The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 12-10-25

00:00:00.000 This is Roger Stone.

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00:01:34.720 On the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:01:37.980 Welcome to The Stone Zone.

00:01:39.780 My name is Ken Matthews.

00:01:40.840 In for Roger tonight.

00:01:41.740 Always a pleasure to be here.

00:01:42.880 It's December 10th, Wednesday, or as some people call in the MAGA movement,

00:01:46.600 Trump Day!

00:01:47.460 800-848-9222.

00:01:52.880 I think we'll start with a Charlie Kirk update, because that's what, I mean, the memos have went out.

00:01:58.440 We're not allowed to talk about that in podcast media, in the podcast world.

00:02:03.300 Full disclosure, I am one of the podcasters, and my 11 people in the audience,

00:02:09.560 it's down from 13 last week, but my 11 people will vouch for the fact that I am doing my best

00:02:15.840 to get to the truth of who killed Charlie Kirk, and I do not believe the FBI's fantasy story.

00:02:22.340 And we can elaborate on that after, and if you'd like to weigh in, it's 800-848-9222

00:02:28.260 on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

00:02:31.900 But by all means, weigh in if you'd like.

00:02:34.480 You can also email me directly, ken at kenmatthewsmedia.com.

00:02:39.120 And I have a real problem with how it's been handled by TPUSA, how it's been handled by the FBI,

00:02:44.940 how it's been handled by everybody from Kash Patel to the news media.

00:02:49.180 I think the news media are among the lamest, especially the corporate news media.

00:02:53.660 They're the biggest embarrassment to the First Amendment currently that's out there.

00:02:58.580 In the meantime, Erica Kirk, she is out and about.

00:03:04.620 She's doing tours.

00:03:05.880 She's doing, what do they call those, the Q&A thing, the town meetings or whatever.

00:03:15.500 She just had one with CBS, okay?

00:03:17.980 She just did one with CBS, and the new news editor at CBS, I think her name is Barry Weiss.

00:03:23.280 So Barry Weiss was the monitor on CBS Network.

00:03:26.180 But she's been on Fox.

00:03:27.280 She's been on ABC.

00:03:27.980 I think she was on 60 Minutes.

00:03:30.420 So Erica Kirk is out and about.

00:03:32.180 As you know, she is the CEO of TPUSA.

00:03:36.740 And she was addressing the questions that some of us in the podcast world, and again, I'm very tiny in the podcast world.

00:03:48.340 I'm not like some of the people that are at the top of this debate right now as far as the controversy,

00:03:56.120 because it's getting really hot.

00:03:57.980 I mean, it's getting really hot.

00:04:00.420 Part of me is, again, kind of excited because it's an opportunity to get to the truth, and the truth leads to incredible places.

00:04:10.560 Most people are made uncomfortable by the truth.

00:04:14.200 We all want to hear what we want to hear.

00:04:15.840 We want what we think we know reinforced.

00:04:18.900 That's not reality, though.

00:04:20.740 Reality is the fact that there's just a lot of things that don't add up in the Charlie Kirk investigation, much like Jan 6, much like the 2020 election.

00:04:29.320 There's a whole bunch.

00:04:30.320 There's a whole bunch, okay?

00:04:32.280 So let's get Erica's take. 0.82

00:04:34.620 This Erica Kirk.

00:04:36.520 And the question was, what do you think about these people, especially these podcasters, questioning the behavior and the response of TPUSA employees and trying to question you and get more details about what may have happened?

00:04:56.180 Come after me.

00:04:57.660 Call me names.

00:04:58.360 I don't care.

00:04:59.540 Call me what you want. 0.99

00:05:01.140 Go down that rabbit hole. 0.97

00:05:02.540 Whatever.

00:05:04.140 But when you go after my family, my Turning Point USA family, my Charlie Kirk show family, when you go after the people that I love, and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single episode.

00:05:17.840 Okay, let's pause it right there, because I will say this.

00:05:22.540 I don't know if her acting is getting better or worse.

00:05:25.620 I don't know.

00:05:26.060 You can weigh in on that.

00:05:27.960 I thought it was overacting at the memorial, but then again, you know, I've never lost a spouse to a, you know, assassination.

00:05:40.140 And we still don't know who did it.

00:05:41.920 So, but, you know, we wanted to give her some room to kind of get her place and relax.

00:05:49.560 But what's happening is we're not getting answers from TPUSA.

00:05:54.280 And there's, they're, they are expected to deliver answers.

00:05:59.280 We're not getting answers from FBI.

00:06:00.980 We're just getting lies.

00:06:02.160 But the thing that really energized me to go deeper on this, and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people across the world, everybody's trying to get to the truth.

