The StoneZONE with Roger Stone - The Stone Zone ｜ 12-16-25

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00:00:38.160 Welcome to the Roger Stone Show.

00:00:41.980 As I get ready to head to the White House Christmas Party in Washington, D.C.,

00:00:48.760 where it is predicted to be 29 degrees,

00:00:52.140 I am grateful to be invited and looking forward to seeing my friend, the President.

00:00:58.260 It's interesting. I was supposed to go to an earlier Christmas party and the President didn't know that I had not attended,

00:01:06.220 but he said very nice things about me and his public remarks and how long we've been friends for that.

00:01:11.620 I am grateful.

00:01:13.680 Yet, and I should say, he forges ahead, very much like Ronald Reagan,

00:01:20.540 ignoring the panicans and recognizing that his policies,

00:01:27.660 particularly his tax cuts, his regulatory cuts,

00:01:30.080 and his shrewd negotiating to ramp up federal revenues through trade will ultimately bring food prices even lower than they are now,

00:01:42.140 although they have come down,

00:01:43.640 drive gasoline, which is hitting historic lows even further down,

00:01:48.860 that once he gets a friendly Federal Reserve majority,

00:01:53.240 he will get an interest rate cut commensurate with the current inflation rate and unemployment rate,

00:02:01.620 which are the things that the Fed is supposed to take into consideration,

00:02:05.720 both of which are lower today than when the Fed cut rates to try to boost Joe Biden's re-election.

00:02:13.740 And it has been now more than 100 days since Tulsi Gabbard finally declassified the long-hidden,

00:02:23.580 long-buried federal documents that demonstrate that Donald Trump was the victim of a coup d'etat,

00:02:31.880 of an interagency attempt to overturn his legal election as president,

00:02:39.900 and they spied on him and cheated to do it,

00:02:43.520 yet to this day, everybody we know associated with this has yet to be charged,

00:02:49.440 or I should say no one.

00:02:50.460 Speaking of the conspirators being Barack Obama himself,

00:02:54.580 although the constitutionality of prosecuting him there may be some questions about,

00:02:59.140 then-Vice President Joe Biden, who would not be immune to prosecution

00:03:02.800 because he was not president at that time,

00:03:05.240 maybe due to it under current law,

00:03:09.300 would have to be examined,

00:03:10.260 but John Brennan, the CIA director,

00:03:12.940 the largest orchestrator of the plot,

00:03:15.860 James Comey,

00:03:17.000 who seems to have slipped the punch in Virginia,

00:03:20.200 but that's where we have breaking news today.

00:03:23.040 We now learn that the U.S. attorney in Virginia,

00:03:28.140 Eric Siebert,

00:03:29.180 who was essentially fired by President Donald Trump,

00:03:35.020 had actually agreed two weeks before he was fired

00:03:39.080 to allow Daniel Richman,

00:03:42.620 the man to whom James Comey sent classified information to leak,

00:03:48.860 directly contrary to his testimony before Congress,

00:03:52.840 the very crime he is charged with,

00:03:55.060 and they agreed to return Mr. Richman's materials,

00:03:59.740 emails, and so on,

00:04:00.620 that had been seized in a criminal investigation to him.

00:04:05.400 This is absolutely outrageous.

00:04:06.860 So in other words,

00:04:08.100 the prosecutor is caught red-handed bearing the evidence

00:04:11.620 that Comey is trying to fix his case.

00:04:16.100 It is beyond belief.

00:04:18.300 But we also know that Mr. Siebert,

00:04:20.380 although he was appointed by Donald Trump,

00:04:22.000 he was strongly supported by the two Democrat senators,

00:04:25.560 Warner and Tim Kaine.

00:04:27.600 That's bad news right there.

00:04:29.140 He was originally recommended by the governor.

00:04:36.460 And he never disclosed the fact

00:04:39.300 that he had a very material conflict

00:04:42.800 in the James Comey case.

00:04:44.680 That is,

00:04:46.640 that his father-in-law was,

00:04:50.040 as is his wife's father,

00:04:51.460 was the godfather to James Comey's daughter.

00:04:56.060 And that this same individual

00:04:58.780 had served as a attorney representing James Comey

00:05:02.240 in his capacity as FBI director.

00:05:06.020 A material conflict of interest

00:05:07.680 that should have been disclosed.

00:05:09.980 But this new evidence

00:05:12.900 that the Comey case is fixed

00:05:14.900 comes on the heel of a stunning,

00:05:17.940 I would say,

00:05:19.720 deconstruction of that case.

00:05:21.840 I mean, first of all,

00:05:23.000 recognize that Comey's case

00:05:24.600 was not dismissed,

00:05:27.140 nor was the case against Letitia James

00:05:29.080 dismissed on the basis of the merits

00:05:31.640 of the evidence against them,

00:05:33.680 both of which is overwhelming.

00:05:35.300 It was dismissed on a technicality

00:05:39.660 that was foisted upon us

00:05:41.680 by essentially four judges,

00:05:44.680 all of whom violated the canon of ethics,

00:05:47.500 all of whom showed bias,

00:05:50.140 hostility,

00:05:51.380 reliance on media sources,

00:05:54.100 actually violating the Constitution

00:05:56.200 and the court rules

00:05:57.440 again and again and again.

00:05:59.760 That would be Judge Michael S. Nachmanoff,

00:06:02.840 Judge Cameron McGowan-Curry,

00:06:05.460 Magistrate Judge William Fitzpatrick,

00:06:08.000 and you can now add to that,

00:06:09.460 as my friend Julie Kelly points out,

00:06:11.320 Judge Colar-Cotelli,

00:06:14.060 who agreed to give Daniel Richman,

00:06:18.360 the man who was indeed

00:06:20.780 instructed by James Comey,

00:06:22.960 contrary to his sworn testimony,

00:06:24.820 instructed to leak those documents

00:06:26.340 to the New York Times,

00:06:27.240 giving him the evidence back.

00:06:29.200 This is almost beyond belief.

00:06:32.180 And you have to wonder

00:06:34.400 where the prosecutions are

00:06:36.520 from the Republican Party.

00:06:38.980 President Trump is out there

00:06:41.340 trying to end multiple wars,

00:06:44.400 trying to destroy the narco-terrorists 1.00

00:06:47.340 and the Marxists in our hemisphere,

00:06:50.160 ably aided by Secretary of State

00:06:53.580 Marco Rubio,

00:06:54.920 who was like a new man,

00:06:56.280 a man who I supported for the Senate

00:06:58.620 when he first ran against

00:06:59.880 former Governor Charlie Crist,

00:07:03.320 who was a political chameleon

00:07:05.280 who ran as both a Republican,

00:07:07.480 Democrat,

00:07:08.140 and an Independent,

00:07:09.700 a man who began as,

00:07:10.860 described himself as a Reagan Republican,

00:07:13.480 ended up at the end of his career

00:07:15.260 calling himself an Obama Democrat.

00:07:17.760 He went from being pro-life

00:07:19.020 to being pro-abortion.

