 that's
00:35:56.520 a
00:35:56.640 winning
00:35:56.860 message
00:35:57.380 because
00:35:57.860 he
00:35:58.420 came
00:35:58.720 back
00:35:59.120 depending
00:35:59.700 on
00:35:59.960 how
00:36:00.160 you
00:36:00.360 count
00:36:00.680 it
00:36:00.860 with
00:36:01.320 about
00:36:01.980 three
00:36:02.500 trillion
00:36:03.260 dollars
00:36:03.800 in
00:36:04.180 new
00:36:04.420 investment
00:36:04.940 commitments
00:36:05.460 and
00:36:05.840 arms
00:36:06.160 purchases
00:36:06.640 from
00:36:07.360 Middle
00:36:07.620 Eastern
00:36:07.920 powers
00:36:08.440 that
00:36:09.000 have
00:36:09.380 every
00:36:09.660 reason
00:36:11.940 they
00:36:12.100 love
00:36:12.420 him
00:36:12.820 yeah
00:36:14.160 I
00:36:14.360 completely
00:36:14.840 agree
00:36:15.240 I
00:36:15.520 remember
00:36:16.000 this is
00:36:16.640 evocative
00:36:17.140 of the
00:36:17.420 way he
00:36:17.680 handled
00:36:17.980 North
00:36:18.240 Korea
00:36:18.560 remember
00:36:19.120 him
00:36:19.280 telling
00:36:19.520 me
00:36:19.700 right
00:36:19.900 after
00:36:20.080 he
00:36:20.180 was
00:36:20.300 elected
00:36:20.540 president
00:36:21.060 in
00:36:21.660 2016
00:36:22.180 he
00:36:22.480 met
00:36:22.680 with
00:36:22.820 Barack
00:36:23.360 Obama
00:36:23.720 and
00:36:23.920 Bill
00:36:24.060 Clinton
00:36:24.360 who
00:36:24.900 both
00:36:25.140 told
00:36:25.420 him
00:36:25.620 your
00:36:26.180 biggest
00:36:26.520 single
00:36:26.900 problem
00:36:27.360 is
00:36:28.000 this
00:36:28.520 this
00:36:29.140 lunatic
00:36:29.500 in
00:36:30.040 North
00:36:30.380 Korea
00:36:30.660 he's
00:36:30.920 a
00:36:31.020 maniac
00:36:31.300 and
00:36:31.920 Trump
00:36:32.100 said
00:36:32.300 well
00:36:32.420 what
00:36:32.540 is
00:36:32.660 he
00:36:32.740 saying
00:36:33.100 they
00:36:33.340 said
00:36:33.440 what
00:36:33.540 do
00:36:33.600 you
00:36:33.640 mean
00:36:33.840 Trump
00:36:34.640 said
00:36:34.760 what
00:36:34.920 is
00:36:35.100 he
00:36:35.200 saying
00:36:35.560 we
00:36:35.940 don't
00:36:36.080 know
00:36:36.220 what
00:36:36.320 he's
00:36:36.420 saying
00:36:36.580 we're
00:36:36.700 not
00:36:36.840 talking
00:36:37.140 to
00:36:37.340 him
00:36:37.520 and
00:36:38.320 Trump
00:36:38.520 said
00:36:38.660 well
00:36:38.780 don't
00:36:39.020 you
00:36:39.140 think
00:36:39.400 if
00:36:39.580 he's
00:36:40.180 on
00:36:40.440 the
00:36:40.580 verge
00:36:40.840 of
00:36:40.960 having
00:36:41.180 nuclear
00:36:41.500 weapons
00:36:41.840 as
00:36:42.020 you
00:36:42.140 say
00:36:42.360 he
00:36:42.520 is
00:36:42.660 don't
00:36:43.200 you
00:36:43.320 think
00:36:43.520 you'd
00:36:43.680 be
00:36:43.780 wise
00:36:44.100 to
00:36:44.260 be
00:36:44.400 in
00:36:44.520 a
00:36:44.640 dialogue
00:36:45.020 and
00:36:45.280 see
00:36:45.400 what's
00:36:45.680 on
00:36:46.180 his
00:36:46.380 mind
00:36:46.760 see
00:36:47.120 if
00:36:47.620 you
00:36:47.740 can
00:36:47.980 figure
00:36:48.240 out
00:36:48.460 what
00:36:48.700 he's
00:36:48.900 doing
00:36:49.200 where
00:36:49.400 he's
00:36:49.560 headed
00:36:49.800 see
00:36:50.000 if
00:36:50.100 you
00:36:50.140 can
00:36:50.320 talk
00:36:50.920 him
00:36:51.120 out
00:36:51.440 of