00:06:12.760 I mean, I think we should get some type of stipend from the federal government because the FBI is not doing jack on this.

00:06:19.660 But I just want to point out the fact that she made, she made this comment like anybody who's investigating her husband's death is making money off him.

00:06:28.720 And I'm going to say, no, I'm going to say the people that are making money off of Charlie Kirk are all the people that are selling the swag on their podcast.

00:06:39.580 All the people that are saying, you know, and go to my website now and get a Charlie TPUSA hat or a remember Charlie t-shirt or I'm Charlie Kirk or we're all Charlie or any number of other things.

00:06:54.780 Okay, there's, there's, there's, there's the fact that they made $90 million.

00:07:01.860 Well, now they're, let me, let me see what the number is now.

00:07:04.580 Okay, since Charlie was murdered, $140 million, TPUSA has made $140 million.

00:07:14.480 So please, please don't, don't lecture a bunch of podcasters trying to get to the truth when the memorial was more like a rally and a revenue generating opportunity for so many people that were there.

00:07:29.100 And I'm not saying this about Eric.

00:07:30.480 I'm just saying, wake up.

00:07:32.160 I get the whole thing.

00:07:33.920 There was an assassination.

00:07:35.460 It was a horrible time.

00:07:36.520 But that doesn't mean get rid of the first amendment and everybody needs to shut up and do with you, what you say and, and what she's saying there about, Hey, you can say anything you want about me, but don't you go after my TPUSA family.

00:07:49.920 We just ask you a simple question.

00:07:52.760 You know, we've been asking simple questions since the beginning, simple questions, not allegations.

00:07:58.580 See, this is the game.

00:07:59.880 This is the gaslighting.

00:08:00.960 This is where people ask questions and then it goes around the room and it's interpreted as, I can't believe they're insinuating.

00:08:10.220 Stop reading people's minds.

00:08:11.800 Just answer the question.

00:08:13.580 It's the wrong gun.

00:08:14.840 It was the wrong guy.

00:08:16.060 None of it makes sense.

00:08:17.580 The witnesses don't line up.

00:08:19.200 The time, the timeline's off.

00:08:21.600 And TPUSA has been caught in lie after lie.

00:08:24.220 Every week they're caught in a different lie.

00:08:26.040 So here's Erica continuing with Harris Faulkner, who is obviously on team Erica.

00:08:33.220 Going after the people that I love because somehow they're in on this.

00:08:38.100 No.

00:08:39.060 Okay.

00:08:39.520 Where did you even come up with that?

00:08:41.420 Going after the people you love because somehow they're in on this?

00:08:46.460 Because we're, we're, we're riding Cash Patel and Dan Bongino to do more.

00:08:51.900 We're disgusted with the local law enforcement there.

00:08:55.780 We, we can't get anybody to investigate mystery flights, contradictory witnesses.

00:09:02.940 That has nothing to do with the people you love.

00:09:05.220 I don't even know your family.

00:09:07.700 But see, this, this is, this is designed as a threat.

00:09:10.960 This is designed to make anyone who questions what they see, shut up.

00:09:18.840 This is the same behavior you get with most things that go sideways, whether they're conspiratorial or not.

00:09:27.540 Whether it's Jan 6, whether it's a stolen election, it's the same thing.

00:09:32.000 How dare you question the integrity of the American election?

00:09:35.800 You're undermining the vote, Ken.

00:09:37.980 How dare you?

00:09:38.900 Are you trying to say that someone rigged your, your precinct?

00:09:43.640 Exactly.

00:09:44.200 That's what I'm trying to say.

00:09:45.800 I'm not attacking your family.

00:09:47.520 I'm just, uh, you see, it's all gaslighting.

00:09:50.780 And I think she took her acting over the top here. 0.97

00:09:53.700 Personally, this is just my opinion.

00:09:55.760 And as far, hold on.

00:09:56.960 I just want to see.

00:09:58.740 Yeah.

00:09:59.140 They haven't canceled the first amendment yet.

00:10:00.840 We're getting close, but we still got it.

00:10:03.920 You know, I have to say it.

00:10:05.160 I've never seen you like that.

00:10:06.280 No, I have to say that.

00:10:07.500 I've never seen you like this, Erica.

00:10:10.220 Holy moly.

00:10:11.160 Hey, everybody.

00:10:12.460 Erica seems a little pissed off. 1.00

00:10:14.280 Oh, my God.

00:10:15.960 Yeah.

00:10:16.480 This is a quarter billion dollar thing.

00:10:19.760 She's, uh, she's in charge of now.