00:07:20.600 He went from being a pro-Second Amendment

00:07:22.860 to being for gun control.

00:07:25.960 He was a charming,

00:07:28.440 hard-working politician,

00:07:30.040 but he believed in nothing

00:07:31.660 other than winning

00:07:32.480 and holding public office.

00:07:34.700 And Marco Rubio's politics

00:07:36.540 heretofore have not been mine

00:07:40.080 in the sense that

00:07:40.920 he was a neocon Bush Republican.

00:07:45.120 The Bush people greatly resented

00:07:47.140 Marco Rubio's presidential candidacy.

00:07:49.740 I think you have to run

00:07:51.160 when you think your time is.

00:07:52.980 And I think he worked very hard

00:07:54.340 to run for president,

00:07:56.000 but he and Jeb Bush

00:07:58.020 had bad feelings

00:08:00.300 because the Bush people

00:08:01.220 felt that they had made Marco

00:08:03.700 by helping him

00:08:04.600 in that Republican primary

00:08:06.140 with Governor Charlie Crist,

00:08:08.020 who was extraordinarily well-funded.

00:08:10.680 But Marco Rubio very wisely

00:08:12.120 kind of grabbed onto

00:08:13.700 the Tea Party label

00:08:15.060 and rode to the U.S. Senate.

00:08:18.320 as there's a terrific piece

00:08:21.740 that speaks to this issue

00:08:23.300 of judicial overreach

00:08:25.820 and judicial tyranny,

00:08:27.680 as in the actions of the judges

00:08:30.200 who have dismissed this case

00:08:33.180 against James Comey.

00:08:35.740 And a prosecutor

00:08:37.320 who was actually returning

00:08:39.240 to one of the criminals

00:08:40.900 the evidence that proves

00:08:42.220 the case against Comey

00:08:44.220 is beyond belief.

00:08:46.680 Now you have the fact

00:08:48.140 that Lindsay Halligan,

00:08:50.460 who we were told

00:08:51.720 was an inexperienced lawyer,

00:08:54.320 an insurance lawyer,

00:08:55.820 often mocked as a beauty queen

00:08:57.740 because she was very attractive,

00:09:00.080 when in fact she was a,

00:09:02.540 she had outstanding

00:09:04.040 academic credentials,

00:09:06.000 had graduated from both college

00:09:08.180 and law school,

00:09:09.040 come some law day,

00:09:10.380 had risen to be

00:09:11.540 the managing partner

00:09:12.460 of the division,

00:09:14.100 civil division

00:09:15.260 of a major Florida law firm

00:09:17.960 specializing in areas

00:09:19.180 of mortgage,

00:09:20.540 housing,

00:09:21.520 and financial fraud.

00:09:23.240 So she understood

00:09:24.180 this case.

00:09:25.800 They determined

00:09:27.640 that her appointment

00:09:29.180 by President Donald Trump

00:09:30.740 was not valid.

00:09:33.420 They are incorrect

00:09:34.640 in that ruling.

00:09:35.980 Trump filled her

00:09:37.440 consistent with

00:09:38.740 the Government Vacancies Act,

00:09:40.180 but as I say,

00:09:41.700 multiple federal judges

00:09:43.160 moved very aggressively

00:09:44.640 to kill, 0.99

00:09:46.400 to have her declared 1.00

00:09:47.900 ineligible.

00:09:48.800 This also voided

00:09:49.740 the case

00:09:50.500 that Lindsay Halligan

00:09:51.820 brought against

00:09:52.980 Letitia James,

00:09:54.320 the New York

00:09:55.300 Attorney General,

00:09:56.860 which is quite interesting

00:09:58.100 because

00:09:58.700 we were,

00:09:59.720 we're told now

00:10:00.940 that Lindsay Halligan,

00:10:02.060 the inexperienced

00:10:03.240 insurance lawyer,

00:10:05.340 which is a smear,

00:10:06.640 did go to a grand jury

00:10:08.260 and did in fact

00:10:09.480 secure an indictment

00:10:11.000 based on the evidence.

00:10:12.420 It's a documents case,

00:10:13.500 all the evidence,

00:10:14.660 as my good friend

00:10:16.360 at White Collar Fraud,

00:10:19.820 Sam Antar,

00:10:20.900 points out to me,

00:10:21.920 all the evidence

00:10:22.640 is in the documents.

00:10:24.140 Yet we are expected

00:10:25.100 to believe

00:10:25.860 that the more experienced

00:10:28.440 government prosecutor

00:10:29.640 who replaced Halligan,

00:10:32.360 who we're told

00:10:33.600 was selected

00:10:34.040 by the Justice Department,

00:10:35.400 has tried now twice

00:10:36.680 to go to the grand jury,

00:10:38.140 has not been able

00:10:38.860 to secure an indictment.

00:10:41.180 What we were told

00:10:42.140 was that the lawyer selected

00:10:43.520 has not been

00:10:44.280 in a criminal courtroom

00:10:45.920 on any issue

00:10:47.020 since 2011,

00:10:50.400 and his specialty

00:10:51.740 is civil law.

00:10:53.340 So why he would be

00:10:55.920 the attorney

00:10:56.520 in this case

00:10:57.760 is really quite extraordinary.

00:10:59.680 But the real fundamental

00:11:01.080 question here is,

00:11:03.360 will anyone do

00:11:04.880 anything about it?

00:11:05.620 The House Republicans

00:11:07.000 will not move

00:11:08.140 to impeach

00:11:09.460 or restrict

00:11:11.180 these judges

00:11:12.020 other than some

00:11:12.740 who have valiantly

00:11:13.400 tried to rein in

00:11:14.860 Judge Boasberg,

00:11:16.440 the D.C. judge

00:11:17.400 who randomly

00:11:18.820 seems to get

00:11:19.460 every case that matters

00:11:20.600 to Donald Trump.

00:11:21.780 Somebody needs to examine

00:11:22.880 whether there's

00:11:23.520 the spin of the

00:11:24.340 so-called wheel

00:11:25.300 in the clerk

00:11:26.220 of the D.C. district courts

00:11:27.900 because the odds,

00:11:29.420 the mathematical odds,

00:11:30.600 just defy

00:11:31.460 Judge Boasberg

00:11:32.800 being assigned

00:11:33.960 every single case.

00:11:37.180 The president,

00:11:38.360 if there's any question

00:11:39.400 about his popularity,

00:11:41.360 he went to the

00:11:43.500 Army-Navy game

00:11:44.580 and he dazzled there.

00:11:47.020 Let's see if we can

00:11:47.860 roll.

00:11:49.020 Let's see if we have time

00:11:50.120 to roll the ovation.

00:11:51.140 We are at the half

00:11:54.360 of America's game

00:11:55.720 and another great

00:11:56.760 tradition here

00:11:57.660 as President Trump

00:11:59.020 crosses over

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00:12:01.580 ensuring he spends

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00:13:26.020 on the Red Apple Podcast Network.

00:13:30.080 Welcome back

00:13:31.120 to the Roger Stone Show.