00:36:51.560 it
00:36:51.680 wouldn't
00:36:51.920 that
00:36:52.080 make
00:36:52.320 sense
00:36:52.600 to
00:36:52.760 you
00:36:52.840 and
00:36:52.940 of
00:36:53.040 course
00:36:53.240 when
00:36:53.680 Trump
00:36:53.980 went
00:36:54.360 to
00:36:54.620 meet
00:36:54.820 with
00:36:55.040 him
00:36:55.220 the
00:36:56.140 mainstream
00:36:57.020 media
00:36:57.480 lost
00:36:58.000 their
00:36:58.540 minds
00:36:59.220 look
00:37:00.080 the
00:37:00.400 greatest
00:37:00.780 single
00:37:01.300 title
00:37:01.800 that
00:37:02.240 history
00:37:02.560 can
00:37:02.900 bestow
00:37:03.460 is
00:37:04.020 that
00:37:04.520 of
00:37:04.940 peacemaker
00:37:06.040 and
00:37:06.920 Donald
00:37:07.200 Trump
00:37:07.460 is
00:37:07.680 nothing
00:37:08.100 if
00:37:08.500 not
00:37:08.760 a
00:37:08.980 peacemaker
00:37:09.440 he
00:37:10.040 is
00:37:10.260 a
00:37:10.480 maker
00:37:10.720 of
00:37:10.960 commerce
00:37:11.380 a
00:37:11.560 maker
00:37:11.800 of
00:37:12.080 business
00:37:12.560 and
00:37:13.320 as
00:37:13.660 Rod
00:37:14.180 Martin
00:37:14.620 says
00:37:15.020 in
00:37:15.200 a
00:37:15.320 terrific
00:37:15.640 piece
00:37:16.020 commerce
00:37:16.900 not
00:37:17.380 chaos
00:37:17.900 the
00:37:18.360 emerging
00:37:18.820 Trump
00:37:19.340 Doctrine
00:37:19.820 you can
00:37:20.080 find
00:37:20.300 that
00:37:20.620 at
00:37:21.300 his
00:37:21.460 website
00:37:21.920 rod
00:37:22.320 martin
00:37:22.800 dot
00:37:23.240 org
00:37:23.620 I
00:37:24.000 urge
00:37:24.280 you
00:37:24.480 to
00:37:24.800 check
00:37:25.300 that
00:37:25.680 out
00:37:25.960 or
00:37:26.440 swing
00:37:26.820 over
00:37:27.020 to
00:37:27.180 Substack
00:37:27.740 where
00:37:28.340 you
00:37:28.460 can
00:37:28.600 also
00:37:28.880 see
00:37:29.180 the
00:37:29.420 Rod
00:37:29.800 Morton
00:37:30.560 report
00:37:31.120 always
00:37:31.980 provocative
00:37:32.520 always
00:37:33.060 interesting
00:37:33.560 great
00:37:34.320 interview
00:37:34.760 by the
00:37:35.060 way
00:37:35.200 with
00:37:35.360 Charles
00:37:35.680 Payne
00:37:36.020 on
00:37:36.180 Fox
00:37:36.480 Business
00:37:36.860 Rod
00:37:37.180 that's
00:37:38.220 what
00:37:38.400 gave
00:37:38.600 me
00:37:38.720 the
00:37:38.840 idea
00:37:39.120 to
00:37:39.260 get
00:37:39.380 you
00:37:39.520 in
00:37:39.660 here
00:37:39.860 I
00:37:40.260 want
00:37:40.400 to
00:37:40.500 thank
00:37:40.680 you
00:37:40.800 for
00:37:40.980 joining
00:37:41.260 us
00:37:41.460 today
00:37:41.820 in
00:37:42.340 the
00:37:42.480 stone
00:37:42.720 zone
00:37:49.340 speed
00:37:49.960 thanks
00:37:50.780 for
00:37:50.960 listening
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00:37:51.700 the
00:37:51.900 stone
00:37:52.260 zone
00:37:52.640 with
00:37:53.060 Roger
00:37:53.420 Stone
00:37:53.880 you
00:37:54.320 can
00:37:54.520 hear
00:37:54.800 the
00:37:55.000 stone
00:37:55.320 zone
00:37:55.660 with
00:37:55.940 Roger
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00:38:20.020 so you
00:38:20.660 never
00:38:21.040 have
00:38:21.380 to
00:38:21.540 wonder
00:38:21.860 what
00:38:22.300 the
00:38:22.540 heck
00:38:22.780 is
00:38:22.960 going
00:38:23.260 on
00:38:23.560 here