00:10:22.320 And she's getting a little ticked off about the questions.

00:10:24.200 I'm, I'm very, I, this is righteous anger because this, if you need to tell me that your presentation is righteous anger, it's not righteous, nor is it anger.

00:10:41.480 Remember that kids.

00:10:44.100 It's like when someone says to you, like a politician, look, I'm not lying to you now.

00:10:48.620 I'm promising.

00:10:49.180 I'm telling you the truth.

00:10:49.960 I'm not lying.

00:10:50.840 This is me being honest.

00:10:52.180 I'm not lying.

00:10:52.960 I'm not lying.

00:10:53.600 Now you see, beware.

00:10:56.440 This is political blather and it breaks my heart, but somebody's putting pressure on somebody.

00:11:03.580 This is not okay.

00:11:04.960 It's not healthy.

00:11:05.920 This is a mind virus.

00:11:07.640 This is a mind virus.

00:11:08.660 This is not okay.

00:11:09.900 It's not healthy.

00:11:11.100 All you Americans questioning what happened to Charlie Kirk when his throat got shot out in front of millions of people live and everybody was making mistakes from the security team to first aid, to law enforcement, to every, the, there, it, it's a book of what not to do from the pre investigation to the post.

00:11:35.920 And she's saying, it's a mind virus.

00:11:40.140 This is sick. 0.98

00:11:41.420 How dare you? 0.95

00:11:42.720 See, I would have went like, I would have went something like this.

00:11:45.160 And again, again, I only have 11 listeners, but by gosh, they're loyal.

00:11:50.760 I would have went something like this.

00:11:52.880 When you go on, Erica, you got to dial it back because people already have a bad impression of you.

00:11:59.460 No fault of your own, but dial it back.

00:12:02.040 I would have went on Harris Faulkner and I would have said, first of all, let me just say there's a lot of stuff going around on the Internet.

00:12:09.560 And I want to thank the people that care enough about Charlie.

00:12:14.380 And this country to investigate and question and send us leads.

00:12:20.080 And I just want to thank you and pray for you and bless you for helping in this investigation, because it's a very complicated investigation.

00:12:28.000 There's a lot of moving parts.

00:12:29.420 And the patent, the fact that people are putting their, their podcast on the line or their reputation to try to help us get to the truth.

00:12:37.120 We are praying for you.

00:12:38.800 That's how I would have played it.

00:12:40.080 I wouldn't have said shut up and stop asking questions, because every time Kash Patel says that and Donald Trump says that and Dr.

00:12:49.180 Fauci says that and I could go on, you're just getting the American people angrier than they already are about everything and anything.

00:12:58.200 So you want to call attention to something that's wrong?

00:13:01.520 You did it on Fox News.

00:13:04.460 Yes, I believe in our judicial judicial system.

00:13:08.600 I do.

00:13:09.760 We have a hell of a team working on this.

00:13:11.880 Excuse my French.

00:13:13.840 But this is not OK.

00:13:15.820 So you want to put these people back in the box where they've been creeping from.

00:13:20.360 See that?

00:13:21.000 See?

00:13:21.820 Harris is in on it.

00:13:22.880 Wake up, people.

00:13:24.480 Wake up.

00:13:26.740 It wasn't.

00:13:27.380 What exactly do you mean like that by that?

00:13:29.920 It's so you want to you want to put these people back in a box.

00:13:33.820 These people that crawled out and questioned the caliber, the shooter, the amount of shooters who knew who didn't know the aircraft that have been confirmed, the foreign phones that have been confirmed, the bad first day that has been confirmed.

00:13:50.180 You want to put all these people back in the box, the slimy box that they climbed out of.

00:13:54.860 How dare they question seeing a murder on TV in their own country?

00:13:58.920 Probably one of the biggest since RFK.

00:14:01.020 If you look at it demographically.

00:14:02.700 I don't care what box you're in.

00:14:06.600 But just know that your words are very powerful and we are human.

00:14:11.860 My team are not machines and they're not robots.

00:14:14.560 They are human.

00:14:16.120 We have more death threats on our team and our side than I have ever seen.

00:14:20.180 I have kidnapping threats.

00:14:21.800 I have you name it.

00:14:22.960 We have it.

00:14:23.820 And my poor team is exhausted.

00:14:25.480 And every time they bring this back up, what are we supposed to do?

00:14:28.440 Relive that trauma all over again?

00:14:30.720 See, she never answered the question.

00:14:32.220 I mean, I pray for people that suffer loss.

00:14:35.900 But if anybody's buying this, let me know.

00:14:38.800 Let me know where I'm wrong.