00:13:33.040 Paul Sperry,

00:13:33.860 in my opinion,

00:13:34.420 is one of the very best

00:13:35.960 investigative reporters

00:13:37.260 out there today,

00:13:39.000 writes often for the New York Post,

00:13:40.380 in this case,

00:13:41.240 has written a terrific piece

00:13:43.040 for real,

00:13:45.260 clear investigations,

00:13:46.380 I believe it is.

00:13:47.540 But he shows that

00:13:48.960 the Russian collusion story

00:13:50.400 is even worse than we knew,

00:13:52.300 and that the long,

00:13:54.720 the heart of this,

00:13:56.080 this D.O. dossier,

00:13:57.600 and the evidence

00:13:58.700 against Donald Trump

00:13:59.940 was suspect

00:14:00.780 by CIA professionals

00:14:02.920 from the beginning.

00:14:04.120 They knew it had been provided

00:14:05.300 by a former

00:14:06.080 British secret agent.

00:14:07.860 They knew that Hillary Clinton

00:14:10.880 had paid millions for it.

00:14:12.600 They thought,

00:14:13.140 correctly,

00:14:14.080 it was a fabrication.

00:14:16.120 But neither John Bolton

00:14:18.040 nor Gina Haspel

00:14:19.460 nor Secretary of State

00:14:20.560 warned Donald Trump

00:14:22.200 that this was being formed

00:14:24.120 into a false weapon

00:14:26.040 against him.

00:14:27.040 It is really extraordinary

00:14:29.100 the digging here

00:14:31.000 that Paul Sperry has done,

00:14:33.120 but there's no question

00:14:34.500 that the professionals

00:14:37.320 provided the information

00:14:39.120 to their superiors

00:14:40.860 who elected

00:14:42.480 not to show it to Trump.

00:14:44.140 John Bolton

00:14:44.660 very specifically

00:14:45.760 was briefed on it

00:14:46.740 and never mentioned it

00:14:48.060 to the president.

00:14:49.400 Mike Pompeo,

00:14:50.960 who still to this day

00:14:52.140 pretends to be

00:14:52.760 a Trump supporter,

00:14:55.120 had it

00:14:56.040 and chose

00:14:57.160 not to show it

00:14:58.920 to the president.

00:15:00.880 He was shown a draft

00:15:03.000 but took no action.

00:15:04.640 So with friends like this,

00:15:06.400 who needs enemies?

00:15:09.120 One thing that is missing

00:15:10.680 across the country

00:15:11.580 is truly great

00:15:13.160 Cantonese-Chinese food.

00:15:15.660 When I was growing up

00:15:16.600 living in the country

00:15:19.600 outside Norwalk, Connecticut,

00:15:22.280 on Sunday nights,

00:15:23.920 my parents would take

00:15:24.900 roughly the 50-minute drive

00:15:26.740 from our home

00:15:27.840 to go to a restaurant

00:15:28.880 called The Good Earth

00:15:30.500 that was right near

00:15:32.720 the bridge

00:15:33.460 in South Norwalk, Connecticut.

00:15:36.180 It was the finest

00:15:37.540 old-style

00:15:38.780 Cantonese-Chinese food

00:15:40.880 I have ever had.

00:15:42.100 It was run by a man

00:15:43.520 named Winston Dong,

00:15:45.280 so he's very smiling

00:15:46.600 and wearing a suit.

00:15:48.200 It had extraordinary

00:15:49.780 chicken chow mein,

00:15:51.320 extraordinary egg rolls,

00:15:53.960 terrific Chinese 1.00

00:15:55.480 barbecued ribs.

00:15:57.960 You see the difference

00:15:58.720 as the Chinese ribs

00:15:59.560 are not grilled,

00:16:00.800 they're baked,

00:16:01.440 so they're marinated

00:16:03.500 in a sugar-based

00:16:04.440 barbecue sauce

00:16:05.240 and then baked

00:16:06.360 unlike American-style

00:16:09.400 or Texas-style ribs.

00:16:11.620 Great thick egg rolls

00:16:13.140 the size of your wrist.

00:16:14.720 Those don't exist

00:16:16.040 anyplace today.

00:16:17.580 Great pork fried rice,

00:16:19.080 of course,

00:16:19.720 starting the whole thing off

00:16:20.760 with either wonton

00:16:22.000 or egg drop soup.

00:16:24.420 So I was very saddened

00:16:25.520 to hear this week

00:16:26.620 that Christine Lee's,

00:16:28.700 which is a historic restaurant

00:16:31.080 in South Florida,

00:16:33.540 originally in Sunny Isles

00:16:37.460 and then later on

00:16:40.060 located at the Hollywood

00:16:43.300 Racetrack Gulfstream,

00:16:45.840 has suddenly closed.

00:16:48.640 This was a place

00:16:50.040 where celebrities were seen.

00:16:51.660 Christine Lee had survived

00:16:54.340 a violent mugging

00:16:57.160 in a parking lot

00:16:57.920 in New Jersey.

00:16:59.460 She moved to Sunny Islands Beach

00:17:01.420 and her place 0.90

00:17:03.660 was originally

00:17:05.080 inside the Golden Strand Hotel,

00:17:07.340 then moving

00:17:07.820 to the Thunderbird Resort Motel

00:17:10.520 and finally going to

00:17:12.480 an address on Collins Avenue.

00:17:15.080 It was the place to go.

00:17:16.920 We're talking about

00:17:17.580 major celebrities,

00:17:18.500 Bob Hope,

00:17:20.460 Steve and Edie,

00:17:22.180 Muhammad Ali,

00:17:23.320 Zsa Zsa Gabor,

00:17:25.460 Arsa Godfrey,

00:17:26.540 Joe Namath,

00:17:27.680 the jockey,

00:17:28.640 Eddie Arcaro,

00:17:30.360 Dean Martin.

00:17:31.640 All of them

00:17:32.360 can be seen on the walls

00:17:33.480 with Roger Stone

00:17:34.740 as having eaten there,

00:17:37.380 although some of those

00:17:38.760 photographs

00:17:39.440 looked a little faded.

00:17:42.220 It was one of the last

00:17:43.100 great places in the world

00:17:44.200 where you could have

00:17:44.980 shrimp with lobster sauce.

00:17:46.980 You could have it

00:17:47.740 with either light

00:17:48.500 or dark sauce.

00:17:50.360 It was really extraordinary

00:17:52.080 and it is a shame.

00:17:54.660 Ultimately,

00:17:55.700 Christine Lee retired.

00:17:57.680 Her daughter,

00:17:59.160 Mary Lee,

00:18:00.080 took over.

00:18:00.780 Mary Lee was a

00:18:01.540 very gracious hostess,

00:18:02.900 a beautiful Chinese woman

00:18:04.860 who was very much

00:18:08.320 the run,

00:18:11.000 ran the restaurant

00:18:11.760 on most nights.

00:18:14.340 Enormously gracious

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00:20:23.100 The New York Times

00:20:23.980 tells us breathlessly

00:20:25.220 that Secretary of State

00:20:26.380 Marco Rubio

00:20:27.460 in his hardline

00:20:30.140 anti-communist policy

00:20:31.620 on Venezuela

00:20:32.600 dreams of taking down

00:20:34.760 the brutal regime

00:20:36.060 in Cuba.

00:20:38.480 This is why

00:20:40.120 I like Marco Rubio.

00:20:42.760 We'll talk about that later

00:20:44.040 and talk about

00:20:45.700 the problems

00:20:46.880 that Marco Rubio faces

00:20:48.880 not just in Venezuela

00:20:50.820 but also now in Honduras

00:20:52.660 and of course in Cuba.

00:20:54.480 Also the Chinese

00:20:55.320 are on the move

00:20:57.240 in all of the CARICOM,

00:20:58.660 the small Caribbean nations.

00:21:00.980 Chinese money

00:21:02.080 and influence

00:21:02.900 is entering

00:21:04.800 almost all

00:21:05.980 of those countries.

00:21:08.240 That is another issue

00:21:09.560 Marco Rubio has to do.

00:21:10.720 But every once in a while

00:21:11.820 I like to get on

00:21:12.700 somebody who is a thinker,

00:21:14.620 somebody who kind of

00:21:15.780 gets the big picture,

00:21:16.760 understands the treachery

00:21:18.300 of the deep state,

00:21:19.280 understands the mass media

00:21:21.000 and how it moves,

00:21:22.380 understands the courts

00:21:23.480 and how they cheat

00:21:25.120 and that's when I

00:21:26.380 go looking for

00:21:27.480 Rod Martin.

00:21:28.800 You can find him

00:21:29.500 at rodmartin.org.

00:21:32.300 He writes

00:21:32.980 the Rod Martin Report.

00:21:35.440 He is a technological

00:21:36.860 genius,

00:21:37.860 an entrepreneur,

00:21:39.020 a venture capitalist,

00:21:40.080 a conservative,

00:21:41.280 an investor,

00:21:42.320 a futurist,

00:21:43.540 a thinker above all.

00:21:44.940 A thinker.

00:21:45.760 If you don't subscribe

00:21:46.660 to the Rod Martin Report,

00:21:48.200 I highly recommend it

00:21:49.680 to you.

00:21:50.680 Rod,

00:21:51.160 thank you for joining us

00:21:52.160 today on the

00:21:53.300 Roger Stone Show.

00:21:55.520 Great to be here.

00:21:57.960 Rod,

00:21:58.560 I don't know

00:21:59.640 if you've been able

00:22:00.240 to listen to the show,

00:22:01.300 but I was talking

00:22:02.160 about the tyranny

00:22:03.300 of these federal judges,

00:22:05.200 the continued cover-up

00:22:06.400 of the crimes

00:22:07.400 of Comey,

00:22:08.920 Brennan,

00:22:09.880 Rice,

00:22:11.120 Clapper,

00:22:12.280 Biden,

00:22:13.560 Obama,

00:22:14.960 Mueller,

00:22:15.680 Weissman,

00:22:16.700 and others.

00:22:17.780 Now,

00:22:18.560 stunning new story

00:22:19.720 that

00:22:20.200 CIA Director

00:22:23.100 Gina Hasbro,

00:22:24.360 John Durham himself,

00:22:25.560 the Special Counsel,

00:22:26.320 and John Bolton

00:22:26.900 were all told

00:22:27.940 that the underlying

00:22:28.980 Steele dossier,

00:22:30.660 which was used

00:22:31.120 to frame Trump,

00:22:31.960 was not up to,

00:22:33.580 that it had been created,

00:22:34.600 that it had no credibility,

00:22:36.400 but they failed

00:22:36.940 to tell Donald Trump.

00:22:37.920 But you have

00:22:38.740 an amazing piece.

00:22:40.320 I'm not going to lead

00:22:40.840 you into this.

00:22:41.540 It's a deep dive.

00:22:42.560 How the deep state

00:22:43.300 subversed the Constitution,

00:22:44.900 how we beat it.

00:22:46.380 You begin

00:22:47.200 very thoughtfully

00:22:48.380 saying there's no reason

00:22:49.360 so many policies

00:22:50.780 never seem to change

00:22:51.760 no matter who wins

00:22:53.000 an election.

00:22:54.060 Presidents come and go,

00:22:55.040 as you correctly point out.

00:22:56.160 Congress changes hands,

00:22:57.580 yet the machinery

00:22:58.300 of government

00:22:58.860 grinds on untouched,

00:23:00.360 unbothered,

00:23:00.940 largely unaccountable.

00:23:02.440 Federal agents

00:23:03.080 issue thousands

00:23:04.140 of new rules

00:23:04.880 governing everything,

00:23:06.020 including our businesses

00:23:07.100 and our lives.

00:23:09.220 And you say

00:23:10.620 there's a way

00:23:11.420 to fix this.

00:23:12.840 My friend,

00:23:13.420 you have the floor.

00:23:15.860 Ah, well,

00:23:17.060 I have to say

00:23:18.240 there are 537

00:23:19.800 federal elected officials.

00:23:22.740 There are just under

00:23:24.960 5,000 federal

00:23:26.820 political appointees

00:23:28.500 appointed mostly

00:23:30.240 by the president,

00:23:31.460 Senate confirmable

00:23:32.720 for, you know,

00:23:33.800 to a large degree.

00:23:35.400 And there are nearly

00:23:36.700 3 million federal employees

00:23:39.280 actually making

00:23:40.640 and executing policy

00:23:42.080 all day, every day.

00:23:43.240 So, of course,

00:23:45.440 nothing really changes.

00:23:47.240 Those people are careerists.

00:23:49.040 They're there

00:23:49.400 for the long haul.

00:23:50.980 And this is all

00:23:52.000 by design.

00:23:53.120 This began

00:23:53.800 in the Roosevelt

00:23:54.640 administration,

00:23:55.960 Franklin, not Teddy.

00:23:57.880 And for 90 years,

00:24:00.400 we have had

00:24:01.220 the results of that,

00:24:02.660 which are,

00:24:03.380 plain and simple,

00:24:05.280 a shadow

00:24:06.340 one-party government.

00:24:08.300 And that, too,

00:24:09.760 was by design.

00:24:10.740 Roosevelt didn't mind

00:24:12.840 having independent agencies.

00:24:14.660 He thought

00:24:15.020 Humphrey's executor,

00:24:16.400 which was just argued

00:24:17.420 before the Supreme Court

00:24:18.620 on Monday,

00:24:20.080 he thought Humphrey's executor

00:24:21.560 was rightly decided

00:24:22.840 in 1935.

00:24:24.800 Why would he care?

00:24:26.320 Because he was creating

00:24:27.840 all these agencies

00:24:29.000 and he was staffing them

00:24:30.560 entirely with Democrats.

00:24:32.480 And then those people

00:24:33.420 hired their successors.

00:24:35.240 So, we've had

00:24:36.180 this shadow government,

00:24:37.400 this deep state,

00:24:38.540 for most of a century,

00:24:40.560 nearly an entire century,

00:24:42.660 and we're starting

00:24:44.000 to chip away at it.