00:14:40.280 But this, to me, is just one more pushback on the First Amendment.

00:14:44.320 And when the media gets involved and the government gets involved, we've got the FBI telling us, shut up, stop asking questions.

00:14:50.140 We've got Harris Faulkner telling us to crawl back in our box where we crawled out of to ask questions.

00:14:56.900 The American people are pretty smart. 0.95

00:14:59.080 And we can see through a lot of this ridiculousness. 0.97

00:15:03.040 And I've got to tell you, it's been a ridiculous year. 0.94

00:15:06.220 And a sad one.

00:15:08.400 We'll be taking your calls coming up in the Stone Zone, 800-848-9222.

00:15:13.800 Be right back.

00:15:14.340 This is Roger Stone.

00:15:16.660 The holidays are here, and it's the time of year when travel, crowds, and cold weather mean one thing.

00:15:21.880 Everybody's getting sick.

00:15:23.120 And in moments like this, you don't want to rely on the bureaucracy, the nonsense, or the slow-moving medical machine.

00:15:28.940 You want control.

00:15:29.920 You want to be prepared.

00:15:30.940 You want options.

00:15:31.740 That's why I want to tell you about All Family Pharmacy, a company that actually puts you in charge of your health.

00:15:37.200 You can go to allfamilypharmacy.com slash stone, place your order online, and a licensed physician reviews it.

00:15:44.080 Once approved, your medication ships directly to your doorstep.

00:15:47.680 Fast, private, and secure.

00:15:49.500 So whether you're looking for ivermectin, antibiotics, or everyday maintenance medications, All Family Pharmacy now has you covered.

00:15:56.300 No waiting rooms, no runaround, no interference.

00:15:58.960 This holiday season, don't gamble with your health or your family's health.

00:16:02.720 Stay prepared.

00:16:03.540 Stay protected.

00:16:04.380 Stay in control.

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00:16:55.200 So nice that you're here tonight.

00:16:57.160 My name is Ken Matthews.

00:16:58.580 Always a pleasure to guest host for Mr. Stone.

00:17:05.300 I'm not stoned.

00:17:06.240 Let me just make it perfectly clear that I am not stoned.

00:17:08.960 I just misspoke.

00:17:12.640 Roger Stone in the Stone Zone on the Red Apple Audio Networks.

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00:18:25.280 I'm sorry.

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00:18:33.060 You know, a Democrat won the Miami mayoral race for the first time in nearly 30 years.

00:18:39.180 I mean, that was a big GOP loss.

00:18:42.620 And what would...

00:18:43.300 Whoa, I forget what that guy's name was.

00:18:45.360 It was a Latino guy in Miami.

00:18:48.080 Forget his name.

00:18:49.580 Trump endorsed him.

00:18:52.660 Democrats have taken control of Miami for the first time in 30 years.

00:18:56.320 Candidate Eileen Higgins.

00:18:58.980 She's a white lady. 1.00

00:19:01.380 Clinched the city's mayoral election.

00:19:06.420 Bueno, bueno, they said.

00:19:08.760 Andele, the other candidate said.

00:19:12.880 Wow.

00:19:13.440 And President Trump was in my neck of the woods.

00:19:15.760 He was in the Poconos, which is about an hour north of me, and I'm about an hour north of Philly.

00:19:22.300 The White House said the president's speech, which you may or may not hear dozens of clips scattered throughout the media,

00:19:29.960 is the kickoff event for a tour around the country focused on his economic agenda as President Trump attempts to save the midterms before it's too late.

00:19:45.820 What do you think?

00:19:46.540 I don't know.

00:19:47.740 He might be able to do it.

00:19:48.780 I don't know.

00:19:49.460 I don't know.

00:19:53.280 But if he could get Ilhan Omar to admit she married her brother, that's a darn good start right there. 0.90

00:20:00.340 I'm Ken Matthews in for Roger Stone.

00:20:02.840 800-848-9222.

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00:20:17.660 Oh, it's good to see you again.

00:20:18.940 My name is Ken Matthews.

00:20:21.120 I'm in for Roger tonight in the Stone Zone.

00:20:23.300 800-848-9222.

00:20:26.800 I am a podcaster, and I fill in for Roger from time to time and occasionally elsewhere.

00:20:33.080 You can find me.

00:20:34.140 I'm on Facebook.

00:20:35.600 I'm on Twitter and X.

00:20:39.260 I guess Twitter would be the easiest place to troll or follow me.

00:20:43.600 But I'm also on Rumble and a bunch of other things, platforms.

00:20:48.780 You can just Google me if you want to troll me.

00:20:50.880 Or if you want to threaten me, you can call me directly.