00:24:45.140 And the only man

00:24:46.520 who has ever

00:24:47.540 meaningfully chipped away

00:24:48.920 at it is,

00:24:49.960 in fact,

00:24:50.700 Donald Trump.

00:24:51.720 So, thank you, Roger,

00:24:53.900 for encouraging him

00:24:54.960 to run for president

00:24:56.040 because he turns out

00:24:57.380 to be one of the most

00:24:58.200 consequential presidents

00:24:59.480 of all time.

00:25:00.820 He's a phenomenon.

00:25:02.520 He's a force of nature.

00:25:03.840 He's his own man.

00:25:05.560 I'm a supporter

00:25:06.680 of Susie Wiles.

00:25:07.660 I have known her

00:25:08.260 for 25 years.

00:25:09.740 She takes some heat

00:25:10.540 from many,

00:25:11.780 sometimes taking the blame

00:25:13.080 for things that

00:25:13.880 are not her fault

00:25:15.060 or that she's not

00:25:15.980 responsible for,

00:25:16.700 other times

00:25:17.360 for assorted jealousies.

00:25:21.680 But I think she does

00:25:22.260 an amazing job

00:25:23.480 for this president.

00:25:24.340 This president trusts her.

00:25:25.680 I've known her

00:25:26.380 for 25 years.

00:25:27.420 She and I did

00:25:27.960 the Reagan campaign

00:25:29.120 together.

00:25:29.860 She worked for

00:25:30.940 Jack Kemp

00:25:31.640 against George H.W. Bush.

00:25:35.040 She worked for Donald Trump

00:25:36.720 rather than working

00:25:38.000 for Jeb Bush

00:25:38.760 or Marco Rubio,

00:25:40.300 both of whom

00:25:40.780 tried to hire her.

00:25:42.220 She very ably

00:25:43.180 guided Rick Scott,

00:25:45.180 an outsider,

00:25:46.280 to the U.S. Senate.

00:25:47.560 She extraordinarily

00:25:48.340 was able to land

00:25:50.140 the Ron DeSantis ship

00:25:52.120 despite the fact

00:25:53.080 that he was

00:25:53.600 a terrible candidate

00:25:54.980 who wouldn't look

00:25:55.740 people in the eyes

00:25:57.020 and would not

00:25:57.640 seek to learn

00:25:58.560 anything about

00:25:59.080 state issues.

00:26:00.400 So how do we

00:26:02.780 take on this model?

00:26:03.760 Because you're right.

00:26:04.240 Harry Truman

00:26:04.860 signs the CIA

00:26:06.180 into law

00:26:07.200 in 19...

00:26:08.240 Pardon me.

00:26:08.760 He dissolves

00:26:09.460 the OSS,

00:26:10.720 the original

00:26:11.380 surveillance system,

00:26:14.280 intelligence system.

00:26:15.760 He does with the OSS

00:26:17.560 and in 1947

00:26:18.340 he signs into law

00:26:20.160 the existence

00:26:20.880 of the CIA.

00:26:22.340 By 1963,

00:26:24.640 actually,

00:26:25.600 1963,

00:26:26.680 when Kennedy

00:26:27.460 is assassinated,

00:26:28.580 he actually writes

00:26:30.000 an op-ed piece

00:26:31.020 for the Washington Post.

00:26:32.260 This is a former

00:26:32.860 president of the United States

00:26:33.880 that says that he

00:26:35.020 now realizes

00:26:35.780 that the agency

00:26:36.680 has gone rogue,

00:26:37.580 essentially,

00:26:38.340 and that he should

00:26:38.860 never have signed

00:26:40.320 into law

00:26:40.980 and that they're

00:26:41.580 violating their

00:26:42.460 international-only

00:26:43.860 charter,

00:26:44.340 meaning they're

00:26:44.720 operating politically

00:26:46.120 as spies

00:26:47.560 to undermine

00:26:49.120 the government

00:26:50.600 in our own

00:26:51.540 country.

00:26:53.820 So that has

00:26:55.800 not been revealed.

00:26:57.860 How do we

00:26:58.520 fix this,

00:26:59.060 Rod?

00:26:59.240 How do we

00:26:59.540 fix it?

00:27:01.120 Well,

00:27:01.880 you've just

00:27:02.860 laid out

00:27:03.820 the key point,

00:27:05.360 which is that

00:27:05.960 it's multifaceted.

00:27:07.980 There are so

00:27:08.740 many different

00:27:09.840 details to it

00:27:11.220 that most

00:27:12.600 people just

00:27:13.660 their eyes

00:27:14.500 glaze over,

00:27:15.700 they just

00:27:16.340 can't keep up

00:27:17.300 with it.

00:27:18.560 Donald Trump

00:27:19.620 is not

00:27:20.320 that guy.

00:27:21.560 He is

00:27:22.280 shockingly

00:27:22.960 capable of

00:27:23.840 seeing all

00:27:24.840 of the pieces

00:27:25.400 on the board.

00:27:26.160 So one

00:27:27.420 of the

00:27:27.680 things that

00:27:28.120 we have

00:27:28.480 to do

00:27:28.780 immediately

00:27:29.340 is the

00:27:30.160 Supreme Court

00:27:30.740 needs to

00:27:31.320 overturn Humphrey's

00:27:32.420 executor,

00:27:33.080 which of

00:27:33.420 course created

00:27:34.180 this abomination,

00:27:35.820 this absolutely

00:27:36.660 unconstitutional

00:27:37.920 monster of

00:27:39.240 independent

00:27:39.820 agencies.

00:27:40.900 There is no

00:27:41.720 such creature

00:27:42.660 in our system.

00:27:44.460 You have an

00:27:44.960 elected legislature,

00:27:46.580 you have an

00:27:47.000 elected executive,

00:27:48.620 you have an

00:27:49.600 appointed

00:27:50.200 judiciary that

00:27:51.740 is confirmed

00:27:52.500 by an elected

00:27:53.380 legislature after

00:27:54.380 being appointed

00:27:54.980 by an elected

00:27:55.660 president.

00:27:56.560 All of these

00:27:57.520 things exist.

00:27:59.760 An independent

00:28:00.480 agency is an

00:28:02.620 attempt to

00:28:03.280 reestablish the

00:28:04.440 kind of aristocracy

00:28:05.660 we had a

00:28:06.320 revolution against.

00:28:07.720 It's just

00:28:08.480 horrifying.

00:28:09.240 And you

00:28:09.500 heard,

00:28:10.240 you heard

00:28:11.760 Justice,

00:28:13.240 Justice Brown

00:28:15.500 sit up there

00:28:16.500 and say at

00:28:17.640 length that

00:28:18.480 she did not

00:28:19.240 think that,

00:28:20.960 that we should

00:28:22.180 have any,

00:28:23.520 any ability

00:28:25.000 through elected

00:28:26.300 office holders

00:28:27.180 to remove

00:28:29.000 PhDs and

00:28:30.440 engineers and

00:28:31.620 experts of

00:28:32.500 various sorts

00:28:33.300 from the

00:28:33.700 government,

00:28:34.160 that they had

00:28:34.700 to be left

00:28:35.360 alone to act.

00:28:37.080 Well,

00:28:37.440 fortunately,

00:28:37.860 I'm pretty sure

00:28:38.700 there are six

00:28:39.300 votes against

00:28:40.020 that position,

00:28:40.920 but she's 0.97

00:28:41.960 saying that

00:28:43.080 there should be

00:28:43.700 an aristocracy

00:28:44.640 created by

00:28:45.940 leftist-controlled

00:28:47.540 institutions like

00:28:48.840 Harvard and

00:28:49.520 Stanford,

00:28:50.020 who meant

00:28:51.340 supposedly

00:28:52.560 expert people,

00:28:54.700 certainly

00:28:55.040 credentialed

00:28:55.860 people,

00:28:56.600 and then they

00:28:57.240 go into

00:28:57.680 government and

00:28:58.560 they rule us

00:28:59.820 for our own

00:29:00.820 good.

00:29:01.600 That's just

00:29:02.880 horrifying.

00:29:03.740 So getting rid

00:29:04.320 of Humphrey's

00:29:04.900 executor is a

00:29:06.160 big step forward.

00:29:07.660 It allows the

00:29:08.300 president to

00:29:08.920 actually hire

00:29:09.800 and fire.

00:29:10.700 That's a very,

00:29:11.780 very big deal.

00:29:12.820 The president

00:29:13.320 can't possibly

00:29:14.400 exercise executive

00:29:15.640 power if he

00:29:16.500 can't hire and

00:29:17.220 fire.

00:29:17.680 And once he

00:29:18.320 can,

00:29:18.760 he's in a

00:29:19.760 position to

00:29:20.740 start reigning

00:29:22.020 in that

00:29:23.120 bureaucracy.

00:29:24.220 So that's

00:29:24.700 one thing.

00:29:25.400 But you're

00:29:25.760 right to

00:29:26.280 point out

00:29:26.740 the surveillance

00:29:27.360 state.

00:29:28.320 This has

00:29:28.800 been just

00:29:29.580 off the

00:29:30.080 chart,

00:29:30.560 and it's

00:29:31.180 multivariate

00:29:32.320 also.

00:29:33.060 We saw

00:29:33.400 that when

00:29:34.040 Elon and

00:29:35.100 the president

00:29:35.860 shut down

00:29:36.560 USAID.

00:29:38.060 The week

00:29:39.600 the USAID

00:29:41.000 shut down, 0.68

00:29:43.480 Politico

00:29:44.200 missed payroll

00:29:45.280 for the only

00:29:46.200 time in its

00:29:47.000 history.

00:29:47.460 that's not

00:29:48.920 an accident.

00:29:50.080 They have

00:29:50.520 been funneling

00:29:51.740 money through

00:29:52.520 these various

00:29:53.320 agencies to

00:29:54.700 influence American

00:29:55.820 politics for a

00:29:56.960 very long time,

00:29:58.060 as you know

00:29:58.680 better than

00:29:59.160 most.

00:30:00.040 And the

00:30:00.280 truth of the

00:30:00.780 matter is,

00:30:01.780 if you train

00:30:02.720 an intelligence

00:30:03.460 apparatus to

00:30:04.580 overthrow

00:30:05.060 governments,

00:30:06.140 you shouldn't

00:30:06.700 be surprised

00:30:07.620 when they come

00:30:08.320 do it at

00:30:08.860 home.

00:30:09.260 there's no

00:30:11.680 question that

00:30:12.540 Dwight Eisenhower

00:30:14.240 was right when

00:30:15.000 he left

00:30:15.340 power.

00:30:15.820 He tried to

00:30:16.260 warn us about

00:30:16.980 the accumulated

00:30:18.220 power of the

00:30:19.520 military-industrial

00:30:20.860 complex, what we

00:30:21.600 would now see

00:30:22.880 as the deep

00:30:23.820 state.

00:30:24.320 This is

00:30:24.660 unelected

00:30:26.680 bureaucrats and

00:30:27.960 academics and

00:30:29.220 others who run

00:30:31.640 our agencies of

00:30:32.740 government, are

00:30:34.140 deeply embedded in

00:30:35.520 the Justice

00:30:36.940 Department, in the

00:30:37.980 Department of

00:30:38.560 War, in the

00:30:39.720 State Department

00:30:40.400 particularly, but

00:30:41.880 in all facets of

00:30:43.260 government, who

00:30:45.000 answer to no one,

00:30:46.860 particularly in our

00:30:48.480 judiciary.

00:30:50.120 And I think these

00:30:51.160 are the people who

00:30:51.820 ultimately, as you

00:30:52.780 know, I believe they

00:30:53.640 orchestrated the

00:30:54.780 assassination of

00:30:55.660 President John F.

00:30:56.580 Kennedy, because he

00:30:57.540 stood in the way of

00:30:58.260 the New World Order

00:30:59.680 and record war

00:31:00.680 profits, and he was

00:31:02.540 actually looking for

00:31:03.780 ways to make peace

00:31:05.080 and not go to war

00:31:06.180 with Russia and

00:31:06.860 Cuba.

00:31:07.140 I believe these

00:31:08.360 are the same

00:31:08.660 people who took

00:31:09.140 Richard Nixon

00:31:09.940 out when he

00:31:11.640 threatened to

00:31:12.180 rein in the

00:31:14.080 power of the

00:31:16.300 national security

00:31:17.320 apparatus.

00:31:18.120 And now, yet

00:31:18.940 again, no one in

00:31:20.320 our current Justice

00:31:21.140 Department, no one

00:31:22.480 in the Republican

00:31:23.140 majority in the

00:31:24.040 Senate, and no one

00:31:25.320 in the House will

00:31:26.840 do anything about

00:31:27.700 it.

00:31:28.160 It is really

00:31:28.800 extraordinary.

00:31:29.960 And if you look

00:31:31.120 at the swiftness in

00:31:31.960 which I was

00:31:32.480 charged, and General

00:31:33.720 Flynn was charged,

00:31:34.920 and Donald Trump

00:31:35.680 was charged, all

00:31:37.260 on fabricated

00:31:38.100 evidence, and on

00:31:39.480 false politically

00:31:40.560 motivated premises,

00:31:42.240 and you see the

00:31:43.320 outrage that's in

00:31:45.340 the declassified

00:31:46.840 documents valiantly

00:31:48.160 released by Tulsi

00:31:49.780 Gabbard, and several

00:31:52.540 traunces of them, you

00:31:53.820 see a very deep

00:31:54.640 conspiracy, and the

00:31:56.300 admission of a

00:31:57.060 coup d'etat.

00:31:57.840 Yet, will any of

00:31:59.260 these people be held

00:32:00.100 accountable?

00:32:00.660 Rod, your view?