00:20:53.720 That's always an option.

00:20:55.800 Not here.

00:20:56.640 Not here.

00:20:57.100 Don't call me here.

00:20:59.260 We're on the Red Apple Audio Networks, by the way.

00:21:02.000 And imagine you're in a business meeting with the President of the United States.

00:21:07.180 And he said, well, there's a lot of stuff going on.

00:21:09.760 And then he says this.

00:21:11.600 So you're in this business meeting earlier today.

00:21:14.920 And he says.

00:21:16.760 As you probably know, we've just seized a tanker on the coast of Venezuela.

00:21:24.080 A large tanker.

00:21:24.940 Very large.

00:21:27.220 Largest one ever seized, actually.

00:21:30.040 And other things are happening.

00:21:32.820 So you'll be seeing that later.

00:21:35.040 And you'll be talking about that later with some other people.

00:21:38.600 Very excitingly for me and for the co-host.

00:21:41.920 Wow.

00:21:42.800 I'm sorry.

00:21:43.660 I laughed because he said, biggest one ever seized.

00:21:46.420 It's always the biggest, the best.

00:21:48.960 Whatever.

00:21:49.760 You know.

00:21:50.180 I don't know why he did that, though.

00:21:53.120 So we have seized an oil tanker near Venezuela at gunpoint.

00:21:58.040 I guess it was a special ops raid.

00:22:01.000 And I, gosh, I hope we got some good video of that.

00:22:03.440 Because that's what special ops are known for.

00:22:06.360 You know, land, sea, air.

00:22:08.120 But that's it.

00:22:08.660 I mean, if you've ever seen that, I've only seen simulations of it.

00:22:13.660 If you ever have a chance, by the way, if you want a great vacation spot, go down to the Port St. Lucie area in Florida.

00:22:23.560 And don't panic, MAGA people, because it's still close enough to go by Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:28.740 It's like an hour and 20 minutes from Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:31.640 But I don't know if people know this, especially some of the people in Florida and people moved to Florida recently.

00:22:41.000 South Beach in Fort Pierce, Florida, the beach that I learned to surf on.

00:22:45.040 And let me just say, I was a very mediocre surfer.

00:22:48.940 However, in that very spot is the Navy SEAL UDT Museum.

00:22:56.540 And it's legendary.

00:22:57.560 So if you ever have a chance, it's been down there for well over, oh, I'm thinking, what, 20, 25 more years or more?

00:23:05.880 It's really a cool place to check out.

00:23:08.260 So if you are as, you know, military positive as I am, I just think the military is awesome.

00:23:16.580 Okay.

00:23:16.880 And I think special ops is the elite of the elite of the elite.

00:23:19.680 Okay.

00:23:20.920 And if you ever have a chance, go to the Navy SEAL Museum.

00:23:24.100 It's awesome.

00:23:24.800 You can take your kids there.

00:23:25.960 You can take, you know, it's very family friendly.

00:23:29.820 But they have full-sized, full-sized vehicles and boats.

00:23:38.660 And they have boats that they used in Vietnam.

00:23:41.660 They have boats from Desert Storm.

00:23:43.780 I mean, it is amazing.

00:23:46.600 It's amazing.

00:23:47.560 You know that movie Captain Phillips, when they rescued Captain Phillips from the pirates and Captain Phillips escaped in the, you know, the rescue capsule boat.

00:24:00.460 It was like that orange, almost looked like a big pill.

00:24:04.360 Remember?

00:24:04.980 And then the Navy SEAL took out.

00:24:08.020 The guy kept waiting and waiting.

00:24:09.860 And that's what snipers have to do.

00:24:11.320 They have to wait and wait and wait.

00:24:13.060 And then, well, they have that in the museum.

00:24:17.880 And the bullet hole is there.

00:24:19.660 So, needless to say, I was excited about it.

00:24:22.580 Sorry, I had to digress and just tell you about that.

00:24:24.640 Because I know there's probably people in our audience that visit Florida.

00:24:27.260 You have family in Florida.

00:24:28.080 So, it's in Fort Pierce, Florida.

00:24:29.380 It's the Navy SEAL Museum.

00:24:31.240 I wish I could say, tell them Ken Matthews sent you.

00:24:33.540 But I don't get any money for this.

00:24:34.820 I just think that it's something that, especially if you really are proud of our military and special ops, and you're a SEAL fanboy like I am, you want to check that out.

00:24:46.100 So, I'm presuming it was probably a combination of special forces.

00:24:51.080 I'm sure your Ranger friends and your Green Beret friends will argue over, you know, who did it or whatever.