00:32:03.460 Well, I understand

00:32:04.520 that Tulsi is needed

00:32:06.960 at DNI, but there

00:32:09.460 are days when I wish

00:32:10.560 she were the 0.65

00:32:11.220 Attorney General,

00:32:12.660 because she clearly 0.85

00:32:14.180 nailed it, and she

00:32:15.420 said it in no

00:32:16.940 uncertain terms, no

00:32:18.820 pulling punches.

00:32:20.200 This was an

00:32:20.900 attempted coup.

00:32:22.760 It was ultimately

00:32:24.060 successful in the

00:32:25.920 course of 2020, but

00:32:27.600 the idea was to

00:32:29.420 force him either to

00:32:30.620 resign or be

00:32:31.640 impeached in the

00:32:32.660 first six months,

00:32:34.100 and they hamstrung

00:32:35.180 his presidency only

00:32:36.740 someone with the

00:32:39.000 tenacity of Donald

00:32:40.120 Trump, and I don't

00:32:41.760 know of any others,

00:32:43.160 could have possibly

00:32:44.340 survived what they

00:32:45.700 did to him in

00:32:46.360 2017 and after.

00:32:48.580 And so, yeah, I

00:32:50.460 don't know why the

00:32:51.640 Justice Department is

00:32:52.780 moving as slowly as

00:32:54.020 it is on some of

00:32:54.880 these cases.

00:32:55.560 I do understand some

00:32:56.780 of the problems

00:32:57.440 they're up against,

00:32:58.320 as we saw in the

00:32:59.160 Eastern District of

00:33:00.020 Virginia.

00:33:00.620 with the two

00:33:02.760 indictments that

00:33:03.800 have been messed

00:33:05.740 with by a liberal

00:33:07.840 Clinton appointee

00:33:09.040 judge, but some

00:33:11.240 of this stuff can

00:33:12.380 be addressed if

00:33:13.900 Kash Patel is

00:33:15.020 successful in

00:33:15.980 bringing this grand

00:33:17.040 conspiracy case

00:33:18.500 against everybody

00:33:20.100 who was involved

00:33:21.280 in that coup

00:33:22.560 attempt.

00:33:23.120 that is really the

00:33:25.500 game changer if they

00:33:27.020 can bring it to a

00:33:28.140 head, because that

00:33:29.220 should be tried in

00:33:30.500 the Southern District

00:33:32.120 of Florida.

00:33:33.440 That gives them

00:33:34.620 venue where they can

00:33:35.720 get a decent judge,

00:33:37.040 they can get an

00:33:38.260 impartial jury, and

00:33:40.300 they can actually

00:33:41.220 breach the statute

00:33:43.220 of limitations wall

00:33:44.740 and get back to some

00:33:46.660 of the worst crimes

00:33:48.280 that took place,

00:33:49.260 especially in

00:33:50.240 2016.

00:33:51.400 All of that is

00:33:52.720 beyond the ability

00:33:54.780 to act upon in

00:33:56.420 Northern Virginia or

00:33:57.800 in the District of

00:33:59.040 Columbia, but this

00:34:01.000 grand conspiracy

00:34:01.980 theory is actually

00:34:03.980 quite impressive.

00:34:05.200 It's a good bit of

00:34:06.380 legal work, and I

00:34:08.400 hope that Kash is able

00:34:09.740 to bring it to fruition.

00:34:10.840 I think it is

00:34:11.860 crucial because there

00:34:12.660 is one continuing

00:34:13.540 conspiracy born in

00:34:14.640 the White House, used

00:34:16.760 to create the Russian

00:34:17.680 collusion hoax, deeply

00:34:20.020 involved in the fraud

00:34:21.040 of the 2020 election,

00:34:22.940 also the author of two

00:34:24.240 phony impeachments,

00:34:25.860 later the architects

00:34:27.060 of the Jack Smith

00:34:29.020 witch hunt, as well

00:34:30.920 as the Mueller

00:34:31.920 witch hunt, an

00:34:33.800 extra-constitutional

00:34:35.140 exercise called Arctic

00:34:36.980 Frost, which we'll talk

00:34:38.060 about when we come

00:34:38.700 back.

00:34:39.520 You're absolutely

00:34:40.280 right.

00:34:40.580 We'll be back with

00:34:42.060 Rod Martin.

00:34:42.680 Get him over at

00:34:43.360 rodmartin.org.

00:34:45.040 He is a thinker and

00:34:46.620 a gentleman and

00:34:47.580 scholar, but above

00:34:49.020 all, he loves

00:34:49.920 justice.

00:34:50.560 We'll be right back.

00:34:54.980 The Stone Zone,

00:34:56.900 entertaining and

00:34:58.180 informative on the

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00:35:02.900 Welcome back to

00:35:04.160 The Roger Stone

00:35:04.880 Show.

00:35:05.180 Later in the show,

00:35:06.280 former Honduran

00:35:07.660 President Juan

00:35:08.720 Orlando Hernandez,

00:35:09.960 viciously framed by

00:35:12.740 the Biden Justice

00:35:13.600 Department, wrongfully

00:35:15.180 convicted as a drug

00:35:16.500 trafficker in a

00:35:17.740 politically motivated

00:35:18.820 and extraordinarily

00:35:20.020 flimsy case,

00:35:22.280 joins us to talk

00:35:23.680 about why he both

00:35:25.740 deserved his pardon

00:35:26.740 and what the forces

00:35:28.680 now of repression are

00:35:30.420 trying to do in

00:35:32.400 Honduras.

00:35:33.760 But, Rod, I want to

00:35:34.680 go to a larger issue.

00:35:35.520 The president said

00:35:36.420 during the campaign

00:35:38.300 that he would end the

00:35:39.280 war between Russia and

00:35:40.280 Ukraine quickly.

00:35:41.420 That has proved elusive.

00:35:43.440 As you know, you have

00:35:44.380 to play three-card

00:35:45.140 Monty here.

00:35:46.160 There's the Russians, 1.00

00:35:46.920 there's Ukraine, and

00:35:48.000 then there's NATO.

00:35:49.400 Break this down for us,

00:35:50.620 please.

00:35:50.880 The biggest problem in

00:35:54.020 coming to a peace

00:35:55.040 deal in Russia is

00:35:56.580 that Putin over

00:35:58.100 promised very badly

00:35:59.940 to his own

00:36:01.140 oligarchs. 0.98

00:36:02.580 And as long as

00:36:04.040 he's still in the

00:36:05.000 war, he has a

00:36:06.100 chance at victory

00:36:07.700 which keeps him

00:36:08.980 moderately safe

00:36:10.480 in the Kremlin.

00:36:11.580 But at some point,

00:36:13.220 he has to admit

00:36:14.220 that he was

00:36:14.840 defeated.

00:36:15.640 And the truth is,

00:36:17.020 he was defeated.

00:36:18.560 There's no

00:36:19.520 escaping.

00:36:20.180 He was trying to

00:36:21.200 take Kev in

00:36:22.160 three days.

00:36:23.400 He was trying to

00:36:24.240 capture the country

00:36:25.180 and bring about

00:36:26.000 regime change to

00:36:27.320 reverse the

00:36:28.580 color revolution

00:36:29.520 in 2014.