00:24:56.680 But I'm sure the SEALs played some role in it just because they have the ways to stealthily chase down a ship.

00:25:03.840 But, again, all that put aside, I'm trying to figure out why we captured an oil tanker near Venezuela at gunpoint.

00:25:11.020 I'm thinking it's what I said last week when I was filling in the stone zone.

00:25:15.440 And that was before Christmas, we're going to war with Venezuela.

00:25:18.260 And I'm kind of thinking that's one of the levers right there.

00:25:21.960 I don't know if they're going to call up Maduro and say, do you ever want your oil again?

00:25:28.060 I don't know.

00:25:28.900 I don't know.

00:25:29.540 But I'm still trying to figure that out.

00:25:31.120 Or if they're going to say, hey, there was drugs on that oil tanker.

00:25:35.440 I don't know.

00:25:36.360 I don't know.

00:25:37.040 You do know that Venezuela is the most oil-rich country in this hemisphere, I believe, outside of us.

00:25:43.680 We've got a lot.

00:25:44.500 We've got a lot going on.

00:25:45.400 We've got a lot of gas going on and some other things.

00:25:47.400 House passes a $900 billion military defense bill.

00:25:53.000 And then I like how Fox put it.

00:25:54.820 They said, after the Republican revolt collapses.

00:25:58.940 We weren't revolting.

00:26:00.560 We're just revolted by war.

00:26:03.720 The people that voted against it.

00:26:05.420 I mean, we're sending more money to the Middle East.

00:26:07.960 Of course, that goes without saying.

00:26:09.460 We're sending more money to the Ukraine, which is absurd.

00:26:12.020 But we did get them to stop sending money to the Taliban, because a lot of people didn't know we were sending pallets of cash every week to the Taliban since Joe Biden blew it.

00:26:26.420 That's true.

00:26:28.260 And Tim Burchett, he took the gloves off and he called out the person that was stalling the bill initially to keep the money from going to the Taliban.

00:26:40.720 That's usually what happens.

00:26:42.140 We pull out.

00:26:43.240 We leave all our stuff for him.

00:26:45.260 Here, have some here.

00:26:46.520 Here's a helicopter. 0.87

00:26:49.220 We because of our own ignorance.

00:26:52.420 In this case, it was the Biden State Department.

00:26:54.820 That was a State Department run operation.

00:26:57.420 A lot of people don't know that.

00:26:58.680 So whatever you do in that particular case, the exfil from Afghanistan and that base, that was all State Department coordinated.

00:27:10.720 It was not the military would have done it correctly.

00:27:14.020 I can assure you the military would have not.

00:27:17.140 They would have not had armed Marines standing down while the Taliban killed children in front of them.

00:27:25.620 That would never have happened if it was the military.

00:27:28.400 But it wasn't.

00:27:29.140 It was the State Department. 1.00

00:27:30.120 And that's, you know, that's the problem, especially if you have idiots in the State Department. 1.00

00:27:35.880 And we had a whole bunch under Biden. 1.00

00:27:39.960 Hey, everybody.

00:27:40.840 Tim Burtz.

00:27:41.740 As you know, as I've been championing the cause to quit paying the dead gum Taliban 40 million or 45 million, whatever it is a week. 0.99

00:27:49.800 We've given them over five, over $5 billion total since the Biden administration.

00:27:55.240 Every week, every week, we can't stop the bill.

00:27:58.500 We can't, I mean, we can't get the bill passed in the Senate.

00:28:00.860 It's taken me over a year to get it out of the dead gum house. 1.00

00:28:03.160 And we got a fellow over in the Senate who was a staffer, but he was a former, I believe, ambassador to Afghanistan.

00:28:12.420 And his name is what?

00:28:13.820 Tom West.

00:28:14.600 Tom West.

00:28:15.960 And apparently, our good friend Tulsi Gabbard in the Trump administration denied him his security clearance because of his alleged cozy relationship with the Taliban.

00:28:29.760 And so I suspect that's what's going on in the Senate.

00:28:32.060 That's why they're stopping the bill.

00:28:35.280 And people say, well, y'all are in the majority.

00:28:37.640 Why don't you just act like it?

00:28:39.080 Well, you've got to have 60 votes over there to pass a bill of this significance.

00:28:43.220 And that's the holdup.

00:28:45.300 And we're going to continue to see this kind of nonsense until the country wakes up.

00:28:50.360 And I don't care what party you're in.

00:28:51.920 We shouldn't be paying these people.

00:28:54.120 I couldn't agree more.

00:28:55.160 So let's hope that gets through.

00:28:57.900 At least he's exposing some of the.

00:28:59.480 I mean, this was known well over a year ago.

00:29:02.820 There were several whistleblowers that came out.

00:29:04.660 But we know usually people only want to hear the whistleblowers.

00:29:07.940 They want to.

00:29:08.500 They just want to hear their own whistle.

00:29:09.660 You know, you could tell people all day long that, you know, numerous special operations people and whistleblowers and CIA people and Intel people have come out over the since we left Afghanistan and it went on the record saying, you know, we've been delivering pallets of cash in unmarked aircraft and loaning armored vehicles to the Taliban to transport it.

00:29:30.440 Why am I talking like Tim Burchett now for some reason?

00:29:33.040 Doggone it.

00:29:33.660 Anyway, but that's been the case.

00:29:36.880 So, you know, I think it's great.

00:29:39.500 I think the military should get a raise.

00:29:41.320 I think 4% is not enough.

00:29:42.860 They should have given them a 5% raise.

00:29:44.680 But then when you look at the fact that there's no money.

00:29:47.760 I mean, we are broke.

00:29:49.540 We're broke.

00:29:50.220 We are broke as a country.

00:29:54.180 $38 trillion.

00:29:55.300 No one ever talks about it.

00:29:56.240 We're always in denial about it.

00:29:58.060 We don't even make our own money.

00:29:59.520 We borrow money and we pay the Federal Reserve.

00:30:02.640 So, you know, I think it's great.

00:30:04.640 But I also know there's a lot of fat and pork in that bill because most of those bills are designed to keep defense companies happy.

00:30:16.320 That's what they're designed to do.

00:30:17.640 If those bills were designed, I'm talking about the defense bills, okay?

00:30:24.120 If they were designed to take care of the troops, there would not be soldier housing and on base housing and troops dealing with what they have to deal with domestically on base.

00:30:38.960 It just wouldn't happen.

00:30:39.760 There wouldn't be leaky roofs and the toilets don't work or the heat doesn't work or we can't afford groceries for our baby when we're in the field.

00:30:49.640 That wouldn't even be an issue.

00:30:51.760 And I just noticed that senators and congressmen, they never run out.

00:30:55.800 They always make sure.

00:30:58.060 I'm not aiming this at Tim Burchett, obviously.

00:31:00.600 I'm saying that, again, it's the people that make the decisions.

00:31:04.540 They always put themselves first.

00:31:05.900 So it sounds good, $900 billion.

00:31:09.680 Everybody's going to be talking about it.

00:31:11.220 Sure, it'll be on Fox and Friends.

00:31:13.940 But where is the money going exactly?

00:31:16.820 And why are we still sending money to the Taliban?

00:31:19.460 That's just obscene.

00:31:20.560 It's totally obscene.

00:31:22.420 It's obscene.

00:31:23.980 You have people from Miami to Los Angeles, men and women that serve this country.

00:31:29.180 They're sleeping on greats in the middle of the winter.

00:31:33.440 They're trying to find a homeless shelter and get some food or medical coverage.

00:31:39.960 And we're giving money to the Taliban.

00:31:42.820 See, these are the things that, as a podcaster, this is the stuff that I obsess over.

00:31:49.440 And I'm wondering, and what I do is I go through the list of things each day, and I say, who in the public eye, who in the mainstream cares about it?

00:32:02.340 And Tim Burchett is one.

00:32:04.040 And there's always people out there that are bringing up these issues.

00:32:08.440 But most of them aren't.

00:32:12.220 I mean, we should have put a stop to that Taliban thing how many years ago? 1.00

00:32:16.520 Think about that.

00:32:17.620 Think about that.

00:32:19.700 We left them the base.

00:32:22.020 The biggest one was Bagram Air Force Base, right?

00:32:25.000 Wasn't it Bagram Air Base or something?

00:32:26.780 Yeah.

00:32:27.600 The biggest one in the Middle East. 0.99

00:32:29.980 And the most equipped.

00:32:31.700 The longest runways.

00:32:34.660 And we left them planes and helicopters and drones.

00:32:39.480 We left them hundreds of drones.

00:32:42.200 And now they're being used on us all over the Middle East because the Taliban called all its affiliates, which is anybody that wants to kill us or innocent people.

00:32:56.200 Those are all team players with the Taliban, and they're the marketer for that. 1.00

00:33:01.580 They're cutting deals.

00:33:03.640 Hey, you're not going to believe it.

00:33:04.520 They just left all these helicopters, and we've got all these trucks.

00:33:07.300 You guys want a truck?

00:33:08.580 Yeah, we can give you a truck.

00:33:09.340 You want some cash?

00:33:10.140 I'll tell you, we're throwing a bonus of cash.