00:36:31.120 And all of that

00:36:32.240 has failed.

00:36:33.120 And they haven't

00:36:33.840 been able to

00:36:34.340 meaningfully move

00:36:35.160 the front line

00:36:36.020 all of this year.

00:36:38.100 It's just,

00:36:39.060 it's just an

00:36:40.180 awful war of

00:36:41.520 attrition.

00:36:42.240 It's killing

00:36:43.140 all these people. 0.96

00:36:44.500 But Putin is

00:36:45.840 worried about him 0.55

00:36:47.000 getting killed. 0.62

00:36:47.820 So, Donald Trump 0.98

00:36:49.540 has to craft a

00:36:51.140 deal that is

00:36:52.240 sufficiently

00:36:52.820 attractive to

00:36:53.840 all the parties

00:36:54.680 involved, including

00:36:55.860 the individual

00:36:56.700 parties, to be

00:36:58.220 able to bring

00:36:58.820 this to a

00:36:59.680 successful conclusion.

00:37:00.980 I do believe he

00:37:01.960 will.

00:37:02.560 I believe it's in the

00:37:03.500 interest of both

00:37:04.180 countries to come

00:37:05.180 to a peace.

00:37:06.220 We just have to

00:37:06.980 find the terms that

00:37:07.960 make that possible.

00:37:09.100 And the chief among

00:37:10.220 those has to be

00:37:12.020 meaningful security

00:37:13.520 guarantees for

00:37:14.480 Ukraine, short of

00:37:16.520 allowing it into

00:37:17.460 NATO, because from 1.00

00:37:18.680 the Russian

00:37:19.120 perspective, if it's

00:37:20.600 a member of NATO

00:37:21.480 that effectively

00:37:22.700 puts a German 0.97

00:37:23.580 army in Kharkov,

00:37:25.040 two days march

00:37:26.020 from Red Square,

00:37:27.400 that reverses the

00:37:28.560 outcome of World

00:37:29.300 War II, they will 1.00

00:37:30.480 never accept it.

00:37:31.800 Yes, and it would

00:37:32.440 be a violation of

00:37:33.520 the Budapest

00:37:34.220 memorandum, which

00:37:35.280 was signed on

00:37:36.440 behalf of the

00:37:36.920 United States by

00:37:37.720 Secretary of State

00:37:38.540 James A. Baker,

00:37:39.860 signing for George

00:37:40.600 H.W. Bush, and

00:37:41.620 the later Minsk

00:37:42.980 Accords, both of

00:37:44.020 which we agreed

00:37:44.740 not to push

00:37:45.800 Ukraine into NATO,

00:37:47.020 which of course is

00:37:47.640 what Joe Biden

00:37:48.700 has ultimately

00:37:49.560 done.

00:37:49.980 That has long

00:37:51.040 been of the

00:37:53.220 plan.

00:37:54.680 That said, time

00:37:57.140 is running out

00:37:57.760 for Zelensky, a

00:37:59.400 $100 million

00:38:00.020 scandal by one

00:38:01.640 of his closest

00:38:02.280 aides.

00:38:02.820 We both know

00:38:03.260 this scratches

00:38:04.140 the surface and

00:38:05.060 the enormous

00:38:06.500 grifting that's

00:38:07.300 going on with

00:38:08.820 federal funds.

00:38:09.680 Much of those

00:38:10.120 funds do return

00:38:12.240 to the United

00:38:12.620 States and go

00:38:13.240 into the hands

00:38:13.760 of the defense

00:38:14.780 contractors, for

00:38:15.640 whom war is

00:38:16.460 good, creating

00:38:18.060 some jobs

00:38:18.700 here, but a

00:38:19.200 lot of money

00:38:20.120 here for people

00:38:20.880 who sell bombs.

00:38:22.800 But if you

00:38:23.540 believe Elon

00:38:24.120 Musk, Congressman

00:38:25.640 Jim Birch, some

00:38:26.540 of those funds

00:38:27.000 have also made

00:38:27.740 their way back

00:38:28.340 into the pockets

00:38:29.540 of political

00:38:30.640 leaders in the

00:38:31.620 Congress who

00:38:32.500 have supported

00:38:33.180 these multi-million

00:38:34.900 dollar gambits.

00:38:37.300 Do you think,

00:38:38.040 Rod, that that's

00:38:38.680 that the, we

00:38:40.780 haven't seen

00:38:41.180 documentation of

00:38:41.820 that.

00:38:42.120 Do you think

00:38:42.560 that that is a

00:38:43.120 possibility?

00:38:44.760 I think it's a

00:38:45.900 very strong

00:38:46.620 possibility.

00:38:47.780 There's no good

00:38:48.600 excuse for

00:38:49.300 Hunter Biden to

00:38:50.100 be on the

00:38:50.540 board of

00:38:50.920 Burisma. 0.97

00:38:52.000 That's nonsense.

00:38:54.240 Absolutely no

00:38:55.240 qualifications for

00:38:56.380 that.

00:38:56.980 Why would you go

00:38:57.720 to another

00:38:58.420 country across

00:38:59.460 an ocean to

00:39:00.780 pick a guy who,

00:39:01.940 oh, just happens

00:39:02.800 to be the son of

00:39:03.840 the guy you

00:39:04.620 think might be

00:39:05.300 president someday?

00:39:06.240 and, you know,

00:39:08.120 we've got countless

00:39:09.180 examples like that

00:39:10.900 in American political

00:39:12.200 life, principally on

00:39:13.640 the left, but some

00:39:14.640 of our rhinos too,

00:39:16.340 where the children

00:39:17.360 have some lucrative

00:39:19.260 financial deal,

00:39:20.580 either with the

00:39:21.200 Ukrainians or with 0.51

00:39:23.160 the Chinese

00:39:24.120 communists, and

00:39:26.140 Peter Schweitzer has

00:39:27.520 done a great job of

00:39:29.020 lining that out in

00:39:30.500 one or two of his

00:39:31.680 books.

00:39:32.300 He'd be a good

00:39:33.060 interview too.

00:39:33.880 But this is just a

00:39:36.020 real problem we're

00:39:37.100 facing, and I think

00:39:38.060 it's part of what

00:39:38.780 you're going to see

00:39:39.580 when you talk to

00:39:40.660 Juan Orlando, because

00:39:42.020 the truth is the

00:39:43.380 Democrats are in bed

00:39:44.540 with the cartels too.

00:39:46.900 It is a massive

00:39:48.240 problem we're going

00:39:49.000 to talk about when

00:39:49.700 we get back.

00:39:50.640 Folks, Rod Martin,

00:39:52.420 entrepreneur, thinker,

00:39:53.720 conservative,

00:39:54.680 gentleman, an

00:39:56.340 expert on technology,

00:39:57.740 biotech, aerospace,

00:39:58.880 energy.

00:39:59.600 Go to

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00:40:02.000 subscribe now.

00:40:03.880 We'll be right

00:40:04.320 back.

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