00:33:11.780 You want some sea rations?

00:33:14.220 How about portable medical units?

00:33:16.260 You want some of those?

00:33:17.200 We left them all.

00:33:18.560 Nobody talks about that.

00:33:20.220 So you can tell me all day that the House passed a military defense bill, blah, blah, blah, and it doesn't mean anything to me.

00:33:27.300 Because our money is paper.

00:33:29.580 There's no value behind it.

00:33:30.780 So they're going to move some money around, and some defense contractors will get rich.

00:33:33.900 Do I sound cynical?

00:33:35.760 I'm not.

00:33:36.420 I'm just skeptical.

00:33:37.980 There's a difference.

00:33:39.880 You know what Henry Ford said?

00:33:41.560 He said, it is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system.

00:33:49.000 For if they did, Henry Ford went on to say,

00:33:52.220 I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.

00:33:57.440 I agree with Mr. Ford's assessment, Mr. Henry Ford's assessment.

00:34:04.400 In fact, as I prepared for this show, I thought there's got to be some other great, great quotes about how the Federal Reserve is corrupt,

00:34:14.320 and very few people know how it works, and people in economics class learn how to work with it and around it.

00:34:21.300 They don't learn what a bad idea it was.

00:34:26.060 But let's talk about the Federal Reserve for a second.

00:34:28.600 You know, since we're $38 trillion in debt, and next year we're going to pay $1.8 trillion in interest,

00:34:34.880 and our taxes are going to go up, did you know the majority of what we're paying in our debt annually is interest?

00:34:41.740 So, if you want to get a sense of it, look at your credit card, or look at your mortgage, go into the fine print.

00:34:51.840 Well, and take that, and then times it by a few trillion, and you'll see how messed up it is.

00:34:57.800 We'll get back to this in a moment.

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00:36:25.760 I want to get back to, let's deep dive into the $38 trillion worth of debt that we have.

00:36:33.660 The modern banking system manufactures money out of nothing.

00:36:40.080 Now, for people who don't know, if you don't, if you're not a history geek,

00:36:45.320 the Bank of England and the Federal Reserve are very similar in their techniques,

00:36:51.040 and they have a very close relationship.

00:36:53.020 The process is perhaps the most astounding piece of sleight of hand that was ever invented.

00:36:58.960 This is a quote.

00:37:00.260 Banking was conceived in inequity and born in sin.

00:37:03.500 Bankers own the earth.

00:37:04.680 Take it away from them.

00:37:05.720 But leave them the power to create money, and with a flick of a pen, they will create enough money to buy it back again.

00:37:13.400 Take this great power away from them, and all great fortunes like mine will disappear.

00:37:19.100 For then this would be a better and happier world to live in.

00:37:22.380 That is, the chairman of the Bank of England in 1927, Sir Josiah Stamp.

00:37:45.780 The second richest man in Britain in 1927, even he disliked the bankers.

00:37:53.100 You always hear talk of the bankers, the bankers, right?

00:37:56.680 Well, it is a group of bankers, and that's what the Federal Reserve is.

00:38:02.040 The Federal Reserve is a private corporation.

00:38:04.960 It's not the American this or the American that. 0.87

00:38:09.920 We have to borrow from them, and they charge us interest on our own money.

00:38:15.860 And that's what makes the whole banking thing go round.

00:38:20.040 That's why there's trillions and trillions of dollars in interest.

00:38:23.960 And that's why the taxes are always going to go up.

00:38:26.980 The Federal Reserve Act was passed through Congress the 23rd of December, 1913, in the dark of night.

00:38:37.380 I think it was like 2.30 a.m.

00:38:39.360 There were only a handful of people left.

00:38:41.400 And they do this in every country.

00:38:44.000 Every single country where the central bank takes over or one private entity is loaning money to the government

00:38:50.480 because it's a great way for the bankers at the top to clean up.

00:38:53.760 Here's what President Woodrow Wilson had to say in 1917.

00:39:02.360 This is four years after the Federal Reserve Act.

00:39:07.400 I am a most unhappy man, said President Wilson.

00:39:10.540 I have unwittingly ruined my country.

00:39:14.140 A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit.

00:39:18.340 Our system of credit is concentrated.

00:39:20.520 The growth of a nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of just a few men that control the banks.

00:39:31.120 I just thought, yeah, I just thought I'd throw that out there, you know.

00:39:34.080 Tomorrow, when you're in the drive-thru, don't get angry at the teller.

00:39:36.860 It's not her fault.

00:39:38.600 I'm Ken Matthews.

00:39:39.540 Have a wonderful rest of your week.

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